assassination

[thorny onyx]

or wait

....

[keen spruce]

group is done for the night. maybe i go farm daggies or trinket with pugs

[cobalt hemlock]

i think he means you get pi on pull and you need time to set up gar rup and evenom before slamming dm and kingsbane?

[keen spruce]

after I test this shit for whispyr

[balmy condor]

you can prep for that

it's not like it's a surprise when kingsbane comes off cooldown

[cobalt hemlock]

that is true

[haughty flicker]

the way i deal with pi is by crying about the fact that my priest wont even give me second pi over uhdk

[cobalt hemlock]

but woudnt you have to reapply your bleeds anyway since you want them have stealth buff?

[quiet oar]

You act like kingsbane has a fixed cooldown you can Plan for

[plain moon]

What do you do to prep for that?

[sick smelt]

Are we doing the envenom chains just while we're waiting for everything to come off cooldown?

[plain moon]

Also in practice sometimes stuff gets delayed by a few secs because of a mechanic or whatever

[limber lion]

Yupyup

And during cds you send

[fallen forge]

[balmy condor]

I mean you just make sure your rupture is ticking and your garrote is off cooldown pretty much

then you envenom shiv dance kb

[frank tangle]

you dont bother clipping envenoms during CDs?

[balmy condor]

and you're good to go

[limber lion]

I mean you do that automatically

By sending everythimg

But you don't pool

[frank tangle]

ok

[cobalt hemlock]

so you dont reapply rupture in dance for the nightstalker buff?

[frank tangle]

first time trying assa since legion the spec is so complicated now idk how to keep track of everything lol

[limber lion]

You have it up from stealth

Gar ambush rupture

[stark mirage]

Has anyone tried havoc? Is it easier than ass in mplus? Need an alt that can tank/dps with my friendgroup

[glad vapor]

DK is nice

[limber lion]

It's different, not easier or harder.

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah in the opener yeah but i mean the when you are doing the second kb with dance

[glad vapor]

for the tank/dps combo

[limber lion]

Assa is tricky with multidotting after IC but opener is easy and doing bulk of your dps is easy

Havoc is tracking cds and overlapping stuff

[torn peak]

is it normal that my aoe is literal dog if i dont have any cds or stealth

[balmy condor]

no need

[torn peak]

do u even bother dotting at that point

[cobalt hemlock]

ah okay i have beeing playing it wrong then gonna be slamming envenoms then

[plain moon]

But if I get PI right on pull I’m not DM until like 7-8 secs into the pull and kingsbane is coming even later than that it felt like I wasted most of the PI. Then ofc every PI after that was at least delayed by that same amount of time

[stark mirage]

overlapping stuff, like using your cds together to get stacking buff, then throw your big cannons in?

[limber lion]

Dots do the bulk of your damage and give you emergy why wouldn't yoy

[balmy condor]

okay so then don't get PI right on pull

[torn peak]

i have to dot one by onr

[haughty flicker]

if its a healer pi just ask him to delay it

[lucid otter]

Is there a good plater somewhere for m+ we mobs highlighted but also better dot windows

[torn peak]

without cds

[haughty flicker]

if its spriest you'll probably have to bribe them

[limber lion]

Like constantly having to track several cds to make stack them or maintain buffs, also a lot of dashing around into mechanics

[lucid otter]

I use quazi atm but am struggling to track my dots well

[limber lion]

Whispyr and I both have platers that does that

[lucid otter]

Oh Huge

[limber lion]

I think mine is not super optimal for current dungeond though in terms of colors

Try Whispyrs

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[plain moon]

Yeah I’m getting spriest PI. But this is also my first week with this guild so I don’t want part of my first impression to be complaining about PI timings. I’m just trying to make the best of it and learn from you guys on how to

[stark mirage]

Whispyrs plater, does that color mobs in this seasons dungeons, or is that a script/mod I need to import on top of it?

[plain moon]

Do you guys mostly get healer PIs or do you have an spriest that delays for you?

[torn peak]

@limber lion are u playing without wa like jpc?

[haughty flicker]

i dont get shit

[plain moon]

But one of my biggest problems was sometimes the kingsbane window in between DMs gets delayed because the boss charges away or something from some mechanic. So then at 2:07 my DM is back but I have to wait a bit for my KB since that wasn’t sent perfect on the 1min timer

So it was like I missed the whole PI by the time I’m sending my 2mins

[haughty flicker]

tbh this is all just stuff you have to talk to your priest/guild about

we cant give you any solution for stuff like that, its just down to you and your guild

[cobalt hemlock]

bunch of people like the macro that whispers your priest when to pi but not sure if shadow player wont want to just slam his pi for his dmg

[normal reef]

do you still use numbing poison on sanguine weeks or switch to athropic ?

[haughty flicker]

why would atrophic suddenly be better on sanguine

[strange python]

@midnight mist senpai my guild is already asking me to coach the other rogue for outlaw

[thorny onyx]

@cobalt hemlock I tried that yesterday but it send Bnet whispers and my healer doesnt want that. How can I macro so it just sends normal whisper? Anyone know?

[strange python]

o oops wrong chat

[normal reef]

so they get quicker out of sanguine instead of casting when out of kicks ?

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor

[haughty flicker]

numbing doesnt slow movespeed

thats crippling

[cobalt hemlock]

i dont know how that works but yeah wow whisper is definitely better lol

[spiral pasture]

anyone else have branch and embersoul sim basically same at same ilvl?

[plain moon]

That’s fair. Guess that just leaves me wondering what the “norm” is

[limber lion]

Hell no

That's demon shit

[keen spruce]

i have no idea of doomblade is even supposed to get buffed by it but the numbers are so small and the mutilate damage rng makes it hard to figure out

[balmy condor]

well

keep going

[torn peak]

be the demon

[keen spruce]

so i'm gonna assume it's the saame

[cobalt hemlock]

jpc is absolute mad lad

[balmy condor]

its supposed to be buffed

[keen spruce]

huh?

[balmy condor]

doomblade

it's a bleed

supposed to work with lethal dose

[haughty flicker]

keep testing duck boy

[keen spruce]

let me bust out the calculator

hang on

[limber lion]

Click dummy without LD, see damage

Click dummy with LD, see damage

[keen spruce]

mutilate does variable damage

[limber lion]

Bigger? Pog

[keen spruce]

which makes doomblade do variable damage

[plain moon]

Yeah something like that is perfect but idk if I’ll get that. Do we prefer the PI on DM cast or KB cast in that situation?

[balmy condor]

yeah

so here's what you do

talent into bone spike

[keen spruce]

yes yes yes

that's what i'm doin

[cobalt hemlock]

deathmark since 2 min cd 2min pi im preety sure

[keen spruce]

gimmy a sec

[balmy condor]

and then you do one test with 100 mutilates

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

with no bleeds and poisons

and then another test with 100 mutilates

with poisons and bleeds

[cobalt hemlock]

thats some cursed testing you all do that normally?

