#assassination

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neat horizon
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ill take my sweet time with it then

keen spruce
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there's plenty of good stuff, but nothing mandatory

winter hawk
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I've been away for a bit so I've forgotten the page but, didn't Whispyr or Fuu (or someone else?) make a Rogue rotation analyzer webpage you loaded logs to?

I'm having trouble trying to recall the name of the page...

keen spruce
winter hawk
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lol duh, ty

keen spruce
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not updated for 10.2

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ofc

winter hawk
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np, I'll fav it this time

keen spruce
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but probably will be at some point

keen spruce
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think of all of the mad casters i can link this too

junior aurora
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do casters want music box

fallen forge
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why do casters care about that

junior aurora
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id assume they’d rather have branch from waycrest

fallen forge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
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but still

blazing jewel
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Basically covered it in your last statement there

keen spruce
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fk em my ring in their caster set

junior aurora
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also crit vers ring

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is there a caster that wants crit vers

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arcane?

blazing jewel
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Can carry over the dot based on 30% of the new base duration

keen spruce
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maybe some brand of mage

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would be the only one i could think of

junior aurora
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fire is haste/vers, frost is mastery/crit

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only caster i can think of is arcane

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nope arcane is crit/mastery too now

tropic tundra
weak sierra
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!up

faint path
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[Cruel Dreamcarver worth to upgrade 463 ? I think so

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I simmed, waitin for the results

strange python
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
blazing jewel
mossy sable
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Sudden demise bugged ?

tropic tundra
# blazing jewel Worth noting that snapshotted dots won’t transfer nicely like that

Another one: with the build without amplifying poison and dragon tampered blade, which is better between instant poison and deadly poison to apply? I thought it was def the latter but the wowhead guide contain this so I'm a bit confused, esp at the m+ build.

"Applying poisons. Amplifying Poison should be the go-to. With Dragon-Tempered Blades talented, Deadly Poison would be your next best poison. If you aren't talented into Amplifying Poison then Instant Poison would be the next best option after that. "

junior aurora
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deadly poison

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DTB is saying if you don't have amp poison for whatever reason you would go deadly/instant

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instead of deadly/wound

tropic tundra
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Oh or does that mean insta + deadly

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ah yeah makes sense

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thank you

uncut hearth
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I was getting unstealthed in dawn part 2 for some reason

vale mortar
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Does anybody else have a problem with caustic splatter wa? I am using whispyr's afenar edit and caustic splatter stays gray even when debuff is up

turbid harbor
faint path
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Even [Cruel Dreamcarver] 463 shows 4.5k upgrade jeeeez 😄

visual stratus
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Can't find it in Whispyr's guide, but is there a good recommendation for an open world build somewhere? I don't think Indiscriminate Carnage is needed necessarily, but im not entirely sure

bleak ivy
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whats a good build for this weeks m+

fair ingot
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I just run around pull some stuff with gar + rupture and run away and everything below 500k hp dies without anything else

visual stratus
fair ingot
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Pretty much I would switch spatter to IB tho

pseudo hamlet
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I am doing World Content with M+ build

austere fulcrum
visual stratus
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Is Crimson tempest worth it for open world you reckon?

dark token
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its so low range

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doesnt spread on open world mobs

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only good in dungeons where tank groups stuff

pseudo hamlet
austere fulcrum
next ledge
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any assasin t30 10.2 guide ? I see a lot of killers, I'm playing outlaw and I want to try it, I've never played with the spec

visual stratus
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Aight, thanks guys

fair ingot
# dark token ic isnt

it does tho. you just pull with gar and wait till mobs are slightly grouped and then you can rupture with ic to spread ruptures and IB

willow kite
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Do you guys generally skip crippling poison on sanguine weeks?

willow kite
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and just run 1 non-lethal

austere fulcrum
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thank u @pseudo hamlet

pseudo hamlet
visual stratus
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Man Assa feels good after the rework. Super, super pleased with what Blizz has done

pseudo hamlet
tropic tundra
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ultra stupid question but just to make sure with my drunk brain, "at 4+ cp" means "4,5, or 6 cp", right?

next ledge
tropic tundra
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since there's no way we can overcap by building at 3

next ledge
tropic tundra
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ok thanks

normal mist
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We doing the same thing in both tiers

next ledge
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hmmm

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nice

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Of the 3 specs, is Assassin the most decent for raiding?

normal mist
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All are

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It's really a "you decide if you wanna be an assassin, a pirate or a ninja"

faint path
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assasiiiin all the way

normal mist
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I also love raiding as assassination

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But enjoy m+ more as sub (or at least I did before rogue reworks)

faint path
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can we do it dawn of time again and again?

normal mist
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M0 once

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M+ forever

lucid rain
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today is a good day

faint path
lucid rain
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upgraded it to 470 since I'm at my cap for the week

tropic tundra
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Niiiiice

surreal citrus
lucid rain
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spheres last for 20s btw

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I imagine someone will make a weakaura to shove your face into one before the timer expires

tropic tundra
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So we collect 2 and extend later with the 3rd one? Or just one for every 10sec?

lucid rain
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I believe guide said eat 2 then wait

ornate dawn
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we take those, not branch hey but worth

tropic tundra
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Or…all 3 at burst

lucid rain
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well I think you'd macro it with deathmark

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and since it's 16s, you'd eat 2

