assassination

[clever sapphire]

so you dont have a stealth bar?

[tame cloak]

that seems counterintuitive

[strange python]

i think you can even do
/cast [stealth] ambush
/cast [nostealth] mutilate

[torn peak]

i want that when i press mouse button and if im in stealth use ambush over mutiliate

[clever sapphire]

i cant tell if no stealth bar, or you have the same binds on both

[torn peak]

same on both yeah

[gleaming reef]

You can bind mutilate and ambush to the same button where it'll use ambush when stealthed and mutilate when not stealthed

[clever sapphire]

well just put ambush on your mutilate bind but on your stealth bar?

am i just too dumb to get the problem?

[torn peak]

i think i got it

put ambush where mutiliate is in on stealth bar

[woeful meteor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[torn peak]

and non stealth bar has no ambush

[cobalt wigeon]

ty

[clever sapphire]

blindside replaces mutilate anyways

so you dont need an ambush bind in nonestealth

unless you are a weirdo like me, who still uses his blindside button even in stealth

[bleak ivy]

So do u need a mutilate button in stealth or no?

[clever sapphire]

no

[spiral pasture]

can someone tldr me when we pop what on smolderon plz

[lean wing]

thanks god ! i hate this

[clever sapphire]

kb on pull, hold dm for first dmg phase

thats what i did

not sure if thats the most dps you will get

[reef oxide]

anyone know of any good weakauras of when to pool energy?

[lean wing]

do you guys play M+ as assa rogue ? cause i tried sub and pirate and im performing bad

[clever sapphire]

ya, blasting every key

[restive inlet]

CT rips

[lean wing]

coool, aoe garrote i gues ? 😄

[spiral pasture]

outlaw is very good

[restive inlet]

spatter as well, with KB

[clever sapphire]

nono get that out of this channel

we dont play fury here

[lean wing]

im just need to learn new flow after rework

[sick flume]

in 5 target are we sending fan of knives? Or what is the target # where we start to incorporate it into our rotation

[runic hinge]

The AP build with blindside feeling pretty good

[reef oxide]

pretty sure fan is 2 targets over mutilate

[still creek]

my SD+KB macro fucks up again and casts Kingbane but not SD/ or before SD, anyone else have this problem and if so know of a fix? Macro is first /cast Shadow Dance then /Cast kingsbane on the line under

[lean wing]

can you share me your m+ talents so i can check ?

[true hollow]

2 target cleave, do we do single target rotation or aoe rotation? 🙂

[icy acorn]

if i skip rupture in opener do i use it in KB then?

or after kb

[reef oxide]

needs to be applied during nightstalker window i think

[forest acorn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[karmic tusk]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[clever sapphire]

just one of the 2 builds from wowhead

tried out the arterial build from the pins

that also works pretty well

[reef oxide]

the beast buff seems like the most useful overall right?

from the dagger?

[lucid otter]

if you have the chance to get 2 set but have to cata legs to get is it worth or a sim angle

[clever sapphire]

i wouldnt cata week 1

[strange python]

Any bosses other than gnarl and smolderon we hold DM for

[clever sapphire]

gnarl i send on pull

like try to send it fast

and i have it up for dmg phase

but not that i know of

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-erlich-bachman-motherfuck-gif-8224886

[tepid burrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[thorny aurora]

we don't play double on use with branch and ashes of the embersoul correct?

[pseudo hamlet]

On which bosses it's prefferable to use cleave talents? Gnarl, Council, Tindral?

[willow kite]

does mind numbing work on raid bosses in any capacity? ie if we have two rogues, should we run both poisons?

[lean wing]

tried raid bone spike talen from wowhead its lfr raid

[clever sapphire]

what am i looking for 😄

[latent gazelle]

i dont see Kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

i knew something was missing

true

this looks like a S2 log

xD

[slate crown]

Are you vibing with an acro build in keys? I've noticed some friction withotu it rn

[latent gazelle]

rupture dmg above garrote seems hmmm

[spare dust]

ok but i just did lfr and used the dance build from wowhead

[clever sapphire]

@keen spruce i turned into you

[latent gazelle]

seems okay

[gusty mirage]

dang looking cute

[spare dust]

I have a problem not spamming a finisher coming from feral

[distant fox]

is recuperator pretty much dogshit? because i think my health regen heals mroe the nthis talent. its like at best 150k over a key. reduced slow time seems like a good talent now lol

[latent gazelle]

it randomly stops working

when u vanish

among other times

[wicked zodiac]

are you guys using the new build on dungeon or the old one ?

[clever sapphire]

i stole his looks, now im also cute

[clever sapphire]

feral doesnt spam finisher tho

[pseudo hamlet]

And Larodar!

[clever sapphire]

both, comes down to if i wanna see poison bomb or not

[steel spire]

Tried both hybrid and ap, ap kinda chunky ngl

[distant fox]

in aoe you get so many apex procs and in st you sometimes drown in energy - sometimes

[wicked zodiac]

ok

[spare dust]

we bite more often now

and in my brain ive related bite to envenom

[clever sapphire]

that changed

[spare dust]

having 300 energy to work with and bites doing increased damage at 50 energy is a muscle memory thats hard to not ook ook

[gentle verge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
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Pooling Practice Tool

[low quartz]

doesnt seem like we a have a wealth of good trinket optionns from M+ huh

[sullen hollow]

do we play double on use if we can get both brand and ashes

[royal lantern]

brand is passive

[distant fox]

havent tried it yet put apex still should proc a lot of times even if its not every 1,5 globals in a bigger pull

[empty timber]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[rustic parrot]

There’s a bis trinket and a lot of good options for other slot from keys

[distant fox]

you meant me i guess?

[latent gazelle]

was talking about recup yes

[shell kraken]

Is there any reason not to macro dance + KB?

[lucid rain]

idk if 162k in waycrest 18 is good or not but

this is funny to me

[distant fox]

is there any meaninful difference between normal m+ and aterial shock build? i havent noticed any but that shock is much more forgiving and less reliant on kingsbane lasting longer then 5s

[spare dust]

my SD damage is terrible

[clever sapphire]

no

[distant fox]

and i thought def made the gear gap bigger that 15s are harder. stuff dies in 20s on fortified. so laughable and nowhere any targets with at least an existent healthpool

[lucid rain]

you need 17+ for kb/spatter to do anything

[lofty junco]

wait rly? so mutilate "transforms" itself when we get blindside proc?

[lucid rain]

yes

the spell gets replaced by ambush

[distant fox]

noticed that its dogshit below. i mean what are we supposed to do in tyrannical weeks? go af kand play st talents when a boss arrives? lol

[lofty junco]

what if i ahve a mutilate macro?

