assassination

[slate crown]

and the burst area ends after whatever number of GCDs

[simple ore]

what is wrong with m+ pug groups atm lol, can't even get into 17s as rogue

[slate crown]

but it's not like randomly placed spells you ahve to memorize

[arctic hare]

I was a bit confused too

[haughty flicker]

you get 3 casts in subterfuge

[slate crown]

3 globals

[past forum]

So just chill a moment on 4th goobal

Global

[slate crown]

Or just spam it and don't move off it to the next spell

[haughty flicker]

spam the shit out of it

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-sneaky-dont-mind-passing-by-gif-22454640

[slate crown]

It happens to some people

[slate crown]

It happens to me as well, I just have my same bar between stealth/non stealth and so it never hiccups tho

[slow sluice]

I waited for 2 hours earlier today. Some times you just go into meta slave hours

[slate crown]

But back when I didn't, I had it happen so I know what you're talking about

[simple ore]

literally trying to just do galakrond's, already done a 20, still can't get in to 17s lol, it's insane

[slim hamlet]

But we are the meta

imagine other classes trying to get into a group

[slate crown]

Yeah I can't get into any groups at all

[simple ore]

we're not really meta in m+ tbh, especially not this week when there are better classes for incorp

[slim hamlet]

Me neither

[torpid willow]

Yeah, still trying to process it but... i have real hard time to maintain Rupture, Garrote, and track the uptime of Deathmark, Kingsbane.... Suddenly, Kingsbane is finished, i didn't use Thistle Tea, Vanish was out of my mind... Still fighting TrainingsDummy to make it mine

[simple ore]

DH and Aug are locked in meta, and third will usually be ranged

[slate crown]

I'm only like 1700 which isn't like insane but it's clearly competent

[slim hamlet]

I mean I am topping dmg in legit every single dungeon no matter which classes i play with

[haughty flicker]

i mean sin is still the least played spec in m+ atm according to raider.io

[slim hamlet]

And seems like most are

[haughty flicker]

so idk if its meta

[slow sluice]

Like I have literally 700 more score above the key holder and still get declined when I’m the first person to sign

[slate crown]

yeah same

[haughty flicker]

but it is very good

very very good

[lucid rain]

20 brh, aug evoker

[gusty mirage]

I'd take you to all my keys lisonna

:3

[slim hamlet]

What about me

[slate crown]

Here's something that may help you during kingsbane: https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[slim hamlet]

the fuck

[haughty flicker]

ignore this btw the chart is still old af

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-hi-bye-cat-gif-5848836

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sunny-frank-gif-19992615

[slim hamlet]

[torpid willow]

Oh nice, was searching some WA. Thanks for that my good man

[next ledge]

If I max it out now, will that really delay my ilvl progression with the crests?

[slow sluice]

The best feeling when you convince someone to invite you and then you smack the meters just to shut them up 😂

[slim hamlet]

People living under a rock thinking sin is still bad in m+

As a wise man once said "what if sin meta m+"

[slate crown]

Basically if you're spamming 19+s you'll eventually get a natural 470 drop, and if you get that x2 then you'll have filled that slot and can basically upgrade that item "for free" is why you wait on upgrading it to 470

but like, honestly, I wouldn't delay upgrading big ticket items like Time dagger or Branch

[eternal heath]

Yeah that has been my struggle as well

[simple ore]

ye hell naw I slammed upgrades on my branch the moment I got it lol

[eternal heath]

Just running like +10-12 Fall for dagger and trinket

Then planning to just upgrade it

[south prawn]

guys

can i macro SD and KB together or is it stupid?

[slate crown]

Yes you can and many people do.

[simple ore]

ye do it

[south prawn]

thx boys

[copper musk]

upgrade branch to 483 or nick to 476?

[eternal heath]

I do for raid but prefer separate for M_

[rotund oak]

wpns come 1st

[slim hamlet]

https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl

[copper musk]

true boi

[simple ore]

ahhhhh I finally get an invite and it's to fucking rise lmao

[south prawn]

im thinking SIN for raid mainly and outlaw for m+ so i think macro is the play

[slate crown]

I mean I don't know, Sin is pretty great in M+ too

[south prawn]

ye but gamba

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dice-wind-mill-dice-dancer-dancing-cool-dice-chris-timmons-gif-13865860

[haughty flicker]

see big mob

[slate crown]

Oh, I see

[haughty flicker]

kingsbane big mob

profit

[torpid willow]

I have a remaining question, about Shiv. Do we have to always maintain it or just prioritize it during Deathmark/Kingsbane ?

[slate crown]

You only use it during DM/Kb

for ST

In keys you can be a bit more flexible with it if you are using the Arterial build, though even then you want to have 2 charges for Kb

[copper musk]

feels like wast upgrading wep tho since its not hero

[torpid willow]

Ok thanks

[slate crown]

But KB has a 1min CD, shiv has 30s CD and 2 charges = 60s Cd effectively for using both in a row

So, yeah, together always

[torpid willow]

And how many Rupture/Garrote should we apply in key ? If i understand the Wowhead Guide correctly, it's 2 for 4-6 opponents and 3 for +7 ?

[hexed willow]

Yeah cause with IC it’s hitting 2 additional

[sudden trench]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent dawn]

Anyone else lowkey not anjoy Dream Council? Can't get off a full CD window with these fuckers moving so much lol

[hexed willow]

So if there are 5, double tapping garrote applies it to all 5. But if there’s 6 you want to tab to an ungarroted

[tight atlas]

Yall like the hybrid build or shock build more for aoe? Might try sin tonight in some keys 😬😬😬

[manic quartz]

testing the arterial build atm, did 230k overall in +18 at 449 ilvl

[manic quartz]

im lazy and just get 3x garrotes on same target so its total 7 targets

[wet kernel]

why the ST opener not say to re apply rupture after using Deathmark?

[torpid willow]

When you're saying double tapping, does it mean you can apply Two Garrote on the same target and it smart on the other opponent or do you have to switch target ?
And when Garotte is fading, you apply it one more time with Shadow Dance or Vanish ? Do we garrote out of stealth ? Cause, if no SD or Vanish is up, you don't benefit IC and so... It became complicated to maintain it on a lot of target

[slate crown]

I like shock build (with blindside), but anecdotally people seem to not notice a difference between them.

