assassination

[junior aurora]

blue name

[dark token]

Although I think on mythic we will be lusting 4 mins...

[slim hamlet]

Probably will whenever we get to mythic

[dark token]

Mydas sub quite possibly is more dmg

But I'll probably still play assa

I enjoy it more

[junior aurora]

i think sub without mydas is probably still more than assass on smolderon

[dark token]

Also good thing I looted a heroic mydas day 1

[arctic tusk]

does eveyrone macro KB and dance?

[balmy condor]

Everyone except echo rogues

[slate crown]

I don't, but I always use them together

[pastel roost]

Quick question, should i use Ambush whenenever available to me ? like when shadowdancing ? or would there be a reason not to use it ?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[vernal shadow]

Whisp is there a written version of the ‘short ramp’ openers anywhere? I checked wowhead rq.

I can just rewatch the vid and write it down but thought I’d ask first.

[slate crown]

Just because I already had keybinds for them which are different so I didn't have a need to macro them

[velvet ridge]

how do i make my spells not go to my bars when i change loadout

[naive crescent]

Ty sorry I tried searching nerf and didn't see anything recently

[velvet ridge]

found it thx

[vernal shadow]

There should be an extra little tick on the talent save/change out popup that says something like ‘used shared keybinds’… I think.

[velvet ridge]

wait what is that bird dance emote, its so cute

[potent dawn]

I’m using Midas until I get branch…. When is the right time to use it? Or is it just send in CD

[humble ginkgo]

Really?

[balmy condor]

On my todo list to add to wowhead but basically just skip the first rupture, cast the envenom instead, and then rupture first opener in dance

[humble ginkgo]

I need to macro that shit

I never thought of that

[haughty flicker]

just dont come back in a few hours asking why kb didnt go off if you press it during gcd

[vernal shadow]

[humble ginkgo]

is there any reason to not macro DM and branch?

[keen spruce]

if you just wanna see little orbs chace you around for fun

although ig you could just use the dm macro for that too

[humble ginkgo]

I just dont see how u would never press branch instantly as you press dm right

[clever perch]

we go Wafting Devotion now?

[keen spruce]

ye

and ye

[clever perch]

only on 1 dagger or both?

[jagged yoke]

is improved garrote snapshotted?

[keen spruce]

both but sim yourself

[proud rover]

Wouldn't it be better to DM after you have the buff? So more of the mastery buff lines up with DM?

[sudden brook]

Hello fellow assassination rogues

[sudden brook]

yes U just macro it

[wary igloo]

I’ve ran that dungeon about 10 times over 2 days and it still has eluded me :/

[solemn mason]

can we vanish or evasion rezan?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[celest helm]

Try it

Youll get you answer quick!

[royal lantern]

then you would use embersoul

not a stick

[spiral salmon]

so Im guessing we dont need blindside on our weak auras right ?

[plucky roost]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[slate crown]

Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you use garrote from stealth its damage is increased for the entire duration of the garrote, so if that means Snapshotting to you, then yes.

[candid goblet]

If your guild runs a billion melee like mine, lowkey I'd rather run Ashes trinket or something instead of Branch

can't see shit

[slate crown]

I kept mine because I like to know that my next builder is free when pooling, to know if I might be able to get another finisher off before breaking the chain.

[royal lantern]

and guy, stop comming here and keep the fotm monkeys contained in the outlaw channel

[humble ginkgo]

No clue thats why im asking

[humble ginkgo]

[indigo epoch]

Wtf is the on use for the Cruel Dreamcarver? just got one in a normal. whats it do?

[humble ginkgo]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[indigo epoch]

interesting, ty

[dreamy edge]

how does sanguine work? is it using bleeds while above 50% and having combo points or do the bleeds auto use the combo points?

[woeful cipher]

Have we discussed why JPC is looking for the DHT trinket? something weird going on there?

[still creek]

was gonna go to bed and said ''fuckit, one more doti'' and i got the dagger. Fucking finally

[slate crown]

Not CP, energy

[runic hinge]

Is this mod abuse

I feel like it is

[slate crown]

If you are above 50% energy, every tick of your bleeds will drain more energy from you to deal extra damage.

[pastel roost]

Quick question as a new assa rogue, what is the command ! dagger for ?

[devout prism]

shock build is so fun
21 DHT

[dreamy edge]

so you want to stay above 50% at all times then?

[slate crown]

No

That's just how the talent works, but when you use it you don't play into it really

[frozen iris]

Is there a good point when we start dropping old tier?

[slate crown]

Its passive energy drain and damage is enough, you don't need to play any differently above/below 50% energy

[devout prism]

guess aug numbers don't count tho 😦

[slate crown]

when you have the new tier

you go for 2p2p

[frozen iris]

ah okay

[dreamy edge]

huh so then is gear and higher keys the reason why its not a higher damage spot on my dps ? cause its at like number 12

[slate crown]

but if you want a more specific answer, sims

[slate crown]

It's entirely a function of how many bleeds you have out and where that puts your energy, keep in mind the mroe bleeds you have out the more energy you're getting back from VW. Having more out in keys will mean more time spent above 50% energy

Which will lead to a higher amount of sanguine damage on your breakdown

[dreamy edge]

its time to become optimal then

that helps a ton tho

[cursive frost]

so maybe ashes > branch?

[drifting cloud]

no, not even close

[bitter trout]

Can anyone reccomend a vid or somewhere to look for rotation guide for aoe and ST?

[cursive frost]

whispyr has videos on youtube

[bitter trout]

Perfect thanks

[royal lantern]

the differnce is not big mate

[balmy condor]

It’s… kinda big

[royal lantern]

then oxi gave me false informations

[bitter trout]

I see 2 different builds for m+, one that uses DTB and one that goes AP, is the rotation different between the two?

[haughty flicker]

idk it seems pretty big to me

[balmy condor]

Max heroic ashes vs max non-vault branch is around 2.2% for my char

[bitter trout]

also, any reason jpc tryna get that vers trinket from DHT as assa?

[solemn mason]

or.. hear me out... you could just ...idk give a straight answer?