[lucid rain]

play AP

it's great for tyrannical and trash explodes with bleeds + execute + sudden demise

[willow kite]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[clever sapphire]

ye

[lofty junco]

that annoyed me actualy at the start of DF when i tested out rogue. u did need to ahve ambush and mutilate keybinded for blindside

[torn peak]

does anyone have SnD reminder like text on screen telling me im in combat and snd is not up

a wa?

[latent gazelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[surreal citrus]

does anyone know if you need to pick up branch orbs before popping kb or if you're good to just pop kb and then grab 2 orbs

[lucid rain]

pop branch with deathmark

[distant fox]

i do, at least shiv does somethign then.
i thought that poison bomb is mroe focused on tyr but nor sims nor my details told me a difference in st/aoe but the kinsbane iossue.

got 440 gear and my st is super low imo, 85-95k at absolut best over 2 mins on dummies with m+ talents and in dungeons my friend and his demo lock outburst me even when he is still ramping and peaks at least 100k voer me

[lucid rain]

grab 2 orbs then kite the next orb around then grab it so the buff doesn't run out before kb pops

[lofty junco]

thats a realy nice qol

[clever sapphire]

pop branch with dm, get 2 fast, kite last for 5-7 sec

[surreal citrus]

tyty

wait no I mean

I have it macro'd to dm

but do I want to collect orbs before I also pop kb

[lucid rain]

you may as well

[surreal citrus]

idk if kb snapshots or not but I'm assuming it does

[lucid rain]

having 2 orbs before you do your dance garrote is pretty nice

[pulsar apex]

ST or cleave for Council?

[distant fox]

in zerk do we also pool or do we spam, havent found anything on the guide sites that was refering to it - i mean we didnt but now we got the bite talent for it in raid

[willow kite]

is it fine to use mind numbing in raid? assuming atro is provided by another rogue

[thorn fjord]

Not much casting going on iirc in a lot of the encounters

But I may be wrong

If another rogue is running atro then yeah use MN

[dark token]

we blasting

[thorn fjord]

Nice

[lucid rain]

dayum

[thorn fjord]

I get more heroic kills tonight

Let’s see where I land

[dark token]

quazi is cheating

doing 21s on day 2

[past bobcat]

What comps have you liked with sin?

[dark token]

idk i dont have a comp

just doing keys with random guildies

(no aug)

[strange python]

whichever one will take me

[dark token]

sin is good af

ive done some pug keys and everyone likes it

[distant fox]

tank heal dps -al lrandom, me and my demo loc kfriend that melts the bosses.

[clever sapphire]

dunno, not a feral main, just read a bit about it

[distant fox]

tbh doesnt really matter. haveing procs that arent worth anything but some dmg and a 20% buff to rip didnt felt nice, now you at least use them and dont waste them for dps reasons but maintaining the buff.+

[clever sapphire]

the free bite procs you still insta use

but waiting for 50 energy before biting without procs is still the play

even more now because of 1 talent

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[keen spruce]

[distant fox]

but that only affects raiding^^ in burst you dont pool or didnt not sure after the berzerk rework that still doesnt play that nice. feel low on energy now, well lwoer at least and BT still doesnt play smoothly
but now i make em bleed and watch them slowly dieing to my poisons. wish i could do that in rl lo

[bleak ivy]

spiked counterweight is it a good trinket?

[oblique wasp]

friends, how do you manage to max dmg on Fyrakk? I am hardtrying as much as I can, but I can get over 100k - 110k DPS overall

[maiden bear]

Pretty dogass

[hexed willow]

It’s a trinket

[slim pebble]

Lots of arterial players today. Gonna have to give that a shot

[austere fulcrum]

Anyone using 2set each tier atm ?

How does it sim for st ?

[pulsar dirge]

gonna doom it guys, we are getting nerfed

Im feeling the power

[slim pebble]

Shhh

[pulsar dirge]

lots do , better to sim it

but for m+ i think its a definite boost

[distant fox]

there are others on the list, we should be finde for now xD

[royal lantern]

higher then abeerus 4 set

[royal lantern]

well duh?

[austere fulcrum]

Thank u kindly

[royal lantern]

cant wait for the fotm andys to go crazy again

[austere fulcrum]

Thank u 🤝

[vagrant hearth]

why we want to envenom 4 cp?

during kingsbane

[royal lantern]

during always

its just better now

[indigo epoch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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[vagrant hearth]

what is the reason for?

sanguine blades?

you still wanna do max cp rupture ye?

[safe rover]

any branch WAs?

[heady badge]

is there a macro for mutilate/ambush like there is for outlaw ss/ambush

[royal lantern]

no

[jaunty phoenix]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

finishers at 4cp+

means finishers at 4cp+

but it also doesnt really matter

[vestal cliff]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[next ledge]

Assassination cannot lower energy by 50%, or are there specific times when it can?

[vagrant hearth]

why the deeper stratage, at all then?

and swap to agrobatic strikes

[near grove]

why my inv break all the time

[vagrant hearth]

why take deeper stratagem*

[wide bolt]

!fuu

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[leaden timber]

was there a fix to make cp turn green at 4 cp for luxthos?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[runic hinge]

It was nicer in here when it was quieter

This has gotta be James’ fault

[strange python]

i think there's some trinkets that are causing it?

[short comet]

Just wait outlaw comin from behind give it a week or two

[near grove]

maybe? idk

maybe thorns

idk but super annoying

[dark token]

Sark cloak

It breaks stealth sometimes

Also evoker legendary buff falling off

And ur corrupting pot

[near grove]

we did a full wipe and i was going to use my shroud and idk what broke my stealth

[north jetty]

Can someone explain why I want to maintain shiv uptime during kingsbane? I don’t see that it does any dot damage based on the tool tip

[near grove]

i'll pay more attention to see if it was the cloak or smeething else

[spice surge]

It does nature damage

Shiv buffs nature damage

[north jetty]

Oh

Don’t mind my dumbass

[green apex]

My plater is WILD with debuffs. Trying to decide what I REALLY need to see on top of enemies.

-Garrote
-Rupture
-CT
-Caustic
-Deathmark
-Iron Wire

Is my first draft. Can almost always assume poisons are on target.

[charred dome]

how do i open in pvp with assa?

[runic hinge]

Try #pvp

[lyric silo]

is assas embellishment confirmed for the tier yet?

or still holding off

[sharp swallow]

apologese if its been answered, but when do we press out Witherbark trinket?

