assassination

[cunning frost]

so what if i dont have old 2p?

[vagrant tapir]

Actually in reality why im waiting is I havent gotten an actual token yet

[balmy condor]

Amirdrassil 2 piece is bonkers strong

[vagrant tapir]

So I don't know which omnis to take yet

to not end up bricking myself

[balmy condor]

Get season 1 gear from the dream flight or time rift stuff and catalyze it

[cunning frost]

okay

ty

[balmy condor]

You always want to wear 2 bonuses

[vagrant tapir]

it's so easy to get 450 abberus tier

[balmy condor]

Preferring the amirdrassil bonuses always

[vagrant tapir]

im just i get a tier piece in vault and then Ill swap to 4pc

[blazing roost]

hi, is there any spreadsheet that says what can we cloak/vanish?

[balmy condor]

No

[blazing roost]

will there ever be one? 😳

[vagrant tapir]

as soon as you make it there will be

[balmy condor]

There was at one point and no one contributed to it so it ended up being a 2 man job to test every mechanic in the game

And obviously there’s issues with that

So then those people quit

And someone else tried to do it

And then realized that it was fucking dumb

And then quit

[blazing roost]

yep, understandable. thanks

[balmy condor]

And then we got rid of the whole thing

[cunning frost]

sounds reasonable

[blazing jewel]

We need a psychopath to do it again

For all 5 people that push keys

[balmy condor]

It’s just 95% of the time you just learn what to cloak by doing

So the sheet ends up being redundant

[subtle tundra]

the 5 people who push keys find out by themselves anyways

[minor timber]

anyone have a video displaying branch yet?

[balmy condor]

A video displaying branch?

[minor timber]

the minigame

[balmy condor]

It spawns 3 orbs around you

[sharp viper]

pick up 2 and kite one orb

[balmy condor]

Idk what there is to display

[minor timber]

yea i just wanted to see the visual

[sharp viper]

not the most complicated thing

[minor timber]

bc people said it was frusturating

[balmy condor]

You ever run everbloom?

[minor timber]

mhm

[balmy condor]

First boss has those water orbs going towards him

On intermission

Imagine that but much smaller

[sharp viper]

you mean pew pew burst phase

[minor timber]

they spawn within melee?

or random

[balmy condor]

They’re like a triangle around you

Couple yards out

[minor timber]

ah

its consistent

tyvm

i was just ensuring farming the trinket was worth it

[balmy condor]

It’s much stronger than anything else

Even playing it poorly is still ahead of the next best by a good bit

[minor timber]

yea i wasnt going to actively farm it if the minigame was horrid

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor think mydas might be decent on smolderon?

[balmy condor]

Probably not for assa

[minor timber]

yea i simmed for myself as well xd the numbers are insane

just wanted an excuse to not run 20 ebs to be honest

but its not a hard key so whatever

[cunning frost]

feels bad

[balmy condor]

Everbloom is banger dungeon

[faint path]

Infernal bleeding is just amaazzzziiiiiingggggggggg

did 10 everbloom still no trinket

[balmy condor]

Internal bleeding

3% talent

[faint path]

amaaaaaziiiiiiiinggggggggg

[balmy condor]

I’m glad you’re excited I guess

Weird thing to get excited over but ya know to each their own

[sharp viper]

just get lucky in the vault

[fathom drum]

are people playing AP more than DTB on keys rn?

[shy axle]

i asked yesterday but cannot find it anymore. Why does wowhead list another gar inside your KB/SD for nightstalker in the opener, IV mentiones only to do it during your 3 sec kingsbane vanish? oversight or any reason for it?

[balmy condor]

Cause you gar during the dance and then again during the vanish

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor will there be spatter/IB roles maybe?

[balmy condor]

????? No

[sharp viper]

cause spatter is far superior

filthy IB plebians

[sour thunder]

Does it make sense if I macro Ambust and Mutiliate so if Ambust is not available it will use Muti and if available it will use Ambush?

[faint path]

I think I didnt played well on caustic so It didnt work for me 😄 my caustic was %4 Im still trying to train my assas 😄 but that infernal bleeding is %8 l

[minor timber]

mhm

[balmy condor]

8% internal bleeding sounds like bad rotation or doing like a +4

There’s no reason why it should be that high

[faint path]

I was just spamming rupture to see hows it in 16 everbloom :p

[vagrant tapir]

during the opener, or the points in the rotation where we dance/vanish - are you overwriting your non imp garrote with stealth garrote regardless of the current time on garrote?

[surreal halo]

Do you generally macro Dance and Kinsbane together?

[marble hemlock]

cause im an idiot and forgot to put that gar during dance in there

[tranquil flame]

Does anyone has a caustic spatter weak aura they could share ?

[fallen forge]

is there a spreadsheet i can show my raid lead

[balmy condor]

God I fucking wish there wasn’t

[fallen forge]

i got scuffed on tier tokens this week bc he has something that says its a 0.5% dps increase

idk where he found it

[balmy condor]

He found it using a dogshit spreadsheet

[fallen forge]

sadge

[balmy condor]

We love spreadsheets

[fallen forge]

im not brave enough to tell him its wrong

[balmy condor]

Such good

Very data

[fallen forge]

catalyst best friend now

[balmy condor]

Just go gear compare and replace your tier pieces with new tier pieces

Nope

Not entertaining that

[vagrant tapir]

wat

[balmy condor]

Sheet can go fuck itself

Banned

[vagrant tapir]

Are you saying it's incorrect?

like the values are wrong?

[balmy condor]

It’s been incorrect in the past

[vagrant tapir]

[balmy condor]

Ptr cycle has fueled me with a burning hatred for community spreadsheets

[strange python]

You'd have to sim yourself to get correct vaules

[balmy condor]

So

When I’m here

Sheet is banned

[fallen forge]

why didnt i think of simming myself

[flint tusk]

Damn guess no more toilet paper for us

[balmy condor]

Having to fight misinformation cause someone completely unrelated to any theorycrafting on the spec just decides to vomit numbers into an excel sheet

[vagrant tapir]

I have no opinion in any direction - it's just the sheet being referenced and linked in every space I can see

[balmy condor]

Is not how I wanted to spend my ptr cycle

And yet that’s what I’ve had to do

[flint tusk]

That’s because people are lazy and when someone put in the effort they can spread bullshit like wild fire

[vagrant tapir]

Again, I have no opinion

he asked a question specifically referencing that sheet

[balmy condor]

My opinion is very insanely strong

[vagrant tapir]

[balmy condor]

Want nothing to do with that dogshit

[upper spear]

help me god... god a mirror of factured tomorrows and it sems higher

when do i use

[balmy condor]

With dm like anything else

[vagrant tapir]

during the opener, or the points in the rotation where we dance/vanish - are you overwriting your non imp garrote with stealth garrote regardless of the current time on garrote?