[haughty flicker]

to play outlaw probably

[bitter trout]

It don't sim that good on outlaw

There's a lot better out there for it

[tall jay]

It’s for the tank I thought

[haughty flicker]

werent they also going for mydas though

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot of leather in dht

It ain’t that deep

[normal mist]

My guysss, day1 of raiding and down goes Fyrakk lets fucking goooooooo (normal ofc)

[pure moth]

Theres a dagger that has an on use. Its called cruel dreamcarver. The on use effect is "Carve out a piece of your target's dreams, consuming it to gain a benefit based on the creature's type." So does something different per type of mob it is. So the command is to show the benefit from it.

[celest helm]

or try it

[woeful cipher]

noticed JPC was using a tea right after KB cast and then not garrote-ing after the vanish at the end? any reason for the deviation from the standard rotation? was in opener so didnt seem like there was some situation warranting it

[junior aurora]

he probably doesn't read the wowhead opener lol

[velvet ridge]

how do you reasonably do council, this is ass

[haughty flicker]

jpc is beyond mortal comprehension

[rigid tartan]

It’s probably just a mistake. They’ve been chain farming m+ and splits for days

[slate crown]

Imagine having tens of thousands of people

microanalyzing

every single GCD you do

like holy shit

[still creek]

yea i think jpc is human aswell, not sure tho

[lavish wing]

I wouldn't go that far, but yea...

[royal lantern]

bench

enjoy not playing it

council fights

[steel spire]

Classic whispyr giving jpc the real opener for race

[oak tangle]

[gilded river]

so curious

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

wdym if i dont do everything jpc does im failing as a rogue

[gilded river]

currentyl on opener i go sd>DM>shiv>KB>garrote

is that right?

[haughty flicker]

not really no

the guide on wowhead has everything written out

i would read that and practice on a dummy for a bit

[gilded river]

again thats after i garrote garrote rupture from og stealth

what i wrote previous is after

[spice spire]

Check him pc this not normally

[gilded river]

it feels good just trying to see if it can be better

[velvet ridge]

is he pc human

[haughty flicker]

im not actually convinced jpc is human

[void mesa]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[gleaming reef]

What's the dagger tag even do? What are those buffs

[void mesa]

The buffs you can get from Cruel Dreamcarver

[quiet oar]

Tbf the beast thingy

Safed my ass so many times

Literally 22% leech

You can survive so many things

[potent dawn]

What build are people playing on things like Council? Was trying the shock build but not sure its the right thing to run

[strange python]

Can you still hit dummy before a key and get SnD going before key start in outside dungeons?

[warped lily]

U know some aura for Caustic spatter buff?

spatter

[quiet oar]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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[quiet oar]

I know Le has a aura in the pack

[slate crown]

Most of the groups have a spatter aura

That is, all the new ones do, I don't know about the Base Afenar

[distant fox]

Edited luxthos one to have spatter.

[balmy condor]

it's pretty fucking cringe tbh

[distant fox]

Its a debuff on the target

[balmy condor]

you should see the dm's I got

whispyr whispyr

jpc just said he's not using branch

why is that

cause he doesn't have one you fucking single celled organism

whispyr whispyr why did he just dance after kingsbane

[slate crown]

Hey Whispyr I hear jpc double dips his chips, is that because it increases his spatter damage by 2% or is it better to stick with sanguine uptime

[balmy condor]

cause he fucked up

he's a human

if it's exhausting for me to try and miraculously pull reasons for how he plays

out of my god damn ass

imagine how exhausting it must be for him

doesn't rupture in dance one time

OH SHIT JAMES JAMES

HEY

JAMES

JAMES

WHY

YOU DIDNT RUPTURE

JAMES

HEY

WHY DID YOU DO THAT

WAS THAT INTENTIONAL

[fallow acorn]

lol do you need a nap

[balmy condor]

bro's gotta give a whole ass post game interview for every gcd

community is actually just fiends

[distant fox]

My brain degrades like that when i sleep to little

[oak tangle]

i just love how much everyone before patch was like "so which is better sin or outlaw" and they're current playing sub

[earnest remnant]

better for the fight timings

[hoary isle]

waow

[balmy condor]

actual brain rot

[earnest remnant]

kinda obvious just from ptr trsting

[haughty flicker]

yeah it seems perfect for smolderon

[distant fox]

Sometimes i get the feeling that we should end your suffering.
Even my demons tell me that you had enough o.o

[oak tangle]

[proven jasper]

[distant fox]

What? I just wanna be nice 😦

[quiet oar]

I love These whisp rants

Ngl

[balmy condor]

he put it in writing for me

[quiet oar]

Love you whisp

[wispy hazel]

we want thorn boots right?

not slime?

[balmy condor]

yes

slime is ass

[wispy hazel]

okay

[distant fox]

If you love sth let it go right? Right?

Back to work. Still waiting for a backstab

[quiet oar]

Nah we need whisp here

[oak tangle]

what does abt mean, must be a hidden meaning there

[quiet oar]

Drunk whisp is acutally wholesome

[balmy condor]

he's not even farming dht for himself he's just farming it because someone else needs a trinket like a tank or some garbage

like man fuck

are people seriously that deranged

that their first thought

[hexed willow]

That’s kinda rude to single cell organisms

What did they do to you

[balmy condor]

is "IT MUST BE SECRET TECH"

HE KNOWS SOMETHING

[oak tangle]

this is secret tech

[balmy condor]

true

that is secret tech

at least maybe now all the brainlets end up in subtlety instead

gives me some time to crack open a new fresh bottle of vodka for all the drinking I'm gonna do

[earnest remnant]

please no

[balmy condor]

stealthi I've been taking care of the kids all week

it's your turn now

[earnest remnant]

my brain is fried enough from all of these keys man

[balmy condor]

papa needs a little spicy water

if I have to answer one more question

[nova kelp]

my brain is fried from keys and I'm only like 35 in

[balmy condor]

about dht eggsheel being sleeper op

[earnest remnant]

im sim chasing

[nova kelp]

also fuck throne

[balmy condor]

I will actually blow my brains out

[earnest remnant]

almost 200k sim

[drifting cloud]

so youre saying its good, its the only trinket ive gotten so far from m+

[soft shale]

we already have them here

sending fuu to make a command

[balmy condor]

do you need a comman

I can make one real quick

anything to keep the flood at bay

[earnest remnant]

so close man i can taste it

[normal mist]

its something.... right?

