I mean if you want to
#assassination
eternal heath
The last cutscene is hilariously corny
somber sparrow
oh ok
bronze seal
dunno why but i really expected shadowflame tempered armor patches to be better than they are
balmy condor
none of the embellishments are worth a shit now tbh
some people are seeing their sims drop embellishments entirely
bronze seal
chokers of shielding for everyone!
exotic pulsar
Logged into test realm to check something and noticed deathmark either isn't applying the second garrote or i'm just not getting combo points for it for some reason
bronze seal
they did say they fixed a bug related to that
exotic pulsar
@balmy condor you know anything about this?
slate crown
Wait larodar I thought we'd run spatter but everyone's logs (normal at least) is using IB?
exotic pulsar
oh didnt see a hotfix just got back
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> you know anything about this?
exotic pulsar
shouldn't we still be getting two combo points though?
balmy condor
if you're in stealth you should be getting 1 + the 2 from shrouded
drifting cloud
Wait larodar I thought we'd run spatter but everyone's logs (normal at least) is...
the talent overview is wrong
balmy condor
if you're not in stealth you get 1
drifting cloud
you have to actually mouseover
exotic pulsar
i assumed deathmark should duplicate the garrote as it says and give 2 points
bronze seal
noobish question, does the damage amp of nightstalker affected the stealth window of subterfuge?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
i assumed deathmark should duplicate the garrote as it says and give 2 points
it duplicates the garrote but it doesn't give you combo poitns
bronze seal
glorious, thanks
balmy condor
what I do
thorny pond
put in the work
thorny pond
big deeps
bold stream
Feels real good
slate crown
you have to actually mouseover
Oh. Thanks. But still I would have thought it would be like 100% spatter for the adds
plain moon
I got 2 curios, is there an easy way to sim what to make them into?
balmy condor
I got 2 curios, is there an easy way to sim what to make them into?
uhhhh, could set up gear compares I guess
balmy condor
if you're savvy enough to add the tier into top gear
you could just add the 5 pieces and then top gear
and find the best 2 piece version
potent lintel
so ideally you wout want to use kings bane on mythic plus packs once you got maximum rupture and garrote and after death mark?
grim jay
I got 2 curios, is there an easy way to sim what to make them into?
how much did you pay ? 
thorny pond
bruh
plain moon
how much did you pay ? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211> <:kekdog:90720703775729671...
my gm was just like fuck it lets get him his 2p
rotund torrent
guys, whats our best Craft for this week?
plain moon
ez smile
balmy condor
guys, whats our best Craft for this week?
read guide
chrome mirage
Raid leader gave both zenith tokens to the pres evoker
rotund torrent
read guide
kty
chrome mirage
potent forge
yall this spec feels so good to play, im so happy with the changes
chrome mirage
Do I quit now
plain moon
if you're savvy enough to add the tier into top gear
what if i told it i had 2 cata charges and then added some random items that are of the same ilvl in the tier slot. in theroy that could work right?
past bobcat
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balmy condor
what if i told it i had 2 cata charges and then added some random items that are...
yeah I guess
plain moon
thats also harder than i first thought
still creek
Made a KB + SD macro yesterday and its not working how i want, most of the time SD isnt casted. Is this just how it is? Or could i write my macro another way? Using a simple /Cast SD /cast KB macro
balmy condor
you mean most of the time kb isn't casted?
dance is off gcd that will cast every time
slate crown
Looks like most are going full ST + spatter for council? some swapping dashing for IC
balmy condor
Looks like most are going full ST + spatter for council? some swapping dashing f...
spatter did nothing for me on council but idk
still creek
you mean most of the time kb isn't casted?
Nah KB is being casted but not Sd, its weird
balmy condor
depends how stacked they are
bronze seal
Made a KB + SD macro yesterday and its not working how i want, most of the time ...
write it simply. i have the same and it works fine
still creek
exactly like mine
still creek
i have to spam it to get SD to also get cast
onyx coyote
Make sure your close enough i find that its wanting me to be closer then i used to be
still creek
bronze seal
very strange
storm forum
OK, new rogue talent tree slaps so hard
storm forum
Wowee grats!
timber meadow
yeah just dropped one as well haha
storm forum
also i am so fucking bad holy shit
crude parcel
huge gz
balmy condor
I have stepped out of melee range during KB like 4 times
I haven't
slow chasm
I hate not having acro strikes
balmy condor
because I don't have the opportunity to do so
onyx coyote
but that could be the keys are too low to ramp up still
violet sonnet
Thoughts on caustic spatter?
verbal fox
Assa gameplay 10.2
balmy condor
Thoughts on caustic spatter?
it's an aoe talent that makes big damage
timber meadow
is the crab trink good?
storm forum
for 1 point, it owns so much
onyx coyote
for the packs in waycrest where your one main elite and tons of non elites would you just do your single target on the main and let castic do the rest?
storm forum
pure ST build, swap to spatter, 17% of my damage
violet sonnet
i havent played assas since legion so i feel like im learning a new class
vocal barn
assa feels really good rn
placid kraken
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visual shuttle
Did ppl test sin in Keys? Can you keep up with rest of the dps?
balmy condor
yes
plain mortar
do you want a certain haste % for sin?
balmy condor
no
vivid grail
Is the arterial shock build the go to one right now for m+?
vapid skiff
!fuu
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visual shuttle
Is the arterial shock build the go to one right now for m+?