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then have 3 for big kb damage

tropic tundra
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Sounds much better

lucid rain
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since sphere buff lasts 10s

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rogue turns into momentum dh for 10 seconds dracthyr_kek

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I just realized a 470 trinket is 747 agility

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holy shit

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what's 489? 850-900?

bleak ivy
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Whats a good rogue build for this weeks m++

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my AoE seems weak

slim pebble
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If you're doing small keys you're gonna feel a bit weak

elfin haven
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Anyone have a vod or sin stream of s3 dungeons from last night? Wanted to watch some at work

oak tangle
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i spend every pack

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contemplating my life and just counting up the time kb is sitting ready to use

lucid rain
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and then you kb and your target dies instantly

oak tangle
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the only way it could be worse was if it was purely like totm and did no damage if the mob wasnt alive at the end of it

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also im doing keys with 0 tier of any sort

lucid rain
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oof

alpine pagoda
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can some1 tell me why assa now plays versatility stats now catBlush2

oak tangle
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cause we have no massive preference for stats

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+1 stat of any kind = good

alpine pagoda
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much ty

eternal heath
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Vers is still lowest

oak tangle
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i mean yeah, but with ilvl being abundant, the agi bonus is just a win

tropic tundra
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in aoe opener, is it better to apply CT early right after garrotes&ruptures or after using up all the cds? Bit confused bc wowhead says after cds, icyvein says the opposite

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intuitively i think cds first is better tho

dark token
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either works

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if you have snd up and some CP

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i CT before cooldowns

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if you dont, i do it afte

manic quartz
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i come back from work and notice there is new build with bonespike 😩 pls no.

tropic tundra
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ah

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been asking these cause i'm trying to translate the rotation part now...thank you for your help!

lucid rain
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is ct during dance bad?

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in aoe I mean

dark token
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nah

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im usually doing kinsbane garrote envenom garrote garrote CT

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and the rupture is applied in the vanish isntead

royal lantern
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tbf

strange python
royal lantern
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assa in aoe is mostly a "go with the flow"

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and less 100% static

strange python
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What site can i use BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkWSSISQAAAAAAIlkIlkAAAAAAAaJJIBSSKpFREkkkkEJNtIBA at lol

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or is that for in-game

manic quartz
safe wigeon
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ashes is super bis for sin?

raw raft
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Not anymore

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It’s still pretty good

royal lantern
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slightly behind branch

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if yo udont wanna kite orbs

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go for ashes

safe wigeon
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so the second one is cataclism?

spring socket
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wat rune i want for ass ?

uneven summit
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Nothing changed right, craft is still toxic boots?

spring socket
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yeah aparently so

spice spire
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Yes

outer cairn
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meh. don't think I did the best that I could last night. We cleared normal and then moved onto heroic. felt like made lot of mistakes. got into the old habit of being too spammy, but getting that PI there were times I was getting so much energy I couldn't spam enough

dark light
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Getting Pi on 2nd dm felt nice

bleak spoke
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bonespike agane?

royal lantern
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is it just me or is shroud weird rn

spice spire
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Sbs is based ur all haters

outer cairn
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wow. sbs is almost 2% for me

junior aurora
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sbs is based

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cheap mutilate

short comet
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sbs is dog pls no it was only kinda fun on outlaw near the end of shadowlands for like a second

sick eagle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
oak tangle
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i will swap class if someone tells me i have to use bone spike again

outer cairn
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you don't have too

oak tangle
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i know

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but fuck that spell

subtle tundra
spice spire
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Say them coward

obtuse latch
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What is the "general" spec for assa in m+?

subtle tundra
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🙂

spice spire
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Nice except kekdog

midnight mist
subtle tundra
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fuck you

cobalt hemlock
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how do you guys decide when to press cds in m+?

spice spire
midnight mist
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why mean

spice spire
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Guides in pins

spice spire
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Learned from the best (me)

midnight mist
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ye looks like it

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quake am I allowed to say sbs is cringe in st

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shouldnt be a st talent

royal lantern
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sbs is cringe in general

kind forge
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whats so bad about sbs ? (didnt play SL)

royal lantern
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deathspike? giga based

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bonespike? cringe af

midnight mist
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I mean I just think the most interesting part about sbs is the cp gain and resets

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in st its a bit strange

royal lantern
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on st its just a mindless "use on pull and then when you have no energy for anything else"

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got a chest armor for a +17 key poggers

gusty mirage
midnight mist
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i dont really get why it got forced into a st talent

royal lantern
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first guranteed tier piece

midnight mist
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on st its just a cheap builder (ranged and with charges for some reason)

placid rock
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
midnight mist
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on aoe/m+ the range make sense, you have resets, + the cp minigame which was really interesting

royal lantern
dark token
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bruh ive gotten every single piece of dawn loot

dark token
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except the dagger

coarse summit
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isnt it just lethal dose making it a st talent?

jovial verge
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I got mirror from dawn and was about to give it too someone else as I thought it wasn't that good for us

gusty mirage
royal lantern
gusty mirage
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Yeah banger of pathing for that one

midnight mist
gusty mirage
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Solid 4s to get the CP KEKW

normal kite
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just me or does stealth just randomly break in keys?

gusty mirage
midnight mist
prisma monolithBOT
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Stealth can break from:

  • crit flask Overwhelming Rage (red debuff)
  • evoker leggo buff dropping
  • Essence trinket on buff gain
  • Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
gusty mirage
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Even guns/bows, we need them for tmog

midnight mist
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so glad outlaw isnt the only spec suffering from subterfuge anymore

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what a cool game

gusty mirage
midnight mist
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ye surely

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realz tried to fix a few

gusty mirage
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It’ll be fixed along with grapple

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Surely

midnight mist
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but I think there is just too many

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and its to

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whats the world

jovial verge
gusty mirage
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A mess

midnight mist
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ye

gusty mirage
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I remember him splitting subterfuge and imp garrote

royal lantern
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is it subterfuge that broke shroud 2x for me? dracthyr_kek

gusty mirage
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And subterfuge gave you 4s of imp garrotes

empty hinge
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!up

gusty mirage
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But at least you can hearth in stealth now

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WORTH

midnight mist
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ye subterfuge make stealth giga weak for some reason

strange python
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i hate the branch trinket. do ut need to be this ?

midnight mist
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without subt talented stealth is mostly fine

shut bolt
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Has there been a decision made on what embellishments to craft for s3?

midnight mist
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and doesnt break as easely

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but come subt and then its gg

royal lantern
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slightly worse

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no orb kiting

gusty mirage
royal lantern
shut bolt
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If I wanted to play Assa and Sub

strange python
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ashes ?

royal lantern
strange python
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ashes of the stars OwO ?

royal lantern
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even better

gusty mirage
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The effect doesn’t even sim properly yet

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The proc thingy

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Where it doesn’t decay

mint kindle
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So are we crafting toxic boots at 467 now?

gusty mirage
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So it’s probably slightly better than it’s simming

mint kindle
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Is that the play if you play outlaw & sin?

midnight mist
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can you still proc the trinket with cheat death on pull

gusty mirage
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Probably

gusty mirage
mint kindle
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Really? Still wait

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?

gusty mirage
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Unless you have no embellishments

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Yes

strange python
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let me look up this ashes trinket

mint kindle
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Do you know until when?

gusty mirage
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Next week

mint kindle
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Ok

gusty mirage
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Kinda see where gear settles after vault

shut bolt
gusty mirage
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Then sim crafting another piece vs upgrading the embellishments. Cause they’re all kinda shit now

royal lantern
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im happy ComfyBear

gusty mirage
royal lantern
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heroic tier piece achieved

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its the little things

gusty mirage
thorny pond
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Hybrid of M+ AP?

strange python
gusty mirage
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Ret is actual hot ass garbage

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What a terrible spec

royal lantern
strange python
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O.o ok

north tinsel
strange python
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i thought haste is not so good for rogue

royal lantern
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when 80% of your dmg is inside a single burst window, getting 2143163461613246166 mainstat during that burst window

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is kinda strong

gusty mirage
strange python
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O-O

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oh

gusty mirage
royal lantern
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assa likes haste

strange python
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a soul condensator for main stat ? xD

midnight mist
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why were you forced oxi

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who tf even need a pal

strange python
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but stat prio is crit mastery no ?

royal lantern
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assa has no stat prio

gusty mirage
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Well today ig

midnight mist
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i see

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I think im today

strange python
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oh

clever perch
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This is with tier set or pre-tier set?

gusty mirage
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Can’t wait for zero daggers to drop tonight

midnight mist
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are you doing 2 splits

gusty mirage
clever perch
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what's the M+ pre tierset talents rn?

gusty mirage
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Yeah, hoping we all settle our 2pc cause I ain’t playing that shit spec again

clever perch
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wowhead ones are updated?

strange python
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so , a bit if haste is also nice i gues :3

gusty mirage
midnight mist
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you get gear so much faster

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for not much work

strange python
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thanks tyr !

midnight mist
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I like it very much

gusty mirage
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Yeah it’s nuts, but actually playing a rat alt in heroic week 1 ain’t the play

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97k dps KEKW

midnight mist
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eh

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im prepared to do 0 dps on alt aswell

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kinda whatever

lean portal
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hey guys what enchant do we need on weapon ?

midnight mist
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actually my alt got a 463 main hand from the new zone

strange python
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wavtic devotion ?

midnight mist
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so its going to blast

strange python
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if i remember correctly

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the haste thingi

lean portal
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it looks bad on bloodmallet

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and the crit one looks good

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im confused

strange python
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well

thorny pond
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sim it

strange python
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wispyr told me to use it o.o

lean portal
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same XD

strange python
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and sim is better overall :3

midnight mist
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ye I never listen to this whispyr guy

kind forge
midnight mist
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he is a bit sus

strange python
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i believe haste procc can safe your ass in singletarget energy pool

gusty mirage
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Wafting beats sophic when you get more gear

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Just sim it, don’t overthink it

gusty mirage
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Fuck that guy

midnight mist
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

midnight mist
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its there

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why need pin

gusty mirage
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That’s not what I wrote

midnight mist
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what did you wrote

gusty mirage
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You think you guys can just steal my words with fancy bot commands?! HUH?!

midnight mist
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bot commands are kinda op

gusty mirage
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So are you

midnight mist
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I dont write anything in outlaw anymore

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just made a bunch of commands

gusty mirage
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Yeah but I always lose the link to the sheet to add them