[soft shale]

maybe a fast !smolderon with Yes Liquid is using sub because the timings are perfect for the fight 1 min then 1:30 It just does more dmg

so then when they are on t swift and assa does 100k more dps

they can rest in peace

[quiet oar]

Does make sense

Because people will asks this so many Times now

[brazen oasis]

dont forget to mention secret egshell strat

[hexed willow]

@earnest remnant why is the dragon talent bis if it nerfs our damage by 30%

[slim hamlet]

Yo I just got that

(please it was a joke, dont ban me)

[earnest remnant]

the what talent

[slim hamlet]

oh no

don't do it to him

[hexed willow]

The thing that lets me have 2 poisons

[balmy condor]

he took the bait

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[hexed willow]

It’s a dragon thing

[slim hamlet]

it wasn't a bait?

[balmy condor]

it was bait

it just wasn't a dn

[slim hamlet]

hm

I for sure thought he was about to rip a "dragon deez nuts"

[hexed willow]

It was a different kind of bait

The “how stupid is this fucker” bait

[slim hamlet]

i c

[runic hinge]

Should’ve been

[signal wren]

Is there a trick to this witherbarks trinket kind of annoying to use

[runic hinge]

A deeZe nutz joke

[earnest remnant]

my brain is mush from doing key for 16 hours straight im so confused

[haughty flicker]

a work of art

truly

[sick aspen]

I love this

[hexed willow]

I’m not smart enough for that

[quiet oar]

I like this shovels covered in grass

[quiet oar]

Drag on deez nuts

Gottem

[signal wren]

So i just immediately grab the first 2 and it takes 7 seconds for the 3rd?

Is what im reading that as

[oak tangle]

basically yeah

[tight kernel]

ig liquid rogues switched to sub cause they are struggling with assa opener

[balmy condor]

[hexed willow]

@earnest remnant why don’t we crimson tempest before we enter CDs in the aoe rotation?

[wind falcon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[oak tangle]

might need some practice, but the 3rd will chase you, you dont have to be too far from it

[balmy condor]

liquid rogues can't do opener

it's true

[tight kernel]

[balmy condor]

james has the meat sausage fingers like no one knows

[haughty flicker]

i knew it

[balmy condor]

deli hands

[tight kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-sausage-doigts-saucisses-fingers-sausages-main-saucisse-finger-food-gif-27441110

[grand trail]

What's the SIM difference for branch when you don't delay orbs?

[balmy condor]

rumor has it he can do his whole rotation just by slapping his cock on the keyboard but it's far too powerful to use in game they're afraid he'd get banned

[earnest remnant]

[hexed willow]

It’s a real question!

[balmy condor]

like 0.3 - 0.5

[quiet oar]

You asking the King of sub

[grand trail]

That's not much

[hexed willow]

Whispyr is on break

[quiet oar]

You cant break whisp anymore

[grand trail]

I was thinking if it not over simming lookin at logs Vs embersoul

[quiet oar]

I guess

[keen spruce]

@earnest remnant wanna come bloom for a bit

i could really use this stick

[earnest remnant]

you do realize

im european rigt

[hexed willow]

Hey whispyr, stealthi didn’t have an answer, why don’t we crimson tempest before we enter CDs in the aoe rotation?

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

oh shit

[grand trail]

I can't wait to try out AP build today

[keen spruce]

i did not

[balmy condor]

I don't wanna talk to you

[slim hamlet]

u just made me realize i am too

[hexed willow]

I don’t want to talk to me either 😦

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

any room in that bloom?

[violet jackal]

get me in that bloom

[earnest remnant]

im gonna wake up tmrw

and spam Black rook hold

[slim hamlet]

But actually tho in keys where they live all of KB, why do we not use CT before?

[earnest remnant]

and throne

[grand trail]

Would you guys hold vendeta in big pack if there is no real big target which survive whole duration of it?

[lucid rain]

vendetta

[grand trail]

Because I hate when it desync with kb

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[violet jackal]

depends on route

[grand trail]

Because I hate so much when I Ramp press DM and DM target die instantly

And if I hold I desync and I hate it even more

[keen spruce]

i just send it

keep things synced

easier to prep for bosses

[grand trail]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

as long as it's like

the start of a pack

i just rip it

[grand trail]

There is many elite mobs which survive longer but than you have this packs which every target is poop

Swapping targets for interrupting with assa is pain, sometimes I lose my KB target in pack 😄 gotta start using some kick macro

[slim hamlet]

mouseover macros my friend

[signal wren]

at what point are yall pressing witherbarks and shit, after deathmark or kingsbane?

[slim hamlet]

dm

[signal wren]

cool ty

[strange trail]

i have a dumb question. so i got the my'das tailsman trinket, what ability do I line it up with for sin?

[balmy condor]

you just cast it on cooldown

its just flat damage there's no reason to line it up

[strange trail]

okay thank you!

[hexed willow]

Lemme know when you find out

[ornate pier]

!wa

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[deft vault]

if we got ashes instead or branch do we still wanna use it with dm or a bit later?

[warped prawn]

is our 2pc still bugged and dropping off?

[keen spruce]

no it fixed

[warped prawn]

ok

ty

[grand trail]

You suppose to use 3sec into kB but after checking logs nobody really does that and send it with dm

[proud rover]

I look around logs and see people doing way more spatter damage then me. does the amirdrassil 2 set play a big role in that? I could be doing the same rotation and just have more bleed dmg than spatter because of the 2 set?

[lucid rain]

what level keys are you doing?

[proud rover]

13~15

[grand trail]

Spatter value grow with key levels

[proud rover]

so no big need to worry I am fucking up every spatter?

[grand trail]

I mean there is not much to fuck about it

Just don't drop it

[junior aurora]

low keys are such a meme lmao

13 tott

[fringe cypress]

sorry if this has been mentioned but anyone else having issues with caustic spatter pulling extra adds in waycrest manor, have had it pull the first boss twice now while killing trash -_-

[earnest remnant]

you ready to have to play sub on smolderon?