Go look the pin whispyr made and take from there
onyx coyote
we are quite broke on the final boss of everbloom
steel ridge
Was the duplicated internal bleeding in sims?
merry raven
man idk what i did but i have been chasing this high all night
steel ridge
Dmg amp
lament aurora
I had a 6.2mil on gnarlroot it was some instant nut
steel ridge
Yeah 3 mill seems low for gnarly
onyx coyote
sanguine blades was doign insane on the final boss
dark token
the more i play with IC
onyx coyote
did like 700k
runic hinge
OK, new rogue talent tree slaps so hard
its so good
fallen forge
the more i play with IC
junior aurora
sanguine blades was doign insane on the final boss
the last boss of everbloom takes 300% more damage
midnight geyser
do we just macro witherbark to dm?
merry raven
Yeah 3 mill seems low for gnarly
im doing my best okay 😭
bold temple
coiled serpent idol is showing on wowhead as both A+ and A
balmy condor
worldly wyvern
Just finished raid night 1 as sub and got absolutely gapped by my sin brethren and before I get on the training dummy for a million hours tom Would you guys say it’s more forgiving than sub or should I bang my head against the wall until I get better at that spec
low quartz
seems they fixed garotte overnight huh
flat pier
Damn from all the talk ASS is the top dog now kind of annoying I just started to learn sub from how bad off we were last season 
storm forum
Just finished raid night 1 as sub and got absolutely gapped by my sin brethren a...
Dance/KB window is unforgiving, pretty forgiving outside of that
cerulean nest
smolderon is a trip
storm forum
idk how forgiving/unforgiving sub is rn, havent played this expac
gentle burrow
idk how forgiving/unforgiving sub is rn, havent played this expac
hi, sub here, the spec hates you
spits on you
slaps you in the face
but
you ask for more
wet agate
Damn from all the talk ASS is the top dog now kind of annoying I just started to...
that's why you don't play fotm and just play whatever you enjoy
quiet sand
May the fun begin, no more seeds, keys only after the Fyrakk kill.
Also has anyone tried the Bone Spike build in ST yet? Does it actually do more damage pure ST than the build we were using before?
flat pier
Eh still got time to learn the Kingsblade thing EU realms not even up yet 
. Is assa a solid pick for M+ or is sub still best pick
past bobcat
Sub M+ doesn’t exist its horrible
quiet sand
Eh still got time to learn the Kingsblade thing EU realms not even up yet <:Comf...
EU has been up for 3hours.
steel ridge
Oh god the subs are flooding in
flat pier
steel ridge
Who could have known
quiet sand
them all.
worldly wyvern
sorry just new to the class and looking for some guidance before I settle in
eternal heath
Guys I cleared normal and didn't doom myself out of it 
vocal barn
we're back to BFA sub numbers 
steel ridge
Whisp wanna set up a shelter?
steel ridge
Sub refugee encampment
flat pier
EU has been up for 3hours.
Yeah but who's up playing now unless you're at that 2+ hrs ahead. Only 5:43 for me
atomic olive
Hey all qq, is ct a lower priority than spreading rupture/garrote in aoe? On pull they spread quick but like halfway through a pull when they start falling off do we not send one ct before going around redotting?
quiet sand
Yeah but who's up playing now unless you're at that 2+ hrs ahead. Only 5:43 for ...
Same, but you wake up at 3am to spam m+. 
nocturne hawk
Oh god... I just got home, our boy is not sending the vibes right off on this one 
slate crown
Just had my first kingsbane parry
hidden moat
ad
quiet sand
Just had my first kingsbane parry
RIP
You can avoid that from happening, simply just hearthstone.
junior aurora
with subterfuge you can start the hearth while vanished
rotund oak
❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ i like bone spike more too
static ore
since dance is a minute cooldown we should have it for every kingsbane and deathmark for improved garrote, if so what’s the best usage for vanish? with master assassin it’s to use it 3 seconds before kingsbane ends, but without is it just best to use it as a reapplication for improved garrote in downtime?
junior aurora
you can just use vanish on every deathmark kingsbane
gusty mirage
@drifting cloud
static ore
last 2.9 sec
even without master assassin?
junior aurora
<@113078189701513216>
that 3% buff man
dark token
<@113078189701513216>
you are getting cuked
junior aurora
can't not play it
dark token
splits?
nocturne hawk
even without master assassin?
yeah that rough
junior aurora
why dont you take master assassin
gentle burrow
<@113078189701513216>
Paly out of all things
static ore
why dont you take master assassin
oh wait i’m trolling master assassin and lethality have the same icon i confused myself
gusty mirage
Paly out of all things
it was that or my 430 warlock
gentle burrow
At least 430 warlock is more exciting
nocturne hawk
cheers for oxipal in rog disc 
steel ridge
<@113078189701513216>
./gquit
gentle burrow
Well u picked destro
gusty mirage
play demo at least lol
gaunt sigil
Ilvl > secondaries but 
gentle burrow
Thats all on u
junior aurora
actually i think they nuked demo fun
gentle burrow
Warlock is nuked
junior aurora
unless they went back on those changes
gentle burrow
As a whole
gusty mirage
they did indeed nuke warlock
junior aurora
sucks because demo was fun af in bfa/shadowlands
craggy sierra
im assuming sophic dev is still best
gaunt sigil
im assuming sophic dev is still best
wafting
gusty mirage
im assuming sophic dev is still best
depends on gear, wafting wins at higher ilvl
stiff kernel
I know this Is a vague statement without a gameplay recap but man I feel inconsistent pull to pull with my damage
gentle burrow
How
craggy sierra
So I have double nick of time
craggy sierra
Maybe I put the wafting on
gentle burrow
They even have their best tierset in history or so i heard from them
steel ridge
I know this Is a vague statement without a gameplay recap but man I feel inconsi...
Proc sophic better then, clearly a skill issue ionsmile
gentle burrow
Arcane pumping?
gusty mirage
yeah ours are fuckin' rn
stiff kernel
Proc sophic better then, clearly a skill issue *ionsmile*
Jokes aside you think that’s what it is lol?
gentle burrow
Thought this was a frost tier
steel ridge
Jokes aside you think that’s what it is lol?
