#assassination

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warm shard
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Yeah just trying to figure out how to min max day 1

gaunt sigil
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I’m just gonna press KB and be top dmg

slim hamlet
oak tangle
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i'm picking up sin after like 2 patches of playing other stuff, but i sent a 900k kb that felt good

slim hamlet
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Its wicked

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Then imagine this

gaunt sigil
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Just you wait

slim hamlet
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U can probably get one tick to do around that

cunning basin
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Oh yeah

oak tangle
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yeah, im only 433 atm, and still relearning the rotation

cunning basin
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It's gonna be fucking insane

slim hamlet
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We the new uhdk

gaunt sigil
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My record rn is 2.1M at 442. But with raid buffs like wft and PI you will see it skyrocket

oak tangle
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i mean there was a reason they made us choose kb or dtb. glad they let us take both now

slim hamlet
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You might hit max KB stacks without DTB even right now tbh

keen spruce
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or don't it doesn't matter Studygers

slim hamlet
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Like with PI you hit max stacks at 2nd last tick

gaunt sigil
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KB without DTB is like a Girl without her cock YesYes

slim hamlet
keen spruce
cunning basin
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Same

slim hamlet
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why white border

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smh

keen spruce
fleet pagoda
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dark token
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Did any of you guys remake ur tier helm at 450

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Can you can still use s2 sockets on it

cunning basin
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The smart guy that works the robit told me it doesn't matter so I'm passing on his teachings like a good noodle

keen spruce
cunning basin
keen spruce
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then realized the vendor doesn't sell them anymore

slim hamlet
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The vendor does sell sockets

keen spruce
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then realized that it doesn't say season 2 on it

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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oh he does

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i swear when i looked on tuesday

slim hamlet
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He did yesterday

keen spruce
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he only sold gold baggies

cunning basin
keen spruce
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i see them now weird

slim hamlet
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Gold baggies, socket and spark

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I think

vapid skiff
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he didnt have them on wednesday

keen spruce
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either way @dark token the 450 converted tier doesn't say season 2 on it so i doubt it would work

slim hamlet
keen spruce
vapid skiff
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didnt check after but took some garbage instead of socket because the vendor had no option to sell it

keen spruce
dark token
slim hamlet
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Sure buddy

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Paid actor

vapid skiff
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very besad moment

dark token
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Doesn't this mean it's s2 gear

slim hamlet
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Nah

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It will have S2 tag if it is

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This whole convert stuff is likely not meant to be a thing

vapid skiff
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well you can only convert s2 gear so its something buggy in between kinda thing Cring

keen spruce
brittle pawn
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someone told me it was already hotfixed for s2 tier

astral wharf
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Quick question, as a new assa: is it normal to feel a bit energy starved in between burst windows?
might miss sth... not sure

dark token
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Ok I make tier legs instead ig

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I made 450 chest today

slim hamlet
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Yea but if u convert without upgrading first it can't be upgraded

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Like it's 100% a bug

vapid skiff
dark token
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Ok making legs asap

slim hamlet
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Remember to buy legs enchant then

oak tangle
dark token
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You can't re enchant after?

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It's like bugged gear?

slim hamlet
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Ye

dark token
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Wtf

slim hamlet
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U can but I forgor I had to do it

keen spruce
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yes you can enchant

slim hamlet
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No its not bugged

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u can

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Just saying to remember because I forgor

keen spruce
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u can't just ask 2 questions in a row that have opposite answers that you want to hear OMEGAKEKW

slim hamlet
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Well he just did

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So L to you mr duck

keen spruce
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DinkDonk1 that's illegal DinkDonk1

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your punishment is 500 more seeds DinkDonk1

slim hamlet
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Nooooooooooooooooooooo

fleet pagoda
dark token
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Maybe I can socket my dreamsurge helm

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Before I catalyst

slim hamlet
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I am close to The Seeds I Sow achieve

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Huge title

keen spruce
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isn't that only 100

slim hamlet
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"blossom bringer"

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AKA seed bringer

slim hamlet
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🙂

keen spruce
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shoulda been "Seed Stallion"

slim hamlet
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Seed sower

slim hamlet
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I don't wanna

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The achievement is only for contributing seeds

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And its bugged

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or at least was

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I have done way more feelscryman

keen spruce
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3 lil homies missing

slim hamlet
fleet pagoda
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is tracking SD redundant with how on the rails it is?

keen spruce
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i wouldn't say redundant

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but not super important

slim hamlet
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There are very few scenarios where u might use shadow dance without KB in m+

fleet pagoda
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I feel like I'm tracking a lot of things and it's having a negative impact on where my attention is lol

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yeah that's fair

keen spruce
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oh wait my brain

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I read SD

slim hamlet
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Generally prolly just dont track it if its overstimulating

proven jasper
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I assumed demise

keen spruce
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thought sudden demise

proven jasper
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Ya

keen spruce
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then converted to IC

proven jasper
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LOL

keen spruce
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but then converted to sB

slim hamlet
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Lets riot for a new name

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fr

keen spruce
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i need to go to bed

slim hamlet
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Feel like I only just woke up and it's pitch black outside

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gg

keen spruce
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it's 8am Tiredgers

slim hamlet
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wrong

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its 5pm

keen spruce
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L hemisphere

slim hamlet
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L fake timezone user

oak tangle
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what hemisphere is it 5pm in atm

keen spruce
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i thought it was 2am then i noticed the sun coming up

slim hamlet
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idfk which hemisphere