[upper spear]

so i hold for 2nd DM

or

3rd

rather

[balmy condor]

Well casting it when it comes up wouldnt be with dm now would it

[static glacier]

you realise this misinformation is what guilds are using

[balmy condor]

Yep and it’s infuriating

[static glacier]

since esteemed tcs such as yourself aren't releasing* anything as compiled and easy to digest

[delicate trench]

im using double on use bark and fractured time thats okay right ?

[true rapids]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[static glacier]

to get the same info as the sheet but accurately you need to spend like 15-20 mins on each spec discord digging through pins / searching sims

[balmy condor]

Correct, and when I did that for Assassination specific numbers people just turned around and took those numbers to compare to other specs. Sims were never meant to compare specs to each other

[shy axle]

if you play aertical precision, do you still only double shiv for your kingsbane every minute?

[balmy condor]

That was never the goal of sims

And yet you have people now just ripped giant charts with sim stacks

[vagrant tapir]

it's probably the thing simulations are worst at displaying

[tall jay]

I like sheets just for gearing purposes lol at least a gland at them. My gulls isn’t pushing CE just heroic, play what we want lol

[balmy condor]

And going “this spec 2% higher, spec good”

Because they’re idiots

[vagrant tapir]

because each classes sim is like a platos cave of that class

[static glacier]

thing is people want answers to questions like who gets 4pc, who gets pi

etc

and making each individual sim pi / wft / tier is effort

that people don't want to go through

[vagrant tapir]

I wish I had a simulation that would tell me which stocks to pick

but no matter how badly I want it, raidbots just wont tell me that either

[dapper fractal]

Lmao

[crisp pine]

I feel like the strength of a spec should be determined by the tcs winning in mortal combat against each other

[dapper fractal]

That chat is bis

[strange python]

It's not even about the effort - the sims aren't really comparable like that cross-class or even cross-spec a lot of the time.

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet already supports windfury and pi, with established, public sim profiles, submitted by theorycrafters officially

[subtle tundra]

i wish whispyr were omnipotent

[solemn hill]

is there any way to sim with custom stats ?

[flint tusk]

I mean those do actually exist.
But good luck getting hold of them

[balmy condor]

Tier bonuses are very difficult to compare just by nature of item level, trinkets, talent swaps

It’s not possible to completely accurately evaluate that

[vagrant tapir]

Simulationcraft however, does not have this feature

[balmy condor]

And that’s why you don’t see it supported on things like bloodmallet

Because like

That’s dumb

But the community decided “give me the dumb thing I don’t care”

And so here we are

[velvet ridge]

Idk if this was answered, but I have it so my caustic target is green name plate, so I can quickly find it again, since there is only ever one. No other WA

[balmy condor]

Guilds blindly following sheets like that are literally falling into the pitfalls that “esteemed theorycrafters” as you put it warned the community for years not to fall into

That’s their fucking problem

I’m not strong enough to convince thousands of guilds to stop using info

[flint tusk]

Honestly due to how shit tier is to sim my guild kind of does a tiered free roll
Anyone with 3set>1set>0set>2set>4set.
It’s not perfect by any means. But it keeps people gearing and no one moans so that’s a win.

[balmy condor]

No one is

The tide just rolled over and decided this is what people want and this is what they do

And theorycrafters are powerless to that tide

[subtle tundra]

honestly. remove master looter and this wouldnt be a problem

[balmy condor]

We just sit here and scream into the void that it’s stupid

And hope anyone’s listening

But usually it’s either not loud enough

Or they don’t wanna hear it

[spice surge]

(they arent)

[vagrant tapir]

^

[idle gorge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

^?

I answered that

[vagrant tapir]

Did you?

[blazing jewel]

Head empty no listening no thoughts

[sour thunder]

I have no combat Stealth, Combat vanish macro but somehow it casts Vanish out of combat. Any idea why?

[strange python]

Can you put your macro in here?

[sour thunder]

#showtooltip Vanish
/cast [nocombat] Stealth
/cast [combat] Vanish
/cast [combat] Thistle Tea

[strange python]

uh that should work

you're probably in combat, but don't notice

[sour thunder]

it literally casted Vanish after stealth when I pressed again

[strange python]

then you were in combat

[sour thunder]

if Im in combat then how come I can cast stealth?

[strange python]

or it's on your main bar - and the one that comes up on your stealth bar isn't the macro but the actual spell

[vagrant tapir]

can't seem to find it

[velvet ridge]

Me neither

[balmy condor]

Oh

[strange python]

Try this one

[balmy condor]

Some other blue name

[strange python]

/cast [combat,nostealth] Vanish
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth
/stopattack```

[balmy condor]

Asked the same question

[vagrant tapir]

Ahhhh

[balmy condor]

And I confused you two

[vagrant tapir]

That makes more sense

[frank tangle]

do rogues still have aoe shiv?

[strange python]

Then to get out of stealth just like FOK or something

[vagrant tapir]

https://i.imgur.com/LTodJne.png

[balmy condor]

Anyway, you always overwrite the garrote regardless of the garrote

[vagrant tapir]

Gotcha

[velvet ridge]

Scary, cause I spam stealth, some times you only have a couple frames to get it off

[frank tangle]

ty

[chrome jetty]

Hey, do you guys think it is worth to use first spark to upgrade Thorns Boots?

[sour thunder]

I will try when vanish is up again. Could it be that I have target selected so game thinks Im in combat?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[strange python]

no - something else is going on, i dont know what.

Is it on your stealth bar though?

like your main bar that swaps

[oak tangle]

list everything obfuscated by only showing as percentages

[sour thunder]

OMG

[vagrant tapir]

xD

another mystery solved

[sour thunder]

Yeah my macro was not on bar with stealth bar my bad

hahahhaha I feel stupid now 😄

[strange python]

😄

[balmy condor]

That would mean I can’t actually post any links to sims, and would have to do extra work to make sure I’m hiding numbers, and then get called a sandbagger for the 70 thousandth time

[strange python]

nah man happens to all of us, that's how i knew

[sour thunder]

Works perfectly, thanks!

[balmy condor]

Extra work with no proof and less clarity for more abuse sounds like a bad deal

[crisp pine]

I just learned what being a sandbagger means
The Rogue Discord really is a place of learning

[oak tangle]

my other suggestions is have your spreadsheet command link to top gear

[balmy condor]

Yeah just like the pins and the faq link directly to guides and those get read all the time right

[lone lantern]

hola holaa

[tepid idol]

Does Nick of Time sim correctly? Right now on my gear it just sims 0.1% better then another regular dagger same ilvl

[velvet ridge]

Oh those are links, I thought those were place holder titles

[lone lantern]

quick question, we apply a new garrote everytime we use vanish or dance right?

[balmy condor]

Sounds like you forgot to enchant it

[tepid idol]

no

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tepid idol]

is

[oak tangle]

bait their click and maybe 1% sim themselves

[lone lantern]

thankss

[vagrant tapir]

damn look at that ask frequency

[balmy condor]

All of those combos are using the nick of time

[balmy condor]

You people all look the same

[vagrant tapir]

[balmy condor]

All blue names

You notice it?