Yeah
gusty mirage
prolly when new tier set comes out?
gentle burrow
Do u have a feral in ur raid
stiff kernel
Sometimes like 100k sometimes 300 yet I feel like I do the exact same rotation
junior aurora
prolly when new tier set comes out?
yeah new frost tier is crazy
gusty mirage
Do u have a feral in ur raid
we do not
gentle burrow
Is it a boomy
gusty mirage
no one alts druid 
steel ridge
Sometimes like 100k sometimes 300 yet I feel like I do the exact same rotation
Well 100k is pretty scuffed, but you are at proc mercy to a degree
gusty mirage
except our tank
gentle burrow
Lmao
gusty mirage
shit class tbh
gentle burrow
Is there a main tho
gentle burrow
Cringe
gusty mirage
so we have to forgive him
drifting cloud
rat split on hc smolderon? godsped oxi
gentle burrow
The only ferals i know are latam/iberic or lgbt
gusty mirage
rat split on hc smolderon? godsped oxi
gentle burrow
Im with ur guild in this one
empty tangle
Can i upgrade my 450 toxic footwrap or do i have to make another one for higher ilvl
clever sapphire
I go to sleep, i wake up, whispyr blesses me with bonespike build 
clever sapphire
Can i upgrade my 450 toxic footwrap or do i have to make another one for higher ...
You can just recraft it
novel arrow
Question: Why Wafting Devotion over Sophic for weapon?
drifting cloud
bigger number better
clever sapphire
Sim decided haste is better for us than sophic
novel arrow
Is there a mechanical difference to the enchants I'm unaware of? I'd think Agi had more value than haste
empty tangle
You can just recraft it
Thanks, i didnt see the recrafting order
clever sapphire
Is there a mechanical difference to the enchants I'm unaware of? I'd think Agi h...
I would assume it all changed because of our talents, how they interact with haste and whatnot,dont take it for granted tho
balmy condor
Is there a mechanical difference to the enchants I'm unaware of? I'd think Agi h...
wafting 3 is 1700 haste
sophic 3 is 900 agi
1700 haste > 900 agi
mafs
brazen zodiac
👍
nocturne hawk
fuck yeah, I'm excited
haven't done shit in 6 weeks, going in blind learning all the new
runic hinge
I need to push my key. Everything dies so fast
gusty mirage
also omni's clone is kinda sus
gusty mirage
it's just with warlocks
I ran with 2 warlocks
and we had 7 people all key
it was sick
they did not do the damage of 2 people each tho
balmy condor
yeh
storm forum
logs cant attribute pet damage back to augs
like they fixed it last tier, but the bug is back
btw, today I was given the choice between Signet Brand and Ashes (trinket) and I chose the Signet, was a right or wrong?
rugged grail
Did the rotation opener changed?
amber yoke
So sudden demise is still bugged aye?
novel arrow
I can check it on the ah
clever niche
just got server first normal, raid is fun
gusty mirage
just got server first normal, raid is fun
spiral kelp
just got server first normal, raid is fun
region first*
clever niche
aw shit, ye region first lmao
gusty mirage
may I suggest you celebrate by joining our resident pet thread? #1146207476983812117 message
nocturne hawk
Just need to jam some mayo toast cheez in there and we chillin
novel arrow
@balmy condor do you think vicious venoms is a bad talent? I see its not in your builds, does it fall behind by alot ?
rugged grail
Can someone please check if my opener is good : garrot rupture, build à little slice, build a envenom, dm+trink+pot, shiv SD KB build a envenom during dance, build a rupture during dance refresh shiv, TT last 5 second of KB build a vanish envenom for the last 3 sec of KB with MA, garrot,
runic hinge
Can someone please check if my opener is good : garrot rupture, build à little s...
There's a guide on wowhead with an opneer
nocturne hawk
Can someone please check if my opener is good : garrot rupture, build à little s...
Whisp just posted a vid on openers as well https://youtu.be/pUCMW1aJUZs?si=-jaEnJYgqjYMJLZd
nocturne hawk
St normal vs accelerated
hardy spruce
Sorry to bother but is it me or is it pretty hard to play when the keys are low in M+ (12ish)
I feel like everything dies so fast that I have hard time to setup aoe dmg…
(I mean my gear is absolutely Garbo too so lol)
amber yoke
That's your regular dot spec experience
Sudden demise is supposed to help, idk if it works as intended by now tho
nocturne hawk
I dont m+ much, but would imagine you'd just want to spread garrotes during subter, get a rupt up on prio, and start sending muts for caustic in packs
if dam is trash then prob what Thulyn said lol
hardy spruce
Yeah I guess it’s quite normal and will be better when I’m better geared and in higher keys.
Also when I’m better too I’m absolutely terrible for now lmao but the spec is so fun in M+ I love it.
grim jay
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hardy spruce
Yeah I guess also when I had an aug it was wayyy better (of course because aug buffs but also the fact that there was only 1 other dps so I had time to « ramp »)
novel arrow
Btw didn't our 4set say "150%" increased for single target. It says 30 now on live.
balmy condor
Btw didn't our 4set say "150%" increased for single target. It says 30 now on li...
tooltip fix
was always 30%
novel arrow
tooltip fix
omg..... but its soul crushing. Even if it's just a tooltip fix
Literally catfished
runic hinge
way to use all you luck already
fast pilot
10% move speed dagger is so fun
quiet sand
I am up so good.
abstract jacinth
Bone spike back on the menu
What’d I miss that this is the case?
runic hinge
What’d I miss that this is the case?
check pins
drifting cloud
the fed me tier on our token
you have no lizards? 😛
fleet atlas
I'm sorry if its somewhere I dont see already but do we generally want to run 2/2 tier?
runic hinge
yes
amber yoke
10% move speed dagger is so fun
Woah wich one is that?
fast pilot
The carver of dreams dragon kin dream
supple snow
Where can I read up the new opener?
slate crown
!guide
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slate crown
Where can I read up the new opener?
