assassination

[indigo mulch]

Something keeps bringing me out of stealth in raid, i'm not sure what it is

but its extremly annoying

D;

[gusty mirage]

happening sometimes to me in the open world too

[slim hamlet]

Same

[indigo mulch]

like its constatly D:

[slim hamlet]

Another bug to add to the book

[storm forum]

Happened to me in a bunch in m+ last night

[gusty mirage]

at this point we're up to an entire ant colony of bugs

[slim hamlet]

There is only 3-4 big ones tho

[indigo mulch]

Fix 2p pls

[storm forum]

We wanted smart targeting IC, and now the monkey's paw closes around our necks

[slim hamlet]

2pc, lethal dose, sudden demise and stealth bug

[indigo mulch]

So it can look good on simc's website.

[slim hamlet]

stealth bugs are the worst possible ones

[royal lantern]

harder

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[royal lantern]

what

[topaz echo]

HUH

[gusty mirage]

hope you're having a beautiful friday my friend ❤️

[slim hamlet]

[indigo mulch]

[storm forum]

I'm with tyran on this one

[royal lantern]

the voices are winning once again

[slim hamlet]

"beautiful friday" in winter in Denmark

not happening

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

The voices stay winning

[gusty mirage]

are you even a rogue main without the voices?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jurajscyrycerze-jurajscy-rycerze-aluron-cmc-gif-19302658

[storm forum]

Like a mid 2010s talkshow host off their meds

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm forum]

Do you think we scare away people who potentially wanna play rogue/assa?

[slim hamlet]

100%

not a question

[royal lantern]

thats why the :3 channel is a thing

one :3 a day keeps the voices at bay

[storm forum]

Sorry

[royal lantern]

[burnt venture]

I hope so

[slim hamlet]

wait

[storm forum]

[slim hamlet]

a :3 channel exists?

[burnt venture]

Fuck them FotM’ers. Let em roll Boomy

Or Havoc

[storm forum]

What about the new players?

[slim hamlet]

Roll deez nuts buddy

[burnt venture]

Let new players play hunters

[gusty mirage]

nah outlaw's too strong, but people will avoid assassination

it sims too low for people to want to play it

[slim hamlet]

There are too many hunters

[burnt venture]

And watch them immediately regret their decision as they lie dead in a M+ key

[storm forum]

I don't think I'd want anyone to need to deal with pet bugs

Last night my friend lost his pet for half a dungeon

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

the pet bugs are always the best

like BM hunters having to resummon their pets on Rasz

for intermission

or on jailer when their pets would go up with the LOS pillars

and just float in the air for the rest of the pull

[slim hamlet]

Remember

[storm forum]

[burnt venture]

I member

[slim hamlet]

it is a non-final feature

not a bug

[burnt venture]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

[indigo mulch]

Funny part, if we sim as much as fuu's spreadsheet tells us that we do

we're still pretty far up there lmao

[slim hamlet]

yea but no one is fotm rolling to mid tier

[indigo mulch]

its not even mid tier tho

[slim hamlet]

it is

below mid

[indigo mulch]

?

[gusty mirage]

the funnier part is assassination is the best PI target that does damage (get fucked uhdk kek) and syncs amazingly well with augvoker, and gets 3rd most damage from WFT

[storm forum]

Oof, more sims came out since I last checked

[slim hamlet]

also

wtf is sub wft dmg

legit better than PI

insane

[indigo mulch]

Now go look at fuu's sim

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

casual 13.5k

nothing to see here

[slim hamlet]

Actually insanety

[burnt venture]

No shot UHDK is that low wtf?