[flint tusk]

So what colour are the voices in your head?

[velvet ridge]

Dam subs

[distant helm]

im on my 27th run for this dagger how is this even possible, ive lost the 1/6 14 times

[oak tangle]

that's you admins fault for making sub colour higher prio

[distant helm]

is loot spec bugged?

[balmy condor]

If I say “the bad ones” is that cancellable

[oak tangle]

im og sin

[bleak ivy]

they identify as gray

[strange python]

You can get both rolls but remain red

[oak tangle]

how do

[velvet ridge]

I think in twitch chat

[strange python]

I dunno, i did it somehow

[flint tusk]

Not at all. You’re the captain here

[vagrant tapir]

I'd have a different color if I didnt stop hanging out in ravenholdt after I stopped playing rogue/got swept up in the WEWLADS apocalypse

[flint tusk]

Also i made the transformation

Sub it no more

[vagrant tapir]

ancient historical reference

[flint tusk]

Assa too fun

[balmy condor]

Oh god I just got nam flashbacks that’s some forbidden lore

[strange python]

I think sub is pretty fun though too

[oak tangle]

you only have sin role, you did the dark brew emote thing, but not sub channel

[flint tusk]

More like morally gray.

[vagrant tapir]

I know right?

[velvet ridge]

Your not sub, you got the subclass, like KB, Sbs

[vagrant tapir]

Ancient incantation

[strange python]

oh that one doesn't count ? I didn't know that.

[vagrant tapir]

I know the dark arts

[tepid idol]

fml haha, need to sober up. thanks

[balmy condor]

I need sleep how is it 3;30am again

Time is a toxic concept

[vagrant tapir]

God theres a name on the absolute tippiest of my tongue and I just cannot grasp it

[balmy condor]

Created by dumb scientists

[flint tusk]

You’ll get on top of it at some point in the future. Not near future but future

[oak tangle]

just run west very fast, time won't move, then it'll just randomly be the next day

[bleak ivy]

1PM here EU diff

[crisp pine]

I just looked up "wewlads" and am more confused than before

[vagrant tapir]

I have a high degree of confidence that any search results yielded by that term will not point to what I'm referencing

[queen rain]

Hey, I'm pretty new. I'm not sure I understand wat item we craft. Do we always just craft the boots or do I craft something else since I didn't play last patch?

[vagrant tapir]

surely the internet has cleansed any record of things that stupid

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/around-the-world-not3s-highest-walking-around-the-world-exploring-the-world-gif-18143729

[crisp pine]

I found an 8 Hour WoW Stream on Youtube

[vagrant tapir]

let him cook

[bleak ivy]

heretic

[strange python]

the measure of time passing - seems kind of pivotal to so many things. How fast athletes run, how long it takes to do something, how long someone can expect to wait for something, how long it takes to get somewhere.

[balmy condor]

Do not rehash wewlads in here pls

We let that die

[strange python]

Kind of like how everything sin revolves around Kingsbane - the world seems to revolve around time.

[balmy condor]

We’ve had to mute for it a couple months ago

And it ain’t it

I don’t wanna do it again

[oak tangle]

does someone who has faster reaction time, react faster? or experience time slower?

[strange python]

the first

[vagrant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/voldemor-harrypotter-mechant-sorcier-magie-noir-gif-12511017

[balmy condor]

I’m too alcoholized for this

[slim hedge]

Relative to the Kb

[vagrant tapir]

That which shall not be named

[crisp pine]

okay but look
What if an athlete raced against a turtle
but the turtle got a head start
Then the athlete needs time to catch up
but in that time the turtle got another, smaller lead on the athlete
So he needs to catch up to that
and so on and so forth
which means the athlete actually can't ever beat the turtle

[balmy condor]

There’s a thing for that

Greek thing

Dude does half of the remaining distance in a race every second

And never finished the race

[crisp pine]

Yea it's one of Zeno's paradoxes

[balmy condor]

Ye that one

[vagrant tapir]

Yeah, 2 objects approaching each other never actually touch

etc

[strange python]

yeah ... what like eventually he'd be just going like .000001 cm a sec or something?

[oak tangle]

infinite sums are cooked

[upper spear]

find religion or a bed

[vagrant tapir]

the conflict that arises when applying philosophical logic to the physical world

[mossy canopy]

whispyr why you suggesting crit on rings in the wowhead guide

[strange python]

i mean that's just pure math though honestly

[mossy canopy]

i'm kinda stacking mast

[velvet ridge]

That's approaching Infinity, that's why things =1

[vagrant tapir]

The infinity hotel with infinite rooms that can't satisfy an infinite number of inifinite guests - that concept pops up in a few places

[oak tangle]

(1/2)^n where n-> inf
so i don't think it'll meet that speed

[balmy condor]

Religion for millennia has existed as a an easy way to prey on the poor, uneducated, and the weak

[vagrant tapir]

^

[balmy condor]

I ain’t afraid to say it

[crisp pine]

That's so me fr fr

[upper spear]

nobody is

common knowledge

[dark token]

Bit of an edgy pessimistic view

[vagrant tapir]

Magic not being real is a very important fundamental constant for living as a critically thinking adult

[dark token]

It's also comfort for a lot of people

[oak tangle]

any such significantly advanced technology to the common man is indistinguishable from magic

[vagrant tapir]

Right, but that - nope not doing this my therapist said I have to not do this

[balmy condor]

“Give me 15 shillings and I’ll cleanse you of your sins before you die of the plague, dw though gods watching over you” - 16th century priest probably

[upper spear]

i like the one about the Ark

very poggers

[vagrant tapir]

If there was ever an indicator that it was time for me to go to bed

This is it

[velvet ridge]

Cleanse me of sin? But I main sin

[near valley]

Tbf they used to sell peeps tickets to heaven

[oak tangle]

something something not for profit, something something no tax, something something wages..

[balmy condor]

Okay

That one was a bit far

Gotta tone it back

[mossy canopy]

soz

[vagrant tapir]

But yeah ||no recorded ancient prescription for the genesis of the universe and life has ever been correct|| OK GOODNIGHT

[near valley]

Why is Sin suddenly having theological discussions?

[balmy condor]

Yalnu in everbloom casts genesis though

[blazing jewel]

[near valley]

Is this what winning looks like?

You have spare time to not doom

[blazing jewel]

Yanlu in everbloom is tremendously thick

[vagrant tapir]

and it is ancient...

[oak tangle]

sin only suddenly had theological discussions?

[crisp pine]

Religion has been cooking tho
Like Anselms ontological argument just states that god is a perfect being, therefore god must exist

[mossy canopy]

murder makes one reflect eventually

[near valley]

Idk bro I don't engage with you heathens a lot tbf

[mossy canopy]

crit or mast on rings these days

i am torn

[fallen forge]

sin has all sorts of discussions

[balmy condor]

It’s either this or “read guide” for the 700th time an hour idk

[fallen forge]

its great

[oak tangle]

this is just offtopic 2.0 - doom or theology, we gotta do something while we pooling

[near valley]

Hmm?