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Wherever CET is

plucky cargo
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11:08am in the superior time zone

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Eastern > all

proven jasper
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Ya man it aint even noon yet

slim hamlet
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It's been dark for 2 hours

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I love living in scandinavia after October

maiden sierra
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its 4pm lads, there is only 1 time and the rest are government propaganda

keen spruce
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east coast has florida AND new york FeelsPukeMan

keen spruce
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although we have seattle and SF

oak tangle
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i forgot about that video, i do not exist

keen spruce
proven jasper
oak tangle
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i am paid actor

slim hamlet
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Most people in here are

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Every person disagreeing with me is a paid actor

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Factual information

proven jasper
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Ok BUDDY

slim hamlet
plucky cargo
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Pennsylvania is EST and we’re the home of the Amish and Will Smith. Debate over, we won.

slim hamlet
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How many time zones in murica?

proven jasper
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I live in the land of the pilgrims

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idfk tbh like 3?

oak tangle
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the only thing i know of penssylvania and it probably exists elsewhere, is that you have a sports store called dicks

keen spruce
slim hamlet
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thought that was a clothing store

proven jasper
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Yea we got one of those here

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its like a sporting goods store kinda

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Not rlly

keen spruce
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no 4

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again i need sleep

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i forgot mountain time exists

proven jasper
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Oh yeah i was close

slim hamlet
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I knew of west east and mountain

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idk what last is

keen spruce
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central

slim hamlet
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well

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that makes sense

keen spruce
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then hawaii is technically in it's own time zone cuz they don't do daylight savings

proven jasper
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Central

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O im late

keen spruce
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but it's the same as alaska half of the year

cunning forum
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Do we break 4 piece for 2 set in new raid?

keen spruce
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so 5

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5/6

proven jasper
cunning forum
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Ty

proven jasper
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Go 2p+2p

slim hamlet
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Like canada having 2 random states in the middle of the coutnry not using summer and winter time

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wtf is even that

keen spruce
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technically 6 time zones

chilly viper
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since when Canada has states

keen spruce
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hawaii, alaksa, pacific, mountain, central, eastern

slim hamlet
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One country with so many

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L

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Just be a tiny pookie bear like denmark and only have one

oak tangle
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my favourite part about the 'united' states, is how all your states have different laws

slim hamlet
proven jasper
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Bro they arent even united

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on top of that

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LMAO

slim hamlet
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provinces

chilly viper
slim hamlet
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apparently

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yea

chilly viper
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same thing honestly lol

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just wanted to be annoying

keen spruce
dreamy elk
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Couple of sin rotational questions:

  1. Do you finish at 4CP (for envenom) even pre-T31 set?
  2. For your "mini-burst" windows (i.e. kingsbane is up but no deathmark or vanish), do you want to go into it with envenom + shiv already up then shadow dance + KB? So sequence like Envenom -> Shiv -> Shadow Dance -> Kingsbane?
  3. Also could you use a shadow dance + KB macro or will I not get the effect of nightstalker by doing that?
proven jasper
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yes to all the above

royal lantern
proven jasper
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You can finish above 4 also though its not like a set in stone rule

oak tangle
slim hamlet
keen spruce
oak tangle
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wot

slim hamlet
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yea

oak tangle
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this breaks laws

keen spruce
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ik

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it's weird

dreamy elk
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Dope. That macro will save me a button. Thanks.

slim hamlet
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Because energy and saving cp is more important now

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but its same difference to do 4+ and 5+

keen spruce
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hurt me deep in my loins

royal lantern
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and, you know, deeper still gives more finisher dmg regardless

oak tangle
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is this just for envenom?

slim hamlet
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So just do 5+ if u are used to it starege

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nah

fleet pagoda
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finishing on 4cp is the new exsang

keen spruce
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it's more about saving CP from seal fate

oak tangle
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brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruh

keen spruce
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then anything else

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i mean you can also just finish on 5+

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basically same same

oak tangle
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that is honestly going to be the hardest thing to adjust to

slim hamlet
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just dont

keen spruce
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it's not like

fleet pagoda
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it's more optional than optimal i think

keen spruce
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a gain or anything

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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the only time it sort of matters is in dance

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where u want to squeeze in a rupture

slim hamlet
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One of the cases where it really is just "it dont matter"

keen spruce
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and u might get unluckers

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wait no

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ambush gives 3cp

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nvm

oak tangle
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i mean it is nice that a crit mut can lead to a finisher now

keen spruce
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you can just ignore

slim hamlet
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U are not hitting 4cp very often anyways

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U need to be unlucky to hit 4cp

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2 muts no crit with this much crit

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no blindside proc

keen spruce
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i'm only a 30% crit haver

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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well unbuffed

slim hamlet
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thats how math works

keen spruce
slim hamlet
keen spruce
fleet pagoda
slim hamlet
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But yea even 30% it is more likely than not to happen

keen spruce
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ye

onyx rain
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does this seem like the right damage profile for a 21BH?

slim hamlet
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if u wanna do 4+cp u can just make wa light cp up when at that to get used to it

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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with 30% crit it's a 24% chance to get no crits on 2 mutilates