[subtle tundra]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[runic hinge]

On dm. Collect 2, wiat 7 seconds. Collect 3rd orb

[sharp swallow]

so press dm, collect 2, wait 7 for the 3rd?

[jaunty ginkgo]

Does anyone know if empowered garrote has a different spell ID? trying to make a weak aura

[cedar dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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[faint spoke]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[bleak ivy]

wwhats the addon that lets you copy and paste ur character string for simming

I forgot

[jaunty ginkgo]

simulation craft

[bleak ivy]

ty

[wispy apex]

A noob question but does Blindside procs replaces mutilate?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[past bobcat]

Anyone able to explain the one kingsbane wa that had the green lines on it? What are they an indication of?

[sour oasis]

Hello guys

i dont understand something

fuu say vers is bis when i see on wowhead mastery is bis

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[whole herald]

just sim yourself

[slate crown]

Doesn't really matter

[whole herald]

genereally speaking mastery gets worse when you got your branch

[sour oasis]

i didnt understand

[slate crown]

Firstly, everyone's gear preferences will be different, Sim to find out for you.

Secondly, the difference between stat value is not very large, especially for assassination

[sour oasis]

ok

thanks guy

[whole herald]

all i can say is that stacking crit feels great

[split veldt]

Sin S tier on subcreation for keys atm

[spare dust]

elp

how do SD

[swift magnet]

does Deathmark snapshots haste like PI bl etc?
trying to setup my PI macro etc

like do I need to DM after I get pi or does it not matter

?

[sharp falcon]

no, u just want PI covering the duration of your DM & KB

[heavy wing]

Would you guys say Sin is easier or harder than the other rogue specs after the rework?

[swift magnet]

thx! answered by the man himself

I havent enjoyed Assa since Nighthold

btw

[sharp falcon]

there's slightly more min-max potential if you're a player type that cares significantly about that

but you should get similar results with similar effort/knowledge as before, if you're a player that doesn't usually do mythic progression raiding, etc

[reef frigate]

Hey guys, I want to return to the game ( stopped on season 1 ) how is rogue doing this season, does sin have a competitive build for m+ after the rework?

[clever sapphire]

ye all 3 rogue specs are poggers

assa actually fun in keys

[clever sapphire]

you press shadow dance before kb, i gotchu

[silver yacht]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

i want Pi too be gone from the game

[long pecan]

Are kingsbane and deathmark doable on the same gcd?

[manic quartz]

no

[wild beacon]

A new era

[royal lantern]

both are abilitys on the gcd, so no

[sharp falcon]

quite the interjection but ok

[clever sapphire]

its already gone for me, my raid still giving pi to warlocks

[long pecan]

bummer, trying to find macros to reduce keybinds xd

[royal lantern]

Pi hate knows no bounds

same with Aug hate

[sharp falcon]

have you tried being not a hater

[atomic rune]

Wait am I crazy I swear Dance is off GCD…

[clever sapphire]

aug dead

[light goblet]

yo boys

[clever sapphire]

dance is off gcd

you are crazy

[slate crown]

grats

[long pecan]

grats

[eternal heath]

I gotta watch more Whispyr so I can stop sandbagging keys

[light goblet]

:D

[whole herald]

is there a toy or smt similar where we can build combopoints before a fight?

[atomic rune]

Combo points reset on encounter start

[reef frigate]

Great!!! I remember having lots of fun with sin in BFA season 1. Hope to get that feel again.

[whole herald]

ye but Snd doesnt

[runic hinge]

He hasn’t

[sharp falcon]

i recommend it, not hating is really freeing

[slate crown]

It has been nice to open in keys with snd up and 5CP, just open with rupture, then garrote, and can enter cds much faster

[whole herald]

how you do it?

[slate crown]

It's a key

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna enjoy being Mr external man this patch or week or whatever.

[slate crown]

Just having resources from the previous pack

[whole herald]

oh

[slate crown]

Yeah i'm just saying specifically in keys

[slim hamlet]

Anyone happen to know the dmg difference of a PI on DM and a PI on pull?

[runic hinge]

Blasting meters is fun

[slim hamlet]

like percentage

[long pecan]

After a bit is it just me or assassination has a lot of downtime in single target?

[silk bane]

what if you love hating? then hating is love. hating is freedom. #eren did nothing wrong

[past bobcat]

Realz fix sub aoe 😦

[royal lantern]

im not a hater

i just want Pi too be removed from the game

and aug

cus it would improve the game

[slim hamlet]

based

[tough gorge]

Aug and Pi are stupid.

[long pecan]

Like once im out of thistle tea and im bellow 100 energy its very slow ?

[storm forum]

PI should be AoE

[rain mortar]

even though it is very non optimal - deos anyone have a Suddent demise build to mess around with for M+?

[storm forum]

everyone gets PI

[tough gorge]

Both mythic+ builds take sudden demise...?

[eternal heath]

^^

[storm forum]

what do you mean? I think both whispyr crafted M+ builds play sudden demise

its very funny in the dungeons with non-elite mobs

[tough gorge]

Also funny in superbloom

[storm forum]

press CT and everything dies

[split jewel]

I got a 2.1m+ sudden demise on a boss before during a DM + Shiv

[real inlet]

i'm sure it's been asked a million times, but is there a way to macro mutilate and ambush to same button and it swaps for blindsides?

[runic hinge]

Everyone on our server is playing assa now

[eternal heath]

it already does this

[split jewel]

arterial shock activates my neurons

[manic quartz]

it does that automatically

[real inlet]

so can i macro it so it will ambush from stealth and mutilate any other time?

[storm forum]

our time has come

[eternal heath]

no

[split jewel]

no more subs, only ass

[idle gorge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[manic quartz]

if you proc blindside your mutilate changes to ambush automatically

[runic hinge]

I gotta climb past the rerollers

[royal lantern]

........isnt that just BL/hero?

[glossy imp]

anyone have tips for waycrest manor trio boss? I feel like I put down my DM, KB, and then the boss gets immunity

[storm forum]

most of us are using stealth bar ambush, normal stance mut on the same buttons, it works 99% of the time, but sometimes the bar change doesnt register right away and we lose half a global because we try pressing ambush out of stealth.

if you use a stance macro, the same issue happens

[slate crown]

Wait for them to grab the orb first then slam that one right after it takes the orb

[glossy imp]

gotcha

[storm forum]

im so lazy this week, not happening for a while

[slate crown]

You should have IC so everything will be dotted and prepped for you

[glossy imp]

so don't go all in on the first mob

[slate crown]

If you're talking about right off pull

[glossy imp]

or boss ig

ye

ty ty

[lucid rain]

refresh bleeds below 35% and then shiv when you think things will die in 8 seconds

if you're playing arterial

[runic hinge]

I don’t like pugging but my guild also likes to take things slow

[storm forum]

yes, give priest hero, and also make it so that everyone gets second hero like mages when a 2nd hero goes off when people have sated

[lucid rain]

had a not great group so things didn't die super fast but this is an 18 brh

[oak lagoon]

i do about 120 overall in m+ is it alright? xd

[royal lantern]

dmg overall is a really bad statistic mate

[storm forum]

depends on comp, ilvl, dungeon, etc but looks like you need to use CT more

[royal lantern]

like

which dungeon

what lvl

what teamamtes

what pulls

[tough gorge]

Dont forget about rupture.