[twin plume]

how bad is it to play with 0 haste, sub gear from last season

for m+

[slate crown]

Because you don't need to for Deathmark, it duplicates existing bleeds within it, and also it does refresh rupture during vanish subterfuge at the end of DM, last I checked

[manic quartz]

doesnt really matter, stats wont make huge difference

[wet kernel]

I see. Thanks

[slate crown]

Oh I guess it doesn't refresh rupture during vanish in the guide

[flint lotus]

New assa here. Is Ambush ever used without blindside, or is Mutilate better in stealth?

[slate crown]

Either way, it isn't needed, NS boosted rupture isn't super important

[manic quartz]

ambush = more dmg, mut = possibly more poison procs

[manic quartz]

difference is minimal

[flint lotus]

Alrighty!

[slate crown]

It's basically a wash. The general expectation is to use Ambush as your builder if you can in dance/subterfuge. There's a slight optimization (like 0.1%) where you can use Mutilate during Deathmark+Kingsbane instead of ambush.

Or you can just use ambush instead

if you don't want to think about that and it'll be fine

[flint lotus]

Alright, sweet! Thanks!

[cursive frost]

is ashes likely a better trinket for prog over branch?

[manic quartz]

i made macros that play sound for myself for KB, tea and vanish timers because im dirty boomer

[slate crown]

wait

Macros that play sound?

[manic quartz]

sorry WA xD

[slate crown]

Oh ok I was like what

Nothing wrong with that, my timer lets you enable a sound for the Vanish tick

I don't use it but it's in there

[manic quartz]

yeah im using yours

[versed mica]

So I'm assuming branch trinket is required for sin to be competitive with the other specs yeah?

[manic quartz]

i react to sounds far faster than visuals

[heavy locust]

Do we keep t30 4p until we have t31 4p? Or can we do 2 and 2

[spice surge]

Do 2+2

[lofty junco]

whats that weird F rank icon i see thjere https://i.imgur.com/CyrrRop.png

[spice surge]

But you can sim it

[versed mica]

Sub propaganda

[next ledge]

ok ok, ty ❤️

[spice surge]

Well the spec is unplayable with 2p

Because it ninja pulls

[haughty flicker]

yeah that bug is fucked

really sucks that it hasnt been fixed yet

[lofty junco]

can't we get that weird outlaw 1 rank below

A stands for Assassination

[versed mica]

Outlaw 2pc from last season pulling via nelth suffering trinket and rage pot was never fixed

[haughty flicker]

thats still a lot less impactful than just aoe pulling shit for fun just by having 2pc equipped

afaik you had to actively have the thing targetted for outlaw tier to pull and only if those things also happened to proc at the same time

[balmy condor]

spec good

[soft shale]

fire mage pog

[willow vine]

sin is so fun

[soft shale]

COMBOOST

[vapid skiff]

ass is based in keys

[fallen raven]

that blindside arterial build is real fun

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[slate crown]

what key

[real stirrup]

Where does Garrote go when you're in Kingsbane straightaway or in the last 3 seconds?

[balmy condor]

was a 20 everbloom

[balmy condor]

both

the first is in dance

the second is in vanish

[runic hinge]

What spec

[real stirrup]

thanks

[runic hinge]

Or talents

Build

[slate crown]

[gusty mirage]

I think he was playing ret pally bro

[runic hinge]

Fuck this headache is killing me

[balmy condor]

just stock standard shock

[runic hinge]

Ret is fun. In an end of patch meme brain off kind of way

[hexed willow]

Any logs?

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

logs

for keys

that's the most outlaw question ever

[junior aurora]

you call it a shock build yet do not play elemental shaman, curious

[haughty flicker]

thats fine neither does anyone else

[thorn fjord]

Only done doti 7 times and I already feel burnt out

[gusty mirage]

bro

that dungeon

is actually a bag of dicks

both of them

just awful

[thorn fjord]

It’s so not fun and people just go brain dead on last boss

[gusty mirage]

oh

pro tip

don't take a shaman to your galakrond's

[sage cargo]

Guys, this might be a stupid question

do I need to choose poisons when simming?

[slate crown]

no

[distant plinth]

Which lvl of the key drops champion items? Is it 9-16?

[gusty mirage]

their frostshock cleave pulls the little elementals, and you're stuck in combat with them until you knock em out with the dispel

[thorn fjord]

Had a tank almost chew my head right off over the sub bug

[sage cargo]

can I see where it chooses with poison is most optimal for me?

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[junior aurora]

did you talent into the poison

[gusty mirage]

amp > deadly >>>>>> instant >>>>>>> No Poisons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wound

always

[junior aurora]

if so then its probably optimal for you

[gusty mirage]

in every situation

[distant plinth]

Thanks bro❤️

[junior aurora]

what about sanguine weeks

[haughty flicker]

blizz needs to just make deadly poison replace instant

[slim hamlet]

Pretty good to learn new dungeons in a season tbf

[tropic tundra]

Wound for mental health

[gusty mirage]

I will ban you

[gusty mirage]

but what if you wanna play TtK instead of amp poison?

[sage cargo]

as a new ass player, would you recommend going arterial precision or hybrid build+

[haughty flicker]

then get fucked

i guess

[gusty mirage]

fair

[junior aurora]

either is fine

they play the same

[tropic tundra]

Man sanguine waycrest was the worst wow experience and we got to do that shit again

[sage cargo]

is it normal, that If eel I run out of energy a lot in my opener?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[sage cargo]

or am I just using my energy too fast?

feels weird not having adrenaline rush man xd

[slim hamlet]

They both play the same

[sage cargo]

it's such a different feel

[slim hamlet]

well it's a different spec

[sage cargo]

well yeah, but sub somehow felt similar in a way

idk

[junior aurora]

old sub did

new sub is much closer to sin

[sage cargo]

ah interesting

Would you guys recommend catalysting ap iece of gear for quick 2p

or shouuld I just hold on till next week?

to see vault

[junior aurora]

see vault

[slim hamlet]

Smart is wait vault, based is to craft now

[junior aurora]

crafting =/= catalyzing

you can craft boots now

[slim hamlet]

I know

[junior aurora]

but best to wait until next week to catalyze anything just in case you get same pieces in vault

[slim hamlet]

I feel like it's obvious I am not talking about profession crafting when we talkign catalyst and tier

[sage cargo]

When if I finish the opener that's listed for m+ / AoE in the wowhead rotation section

what do I do while waiting for CDs to come up agaiN+

[slim hamlet]

keep bleeds up for scent and energy more or less

if u got time spatter it up with envenoms

[spark rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[real stirrup]

Spatter is such a naughty word

[vapid skiff]

there is a section for that too in the wowhead rotation there is opener and a general priority without cds

[livid mesa]

use finishers on 4 or more or 5 or more cp???