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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Most have spatter at least top 3

royal lantern
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but yeha, seems normal

royal lantern
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you use CT once, all the 30000small adds get CT and die 4seconds later

slim hamlet
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am I dumb

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brackenhide

royal lantern
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and spatter has hardcap

pure sail
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get a spatter weakaura if u struggle with that

slim hamlet
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it dont have hardcap

onyx rain
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hardcap at 1

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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but if it is a bunch of small adds then yea ct is better

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no

royal lantern
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or did my brain made that up

slim hamlet
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spatter is like CT and everythign else

royal lantern
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stupid brain

slim hamlet
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reduced over 5

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But still true what u said other than that

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🙂

keen spruce
onyx rain
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i guess im running into confusion on what the prio is on bigger pulls

slim hamlet
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Most breakdowns I see is Spatter-CT-Garrote top dmg

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Garrote seems fine to me there idk

keen spruce
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yeah ig my garrote in bracken was a lot higher but my CT was lower so it's kind of a wash

oak tangle
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yo i wanna hit the tree boss in algethar with spatter

slim hamlet
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Same

keen spruce
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spatter seems low tho

slim hamlet
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cant wait for fated season starege

keen spruce
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gotta get those spatties up

onyx rain
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so on a bigger pull if i have a few ruptures out, garrotes, and CT up, the next prio is mutilating to spread spatter? by swapping to different targets?

oak tangle
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no

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spatter is a single target at once

onyx rain
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right which is why its early in the opener

keen spruce
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you wanna get bleeds out, spatter the prio/high health mob

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then CT

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or ct then find a spatter

light goblet
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subterfuge bugged for anyone else on sin?

light goblet
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well it is for me :(

keen spruce
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you just want spatter up as early as possible

onyx rain
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got it

keen spruce
bleak ivy
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how is Assa looking copared to outlaw on m+?

slim hamlet
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It is bugged but u gotta know the bug to see it basically

keen spruce
light goblet
slim hamlet
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Oh

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idk about that

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have you talented it? kekdog

light goblet
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lol yes

slim hamlet
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Hey

keen spruce
slim hamlet
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Gotta make sure

proven jasper
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Idk works for me

keen spruce
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in specific conditions

proven jasper
keen spruce
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in all conditions

light goblet
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im just attacking a training dummy

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and i cant use ambush in the opener

keen spruce
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do you have any macros

light goblet
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because i dont have the buff

slim hamlet
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make clip

proven jasper
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Yeah send vid

light goblet
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idk how

keen spruce
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do you have a bomb dispenser macrod

slim hamlet
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!bomb

keen spruce
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to any of your abilities

slim hamlet
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hm

fleet pagoda
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wasn't there an issue on ptr with it in regards to certain trinkets?

slim hamlet
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!subterfuge

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What is command

keen spruce
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there's always been an issue with many things

light goblet
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i have bomb dispenser but not macrod

keen spruce
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and subterfuge

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are you casting bomb dispenser from stealth?

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as your first global?

kindred heron
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not trinket related

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just leaving stealth, getting improved gar, but no subter

slim hamlet
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Try going over and right clicking

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in stealth

keen spruce
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did this man just switch discord accounts?

slim hamlet
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not abilities

slim hamlet
slate crown
keen spruce
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or are 2 people having the same problem

light goblet
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lol no

slate crown
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Or, may not be a bug but it’s a known thing

light goblet
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idk who that guy is

bleak ivy
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How are assasination rogues looking in 10.2 in M+ and raid ? Do Outlaws outshine us ?

slim hamlet
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We haven't seen them both in the same room monkahmm

oak tangle
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i'm looking with my eyes

fleet pagoda
keen spruce
slim hamlet
prisma vortex
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same, i'm not getting my subterfuge window after breaking stealth

slate crown
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If you literally unstealth without taking actions. You do not gain subt. It’s been that way on ptr for a while

slim hamlet
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Guys

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send clippers ples

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where u go and right click

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no button clicking

slate crown
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I’m in bed

keen spruce
slate crown
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Oh

oak tangle
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are you confusing the glowing icons for garrote / rupture as being subterfuge window and not IC?

slate crown
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Sorry I’m sleepy

slim hamlet
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I mean unstealthing =/= breaking stealth I guess. Nvm imp gar has same wording

keen spruce
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Manually leaving stealth, mounting, bomb dispenser and other on-use non-damage trinkets, sark cloak, corrupting rage

brazen zodiac
keen spruce
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will all break stealth and/or cancel subterfuge

slate crown
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Yah

keen spruce
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@light goblet take off your trinkets and try gar-snd-ambush on a dummy for me plz

prisma vortex
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It was my bomb dispenser cancelling subterfuge

keen spruce
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and remove buffs/sark cloak etc

prisma vortex
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its normal now

keen spruce
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yeah it's normally bomb dispenser

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cuz that one behaves the most unexpectedly

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but like irideus fragment will do the same

slate crown
drifting light
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yo boys, any1 proficient with plater to help me out? I am trying to make the mob health appear in front of its cast bar by playing with strata levels, but it only works for my non-target as you can see in the image

oak tangle
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just unbind all stuns / interrupts and hide the cast bar

slim hamlet
drifting light
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should I change something here?

oak tangle
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is there a column on the right hand side that is for text options

slim hamlet
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You could try taking cast bar to -1