[balmy condor]

Gotta break up the monotony

[near valley]

That's fair enough

[mossy canopy]

we are theological assassins

[oak tangle]

if we get people question about god, then that's less people questioning about whether kb or vanish first is better

[lone lantern]

too much free time to reflect on philosophy between bursts

[balmy condor]

[mossy canopy]

ponder meta ethics whilst pooling

[balmy condor]

Enrich yourself spiritually while pondering energy

[oak tangle]

"when should i do x or y" answer: "what would jesus do?"

[balmy condor]

His name is James

[lone lantern]

lol

[balmy condor]

And he’s farming darkheart thicket for a C tier trinket

Or so I’m told

By people who definitely know

[blazing jewel]

Pooling in the dungeon build

[balmy condor]

(Twitch chat idiots)

[lone lantern]

we shall do the same then

[blazing jewel]

More dungeons

Back to the mines

[oak tangle]

remember, occasioanlly you must not rupture for secret techniques

[balmy condor]

Tempted to take vicious venom on the utilitarian build in keys and CT in single target just to see how slow it can go

[blazing jewel]

I think I took whatever one you had on your wowhead guide

The no AP one

[balmy condor]

Hybrid

[blazing jewel]

Every time I drop envenom and don’t have multiple ruptures out is real funny

Hands off keyboard and pet mochi for 10s or something

[balmy condor]

Very based spec

[lone lantern]

my secret technique might actually end up rupturing something

[blazing jewel]

The prio damage is so good

[shy axle]

do i understand it correctly to spread rupture as well to every target that lives long enough before using env (outside of kb) but prio env over rup during kb?

[balmy condor]

You want to rupture until you’re permacapped on energy and you have your scent stacks maxed

After that safe to ignore the ruptures for a while

[glacial grotto]

I've been playing the blindside build because the other one had negative energy on bosses

[vagrant obsidian]

someone knows how to do counter on garrote, like on rupture?

[oak tangle]

copy the weak aura and replace all rupture triggers with garrote?

[shy axle]

thank you, that means 5 to max scent? is that enough for energy?

[balmy condor]

With a coupe of garrotes yea

[vivid kiln]

is rupture and garrote smart targetting affected?

[strange python]

I think i'm gonna get the pvp crit/on-use trinket today

[slim hedge]

Incentives to garrote with that silence and DR is big

[sharp elk]

anyone have a weak aura that tells you to use thistle tea when 6 seconds remain on kingsbane?

[upper spear]

look at Whispyrs YT video on it

i like the WA he shares

[oak tangle]

i should probably ask in sub channel, but does the rupture smart target apply to their stuff?

[strange python]

The best is just a progress-bar timer for Kingsbane with tick marks

[slim hedge]

I don't believe so

[glacial grotto]

Just add sound conditions to you kb weakaura at 3 and 6 seconds ezpz

[oak tangle]

probs tied to IC

[velvet ridge]

Notters glows I think

[sharp elk]

ok ty

[velvet ridge]

The kb high score one

[strange python]

it's smart @oak tangle

the rupture - goes to a target that doesn't have it

and if they all have it - it refreshes it on the lowest-duration-remaining one

[vivid kiln]

ah ok thanks

[strange python]

That was to the sub question - but applies to yours as well i think (except +1)

[sharp elk]

thanks for the perfect kingsbane weak aura whyspyr

actually probably thanks to the person that made it

[royal lantern]

somebody know if you can pick up fyraak seeds and use cloak against mechanics

or does that count as "got hit by it"

[haughty flicker]

i saw someone ask that earlier and i dont think they got an answer

would be good to know for sure

[neat plank]

man.. sometimes in keys I do great dps on bosses and sometimes I look at the meters and I'm like "WHAT? where's my damage????"

why dude? :p did I fail on Kingsbane? let my envenom fall off?

[unique sorrel]

Most of the time it’s usually fucking kingsbane combo up

At least for me

[neat plank]

mhm mhm

[unique sorrel]

I cast shiv in the wackiest spots and it’s not consistent

Small brain moment every time

[neat plank]

same 😛

[distant helm]

https://gyazo.com/9bc6ea6fe2425093d8209ea529752f33

28 runs bois

it exists

[nimble estuary]

just in the nick of time

[dark token]

branch/necks dont exist

57 keys no neck

[distant helm]

still missing neck and branch too

i spent the last 2 days in gala

[onyx rain]

the non arterial precision build in keys feels better to me than using it

[royal lantern]

litearlly 0 of the m+ pieces

i hate m+ so much

[haughty flicker]

That was me last season lmao

I got super lucky on branch though so even though literally nothing else has dropped for me I still can’t complain much

[dapper fractal]

i can make that tier?

[haughty flicker]

I would like if Nicholas would stop avoiding me though

[dapper fractal]

after upgrading?

[haughty flicker]

I’m pretty sure dreamsurge items turn into s2 gear still

[fallen forge]

which neck

[dapper fractal]

o cool

[distant helm]

any neck realy

[strange python]

oh dang i just remembered i have 6/8'ths of a Papa Johns pizza in the fridge

[distant helm]

i think dht drops the best one?

[worthy ruin]

okay, forget tuning and all, from a fun perspective, u think assa rota is fun in m+ ?

[strange python]

yeah i think it's fun

sin has always been "fun" in m+ though (to me)

[haughty flicker]

It’s fun until my kingsbane target dies early

[strange python]

He's saying like - delete your dmg meter

did you have fun playing it

[sharp elk]

yeah im not the biggest fan of it being tied to one target

[royal lantern]

aka always?

[haughty flicker]

Yup

Press kb

Mob gets two globalled by the havoc

Gg be better ig

[strange python]

lol i think other classes have a weakaura or plater profile - to focus down any target that gets KB applied to it.

[haughty flicker]

Actually that’s a fantastic idea

Might need to do that on my alt keys with guild

[strange python]

I mean yeah if their goal is to do better on the meters by hurting the group

cause that's a lot of spatter lost too ya know

just do what stealthi does - bring an aug and a spriest

[haughty flicker]

True neither of them are doing any damage

Then you go into waycrest and goliath uses thorns on you

[strange python]

i hate that place

[slim hamlet]

I don't believe it, surely photoshop

[royal lantern]

aug

is so much bait rn

they all suck

more then they allready did before

[slim hamlet]

It's actually crazy

[royal lantern]

legit all worldquest level players that got 9k r.io last season cus aug was even more op then it is rn

[slim hamlet]

like the average iq of augvokers went down by 50% with patch release

[royal lantern]

now its SLIGHTLY nerfed and they all suck so hard

trashpack at 15%health?