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And I’m lazy

midnight mist
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I just bookmarked it, way too usefull

gusty mirage
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You’re also smarter, better, and more handsome than me

midnight mist
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oh thanks dad you are so nice Peepo_UwU

rotund oak
slim hamlet
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Anyone knows how a 470 branch is only simming .6% over 441 bacon and fragment?

midnight mist
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link sim

strange python
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branch is 12hours old, no correct sim yet i believe

midnight mist
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ye dont sim weekly

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do latest

slim hamlet
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oh yea

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forgor

midnight mist
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it will be in

slim hamlet
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thx

strange python
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i also want a fancy icon in my name

midnight mist
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cant do

oak tangle
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pins

autumn prism
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Would you use Mirror or branch in burst

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cus ive got both

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but dunno what is most worth

strange python
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oki

solemn trout
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i think swapping vanish/dance in KB window is better because can get 6s MA during last 6s of KB

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am i wrong?

oak tangle
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you lose 10% kb snapshot

solemn trout
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vanish - kb - garrote

arctic hare
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I had a fuckin blast in raid last night, was fuckin awesome

royal lantern
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dance gives MA

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........

solemn trout
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dance gives 6s MA

arctic hare
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No, he means the snapshot for the entire poison

oak tangle
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vanish would snapshot it there too

arctic hare
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Ahh. Yeah, thats true

sullen hollow
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assa is ugiga pumping holyfkness

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even in m+

sudden wadi
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It seems plausible, would need to sim, but then your 1m and 2m burst are different

peak bobcat
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
heady drum
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why doesn muti get replaced w/ ambush when im in subterfuge?

oak tangle
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cause blindside does it, and you dont use a stealth bar

heady drum
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awkward

oak tangle
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you can make a macro that will give you ambush / mut based on stance though

heady drum
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i had a hope i didnt have to

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it is what it is

oak tangle
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it's basically just this but a sin variant

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Shadowstrike
/cast [stance:1] shadowstrike
/cast [stance:0] Backstab; Gloomblade

odd flax
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when to branch in st rotation?

royal lantern
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DM

slim pebble
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My raid gave PI to a bm hunter last night.

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Still sad about it

oak tangle
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i don't raid till sunday, which is kinda good cause im only 444 ilvl after a bit of grinding today

pure moth
slim pebble
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I beat them on boss dam even without it so I got that going for me

normal mist
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Tell your priest he/she looks handsome/pretty before pull

pure moth
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i got it a handful of times. wasnt worried though. when it comes down to prog; ill be getting it

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i think once people realize we get it, they will switch

strange python
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ty

green apex
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Played sin for most of our normal clear last night and forgot to press KB during Shadow dance all raid 👍👍👍👍👍👍

glossy imp
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💀

lyric silo
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Does Dance proc master assassin?

green apex
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It's fine I just missed out on checks notes
Oh god

slim hamlet
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Hmm 470 branch still only 1% ahead of 441 bacon and fragment

green apex
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Which is why I fucked up goodly

lyric silo
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Yea I'm still working on that opener too

green apex
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I did a few keys after and did 80 percent of our BM hunter sin feeling goooood

oak tangle
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if it helps, you can macro dance and kb together

jovial verge
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You can always keybind it to KB for raiding makes it so you can never forget !

green apex
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Minus the time he did 700k DPS on the Atal pull before the gold boss lmao

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Aye I will make that macro tn

jovial verge
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As an also lazy M+ player I jsut leave it binded there as well

oak tangle
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make sure dance is first obviously

near osprey
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Anyone know why I can't seem to macro mirror of fractured tomorrows onto deathmark?
It just does nothing, but if I type /use 13 into chat it works perfectly fine

fallow acorn
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is it because you have a branch and I don't and it's god's punishment?

willow wren
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The deathmark is lowercase

oak tangle
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case doesn't matter

willow wren
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O

jovial verge
obtuse latch
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Triggers me tho, please correct it

jovial verge
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so maybe weird bug with numbering?

eternal heath
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Guys my gnarl H parse is so fat

forest galleon
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Yo team is there a rough sim sheet looking at bis gear anywhere?

oak tangle
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is it not casting deathmark, the trinket, or both

eternal heath
tropic tundra
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nvm reloaded it and its fixed already

rotund wagon
rotund oak
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Anyone knows if the opener is modified when we spec into SBS?

jovial verge
near osprey
eternal heath
near osprey
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I'll just type in the name, just didn't want to remake the macro every new trinket

eternal heath
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So I was still learning my rotation during raid last night lol

oak tangle
rotund wagon
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My trinky works in my 14 maybe slide er down and change it to use 14 before you get all drastic and type words out

eternal heath
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I got a whole 2 green parses in normal

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Although I also did half of Tindral with no poison accidentally

indigo heath
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My no dance is 3k less than dance

near osprey
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The name in the macro doesn't work either, gonna try 14 and hope for the best

rotund oak
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Mr @marble hemlock love you so much(sorry for the tag) is there any changes in the opener if we spec into SBS?

placid adder
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It can just replace a mut

slim pebble
gusty mirage
jovial verge
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Yeah hahaha

gusty mirage
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Bosses last like 8.5 months

clever perch
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what overall should look like?