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See if nothing fucks up

drifting light
keen spruce
wild tusk
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Is it bad if I drop envenom while I'm reapplying rupture? Sometimes I have a 4p envenom and I don't have enough time to build and finish 2x under it, so it falls off. Do I need to make sure I only reapply rupture in a 6p envenom so I have enough time to continue the chain?

keen spruce
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if you drop envenom just pool back to 80% energy and start a new chain thumbsup

wild tusk
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Roger that

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Thank you

keen spruce
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especially rn with old tier and what not

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you're gonna be droppin it a lot

wild tusk
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Yeah I know old tier is whack but I'm trying to build good habits now

keen spruce
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just more time to vibee while we poolin

covert basin
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!whispyr

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badrng

gaunt sigil
slate crown
keen spruce
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but i wanna

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i'd just have that little vibe guy hangin out at all times

slate crown
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IDN either but I know you can do something

oak tangle
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it'll be a stopmnotion texture probs

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have a catjam gif pop up for each stack on kb

slim hamlet
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wft proc = 8 catjams in 1 sec

oak tangle
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but like those oldschool scam internet malwares

slim hamlet
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poggies

keen spruce
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i don't think i could be trusted with that technology

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my whole screen would just be peepos and ducks

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dancing around

slim hamlet
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I have seen worse UI's

indigo mulch
slim hamlet
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wtf

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is

indigo mulch
slim hamlet
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that

oak tangle
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i need some scuffed audio queue for the last few seconds of KB

slim hamlet
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me too honestly

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Something to yell at me when vanish if I forgor

keen spruce
proven jasper
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Just give me the pipe falling sound effect

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Cant miss that

oak tangle
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i made a weak aura for my friend where whenever someone in his m+ party died, it played the wasted sound from gta

indigo mulch
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There is a voice queue with a very loud man screaming "I'm going to barbeque your ass" somewhere.

proven jasper
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HAHA

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i miss the old school dbm sounds

slate crown
keen spruce
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yo my buddy got a WA made for deep breath on dev

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that did the "ENEMY AC 130 ABOVE" yell from CoD

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then on top of that

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for each hit that it did on an enemy it would play the hitmarker sound

oak tangle
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hahaha

keen spruce
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shit was hilarious but very cursed

oak tangle
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that's great

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i replaced my dbm count down timer with random clips of my friend saying the numbers

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that was scuffed

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and i replaced my GTFO alarm noise with him saying "what are you doing c**t"

slim hamlet
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I don't like timeline auras but can probably totally steal everything else in it

light goblet
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Apparently there is a build aoe build doing more than outlaw in M+?

slim hamlet
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Yes

lucid rain
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is there a WA that has DBM timer-style bars for bleeds?

light goblet
slim hamlet
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Our aoe is better right now

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It's just the normal one

light goblet
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Oh okay

oak tangle
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tier and gear will change things, as will bug fixes and other stuffs

slim hamlet
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At least from what I've seen our aoe is quite a lot better than outlaw even

proven jasper
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Im just glad we are finally strong on low target counts again lol

slim hamlet
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Anyone knows what target count the packs in dungeon slice even is?

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It is quite likely favouring outlaws target count

oak tangle
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all i know is that sudden demise is a godsend

keen spruce
slim hamlet
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Specially right now when it just procs for no reason

oak tangle
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and makes me not despair to do keys as sin

nova flax
slim hamlet
slate crown
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Can go look at a sample sequence, p sure it labels and numbers each mob per pack

keen spruce
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fuu did a long clarification on it yesterday i dunno the specifics

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like it has different number of mobs dying off and dfiferent speeds

slim hamlet
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Oh

keen spruce
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pull to pull

slate crown
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Yah

slim hamlet
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I thought it was just combined sims

oak tangle
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is it based off of any particular dungeon? or just someone threw some pack numbers in there

keen spruce
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so sometimes 5 then 3 then 0 in one pull

slim hamlet
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A few packs a few bosses

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I see

keen spruce
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idk the specifics tho

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memz you can customize it to a specific dungeon route

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with advanced tools

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that i know nothing about

strange python
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I think the writers really have to optimize a spec for the specific dungeon slice if they really want to get far into it.

keen spruce
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but default i think starts with a boss then just kinda does a mix and match of stuff

slim hamlet
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Yea a lot of specs doesnt work with dungeon slice

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like fire mages just never work

oak tangle
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yeah far too much variance in most peoples gameplay to have that feature even worth

slim hamlet
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probably others

keen spruce
slim hamlet
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It's just to see which gear is better

keen spruce
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and anyone is free to do that if they want that specific informatino

slim hamlet
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but people look at dungeonslice sims and make a tier list from it

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xdd

strange python
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Most people are quite content running like a 1 ST - a 5 Target - and like maybe a 10 Target (or whatever) - then choosing which to optimize for, etc.

keen spruce
slate crown
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Dslcie is useful for comparing a single spec’s variable options (gear, trinkets, talents) to each other in a variety of situations.

slim hamlet
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I would only run a multi target sim for a council boss

keen spruce
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but you're basically never going to fight 5 mobs for 5 minutes straight

molten galleon
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
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like all of the sims are only as good as the information you give them and they all have limitations

fleet pagoda
slim hamlet
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Sims are fake anyways

keen spruce
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you could setup specific fight timers and damage stops in a patchwerk too so you get a better number for a certain boss