BREATH OF EONS

[slim hamlet]

With no cds going

[meager iron]

!guide

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[shy axle]

do you still only use both shiv charges for the kingsbane window during aoe with the AP Build?

[blazing jewel]

Kill all trash mobs

[keen spruce]

okay so yknow how i said fall was probably the easiest dungeon

I withdraw that statement

large iridkron and large goo dragons

[earnest remnant]

yeah u stupid

dawn is the overtuned one

rest is fine

[slim hamlet]

AD easily easiest one

[dark token]

^^

we +4 AD

[fierce quiver]

Yo, quick q, I main outlaw, but I'm curious wether Sin really does more in ST rather then outlaw

[keen spruce]

ur a hooker

[fierce quiver]

?

for raid, of course.

[earnest remnant]

am not, i dont take money for sleeping with yo mom

i do it for free

[spice surge]

The beyblades in black rook blows with sanguine

But its not hard

[keen spruce]

blackrook timer very free

[dark token]

not really

pugs fuck up brh way more

than atal

brh gauntlet + beyblades sucks

[keen spruce]

yeah but the timer is free

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[keen spruce]

it's like the new NL

just pull one pack at a time

feel like you're going too slow

finish with 6 minutes left

[silver verge]

are theyre any break pt with sin? outlaw rn and I have zero haste hahah trying to get some better stats before switching? whats are your guys thoughts on when to switch stats wise so it doesnt feel awful

[void lava]

is it worth breaking old 4 set for 30 ilvl upgrades?

[spice surge]

There are no stat breakpoints at all

Playing assa with full outlaw gear is not a big loss at all

(because stats doesnt matter nearly as much as most people seem to think, its like a 2% loss to have the full outlaw gear compared to the assa setup in bis gear)

[silver verge]

my sims are just so much lower, I assumed it was because of hear

gear

[solid void]

Sim it and see 🙂

For me once I had three pieces that were higher ilvl it became wurf

Before it wasn't

[distant helm]

dw took me long enough

[midnight atlas]

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!wa

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[upbeat pebble]

!up

[prisma monolith]

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[brazen fern]

!wa

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[sour thunder]

What exactly slice n dice do for sin?

[mossy canopy]

proc more poisons

[sour thunder]

Okay I see

[vague dagger]

dslice sim still the way for m+ sim ye?

[lofty junco]

i still have lariat from 10.0

is it worth upgrading it?https://i.imgur.com/v7g6sp0.png

[sharp elk]

what tier piece slot do we not want?

[smoky leaf]

Probably not if you want toxic patch and toxic thorn boots

Cant wear 3 embellishments

[ornate jetty]

the one you don’t have

[sharp elk]

(:

[ornate jetty]

[lofty junco]

and if its mainly for ilvl? all the others are 437+ but can't find any upgradeable neck in emerald dreams -.-

[smoky leaf]

Dont waste your spark just to upgrade a neck for ilvl lol

[lofty junco]

jsut annoying that u can't buy neck from either timerifts, dreamsurge etc.

[strange python]

just get the pvp neck

[dusk onyx]

Does someone know why top rogues go troll and not human?

[strange python]

447 and upgradeable

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-horde-battle-for-azeroth-world-of-warcraft-gif-12331184

[lofty junco]

for honour?

[strange python]

the conquest one

just grab the quests and grind it out in one morning

[lofty junco]

what quest?

didn't touch pvp at all since legion

well except some world pvp^^

[dusk onyx]

And noe serious, why troll and not human?

[bleak ivy]

Damn watching Method pov is 10 times more fun thaan Echo or Liquid ngl

[bleak ivy]

maybe racial

[tranquil berry]

can anyone share that kingsbane weak aura? wa deleted for me apparently 😦

[solar bramble]

do we get 2nd catalyst charge next week or not till the week after?

[cunning basin]

Next week, first one we got week 1

This is technically week 2

[solar bramble]

tis what I thought. was just clarifying

tyty

[cunning basin]

[solar bramble]

so most should have 4 piece next week then

if you got at least 1 raid drop and get ksm or heroic raid

and/or vault piece

[cunning basin]

Unless you are like the actual least lucky person on earth you should have 4 set

Cuz I think you'd technically need at least like 1 kinda rng drop to go your way for 4 set

[solar bramble]

atm i have 0 set. no luck on the earlier bosses. pugs seem to be struggling making it past council or larodar

[cunning basin]

That's a big oof, that kinda fucks with my plans of raiding on the alt rogues ._.

Was hoping people could at least pug up to smoldy or tindral

[solar bramble]

it's kidna rough. since larodar is so healer reliant.

[haughty flicker]

pugs are a bit rng

[solar bramble]

very much so

[haughty flicker]

i joined several larry and nemo pugs who couldnt do anything

[cunning basin]

Yeah week one pugs are always sketchy but idk sometimes it's good

[haughty flicker]

then on my kills i joined pugs that just one shot them

[solar bramble]

the problem. is you kinda want to start a pug from the beginning. either it's good from the start or bad from the start and doesn't make it past like boss 4

[cunning basin]

I miss the old days when raids were easy a fuck

[solar bramble]

this raid is still easy af though 😦

[cunning basin]

You could pug icc25 in like 45 minutes lmao

Not compared to icc and shit

[solar bramble]

at least the normal is

[sharp elk]

yeah lmao that is what raid finder and normal are for

[cunning basin]

I agree that it's easy but even on normal basically every boss has 2x the mechanics of heroic lich king xD

[lofty junco]

lol now even guild groups want to have dps that synergy with aug evokers https://i.imgur.com/L4QaRBN.png

[cunning basin]

I'm just tryna pug my alts through mythic

[sharp elk]

delete aug

[cunning basin]

My poor ignored alt rogues stuck at 444 ilevel

[bleak ivy]

I dont invite augmentation out of principlle fuck them

[cunning basin]

Idk if the sub rogue is getting touched this tier, I think if I talent into dust the universe might disintegrate me on the spot

Outlaw fucks tho for sure

[glossy imp]

Shock build is kind of pug

[cunning basin]

What you mean by that

[bleak ivy]

it's a good build to start off with

[cunning basin]

I like the hybrid build. Definitely miss blindside a little bit but meh

[quick idol]

Problem with shock is the setup

[glossy imp]

I mean it sims higher for me too at diff fight times

[quick idol]

It’s too long

[bleak ivy]

Learning assa with shock

[quick idol]

Maybe in higher key when mobs will leave longer

[delicate trench]

jesus

[quick idol]

Other problem is there are a lot of dj with very low health target

[delicate trench]

can you share breakdown too please

!dagger

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[tawdry portal]

why is Ring of Contempt in our bislist if versatily is our baddest stat?

[bleak ivy]

Im not in game but top 5 I think is Garrote , Rupture , Spatter , envenom ,Kingsbane?

[solar bramble]

curious are these raid boss still able to be reset with hunter/mage?