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i just did my first key this season

eternal heath
clever perch
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200k overall without aug i guess this is kinda bad

gusty mirage
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Why would that be bad

eternal heath
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Not sure if humblebrag

clever perch
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ugh idk

rotund oak
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coz flexing

gusty mirage
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You realize average overall for most keys is like 150-170 right

clever perch
rotund wagon
gusty mirage
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Was your boomkin afk?

clever perch
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no xD

rotund oak
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weirdflex

#

and gets weirder by the moment

gusty mirage
#

That’s fine and dandy you doubt it, but I promise you without an Aug 150-170 is about where everyone is

clever perch
#

oh i see

#

what would it look like with tier set?

eternal heath
#

Bigger

gilded oasis
#

More

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

higher

rotund oak
#

ive got a meme for that but ild be banned 😄

gilded oasis
#

I appreciates we all used different words

clever perch
#

nice u.u

#

so assa is fine in m+ as i can see

gusty mirage
#

Yeah assassination is fun af in keys now

slim hamlet
#

no its dogshit time to reroll

gusty mirage
#

All the new toys are very nice

eternal heath
#

I did like 85k in a +10 waycrest last night

#

I felt so clueless lol

strange python
#

waycrest feels weird

midnight mist
#

why is it rgb

hollow stone
#

caustic kingsbane is a vibe

slim pebble
#

I did a +10 and everything died so quickly

#

I couldn't do a damn thing

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
midnight mist
#

ye thats true

slim hamlet
#

Everyones should be

#

tbh

gusty mirage
#

Plus iirc your rogue isn’t super geared

eternal heath
#

Correct

gusty mirage
#

Big numbers coming your way soon I believe Prayge

eternal heath
#

I am at like 443 now though. Got 3 pieces in raid last night

rotund wagon
eternal heath
#

And im still rocking WQ trinkets

gusty mirage
#

Yeah trinkets are a big part of damage these days sadly

eternal heath
#

Tier shoulders, first boss cloak, and the fat vers neck

gusty mirage
eternal heath
#

S1 ring 2.0

gilded oasis
#

Lol imagine getting raid loot. Couldn't be me

slim hamlet
#

Oxi

gusty mirage
#

You end up doing upstairs and downstairs at the same time

#

The Ret in my key kept pulling entire rooms with divine storm

slim hamlet
#

Do you happen to know why I am only simming +1% with doggy trinkets compared to 470 branch

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

help

rotund wagon
eternal heath
#

I think I was only swimming like 110k ST with the dance buils lol

gusty mirage
eternal heath
rotund wagon
#

kept getting him ganked because they would come running down and munch him

#

I mean im sure it is

gilded oasis
#

Pulling whole rooms and/or through the floor is a feature of wcm

rotund wagon
#

but idk how through the floor

slim pebble
clever perch
eternal heath
#

Starfall will only hit things in combat

midnight mist
#

latest is better

slim hamlet
#

Nightly is too but Zac said latest

midnight mist
#

latest is the latest

slim hamlet
#

makes sense

midnight mist
#

nighlty is rebuilt in the morning

gusty mirage
gilded oasis
#

Shouldn't it be morningly then

opaque cliff
slim hamlet
#

Yea I did hear it oversimmed

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

Seems to be omega oversimming then

gilded oasis
slim hamlet
glacial shuttle
#

I've found that ~14s are where the mobs start living long enough for things to live through a Kingsbane. At around 447 ilvl anyway

gusty mirage
#

it'll make it less jank

slim hamlet
opaque cliff
midnight mist
#

wont change anything

#

because we have custom apl stuffs for most of these trinkets

eternal heath
#

Yeah thats a other reason my key dps was low

chrome mirage
#

We had every single trinket drop last night in normal, I got exactly 0 of them.

midnight mist
#

which forces a certain order of use

eternal heath
#

I didnt know when to use kb

gusty mirage
#

allegedly

midnight mist
#

ye no thats not what I meant

gusty mirage
#

oh

#

you mean in order

#

gotcha

midnight mist
#

changing the order of the trinkets wont actually change the order of trinket

#

ye

eternal heath
gusty mirage
#

me dentge

chrome mirage
#

We had ashes and cata brand drop together

oak tangle
#

maybe this is me being too nitpicky but it would have been nice if sudden demise worked on poison damage too, you could freely send kb more in packs

gusty mirage
#

remove fragment

eternal heath
gusty mirage
#

suddenly makes more sense

#

but if you wanna know how much that piece of shit oversims by

#

now you know

timber meadow
#

are there any huge rotiatonal diff in the arterial precision build? it looks cool so wanted to try it out

#

seems a bit diff tho

chrome mirage
gusty mirage
#

irideous fragment from last season

chrome mirage
#

branch?

midnight mist
#

well its not really oversimming here, but the apl is a bit messed up for sin when you have 2 on use

chrome mirage
#

Ah

midnight mist
#

which arent handled

gusty mirage
#

it was oversimming by 18%

#

last tier

gilded oasis
#

Just make sim ignore fragment when it sees it KEKW

chrome mirage
#

I will say, my 450 azzinoth trinket did fuck all for damage last night.

midnight mist
#

maybe but thats not what the issue was with his sim here

slim hamlet
#

Fragment really oversimming if that much

timber meadow
#

can i just macro branch to dm?

gusty mirage
#

the issue was multi-faceted

midnight mist
#

it really is just that the fragment was being used as first trinket on pull

gusty mirage
#

part of it is double on-use, yes

midnight mist
#

which meant branch is useless

gusty mirage
#

but a big chunk of it was the sim overvaluing the trinket

gusty mirage
timber meadow
#

lol well i mean if its using frag on pull first'