[keen spruce]

no whispyr just makes me do it

[balmy condor]

typically it would've been me and koji hitting the dummies to make sure simc implementations are correct

sometimes cev

but uh

cev no time

and me no time

and koji quit game

so I gotta find new apes to hit dummies

[keen spruce]

shmeeps takes payment in bread crumbs

[cobalt hemlock]

damn

[balmy condor]

and the duck is perfect

[marble hemlock]

its not a matter of complaining, its a matter of optimizing. if you do it in a constructive way, theyll appreciate you for it

[cobalt hemlock]

apes lmao

[balmy condor]

I have like 3-4 people that I call my testing monkeys

it's a term of love

[keen spruce]

but only one testing duck

[marble hemlock]

first thing i did when i was assigned PI yday by a shadowpriest, was to ask the other guy who also got PI, at what point he asks for it

cause i know that the SP wants to kinda send it faster than I do

takes all of 30 seconds to figure out, and your raid is better off for it

[plain moon]

What was ur solution/other guys solution?

[marble hemlock]

SP just used it later, when i hit my macro

[keen spruce]

that is very simp spriest

[marble hemlock]

based balkan briest

[low quartz]

guys - quick question - for M+ what does your accelerated aoe opener look like, I feel like if we take the slow route, shit dies while we're ramping

Im struggling a bit on aoe honestly

[marble hemlock]

but nah seriously, dont be afraid to speak up when youre new in a guild, if its something of substance that shows you think about the best interest of the raid. you asking for a better PI timing isnt a matter of "padding" or smth, and you dont have to do it on voice either. im sure theres chat channels etc. to do it in

[cobalt hemlock]

preeety sure you just set up bleeds evenon and then slam cds maybe do crimson tempest after the cds? idk

and look for big spatter dmg

[neat horizon]

i need the big iq assa heads here to answer me on this one please: if i wanted to play both outlaw and sin (outlaw m+ and sin for raid) but wanted to make it as easy as possible without farming 2 sets of gear for each spec, what stats would work out well for both without losing on much ?

because as i know outlaw plays crit vers while sin plays crit mastery

crit's shared which is good, but its up to the second stat

[haughty flicker]

on the topic of pi

i just checked logs and learned that my priest is not only just using pi on the dk, they arent even using it at 2m on longer fights and just waiting for 4m

[low quartz]

right now, on a big pack, garotte x3, rapture x2 (cause x3 takes too long) - envenom, slam cds, then crimson

[modest glen]

So you ask for PI like 7-8 sec into the fight right?

[plain moon]

Yeah ur 100% right. The PI timings/who gets it is just a math question over anything else for overall raid damage. Just want to walk that line without coming across as somebody who’s difficult or selfish

[marble hemlock]

not spending a single GCD to apply CT before you do your KB is a big no-no

[plain moon]

It also doesn’t help i DMd the RL about me getting a PI and he ignored it me. So sending another one at this point is me double texting

https://tenor.com/view/texting-text-risky-running-away-gif-20358470

[marble hemlock]

oh, i assumed you were told to ask for PI

[plain moon]

Me sending the 2nd DM^

[marble hemlock]

anyway, if you are supposed to get PI, just talk to the priest and find out what works for them

[weak sierra]

So we should definitely CT before slamming the kings bane

[plain moon]

Well we’re doing 30man splits and I noticed he assigned a PI to a dragon that’s playing aug now

[marble hemlock]

its the same for augvokers, they kinda need to adjust their rotation a bit and when to send their CDs, based on what class theyre supporting

[plain moon]

So I was asking about that PI trying to be helpful assuming he just thought he was still dev

[last onyx]

Glad i have my disc pet

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor doomblade working

[marble hemlock]

id say so, yeah. not having CT up for like 15+ sec is just... not good. why even talent it if you barely keep 50% uptime on it in aoe

[balmy condor]

good good

[cobalt hemlock]

hmm in whispyrs guide it says to ct after cds tho

[marble hemlock]

at this point im unironically thinking about sending KB without dance in aoe, and then drop the dance after to refresh bleeds cause they tend to all run out, significantly dropping your uptime and SBlade damage

[cobalt hemlock]

hmmm that sounds like cook im gonna stick to the guide xD

[haughty flicker]

cooking is good though

[lethal widget]

Likely the pack will die from your caustic burst alone and the globals spent to CT are wasted

[haughty flicker]

nice duck

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt in your cds spatter deal the most dmg tho? or am i wrong with that

and bigger kingsbane does more spatter

[lethal widget]

You worry about spatter first CT is an after thought

[sick smelt]

SD at the last 6 seconds of KB or dance + kb?

[lethal widget]

Dance KB

[marble hemlock]

i mean if were playing keys where mobs die within 15secs of the pull? sure

[sick smelt]

alrighty, so is there a reason not to macro them together?

[modest glen]

IC needs a range increase

[marble hemlock]

nah, on st you just dance+kb togethert at all times

[marble hemlock]

sure, but whats stopping you from using CT during KB?

[lethal widget]

The fact that by the time you get it up you have to re apply spatter and envenom basically wasting the whole set up

[marble hemlock]

huh?

[lethal widget]

Better to just burst and then apply CT

[balmy condor]

you cast CT during dance during KB it's fine

[marble hemlock]

youre in an aoe situation where you easily generate enough CP to maintain envenom during KB while also being able to CT (which would then snapshot NS as well)

what im more confused about rn though is

that i just ran a quick 5t sim to check for the CT DPE

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JUBLd/806e5a210b.png

why the fuck is it mutilating twice

[lethal widget]

You literally just CT after you burst man lol

It’s reapplying spatter

[marble hemlock]

when it still has 8sec left?

[raven egret]

I've 100% been using CT during KB, what's the point in holding it? Spatter lasts forever it's plenty of time to reapply

[balmy condor]

mmmmm idk I'll take a quick look probably a tomorrow thing though

[lethal widget]

No one’s saying you can’t CT during KB

[balmy condor]

mine didn't do it

[zinc sentinel]

Does ambush 100% replace mutilate in your rotation in stealth windows?

[balmy condor]

lmao

[lethal widget]

He’s saying he wants to apply CT before the KB to get more uptime

[lethal widget]

Yea

[faint path]

Which talents are u playing on m+ ?