[haughty flicker]

!WA

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[solar bramble]

when i see tanks try. the boss just teleports the entire raid back in and one shots us

[bleak ivy]

I think only hunters can

[pale knot]

anyone got a nice witherbark trinket weakaura?

[solar bramble]

mages can with greater invis

but why did blizz do that 😦

[bleak ivy]

idk why would they not allow reseting lmao

it aint harmful for blizzard

[crisp pine]

a blizzard employee has to manually spawn the boss every time it resets actually

[solar bramble]

they still allow it. but apparently only if your one of 2 classes

[cunning basin]

As far as I know there's only a couple bosses you can't hard reset and it's kinda obvious why you can't be of their arenas

Mages and hunters can reset every boss, even the ones in fucked up arenas

[bleak ivy]

??

[crisp pine]

What can I say, it's part of the job

[lofty junco]

wtf 360 conquest for wintergrasp?

[strange python]

risk:reward

The thing they don't tell you is that you gonna have to run it, mathematically, 7 times before you finally get your win

[covert mesa]

is there a new stealth bug ? im so often get out of stealth 😦

[lofty junco]

but weirdly i got 360 from it but the 250 from the quest didn't count

[livid zodiac]

when is it worth swapping to new tierset? 2pc or 4pc?

[strange python]

2p but sim

[livid zodiac]

ty

[pulsar apex]

where is the best place to gather stats based around talent usage. e.g. how many players are taking a Acrobatic Strikes and at what play level etc.

[snow kindle]

does OH matter for sin unlike sub n outlaw

[strange python]

it's pretty small

[surreal citrus]

outlaw dagger in oh was like a 0.6% gain last I checked

p trivial

[strange python]

Here is a look at a cursed sim - but the point remains, it shows how much dps you add if you added a set amount of stats and includes offhand dps.

[arctic hare]

Which boss is the closest to a patchwerk?

[dark token]

Meanwhile me

[dark token]

Volocross

Literally is patchwerk 5 min

[arctic hare]

oh, fuck, can't use that

[steel spire]

is this aoe?

[dark token]

My ST stats

[arctic hare]

Trying to help my friend out, but thats the one fight I died cause our tanks died and I had the highest aggro next to them.

[strange python]

Is volocross the one with the soak pools and the red circles under people (and the tentacles that slam)?

[dark token]

Yes

[strange python]

fucking doing that fight with two demon hunters

is aids

[surreal citrus]

mans needs more mastery

[strange python]

why do they run around so much with debuffs

[dark token]

U can use nymue as well

But there is add intermission phase

[arctic hare]

mkay

[dark token]

Like it's single target whole time

But u run to tree

[arctic hare]

Nah, what I'm worried about is comparing mine to his, cause he simply can't figure out how to get kingsbane down

[dark token]

Igira then

[arctic hare]

Its more the overall breakdown I'm worried about, he's having issues getting kingsbane to do more than 100k damage

[strange python]

total or per tick, jesus if per total wtf

[steel spire]

they didnt apply poison on daggers

[arctic hare]

Well, total he did 1.66 million, which, even then, is still low

[surreal citrus]

do they have poison on

[arctic hare]

The sad part is, he DOES have his poisons on

[strange python]

i mean one place to look at too is movement - like if you're not hitting the boss that's huge

[steel spire]

oh dear

[strange python]

lol what is he doing

[arctic hare]

Even in that its still really low

[surreal citrus]

1.6m total kb damage? over how many uses?

👀

[arctic hare]

Gonna ask him that when he gets back, wife aggro lmao

[strange python]

maybe he has kingsbane on a weapon swap macro to greys - and it snapshots

[arctic hare]

high doubt that lmao

[dark token]

exodia aquired

i can finally rest

[strange python]

i mean i'd believe anything at this point

[arctic hare]

HELLLLLLLLL yeah lmao

[surreal citrus]

is he not playing dtb

that might explain a little

[steel spire]

my st

[surreal citrus]

but not that much

[arctic hare]

You can see that he is from playing Amp and lethal

[surreal citrus]

o tru

[arctic hare]

I told him to run the hybrid build

[dark token]

ap blindside owns

in dungeons'

[arctic hare]

You aren't wrong

[steel spire]

blindside enjoyers are true gamers

[arctic hare]

but he's been having issues deciding which spec, so

[sturdy niche]

He just need to make sure when kb dot is on the boss he keeps it buffed with shiv. And to use thistle tea at six seconds left. It’s pretty simple tbh

[surreal citrus]

no snd/maybe just poor uptime during kb???

[arctic hare]

Honestly, thats what I'm really thinking

[visual stratus]

If you plan on going Assa for raid and Outlaw for m+, how would you craft your gear? Which stats would be best here?

[keen spruce]

kbs that low

[arctic hare]

He also probably doesn't fully understand snapshotting either

[keen spruce]

would indicate

that he's not even hitting the boss

[steel spire]

did they play with acro at all?

[keen spruce]

during kb

[strange python]

go with outlaw priority honestly

[steel spire]

cause hes prob used to acro

[arctic hare]

no. they're using the hybrid build from wowhead

[arctic hare]

But yeah, I think he is

[steel spire]

case closed

[arctic hare]

I'll have to get his auras when he returns for sure

[strange python]

I swapped to acro in mine and i quite enjoy it. I dropped shadowdance

[visual stratus]

Was thinking i'd have to go with one spec. Assa is really fun though so might just commit to it. You think we'll receive nerfs soon?

[arctic hare]

not, necessarily.

[strange python]

yes

I think Kingsbane gonna get hit so fucking hard no one will spec it

[arctic hare]

Cause this is the breakdown in a m+ key, not sure of what level, but regardless

[strange python]

literally every talent we take, even in the class tree, just revolves around Kingsbane. There's no choice.

[visual stratus]

That kills all the fun imo

[surreal citrus]

I don't wanna drop SD for m+ because extra ICs are too nice
definitely using acro for raid tho

[strange python]

I mean I'm a nobody

and consistently wrong so

[steel spire]

chain pulling as ass is so chill

[arctic hare]

Exactly, meaning he's messing SOMETHING up to get the KB so low that across an entire key it barely does anything

Wait, his evenom is very low as well, hmm

[surreal citrus]

I hate it when no time to restealth tbh

[steel spire]

gona have to check his energy use

[surreal citrus]

wait 1.6m over an entire key? god dam

[arctic hare]

seems like it yeah

[steel spire]

must be oom

[strange python]

i mean the dude obviously casted it like once

I feel like if you just hit it on CD, you do way more than 1.6M in an entire key

and pay no attention to tea or vanishes or shivs

[surreal citrus]

god I wish I could get 1.6m single kbs lol

[steel spire]

check shadow dance aura

[arctic hare]

Usually yeah

[arctic hare]

They're fuckin BEAUTIFUL man.