[bleak ivy]

first ever recording of BM getting mogged

[slim hamlet]

splashing something with poison

[slim hamlet]

how the fuck did your druid deal legit 0 dmg in a dungeon

[bleak ivy]

Hes dogshit

[vapid skiff]

classic healer

[slim hamlet]

[bleak ivy]

we quit because of him

he went afk

average pug

[slim hamlet]

I don't think I have ever seen 0 dmg healer outside leveling dungeons

[bleak ivy]

he dced after getting pressed by tank

[strange python]

Like when do we use ambush instead of mutilate?

is it better?

[balmy condor]

12 mil total damage lmao that's one pull

[strange python]

lol especially as a druid

just moonfire/sunfire

something, randomly

[slim hamlet]

Didn't look at that

Anyways 0 dmg

[deft vault]

i am now at 41 dungeon and still only 1 item drop. I hate this game

[bleak ivy]

ye its a single pull

[strange python]

dude maybe you're on the "i pissed blizz off on the forums" list

[modest sundial]

I’m watching rwf and kush is holding shadowdance till the end of kingsbane is this better for dps?

[strange python]

Do use ambush instead of mutilate in stealth, and shadow dance?

[deft vault]

idk but im 100% getting trolled

[plush gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[strange python]

I think i made blizz mad, so they take my rolls and just -30 to them

[slim hamlet]

He is indeed

[strange python]

prolly an old list from like 3 xpacs ago, but they forgot to take me off it

[bleak ivy]

Me and the boys waiting for Hearthstone cd afteer druid ragequit

[misty kernel]

if sm1 have 1 dagger only nick of time he can trade or need x2 ?

[slim hamlet]

For trinkets you need both slots higher ilvl to trade if that's what u mean

99% sure same for daggers too

[bleak ivy]

branch and what else is bis

hourglass?

[slim hamlet]

pips or signet

[modest sundial]

He hasn’t this pull not sure if he can as holding vanish for a mechanic maybe

[eternal heath]

The pins are a click away friend

[bleak ivy]

not hard to type 1 word

[slim hamlet]

idk he is using vanish with DM like it's 10.1

[bleak ivy]

are instant dollars streaming rn

[modest sundial]

Oh yeah he is still holding dance on the kingsbane without vanish it seems

[slim hamlet]

Idk if I am missing something

[eternal heath]

[bleak ivy]

face reveal?

didint ask for it

[proud cosmos]

is there a bug with losing stealth in keys?

[craggy river]

holy fuck keys sin pumps wtf

[slim hamlet]

yea trinket usage, sark cloak, aug legendary buff falling off

I believe

[silver summit]

what stats should i make on lifebound crafted piece?

[proud cosmos]

ah i was defo getting trolled by sark cloak earlier

[slim hamlet]

Why would u make a lifebound crafted piece

[bleak ivy]

Gotham needs me

[humble ginkgo]

you hold dance for last 3 sec of KB when u dont have vanish right?

[slim hamlet]

nah

[silver summit]

isnt toxic boots with patch the go-to?

[humble ginkgo]

hm ok

[wild beacon]

yeah it's a new age

[slim hamlet]

yes but patch doesn't scale with ilvl, boots does

[mighty elm]

No

[silver summit]

so i need to craft lifebound piece with season 2 mats no?

[thick schooner]

Do we have any way to deal with Unbound Goliath in WCM? Can't vanish, evasion, or cloak it...

[harsh galleon]

Is it worth macroing sd to kb I see a lot of rogues using sd while kb has 4-6 secs left instead

[slim hamlet]

tree boss right?

[bleak ivy]

yeah it is

[slim hamlet]

race change human or yell at healer

[bleak ivy]

Horde can refer to 2nd option

[thick schooner]

ya

[harsh galleon]

Any1 know answer to question above ?

My kb damage been low so trying to see what I’m doing wrong

[slate crown]

If there's something you're doing wrong, it isn't that

You can macro them together and go Dance ,then vanish the end

rather than vanishing first

[slim hamlet]

RWF people seem to be using vanish for snapshotting KB and dance at the end instead

[keen spruce]

macro is fine

[slate crown]

All of them?

Or only some of them?

[keen spruce]

idk about NA but the echo guys were

it doesn't mattter

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[keen spruce]

I assure you

[slate crown]

Yeah

[empty hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

I mean if you use shadowdance at the end of KB - you get 3 more seconds on the (increase crit chance) ticks. It makes sense. As for math, not sure how it works out. Logic dictates that it should be more.

[keen spruce]

that equals 1 extra tick

[slim hamlet]

The weird thing is not snapshotting KB every non dm kb

[strange python]

I think it's just way easier to dance each KB - at the start. Because you don't have vanish up for all of them.

[slim hamlet]

idc what is easier

[keen spruce]

it's not better

it's just different

[strange python]

I mean depending how the math works out - maybe no one should care

I mean it has to be better mathematically.

[keen spruce]

no it doesn't

there's trade offs

[slim hamlet]

They're not doing it for no reason, just trying to find out why

[strange python]

you have more crit chance on the stronger ticks. Mathematically, over tens of thousands of iterations, that's gonna make a difference. How slight is anyone's guess.

[slate crown]

No it doesn't, because you are trading off NS boosting it during your off-KBs

[sharp elk]

how is everyone liking the sin aoe rotation?

[keen spruce]

it's not that simple

[slim hamlet]

Was thinking "maybe adds spawn at timer where with dance u could spread it" but that aint it

[rapid mirage]

We sim patchwork 1.5 min 8 Target for Dungeon?

[slim hamlet]

dungeon slice

[rapid mirage]

Dslice works now? hmm

[candid goblet]

tyvm sir

[slim hamlet]

has been

[strange python]

I mean the RWF dudes aren't doing it cause it's worse so

I don't buy that argument without math

[sharp elk]

dslice works as it always has, loose approximation of dungeon aoe dps

in dungeons

[slate crown]

Honestly I don't even think it's that complicated. RWF people come up with their own sims right? they probably had their own ideas and that's just what theysettled on and the TCs here came up with something different and they're within margin of error and it's fine

[sharp elk]

dslice is not that great of a sim

[slim hamlet]

don't look at dungeonslice dps

look at % from changes in your build/gear

[rapid mirage]

Gotchya, thanks.