[gusty mirage]

uhdk is straight doo doo rn

[burnt venture]

Those sandbagging fuckers

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait for all enhance shamans to copy paste m+ build with no wft from raid with a sin and sub rogue in their team

[gusty mirage]

them and WW are just awful

lmao

granted that's without the legendary

[slim hamlet]

Not having wft as baseline m+ is so troll by wowhead writer ngl

[gusty mirage]

so even if the legendary gives them 20k dps they're still mid af

[slim hamlet]

why is fuu's 10k ahead

[gusty mirage]

why is fuu's what 10k ahead

[storm forum]

Fuu is built diff or something

[slim hamlet]

sim

yesterday it was same

[storm forum]

Just a better rogue robot

[gusty mirage]

for which spec

[slim hamlet]

sin

I swear it was same yesterday

[gusty mirage]

the one on simc's website is just the profiles ran through default everything

[indigo mulch]

He uses proper gear.

The simc website use spoarcloak for example

[slim hamlet]

Wouldn't that be the same for every spec then

then u cant compare fuu's to the other simcraft ones

[storm forum]

Simc's site is looking out for us, sandbagging so we don't get nerfed again

[indigo mulch]

thats why simc's website is unreliable. 😄

[slim hamlet]

smart

[gusty mirage]

I'm not

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to get gutted next week because preweek sims with 10.1 everything is booming

because of PI for example

[slim hamlet]

not u

[gusty mirage]

idk if assassination will get gutted

outlaw for sure should be nervous

and havoc

[storm forum]

My guild is going to PI the OL rogue instead of me 🥲

[slim hamlet]

BUT OXI

[earnest remnant]

yep

[slim hamlet]

THEY ARE ONLY MID TIER ON 2 DAYS WARCRAFTLOGS

[earnest remnant]

Assa is good but not outlaw good

[slim hamlet]

THEY NEED BUFFS

[gusty mirage]

...

huh

[indigo mulch]

I mean the only reason why we sandbag the sims is because of bugs lol

[slim hamlet]

you should leave that guild

[gusty mirage]

what the fuck did I just read

[slim hamlet]

right now and get a new guild before raid starts

[burnt venture]

This is troll AF

[earnest remnant]

but also sims, doesent reflect actual performance data

[gusty mirage]

GOOD CALL ON YOUR RL'S PART

BTW

[burnt venture]

No shot they would do that

[earnest remnant]

so ehh

[lucid rain]

LOL

[slim hamlet]

Oxi did u not see someone saying they PI'd sub and outlaw rogue over demo lock because their demo lock wasn't good

[indigo mulch]

Oh god..

[gusty mirage]

also outlaw doesn't get dick from augvoker

[storm forum]

No, it's funny af, I was making this presentation and the OL rogue sent a funny gif so now they get it.

[slim hamlet]

How do you end up with PI'ing sub as your best option

[gusty mirage]

idk I've gotten PIs in keys because the mage was dogshit

[earnest remnant]

well they do get shafted

[gusty mirage]

wild times

[slim hamlet]

in raid

[midnight mist]

Based

[slim hamlet]

u got so many options

[gusty mirage]

I had a priest who PI'd me on rasz intermission

[royal lantern]

go Microwave some pi zac

[gusty mirage]

while I was playing sub

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

(:

PI very useful in aoe

I was blessed for those PIs ig

[slim hamlet]

Zac could sense an outlaw message

[gusty mirage]

zac is tired to cleaning up the drool in outlaw

so he wandersinto the other spec channels

[slim hamlet]

smart man

[midnight mist]

Ye

[royal lantern]

our brainvomit is better righ

[midnight mist]

Actually true

[gusty mirage]

I swear if solo and zac quit wow, the average IQ in outlaw would plummet dangerously close to single digits

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr should try that sometimes

[midnight mist]

Outlaw is legit spamming the same message every 4 message

[slim hamlet]

Surely sub is good right?