[steel spire]

cause sd and kb should be macrod

[surreal citrus]

highest I've gotten so far I think is 1.1ish outside of the dummy inflated damage bosses

[dark token]

my record is 9.3m

idk where tho

[strange python]

You don't do 1.6M with it in an entire key because you're forgetting to shadowdance though lol

[surreal citrus]

still working with a 463 mh though

[arctic hare]

how the FUCK?

[dark token]

must be 100% dmg boss

[strange python]

like i dont even run shadow dance

[steel spire]

everbloom abuser

[haughty flicker]

yalnu probably

[arctic hare]

lmao

[haughty flicker]

or ozumat

[surreal citrus]

^

def ozu

[arctic hare]

My MH is lower than yours.

[surreal citrus]

like the 20 million sudden demise earlier

f

I'm holding out for a 483 crafted next week

[haughty flicker]

my record is 5.5m on yalnu apparently

[strange python]

oh that's actually a good idea

[arctic hare]

If you notice, he's also not using caustic spatter either.

[surreal citrus]

had no luck with nick of time 😩

[arctic hare]

(He has it talented btw)

[strange python]

So I skipped some stuff this xpac - to get the 483 - you gotta find someone, do a personal work order, and do you set the min quality to max?

[strange python]

I mean he just needs to read a guide honestly

I don't see how you wouldn't accidentally spatter at some point

[steel spire]

oh hes one of those that spam ct

[arctic hare]

MMmmmm, nah

[surreal citrus]

quite possibly just using fok only on aoe pulls

[arctic hare]

his crimson tempest would probably be a good bit higher, no?

[steel spire]

nope its a dot

[strange python]

i mean probably not

there's no insta dmg there anymore

[arctic hare]

Touche

[strange python]

I mean we can also speculate all day - or just log one of his runs and post it

[surreal citrus]

for kb I imagine they might just be applying it then swapping targets

[steel spire]

the jury has come to a decision, hit dummies for 1 hour a day

[humble cypress]

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[strange python]

oh that's a good theory

hits kingsbane, keeps tab-targeting, etc

[arctic hare]

funny thing he is LMAO

[arctic hare]

Actually, maybe.

[surreal citrus]

definitely refer him the wowhead guide I think

[strange python]

Yeah probably not even any use in picking apart someone's logs - they just need to fundamentally understand their buttons

[surreal citrus]

some confusion or misunderstanding of how the spec works

[strange python]

Out of curiosity, what's the dude's overall at the end of the dungeon, compared to the other 2 dps lol

[arctic hare]

Idk exact numbers, but he's saying its pretty bad.

[normal mist]

Question about Nick of Time: When does the timestrike starts doing real dmg? I have one 463 Nick MH, and in 15 range keys, its doing around 0.8% dmg, but i've seen some of our madlads doing HUGE dmg with it

[strange python]

I mean this is gonna sound stupid - and i dont mean to judge anyone, has he tried sub?

it's pretty hard to mess sub aoe up in a dungeon environment

[lofty junco]

thats suchs a bullshit why can a dk grip me 3x in 10 seconds....

[arctic hare]

nope lmao

[strange python]

#pvp

[royal lantern]

its a rng proc

when it procs on bigger hits, it does bigger dmg

[normal mist]

Okay, and when having two, twice the dmg i'd imagine

[steel spire]

can it proc 2 ticks of kb at the end?

[solar bramble]

it's rng . . . it can proc on probably anything not item based

[keen reef]

!fuu

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[keen reef]

Is the gain high going 2p2p?

[obtuse latch]

Making item to tier, is that character bound or acc thing?

Do not understand why i cannot do it on my 2nd rogue

[radiant sonnet]

Hey guys, can anyone explain to me the pooling thing ? I feel like i'm losing a lot of dps when on low energy with nothing to cast, or maybe this is supposed to happen ?

[vital arrow]

At what point should I consider breaking last seasons tier for non-tier of this season?

[normal mist]

you get 1 charge per character this week afaik

[normal mist]

raidbots.com

thats your best answer

[wispy apex]

Do you aim to rupture all targets during a pull in m+?

[normal mist]

i rupture most of them with IC

im not really tab targetting

i just rupture/garrote the same target

and let IC do its job

[sage cargo]

Guys.. what am I doingn wrong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vJg8N4kk7m8V6Nq5DhLaRq

how is my character seriously simming 40k lower than my outlaw in ST

Obviously I have 30 ilvl higher weapons as outlaw, but that shouldn't merit 40k dps

[keen spruce]

you have a 437 main hand

[sage cargo]

It just seems so weird

Even simimng with a 30 ilvl higher weapon it's only like 10k dps higher xd

[strange python]

You're in like m+ spec or what? @sage cargo

so yeah 437 MH and mplus spec

[dark token]

anyone have a fancy WA for branch

i want it to do something like count seconds since activation, freezing the count each time it picks up an orb

and displaying 1/1/7 or 1/2/5 etc

[vapid skiff]

outlaw sims way higher with equal gear aswell

!fuu

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[vapid skiff]

look at the bottom sims for 448 ilvl ones

[gritty ibex]

should i delay gathering witherbark branch orbs for the mastery buff to be active on the last kingsbane proc?

[vapid skiff]

pickup 2 delay the 3rd

[sage cargo]

That's depressing. Thanks

[sage cargo]

Yeah, but i'm comparing to m+ spec for outlaw as well

[plucky quail]

How does Outlaw sim all the BtE reset stuff? It seems like it would swing wildly based on procs

[sinful beacon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sage cargo]

But yeah I see on fuus sheet that sin dslice sims 100k less as well

[vapid skiff]

ye outlaw gives up less ST in m+ build

[strange python]

sub gives up less too so

[sage cargo]

That's absolutely bonkers

[strange python]

it's just the nature of the beast

[vapid skiff]

dslice sim is not comparable between specs

never look at the number between specs

[sage cargo]

I wonder how sin will perform when people get tier etc

[vapid skiff]

overall dps in real keys is very close with outlaw and sin

[strange python]

sin's gonna be slappin

[vapid skiff]

its already slappin

[sage cargo]

Only reason I'm playing sin right now is because outlaw is frustrating when you dont hit procs

[static glacier]

got branch and 8th 20

[vapid skiff]

sin is just as good no joke

[sage cargo]

It's surprisingly fun

and I like the aoe silence

[strange python]

sin has its own frustrations but yeah i hear ya

[vapid skiff]

its bit squishier, more bursty and have extra cc with iron wire

[static glacier]

I'd argue OL is the better m+ pug spec

[sage cargo]

I have no idea what to do when my tank doesnt let me stealth inbetween pulls

[vapid skiff]

i disagree because iron wire

[sage cargo]

Like, what do you do when tank just chain pulls constantly, and you have no dots up?

[static glacier]

sin's dmg profile is really cringe if the tank won't pull for it

[dusk onyx]

Pls someone tell me how desth mark works. Do i want to refresh bleeds before deathmark? Do i want to vanish before or after deathmark for improved garrote?