[slim hamlet]

But they didn't do that before now

afaik

idek if they're doing it outside this exact boss

[slate crown]

Which boss is it?

[strange python]

Not like our publicly available TC wasn't available to them. Whereas the opposite isn't necesarilly true.

[slim hamlet]

larodar, was thinking maybe add spawn that would fit with a later dance but nah

doesn't seem to be it

[strange python]

I haven't watched, hoenstly...I've just seen enough people today say they're "all doing it" to fairly-certainly believe that they are.

[slim hamlet]

wait

I might have an idea why

If it's this boss only (didnt see it on any others)

It might be cooked

But they're hitting enrage right

So I am guessing they might be trying to highroll KB crits as much as possible?

idk if that even makes sense I wrote it before thinking about it too much

[slate crown]

I mean that doesn't change the balance argument of what's worth more: 10% damage on your non-DM KB, or one extra KB tick with 30% crit during DM?

[strange python]

I mean I'm sure Whispyr and a lot of other folks can easily rewrite that opener in the APL and sim it.

[slate crown]

I guess, is LArodar's phasing % based?

Like is this a "Damage above last phase doesn't matter" thing?

I don't know much about the mythic fight or anything

[slim hamlet]

Can't remember but they need dmg in last phase no matter how it's triggered

Wait it's % based

at least normal heroic, suprised if it's different mythic

[wet dagger]

is legs our offpiece?

[slate crown]

So like if the fight is such that enrage during the last phase, in a case where that's all that matters, and your DM is what lands in that window, not your off-DM KB, then losing NS on that off-DM KB doesn't matter

[slim hamlet]

The real value of usin dance later is more of the later KB ticks being MA right

[slate crown]

That's waht I understand it to be yes

Idn I'm just guessing here

[runic hinge]

It’s one more tick

[slim hamlet]

idk we will see if they do it on other bosses and if it's just Kush

Perfecto doesn't have pov right?

[runic hinge]

We’re talking the difference of critting one earlier tick or one later

[slim hamlet]

Yes for the 2 min one

A lot more for no dm ones

[oak lagoon]

im guessing its better to use the branch with DM?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[slate crown]

Also like if the same players have changed behavior for this boss specifically and not earlier bosses, then that doesn't mean this method is like, best dps overall, it only means that they picked this method, for this boss specifically.

[timber meadow]

is "mythic track" just the one extra upgrade level you get on 18+?

[slim hamlet]

I have never said it is I keep saying I just wanna know why

[real stirrup]

mutilate automatically turns into ambush and you don't need ambush on your action bar?

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Dirty PI'er smh my head my head

[slate crown]

Yeah I don't think you were saying that, I'm mostly responding to concerns from people worried that doing it the other way is wrong, which I don't think you were expressing.

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

also wtf is that emote

Actually cursed

Anyways Whispyr now you are here can you help us understand if u are a knower

[rigid tartan]

Any thoughts which M+ build seems to be superior? The one with Blindside+Arterial or DTB?

[slim hamlet]

Everyone seems to be gaming arterial this week

[runic hinge]

Filthy m pluser

[balmy condor]

yeah

what do I know

[rigid tartan]

idk for me the arterial+blindside clicked more

[slate crown]

Mutilate automatically turns into Ambush when you have blindside procced. It does not automatically change based on if you are in stealth. For that you need to either use a stealth bar, use a macro, or just have different buttons for each

[balmy condor]

whats the question

[real stirrup]

Yeah just realised I need Ambush specifically from when in stealth

[thin meadow]

i dont understand how your crimson tempest is that high

i cant even use it, cuz im busy spreading all dots and shit

without even caring about crimson tempest lmao

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[pulsar dirge]

Change in rotation from RWF guys , why are they snapshoting late with dance

[balmy condor]

they aren't snapshotting

[real stirrup]

so after kingsbane and garrote in vanish, just keep mutilating (or ambushes) with envenom at 4+ and do it all again?

[slim hamlet]

We noticed some rwf gamers using vanish to snapshot KB and using dance last 6 seconds for MA instead, guessing you have tried something like this in testing, but do you know why?

[balmy condor]

yeah cause they don't listen to me

[pulsar dirge]

What are they doinggg ????

[slim hamlet]

We were cooking some possible reasons, but they're kidna meh

[balmy condor]

they think they know better

[slim hamlet]

oh

[balmy condor]

so they're doing that

[slim hamlet]

Well then

We cooked for no reason

[timber meadow]

if whispyr was on the team he'd show them!

[pulsar dirge]

Whispyr , I don't say that lightly , I trust you

[balmy condor]

I generally trust me

idk

we checked this a while ago

[slate crown]

I mean the part that is strange is just that the same players are doing it only for this boss, but not earlier bosses, if they thought they knew the best method then why wouldn't they be doing this on earlier bosses?

[balmy condor]

and it was clearly worse

but

it is what it is

[slate crown]

Like them doing it does not mean that it is generally better

[balmy condor]

if they think it's better

then they're gonna do it

[slim hamlet]

Yea was just doing a cook if that maybe gave them higher dps variance to try for max possible dmg since they were hitting enrage

But sounds cooked and I only thought about it for 2.5 seconds

[queen rain]

I've just started playing again and I was wondering what the deal is with the crafting items? Do we always just craft the boots with our first spark?

[pulsar dirge]

Are you sure it has nothing at all to do with add cleave assass one trick ??

[slim hamlet]

I am pretty sure that was first thing I looked at

and doesn't seem there is any adds where a different timing would make it make sense

[blazing jewel]

sin in 20+ feel goodge

[sharp falcon]

just played half a key forgetting to slice and dice

[slim hamlet]

I just wanna spam keys but my guild and me is cursed to forever manors and rise

[sharp falcon]

why dont they delete this yet

[rough fog]

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[strange python]

you just gotta cast it once

[slim hamlet]

I was just about to say that

[blazing jewel]

delete council

[strange python]

man what would i do with an extra keybind

[slim hamlet]

You should try one of the weakauras above Realz

I would just keep it on my bars like IC and Sanguine blades

[sharp falcon]

whats wa

[slim hamlet]

Can't have holes in my bars

[sharp falcon]

me no has addon

[slim hamlet]

[blazing jewel]

outlaw after fan nerf

[stiff kernel]

Going from t30 to t31 whats the dps % difference?