[royal lantern]

did you have cd's for big pulls

[oak lagoon]

yes

[royal lantern]

dmg overall is a big bunch of nothing

[oak lagoon]

do i use CT like none stop?

or just for the dot

[lucid rain]

ct doesn't have impact damage

so no point to spam

just pandemic to max

[oak lagoon]

cuz i mean i put the dot up

[simple gulch]

Is there a good sin streamer I can watch

[oak lagoon]

so idk

[green apex]

Just for the dot. Def looks like you had low CT casts

[upper spear]

@oak lagoon do not spam, only keep it rolling.

[vapid sierra]

whats assa overall looking like? S tier on subcreation, wondering how much its pulling compared to outlaw

[simple gulch]

I did a boss on sin and feels like I’m not doing well

[upper spear]

recommend looking at Warcraft logs, Assa is top rn for most bosses as far as rogues go

[earnest remnant]

Mythic Igira fucks bro

wtf is that boss

so much dmg

[lucid rain]

spears in ass?

[vapid sierra]

forgot to mentioon m+ lol

yeah its juicing in raid rn

[earnest remnant]

assa is stupidly good on igira

[simple gulch]

I’m following the rotation guide on wowhead and yet I’m struggling on ST

[cold hound]

For a lot of these bosses with a small amount of cleave, are yall just running Spatter?

[faint spoke]

got a nick on time on champion track, is it ok to max it?, already crafted my boots

[upper spear]

probably not pooling well, you wont see that in the rotation guide.

[spare dust]

what if im not playing AP

[keen spruce]

okay shock build pretty gud

[lucid rain]

no clue

[oak lagoon]

pooling well?

[keen spruce]

+20 fall

[slate crown]

is spatter able to reac chains effectively?

[lucid rain]

damn that dh crankin

[keen spruce]

shock seems gud

[tame tangle]

pooling energy

[earnest remnant]

yeah you just stack em

around the bboss

[vapid sierra]

sin giga juicing

[upper spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0zGACDAuY&ab_channel=Whíspyr

[earnest remnant]

and just stand in them

[light goblet]

its safe to make toxic boots ya?

[vapid sierra]

shit

[keen spruce]

bllackzf is very handsome DH

he pump

[light goblet]

not going to get hard nerfed or anything

[torn peak]

leak details

[slate crown]

show breakdown pls 🦆

[eternal heath]

Man I need to get better

[lucid rain]

what a gamer

[keen spruce]

idk why spatter so low

[slate crown]

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

Was similar to mine

[torn peak]

are you not using poison bomb

[keen spruce]

i'm trying the shock build

[upper spear]

is poison edges the weapon?

[vapid sierra]

any dungeon where the hybrid build isnt standard?

[keen spruce]

poisoned edges is tier

from s2

[torn peak]

thats mine from +4 fall

[vapid sierra]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[upper spear]

ah

[lucid rain]

sudden demise go brrrrr

[slate crown]

but my overall was lower, had no PIs, my +19 fall, overtimed by 43s

[upper spear]

Sudden is good in low keys, but itll be a lot less in higher keys

cool for when shit dies fast

[glossy imp]

mine from a 17 dawn fall

[lucid rain]

how tf is your caustic so high

jesus

[keen spruce]

yeahy sometimes my spatter is like 2nd or 3rd

and sometimes it's like 8th

[glossy imp]

idk

I don't use my brain, I just do what whispyr tells me to do

[lucid rain]

is the splash just small range?

[manic quartz]

When its a bit higher dungeon where you can utilize whole kingsbane in AoE spatter goes boom

[earnest remnant]

but yes Spatter does reach them

[slate crown]

nice

[keen spruce]

aug abuser

[earnest remnant]

best target

not my fault

[light goblet]

toxic thorn boots the way to go ya?

[vapid sierra]

should i use vanish or dance first in m+ if i have both and i need to start redotting?

[slate crown]

Still feel like I'm having trouble in keys getting damage out in time, just so much dodging, Fall feels hectic to me

[visual stratus]

Do any of you just macro Dance and Kingsbane together?

[slate crown]

But I like shock build

[vapid sierra]

yeah

[manic quartz]

in single target yes

[vapid sierra]

alot of ppl do

[upper spear]

you want to always have one up every 1 min, so youd dance - vanish - dance since its a 1m and 2m CD

this will line with your KB and Deathmark

[vapid sierra]

wdym by one ujp every 1 min?

[visual stratus]

Okay nice. You you ever find yourself using Dance for spreading Garrotes in m+? Isn't the opportunity cost of not having dance with kingsbane just higher?

[green apex]

Sometimes my kB doesn't cast on the macro. Assume it's BC I was in mid-gcd.or something. Just gotta spam it

[vapid sierra]

because in opener you send dance and vanish together

[torn peak]

@keen spruce what are your weapons

[vapid sierra]

so then youd just use them on cd?

[manic quartz]

yes happens when youre mid gcd, just wait the whole gcd 😛

[upper spear]

i guess it depends on the pull but why would you need to send dance and vanish at the same time?

[green apex]

Plz I play rog to press button every 1 second not wait like a slow minded warrior

[slate crown]

Have you all been trying to keep your KBs rolling on CD as long as they won't get wasted on a low target? Or do you try to save going into a boss, I feel like I am frequently asking myself if I should use KB or wait for boss next pull, and almost always I decide to hold KB/DM, and the pull ends up taking longer and I feel like I could have gotten it off, even though It'd mean my KB isn't up for boss

[lucid rain]

pretty sure fury warrior is gcd locked as soon as a dungeon starts

[earnest remnant]

cooldowns on cooldown

[green apex]

I feel you there. Gonna come with more dungeon experience.

[earnest remnant]

is my approach

[slate crown]

Mm k

[earnest remnant]

we full send

[green apex]

When to hold vs send. I sometimes save DM but will almost always send kB dance

[slate crown]

Yeah I've been worried that I'm holding too much

[lucid rain]

do you resync cds when you get to a boss?