#

thats kinda ridic

gusty mirage
#

so it wasn't that

#

part of it was double on use

#

yes

#

but part was also fragment greatly oversimming for assassination

#

you can't discount the fact that the trinket was almost 20% off the entire tier

midnight mist
gusty mirage
#

I mean you simply can't say that

midnight mist
#

its just messed up when you have double on use with one not handled

gusty mirage
#

lol

#

it's not that simple

#

you can't just point at the sim and be like "oh it's just 2 on use"

midnight mist
#

well

#

I kinda can tho

gusty mirage
#

I'm not going to argue semantics with you

midnight mist
#

the way sin apl is made it kinda cnat handle double on use like that

gusty mirage
#

like you're wrong

timber meadow
#

yo real quick though - any reason to not macro branch with deathmark?

midnight mist
#

both are trying to be used in cds, but cant, so either one ends up not getting used

willow kite
#

Would not using crippling poison have any effect on my damage in m+? Like, is there some interaction that I'm not thinking of?

gusty mirage
willow kite
#

Thinking of not running it on sanguine weeks

lucid rain
#

please don't use crippling poison during sanguine

gusty mirage
#

if you're playing DtB and not using crippling poison

#

you're actually inting your damage

lucid rain
#

well, maybe it's not so bad now

#

b/c the sanguine nerfs

#

ptsd from s2

gusty mirage
#

so either don't play dtb on sanguine weeks, or tell your tank to learn how to kite better

#

idk

oak tangle
#

dh's over here with 2 charges of chain sigil

#

deal with it

gusty mirage
#

demo locks interrupting the caster in the sanguine

solemn hill
#

do u think it's only a mastery issue

gusty mirage
#

considering your screenshot doesn't show us anything except 2 quicksim numbers

oak tangle
#

ima guess low ilvl daggers

#

and or wrong talents

gusty mirage
#

but no, secondary stats aren't going to magically give you 20,000 dps

obtuse latch
#

!dagger

solemn hill
#

441 and 437 daggers vs 424 and 437 axe and daggers

gusty mirage
#

you can't mutilate with an axe

#

so

slim hamlet
#

Wait

#

I never knew util poisons worked with lethal dose

lucid rain
#

does obtaining 4p lock you into dtb in m+?

slim hamlet
#

I have definitely just not put on crippling in raids before

gusty mirage
#

so

#

you're gucci

slim hamlet
#

oh

#

Saved

storm forum
#

Yeah we lose 2% damage from crippling immune mobs, life sucks

slim hamlet
#

gg

#

spec dead

gusty mirage
#

everyone reroll boomkin

gilded oasis
#

Joever pack it up guys

slim hamlet
#

Already did

gusty mirage
#

and flood them with questions about sandbagging

slim hamlet
#

currentyl leveling

gusty mirage
lucid rain
gusty mirage
#

true

#

rip green rogue

storm forum
#

Does anyone else wake up with cuts/bruises?

eternal heath
#

They do that to themselves

eternal heath
#

Also oxi, I need the stats meme gif the boomkins always use

eternal heath
#

Lmao

storm forum
#

Cause I just noticed a cut on my hand and last week I woke up with a bruise on my side

glacial shuttle
eternal heath
#

It just made me think of it when that person posted their quick Sim screenshots

gusty mirage
#

checks out

storm forum
#

Like is this one of those things they forgot to tell me about adulthood like shaving and taxes?

severe oyster
slim hamlet
#

Seems about right

eternal heath
#

There's a gif where it says "my stats are..." and asking what dps should be or something

dusk sun
#

should i use arterial shock shiv once my garrote rupture crimson tempest is up on most the adds? Or is there a more optimal use

glacial shuttle
gusty mirage
storm forum
timber meadow
#

how do you use shiv in the arterial precision build

oak tangle
#

fists are blunt

gusty mirage
#

if you're playing KB you save shiv for KB

#

always

surreal citrus
#

u press shiv right before u press kb

#

ez

dusk sun
#

I didnt know it had aoe implications

surreal citrus
#

you should!

oak tangle
#

😮

lucid rain
#

it's hard to use kb in aoe when everything explodes before you finish putting up ruptures

dusk sun
#

Sorry im two days in sin coming from sub

storm forum
#

Yeah if you take the spatter talent it goes nuts

glacial shuttle
surreal citrus
#

caustic spatter makes 45% of your kb damage spread in aoe

#

now u know

fallen forge
surreal citrus
#

and can pump

oak tangle
#

not using kb on aoe is like not pressing sec tec

timber meadow
glacial shuttle
dusk sun
hushed urchin
#

Uhhhhh is it better to wear the abberrus teir in M+ right now becasue PHEW CHILE

dusk sun
#

Should Kb always be used with dance?

storm forum
#

Like in raid, I just turn on spatter and it does 17% of my overall with an otherwise full single target build. It's great

eternal heath
glacial shuttle
#

Yes

#

You can safely macro them together too

fallen forge
#

guys im level 46, which secondary stat should i focus on?