[slim hamlet]

huh

[stiff kernel]

Like in an imaginary world say you had two characters equally geared same ilvl (we're pretending T31 and T30 are the same ilvl right now) Which character is coming out ahead on damage, T31, or T30

[slim hamlet]

Did the link get insta deleted or my discord exploding

[balmy condor]

me insta delete

[slim hamlet]

how come

Anyways @stiff kernel U can do a gear compare with the tier pieces at same ilvl as what u got in that slot now

to see

[unique sorrel]

any of yall remember the website that lets you look up when people use their CDs on raid fights?

[strange python]

warcraftlogs?

[dark token]

Lorrrgs.io

[unique sorrel]

thats it

[slim hamlet]

I know which site u talking about but no name

[unique sorrel]

lorrgs

[slim hamlet]

oh

easy

[brittle gull]

im new to this version of sin just returning kinda and im just confused on deathmark every opener uses it abit further into the opener but wouldnt it be better to use it before garrote and rupture to get the full duration duplicated i must be missing something with this

[unique sorrel]

you refresh the empowered versions with dance

[slim hamlet]

Deathmark doesn't duplicate the bleeds like that

It duplicates the bleeds for the duration your deathmark is up

Doesn't matter what your garrote and rup durations are on, they're duplicated for as long as deathmark is up and no more

[balmy condor]

cause I say so

[dark token]

Echo rwf guys kinda

[slim hamlet]

Alright had oxi's and Zac's name on so didn't think it was issue

[brittle gull]

if i use deathmark on a garrote with 5s left it only duplicates it for 5s tho not the full deathmark duration

[dark token]

I keep saying this just cause a player can play amazing does not mean they can theorycraft worth shit

Been proven many times

[balmy condor]

don't give a shit if god damn jesus's name is on it

fuck that sheet

[bleak ivy]

what are we malding about?

[slate crown]

Deathmark basically opens up extra debuff slots which your bleeds are duplicated into. Your existing bleeds, and any new bleeds you apply. You still need to upkeep your bleeds during it, but it doesn't matter when, you just have to keep them applied like normal

[slow sluice]

Well you need to put a new garrote up

[brittle gull]

ohh my god duh ty nvm im dumb

i was over complicating it

[slate crown]

I mean on the first time reading it I can understand the confusion

Now, time to play queuing simulator 3000

[brittle gull]

i wish it was just vendetta still so bad

so easy lol

[slow sluice]

Just dont drop your bleeds to loose uptime

[slim hamlet]

Never played while vendetta was a thing but sounds like the most boring cd

[runic hinge]

You mean “your application has been denied” simulator

[slate crown]

I mean I didn't say I was very good at the simulator

[velvet ridge]

idk it feels just like vendetta, its just an extra dmg button, but this time instead of flat dmg, it increase synergy with rest of kit

but thats me

[keen spruce]

how many more everblooms do i need to do to get branch

I have gotten all other drops from there at 470

[slim hamlet]

at least 1

[junior aurora]

one more then you are going to run

[keen spruce]

and seen 3 drop for DHs

[slim hamlet]

pay them

[velvet ridge]

bro what is DH dmg in everbloom

they do double my dmg

[royal lantern]

today i learned

13%leech can keep you alive from ~40% to ~6% on the 2nd boss in Fall in a +17 key when the healer is dead

[slim hamlet]

How do u get into keys

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-jim-gaffigan-show-jim-gaffigan-jail-behind-bars-prison-gif-5627432

u apply

and they invite

[slim hamlet]

I am either in queuing simulator or keying with my guild which is only manor or rise

[keen spruce]

I don't think i've been declined from a key yet

[velvet ridge]

friendlist everyone, then guilt them by silently queueing for their key

[keen spruce]

this patch

[slate crown]

how

what

[slim hamlet]

[slate crown]

It's a curse

[keen spruce]

idk i have 2025 io and i'm signin up for 17s

[slate crown]

I got branch on my 2nd everbloom

and I've been forever cursed

to always be declined

[slim hamlet]

I am 3k last season and 1800 this season

[junior aurora]

yeah >2k io is a cheat code

[slate crown]

(Or rather, ghosted)

[slim hamlet]

And I sit in hours queue

[junior aurora]

bc the rest of the rogues probably hover 1700-1800

so you take the one with 2k io over them

[keen spruce]

getting ahead of the pack early

very nice

[slim hamlet]

My everbloom is the exact reason my io is low

only done an 11

[keen spruce]

makes the start to the season very cozy

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I’m at 1685 and it’s mostly queuing simulator

[slim hamlet]

Got a guildie that promised me a 19 but he aint gaming rigth now

[runic hinge]

Maybe I’m not that high

[slate crown]

All I got rn, throne and wcm holding me back

[keen spruce]

wcm very cozy timer

tree boss kind of annoying

[pure moth]

But the place sux

[velvet ridge]

just spent 20 secs in queue, got into a 17 everbloom

[keen spruce]

throne surprisingly not too bad

[velvet ridge]

whats the problem

[pure moth]

Ground animation pulls things from other rooms

[slim hamlet]

I like manor a lot but 50% of my keys has been it, it feels like

[royal lantern]

wanna do my +21 throne?

[velvet ridge]

throne is surprisingly really bad

[keen spruce]

those are outta time

rise is hardest i think

[keen spruce]

i have a 20 in my bags that's been collecting dust

[slim hamlet]

Rise and throne are like a tier above the rest in difficulty imo

[keen spruce]

if it ain't a bloom, I an't gonna coom

[slim hamlet]

[keen spruce]

bloomers only

[royal lantern]

im not even going for score

cus like

m+ lmao

just fall

suffering

it never stops

[slim hamlet]

Stuck on nick and branch simulator too

[junior aurora]

you do tree boss with aug?

[keen spruce]

a couple of times yeah

[royal lantern]

fuck augs rn lol

[keen spruce]

just pray it roots the aug

[royal lantern]

they are all dogshit

[junior aurora]

feels kinda undoable on a 20 if my other dps gets rooted

[royal lantern]

kjeys legit better without them

[slim hamlet]

^

Unironically

[keen spruce]

yeah i think augs are kinda bait

nothing dies

[royal lantern]

like

[boreal glacier]

what friend do you take with pip friendship badge ? crit or mast

[junior aurora]

bc i just dont have the prio damage to get them unrooted

[royal lantern]

every key with a aug takes so much longer

[velvet ridge]

waycrest root guy? impossible

with 1 dps

[slim hamlet]

Don't worry they buff aug next week

[velvet ridge]

with aug

[royal lantern]

• its such a free rio class that they all have no clue what they are doing

watching breath of eons go out

when no dps has cd's

cool

[slim hamlet]

That

THAT

[royal lantern]

incredible 290 dmg

[junior aurora]

man i get tilted bc the aug in my group sends breath at the end of a pack sometimes right before a boss

[slim hamlet]

Thought I was the only one going crazy

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-jim-gaffigan-show-jim-gaffigan-jail-behind-bars-prison-gif-5627432

[junior aurora]

“Use it or lose it”

[bleak ivy]

what is the timestrike stat?