[visual stratus]

In higher keys its almost always worth to just send it i reckon

[slate crown]

Need to get better at that

[lucid rain]

like do you enter bosses with kb/dm ready?

or do you just always send regardless

[upper spear]

most people lose more damage by holding than you do fucking up timing

[slate crown]

Like the CDs will come up mid boss

[upper spear]

^

[slate crown]

because we have dance, no reason to not just not worry about opening with KB

[green apex]

Ya but they base 1.5 I'd rather vomit I gotta press bttn

[slate crown]

just open into normal rotation, KB will be up soon

[long pecan]

Is it normal to spend time pooling energy and doing nothing in the rotation?

[slate crown]

Also i'm used to playing fury in keys from last season where we ran AM, so it was always full send because of CDR, constant full send, no thinking about boss timings or whatever

just gogogog

[green apex]

a bit yeah but not a tonne. Whyspwer video on it is really good

[tawdry flare]

Fury gives me arthritis

[upper spear]

!pooling

[slate crown]

A bit harder to account for it without CDR, but yeah definitely need to be more aggressive with my KBs

[earnest remnant]

i send them on cd so they always go together

[lucid rain]

do you send on the pack previous to a boss

?

[green apex]

https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?si=ySAnH4_wrCtWWiOb

[earnest remnant]

yep

idc

full send

[slate crown]

From what i'm understanding, yes. Don't worry about holding for boss opener

[earnest remnant]

all gas no brakes

[manic quartz]

gotta try that

[slate crown]

The only time to hold KB is like, if the pack before a boss is filled with little shitters that would die after 2 KB ticks

[upper spear]

IMO break it down more simply, what is overall damage, and does this next boss have a DPS check i need to worry about

[slate crown]

but if the pack has any moderately healthy mobs, full send

which is most of them

[upper spear]

just send shit on CD till you know your timings better

[lucid rain]

thanks!

[eternal heath]

I struggled with learning that on boomkin too

3m cdc had me nervous

[hexed canopy]

are you guys waiting for next vault for your first charge of the catalyst? i could have a 2 set

[eternal heath]

Just send

[slate crown]

it's also just harder to feel it with with assa specifically because our damage is a target debuff, not on us

[eternal heath]

def wait

[keen spruce]

timestrike daggies

[earnest remnant]

the rogue has gotten some gear

[slate crown]

o.o

[eternal heath]

god damn

[lucid rain]

holy shit

[slate crown]

holy shit

[wet spire]

should i replace my old tier 2p or replace it with ilvl until i get new tier?

nvm ill sim

ignore me

[vapid sierra]

how much of a difference do stats make? im pretty crit versed rn

[earnest remnant]

ngl tho

Mythic Igira was a ton fun

[sullen hollow]

when do i send embersoul

[earnest remnant]

11sec left on kb dot

[vestal cliff]

hey does someone know the site for logreview?

[royal lantern]

or just macro too DM and forget about it

[sullen hollow]

ty

[jaunty phoenix]

guys how do i track the orbs in a 30 man raid

[visual stratus]

What does Deathmark do in AoE exactly?

[jaunty phoenix]

witherbarks brarnch

[sullen hollow]

prio dmg

[misty holly]

I think it depends a lot on where you think the pain points will be in the dungeon and whether your trying to parse, trying to have enough dps to clear in time, or if you think there is a spot you might wipe.

[visual stratus]

That's what i thought

[vapid sierra]

what are you guys quicksimming?

[upper spear]

i dont usually quick sim

[manic quartz]

it also can feed up your spatter dmg trough kingsbane because more poison procs

[vapid sierra]

im trying to see how much of a differnce stats make and if playing sin is a throw

[upper spear]

sim for 1boss 5 min, or (idk if this still best practice) 5 boss 1min for M+

[slate crown]

Yeah like the packs before the 3rd boss in Fall, I wasn't holding for them even the one right before the boss, those dragons are rough on healers this early on

[timber iron]

is there weakaura for "witherbark´s branch" trinket ?

[visual stratus]

Ah yes of course

[slate crown]

need a command or something for this lol yah I got one

[lucid rain]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[misty holly]

There are definitely trash packs you want cooldowns for in fortified weeks, but next week in tyrannical I bet there are bosses you will want to save cooldown for.

[timber iron]

❤️

[vapid sierra]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[stable field]

whats better 2+2 p or old 4p ?

[slate crown]

2p2p

[stable field]

kk ty

[slate crown]

Sim as practice for making such descisions but

2p2p

[misty holly]

But it depends a lot on how good your group is. Really good groups won't mess things up often and really their time comes down to max dps for the entire 35 minutes to clear the dungeon. Lesser groups will have pain points where they might wipe due to mistakes, so holding cooldowns for those points can be beneficial

[green apex]

putting on my old 441 shoulders so I can wear my 463 gloves and still have 4p

Ahhhh

[upper spear]

i think our new 2p is much better than new 4p, if i heard right

[vapid sierra]

just sim

nothing beats sim

[sick flume]

Spatter does not refresh our poisons right?

[jaunty phoenix]

guys how do u track the witherbarks branch orbs in raids? its impossible for me too see them

[sharp falcon]

no

[gusty mirage]

@storm belfry smol damage

[wild beacon]

can you show dmg breakdown oxi pls?

[gusty mirage]

sanguine blades is cheating on last boss

[wild beacon]

tyvm

[gusty mirage]

everbloom last boss makes no damn sense

[storm belfry]

[sharp falcon]

should not be, as of early this morning

[storm belfry]

I will play it this weekend

[plucky canopy]

someone with the racial sim copy paste? cannot find it anymore 😦

[runic hinge]

What level

[gusty mirage]

17

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage

Nerfs incoming

[gusty mirage]

I'll see if I can find screenies from older ones I've done

[strange python]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dvWSKUtv3DbHtZmb1jTTV

dunno if out of date

[gusty mirage]

cause I don't log my keys, I'm not that mentally ill yet

[storm belfry]

my spec is so gonna get nerfed its not even funny

[still creek]

How do you open on packs oxi?

[timber socket]

When do we break up our 4 set? is the new two set enough or do we wait for 4 set?

[gusty mirage]

gar > gar > rupture > fok > snd > fok > ct

[sharp falcon]

2/2 = yes

[timber socket]

Thanks mate

[earnest remnant]

Mythic igira breakdown Spatter was a genius addition to assa ngl

[still creek]

garroting and rupturein all/almost all and sending? or just a couple?