[marble hemlock]

L

[balmy condor]

oh I know what happened

your sample sequence got unlucky and didn't apply deadly poison

so it had to mutilate again

cause it didn't apply caustic

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

I remember

I've seen this before

[haughty flicker]

thats cursed

[balmy condor]

any of the builds in the guide, they're all basically the same

[raven egret]

RIP deadly poison

[marble hemlock]

makes sense

[indigo mulch]

I must say though, i really enjoy being able to just swap into caustic to start cleaving.

[balmy condor]

cause the N line there is mutilate,if=talent.caustic_spatter&dot.rupture.ticking&(!debuff.caustic_spatter.up|debuff.caustic_spatter.remains<=2)&variable.use_filler&!variable.single_target

so it only mutilates if it's not up or you need to refresh

[marble hemlock]

ye it doesnt track DP in the sequence so i couldnt see it

[balmy condor]

nice

APL working as intended

love to see it

I can rest easy

[indigo mulch]

[hoary shell]

@balmy condor current apl does pool energy for sanguine blades am I right on ST?

[lethal widget]

It’s only wrong if it doesn’t work 5head

[balmy condor]

yes

[hoary shell]

great

[marble hemlock]

thoughts on desyncing dance from KB in aoe whispyr? you lose the NS bonus but you gain another set of IC bleeds after the first set runs out

[balmy condor]

succ

[marble hemlock]

ulent?

[balmy condor]

no

just succ

[oak tangle]

any tips on keeping up envenom buff and refreshing a rupture? is it just hold for a blindside proc?

[marble hemlock]

you just dont want to press another hotkey do you?

[balmy condor]

no

it just doesn't make any sense

and here's why

if you have 5 targets

you gar gar rup

you mut for caustic

you get snd up

you fok for another rup

you fok for envenom

then you deathmark, shiv

it's like 10 seconds before you get to even thinking about dance

then when you garrote, your first garrotes are near pandemic already

so that's a W

[marble hemlock]

yeah but thats not how most trashpulls play out when you already start with snd running and likely have CP from the previous pull as well

[hushed fern]

anyone else has giga problems with boss dmg in m+? i barely get 100k dps at the end of bosses in 18s

[marble hemlock]

which cuts that entire setup by 4sec

[balmy condor]

well the CP is irrelevant lmao you would still double garrote

[hushed fern]

and energy is like 0 all the time

[marble hemlock]

sure but youd g>r>g

[balmy condor]

spooky

[marble hemlock]

its just 1 gcd ofc

[balmy condor]

same sequence

[hoary shell]

I saw some variation also on ST that there are people who vanish -> kb and ShD last 5 secs of KB. I was wondering if there is sim that can actually verify whether it's gain or loss

[balmy condor]

the point stands, you're casting garrote at like 10 seconds in, close to the pandemic of original garrotes from stealth

you then desync the vanish instead

and that's your extension

[marble hemlock]

but vanish is 2min

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

get some nelf tech going

[balmy condor]

in your dream situation here where this is relevant the pull itself is like 2 minutes long

so i don't see the issue

[balmy condor]

it's a small loss

[hoary shell]

@balmy condor thank you, good to know

[balmy condor]

it's basically to the point of like

yeah you could

if you want to

but you also could just like

[marble hemlock]

well im more looking at like... 40-50sec pulls, where the first set of ruptures runs out and you basically dont have decent ways to keep them rolling without a 2nd IC window somewhere in that pull

[balmy condor]

do the same thing you do every minute with dance->kb

macro them together

and live your life

no need to make things complicated unnecessarily

[marble hemlock]

you know me better than that by now

[thorny aurora]

Just a question about m+
if you can't restealth in between pulls (for instance your tank is chain pulling)
do you not use vanish in the opener and keep it for like next pull to spread garrotes/ruptures?

[strange python]

230k overall no aug everbloom

[balmy condor]

I ain't even talking to you

[marble hemlock]

thats not how you get me to touch your blue ball

[balmy condor]

oh

[lethal widget]

Abort

[balmy condor]

this sim doesn't have scent

[cinder geode]

when do you finish with crimson tempest rather than focusing on a mob with caustic spatter?

[balmy condor]

no wonder it's spamming envenom lmao

[balmy condor]

when crimson tempest is refreshable

it's a bleed

just maintain it

[cinder geode]

ah i see

[marble hemlock]

id generally recommend not using vanish in m+ like you do in raids

[lethal widget]

I tend to use it as a sudo aoe silence

That doubles as a damage amp

[keen spruce]

i have begun saving my vanish

for tech

[marble hemlock]

its more of a utility cd for the silences/stuns/getting IC when you really need it but cant get it

[thorny aurora]

ye so spread garrotes/ruptures from stealth, go into sd/kb, respread garrotes
then hold vanish to do that again if you can't go back to stealth before the next pull, correct?

[keen spruce]

in keys

[lethal widget]

Yee the aoe silence and cheap shot aspect is to strong

[wild beacon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[lethal widget]

Easier to do dam if the group is alive lol

[keen spruce]

iron wire goes dummy hard

[torn peak]

any useful macros to lesser my buttons? like deathmark and trinket

[oak tangle]

i just have vanish and garrote bound, if i ever need to just natty vanish that's a open spellbook angle

[keen spruce]

with dance and vanish

[thorny aurora]

deathmark and trinket / you can also macro shadow dance with kingsbane

[torn peak]

whats the point of that

[keen spruce]

deathmark, trinket, pot can all go on 1 macro

shadowdance and kingsbane on another

that's kind of like

the only main ones

everything else seems pretty extra

[torn peak]

also what pot

[keen spruce]

combat pot

[lethal widget]

I’ve been playing on hard mode with kingsbane and dance separate XD

[thorny aurora]

elemental pot of ultimate power

[marble hemlock]

the general notion about m+ should always be, that DPS is what allows you kill bosses, but playing to survive is what allows you to actually get better at the game

[torn peak]

why do i macro sd and kb again use wgichever available?

[oak tangle]

😮

[lethal widget]

Hard agree

[marble hemlock]

main difference between a good and a great m+ dps player, is that the great dps player stops in his tracks to do smth that actually saves a key, at the cost of his own personal dps. i.e. a DH cancelling their eyebeam to cast a stun, rogues spending CP or cooldowns on just disrupting mobs instead of optimizing dps, stuff like that

[thorny aurora]

because they both have a 1min cd and you always want to send kingsbane in shadowdance

because kingsbane snapshots the nightstalker debuff

[oak tangle]

i'm the middle ground, i use utility spells, but i have to click them

[lethal widget]

Ahh yes the ol clicked 5cp kidney at the last .2 seconds of the shield mob channel

[marble hemlock]

clicking doesnt make you a bad player, but you could typically be a better one if you hotkey everything becuase it means you need to spend less brainpower on using your mouse in your UI

[keen spruce]

you're always going to press shadowdance with kingsbane

and dance isn't on GCD

so might as well macro them together

[thorny aurora]

@marble hemlock do you hold both charges of shiv for kb windows when playing ap? or do you send one on cd not to cap charges and keep the other for the last 8s of kb

[torn peak]

i like the idea

im also a bit lost on shiv

when should i use it or how to use it properly

[sick smelt]

we arent using KB+SD until deathmark is up, right?