^look there
supple snow
Thanks
plain mortar
does sin just have naturally low energy regen for the M+ build?
sonic zinc
i forget
orchid pewter
does sin just have naturally low energy regen for the M+ build?
on st yea
plain mortar
aoe for me
orchid pewter
keep more dots rolling
whole herald
is there a trick to restealth when the tank is chainpulling?
sonic zinc
and something else
vigor
whole herald
apart from the usual stuf
sonic zinc
uh
kill last mob and then stealth without touching the rest
away from the rest
so u arent in combat with the new pack
whole herald
i thought im in combat once the tank pulls?
sonic zinc
nah
sonic zinc
if ur too close i think u social aggro
but if the new pack is far enough away u can get a sneaky stealth in
other than that just save vanish for that i guess
not much else u can do
lol
whole herald
yeah thats what i did but he just chainpulled into chainpull
supple snow
Kinda happy the 26 sequence opener is gonr
sonic zinc
!restealth
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The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
amber yoke
Truuuu
It does
Also feels like the tank does to specifically fuck with you personally every time
plain mortar
is the M+ build on wowhead accurate
sonic zinc
honestly i feel worse not being able to get restealths as outlaw now than as sin
amber yoke
is the M+ build on wowhead accurate
Nah it's put there as a meme
@balmy condor doesn't make serious guides 
plain mortar
who shit in your cheerios
amber yoke
Relax im just poking fun
spiral pasture
so we no longer want to snapshot rupture?
plain mortar
im just asking im having major energy problems in M+ build cant figure out why
amber yoke
i dont think builds have changed much just rotations
Idk bout that man. Talents did change somewhat
slim estuary
!up
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amber yoke
im just asking im having major energy problems in M+ build cant figure out why
It's weird. In aoe if you spread just a handful of bleeds, you should be basically permacapped. Like im overflowing with energy usually. St is another matter ofc
balmy condor
im just asking im having major energy problems in M+ build cant figure out why
that's how the spec works
celest helm
im just asking im having major energy problems in M+ build cant figure out why
You shouldnt be if youre applying bleeds
amber yoke
i mean like since start of patch
Oh right. Nah nah
balmy condor
like
keen spruce
it's something
sonic zinc
i did half of a dungeon forgetting to bind crimson tempest
lol
and i still ended up doing more overall dps somehow than my outlaw run
boss dps i guess
amber yoke
I don't think you smashed your keybaord hard enough when you played outlaw
sonic zinc
prob not
white orchid
saw branch drop and they were even going to trade it if not for ilvl increase. oh the torment
white orchid
sadge indeed
amber yoke
saw branch drop and they were even going to trade it if not for ilvl increase. o...
Id be happy. I dread the day i get branch and will have to use it. Fk that globule shit
Hope it gets nerfed to shiiiiiit huahuahuahua
white orchid
Id be happy. I dread the day i get branch and will have to use it. Fk that globu...
lolol the little mini kite thing is very awkward for sure. feels like weve had wonky on use trinkets all xpac
heady moss
in m+, what's the best thing to do if you have CDs down/cant spread garrote and rupture and your tank pulls new mobs? is it just fan of knives/crimson tempest? to dot the new adds until KB back up?
heady moss
but even tab targeting, garrote has 6s cd and spamming fan/muta would just run you out of energy anyway no?
amber yoke
Well less so with a few ruptures up i suppose
hardy spruce
In this specific occasion would you rupture at any combo point ?
verbal fox
I feel like assa will be nerfed in some way and then, there will be no reason to push 100500 buttons and check timings to have the same dps as 2 button classes do.
hardy spruce
To spread as much ?
potent lintel
For the revival catalyst would it make sense to only use it on items from mythic +17 and above to maximize ugpgrade?
low quartz
they fixed garotte bug?
amber yoke
In this specific occasion would you rupture at any combo point ?
Feels right, gotta ask the experts on that one
heady moss
I was just doing a doti, the part where you have to clear the 3 portals. its a constant flow of mobs
not really sure what to do at that part
amber yoke
Probably not 1 cp I'd wager
lethal widget
I was just doing a doti, the part where you have to clear the 3 portals. its a ...
Play outlaw lol
lethal widget
You pretty much just try and get some ruptures going on what you can, tempest what you can’t and hope your insta kill procs to give you some false burst aoe
heady moss
yeah and other thing in that particular spot/if tank is just chain pulling, feels like adds dont last long enough to get full dps out of KB
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
hardy spruce
I guess it’s one of those occasion where your damage profile is not super good
heady moss
yeah i guess id just be worried what to do if tank is chain pullin
in general
not just in doti
hardy spruce
Had the same problem with unholy previous tier in m+ lol sometimes it’s like « whatever »
heady moss
pretty fun spec in general tho
hardy spruce
Hard agree it’s super fun I wanted to try something new I’m happy for it. 🥰
heady moss
😄
slim hamlet
NAAAAAAAAAAAH
whole herald
how much of a damage loss is it if i swap blindsight for tiny toxic blade
rotund oak
enabling the key to start or something
rotund oak
how much of a damage loss is it if i swap blindsight for tiny toxic blade
u can sim that friend
whole herald
blindside sucks so bad
slate crown
how much of a damage loss is it if i swap blindsight for tiny toxic blade
Probably a lot, blindside is pretty valuable, but yeah sim it
If you want to take TTK in single target, from my sims, the first point you should drop is Imp Poisons
Also wait
Oh you said tiny toxic
sorry I misread, either way, sim it
Not sure why you'd want to drop blindside though
balmy condor
kinda funny
bold stream
Just makes pooling easier
slim hamlet
how do we feel about tight spender vs imp ambush in m+?