[plucky canopy]

thanks 🙂

[runic hinge]

What if sin #1 m+ dps

[gusty mirage]

check him pc

[wild beacon]

and i guess you just gotta manually target a mob that didn't get the initial 3 garrotes?

[sharp falcon]

caustic has attribution issue on logs but... yeah, what if

[runic hinge]

Feels so good to play rn. Good job to you and your team

[manic quartz]

Loving it, blasting in raid and m+ so fun!

[sharp falcon]

ive been enjoying

[still creek]

Whats the range on spatter?

[sharp falcon]

been playing without details so at least for me its not all about dmg =p\

[sharp falcon]

12, centered on enemy

[spice spire]

Ur so real(z) for that

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

I’ve been using details to compare builds

[royal lantern]

doing casual ~20m more boss dmg on heroic tindral then everyone else on the kill

🙂

[manic quartz]

Not only that, but the flow of combat feels good.

[royal lantern]

this is fine

[strange python]

(12y / 2 ) * 3.14 ^2

[mortal elm]

So we dont play around Sanguine Blades in ST? But i feel like i can never be above 150 energy atm and logs wise it does way less damage even tho im just following the normal rotation and keeping bleeds up etc

[misty thicket]

guys what do i use spark for?

[spice spire]

Thorn boots

[visual stratus]

Are any of you using Arterial Precision for keys at the moment? If so, how do you think it compares to the other more popular build?

[bronze marsh]

I’ve been using it and I love it

ESP this week with sanguine pulling out of bombs

[runic hinge]

Also not been running crippling for sanguine as well

[visual stratus]

Makes sense. Do you ever use Shiv then outside of Kingsbane?

[still creek]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[bronze marsh]

Yeah, depending on the key. Like if I know I’m gonna wanna go in on a prio mob and I only have 1 I just shiv the last 8 sec so there’s some flexibility

[candid goblet]

the Ashes trinket timing haven't changed since PTR right?

[mortal elm]

No

[candid goblet]

3-4 secs after KB?

[lethal heart]

not even 300k

do better

[green apex]

They need to remove the cast time on poison application. Or make it like .5s for sin. Crippling is good on some bosses but man do I hate reapplying it after to avoid the sanguini

[misty thicket]

crit mastery or cirt haste on thorn boots guys

[green apex]

They're always crafted the same don't worry fam

No missive slot

[strange python]

no just give us a "REFRESH POISON" button - that refreshes all poisons

[green apex]

Usually perma snare is good. Sometimes it be not.

[strange python]

probably crit mastery > but you can sim it (although the sim is likely to change)

That change should be minimal

[manic quartz]

its always the same stats on the boots, you cant change them

[royal lantern]

heroic fry time

[misty thicket]

we craft in same place as last patch?

[strange python]

oh joke's on me, i got blue linen on my boots

[royal lantern]

hey realz

[urban kayak]

!wa

[royal lantern]

we just started doing hc fyrakk

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

his aoe is sometimes invisible

[oblique jackal]

You might not see this but.. I think it's amazing how often you interact in discord. I also, find it cool that you actually enjoy playing the class too. Great job to your entire team on the rogue desgins! Cheers Realz

[marble hemlock]

can we have IC on enemy again, since aoe blind and spatter are on enemy too?

[spice spire]

I can never make you happy seli

[marble hemlock]

ive also started wondering if IC checks for the center of the hitbox of enemies, or the edge. theres one pack where it really makes no sense that it doesnt spread, which is the 2 big dwagons in doti. i actually have both in melee range, but for the life of me i cant get IC to spread it from one to the other

[sharp falcon]

IC is a mix of self and target, just trying to find a middle ground that feels 'about right' with how people commonly use it, matching intention and expectation

[marble hemlock]

dunno if thats contributing to people feeling like IC range is a bit too low atm. obviously theres still an expectation for it to work like previously, which was too generous of an AoE for sure

[sharp falcon]

tldr - it checks both, with different ranges (more for self, less for around target)

this was updated within the last couple days so, yeah

[marble hemlock]

definitely feel like the bigger the mob is, the less likely it is to get hit by IC even though it "feels" like i should hit it

[sharp falcon]

yeah, large hitbox can throw it off for sure

[misty kernel]

is it better for raid to craft shoulders or boots

anyone can tell plz

[marble hemlock]

boots, you play set shoulders

[misty kernel]

smoker the russian rogue told me shoulder sims better so i got counfsed

[marble hemlock]

shoulder sims have always been a bit scuffed

and at the end of the day, you wanna play fyrakk pantsu

[mortal elm]

Do we want to ensure we are above 150 during DM / KB Windows for the buff on Sanguine or always above 150? Im trying not to play around it as i see from this chat but my Sanguine Blades dmg is so low compare to other logs

[sharp falcon]

there could theoretically be some complicated vector math that would be more perfect, especially with extremely large hitbox enemies... but if i were to do it, it would take a while. Just don't have time for that. The self+target mix is newish, feedback on how it feels now is helpful and appreciated, but an overhaul is unlikely anytime soon

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock seliii

[static glacier]

dont pool during cds

[lethal heart]

tell me since i got your attention

[nova wraith]

Sorry, stupid question. Why do we shiv post-deathmark application? Are we not missing a proc?

[lethal heart]

whats the uptime of branch trinket in sim

does it assume good extends

or what does it do

[manic quartz]

you full send during CD's

[marble hemlock]

makes sense, yeah. i woudl assume that there could be some weird shenanigans similar to the anduin mythic stuff, where big enough enemies throw off the IC range calculation due to the center of the hitbox being on a different z axis

[static glacier]

it's just to maximise shiv uptime during KB, how else would you suggest doing it?

[spice spire]

1/1/7

[spice surge]

Both immediately and then the third one after 7 seconds

[marble hemlock]

tell you what? that i love you?

[misty kernel]

so craft this

[nova wraith]

Does a global sooner lose time on KB? :o

It shouldn't, at least in theory

[spice spire]

Ye

[marble hemlock]

ye

[static glacier]

so you mean shiv > dm> kb?

[nova wraith]

Yeah, essentially

[whole herald]

spiked counterweight is pretty shit isnt it?

[lethal heart]

[static glacier]

you can do that, I doubt it actually matters. my guess is it was simmed and dm>shiv was slightly higher than shiv > dm, also shiv >dm probably puts more stress on env uptime

[lethal heart]

[slim hamlet]

Are we spending at 4+ on aoe too btw

[static glacier]

honestly as long as you have shiv and dm up for kb it probably doesn't matter much

[nova wraith]

I guess yeah, KB is the important one

For Shiv, I mean

[marble hemlock]

are you telling me you got a branch too?

after getting dagger already?