[midnight mist]

I'm getting tilted

[storm forum]

You can't say we have brain vomit if we can spell it correctly

[royal lantern]

whats happening on the yahtzee pirate side

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[midnight mist]

I hate being fotm

Can't wait for outlaw to get nerfed

[slim hamlet]

Time to speed dial Realz for a nerf

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[midnight mist]

Too many new players

[gusty mirage]

dw the balance team will see a yellow spec as a top performer

and absolutely ass blast it

[midnight mist]

And they don't want to read the pins

[burnt venture]

Don’t worry Zac, come Tuesday reset we no longer FotM

[royal lantern]

im typing on phone with half frozen fingers, i dont give a fuck about typos man

[gusty mirage]

it's just wow lore at this point

[slim hamlet]

Just gonna nerf the 2 other specs too just to be sure

[royal lantern]

CLASSIC

[gusty mirage]

rogue good? Y/N? - If Y - NERF INTO GROUND

[slim hamlet]

IF N - NERF INTO THE GROUND

[midnight mist]

oxi I had an idea last time

[gusty mirage]

also if Y - BUFF OTHER SPECS BEYOND WHAT ROGUE EVER SIMMED AT

[midnight mist]

tell me what you think about it

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

zac plays wow for not even 2 expansions and allready has enough from fotm bigbrains

[gusty mirage]

do we ban everyone that isn't green name or higher?

because I like it already

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

yes

[slate crown]

[burnt venture]

Ban everyone who joined discord in last 8 months

[gusty mirage]

you're the first to go bucko

[burnt venture]

GG

[midnight mist]

new joiners in the discord cant talk for 1 full month, they also have to answer a quizz on each faq, and we ask them to write an essay about what they understood about the class

if they cant they get banned

[glossy imp]

How about we eat the green names or high her?

[slim hamlet]

What have I ever done?

[glossy imp]

Normies rise up

[gusty mirage]

if you put me out of my misery, you can have my orange

[slate crown]

No essay I get writing anxiety and cry

[earnest remnant]

we just gotta start dishing out these

[slate crown]

Just give me a math quiz or something

[slate crown]

pls just don't make me write

[storm forum]

!pins

[gusty mirage]

1 month might be a little excessive, but I'm also not particularly against the idea

[storm forum]

!pin

!pinned

[slim hamlet]

Could do with a phone number needed like monk discord has

to write

unironically

[storm forum]

We need a command that prints this out

[royal lantern]

wait what

[midnight mist]

nah idk seems fine to me, I would do an entire tier so we really make sure to only keep people that are here to stay instead of fotm

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure all 18 monk players are distraught over that decision

[royal lantern]

fotm rollers are the worst

[slim hamlet]

How about

u can't talk if u have the outlaw role

[gusty mirage]

I've started lifting heavy items and putting them back down, it's kept me from just putting assassination in a 60 minute slowmode at times

[burnt venture]

No cuz then people wouldn’t select OL role lol

[royal lantern]

even more when its so obviois that they are some heroic/2,9k andy that thinks they cant go higher because of race or spec

[slim hamlet]

lift these heavy items buddy

[gusty mirage]

WEIRD

[midnight mist]

I cant lift anything I have small arms

[slim hamlet]

🌰 🌰

[slim hamlet]

That aint a role

that's an icon

bozo

[gusty mirage]

oh it sure as fuck is buddy

[burnt venture]

🤣🤣

[slim hamlet]

😠

[burnt venture]

Admin powers

[royal lantern]

rip aurorha

[burnt venture]

EZ game lol

[slim hamlet]

THE outlaw role then

[gusty mirage]

I will not mute zac

[slim hamlet]

His own fault

fr

[gusty mirage]

zac and solo are literally two of the best people we have

how dare you

outlaw would be warlock tier TCing if it wasn't for their hard work

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[royal lantern]

what ablut guy?

[slim hamlet]

Warlock tier is better than hunter tier no?

[gusty mirage]

absolutely not

[storm forum]

Wait is guy still alive?

[slim hamlet]

That's the point

[gusty mirage]

guy doesn't do much APL work

he contributes to TCing in other ways

[elfin forge]

Sorry for a stupid question. Does Subterfuge enable Nightstalker? Like if out of stealth you go, Garrote > Rupture, does rupture get the 10% snapshot like it does in Shadow Dance?