loud hearth
Yeah, was gonna say that was a bit cooked to somehow not like blindside, but more power to the man
balmy condor
how do we feel about tight spender vs imp ambush in m+?
tight spender is just better
slim hamlet
Was thinking so
balmy condor
tight spender is already very close in single target compared to improved ambush
and imp ambush does nothing past single target
slim hamlet
I guess I had an old version of the hybrid build in my talents and was confused
bold stream
NAAAAAAAAAAAH
thats crazy lmao people are actually acoustic
flat kindle
!fuu
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shell wind
Assa is really fun 😄
bold stream
gets a bit weird waiting for energy on chain pulls but i just gotta use my vanish and SD better
deft vault
wait when did they changed the 4 piece bonus dmg to single target from 150% to 30%
gentle belfry
Without enchanted crest from renown, what would be the fastest way to acquire 2pc?
slim hamlet
wait when did they changed the 4 piece bonus dmg to single target from 150% to 3...
just tooltip fix
deft vault
so its still 150?
novel arrow
Guys was there a mastery weapon enchant?
keen spruce
novel arrow
What is it called
slim hamlet
dropping a bis dungeon down
slim hamlet
Guys was there a mastery weapon enchant?
idk if there is but why would u want that
novel arrow
idk if there is but why would u want that
threr was one right? am I high?
faint path
Hows our damage in m+ ?
woeful wigeon
lfr all the way XD
stable flint
!up
prisma monolithBOT
whole herald
fuck this game
the 20k dps feral that had less damage than the disc got it
flint tusk
Clearly they needed the help more 👀💀
river cipher
Playing Sin until I get 4 set because sub 4 set feels dogshit to play rn
fleet turtle
pastel onyx
nvm
willow kite
Regarding the latest bug fixing pin; how was Lethal Dose related to it? Was it an undocumented fix and what did it do?
faint path
assas is amazing
vestal cliff
Hey guys how can rouges handle incorporeal affix?
balmy condor
blind
smoky horizon
Whsipyr: it probably would be better to run Caustic instead of Internal Bleeding on bosses like Gnarlroot right? Cause of the consistent adds spawning now and then?
keen stirrup
Will assa fall behind in raid after outlaws have their 4pc?
raw raft
i received 2 pc and an embersoul and cruel dreamcarver tonight pog
strange python
Will assa fall behind in raid after outlaws have their 4pc?
If bugfixes are in then no
celest ruin
third time in a row i join a murozonds rise key listed as galakronds fall
faint path
i received 2 pc and an embersoul and cruel dreamcarver tonight pog
jesussss
faint path
third time in a row i join a murozonds rise key listed as galakronds fall <:star...
whats the difference? for the dagger which one should I que
celest ruin
galakrons fall
faint path
Witherbark's trinket so op I guess for assas and sub
tropic tundra
Plater question: Is there a way to make plater NOT show the copied bleed/poison/debuff from deathmark?
Do those copied debuffs have different spell ID?
pure moth
i get convinced to drop down to a 16 one goddamn time
grats. just ran one, no luck though. had all the luck used up s2
timber meadow
for M+, do i wanna just grab crit/mastery on my crafted pieces?
faint path
Dude I think aassas > outlaw > sub
willow kite
maiden sierra
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
buoyant kraken
Does ambush work for caustic splatter?
untold lynx
no
maiden sierra
im pretty sure it does
they did a change on ptr a few weeks ago fixing that issue
nvm, it doesnt
the fix was for tier set
faint path
Hows our tier sets ? compared to other 2 spec
royal lantern
Does ambush work for caustic splatter?
yes
wanton path
toxic thorn boots yeh?
royal lantern
it does
keen spruce
grats. just ran one, no luck though. had all the luck used up s2
surely one will will be in the vault too 
untold lynx
thats wrong btw
my bad, just reading the tooltip give the impression it would only be mutilate
"Using Mutilate on a target afflicted by your Rupture and Deadly Poison applies Caustic Spatter for 10 sec. Limit 1."
indigo sinew
is it worth running wound poison on sanguine week?
indigo sinew
oki
royal lantern
its straight up griefing
low quartz
I guess just dont play crippling right
warm parcel
Wouldnt wound beat amps envenom gains with temper
empty timber
Jpc takes 6 out 10 spots on Smolderon NM xD
turbid harbor
i hard trolled
royal lantern
nuke it from earth
fallen forge
so i dont have to fight an aug for a spot
i mean
i would rather it get deleted
but thats not gonna happen
royal lantern
i wonder if people realise that legit nobody except a couple people actually wants to play shit like that
fallen forge
im sure like 50% of the players are fotm pushing and wouldnt play it if it werent so meta
royal lantern
the moment its not litearlly free top dps raidspots+free r.io anymore and is "only" decent-good, the popularity will crash harder then mw monk
fallen forge
royal lantern
fallen forge
mw monk? whats that
balmy condor
Jpc takes 6 out 10 spots on Smolderon NM xD
Welcome to how day 1 splits work lmao
faint path
Dude assas is super fun and powerful wtf
spring socket
what peeps playing for keys this week hybird or aerterial ?
keen spruce
i've just been playin hybrid for everything
limber lion
Jpc takes 6 out 10 spots on Smolderon NM xD
This picture right here explains why I quit RWF before I even properly got into it
limber lion
6 characters? Fuck that
brazen zodiac
xD
keen spruce
obtuse latch
Does assa work in m+?
faint path
Does assa work in m+?