[oak tangle]

to cover all of kb window

[keen spruce]

shiv right before shadown dance / kb

[torn peak]

use 2 charge?

[keen spruce]

then shiv again

right when that one runs out

[keen spruce]

you use it one set of KB+SD in between each deathmark

[oak tangle]

16s of shiv debuff, 14s of kb

if anyone has played arcane mage, we have basically the exact same kinda cd management as them

1 min bursts with alternating power

[marble hemlock]

i dont play AP in m+, so no idea

[torn peak]

also caustic splatter with rupture garrote ct up is more dps than fok right i always forget to mutilate and spam fok

[keen spruce]

you want spatter up

in all AoE situations

and just maintain it

so throw in a mutilate every 10s or whatever

[torn peak]

hows the damg work for spatter

like for whole duration

[oak tangle]

whilst spatter debuff is up, all poison damage cleaves

[torn peak]

my coats cleaves too theb

[oak tangle]

to get spatter up you mutilate a ruptured and poison debuffed target

[rain cairn]

ayo, whens our optimal time to get pi? just do it when we hit DM or should it be saved for KB pumping?

[keen spruce]

i mean

deathmark is 2 globals before KB

so either

[rain cairn]

fair ig

[steel spire]

Tab or click to reapply bleeds

[strange python]

guys

89k overall in an ravenhold+15 is alright with 430 ? flat, no tset or trinkets

[keen spruce]

smart people use a mouse over macro

i'm am not a smart people

so i tab or click name plates

sometimes I don't do either

and i just rip garrotes into one target

which is extra bad

[fringe token]

Sup fellas. So as far as i’ve heard raid wise. Outlaw should be the better perfoming one. Even though i a lot more People playing assa. I know you hate these kinda of questions, but I really can’t wrap my head around it. I enjoy both specs, so just wanna know which one to gear for. Hope for an answer

[haughty flicker]

i rip garrotes into one target to assert dominance

also depending on target count it doesnt actually matter no

[keen spruce]

they're both going to be good and played at a high level. gear the one you like more

[strange python]

that question is not smart. play what u like most , gear what u like most

[keen spruce]

yeah but i'm doin it in to packs of like 15+ mobs

[visual stratus]

On the two minute Deathmark window, do you use Vanish before Deathmark for improved garrote or during Kingsbane?

[haughty flicker]

oh ye thats not great

[steel spire]

Triple gar the same target in huge packs are a vibe

[keen spruce]

look sometimes

[low quartz]

interesting - arterial shock build seems to be the recommended build for M+ now, what changed? Also, how does this effect our rotation?

[haughty flicker]

i do it too

[keen spruce]

my laziness takes precident

[haughty flicker]

im not talking shit

laziness is op

[keen spruce]

iver my efficiency

over

[drifting cloud]

you do the same as on the first one

[steel spire]

I run with a surv and dh so shit just dies

[keen spruce]

it is?

[willow kite]

mouse over garrotes with no acro is so cursed while running/gather AOE in m+

[manic quartz]

No? You do the normal dm, you get imp garrote in dance anyway

[willow kite]

so I sometimes be lazy and just garrote into same target as well

[visual stratus]

Ty

[arctic current]

is wowhead opener correct atm?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[zinc sentinel]

I really love Luxthos' WA's but his assa aura sucks dick i feel like

Anyone know any good ones?

[haughty flicker]

whispyr bamboozled us

[keen spruce]

tf

[drifting cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
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[arctic current]

kk thx

[keen spruce]

that build

[keen spruce]

has to have like infinitely worse ST

[keen spruce]

now i must sim more

[balmy condor]

it's not bad

[haughty flicker]

pins update

[balmy condor]

people ahve been liking it

if you're gonna sim a build

[keen spruce]

i knew about the pin

[balmy condor]

I'll save you the trouble

[keen spruce]

i didn't know u made it the default

[steel spire]

My poor mo macro for gar and rupture is just collecting dust since legion

[balmy condor]

there's cursed shit out there

like this dtb build that doesn't take any poison talents and you'd play instant poison

which is like

definitely one of the builds of all time

also no sudden demise

and just

yeah

this exists

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

im using that build in this pug key now

[balmy condor]

out of all the builds, this is one of them

but god damn don't play this

[low quartz]

hahahaha

so with arterial shock

do we still hold shivs for kb windows? or be more liberal with them now

[balmy condor]

the arterial shock build I just swapped tiny toxic for blindside

cause "feels better"

you still hold for KB

same rules

[keen spruce]

but u called it the default choice

that's what what's his name was askin about

[steel spire]

Free ambush so I can spam buttons

[keen spruce]

but as always, i'm assuming the answer is "it doesn't matter they're all good, play what you like"

except that instant poison build

don't play that

[strange python]

so no one could answer my question

[balmy condor]

yeah

idk

was fine

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

I tried basically every build under the sun and they all did kinda the same shit tbh

take twist the knife fuck it yolo

all these hoes the same

[keen spruce]

true and real

[balmy condor]

also yeah, no one can answer your question cause like

dungeon overall dps

with random gear

in a low key

on a pug

L bozo

too many variables

[sturdy mesa]

But whispyr is 180k overall ok in a +5 throne of the tides? with 471 ilvl gear

[balmy condor]

90k seems low though but like no tier set?

who fucking knows

[drifting cloud]

if we knew your local weather at the time of the key itd be easier to pinpoint

[strange python]

ok

[keen spruce]

aug, no aug? good tanking? wipes? deaths? pull size?

[balmy condor]

like hey is it okay if I do 150k single target but saturn is in retrograde next week

idk man

[strange python]

i see

[keen spruce]

are you 430 with 460 weps or 420 weps

trinkets?

[strange python]

i see

okok

[keen spruce]

if u timed the key you did enough dmg

[haughty flicker]

damn i didnt know saturn was in retrograde next week

[strange python]

i just wanted a vague answer lul

[drifting cloud]

well its all guesswork

[keen spruce]

the varianace is too high to guess

[low quartz]

tbh, my single target seems fine - its my aoe thats suffering a bit, compared to ungabunga dh press eyebeam gg timed key - so lets try this shit out

[drifting cloud]

I timed an 18 doing 130k, did I play like shit? probably but key was timed who cares

[keen spruce]

like if u take every 430 ilvl no tier rogue in a +15. my guess is somewhere between... 40k-120k

[faint path]

I just finished 15 everbloom 255k dps overall we had outlaw he finished 155k...