[sudden brook]

No

These meta cucks need to die

[grand trail]

Did liquid reach smolderon?

[earnest remnant]

they are on it rn

[grand trail]

And they both on sub?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[grand trail]

Cool

Would be nice playing something different

[drifting cloud]

hey sub on smolderon is alot better than assa over outlaw elsewhere! (probably)

[sudden brook]

Fake news

[cursive frost]

Just better cd alignment?

[vague dagger]

anyway to minmax branch if i just macro it into deathmark or should i use it separetly?

[grand trail]

We spend one raid doing normal sell runs

I was not happy

[slim hamlet]

Is that a thing?

Normal sales?

[grand trail]

Unfortunately yea

[slim hamlet]

Wow

[grand trail]

We add extra night so we don't miss out but still not happy

Gotta have look at HC fryakk compared to normal it look like mess

Lots of dancing

[earnest remnant]

ehh, its about the same really, you just phase faster on normal

[grand trail]

I saw some beams or so on hc

[earnest remnant]

the lines?

[grand trail]

I did not watch any stream yet or so because even when I "watch" I'm doin keys and don't pay attention

Ye

[earnest remnant]

if you did mythic sylvannas they are just like death knifes, just that its only 1 line instead of 2

[grand trail]

It's one shot on hc?

[earnest remnant]

nah

[tawdry flare]

Question - didn't see it in Pins - does simming Dungeon Slice work for Sin?

[slate crown]

Dungeon slice is a supported sim mode yes.

[spice spire]

I support you

[runic hinge]

It does exist

[slate crown]

whoa

you got into a group

[runic hinge]

Got a guildie tanking

[tulip tendon]

Damn lucky

ran that place 26 times so far

[real inlet]

is there a different spell id for improved garrote vs normal garrote?

[slate crown]

Nopers

[real inlet]

anyone fancy trick to track with a weak aura?

[slate crown]

you have to track your buffs based on when the aura is applied

It requires custom code, if you just want auras that do this they are on wago and in these packs:

!wa

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[dusk sun]

do we get another spark next week?

[tulip tendon]

Yeah

[nocturne hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/phew-dogs-gif-10241261

3 runs in a row lucky keys lol

[naive sierra]

Where do we stand on 2p/2p vs old 4p?

[sudden brook]

Sim

[tulip tendon]

🥲🥲

[sudden brook]

:3

[tulip tendon]

I haven’t seen one yet, I’ve gotten everything but the trinket and dagger

[vague dagger]

do we preuse branch or just macro it to deathmark?

[tulip tendon]

Going back in tomorrow for more runs

[tawdry flare]

So... Nick of Time is BiS because of Timestrike?

or just good dagger

[worn igloo]

Envenom's still the go-to spender in aoe situations after spreading ruptures and getting tempest up right?

[sudden brook]

I mean

It's a good dagger because of time strike yes

[tawdry flare]

I don't mean to be dense.

[sudden brook]

All good

[tulip tendon]

I have one dagger so trying to get another so I can play sim

Sin

[dawn pivot]

does anyone have any macros to help with m+ and raid rotation cause im about to just give up rogue at this point

[fleet pagoda]

we don't have a way to remove sbs from a dummy besides logging out/flying away, do we?

[clever perch]

Arterial talent build is kinda kekw

[tawdry flare]

Whispyr has some baller videos on Sin

[clever perch]

Without tier set

[fallen forge]

did u ever respond to the bis raid daggers btw

I went to bed not knowing sadge

[dawn pivot]

ive watched her and dalaran explain the rotation and everything for 4 hours and still some how mess it up ive played sub for so long and they killed it

[dreamy elk]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[clever perch]

Well I rather taking the other X2 offhands instead the one of the first boss

[tawdry flare]

Seems to be doing fine? I have seen some serious Sub dam.

[vernal shadow]

Fellow outlaw gamer

[sudden brook]

[clever perch]

@fallen forge since the buffs are garbage u rather take X2 betrayer's cinderblade

[worn igloo]

did they fix the wrong ambush on SS/Muti replacement already btw?

[clever perch]

Would be better than taking cruel dreamcarver in Sims for sure

[fallen raven]

ya

[worn igloo]

Also, a bit confused as to when muti takes precedence over FoK in m+ trash packs - with spatter do you just not press fok?

[lucid rain]

spatter has a 10s duration

so you muti only enough to keep it up

[gaunt moat]

@slate crown It's embarrassing but your post about stealth bar made me realize i had mutilate on stealth bar instead of ambush up until now

[worn igloo]

ah so caustic's splash damage is separate from hitting the target with muti, gotcha

[tulip tendon]

Does nick of time effect stack if you have both

[cerulean nest]

@gaunt moat I cant get your IC weakaura to show up

[final laurel]

how come we dont go virulent poisons in raid

[gaunt moat]

umm, can you check if there's something checked in the "load" tab?

[keen spruce]

because it doesn't do as much damage as the alternative

[final laurel]

hmm

[keen spruce]

[final laurel]

iok

[gaunt moat]

anything else checked below that?

[cerulean nest]

just this

[worn igloo]

what does whispyr mean on envenom pooling when he says "getting back up to 5"? 5 what?

[gaunt moat]

and it doesn't load for you in m+?

[cerulean nest]

no sir

[gaunt moat]

can you try unchecking that and just go around in stealth?

also, let's move to DMs
I'm just starting an everbloom right now
i'll get back to you afterwards

[cerulean nest]

it works doing that yeah

[gaunt moat]

ok, so the isntance type load filter was the issue for you

check this instead:

this works

[cerulean nest]

ok cool I will

ty

[keen spruce]

combo points i'm assuming

[worn igloo]

ah

[gaunt moat]

i would also check "in combat"

[keen spruce]

but that can also be 4 now

i think the pooling vid was before the 4+ stuff starting pokin around

[drifting light]

1 down, 1 to go, fuck this farm

[tulip tendon]

Damn y’all getting lucky tonight

All I see now is these in chat

[unique sorrel]

think of it like this - it COULD be Rise instead

[supple snow]

Grats

What lvl drops 470?