[royal lantern]

man, i have some respect for guy, he keeps them containted in some way

[gusty mirage]

yeppers it does, and it's not a stupid question

[earnest remnant]

he is like me but for outlaw

im to dumb for apl

[slim hamlet]

Gotta have the guy all the bozos write GIGACHAD in chat when he joins fr

[royal lantern]

and guy really loves the game/outlaw, which is based af

[slim hamlet]

Podcasts are carried by guy yapping for an hour

[gusty mirage]

I never understood how strong his mental is until I walked into outlaw in 10.0.5

[midnight mist]

guy got a cool voice

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

this was me

[midnight mist]

he can stay the outlaw voice forever if he wants to

[royal lantern]

we meme on him, but legit nerves of steal

nobody can stay THAT sane in that channel for long

[gusty mirage]

those crazy mfers in outlaw make solo have to take a long break every 6 months

which reminds me

if yall give solo or zac a hard time

[midnight mist]

thanks dad

[elfin forge]

So why does the opener on the WoWhead say Garrote > Slice > Ambush (Subterfuge fades) > Rupture? Shouldn't it be Garrote > Rupture > Ambush > Slice?

[royal lantern]

hey, zac is cool

[slim hamlet]

I have never not given zac a hard time when I join outlaw

[storm forum]

Wtf

[slim hamlet]

[storm forum]

Why are y'all so nice to your tc'ers

[gusty mirage]

so you want to get SnD up as soon as possible, and you want a rupture (even non-empowered) up for Deathmark

[earnest remnant]

only L zac has is his food making skills, but god damn is it horrible

[slate crown]

Also, if following the opener you will be re-rupturing very shortly as you deathmark, which will be empowered

[storm forum]

Now I feel like an ahole for trying to drive Whispyr insane for the past like 5 years

[slim hamlet]

u are using a rupture in dance right after anyways

u only use rupture there so the dance one is max length

[midnight mist]

im just too ahead of my time

[gusty mirage]

yeah you'll end up refreshing it in dance

[royal lantern]

we do that without intention allready

[gusty mirage]

to snapshot nightstalker

[slim hamlet]

We will all be eating resident evil food in the future

just getting used to it

[elfin forge]

@gusty mirage but rupturing as 2nd global basically gives like what? over 5 more epowered ticks of rupture? Then Deathmark has an empowered rupture the entire time. Slicing 2 globals later seems waay better

[slim pebble]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight mist]

yep

in 20 years when you all dont know how to cook a steak with a microwave

and there is nothing else

[slim hamlet]

nah

[midnight mist]

I wont help

[slim hamlet]

not a steak in a microwave

surely not

[storm forum]

Auto attacks strong

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-sad-flaque-alone-gif-13147324

zac cooking

[eternal ferry]

hey guys, is someone using whispyrs 10.2 ptr Weakauras? Caustik splatter is not showing, just want to check if its a general problem or just me

[royal lantern]

get afenars wa, then whisps pack

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

? Why get both?

[royal lantern]

should work them

[eternal heath]

Thought it was funny seeing this after Whispyrs discussion yesterday lol

[royal lantern]

idk, some had that Problem

and was solved that way

[slate crown]

:hrmm

[royal lantern]

just repating what other said

[lucid rain]

my man went dummy hard for an augment rune

[slim hamlet]

people were 20 day one

people are insane

[earnest remnant]

its such a small thing you wont notice it in sims as in it doesent matter. you can do openers in 100 different ways and all of them be within variance, it has so little an impact on dps

[storm forum]

Ngl, that has to be a good streaming farm. Just click seeds and talk to chat

[eternal heath]

Oh yeah for sure

Especially if you have drops

[royal lantern]

dont you need, well, seeds

and harvest them for the rep aswell?