storm forum
#

Crit

#

For more seal fate procs

oak tangle
#

does level count as a secondary stat

surreal citrus
#

exp

hexed willow
# eternal heath

I know it s a meme but you could probably say more mastery 😛

dusk sun
surreal citrus
#

any branch chads know what your mastery % goes up to when you're orb gaming

glacial shuttle
#

Have you considered more haste? More haste = more spell = more weapon swings = more big dam

oak tangle
#

more spell? are we warrior gamers

glacial shuttle
#

More zugzug

lucid rain
#

current mastery is 3431

oak tangle
#

i would like to see the mastery % on a sub

surreal citrus
#

😩

#

I need to invade everbloom keys

lucid rain
#

I got mine out of a depleted 14 with 35-ish deaths

glacial shuttle
#

The last boss of everbloom is such a meme lmao

surreal citrus
#

lmao

lucid rain
surreal citrus
#

I pray today I will not get another 6 pairs of shoes

lucid rain
#

I'm fairly certain the people in that party never played WoD

spice spire
#

Call me the last boss of everbloom

glacial shuttle
#

I've gotten four belts today 🤣😭

glacial shuttle
junior aurora
#

what does yalnu bout me tho

surreal citrus
#

worst part about getting all these fuckin boots is that I already have my toxic spikes

royal lantern
#

something about everbloom turns tank brains more off then ussual

#

they justz pzll 5 of those caster guys at once

#

3x in a row

#

lol

slim hamlet
#

Yep

#

Everyone just pulls 29 casters

junior aurora
#

its what dorki says to do mate

#

gotta do it

slim hamlet
lucid rain
#

entire party gets locked down by choking vines

junior aurora
#

i dont find the casters in everbloom to be the biggest problem though

slim hamlet
#

Oh yea no one killing gnarlroot roots is also fun

junior aurora
#

my group was getting 1 shot by the berserker charges lol

lucid rain
#

gnarlroot is big skip

slim hamlet
lucid rain
#

fuck that mob

slim hamlet
#

it legit one shots

junior aurora
#

you can interrupt them

slim hamlet
#

Yes

#

not if u pull 5

bleak ivy
#

which dungg yall found the worst so far

slim hamlet
#

Rise dawn

#

not even close

lucid rain
#

murazond

slim hamlet
#

2nd part

lucid rain
#

or upper dawn if you wanna call it that

junior aurora
#

throne of the tides

slim hamlet
#

And it is not close at all

junior aurora
#

has been the worst

glacial shuttle
slim hamlet
#

Haven't done throne tbf

junior aurora
lucid rain
#

throne is alright, nothing too crazy in there

junior aurora
#

throne is worse than every other dungeon x 3

oak tangle
#

yeah the gauntlet in throne of tides was cooked in the on i did

bleak ivy
#

mann throne has such dogshhit graphics

junior aurora
#

that last hallway

slim hamlet
#

Throne looks so easy

#

Legit only way throne can be hard is with overtuning

lucid rain
#

you just need to pull way back to the start of the hallway so you don't get swarmed by the little guys if you have uncontrollable cleave

severe oyster
#

DHT worst dungeon so far for me. Not sure if it was just bad route etc etc. But that place sucks.

bleak ivy
#

Seeying DH's damagge im jealous for them aint gonna llie

#

maybe sin AoE will pull up in 20+

glacial shuttle
dusk sun
#

is it perfectly fine to not use death mark on Dance + KB combo? Esp if DM is on cd? (aoe scenario)

severe oyster
#

You can use 2 KB per DM

#

So yeah you can use it

slim hamlet
#

yes otherwise u would waste 50% of KB casts?

severe oyster
#

It will be up by the time DM is back up

surreal citrus
#

vdh damage seems really high rn but I haven't looked up the actual data

severe oyster
#

Speaking of feral, how are they doing now?

glacial shuttle
#

Feral are solid

woven helm
slim hamlet
#

Boomie Discord ✅ Going feral ✅ Talking about Guardian ✅

glacial shuttle
#

But overshadowed by other melee

#

Like sin 😉

spice spire
#

Boomie Discord ✅ Going feral ✅ Talking about Guardian ✅

junior aurora
glacial shuttle
slim hamlet
#

Heard some elemental is overtuned

surreal citrus
#

I don't like the first boss cus she goes immune too much
going to just start using kb on her trash instead

glacial shuttle
#

Also the second boss is very confusing

bleak ivy
#

is it overtuned then?

lucid rain
#

I think my group did it on 14 and we didn't really have trouble with anything

glacial shuttle
lucid rain
#

people didn't play cata so the elemental gauntlet was a disaster

strange python
#

Is there a trinket list somewhere

bleak ivy
lucid rain
#

true

oak tangle
#

the only dungeon place i have wiped so far this tier not due to mechanics, was the throne of tides gauntlet on a +5

junior aurora
glacial shuttle
#

I have a 16 Galakrond's Fall luned up with guildies tomorrow. Fingies crossed I get me a daggy C:

royal lantern
lucid rain
#

we focused on pushing up everyone's keys than going hard on one particular key

royal lantern
#

hey, we are 20sec into fight

gues i will never be able to hit the boss again

#

🙂

glacial shuttle
#

Christ now that I think about it the only good boss in there was the one we all skipped cause it used to be optional

slim hamlet
bleak ivy
#

So how are we compared to outlaw rn?

oak tangle
#

we're both rogue specs

glacial shuttle
#

Outlaw is for noobs

slim hamlet
#

Both yellow

strange python
#

Both not subtlety

bleak ivy
#

which yellow higher on deeps?