[slim hamlet]

Popping breath on nothing

[velvet ridge]

race ya

[keen spruce]

we don't have a tank

[slim hamlet]

Just means u gotta do it faster when u got one

[royal lantern]

complicated version: a bit like multistrike

the easy version you actually need: dmg proc

like

its a dmg proc

thats it

[bleak ivy]

alright

thanks

[vapid skiff]

!wa

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[vapid skiff]

any1 got the kingsbane tracker WA?

[slim hamlet]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug this?

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[flint tusk]

you sleeping with that holy shit that was fast

[slate crown]

I made it a bookmark now

[keen spruce]

exiled just put up a request for helpers in an atal dazar

only outlaw stuff drops in there

[slim hamlet]

I mean I remember the name just searched it google

[flint tusk]

yeh James was doing it a lot also

[dark token]

I need a sudden demise tracker instead

[slim hamlet]

JPC is in one too

[flint tusk]

they're probs planning that for adds on fyrakk or something

[keen spruce]

they goin pirate

it's jover

:wrap it up boys

[dark token]

The more I play keys the less I play around kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

Chatters thinking it's for the trinket for dmg amp on smolderon

[boreal glacier]

do i need to do with the pips badge trinket or when i equip it its already giving me the stats

[flint tusk]

gonna be like some scuffed 3 DK grip cleave party on all the adds

[dark token]

It's more about the shadow dance bleed spread and big sudden demise proc with arterial

[keen spruce]

[torn peak]

whats the use of feint?

[dark token]

To live

[flint tusk]

no

to do a cool spinny thing

[torn peak]

how can i use it properly

[slate crown]

I've been wondering about that more, do you have a log where you are starting to do this?

[keen spruce]

press it before large aoe damage hits you

[slim hamlet]

By using it before any aoe dmg

[dark token]

Mydas is bis for sub as well fyi

I bet you we see some sub on last 3 bosses

[slim hamlet]

It aint bis but close

Sub seemed so good with timers for smolderon yea

[junior aurora]

we're already seeing sub on smolderon

it might be a better play than assassination, need to see how meters shake out after execute though

[slim hamlet]

Tindral seems perfect for sin tho

[spice surge]

Its great for sub too

[flint tusk]

the timers on tindral feel so good

[slim hamlet]

Right?

If it's same as on PTR at least

actually perfect

[dark token]

Why is liquid farming +9s

[junior aurora]

faster keys

[flint tusk]

fastest chests

[junior aurora]

to get trinkets

[dreamy edge]

are there any helpful macros for kingsbane build ? i use the KB SD macro already guessing there arent any others?

[slim hamlet]

They can get 476ilvl for free basically

[remote oak]

!wa

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[runic hinge]

Champ is only 7 ilvl below hero maxed. They can probably upgrade with flight stones at this point so probably more about just getting the trinket fast than getting it maxed

[vague dagger]

28 dawn runs, no signs of dagger/trinket yet ....

[tranquil berry]

which embelishment u guys went first for m+

[thorny pond]

Boots with the fur

[vague dagger]

with the fur

[candid goblet]

Boys how precise do we need to be with Vanish

somewhere between 3.0-2.0s left on KB?

or 4.0-3.0s

[flint tusk]

never over 3

[sullen mural]

has to be less than 3

otherwise u miss last tick

[candid goblet]

ahh

[flint tusk]

or you miss the last tick of kingsbane with master ass

[candid goblet]

thats where I was messing up sometimes

2.3, 2.5 , 2.7 etc. all fine then

[flint tusk]

only reason we're vanishing there is for the 30% crit amp

[flint tusk]

ye

[sullen mural]

I mean ideally 2.9 but ur not a robot

[candid goblet]

well the last two ticks happen at 2.0 and 0 secs left right

[vague dagger]

vanish when 2,9 remaining on kinsbane is best ye?

[clever perch]

Would you guys say pre-tier set assa > outlaw in m+?

[royal lantern]

pre-tierset is a meme anyway lol

like

[thorny pond]

Even after

[royal lantern]

its week1

[clever perch]

yea i know

[candid goblet]

assa vs. outlaw in m+ is completely a feels thing

[sullen mural]

Assa pumps in aoe people just dont know

[clever perch]

but im doing 20s so i just wanna know which spec would suit better xD

[candid goblet]

a lot of ppl can absolutely despise assa in m+

[clever perch]

glad to know ❤️

[candid goblet]

or outlaw overall

[tranquil berry]

what u cast after vanish?

[sullen mural]

If its always 8 target pulls outlaw clears

[clever perch]

with this build i guess?

[sullen mural]

if its more than 8 targets assa pulls ahead

So heavily depends on tank

[upbeat pebble]

Do you guys garrote>rupture after the vanish for kingsbane?

[candid goblet]

I'm just ripping at least 2 ambushes

dunno if its the right call though

[sullen mural]

U should refresh garrot and rupture

cuz it snapshots right

so more master assasin uptime

[candid goblet]

Idk if ambush applies poisons and stuff but if not

[candid goblet]

then ye probably

[spring locust]

is there a way to make details not reset upon vanish, I'm having a hard time practising

[remote oak]

Is enven > Garrote > Enven ok?

[candid goblet]

delete all your data and choose damage overall

[flint tusk]

yes.

snapshotting rupture was something super minor over envenom from what i recall

[sullen mural]

Some people run blindside over tiny toxic idk tho

no energy shiv is nice

[full summit]

So i have a question, for raiding. What should i run caustic splatter on? Like Gnarlroot? And whatever other bosses have some cleave or just not worth using?