[flint tusk]

That narrow
?

[midnight mist]

Well if you think like this you never improve tho

[willow kite]

If you drop lightweight shiv in m+ you just shiv the end part of KB, right?

[keen spruce]

true

shoulda been like 30k-160k

[drifting cloud]

just an example french man

[strange python]

is alright got u guys

[low quartz]

what has higher prio in aoe -> blindside proc or fok

[fallen forge]

im the outlier (38k)

[keen spruce]

my heart says FoK but my head says "i have no fukin idea "

[low quartz]

lol

[haughty flicker]

no foking idea you mean

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

also wowhead updated I simplified the cheat sheet cause people too much brain rot can't make a decision when there's more than 1 build, I added the bone spike stuff and fixed some of the bugs people reported with build imports on the raid stuff

if things weird pls ping I fix tomorrow

FaQ soon

idk when

don't ask

wowhead guide good

bedge

[midnight mist]

Mmh

When faq tho

[balmy condor]

mute @midnight mist

[midnight mist]

I wanna read the faq on phone while pooping

Wowhead is bad for that

[marble hemlock]

whats the import string for it? gonna push highkeys and log out with that build so people think thats what i play

[midnight mist]

Tf you trynna do bud

[balmy condor]

tryna zacAssassinationChannelBaguette.gif ya feel

[balmy condor]

I'd rather drink paint thinner

[steel spire]

[zinc sentinel]

im new to assa but i CANNOT get my opener to do any real dmg

[keen spruce]

it's actually ZacFetchRavenholdt3.gif

[midnight mist]

Nice

[zinc sentinel]

with all CDS, in the right order? i get like 130k

[low quartz]

love our stat priority - all stats are loved and valued, except that bitch versatility

[drifting cloud]

our stat prio is item level

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JUBUa/ec429081ac.jpg

i sorted it, dw

[keen spruce]

I did my first "i know this isn't important at all but imma do it anwways" full regem and re-enchant of the season

[haughty flicker]

shame

[keen spruce]

I couldn't help it

[midnight mist]

Guys I got this neck yesterday, heard the stats were bis for sin ??

[drifting cloud]

clearly you got it 48min ago you big liar!

[haughty flicker]

no that just means he raid logs

like a real man

[haughty flicker]

you know

[midnight mist]

I'm at school can only send old screenshots

[haughty flicker]

i saw that immediately after i typed it

but it was too late

[drifting cloud]

how many splits do you do zac

[midnight mist]

Just 2

[haughty flicker]

18

[midnight mist]

It's chill

[haughty flicker]

close

[drifting cloud]

are you a double rogue player

[midnight mist]

No but I think I'm just doing another rogue for next tier

[flint tusk]

Damn only two splits not very flexible

[midnight mist]

I realized I didn't wanna play anything else than rogue

[balmy condor]

Based

[midnight mist]

I would want to do splits on another spec instead

Like sin

[drifting cloud]

yuck!

[balmy condor]

Based

[midnight mist]

But I'm stuck Playing enhance now

So unlucky

Next tier tho I'm definitely doing that

[keen spruce]

i also might get a backup rogue workin again

mercenary raiding on warlock is painful

it'd be easier to just play a spec i know

[ocean plover]

hi guys i got 27% crit, 0% haste, 59% mastery, 23% versa and sim 125k dps ST with Volcoross Subcreation Top Tree Talents. Why does it sim so low? i tought Mastery --> Crit --> Haste --> Versa is the way to go as Assa

[midnight mist]

Kid you not I wanted to play sin a bit, but I got the claw from raid and this neck so I'm a bit stuck now

[woven oxide]

hey how is sin in m+ right now currently playing outlaw but guild wants me to swap for raid

[keen spruce]

that's not how any of this works

[balmy condor]

Probably cause your ilvl sucks or your trinkets suck or your tier sucks. Stats is legit the last thing to care about

[ocean plover]

would be glad for some tips

[balmy condor]

Good

[ocean plover]

446 ilvl, 0 set, trinkets: Beacon and Bombdispenser - on Sub i sim 140k and outlaw 138k

[unique sorrel]

The funny arterial build in the pin is actually pretty spicy this week

That or blindside is a fun proc to eat

[balmy condor]

Yeah fucking L then no set and garbage trinkets

[ocean plover]

hm okay mate thanks for your help

[drifting cloud]

in 10.2 full bis basically I sim 140, so honestly impressive yours is only 15k less

[ocean plover]

tought Assa would be stronger in ST than other Speccs but if you tell me, that your sim bis 140k gg

[flint tusk]

[ornate jetty]

im scared of our dmg that might be nerfed by blizz gods? :<

[balmy condor]

Yeah be terrified bro

Shiver in your boots

[ornate jetty]

shivering

[balmy condor]

Lock your doors

[midnight mist]

Gg it's so over

At least rogue have another 2 good specs doing the same damage

[flint tusk]

‘Good’ subjective putting outlaw there ever

[balmy condor]

This one rogue crushed a bunch of people afking adds

Oh no

[midnight mist]

Ok wtf

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

14% 1 talent is pretty good

[balmy condor]

Yeh it legit looks like bro got to do infinite add damage

[flint tusk]

In before rogue just #padding

[keen spruce]

sort by lasher damage

[drifting cloud]

ow yeah I did an everbloom and I tried to stay above 150 energy on last boss

[balmy condor]

This is prog season 2 damage

On an aoe boss

[drifting cloud]

this is kinda funny

[flint tusk]

No need to pull a mans trousers down bro

[midnight mist]

Why you guys so mean here wtf

[flint tusk]

Wet wipe

[balmy condor]

We are mean we’re realistic

[flint tusk]

[midnight mist]

I won't share my sin logs with you now

I'm too scared

[keen spruce]

I mean

[drifting cloud]

dont worry zac ill bully whispyr for you while you sleep

[keen spruce]

it's not like you can intentionally pad with spatter

you just talent into it

and it does damage

[midnight mist]

Thanks Ryler

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

That’s fine I didn’t want to see your logs Zac

No skin off my back

[flint tusk]

We see enough gray parses

[drifting cloud]

I bet his guild raided while he was working again

what a sucker

[balmy condor]

It’s true they did

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

They funnel me gear now surely though

To make up for it

[midnight mist]

No but they all play m+ all day while I have to work

Truly sad

[balmy condor]

He’s talking bout me frenchie

[midnight mist]

Gg

[ornate jetty]

sorry for overreacting

[lyric kelp]

in M+ scenarios, what should dealing highest overall dmg? Caustic, Garrote or Rupture?