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but at some point the value gained from that is kind of lost

slim hamlet
strange python
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Sims are probably better at comparing differences in a spec itself - as opposed to comparing unlike specs.

slate crown
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Yes

slate crown
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This is quite literally

slim hamlet
#

In dungeon slikce dont look at number, look at %

slate crown
#

Why whispyr nuked the sheet

fleet pagoda
oak tangle
#

fake sims? thought i was in hunter discord for a sec

keen spruce
slim hamlet
#

Still fake chart

#

99.99% are in middle

keen spruce
#

look i'm a low effort meme maker

#

i'm not scootin those number around

strange python
#

About the only thing I won't min/max (assuming I care that season) is my race. But I have in the past switched races for that little extra dps.

slim hamlet
#

I would never switch spec for dmg, but for their util racial I would

#

(prolly switching to dwarf)

oak tangle
#

this is how i pick gear, i sim 2 specs, and pick the best average between the 2

strange python
#

yeah that i would (if i loved the util racial) - but I kinda hate the look of some races.

#

Like I cannot STAND the way orcs walk

slim hamlet
#

Bro

#

I can't fucking wait to be an earthern

#

Dwarfs are gigachads

#

BIG DWARFS

#

holy

fleet pagoda
#

permanent stone form pepe_chad

plucky cargo
#

Are they large dworfs or normal size …?

slim hamlet
strange python
#

There gonna be a big questline to do to get it - or do we know anything about that?

slim hamlet
#

omega dworfs

oak tangle
#

finish the story

plucky cargo
#

Oh let’s fucking go

oak tangle
#

get horde dworfs

strange python
keen spruce
#

dwerfs PES_Bored

slim hamlet
#

oh they did?

oak tangle
#

they said they unlock after finishing the story

keen spruce
#

still no ogre, harpy, valkyr, but 3rd style of dwerf very important

slim hamlet
#

should be fast anyways

strange python
#

Any time I unlock an allied race or something - i get a race change, then end up hating it anyway

slim hamlet
dusk sun
#

is deadly poison the one we always use?

keen spruce
strange python
#

Zandalari Troll - look cool when you're looking at them - but I didn't like being one lol

keen spruce
#

reskinned troll

oak tangle
#

fun fact about trolls, they have a toe on the back of their feet

keen spruce
#

reskinned hooman

slim hamlet
strange python
#

I mean trolls kinda bend in the middle right - and zandalari don't? I kinda like that I guess.

#

If we had size sliders, I'd consider a regular troll

fleet pagoda
#

yeah that toenail on their heel gives me the jeebies

slim hamlet
#

If I could be dark iron dworf but horde I would've changed insta

strange python
#

I think humans should just be horde and alliance, honestly (not a lore follower)

oak tangle
#

i mean technically no more reason to be a horde

slim pebble
strange python
#

Yeah we seem to be doing fairly bad in bgs (from my experience so far)

keen spruce
#

no playable murloc, hozen, sethrak, ankoan

#

just more reskins

oak tangle
#

what would you do if they made playable ducks tho

slim hamlet
#

for the horde tho

keen spruce
#

i just want duck mount

#

playable duck on duck boss next raid

strange python
#

Also, in world pvp - the alliance seem much more responsive or something.

oak tangle
#

that's likely server based

slim hamlet
#

idk

#

no one cares about world pvp

#

not even world pvp'ers

keen spruce
#

i haven't even considered doing world pvp since BFA s1

#

but that shit was fun as hell on launch

strange python
#

lol yeah even the bloody coin farm was just 70 people aoeing eachother at the graveyard repeatedly for hours on end

slim hamlet
#

world pvp is only for quests or achievements or god forbid essences

keen spruce
#

i often forget thta pvp exists in this game

faint crescent
#

Ah nazjatar world pvp

strange python
#

I dunno, I'm a fan of the "end game zone" or whatever - being A) no flying and B) perm flagged for pvp

slim hamlet
#

U are alone on that one

strange python
#

Maybe in the minority, but certainly not alone hah

oak tangle
#

that would be an endgame zone i didn't enter

slim hamlet
#

I think it would be very hard to find someone else that would have both

#

I could see one or the other

strange python
#

We had xpacs with that though for the endgame zone but

#

that was back when PVP server was actually a pvp server

oak tangle
#

i mean it kinda was war mode on maw

royal lantern
oak tangle
#

and there was just a graveyard outside the safe zone

slim hamlet
#

Argus was cool

#

forced pvp tho

strange python
#

lol i dont watch that rager

feral crest
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dreamy elk
#

In every shadow dance, you're always looking to refresh rupture and garrote no matter what their durations are? Thinking more for the non-deathmark/vanish windows.

slate crown
#

Yes. Always refresh them in dance, every dance

median owl
#

What makes assa have good execute damage?

dreamy elk
#

Zoldyck talent.

timber meadow
#

can you live log a training dummy?

balmy condor
#

Should be able to

unreal elbow
#

Hey Whispyr, quick question, in your modified wa pack, what is the blue glow around garrote, rupture, can't figure it out

royal lantern
#

empowered dots

#

imrpoved garrote/nightstalker etc.......