[storm forum]

I have like 100 seeds

[eternal heath]

I think he said just contribute minimum dew

[storm forum]

And haven't even finished doing all the side quests and dailies

[eternal ferry]

now they overlap 😄

[storm forum]

You just put in 5 dew

[elfin forge]

I've been testing Rupturing 2nd and 4th global and rupturing 2nd global just flows nicer to me. Only a benefit if its also a dps increase lols

[burnt venture]

That you can buy on AH lmfao

[royal lantern]

and it gives rep when they finish?

[slim hamlet]

Those seeds disappear faster than u expect

[thorny dagger]

I just finished working on a weakauras for helping me with the rotation and I gotta say I never had that much fun with a class

[storm forum]

I think so, I got rep from a purple seed when I didn't have one

[thorny dagger]

Assassination is bangers

[storm forum]

But I usually contribute a seed to the blue/green ones cause I have a ton

[slim hamlet]

yes u dont need seed to get rep

[storm forum]

Maybe if I was hard farming seeds they'd go fast

But I just do like 1 between quests or like 10 herb nodes or whatever

[slim hamlet]

100 is like 1-2 hours if u minmax seeds

5 if not

[eternal heath]

So for us gamers that are behind, what's the best bet for flightstones atm? DOTI heroic queue got nerfed but wondering if that is still best

[slim hamlet]

idk what u would use it on until next week

i am just sitting on 2k

[eternal heath]

I skipped S2 on my rogue

So just catching up

[eternal ferry]

still not working even after downloading afenar first, so ill ask again if someone had the same problem and knows a fix:

hey guys, is someone using whispyrs 10.2 ptr Weakauras? Caustik splatter is not showing, just want to check if its a general problem or just me

[earnest remnant]

its basically 4 ticks of an empowered rupture vs an ambush, pretty sure the ambush does more dmg over those 9 sec than 10% on rupture

[storm forum]

Do old world quests still give flightstones?

[slim hamlet]

10% rupture rly aint a big deal

if it's only for abit of it

[slim hamlet]

Wouldn't be suprised considering u can do them for 10.2 whelp crests

[elfin forge]

but my approach also means the entire duration of Deathmark, we have an empowererd Rupture

so the duplicated rupture also gets the 10%

[slim hamlet]

10% rupture still aint a big deal

[slim hamlet]

When are u using snd

[elfin forge]

Garrote > Rupture > Ambush > Slice

So ambush also gets the Subterfuge benefits

Same 4 globals, in a different order. Seems better to me to cover the entire deathmark with an empowered rupture

[earnest remnant]

but like i said the difference of 4-5 globals over 5min sim has little to 0 impact

[slim hamlet]

idk u would miss some pandemic on rupture in dance with that

[slim hamlet]

also this

[dull cloak]

how good is that neck with the well-fed mastery proc

[elfin forge]

I just wanted to bring it up as a discussion point. It seemed better to me, so I wanted to test this idea with you guys, to see if it withstood scrutiny.

[slim hamlet]

30 ilvls lower than 10.2 gear

so

[slim hamlet]

also it has a lot less secondary stats

[earnest remnant]

keep an eye out for when whispyr shows up again, and bring it up to him, he knows more than i do about assa

[elfin forge]

It seems less of a "miss' and more of a changing the location of the emporered rupture. Imagine i miss 6 seconds of rupture snapshot later in the deathmark, so some of the rupture that continues after Deathmark, last less time. I'd argue placing those 6 seconds that my variant does, INSIDE deathmark is more value due to the duplication. I'm moving that 6 seconds into the rupture duplication window.

[slim hamlet]

yea true

[thin radish]

is it just me or is it kinda hard to get that rupture within the shadow dance window in the opener?

I seem to be missing the window by a split second

[lucid rain]

pop shadow dance at the end of the preceding gcd

[slim hamlet]

shouldnt matter

[river ember]

Haven’t been in here much since patch drop. Where did we leave the talk on embellishments. I know there were arguments to be made for several since they are all dogshit.