[fallen raven]

i've had two rises listed as falls so far

[tulip tendon]

At least fall is easy

[drifting light]

imagine being on rise

[fallen raven]

and literally a third just now

[tulip tendon]

20 mins easy if good group p

[unkempt meteor]

0 Nicks so far

[unique sorrel]

this infuriates me

[tulip tendon]

I’ll be happy with one nick lol

Don’t need both

[unique sorrel]

twice, both times i REALLY wanted to just leave

[steel spire]

[celest mirage]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

19/20

[slate crown]

Well now you know it didn't really impact your damage much 🙂

[bleak eagle]

the ashes trinket sims right right?

[balmy condor]

right

[bleak eagle]

ty

[earnest remnant]

right right or right?

[balmy condor]

right

[earnest remnant]

right

[spare dust]

14 eb, not AP build. good bad?

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGoi-6wVvug

[gaunt moat]

i constantly had energy issues though

[deft vault]

what rune we wanna use on weapon? still buzzing?

[wispy quail]

are we tab dotting? Or do you just stick on one target and let it spread through indiscriminate carnage?

[worn igloo]

My outlaw still simmin' higher than my sin - how much of that is likely to be the vers > crit focus on gear and how much of that is just sim =/= reality when you factor in shorter fights etc?

[slate crown]

Depends on target count but I just stick on one target and spead with IC, but you still need to tab dot later when you have to refresh without IC

[wispy quail]

Perfect. You already answered my second question

thx!

[worn igloo]

tab dotting is the main reservation I have with trying a few keys as sin to see how it compares

[junior aurora]

you dont have to tab dot

[gleaming reef]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[junior aurora]

IC smart targets so you can spread off of one target, it'll just be 1 less application of bleed per use

which is usually fine

[worn igloo]

not when you need to refresh bleeds mid-pack tho

[junior aurora]

use shadow dance

use vanish

[worn igloo]

dance is for kingsbane surely?

[junior aurora]

doesn't have to be in keys

[worn igloo]

fair

[junior aurora]

sometimes its not worth bc you wont even get full kingsbane value on most packs

[worn igloo]

I'm just really bad at tracking dots on nameplates, especially when sin has so many (even with whispyr's plater profile)

[junior aurora]

so buffing the kingsbane ends up hurting a bit bc u lose the spatter mob

[clever perch]

@balmy condor can u update talents guide?

[balmy condor]

oh you again

[clever perch]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#raid-build-dance doesn't match

[clever perch]

wtf bro xD

[junior aurora]

what doesn't match

[balmy condor]

you never got back to me earlier

I was waiting

[clever perch]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

the arterial shock build

[junior aurora]

it does match

[clever perch]

is different in each website

[junior aurora]

from wowhead to icyveins?

[worn igloo]

you linked wowhead twice btw

[balmy condor]

looks the same to me

[clever perch]

oh nvm

its me not updating the sheet

sry

[clever perch]

then maybe add the "hybrid" one here?

tbh with mdt string it sims higher in raidbots

pre tierset ofc

[balmy condor]

glad to hear it

run that build then

[clever perch]

I was just saying it could be good to add it to the main page

[balmy condor]

I just took the builds out of the cheat sheet last night because people saw two m+ builds and got confused which to run

I'm not adding them back in again

[clever perch]

agh

[balmy condor]

that's what the talent page is for

[gilded oasis]

Are we ambushing in m+ I thought we were just doing it in st since we take ambush talents

[balmy condor]

depends what "ambushing in m+" means

ambush is just mutilate

but better

same rules apply

[gilded oasis]

Woops

[balmy condor]

fok vs mut is the same logic as fok vs ambush

[worn igloo]

and that logic being what, 4+ targets with spatter up already?

[balmy condor]

fok is 3+

[worn igloo]

ah, 3

[lunar sonnet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[balmy condor]

[worn igloo]

there's so much text on the assa rotation page, can be hard to parse in one go

very verbose

[balmy condor]

it's all the info you would ever need

not verbose

just accurate

[worn igloo]

guess it's just a lot to take in coming from chillin' on outlaw. Way more plates to spin for assa, feels like

[clever perch]

do you think in the hybrid build is worth to take lightweight shiv over Flying daggers?

[worn igloo]

specifically dot upkeep.

[balmy condor]

yeh, assa is plate spinning, the spec

[balmy condor]

hybrid already takes lightweight shiv over flying daggers

[clever perch]

yea thats what i mean

[balmy condor]

I personally never recommend dropping lightweight shiv

[clever perch]

do u think is better than flying daggers?

[balmy condor]

yes

better single target, better priority damage, you get to use the second charge if you need to dispel enrages

smoother rotationally as well

if you drop it, you'd probably take venom rush over flying daggers

but I'm not convinced that's really worth it

for the same reasons

you'll notice not having 2 shiv charges

you probably won't notice venom rush

[mighty elm]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[worn igloo]

manually reapplying dots one at a time stifled shadow for the longest time until DF finally gave them shadow crash dot application. Assa aoe feels alright on the opener but as soon as all of your ruptures start falling off, it's just kinda tedious to have to build between each rupture

[versed mica]

why is there nothing about vanish/sd usage with KB in the wowhead guide

don't we vanish last 3 seconds of KB?

[plucky quail]

Scroll down further after the opener

[versed mica]

oh

im literally blind I should be playing DH on god

and we always just SD + KB yeah?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's what dance/vanish are for. We're a burst spec in m+ too for the most part, spreading bleeds everywhere ends up just kinda not being the move without cooldowns as long as you have energy and caustic it's good enough, but dance on a 1 min basically means you're able to spread every pack with no issue

[worn igloo]

when the aoe rotation section mentions maintaining garotte, rupture at 4+ and tempest at 4+ - how many targets are we aiming to keep garotte up on

[balmy condor]

assa is a cranker spec

[balmy condor]

yeah just macro them together

[balmy condor]

as many as you need for energy

[worn igloo]

so you desync dance with your pull to get the second wave of ruptures and garottes out or sommat?

instead of syncing it with kb

[balmy condor]

no you sync with kb

you're able to garrote in dance to cleave

[worn igloo]

Yeah I know but aren't we kinda wanting to kb towards the start of the pull after bleed spreads and envenom?