[sage cargo]

Doyou use a vanish and if it keeps happening, cry on subsequent pulsl

[static glacier]

wtf do you do when you have cds and tank pulls petals in everbloom? you cringe

[strange python]

We're probably the least-dependent on restealths as we have ever been

[vapid skiff]

its not @static glacier you just need to shift playstyle to play around Sudden demise instead of Kingsbane when its cringe pulls

[static glacier]

nah, sin was less restealth reliant last patch

[static glacier]

what do you mean shift playstyle? we do the same shit regardless

bleed everything with garotte, spread 6-9 ruptures and CT up

[vapid skiff]

if you use vanish and dance for bleeds instead of making sure to save it for kingsbane

[static glacier]

how do I explain it

[vapid skiff]

because kingsbane will just die before it finishes anyway

[static glacier]

my issue isn't about getting bleeds up

it's how much dmg lloss there is in using KB / DM

[vapid skiff]

you use shivs and dances for more bleed dmg instead of shiv

[static glacier]

cus nothing can live

[vapid skiff]

yes i know

[lucid rain]

disregard kingsbane

[vapid skiff]

but if you do what i say you will clap anyone in dps even in shit keys

[static glacier]

shvis for bleed dmg and you talk about sudden demise?

im not saying my damage is low

[vapid skiff]

yes

[static glacier]

it's very good tbh, it's just my own personal struggle

[vapid skiff]

no one benefits from shit pulls

[static glacier]

getting mad at seeing kb targets die at 4-6 secs

[vapid skiff]

ye but it doesnt matter

its not like you are gonna do way better in outlaw if pulls are shit

[static glacier]

tbh assuming equal skill sin beats most specs in overall

[vapid skiff]

ye

[brittle gull]

you guys have any good sin rogue weak auras?

[vapid skiff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dusty zenith]

Where’s a good place to find opener sequences I’m coming back from s1

[vapid skiff]

wowhead guide

[dusty zenith]

New to using dance

[static glacier]

for keys it's not set in stone

situations change the opener

in general though you have 3 main aims before sending dm + kb

[celest helm]

[static glacier]

have garr + rup + CT up, have env up, have shiv ready to send before kb

[celest helm]

Whispyr really went so hard on the 10.2 guide just take 10 min and read the pin

[dusty zenith]

Yup I’m reading it now

[dusk onyx]

Pls help im stupid, when only deathmark gets ready do i use vanish before or after deathmark for improved garrote and do i refresh rupture? I dont get it

[static glacier]

are you playing kingsbane?

[arctic hare]

once I eventually get witherbark's branch, how many steps to the right or left do I need to go?

[dusk onyx]

Yes

[glass junco]

how is 2p +2p for us?

[arctic hare]

its not bad

you can use it

[glass junco]

better than old 4p?

[arctic hare]

Thats what wowhead said to do so

[odd notch]

Boots or dagger first craft? not gotten a weapon drop so still on my 447s

[static glacier]

assuming you have applied dots to the target you'll play it (Envenom > Deathmark > Shiv > shadow dance > kingsbane > While you're in dance you can apply empowered garrote > 2nd Shiv at 8 or less secs on KB > vanish* at 3 secs left for master assassin on last ticks of kingsbane)

hope that makes sense

[thin bone]

is a specific rogue spec considered the best right now?

[static glacier]

we don't vanish before DM anymore

[static glacier]

depends what for and who you ask, all three have things they're best at atm imo.

[thin bone]

m+ and raids

[dusty zenith]

Wow head says to vanish 3 seconds before kb ends

[thin bone]

or its better to play one each

[static glacier]

fixed it, ty for spotting typo

[dusty zenith]

Ohh

[tough gorge]

All 3 specs are performing well for both raid and m+

[odd notch]

Dagger or boots for first craft, i hate not gotten a weapon drop as of yet

[jaunty warren]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[static glacier]

dagger is immediate power but more wasteful, boots is safest long term craft.

[tough gorge]

Sub is just less represented in mythic+ but will scale better eith 4p

[static glacier]

sub on 1-4 mob pulls felt giga awful outside of cds for me

[thin bone]

so then

[odd notch]

i mean i will get the boots next week anyway

[tough gorge]

Sub on 1 target is very good

[thin bone]

thanks for the answers first of all

[odd notch]

and i got them on 447

[thin bone]

so then which spec do you think is most fun to play

[wispy hazel]

is sudden demise bugged

[slate crown]

Deathmark makes all of your bleeds and poisons on the target have double debuffs on the target, effectively doubling their damage, contributions to Lethal Dose, and energy gain from Venomous Wounds. This is for all bleeds on the target at any time during deathmark, you do not need to recast your bleeds except as you normally would. If you want to know how and when to use vanish, please read the guide on opener and rotation.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[static glacier]

all three are good, I'd say try all three for the content you're doing and see which you do best with. popular opinion is sin is best for raid generally and outlaw is best for keys

[dusk onyx]

Thanks mate, i didnt play assa for a long time. But i dont understand if i van refresh bleeds in DM or if its a dmg loss or if i even have to refresh bleeds while DM. I mean if garrote is active- i do DM- should i then shadowdance/Vanish for getting improved garrote or not. Same thing should i refresh rupture even if its pretty fresh?

[static glacier]

sub has some fights where it beats sin

[thin bone]

@static glacier thanks bro, i was saying that in the context of the next question

[dusk onyx]

Thank you very much mate, precise answer. Thats what i needed to know

[meager iron]

!sims

[static glacier]

the rupture reapplication in dance optimisation is giga tiny, don't think about it

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[dusk onyx]

Thanks!

[static glacier]

just refresh rupture when it's in pandemic, once you're more comfortable then look into the small optimisations

[slate crown]

Uh orbs are like 7 yards ish away from you in a triangle pattern every time, 2 in front of you to left and right and one directly behind. IDN how many steps that is

[arctic hare]

Ahh, hmm.

[slate crown]

They’re always the same placement and drift toward you slowly. They actively home in on you so you don’t need to always chase them down. They are slow but if you aren’t moving a long distance and are basically staying near where you cast, they’ll find their way to you

They last for 20sec on their own before disappearing

[strange python]

Just use a proper Rupture weakaura - then you don't have to worry about optimizations it basically tells you WHEN to hit it.

[sage cargo]

Are there any sick weakauras in general for assa?

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

why does my single target spec does havbe aoe talents ._. ?

[slate crown]

Yes, 2p2p is strong. But sims are all up to date, you can sim yourself to see the impact. Generally speaking though the recommendation will be to switch to 2p2p as soon as you are able

[strange python]

Go in sub and look at fuu's weakauras

maybe if you pay him enough he'll make some sin ones

[slate crown]

Why

[nova wolf]

LE’s weakaura is really good

[neon pollen]

Is there an optimal time to use Mydas running the shock build?

[slate crown]

We have a bunch of sin WAs, including rupture tracking

[sage cargo]

This woulnd't be recommended if I'd have catalyst though right?