[nova wraith]

I got mine on my 2nd rune

:)))

I am undeserving, first season playing Sin since...WoD

(In PvE)

[wary arch]

Hey guys, can anyone help me understand m+ priority ? I don’t get it why I don’t wanna press crimson tempest earlier, in several guides I saw that you press it really late, is it really a dps loss to not press it once early and then refresh it ? New to rogue esp. Assa

[storm flint]

!whispyr

[lethal heart]

i do

but idk if i wanna play it

its impossible to find your orbs

coz im blind + 30man but maybei ts coz it was hc/normal

[royal lantern]

reminder seli

the worst players

[marble hemlock]

ye i cant imagine that its like

fun to play branch

[royal lantern]

ALWAYS get the best loot

[nova wraith]

I mean realistically it is just a priority to get spatter up earlier

[marble hemlock]

on smth like nymue mythic

[lethal heart]

ye ofc

[marble hemlock]

ill say it rn, nymue mythic is gonna be worse than zskarn

[lethal heart]

thats why im 452 equipped

[marble hemlock]

1000%

[lethal heart]

after almsot full hc clear

im stacked

[subtle tundra]

fuck branch, dont even have it

[marble hemlock]

not always. sebbe is a fucking gamergod and hes still an overgeared 🐀 most of the time

then again he got owned by his old rogue buddy

everybody wouldve, tbf

[wary arch]

Thanks !

[nova wraith]

it is weird to play with tbh

[lethal heart]

[nova wraith]

idk how I feel about it

[subtle tundra]

got ashes of the embersoul

[nova wraith]

if you see my icon change to cold blood, know I've swapped back to sub because of branch :))

[subtle tundra]

not gonna farm branch

[marble hemlock]

forgot his name tho

[nova wraith]

I dislike the visual clarity

[marble hemlock]

was khajeera, right?

[lethal heart]

ah him ye

[nova wraith]

I think they should be way more visible

[marble hemlock]

cuz he was kinda insane

[stiff kernel]

How can I simplify my rotation to that of a BM hunter while simulatenously doing 1m dps?

[royal lantern]

hey, its how i try too cope with my bad loot rng every single patch

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

If anything you should stay assa but run ashes instead then

[whole herald]

play BM hunter

[spice surge]

Sub runs branch too

[lethal heart]

i might just send ashes

for hc

[ashen relic]

would 470 Augury be worth using in m+, currently its doing roughly 8% overall damage for me, but my'das and sandglass are both simming higher

[lethal heart]

coz i legit cant see anything

[gusty mirage]

I'll run into your arms

how about that

[spice surge]

Come on then bruv

[marble hemlock]

ye

[whole herald]

whats yalls problem with branch just hit it and forget about it ... its still crazy

[marble hemlock]

i genuinely think playing branch on like

smolderon or nymue is gonna be a nightmare

[soft shale]

it is

[wispy apex]

Should you aim not to be under 50% energy even in m+?

[royal lantern]

collect fire AND water orbs

[gusty mirage]

its the secret tech

you put out the fire with the water

shhh

[whole herald]

youre doing smt wrong if you drop below 50% energy in m+

[royal lantern]

obsidian orbs

[gusty mirage]

[stiff kernel]

So is Garrote > FoK > CT > FoK > FoK > Rup > Mut (for Spat) really better than Garrote > FoK > Rup > Mut (Earlier Spat) > FoK > FoK > CT? for M+?

[subtle tundra]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

but ye

fuck branch

embersoul gang

[spice spire]

I’m going out on a limb and just say that tryan is wrong here branch boy my king

[whole herald]

playing tindral rn and holy shit who thought dragon riding is a good idea for a fight

[marble hemlock]

put on a limb?

[spice spire]

Silence bozo

[marble hemlock]

how much sleep did you get

this week

[spice spire]

Ha

[runic hinge]

-4 hours

[royal lantern]

im embersoul gang

[runic hinge]

Quake running low

[royal lantern]

until i get a good branch

[blazing jewel]

LOGIN

[royal lantern]

then im team branch and complain about it

[marble hemlock]

were all still living in 2023 while quake is already handling cybernetics, putting on limbs

[clever perch]

is this updated?

are those trinkets our bis?

[spice spire]

No

Those are the best you can get from raid

Wowhead has a weird thing

[marble hemlock]

im incredibly sorry but

[spice spire]

Where they separate them out

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JUEtj/9893acdc35.jpg

just reads too funny in my mind

but ye most guides have like... multiple bis lists. one for loot only acquired from m+, one only for raid, and one that has EVERYTHING in it, including items you can craft, can only get from great vault etc.

[spice spire]

Wowhead just has raid and m+ iirc

[marble hemlock]

in that tab, ye, but theres an overall bis list at the top

[spice spire]

Neat

[marble hemlock]

(its right above that was linked)

[flat reef]

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this right... on ST boss fights when using the AoE build (such as m+) do I not use crimson tempest?

[vapid sierra]

if everything is grouped with old 4pc is envonem or ct better

assuming that you dont need to factor in cttc

just damage wise

[spice spire]

Correct

[grand swan]

Anyone else finding that their Sim is prio'ing haste a shit ton ? its telling me to have more haste than Mastery at this point ..

[spice spire]

Ct is something you maintain. We’re not spamming it

[spice spire]

Do you have branch?

[flint tusk]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[grand swan]

no i have Ashes though

[spice spire]

Odd

[broken ibex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand swan]

At this stage i am 4-5 ilvl lower than whats in bags because the SIm doesn't want me swapping out haste pieces etc..

wondering if i should just go with highest ilvl and just look at sims lateron when kinks might have ironed out?

[spice spire]

Sim smarter than man

Unless there’s like

[copper moth]

so do i break old 4 set for higher non set pieces ?

[spice spire]

A known bug which there isn’t afaik

[thorny aurora]

what's caustic spatter's range?

[spice spire]

Probably not, but it’s another raid it question.
You absolutely break 4 for 2 piece tho

[lean portal]

haste is rly good for us this patch

[spice spire]

12y

Centered on enemy

[grand swan]

mhm seems like

[lean portal]

way better than last patch im not surprised by sims

[grand swan]

thanks for clearing up my doubts

[thorny aurora]

so that's why it's not proccing on larodar's adds

ty

[spice spire]

🫡

[slim hamlet]

Throne of the tides is fun

Specially Ozumat

One tick

[copper moth]

raid it ?