#

aka dots you let run out

unreal elbow
#

ah so basically ones cast from stealth/during dance

timber meadow
#

also, anyone know how to address this error when tryna delete a log via warcraftlogs ui? "EBUSY: resource busy or locked, unlink '--filename--'

royal lantern
#

the Ebusy

dark token
#

close the game

keen spruce
#

@timber meadow someone mentioned issues with live logging dummies a couple of days ago. probably less headache to just manually upload

#

not sure if that was isolated or a general issue ApuShrug

dreamy elk
#

Our best 2 minute on-use trinkets are witherbark's and ashes? Are the ashes' buff already in play or still TBD?

timber meadow
balmy condor
#

It won’t be better than branch

#

Cause that shit is crazy

dreamy elk
#

K, that was my next Q.

dark token
#

using ashes + branch seems weird

balmy condor
#

But its not bad

dark token
#

do you use one on kingsbanes and one on DM

balmy condor
#

Well

#

You wouldn’t run both

#

So

royal lantern
#

pls no double active again

dark token
#

yeah thats what i figured

royal lantern
storm forum
#

Branch on pull and kite it around until the second trinket comes up

royal lantern
#

shut up

#

shut up

storm forum
#

It would be so fucked

lucid rain
balmy condor
storm forum
#

Thank god

dark token
#

they refresh when u pick up an orb no?

#

so you can kite it out for 30s?

willow grotto
#

Hello, this dagger doesn't sim correctly on raidbot

dark token
#

whats the english name or item id

willow grotto
#

i have 437 dagger on when i sim her in 450 is not better of my 437

icy acorn
#

during kingsbane, do you use the second shiv even at full cp? same for vanish?

gaunt sigil
#

You should be making sure you spend before you need to shiv and vanish

#

Try to avoid that conflict all together

icy acorn
#

so even at below 4cp

gaunt sigil
#

That’s what I do yeah

sharp falcon
#

me looking at Assassin sims:

radiant quail
#

if u are below 4cp then using shiv should be fine

gaunt sigil
#

But if I’m not at 4cp, shiv puts me at 5 so

willow grotto
icy acorn
#

i mean, if im below 4cp before the shiv cast, i would use mutilate/ambush, putting me at 4+cp

#

and then shiv would need to be reset

dreamy elk
#

Dude, I have to say that new sin feels so insane to play on ST. I love the 2 minute heavy burst and 1 minute mini-burst windows. It's dope.

gaunt sigil
#

No, you’d use shiv to put you at 4+

fallow acorn
sharp falcon
#

please do not point out the potential hypocrisy that sims being a bit low could have something to do with bugs i might be responsible for

#

@radiant quail GTFOOBBG

willow grotto
# fallow acorn

on raidbot he sim not high, i think is bugged but this dagger look good

slim pebble
#

I think

woeful iris
willow grotto
radiant quail
sharp falcon
#

your avatar/profile icon

candid geyser
sharp falcon
radiant quail
#

i see LOLW

runic hinge
#

Realz is on one early af today kekdog

balmy condor
#

True

#

There is nothing I do more

#

Than provide bagged sand

sharp falcon
#

i have awoken to many a text from a friend telling me, "GTFOOBBG"

balmy condor
#

I help the people stuck in hurricane areas

earnest remnant
#

stop sandbaggin

radiant quail
#

its a classic

balmy condor
#

Do we want to deny the people of the American south their hard earned sand?

hexed willow
earnest remnant
#

honestly shouldve just taken the piss

#

and put outlaw in swamp

slim pebble
keen spruce
#

"capped AoE, obviously swamp ass"

willow grotto
#

no nned sim 😄

clever niche
#

with the DTB change to your 2nd lethal/non-lethal poision being applied less is there an optimal order to apply (i.e. deadly first or amplifying first)?

subtle kiln
hexed willow
keen spruce
#

I was replyin to stealthi

dark token
sharp falcon
#

clearly

#

undeniable

dark token
#

i feel value in raid is better than sim due to externals and burst dmg profiles being good

hexed willow
#

@sharp falcon what’s your favorite non-rogue spec?

sharp falcon
#

intentional and with ill-intent

#

shadow

hexed willow
#

Ooof

sharp falcon
#

not playing this tier tho

#

or this expansion at all yet

#

played it a lot in SL

hexed willow
#

Aw how come?

#

Are you not allowed to have fun in the sun

sharp falcon
#

in BFA i played priest too but mostly heal specs

keen spruce
#

too busy fixing whispyr's bags of sand

sharp falcon
#

idk what u mean

#

just doing diff shit

keen spruce
#

what games you been playin?

sharp falcon
#

in legion i played a lot of spriest, holy priest, frost dk, blood dk - that was the last time i raided mythic progression

subtle kiln
#

gonna play the DH again?

cerulean nest
#

is there anyone on the team that pushes mythic hard?

slim hamlet
#

I could never go back to playing "casual" after mythic progression

sharp falcon
#

bfa i mostly tanked and healed, pally dk priest, but also pvp'd on rogue a bit

slim hamlet
#

It would just not feel right, the minmaxing is a part of me

fallow acorn
#

min/max pet battles

slim hamlet
#

I did that in BFA

balmy condor
#

I was born into the sand

slim hamlet
#

was good

hard river
#

bfa outlaw the goat

keen plaza
#

How much dmg should i do with KB right now? (442)

cerulean nest
#

7

gilded oasis
#

more than 12

slim pebble
#

More than 69

proven jasper
#

♾️

lucid rain
#

sim it with buffs turned off

lucid rain
#

compare to your own gameplay

slim hamlet
#

Dragging us into the sand of bags

sharp falcon
#

SL did a lot of pvp on priest, pally, rogue all specs - pally tank mostly for heroic raid - and didn't do a ton of M+ but usually tanking on pally when i did

slim hamlet
#

Rogue pvp in SL was also sick

latent copper
#

When do you swap to new talents? Now, after 2piece or 4 piece?