glacial shuttle
slim hamlet
strange python
royal lantern
#

all that results in

oak tangle
#

sin does infinite more deeps than outlaw, cause i will not play outlaw

bleak ivy
#

newbornn could hit keyboard as outllaw and top

royal lantern
#

fight starts->you do dmg for like 1min->cant reach boss anymore

empty lava
glacial shuttle
#

Yeah I just decided to sit there and die. C:

empty lava
bleak ivy
royal lantern
#

worst players get the best loot

eternal heath
glacial shuttle
#

(but congrats)

empty lava
#

also

storm forum
#

Ok wtf

glacial shuttle
#

Double deadge

junior aurora
eternal heath
#

I dunno that I'll be pumping 17s this week PepeHands

bleak ivy
#

John Wick on the way

#

ropemaxx

storm forum
#

I was about to make the "go back and farm for terts" joke

glacial shuttle
#

Kekw

empty lava
#

now only second dagger and branch

woven helm
oak tangle
#

don't you get the beams to clear the puddles on the throne boss though

bleak ivy
#

whats our bis trinks?

royal lantern
chilly viper
#

That "new" build feels awesome in m+_

drifting light
#

brooo sin felling hella gooooood we r so back

bleak ivy
#

new build?

surreal citrus
#

I hate it when bm is top tier

junior aurora
#

bm should never be top tier

#

its too easy

storm forum
hushed fern
#

what tf is sin

oak tangle
#

us

bleak ivy
#

were sinners

strange comet
#

İ always fall a sleep whenever i play my BM hunter

glacial shuttle
#

BM hunters, Boomies and Mages sandbagging the fuck out of tier lists 🤝

upbeat mirage
chilly viper
royal lantern
glacial shuttle
#

Dev is fine

surreal citrus
#

I say it

royal lantern
#

destro lock is so fucking braindead, bm is a math PHD against it

woven helm
#

Wdym devoker is very hard pepelaughW

royal lantern
#

incinerate-incinerate-chaos bolt for the entire fight

glacial shuttle
#

I actually see SO MANY devokers that struggle to play the spec lmao

eternal heath
#

Hard to stay awake

junior aurora
#

destro is harder than bm hunter

#

depending on the patch at least lol

storm forum
#

My rl says evoker was designed to raidlead from cause it's so easy

glacial shuttle
#

Yeah cause BM hunter is a literal two button spec now

junior aurora
#

always has been

spice spire
#

Now

junior aurora
#

they actually gained a button this patch thats why they are topping

#

3 button spec

#

33% dps increase

woven helm
#

✅ burst profile
✅ infinite mobility
✅ cute dragon butt

What more do you want??

glacial shuttle
#

More now than it has been for a long time tbh

spice surge
#

"burst profile"

spice spire
storm forum
spice surge
#

Ye its burstier, but not really

oak tangle
#

bm is a hard spec to play, you have to first be willing to play it, but also when playing it you have to avoid falling asleep, that shits hard

royal lantern
woven helm
#

Lol

glacial shuttle
#

Yeah I sure love Devastation's -check notes- 55 second burst phase

junior aurora
royal lantern
#

when will fire get random 20% buffs too abilitys again

#

its not top3 atm

storm forum
junior aurora
#

yeah thats why its a 17% nerf and not a 33% nerf

glacial shuttle
#

I want to see WW just randomly get buffed to be 30% stronger than it is right now. For like.. no reason. As compensation.

storm forum
#

Who hasn't hurt me?

woven helm
junior aurora
#

bc people know better

spice spire
ivory gust
#

Hey. I have watched wispyrs guide and read wohead. But im still unsure how to open. I use Hekili since i new. But it does not tell me to do multiple garrotes out of stealth in aoe. Do i apply garrote to all, and can i also do rupture to all (if 6 targets) and how do i reaply these?

#

SRy if bad question

storm forum
#

That's a lie, you have a green name

violet reef
#

Guys, a question: I’ve been following @balmy condor ‘s cd rotation where we cast shadow dance with kingsbane and then vanish during the last 3 seconds of kingsbane. But watching perfecto and jpc play, they seem to be casting vanish with kingsbane and then shadowdance during the last 6 seconds of kingsbane. Is that the play?

royal lantern
#

green name only means "stops playing wow soon"

bleak ivy
spice spire
royal lantern
junior aurora
#

isnt quake already gonege

storm forum
spice spire
#

Ye

junior aurora
#

whos left

ivory gust
#

:p

junior aurora
#

stealthi eleem and seli?

spice spire
#

Oxi whispyr seli

junior aurora
#

oxi is orange

spice spire
#

Stealthi eleem

dark token
#

bacon is dogshit now

junior aurora
#

hacha still plays

spice spire
slim hamlet
spice spire
#

Thing is Cev does play just when he can

bleak ivy
#

I use hekili I dont care

ivory gust
#

Good way to keep trakc of dots? Player or WA To know when some target are missing

bleak ivy
#

cba memorising

spice spire
#

Because his schedule is busy

prisma monolithBOT
junior aurora
#

sometimes its better to be busy

#

takes the mind off the existential thoughts

spice spire
#

All of these (also love the plater profiles for this)

#

Will help

spice spire
ivory gust
#

Which plater?

woven helm
#

A good plater profile is chefkiss