[midnight mist]

If they are mean to you in here, you can come to outlaw we are very welcoming

[balmy condor]

You aren’t the first and you won’t be the last we chillin

[ornate jetty]

i was just surprised how much cleave we can do

[balmy condor]

Garrote

[velvet ridge]

sudden demise for sure

[ornate jetty]

nah its fine

[balmy condor]

God you’re so based

[floral kernel]

Yalnu handing out feelsggoodman's

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s definitely nothing wrong with that

Working as intended

[floral kernel]

[balmy condor]

Just crop the tier and sanguine out

Ez

That’s getting hotfixed though for sure

No way that lives until Friday

[hoary shell]

outlaw's 4p t30 doing same

[balmy condor]

Ye

[ornate jetty]

tough love over here

[keen spruce]

wait this dumbas egg shell

procs less than call to suffering

[haughty flicker]

huge

[keen spruce]

i think it's time

to gulag in everbloom

until branch

[unique sorrel]

I got branch twice in a row and my guildies told me I’ve lost all my loot luck

[faint path]

So slime over toxic huh

[balmy condor]

No

Never

[unique sorrel]

That or it’s gonna take nine years to get Nick of Time

[balmy condor]

Slime boots are dogshit

Don’t even think about crafting them

[faint path]

Time to craft toxic 476 then

[balmy condor]

Amen

[willow kite]

I've got toxic patch on belt, and all I'm getting from m+ is fucking belts

[low quartz]

uh - why does this build feel fucking FANTASTIC - blindside is a dream

[unique sorrel]

I haven’t decided if imma use the lower crafting token or an aspects token for my boots

[willow kite]

i'm looking like a final fantasy character by now

[marble hemlock]

why does this lookj like overwatch

[keen spruce]

i got it in like 3-4 runs

[strange python]

overwatch skin

[river cipher]

I remember being asked in ptr "why would you go blindside in M+". That shit go brrrrr

[wet briar]

do I craft a season 2 item for patch and go down ilvl or nah

[strange python]

Which build you talking about?

[marble hemlock]

we already made fun of them in our secret assa channel that only people without outlaw/sub roles can see

[fallen raven]

patch doesn’t scale with ilvl, i’d slam that with the free wyrm crest and use an aspect for boots personally

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[low quartz]

arterial build

[strange python]

🤫

[strange python]

ahhy eah i've been running that with blindside too

[lofty junco]

how much is the difference between this new blindside m+ build and this?

[willow kite]

that sounds like the strat

[low quartz]

single target is still great - combo / energy is so much smoother

[strange python]

Agree - I'd play it if only for the boss dmg not stopping for 20 sec at 5 energy

[low quartz]

my sanguine blades damage skyrocketed too

[midnight mist]

I private log bozo can't get me

[marble hemlock]

you think we cant pay off one of your guildies to share your logs?

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-underestimate-gif-7915876

[midnight mist]

[subtle tundra]

why is this the 3rd time i see this question

[lofty junco]

sry i just woke up

whats the tldr answer?^^

[keen spruce]

i'm pugging into a 20 BRH

at 3 am

surely nothing could go wrong here

[lofty junco]

u jinxed it^^

[manic rock]

doesn't that paragraph say 4% less?

[river cipher]

Them 3am pugs are either god runs or shitters

[blazing jewel]

Filthy private logger

[river cipher]

You either log out or go to sleep at 5am after

[strange python]

The problem is - how would you quantify the builds to put them against eachother?
Based on what, 5-target theoretical maximum dps for x amount of time?

You gotta play a decent, viable m+ build that feels good

[lofty junco]

but isn't the hybrid not the pinned blindside build?

[unique sorrel]

Feeliecrafting says blindside makes brain create serotonin 🙂

[lofty junco]

[subtle tundra]

i dont even know what the new bs build is

[unique sorrel]

It’s the one in pins

[subtle tundra]

imma try it now

fast 20 waycrest

[midnight mist]

You don't know how much I would give to public log

[blazing jewel]

-3 target cap

[midnight mist]

Ok well

[drifting cloud]

zac, no flame do you mind sharing your sark wipe count if you remember

[midnight mist]

Maybe not that much

[drifting cloud]

or if youre allowed

[midnight mist]

Ye give me 5 min and I will go check

[drifting cloud]

👀

[dire vigil]

any1 have some good tips on spreading bleeds on new pack when tank is chain pulling and cant get a re-stealth off for IC?

[manic rock]

unsure about that build, think when i tried the import string was incorrect

[low quartz]

someone make a case for blackjack instead of TotT - who tf saps

[strange python]

Import - to wowhead calculator works. That said, i think it's just in the wowhead guide now.

[blazing jewel]

COUNCIL IS THE BEST BOSS IN THE RAID

[fallen raven]

you do aoe blind though

[blazing jewel]

[manic rock]

right. use blackjack for the blind DR

[hushed fern]

https://gyazo.com/d3e5cc9e723b1e40d99db14ce9dcacd8

[midnight mist]

298

[drifting cloud]

[midnight mist]

Is that high? I have no idea

[river cipher]

... fel bat pup?

In atal?

[hushed fern]

na brh 18 xd

[river cipher]

Oh lmfao

[drifting cloud]

pretty high for your wr yeah

we had 110

[midnight mist]

We had 100 just for P1 prolly

I wasn't there the first 100 pulls, benched gg

[drifting cloud]

was it 100 pulls without atro

[midnight mist]

No it was 100 pulls with only one rogue that wasn't me

[strange python]

ok so I got all day to get a trinket (or two) to upgrade my garbage 421 trinkets.

I watched two people get branch yesterday so

[drifting cloud]

you have a 450 trinket in time rift

[strange python]

oh is it a good one?

[drifting cloud]

well its ok, and its 30 ilevels higher

[strange python]

I'll have to read about it - I just came back to the game like 2 weeks ago so just catching up

[river cipher]

I got mydas

[drifting cloud]

its very easy, 10min of work of which you can afk 8

[strange python]

ok sweet, thanks

[river cipher]

And the spike trinket

[unique sorrel]

I’m in the “it feels better therefore is better” mindset atm with it - fuck the numbers

[midnight mist]

We just raid a lot, 5/6 days during progress

[strange python]

i have a thing in my inventory that "guarantees me a piece of gear"
I should pop that right?

[blazing jewel]

Zac’s going to close his eyes tonight and see 4000 subterfuge icons

[midnight mist]

Scana I'm addicted to this game

[drifting cloud]

6days??

[blazing jewel]

[drifting cloud]

wtf french built different

[midnight mist]

Ye 6 days

Ye idk all french top guilds are raiding a lot

I like it so I don't mind it that much

[blazing jewel]

ID 1 pulled volcoros surely our guilds do right

[river cipher]

But like... an hour a day right?