[versed mica]

and from what I'm reading we pool energy just for envenom buff right? Or do we need to pool more for sangy

[balmy condor]

garrote is an 18 second dot and the opener in big aoe has the next garrote at 18 seconds exactly

idk

[arctic tusk]

what do i take off for shroud cd talent?

[balmy condor]

how much longer should it be

[balmy condor]

deadend nerves probably

[worn igloo]

and I'm guessing it just takes some experience/time on the spec to know when you've got enough for energy maintenance

[strange python]

what time left should i use my trinket on kingsbane?

[fallen forge]

he said he would rather take 2 of the off hand instead of 1 dreamcarver 1 other dagger

[balmy condor]

from my keys this week it's just been "I push my cooldowns and it cleaves a million bleeds out and i'm drowning in energy"

and uh

that's kinda that

[cunning frost]

in aoe ive never had an energy problem

[fallen forge]

anyone have a weakaura that tracks scent of blood stacks btw?

[worn igloo]

Oh I see, by the time you get through spinning your plates up to go into kb ramp that's pretty much when garotte times out anyway?

[fervent jasper]

Which of these are we usually using in M+?

[blazing jewel]

my parse is for sure invalidated

[balmy condor]

mine does if you want to grab the rupture

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fallen forge]

ye im using yours rn but i need one more in my face lmao

ig i could copy the rupture wa in the core subgroup and figure it out

[balmy condor]

yeah like in a perfect world where things don't die within like 30 seconds:
0-18 is just opener garrotes
15-18ish you get more bleeds out from dance, kingsbane starts ticking for 14 seconds
30ish you vanish at the end of kingsbane, which gives you 10 more seconds of carnage

those bleeds end up lasting like a full minute

[worn igloo]

ok that makes more sense

I'm adapting from Outlaw's 6s crackshot windows to Assa's 3s subt 10s IC windows :P

[grand trail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

kinda glossed over this, gonna need to be more specific with what trinket

[fervent jasper]

Do we play with SD in M+?

[gusty mirage]

yes

you play with shadow dance everywhere

[fervent jasper]

Are these the correct M+ talents?

[spice spire]

What if he meant sudden demise

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

what if you just went to bed

[spice spire]

Only if you’re there too

[junior aurora]

drowning in energy until you're fighting a 2target pack

then its feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

yeh but if you're fighting a 2 target pack you're a loser anyway

[junior aurora]

ok buddy you pull more mobs in that throne of the tides gauntlet lol

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

and then you just kingsbane one and you're vibing again

[drifting cosmos]

With smart targeting, you don’t need to tab swap now do you?

Just ggg on the same target?

[balmy condor]

I mean technically you do, it's main target + 2, so you'd just be spam refreshing your main target

but sure yeh

[junior aurora]

itll lose you 2 applications but

[balmy condor]

close enough

[junior aurora]

doesn't really matter a lot of the time

[drifting cosmos]

Yea if target counts are smaller, ok thanks

Good change but still need to get used to this

[fallen raven]

oh huh is there only one neck from m+

[stiff knot]

Anyone know what the range of IC and Spatter are?

[balmy condor]

ic is 10 around target, 8 around caster spatter is 12

[stiff knot]

Sweet thanks

[eternal heath]

Feel like I am gonna be wasting crests doing like +10-12 Falls lol

[worn igloo]

Honestly, viewing it this way with the whole "don't overstress about bleed debuffs, the spec cadence kind of plays around them already" made it feel a lot more comfortable pretty quickly

[balmy condor]

glad to hear you cloaked off the mental debuff

nasty debuff that one is

[eternal heath]

I need to do that next

[worn igloo]

I'm prejudiced against assa from some very toxic players in the past

[balmy condor]

its thematic

[eternal heath]

I feel like I shouldn't even queue for Fall if another rogue is in the group lol

[worn igloo]

So I gotta deal with that baggage before I feel like I could enjoy the spec. For the moment it might be assa for raid, outlaw for m+

[surreal citrus]

blizz pls fix dawn keys in party finder tia

[balmy condor]

do it anyways, loot the dagger, /wave at the guy, and hearth out

just to assert dominance

that's another rogues spirit you just crushed

[eternal heath]

While he does like 30% more dps than me :^)

[balmy condor]

1 less rogue to parse against

[eternal heath]

true

[balmy condor]

eliminate the competition

[eternal heath]

pad parses outside of raid

[surreal citrus]

I haven't found another rogue all day doing fall

found several tanks applying for +16s with no experience of the dungeon beforehand though

[eternal heath]

Feel like I am seeing rogues in half the ones when searching

lol

[surreal citrus]

tbf I'm not looking at the classes I just click join fast if there's anything more than a solo dps in there

[fervent jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[surreal citrus]

they fill up fast if there's a healer in there

my join rate has been pretty good though after clearing a 16 with guild

[eternal heath]

Oh yeah I just filter for groups that have healer and tank

And try to go no lower than 11

[surreal citrus]

same

[eternal heath]

only really been doing Fall this week tho

[surreal citrus]

no nick all day though

[eternal heath]

I got really lucky with a nick on like my 3rd run

Have gotten the pants, helm, boots, and 2x chest

[distant plinth]

Do you grind for 2 or 1 in a go?😂

[surreal citrus]

not even super fussed about two right now just give me one and I'll use a crafted for my mh next week

[eternal heath]

Lol at this point I may just go until another nick and trinket

I want to but since I skipped S2, my crafted patch item is shit

[distant plinth]

453ilvl and i still run around with 437 daggers

Haha

[eternal heath]

So I have 424 bracers and a 415 belt with 460 bracers in bag

[surreal citrus]

oof

[eternal heath]

Almost replaced

[rotund oak]

u should just farm the ilvl in general.U need wrist,waist,neck,two rings and high ilvl wpnsSpamming 1 dungeon is bad

[distant plinth]

Juicy

[fervent jasper]

Can someone link the Kingsbane WA everyone seems to love so much?