ye a lot
obtuse latch
Or well, can i stay assa or play outlaw for m+ is mainly the question, if i gotta gear
Okay, so i do not fk myself to go assa then
jaunty nest
velvet ridge
Sin slaps, I'm having a blast in 17s
kind forge
Okay, so i do not fk myself to go assa then
nope you'll do not - sin is very viable in ,+
royal lantern
i hate m+i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+ i hate m+
willow kite
why
royal lantern
cus its a failed shit mode that people gaslight themself into liking because they have nothing better too do and are content starved
🙂
velvet ridge
Why do you play the game
winter raft
topaz echo
the thing i hate about m+ is the fact it's essentially mandatory to participate in raids
royal lantern
^
topaz echo
if they were separate systems i wouldn't mind it
royal lantern
cant enjoy new raid releases, always turns into "lets spam m+ for gear for 2-3 weeks"
balmy condor
After ashes buff it’s looking more and more like if you don’t wanna farm branch you can just take the L and use ashes tbh
royal lantern
i just wanna raid man 
balmy condor
Like without timestrike dagger and without branch it’s probably like -3.5%
spice surge
After ashes buff it’s looking more and more like if you don’t wanna farm branch ...
Ashes isnt really an L, you dont have to kite orbs
balmy condor
It’s totally doable
balmy condor
Ashes isnt really an L, you dont have to kite orbs
Also true
spice surge
Also i wouldnt be surprised if they buff ashes again
Its literally awful for all classes besides assa, where its not even that good
trim raptor
Sorry if this has alrerady been answered. Is 2pc bugged on sims? I sim 20k less with 2p2p
kind forge
what is the higher value of the blindside ap build vs the hybrid ?
wouldnt you still loose ST?
balmy condor
Sorry if this has alrerady been answered. Is 2pc bugged on sims? I sim 20k less ...
Are you simming weekly
balmy condor
what is the higher value of the blindside ap build vs the hybrid ?
wouldnt you ...
They’re pretty much the same
trim raptor
Latest
balmy condor
Hm shouldn’t be the case
kind forge
besides dtb and amp
balmy condor
2+2 was comfortably ahead
trim raptor
Am i blind? What did i do wrong
balmy condor
Idk
Simming 5 min 1 target with m+ talents
Was that the intent
Or did you not swap into your raid talents
spice surge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVrRNSsntLez9zYi5yDzT1
If you are gonna compare your gear i'd suggest using the top gear feature rather than doing multiple quick sims
(or gear compare if you dont have the items in question)
trim raptor
Was that the intent
Oh shit you're right. Im an idiot. I must have simc'd during trash
Thank you
faint path
oki
simple ore
isn't that warlock tier?
sweet inlet
Is assa any good in dungeons now with the changes or mainly effects in raids?
faint path
Is assa any good in dungeons now with the changes or mainly effects in raids?
really good in keys too
spice surge
yes you can play assa in m+
cinder parrot
does acrobatic strikes increase application radius for indiscriminate carnage
sharp viper
yes you can play assa in m+
if you get taken by pugs LUL
surreal citrus
I didn't get tier from LFR but I did get the elemental codex and a sweet 800k for it
mortal badger
do we still wanna save shiv for KB in AP m+ build ?
surreal citrus
time to wait until saturday for guild raid
faint path
I didn't get tier from LFR but I did get the elemental codex and a sweet 800k fo...
800k jesusss
split jewel
is aoe blind not hitting more than 1 incorporeal for you guys?
split jewel
rip
sick abyss
do you ever send kingsbane without deathmark inbetween deathmark cooldown?
spice surge
anyone elses ambush not working with subterfuge
Unmacro bomb from it
Using any trinket breaks subterfuge for some reason
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
macro it to pistol shot
hope your pastries have an accidental raisin in it
neat plank
have any of you ass rogues played together with outlaw in m+ and beat them in dmg? 🙂
oblique wasp
have any of you ass rogues played together with outlaw in m+ and beat them in dm...
I did
neat plank
was the other party equal to you in skill and ilvl? 🙂
oblique wasp
I would say better than me, based on scores
fallen forge
was the other party equal to you in skill and ilvl? 🙂
if they were equal in skill and ilvl i doubt sin would win
neat plank
I would say better than me, based on scores
how do you explain outdpsing them?
fallen forge
i know a lot of really good players at lower io scores just bc they dont want to try and push in a season,
that might be it tbh
neat plank
well that guy had a higher score though
fallen forge
kinda like how there are plenty of aotc raiders better than mythic raiders
just bc they dont push the content doesnt mean theyre worse if that makes sense
oblique wasp
how do you explain outdpsing them?
following - 1. much less dependance on uptime on sin - I spread dots continuously, I can play mechanics, I dont die to mechanics because it the worst scenario I have 10-15 seconds
2. I am much much mroe flexible in terms of like - new target, you get DoTs dawg and just basically one long chain of spreading
3. and the burstiness of sin's CD - I outdid them a lot when CDs were back and some mob/boss
indigo sinew
bro imagine popping kb and dm just as chromie does the guessing game
neat plank
sims are one thing, reality is different. the problem is, in top sims everything works out perfectly for the outlaw rogue. in actual dungeons it doesnt
wide ferry
Outlaw you have to be in 12 redbulls and have jump cables attached to your ass at all times to do dps as OL
mild dove
anyone played sin against BM? how do you go against them, it seems every hunter Ive played with is on 2kg of crack
blazing jewel
sims are one thing, reality is different. the problem is, in top sims everything...