[drifting cloud]

the werent even close to enrage scana

[blazing jewel]

[drifting cloud]

seems piss compared to w1 terros

[blazing jewel]

I didn’t look into their kill

That’s surprising

[midnight mist]

3h30 a day

[drifting cloud]

https://clips.twitch.tv/GiantBoredDadPupper-VRc1puyLBq9df2RW?tt_content=twitch_logo&tt_medium=embed

[river cipher]

Hell naw

[midnight mist]

The only thing that I don't like with this schedule is that I can't play more

No time to play m+

Would be better if I wasn't working

[blazing jewel]

We got igira to 50% in 2 pulls? I dced so I didn’t see the rest of what they did

[modern dust]

Next catalyst charge coming in 2 weeks y?

[blazing jewel]

Didn’t even expect to get there tonight when we were finishing up normal gearing

Bro the small split soaks do nothing just like ptr

The boomie in that clip didn’t even have his health bar move

[midnight mist]

It's cringe

If they are going to make bosses without any mechanics

It needs to be healing and DPS checks

Otherwise what's the point

[cunning basin]

Our dk missed our first day due to Internet and came in today, silent all raid, then halfway through volcaross goes "does this boss fuckin do anything??"

[blazing jewel]

What ilvl was the raid

[drifting cloud]

462

[cunning basin]

And no.... No it does not lmao

"surely there are real mechanics in mythic??"

[blazing jewel]

That’s cooked lol

Most of our planned 20 are like 465 bag

[midnight mist]

Nah he just swings his big cocka around

[cunning basin]

My rl absolutely will not shut up about wieners the entire fight lmao

[blazing jewel]

My guild has said some diabolical things about the council boss npcs

[midnight mist]

I mean his is quite hard to miss tbh

[drifting cloud]

yeah ID was flaming council aswell

[cunning basin]

True, it's got a shadow before it stamps you and everything

Council lmao

[drifting cloud]

duck afk

[cunning basin]

Best designed council fight since probs nathria, still one of the worst fights in history

I want to like that fight but I hate it, but I do kinda like it

[blazing jewel]

Imagine if that fight was later and tuned harder

[midnight mist]

Wait what

Are you guys liking council?

Or did I miss something

[blazing jewel]

Cya melee have fun on the bench

No

[cunning basin]

I want to like it, cuz it's actually a pretty cool fight design minus the stupid dryad bitch hopping to africa

[midnight mist]

I think it ranks very high on the All time worse fight I ever had to play

[wild beacon]

I'm just grateful it's 3 bosses not 4

[cunning basin]

The amount of times there's nothing to hit is absurd

Idk why everything just goes everywhere all the time

[midnight mist]

The guy that made this fight absolutely hate melees

[normal otter]

what do you guys sim assa rogue with? Just Dslice for m+ and patchwerk 5 min for ST?

[blazing jewel]

Chase bear

[lucid rain]

pretty much yeah

though dslice is only good for comparison rather than determining your actual damage

[rain mortar]

Other than getting ducked I didn’t feel like there was that much downtime

[safe wigeon]

guyss anyone have macro for last boss when you picked the seed then you want to drop the seed?

[strange python]

Do you guys sub to raidbots - or just wait in line?

[limber lion]

Theorycrafter account 😎

[strange python]

yeah that time rift trinket will be nearly 3600 free dps for me ST

[limber lion]

But I did pay for Raidbots for many months/years beforehand

[strange python]

yeah that line gets bad on tuesdays

[safe rover]

when do we split s2 4p if we dont have any s3 tier?

[limber lion]

Many high-end guilds also have a premium raidbots account for the guild

[limber lion]

When you have new p2, so p2 + p2

[quick idol]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

do u get more than 16m

[still ermine]

are the stat priorities between sin and outlaw different enough where its not a good idea to swap between the 2 unless u have different gear sets? (new to rogue)

[strange python]

If I was gonna take stuff that seriously - i think i'd run it myself - and just trigger sims with scripts on one of my servers myself.

Problem with that is the raidbots site makes it so convenient to not know a whole lot about inputs - and just run it

[strange python]

nah you're fine. I think the number of playing sin in full outlaw gear - was within like 2 or 3 percent of a fully-optimized "sin gear distribution"

[surreal citrus]

is there a good way to deal with the poop pools on the final boss of throne cus the arena fills up real goddamn fast and the water beams don't seem to clear nearly enough ground

[limber lion]

No, it's just an epic account with special tc privileges. Simming wise it's the same

[slim hamlet]

!dager

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[runic sequoia]

What embellishments does assa run in m+?

[surreal citrus]

p sure its toxic spike boots and toxic patch

[limber lion]

Toxic thorn yeh, BSL is fine for m+ too

[fallen forge]

Has anyone been streaming sin keys this week?

[runic sequoia]

For someone thats just getting into emballishements etc, what are they called on the auction house?

[dusty trellis]

check endwyr

[slim hamlet]

Does toxic boots work with spatter?

[cosmic kernel]

where is poisoned edges buff from

[slim hamlet]

10.1 4pc

[dusty trellis]

tier set

[weak sierra]

you get them crafted via work orders. Not bought directly from the auction house

though you can buy a toxic patch from the AH, you then need to work order to get someone to craft it into an armour piece

[strange python]

So what I do is...
Go to the crafting table. Find the item I want.
Pretend I'm about to craft it (so I can see ALL the mats required).
/whisper myself all the mats needed.
Go to AH and refer to my own whisper to get the stuff I need.

[cunning basin]

Might have to wait for whisp to get on to answer that, feels like a him type of question lol
(I'm curious to know as well)

[weak sierra]

there is a button to track reagents on the item in the crafting table. So it comes up where your quest objectives are

[strange python]

Well...that seems like the smart way to do it

[dark token]

idk abotu streaming but im logging a bunch

[cosmic kernel]

does kingsbane double dip with it somehow? or whats happening here

[subtle tundra]

arterial shock build feels less satisfying

[dark token]

i dont feel a difference at all tbh

[strange python]

what you mean "double dip with it"?

[subtle tundra]

i like da big kingsbane

[cosmic kernel]

or is that just thistle + 4p

jumping from 400k to 1.3mil

[dark token]

900k burst on a pack with AP feels pretty good tho

[cosmic kernel]

call to suffering also ig

[strange python]

well the 500k was a crit - the 396 woulda been 800k if it crit

[cosmic kernel]

400k is a crit

its just 500k is shifting sands buffed

in events

[runic sequoia]

So, do I need to craft hte boots first and then place a different order for embellishemnt?