[eternal heath]

Yeah that's fair

[distant plinth]

You only need a big mainhand and the offhand doesnt give thaaaaaat much yea ?

[surreal citrus]

offhand nick is still really nice

[rotund oak]

u need everything u can get that gives more agility

and stats in general

415ring

..

2 whatever trinekts

[eternal heath]

Yeah the trinkets are ass lol

[rotund oak]

and still no 16 for aspect crests and/or 18s for optimal GV ilvl

[eternal heath]

Honestly I hadnt been going for much high stuff because I have still been learning sin and didnt wanna just sandbag

[rotund oak]

also,is that neck upgraded?

[eternal heath]

It is not

[rotund oak]

nice coz i was going to rip my eyes from my eyesockets

[eternal heath]

lmaoo

[surreal citrus]

I did a couple 16s this week I'm not worried about aspect crests until next reset when I'll have 2pc at least and a yummy vault item

[eternal heath]

fair

The only crests I have spent have been on wep I believe

[surreal citrus]

I slammed 60 crests into a branch

[drifting cloud]

enchants your chest and legs, thats -300 agi

[surreal citrus]

worth

[eternal heath]

Yeah I just got the chest drop so hadnt grabbed a new one but forgot about legs

Also looks like BRH for rings

[rotund oak]

thats dope

i did 4 EBs only didnt see one

[surreal citrus]

I did 13 for mine

[rotund oak]

makes sense

[surreal citrus]

got every other item before branch

[rotund oak]

i tried to pump my ilvl a bit

[eternal heath]

chest and legs enchanted

Prob filter for Fall, BRH, and EB

[surreal citrus]

bm hunter in the run asked me for it I laughed and hearthed

[eternal heath]

Although I need to learn these dungeons still

[rotund oak]

if u get into 16s u are gucci for next week most likely

u need crests

[eternal heath]

Should find a quick rundown of the bosses since I am unfamiliar

I was super casual prior to DF

Think my highest key was like a 6 or something lol

[rotund oak]

i tried to do keys as sub,my average overalls where about 130ish

[dapper fractal]

whats the point os this talent build if it does less dmg?

[rotund oak]

swapped to assa now im like 150s

[dapper fractal]

i got it from suncreation +22

subcreation*

[rotund oak]

utility

[dapper fractal]

oh?

what utility it has out of curiousity lol

[rotund oak]

irowire

[balmy condor]

that just looks like a standard hybrid build

what's weird about that

[rotund oak]

yes and its the standard build

[dapper fractal]

standard m+ build isnt that tho

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh kinda is

[dapper fractal]

thast from wowhead

[balmy condor]

there's 2 builds

[dapper fractal]

ah

[balmy condor]

that's one of them

[junior aurora]

whispyr pulling his hair out every night

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythicplus-build-arterial-shock

there's 3 builds listed

[slate crown]

Personally I don't like hybrid because it takes poison bomb and I've found that poison bomb's animation covers some spell effects and its very large

[balmy condor]

shock, hybrid, and a very utility focused one

[slate crown]

which is annoying

Shock avoids that

[balmy condor]

there's paragraphs talking about each one

[rotund oak]

i find the ''hybrid'' whispyr said the best

[fervent jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rotund oak]

Sin Tier btw ❤️

[dapper fractal]

so this to be best?

[slate crown]

But that's my personal preference. That's why we have options! Thank you mr Whispyr for compiling multiple viable options into one place.

[balmy condor]

it's one of the two that are considered best

[dapper fractal]

ah

[balmy condor]

there's no real difference between shock and hybrid

they just kinda do their thing

[dapper fractal]

ye

[balmy condor]

and end up being a wash

[fallen knoll]

If only they switched acrobatic talent with the snd healing I'd be a happy person again

[marble hemlock]

I also hate to be the one but... You should not use subcreation, generally speaking.

[void mesa]

I guess shock is less reliant on KB windows and more on bleeds? Since AP over DTB

[marble hemlock]

It's better to refer to guides written by actual human beings with research/sims backing them up, instead of using a site that pmuch only uses data aggregation.

[thorny pond]

Gonna aggregate all my stupid 22 runs with mongoloid builds

Think twist the knife is good or sum thing

[surreal citrus]

based

[junior aurora]

who even needs iron wire

[rotund oak]

subcreation is where Fotm rollers cope

😄

[thorny pond]

Perma silence big pulls 🤔

Perma silence little pulls

[manic anvil]

should i only envenom when it falls off?

[fervent jasper]

Best race for assa M+?

still dwarf?

[fallen knoll]

iron wire is lowkey giga strong, aoe silence, dmg red for the tank, for m+ u dum dum if you ain't taking it

[thorny pond]

“But I could do like 1% more damage with another talent”

[balmy condor]

so true

I could take doomblade instead

[fallen knoll]

I always envisioned sin to be more of a 'utility' spec you bring into m+ rather than for the damage, wire shroud blind tricks, but if people need that 1% dopamine whatever floats their boat

[rotund oak]

but its both

[oak sky]

1% wins championships

[junior aurora]

how many people in the world wish they were a 1%er

[thorny pond]

The people not taking IW for more damage would be better served learning to play 2% better and taking IW

[runic hinge]

I'm a 1%er, if you look at the bottom

Or if you look at assasination rogues last season

[junior aurora]

elite company

[runic hinge]

lmao that's 2875

[fervent jasper]

Do we take Arterial Dragon Tempered in M+?

Art seems better but Dragon is being recommended by Youtube

[runic hinge]

You can play either

[steel spire]

Doomblade build where

[surreal citrus]

people begging for 1% on their build lose their minds when the highest io rogue last season was a vulpera

[fallen forge]

time to race swap to vulpera

[surreal citrus]

[steel spire]

[fervent jasper]

If you take tempered blades then you play Deadly, wound, anthrophic, and numbing?

[runic hinge]

Deadly, amp

[surreal citrus]

god imagine if we could take atrophic and numbing

[fervent jasper]

I don't see how it competes with Arterial for DPS

Is PB that much DPS?