slim hamlet
#

unironically

#

totally not because it was op

subtle kiln
candid geyser
sharp falcon
#

since legion was last time i spent much time dps'ing, esp on melee, esp in dungeons - that's my plan for 10.2, dps in M+ and occasionally tank if i feel like it

slim hamlet
latent copper
lucid rain
#

you couldn't flip the glasses?

slim hamlet
#

smh not taking the quick photoshop meme seriously

nova flax
#

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

balmy condor
candid geyser
#

It’s better when they’re not flipped. The complete lack of fine details is what makes it great.

slow needle
#

If you feel like it.

sharp falcon
#

dh and rogue to start and when i have time probably will get ret pal and dk up to speed, MAYBE try one new melee if i feel up to it (never played surv hunter for example)

tardy blade
#

Realz out here like

slim hamlet
#

I needed that gif

sharp falcon
slim hamlet
#

and I didn't even know it

slow needle
balmy condor
earnest remnant
slim hamlet
#

Only thing fun is what deals the most dmg pepe_chad

tardy blade
sharp falcon
#

yeah i want to learn more about hunter generally. I've made a few pvp talents for them but that's it and i want to get up to speed about their talents and gameplay more recently... no reason

gilded oasis
#

realz confirmed new hunter dev

dark token
slim hamlet
#

We are losing Realz to the hunter confirmed

dark token
#

sometimes it kills things and sometimes it doesnt

slow needle
#

Wait, @earnest remnant has a name which doesn't obfuscate who he is?

slim hamlet
#

cool words smart man

earnest remnant
#

im gonna pretend i have any idea what that word is

sharp falcon
slim hamlet
#

"obfuscate" is surely a word I believe you

balmy condor
#

It’s a good word

slim hamlet
#

at least in open world stuff

slow needle
candid geyser
#

Whispyr likes to obfuscate the true output of assassination sims.

slow needle
#

Until we both joined the Boots fan club.

dark token
sharp falcon
#

well they have low hp, i could imagine that being true if u put a lot of dots on shit that still have a lot of time left

tardy blade
dark token
#

ive definitely not executed stuff in dungeons

sharp falcon
dark token
#

i should shadowplay/log

balmy condor
earnest remnant
slim hamlet
balmy condor
#

Being able to post up sims publicly for everyone and no one can point to what’s wrong with them

#

That’s my real talent

tardy blade
slim hamlet
#

Like in open world it basically always just insta triggers at 35% even if no kill yea

dark token
#

why does catalysted 450 tier looks so ugly

#

shouldnt it look like mythic tier

keen spruce
#

it's lfr transmog

slow needle
#

Not sure I agree with languages claiming "longest word" stuff when they're just removing the spaces from a sentence.

balmy condor
#

^

slow needle
#

To make a full word.

#

See, even Whispyr agrees with me.

balmy condor
#

Veteran gear is the new LFR track

#

So you get LFR tier

dark token
slim hamlet
sharp falcon
dark token
#

didnt realize lfr tier was like that

slow needle
slim hamlet
#

Indeed

dark token
#

the enemy linearly decreases in hp over the course of the encounter time iirc

balmy condor
#

There are ways to make mobs with flat health values but there’s some obvious issues with that approach

#

So everything is time based

true basalt
#

Whats the usual api for a sin rogue? Idk how to look for it , and i cant record it myself bcs im a bad sin

sharp falcon
#

so regardless of 'damage dealt', the presumed mob hp fades equally from 100-0 on smth like a 5min patchwerk sim

balmy condor
#

Dungeonslice mobs for example spawn in a wave of 5, and they last 20 seconds or whatever, with a variance causing them to die staggered

dark token
#

so anything in the last 35% of time in the patchwerk sim is in execute :)

sharp falcon
#

if anything, that would cause execute classes to sim higher than they would do in the real world lol

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

oh he answered

#

Wouldn't a linear scaling of health be favourable for execute classes since they are in the execute more than they usually would yea?

midnight mist
#

is it linear ?

keen spruce
#

if it's linear then that would be my conclusion too

midnight mist
#

i always tought it was supposed to kinda simulate how it was doing in real scenario

#

going down more at the start with lust and shit

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

I think there’s some estimates for that yeah

slim hamlet
#

Hard to estimate tbf

balmy condor
#

But it’s pretty much linear

slim hamlet
#

Entirely depends on your other classes

#

19 warriors well then the execute aint gonna be long

dark token
#

I also feel like maybe sin sim is accurate and outlaw/sub are much harder to play so their raid performance doesn't match their 10-15k sim gap to assa