[flint tusk]

i run it when ever there is any cleave at all

[sullen mural]

Larodar is also good to run caustic on

[solid void]

is improved garrote a different aura from regular garrote? trying to make a WA to track it

[sullen mural]

u could mabye use it in tindral but the roots probably die instantly

cuz dh's exsist

[full summit]

yeah, alright i was just curious thank youuu

[sullen mural]

and well, council cuz 2 target (mostly)

[full summit]

Yeah i thinking the same thing, alright

[upbeat pebble]

So in keys arterial shock build when are we using the first shiv? The second we always hold for kingsbane yeah?

[clever perch]

does decay patch scale with ilvl?

[candid goblet]

Btw during the very beggining of opener, why do we use 2 builders to cast Rupture? 3 cp Rupture already lasts long enough until the next Rup

[flint tusk]

no but the boots do

[slim hamlet]

No

[clever perch]

so should we rush boots embellishment ILVL RECRAFT asap?

or weapon

[keen spruce]

okay i've now officially gotten all other drops at 470 from bloom

besides trinket

[cinder scaffold]

how much difference is there between slimey and toxic boots for M+ specifically. No raiding

[full summit]

BLoom drops 470 gear?

[dark token]

What's the best talent point to drop if I wanna grab IC on the single target build like for council

[fast pilot]

weird question

[candid goblet]

I've seen people droppign dashing scoundrel

[spring locust]

oh man this is more complicated than i thought, i managed to get a 1,2m KB on a boss and now i'm trying max my KB damage on a dummy, but not getting close :S

[keen spruce]

blindside?

[fast pilot]

should i put my nick of time inm my main hand if its 3 ilvls lower than my other dagger

[keen spruce]

kinda has to be blindside right?

oh wait no

[dark token]

Blindside is pretty good idk about that one

[keen spruce]

st doesn't have tiny toxic

[sullen mural]

u cant drop blindside tho

[candid goblet]

you also cannot drop blindside yeah

[sullen mural]

wait i played IC on council

[candid goblet]

it breaks the connection

[sullen mural]

i can check what i dropped

[candid goblet]

its dashing scoundrel

[vapid skiff]

most ppl drop dashing scoundrel

[keen spruce]

you'd have to go tiny toxic and drop dashing

[balmy condor]

no, that would be a 3cp envenom, you would env gar ambush

[keen spruce]

or just

drop scoundrel yeah

lines are hard

[slim hamlet]

What fight would u actually want ic on tho

In this raid

[sullen mural]

Council

[vapid skiff]

only council

and its debatable there too

[slim hamlet]

I suppose but meh

[sullen mural]

It felt way bettr playing with ic on the bossthan not doing it for me

[candid goblet]

If not IC, you could quickly put rup and gar on 2 of them and go

probably starting with the big guy, since he dashes forward soon enough

[sharp swallow]

really dumb question but never did it before, does it matter what chest for example I use in the catalyst machine thingy? or are the stats on tier items preset and will never swap

[balmy condor]

the latter

tier has set stats

[sharp swallow]

I see, tyvm!

[fast pilot]

will secondaries carry over like leech

[candid goblet]

@balmy condor do you know the answer to this?

[balmy condor]

cause we don't rup

[candid goblet]

Whens the next time we do Rup

after that one

[distant fox]

Yeah sockets and territaries carryover. If you find a high ilvl piece with leech avoidance socket or similar you would want that as tier piece

[dark token]

Maybe instead of IC

I drop dashing for 1 point of scent

[fast pilot]

ty kindly

[dark token]

I feel I am more likely to have 2-3 ruptures out

Than to be able to IC targets consistently

[sullen mural]

in the end its up to you it felt good to play for my

my rogue duo in the raid said the same

[candid goblet]

constantly keeping up Rup between all the spread bosses can mess up 4p uptime though

[balmy condor]

When it drops

[haughty flicker]

heroic nemo pug

kb tracker new record

top of charts

big dopamine

roll 1 on tier

[sweet dawn]

I have mirror and branch, do you reckon I run double on use for M+ or just stick with dice/class trinket and branch

[candid goblet]

no guild to progress with

that goes hard Belisarii

[sullen mural]

Double on use trinket sounds so cringe to play with

[balmy condor]

Double on use is pretty awful you’d want to branch + mirror and farm like literally anything else

[glacial shuttle]

Is it just me or do Evasion/Cloak just NOT work on a fuckton of mechanics that should be dodgeable or prevent magic effects this season? Ot feels like they broke them

[balmy condor]

Haven’t noticed much

[sullen mural]

Got a specific example or

[sweet dawn]

Yeah I've been spamming lower for hourglass/dagger, but I do 1 run of upper and get mirror xD

[sullen mural]

Took me 20 runs for 2 daggers

[dark token]

Lol u think I have new 4p

[sweet dawn]

Took me 17 runs for branch so I guess my luck swang the other way?

[runic hinge]

I have hourglass and mirror and no dagger

[balmy condor]

Hey me too

[distant fox]

Got none. Lol

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

Imagine not getting dagger on your first try like the filthy lucker you are (me)

[elfin garden]

I got my dagger on run 2 but I'm still bad at sin 🙂

[distant fox]

But 2 dhoulders, 2 backs, 4 trinkets that aint that good

[runic hinge]

Got the gloves outta there too

[balmy condor]

I get a curio from heroic fyrakk for 4 piece, you’ll all see

Then I’ll be laughing

[sullen mural]

got 2 daggers and branch time to farm both rings from BRH

[balmy condor]

And you’ll be losing

[distant fox]

Please exsanguinate me.

[distant fox]

Now. Nightshift

[distant helm]

https://gyazo.com/d78b69edfdfe1fee23ba8dd104d632ef

[dreamy edge]

+10 throne is this about how it should look ?

[sullen mural]

@balmy condor what i do wanna know cuz to this point im not sure, If you are in a lets say 7+ target pull, do you just spamm crimson tempest, or do you like envenom

feels wasted to spamm tempest but idk

[vale mortar]

Why would you spam tempest? you just sustain it

[sullen mural]

Idk it does so much dmg sometimes when i spamm it

[solid mica]

Is there a PI target chart command or pin anywhere?

[sullen mural]

And quite frankly it feels bad single targeting with caustic spatter in an aoe pull

[solid mica]

!pi

Fk

[balmy condor]

??????????