bro if you think anyone is playing perfect to the sim on day 1 youre cooked
there isnt even 1 full day of data
neat plank
bro if you think anyone is playing perfect to the sim on day 1 youre cooked
worse than that, I don't even think it's up to the player :p but just the reality of how dungeon runs go. in spite of your best efforts, you'll lose AR uptime
maybe 1 key in 100 will turn out like the sims for you
blazing jewel
I dont even get the point youre trying to make here
oblique wasp
I mean, so far I outdid both Sub and OL but of course that is one drop in the ocean and I wouldn't say that I am good player
blazing jewel
dungeon slice sims arent for comparing across specs
its for comparing things within a spec
blazing jewel
?????
neat plank
you can expect to do as much dps as ass sims show.
you can't expect to do as much dps as outlaw sims show.
fallen forge
go off scana
blazing jewel
if you expect to look at dsclice for any spec and think that reflects on actual performance youre straight cooked lol
fallen forge
pretend he enjoys grilled cheese with mayo
blazing jewel
like I said thats not really what they are used for
neat plank
if you expect to look at dsclice for any spec and think that reflects on actual ...
well obviously I don't expect it, thats literally what I said 😄
blazing jewel
i guess my point is that sims for outlaw are more bait than sims for ass
????????
fallen veldt
Hi guys i need help for raid witch spec is better assa or outlaw?
fallen forge
Hi guys i need help for raid witch spec is better assa or outlaw?
whichever you fuck up less in
neat plank
so ass
:p
because the fucking up of outlaw is not even up to you
tank pulls in a way that will make your buffs fall off, youre gonna suck
wide ferry
wayy to much relying on rtb bs rng
fallen forge
isnt ace the big rng thing now
royal lantern
rtb is such a giant whatever for ages now
fallen forge
idk anything about outlaw i just go brrr in keys lmao
split jewel
ironwire is too sexy to give up
solemn trout
why does echo rogue players use dance in 6 second left KB?
oblique wasp
why does echo rogue players use dance in 6 second left KB?
prob nighstalker snapshot for biggest bites of KB
split jewel
might have tea macrod to it as well
split jewel
nonsense
oblique wasp
bruh
oak sky
dance before kb snapshots the whole ability with nightstalker
thorn timber
the people that are logging well with time rift trinkets - I'm assuming that's not because they're sleeper OP but because they had nothing better/
solemn trout
At least it's not a mistake. kush and perfecto do the same.
fallen forge
are those trinkets worth getting over bomb dispenser and echo trinket?
fallen raven
azzinoth at 450 is probably worth simming
oblique wasp
I mean, as long as the boss goes down it is ok
fallen forge
i mean im doing normal tomorrow so idc that much
just curious
too busy getting rejected from every galakrond key
royal lantern
prob nighstalker snapshot for biggest bites of KB
when you say things like that
do you even know
how assa plays rn?
or do you just say random shit?
boreal lark
It is normal that subterfuge does not work to extend passives?
wide ferry
thats what vanish is for lol
fallen forge
or do you just say random shit?
i say random shit 
faint path
What should we craft?
fallen forge
sometimes u gotta spread a lil chaos
royal lantern
i say random shit <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
90% of this channel in the last few days
you shoud legit not be allowed to type unless you have 4months in this server
flint tusk
90% of this channel in the last few days
you shoud legit not be allowed to type...
based
orchid sun
heey, how big is our old 4 set? When do you guys drop it for ilvl?
flint tusk
to avoid stuff like this ^^^^
fallen forge
lmfao
strange python
heey, how big is our old 4 set? When do you guys drop it for ilvl?
just sim it bro
🥹
oblique wasp
bruh
orchid sun
just sim it bro
will do thanks, just wondered if there was any obvious info 👍
oblique wasp
kinda stressed out here
fallen forge
why what happened king
flint tusk
I now understand whispyr's dispair it took 3 tiers but i now get it
spending all that time on a comprehensive guide for everyone to ignore it
blazing jewel
I watched a vod of the echo rogues
fallen forge
<:pins:433007514825523202> <:faq:866746987071668275> <:guide:756129636093657178>
that should be a pin tbh
fallen forge
like a good cooked or bad cooked
wide ferry
🤣
oblique wasp
Why are they dancing the last portion of kb
fallen forge
gourmet or dumpstir diving
blazing jewel
So they are snapshotting kb with vanish
Instead of with dance
So they swap their stealth usage
austere fulcrum
do we know the buffs from dreamcarver dagger ?
vestal cliff
How is our cleave compared to outlaw ?
fallen forge
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
vagrant obsidian
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gusty marten
Internal Bleeding and Crimson Tempest also add to Sudden Demise, right?
austere fulcrum
ty
kind forge
do they not enjoy the synced CD of dance and KB on their screen ? those echo rogues man 
faint path
which dagger is that?
runic terrace
Why doesn't my makro work?
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
surreal citrus
the dream dagger from raid
runic terrace
Do I have to use /castsequence?
austere fulcrum
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
slow tulip
is the first craft the boots ? thx
fallen forge
Why doesn't my makro work?
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
are you using it off gcd
kind forge
Do I have to use /castsequence?
no
fallen forge
dont spam it right after you press shiv
runic terrace
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
thanks!
faint path
What should we craft? for first week
analog glacier
Is the master assasin buff up during the whole duration of shadow dance?
pseudo forum
sorry if this has been asked: the guides are listing Pips/Brand as the best trinkets from the raid, but is it actually Ashes/Brand?
clever sapphire
What should we craft? for first week
assuming you crafted toxic shit in S2, toxic thorn boots are gonna be your best option
runic terrace
So my castsequence makro for DM/Dance/KB doesn't work, KB is not casted:
/castsequence reset=30 Deathmark, Shiv, Shadow Dance, Kingsbane, Garrote
austere fulcrum
i think we still want to have toxic boots + patch
restive trail
whats the best use for dreamcarver?
flint tusk
So my castsequence makro for DM/Dance/KB doesn't work, KB is not casted:
/castse...
why are you using a cast sequence for that?
keen spruce
whats the best use for dreamcarver?
is that the raid dagger?
fallen forge
ye
keen spruce
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
runic terrace
why are you using a cast sequence for that?