#

Or it could just be external diff

slim hamlet
#

huh

#

We are not comparing anything

subtle kiln
#

sub living off WFT again 🙈

slim hamlet
#

Would rather live off wft than PI

dark token
#

Realz was talking about "sandbag" sims presumably because assa is doing much better than it's sim would indicate this week in raid

slim hamlet
#

Well he said sims favour sin

#

not other way around

#

Which makes sense if it was fully linear

sharp falcon
slim hamlet
#

People been calling Whispyr a sandbagger a lot yea

#

or well not directly whispyr but "sin sims are sandbagging so hard"

dark token
#

Fair enough, we had a lot of people complain here about low assa sims this week compared to last

slim hamlet
#

is common

subtle kiln
#

“no way assa sims that low after a rework”

dark token
#

But as far as I can tell performance is better in raid and m+

sharp falcon
#

but yes, there's at least a couple bugs, that are incorporated into sims, and that make sin sims look worse than what reality should be if fixed

slim hamlet
#

our aoe is much much much better in m+ than dungeon slice indicates

#

for sure

subtle kiln
dark token
#

We don't even have that 2pc yet

slim hamlet
#

We are talking current live

dark token
#

So current sims don't have that bug if ur simming with t30 tier

sharp falcon
#

yeah 4pc is uncomfortably good aoe tbh, in any circumstance where bomb and caustic can hit all targets (mostly m+)

slim hamlet
#

Can't wait for sin m+ god comp copium copium copium

sharp falcon
#

what if

subtle tundra
slim hamlet
#

what if indeed

subtle tundra
#

come on, spit another joke

burnt venture
#

It feels so good for sin to actually be doing great AoE for once

silver verge
#

when simming for m+, we use Dungeon slice?

sharp falcon
#

the odds are probably low, but what if

subtle kiln
#

what if mages and priests didn’t exist.

slim hamlet
#

Hey u never know

#

on live we are pumping packs in m+

runic hinge
indigo mulch
#

Its not just low, there is no way sin will be meta in m+ 😄

subtle tundra
slim hamlet
#

ST still a bit rough but much better than before

dark token
#

I'm very happy with the spot sin is in currently, I think if 2pc bug is not fixed we will drop a bit but when fixed we will keep up

slim hamlet
#

Confirmed Realz is giving us 50% aura buff if sin is not m+ meta

#

heard it here first

subtle kiln
storm forum
#

I cannot believe real Realz is coping with us

subtle tundra
dark token
#

It's actually way better in keys than I thought

slim hamlet
#

is bro looking at dungeon slice sim numbers?

dark token
#

I was baited by dslice sims

#

Sandbag for sure

subtle tundra
slim hamlet
#

Oh

midnight mist
slim hamlet
#

so the prerework and even pre talent tree

#

I see

subtle tundra
#

sure bud, cope with assa being meta when outlaw and sub lose 5% st dps by going full aoe

indigo mulch
#

I mean.. even if sims are high/low in dslice. It does not mean that your class is great in m+ D:

slim hamlet
#

This is the season

#

I believe

dark token
#

So I wouldn't mind if assa got a turn

cerulean nest
#

why is he edging us like this

dark token
#

It's been a while

slim hamlet
#

Anyone knows how much lethal dose bug is in dungeon slice

#

Guessing it is heavier in m+ than st

past forum
indigo mulch
#

I don't know why people wants to be "meta" so bad o_O Why is that a thing? The "meta-god-comp" only matters if you really push super duper high keys. :S

subtle kiln
#

assa will be meta if dratnos and tettles can say funnel every 30 seconds on a cast

haughty flicker
#

dude said what if and just bailed

#

hes cookin hard

bright cipher
# runic hinge

Hush now, hide, all you little ones
Rush now, into the middle of nowhere
Singing and laughter will die

subtle tundra
sharp falcon
past forum
slim hamlet
#

oh

subtle kiln
slim hamlet
#

Would expect it to be more considering CT does a lot

indigo mulch
slim hamlet
#

I know it's only like 1400dps in st

strange python
dark token
#

They be working the best they can, we just know it will be fixed eventually

slim hamlet
#

I believe

dark token
#

Which is all we can ask for lol

sharp falcon
strange python
sharp falcon
#

who knows

bright cipher
# slim hamlet oh

Its a music from a cartoon, i just couldn't resist after seeing the meme going "hush now"

subtle tundra
royal lantern
#

why not press big red "fix bug" button

#

smh my head

dark token
sharp falcon
#

must have misplaced it

slim hamlet
#

Just use demon hunter detect or whatever its called

indigo mulch
#

Isent the 2p even bigger though? the 2p bug is like 5% ish or something

#

Than the lethal dose one

slim hamlet
#

I just hope we didn't get jebaited by the leeching poison possible fix PogO

subtle kiln
storm forum
#

I'm getting jebaited by literally anything

slim hamlet
#

That scared me

storm forum
#

What adorable little murder machines

slim hamlet
#

^

dark token
#

Here's the play, aura buff sin week 1 by 5% then revert when bugfix

haughty flicker
#

i was under the impression that realz had a big staples button on his desk and he just refused to press it out of spite

slim hamlet
subtle kiln
#

puppy velociraptor and 2year old happy to oblige

granite sentinel
#

Why sin undersimming so hard

slim hamlet
#

Here we go

proven jasper
#

we suck worse spec

#

That’s why

dark token
#

Or 20%, outlaw sooo much higher

proven jasper
#

go play outlaw

granite sentinel
#

No fucc that

slim hamlet
#

Thats the easy option

royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

but nothing in life is easy

subtle kiln
slim hamlet
indigo mulch
#

No dooming needed tho 😄

sharp falcon
storm forum
#

The ghost of exs_uwu is haunting blizzard hq and is causing bugs for their transgressions

slim hamlet