[dark token]

holy sudden demise

[strange python]

oh yeah i see - that's the stars huh

I mean all that sudden demise dmg - is just dmg other front-loaded classes put up - up front

it does feel good though huh

[lethal widget]

Sudden demise is our answer to dh obliterating the pack before we get two rupture casts lol

[static glacier]

honestly

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76QV3rt94w2bHPhk#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=5&start=3113488&end=3138582 heres me with AP build on one pack

[static glacier]

i wish dm targets would stop dying

[dark token]

730k

[slim hamlet]

I have no idea, KB shouldn't interact with it at all

[dark token]

peaks at 2m dps

wtf

i dont think u need a big kingsbane

its already big

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-laugh-gif-12908770

[weak sierra]

unless you are doing a low key. I find my damage like 50% higher on 15s than 10s

purely because other burst classes are wiping enemies out before i get set up

[lethal widget]

Yea things don’t die before kingsbane can spatter everything XD

[dark token]

yeah

[true belfry]

so to understand - you want to use kingsbane paired with caustic splatter 100%?

[dark token]

i wouldnt play sin below 17 tbh

[lavish wing]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[dark token]

unless ur playing with low dps

it feels good high keys butr meh in low keys

[weak sierra]

very true

[hardy spruce]

Does the AoE rotation change significantly between the arterial shock build and the "hybrid" one ? 🙇‍♂️

[dark token]

doesnt change at all

[grand trail]

LETS GOOO

[dusty trellis]

btw what is the % of damage in st from proc of dagger?

[mental trench]

~1%

[frigid kestrel]

I just use the AP build in low keys and slam Shiv as soon as like 3 bleeds go out. Seems to help actually do damage in low keys doing that…… however low keys are low keys so it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

[ornate dawn]

Whats our tier offpeice looking like do we think

[weak sierra]

good idea actually, ty for the suggestion

[static glacier]

should be legs

[grand trail]

nick of time kinda pog

[hearty reef]

Huge main hand

[ornate dawn]

Ah yeah I just checked the set, vers lookin sus

[hearty reef]

Not so much since we have one ring with 1.5k

[modest glen]

If i got one tier piece + curio from last boss, the play is to wait until vault right? Since i got basically 3 pieces now with the catalyst as well

[static glacier]

atm sims telling me to get more vers

[gusty mirage]

Big wait

Cause if you buy now and then get that piece in vault you’ll be sad and we don’t want you being sad

[wide ferry]

https://youtu.be/ymNLR4-PGL0?si=1AZzqr-xALJ57eZU

dude is juicinnn

i think he runs the arterial shock build for m+

[hearty reef]

Yeah sin is timing 20s now

[wide ferry]

Shit looks nasty for the added aoe

[hearty reef]

Also i prefer dtb

[ornate dawn]

Its nicer in higher keys when your DH isnt deleting the pack in 2 globals

[modest glen]

Yee ty, hope guild understands it’s better in the long run!

[potent lintel]

Are yall crafting toxic poison boots or toxic thorn?

[gusty mirage]

Toxic thorns

[potent lintel]

Is it that much better than the poison?

[wide ferry]

For the aoe rotation, do the 2 ruptures stack? Dumb question i know

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Slimy expulsion you lose haste, toxic thorns were the embellish assa played last season as well

[gusty mirage]

Which two ruptures?

Like from deathmark?

[rain mortar]

Think of it this way - if you get a curio, 2k m+, and you have a catalyst charge and use none of those tokens then you get a tier item in vault you will be at 4pc next week

Which is pretty epic

[strange python]

so toasty

[gaunt moat]

Hello
Just released an update for the Kingbane weakaura with a requested feature.
New feature:

• Glow when it's time to use Thistle Tea (as well as vanish)
• Changed glow to new proc style

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[lofty junco]

wait so assa had a rework? i thought they just buffed all rogue specs?

[slim hamlet]

[cunning basin]

Yes

[steel ridge]

id love a barebones version that just tracks the record, i dont really care about all the glows and percentages and stuff

all the additional stuff on top of my own WA setup just annoys and distracts me

[lofty junco]

guess i came back at the right time then^^

[slim hamlet]

Indeed

[rain mortar]

What key level / dungeon was this? I’ve been seeing a lot more splatter dmg in my keys

[strange python]

it was only a +10

[steel ridge]

AUG is one hell of a drug

[strange python]

I'm trying to get them all done at +10 i think i have 1 left then i'll go higher hah

[gaunt moat]

@steel ridge I'll see what I can do.
(I don't really want to make a separate WA that is just The damage tracking. But I may add a custom option to disable and hide everything else)

[cunning basin]

Stealthi dragging a spriest to pi him

[spiral pasture]

which build

[slim hamlet]

Classic

[unique sorrel]

Thoughts on something for vanish too, since you want it in that sub-3 second window?

Love the WA btw

[cunning basin]

Good strat tho, my pi bot priest is disc

[tough gorge]

This image makes no sense. How is sanguine doing 50% of your garrote and rupture dmg?

[spiral pasture]

how is that classic when rogue has been a shit pi target this whole expac LOL

[steel ridge]

that would be totally acceptable 🙂 i just dug through your WA and it was just all conditions in one place and i was lost and had no idea what to do, but i would totally tag the blank Damage Number on my screen!

[gaunt moat]

It does glow under 3s for vanish (As mentioned in what you queted hah)

[strange python]

Lotsa Crimson Tempest?

[unique sorrel]

Ah, wonderful. Reading at work is a mistake

[tough gorge]

I forgot it replicates cot too lol nvm

Ct*

[cedar star]

Amazing changes, used your wa all last night and it was amazing.

[cunning basin]

Nah rogue has been goated pi target

Especially sub and outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Classic Stealthi behaviour not rogue

[lofty junco]

since i jsut returned and onyl small amount of gold, what professions would be good? having skinning+LW atm

[slim hamlet]

Crafting are rough to get into this late

[strange python]

Professional Wow Token Accumulator

[cunning basin]

to be fair stealthi the kinda guy to bring a spriest to pi him as outlaw or smth for the memes

[spiral pasture]

best gold in terms of hours spent is wow tokens 100%

[slim hamlet]

Erhm achthuahly

Mythic raid boosting

[cunning basin]

^

and selling keys

[slim hamlet]

🤓

[soft shale]

i made some millions flipping but then you also need knowledge

[slim hamlet]

Hard to flip start of a patch

[lofty junco]

and if i ahve a skilled mining+herb dracthyr alt?

[soft shale]

or actually crafting can be kinda decent if you know which recipes to use mettle into

[slim hamlet]

Crafting is decent just so fucking boring

[soft shale]

mining+herb is unluck

[jaunty phoenix]

how do we use withebarks branch?

[slim hamlet]

95% sitting in trade

[jaunty phoenix]

i knwo the timing

[lofty junco]

[soft shale]

you use wither with cds and 1 1 7

[jaunty phoenix]

just the orbs

how to take them