[spice spire]

Raidbot

Sorry autocorrect

[keen spruce]

[timber meadow]

so the drag in galakrond has truesight but you can still walk by... is shroud even helping there or can you just walk by it normally?

like if it has truesight i dont see how the shroud helps

[copper moth]

thats a bit hard for m+ or

[spice spire]

Nah

You can slam ds or multi patchwerk

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage

[clever perch]

kekw

[slate crown]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[marble hemlock]

stop padding

and say hi to chizix

and ask him if he needs sjest

[earnest remnant]

he says yes

[dark token]

Show logs

[marble hemlock]

[dark token]

Stop padding Aug details meters

[earnest remnant]

i dont log m+ lol

[lethal heart]

[dark token]

More people should

Some interesting data

I wanna compare keys

[earnest remnant]

couldnt care less abobut m+

side content

[dark token]

But yeah assa is good I'm beating the BM hunters after nerf

[earnest remnant]

also aug is borked with assa

[dark token]

I can't believe ur taking an spriest tho they are the worst DPS I've ever seen in a dungeon atm

[earnest remnant]

caustic

[dark token]

Aug is making em look good

[earnest remnant]

doesent get re-attributed

[dark token]

O really

Our spriest (no Aug) was doing like 120k-140k in keys

Barely above tank

[marble hemlock]

[marble hemlock]

wouldnt be surprised if many abilities that were created/designed post-aug release arent

[junior aurora]

maybe they didnt bother making hooks for them bc they plan on just fixing their mistake

[modest gale]

do we play st builds on all bosses in raid?

[mortal elm]

Non 4P are we letting Envenom run down as close to dropping off before pressing it again after sitting on CP?

[junior aurora]

yes, you just swap internal bleeding to caustic spatter on fights where you need cleave

[tough dawn]

Mates, macro Shadow dance + Kingsbane its ok or i must first use shadow dance?

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[tough whale]

for pure turbo optimal play, it is slightly beneficial. But the millisecond you cap on energy it becomes a much larger dps loss

[mortal elm]

Yeah feel like im using to much energy tho as my Sanguine damage is giga low like 60% lower than some logs meaning im wasting to much which i cant really tell why but i assume its because im spamming to much envenoms

[visual stratus]

In longer pulls in m+, do you recommend holding Vanish at the end of Kingsbane in order to spread more bleeds after Kingsbane is finished? I know it's a question of prio damage vs. more spread out dmg, but is it something you would do in any scenario or should you just stick to using Vanish in Kingsbane?

[tough whale]

are you comparing top logs or relevant logs? Just be sure to double check aug buffs and PI windows as well

[mortal elm]

Just other guild logs and other things - i havent checked that but the hit counts of sanguine is a big variance so im obv below 150 more than i should be

[tough whale]

For sure - not saying youre right or wrong! Just a great habit to compare buffs and see if there's some external factors that may be affecting your hit counts.

[modest gale]

when do we use serrated bone spike?

[junior aurora]

in place of mutilate

[median agate]

Wait are we using bone spike, what happened

[junior aurora]

check pins

and sim urself first

[whole herald]

caustig for tindral?

seems kinda nutty

but im not sure if its worth

[modest gale]

rotation doesnt change with picking this talent for cleave?

[junior aurora]

no

[balmy condor]

I took a nap

What day is it

[jaunty crystal]

saturday

[merry raven]

it is wednesday, my dude

[hollow whale]

is there a good dreamcarver target for m+?

[balmy condor]

That dagger does nothing

[celest helm]

assass good

[merry raven]

mild cheat death on mechanical 🤷

[spare lodge]

How to branch? do I space out orbs?
How does the opener look, or do we not have a great idea yet?

[slim hamlet]

Arterial definitely feels like it fell off at 20+

[celest helm]

IDK arterial feels better to me the higher the key imo

[balmy condor]

Delay the 3rd orb

[slim hamlet]

That makes no sense

[balmy condor]

Bruh not this shit

[celest helm]

how so

[balmy condor]

Why do we expect builds to have expiration dates

Do they go bad like milk

What’s the angle here

[slim hamlet]

Yes

When it doesn't just pop everything in opening with shiv sudden demise its not as good imo

[runic hinge]

The milk dad never brought home. Where have you been?!

[celest helm]

Iv ran 3 or 4 different variations at 20-22s all feel almost identical to each other so far

[junior aurora]

its still a lot more bleed damage

[balmy condor]

I mean, okay?

Stimulated difference doesn’t take that into account and they’re all basically the same

[celest helm]

^

[balmy condor]

This has basically been my experience too

You have like the skeleton of either the shock build or the hybrid build

And then you can move around like 2-3 points

And it’s kinda all the same

[celest helm]

I found i prefer arterial bc of feelscraft, but in the end buttons feel same. I did swap to blindside for arterial and it feels smoother to play

[thorny aurora]

Finding these branch trinket orbs on Larodar

God I hate that fight

[junior aurora]

yeah feelcraft has a lot of points in blindsides favor lol

[slim hamlet]

I just said what I prefered

[balmy condor]

“It feels smoother”
The antimatter of data

[junior aurora]

u know what that robot of urs doesn't account for whispyr

the human element

dps is a feeling you know

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

I mean you trade off energy between both. Dashing gives you energy. Blindside indirectly gives you energy

[balmy condor]

It’s actually kinda funny because we kneecap the sim fairly regularly so it’s not able to play robotically

[slate crown]

I’ve played both now and yeah, I feel they feel the same to me

[whole herald]

why exactly did i lose this?

[junior aurora]

yeah but one lights up my screen for my monke brain dopamine hits

[slate crown]

Can’t argue with monke

I am defeated

[balmy condor]

There’s a delay built in where it can’t instantly react to animacharged cp if it gets a combo point like 250ms away from the next gcd for example

Sims play quite human-like

[flint tusk]

Out of interest is the opener garrote>ambush>rupture> clunking into a 1.5gcd due to subt one of them?

[junior aurora]

wtf is a covenant power whispyr

[balmy condor]

What

[minor gate]

They do a second roll but they don’t tell you the new number

[balmy condor]

Cause he rolled first

[slate crown]

Do you mean spamming your ambush (mutilate on non stealth bar) after rupture?

[balmy condor]

Not actually

[nocturne hawk]

So sim is like handicaped at a certain percentile of machine perfection?

[balmy condor]

Coping’s got the right idea

[flint tusk]

Yes

[whole herald]

what kind of bs is that

[junior aurora]

what do u want them to do

[old halo]

First run of everbloom! Lets GOOOO

[whole herald]

this dude didnt even bother getting previous tier for free