[sullen mural]

Your sanguin blade uptime is not it

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest is a dot

What

Why would you spam a dot

[vale mortar]

you don't really understand how assa works

[sullen mural]

I know its a dot but an assa rogue i played with spammed it and it did insane aoe

[sweet dawn]

Don't spam CT there's no point, the instant damage is gone, it only does the DoT damage

[sullen mural]

i dont understand why it did tbh

[balmy condor]

Well they’re an idiot lmao

[sweet dawn]

You want to spread your rupture/garrote until your energy is stable, maintain CT, then choose a priority target to spatter from and spam envenoms until you need to reapply bleeds

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[real stirrup]

so I'm going through the ST rotation and it spikes to over 200k during vanish in KB but then once I apply the garrote plus rupture and try to mutilate - envenom, I get 70-80k before I can KB again

[balmy condor]

Yep

Burst spec

Big high

Small lows

[real stirrup]

So this is normal? because when I see raids they are doing 200k+ constantly, unless dummies are different?

[vale mortar]

in raids you have plenty of buffs too

[balmy condor]

In raids they’re spiking to 600k

[real stirrup]

ST?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[bold stream]

having an aug could be effecting that aswell

[misty olive]

Sorry very beginner question, just catching up to changes. Do we rupture in Dance with Garrote in the opener after KB?

[haughty flicker]

its just big spikes and dips

[slim hamlet]

Had a 600k opener with spriest PI no 2 set no real trinkets, do we think we hitting 1 mil with end gear?

[haughty flicker]

not 200k constant

[balmy condor]

Easily yes

[slim hamlet]

How much we betting it hits

I say 1.2

[haughty flicker]

17m

at least

[balmy condor]

I was simming some tech for smolderon

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

With the damage increase

[haughty flicker]

smolderon with hero in execute with damage buff

[slim hamlet]

Holy

[balmy condor]

And was seeing it crack 3mil in bis

[slim hamlet]

Execute smolderon with PI

Imma bust

[real stirrup]

We also miss Deathmark on second KB?

[balmy condor]

They line up

[haughty flicker]

dm is every other kb

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-holy-cow-gif-20790708

[haughty flicker]

2m/1m/2m the whole fight

[slim hamlet]

That's wild

[balmy condor]

Branch is a hell of a drug

I assume with good rng and double aug we’re going to see at least one or two spikes of 5mil+

On details that is

[crisp pine]

I got two branches today
Possible to dual wield?

[balmy condor]

Logs will obviously filter that out

[humble ginkgo]

Do you ever swap target on gnarlroot to spread dots?

or just hard focus boss

and caustic does all the dam

[balmy condor]

On mythic you can hit the big boys

[slim hamlet]

Just click "augmented dmg" in logs and try to feel good about yourself

[balmy condor]

But generally the small ones are whatever

[humble ginkgo]

kk

2 raid builds are literally identical but 1 takes caustic

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That’s how we aoe now

[humble ginkgo]

[dark token]

I'm thinking ashes is probably better on smolderon

[humble ginkgo]

I collected the infinity stones im forced on this now

[balmy condor]

Unfortunate

[humble ginkgo]

branch is one of the most aids dogshit trinket ive ever used

cant see shit

[dark token]

Upgrading both dags when ur gonna loot it in the vault next week

[humble ginkgo]

make the orbs bright neon and have amassive outline

[bronze pike]

Kite last orb :3

[dark token]

Ashes burst proc is worth more than branch burst proc so I think on bosses with dmg burst window it's gonna be better

(smolderon, tindral if shield is tight)

[warm fog]

1% haste as assa is terrible, right?

For raid at least

[humble ginkgo]

doesnt matter were playing mydas on that boss

[dreamy edge]

yea i knew thats low i just dont fully get how sanguine works

[dark token]

Maybe worth for first intermission but idk about 2nd with dm

Pretty sure ashes burst is still bigger

[plush vessel]

when u wanna play assas because u got 2 double time hero weapons but u only get vers crist gear 😢

[humble ginkgo]

youd run both right?

signet is bait and dogshit

[vapid sierra]

i keep getting sin gear

i think its calling me

[dark token]

Signet is shit yeah

Idk about double on use

It's gonna desync bad

I probably just run ashes + top passive trinket I have

[humble ginkgo]

im a based augury user

either ir highrolls 5m damage

or does nothing

[dark token]

This midas tech is gonna be sub/outlaw only methinks

[humble ginkgo]

it indeed highrolled on my volcross kill

10% of my dam

[velvet ridge]

@keen spruce hey you popping your burst on first boss everbloom at start, or at the dmg buff

[humble ginkgo]

Ya I think liquid is playing sub

sub might be better right

since sin takes time to setup

[slim hamlet]

outlaw on a dmg amp boss

aintnoway

[humble ginkgo]

during the damage amp

[velvet ridge]

but you get it back at end of boss, during second dmg amp

[keen spruce]

i've been trying both

[dark token]

I mean

[velvet ridge]

same

[dark token]

You don't get ur orbs right away

[keen spruce]

i haven't noticed a large difference

[dark token]

You have time to setup

[keen spruce]

tbh

[dark token]

Sin felt fine in our smolderon hc

[keen spruce]

probably wait until damage amp tho

[dark token]

I just delay kingsbane for intermission 1, delay DM for intermission 2

[exotic pulsar]

wha'ts the most up to date pogvoker / pi sims?

[humble ginkgo]

I thought you sent kingsbane on pull

and dm on 1st intermission

seems better

with pi

[dark token]

Not what I did

[vapid sierra]

what dungeon drops dagger apart fall?

[dark token]

But we killed it in like 3 pulls so I didn't develop the tech yet

[balmy condor]

Correct yep

Agreege

[slim hamlet]

Are you all lusting on pull or first thingy smolderon?

[dark token]

I think that's better in mythic

Maybe not hc

[slim hamlet]

I see it being quite 50/50 with guilds

[dark token]

We listed pull

[spice surge]

Same timings either way

[humble ginkgo]

ya just send with ur lust

honestly

[dark token]

Do paladins still have that cdr talent

[junior aurora]

yea

[dark token]

Any other cdr?

[junior aurora]

how big is the damage amp on smolderon

[slim hamlet]

100%

[spice surge]

Its only 10 seconds so not enough

And its not up for every dm

[junior aurora]

probably better to send deathmark at damage amp than w/ lust if you lust on pull then right?

dunno the numbers on it though

[slim hamlet]

prolly

[junior aurora]

just have your priest hold pi until intermission lol

[spice surge]

Play sub and have all cds for every damage amp phase

[dark token]

Imo send dm with ur lust

[slim hamlet]

If I could be asked learning sub I would

Seems really crisp fight for sub