I don't know how else to do it^^
flint tusk
just press them xD
fallen forge
I don't know how else to do it^^
just press the buttons
still creek
Got my branch ggs, only champion but itiswhatisis
runic terrace
just press the buttons
I thaught that maybe there could be an easier way^^
keen spruce
So maybe thats why they using shd at the end of kib?
oh are you talkin about the echo rogues?
flint tusk
the only macro that is sorta worth having is one that casts shadow dance and kingsbane as shadowdance is off the GCD and gets maximum value out of it.
keen spruce
they're doin some weird shit
flint tusk
Got my branch ggs, only champion but itiswhatisis
congratz. i was sad to find out that even a +10 branch is better than mythic trinkets
keen spruce
but it would proabbly work to vanish-gar-kb... then dance in the last 6 seconds of KB
like flip them around
idk why you would tho
sounds weird
surreal citrus
Got my branch ggs, only champion but itiswhatisis
couldn't be me
ran 8 dungeons yesterday and kept getting back to back waycrest/brh
got 7 pairs of shoes out of 8 dungeons
keen spruce
for probably no gain
analog glacier
oh are you talkin about the echo rogues?
Yes
blazing jewel
I’m assuming whispyr tested vanish first vs dance first maybe there is another reason they are doing it
flint tusk
idk why you would tho
could possibly just be a case of it's a good way of always ensuring the end ticks of KB are covered by the crit amp
like a micro optimisation
you know what they're like
keen spruce
yeah we were messing with that early in PTR
blazing jewel
We already to that with vanish currently
surreal citrus
where in the rotation do you even pop branch
does kb snapshot or can you just branch right before kb and grab 2 orbs then get the third before kb expires
fallen forge
I thaught that maybe there could be an easier way^^
nah that looks cursed
flint tusk
It could also just "feel" better
fallen forge
just practice on a dummy till it feels natural
flint tusk
vanishing at the end dose feel off to me. but it works so i'm not complaining.
blazing jewel
I checked perfectos vod and he did it for both DMs the one boss I looked at
keen spruce
i'm sure it's fine 
flint tusk
ye. it's probs identical damage
flint tusk
same buffs covering things
keen spruce
like divergent evolution
flint tusk
ye
it's good having alternative ways of doing it as some people might prefer vanishing into kingsbane while others dancing into it.
junior aurora
its also easier to just rip the dance with the tea maybe so you dont mess up vanish timing?
blazing jewel
The issue is you can’t really snapshot your non dm kingsbane
keen spruce
The issue is you can’t really snapshot your non dm kingsbane
oh true
blazing jewel
Because your dance cd would be 8s after your kb
keen spruce
maybe the europeans are just bad at WoW
kind forge
The issue is you can’t really snapshot your non dm kingsbane
That’s what I’m thinking
keen spruce
junior aurora
or maybe they want vanish for defensive purposes?
blazing jewel
Non dm kingsbane is less relevant than when it’s paired with dm but it’s still a lot of damage
blazing jewel
or maybe they want vanish for defensive purposes?
They are snapshotting with vanish
blazing jewel
None of the rogue specs are really allowed to use vanish as a defensive atm
junior aurora
is it every european rogue or is it just the 2-3 echo ones doing this
junior aurora
could just be what they came up w/ in house and they dont look at wowhead for whatever reason
junior aurora
not thinking about swapping vanish/dance in kb window
keen spruce
but i'd also imagine
or assume that someone in that org is poking around class discords too
but maybe not
junior aurora
some people are prideful man
keen spruce
well it might be bettwe who knows
junior aurora
i know ive seen a lot of the rwf guys talk shit on class discords
keen spruce
better*
runic sequoia
What build are people playing in m+?
opaque cliff
Maybe the extra critchance at the end out weights the nightstalker snapshot
still creek
What build are people playing in m+?
hybrid from wowhead just with extra FoK range and without extra shiv charge
junior aurora
Maybe the extra critchance at the end out weights the nightstalker snapshot
we get that with vanish is the thing
opaque cliff
Isn't the shadow dance window longer?
blazing jewel
Would cover 1 more tick vs vanish
keen spruce
What build are people playing in m+?
hybrid, i've started to prefer stubby arms except in a few specific scenarios
junior aurora
i think tea is too good for my own brain
prefer standing closer and being able to press more gcds lol
neat horizon
do we have to do the campaign when we log in or can we instantly start doing m+/pvp ?
craggy nimbus
Didn't someone have a nice WA to keep track of Kingsbane?
tropic tundra
Can anyone help me understand this phrase from icyveins guide, pandemic section?
"Safe Pandemic refresh timing is based on the newly applied base duration and not the original length of the effect. Therefore, a 2 Combo Point Rupture can benefit from full Pandemic if it is refreshed by a 5-6 Combo Point Rupture. We explain how to take advantage of this in the opening sequence later in the guide."
Does this mean if I start with 2cp rupture and then refresh it with 5+cp rupture, at the next refresh I can use the 5+cp pandemic timer? Or anything else?
turbid harbor
anyone else keep randomly getting unstealthed
blazing roost
is the pinned m+ buff better than the one that was suggested on wowhead?
turbid harbor
or is it just me
midnight mist
anyone else keep randomly getting unstealthed
!stealthbreak
prisma monolithBOT
Stealth can break from:
- crit flask Overwhelming Rage (red debuff)
- evoker leggo buff dropping
- Essence trinket on buff gain
- Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
keen spruce
do we have to do the campaign when we log in or can we instantly start doing m+/...
you can just start playin
campaign is just an intro to the zone with some rewards like currencies n renown n what not