[junior aurora]

you're doubling your poison applications

[runic hinge]

Yes, and more poison procs for KB

[junior aurora]

for KB

and lethal dose

your KB will hit harder with dtb build so it relies more on spatter spread

[fervent jasper]

What is generally recommended?

[junior aurora]

either one bud

[oak tangle]

yes

[fervent jasper]

They're that similar

which is easier to play then?

[oak tangle]

the playstyle does not change

[fallen knoll]

art if you need more aoe dragon for more st, simple

[junior aurora]

i dont even think its that simple

they sim very similarly in both

its literally play either build

[drifting cloud]

so simple, proceeds to write a wrong statement

the classic

[oak tangle]

play both, see which one you do better with, go with that

[junior aurora]

arterial has blindside so you have procs and dtb does not

thats like the only difference

[fallen knoll]

if I'm wrong, the whispyr is wrong, so

[drifting cloud]

this doesnt say what you said

[fervent jasper]

You always take Flying Daggers in M+ right?

[balmy condor]

no

[fervent jasper]

Oh thank God it's Whispyr.

[balmy condor]

it is me

[fervent jasper]

What would you play

or better yet

what would Ryfie play

[balmy condor]

damn its like

I wrote a guide about this

or something

idk

[fervent jasper]

Drunk

help a guy out

[balmy condor]

then play that

that's one of the guide builds

[fervent jasper]

But you said don't take Flying Daggers

[balmy condor]

no, I said you don't always take flying daggers

[fervent jasper]

Do you usually take it?

[surreal citrus]

[balmy condor]

when I play that build I take it cause it's part of that build

[fallen knoll]

explain to me that what I wrote is different than what is on the wowhead guide, please, genuinely curious

[fervent jasper]

What's the best "generic" build

[balmy condor]

that one

[fervent jasper]

What would you change and when?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't

I play that build

that's why it's the generic build

[fervent jasper]

When would I drop flying daggers?

[balmy condor]

when you play the other build

[fervent jasper]

so there's 2

[balmy condor]

yes

again this is in the guide

[fervent jasper]

what's different between this and the other?

link guide plz

[oak tangle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[upbeat pebble]

Check the pins

[fervent jasper]

Which one is Whyspers?

[oak tangle]

wowhead

[balmy condor]

this is why I drink

[steel ridge]

its those moments

[junior aurora]

whispyr dming realz "change the rework back i can't handle it anymore"

[steel ridge]

when fotm appear

[balmy condor]

just hit me with a 15% aura nerf man

get me out

[dapper fractal]

what ilvl is safe to take off old tier?

[oak tangle]

i feel like changing the rework back would cause more havoc for whispyr, not sure he'd be able to take it

[balmy condor]

what ilvl is lfr

[dapper fractal]

well i dont have any new tier yet

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slate crown]

441 min I think

[balmy condor]

yeah pog

so lfr then

[steel ridge]

Then whydo you ask

[fallen knoll]

not really about the ilvl as long as you get the tier bonuses

[balmy condor]

okay so then why would you take off old tier?

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor what is worse. fotm repetetive questions, or pre rework dooming

[dapper fractal]

because im paranoid of loosing old tier even if all thsoe slots are 460 lol

[balmy condor]

why are you paranoid of losing old tier

just don't unequip it

[dapper fractal]

idk?> thought it would eb big dng loss

dmg

[balmy condor]

it is

thats why you don't break your tier

until you get new tier

[fallen knoll]

it's big dmg loss if you get rid of the tier lol

[steel ridge]

people are people

[balmy condor]

if you don't have new tier, don't break it

nothing to be paranoid about here

[dapper fractal]

even if those peices are non tier 460+ ilvl?

ah

[balmy condor]

brother you'd need like ilvl 520 pieces

[junior aurora]

you can also just sim it

[balmy condor]

to break your tier bonus

[dapper fractal]

lmao

[drifting cloud]

you said dtb does more st, which it doesnt

[balmy condor]

tier is like 6-7% upgrade versus not having it

520 sounding a little low

now that I consider it

maybe 600

[dapper fractal]

i was lazy last season so im stuck with 418 ilvl mixed tier

[oak tangle]

unironically, if you desperately need a tier piece, do the dreamsurge and the time rift, you can catalyse 450 pc's to old tier

[steel ridge]

Fotm spotted

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[dapper fractal]

but ill use a new charge right?

[fervent jasper]

@balmy condor Reading your guide it doesn't say which build to take and when. It almost reads like you only take the Arterial build on Raging weeks. Is the "hybrid" build better generally?

[balmy condor]

they're both equally insufferable for different reasons

[oak tangle]

no

[drifting cloud]

and it also say it does more aoe WHEN NECESSARY, which well is kinda obvious since youre tied to 1min cd

[junior aurora]

not if it converts to old tier

[dapper fractal]

wait what

holy hell really?

uhh

interesting

[oak tangle]

make sure you use flightstones to get them to 450 first

then catalyse for lurking spectres

[dapper fractal]

wait so u can still get old tier, didnt even know

[balmy condor]

It highlights that arterial is useful on raging weeks and lists arterial as the first build, but it doesn't say which build to take and when cause they're both equally good always

[steel ridge]

you know nothing jon snow

[balmy condor]

there's no major difference between the two

that's why they're both recommended

I can't say when to pick one over the other cause it's literally just "idk pick one"

[worn fossil]

Someone posted graphics about the Stat destribution between the speccs, did someone save that?

[drifting cloud]

520 ilvl is alot of agi, you fraud

[oak tangle]

if you can't tell when you'd want to use one over the other, chances are high you won't need to pick one over the other, so flip a coin and stick with one you like

[slate crown]

not as much as 600 ilvl

[drifting cloud]

true

[balmy condor]

yeah but like 25 ilvl on my chest is 1%

idk

the scaling probably carries hard

idk how out of control it goes past like 500

point is, fuckton of ilvl

[drifting cloud]

the ilvl tech seems to be confusing a lot more people than I thought

like .. its never been a thing, I guess in legion you had those broken nh 2p bonuses

that were beating antorus for some classes

lol

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

I put it in bold

right at the top of the section

but reading I guess xdlmaokekw