Trying to plan my crafts out

[fair ingot]

overall toxic boots + patch is a solid option
blue silken if you can get a higher uptime or in m+ is also good (i think for purely m+ double silken would be best iirc)

[slim hamlet]

u get 6 casts off no matter what

[slim hamlet]

Shouldn't be a problem since u got 6 casts with shadow dance and your rupture will at the latest be your 6th cast

[thin radish]

i guess i just gotta mash faster

no probs, thanks!

[slim hamlet]

should only be a problem if u don't finish the first envenom on 4+

Nvm u will always have 5 minimum on that envenom

[vale mortar]

Can someone tell me please what is this wa?

it shows garrote mutiliate or rupture

[rare jackal]

pooling helper i think

[slim hamlet]

think so too

[thin radish]

Is it possible to get the last 3 ticks of kingsbane to crit if vanishing at the right time? Or is it generally safer to secure the last 2 ticks of kb to crit

[slim hamlet]

KB ticks every 2 seconds

So can only get 2

[thin radish]

oh i see

okay thanks

[sudden crane]

Check the wowhead guid and don’t see a pin about it on here. So just double checking before I use my spark, toxic boots still the bis embellishment?

[glacial shuttle]

So far

[sudden crane]

Hmmm probably hold till reset then no harm

[slim hamlet]

probably no reason to craft yet

[sudden crane]

I feel like something is going to pop up lol

[slim hamlet]

considering they randomly buff and nerf stuff still

[sudden crane]

Yeah rip the spore cloak I made 2 days before nerf lol

[elfin forge]

After the sporecloak nuke Blizz pulled, I'm definitely going to try to wait as long as possible before spending sparks.

[sudden crane]

Thanks wanted to make sure there wasn’t something brewing that I missed but feels safest just to wait till reset to see what happens

[merry raven]

how much leeway does something like deathmark have when effects end at the same time? like if we're supposed to dm, shiv, sd+kb, dm and kb should end at exactly the same time but i'm human so there's probably going to be some ms delay right

[sudden crane]

If all the embellishments are meh might just try to a big ilevel dagger with it

[slim hamlet]

ideally u wanna get Nick of Time from dungeons

so kinda a waste unless u are not gonna grind it

[sudden crane]

True didn’t think about that well guess the spark really is up for grabs then lol

[inner yoke]

Can someone recommened me something like a simply weak aura, that only shows the dot's on all enemies without the usual getting a second "weak aura skill bar"?

[slim hamlet]

so plater?

[elfin forge]

I found this specific spot on the opener extremely consistent. I have a macro that does Dance and KB together. So I just press DM > Shiv > KB+Dance Macro in order on each global and they line up everytime. You mention leeway, how does this 3 global section play out for you?

[inner yoke]

I tried plater, but I have no idea how to configure its 200 possible settings

[clever sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

steal whispyrs

[brittle pawn]

don't configure, import

[slim hamlet]

and then u can change stuff u like yoursefl

going off of baseline plater is rough

[inner yoke]

thank you

[merry raven]

it works as far as i know, really more of a technical question. i wondered the same thing on the previous build when sepsis and shiv ended at "exactly" the same time

[kind forge]

Only reason to craft this week is if you still got slimy boots

[slim hamlet]

Why does it matter if DM and KB end same time?

[bright trail]

where did the Pin go with the opener 😮 we lost it on PTR channel? xD

[kind forge]

It’s in the guide

Which is pinned

[orchid hemlock]

Hi, is there a way to prevent leaching poison from disappearing when we change locations?

[slim hamlet]

no

[merry raven]

it doesnt matter if they do, but given the order of the opener thats how the timing works out. i just want to be sure since they happen to end at the same time that kb ends before dm. or does the last pop not get duplicated and im worrying over nothing?

[clever sapphire]

it does say to check the guide on wowhead/icyveins

and since the opener is legit on those both sites

we dont need a pin for that

[slim hamlet]

Kb doesn't get duplicated by DM

that would be insane

[icy iron]

Sounds pog

👀👀👀

[slim hamlet]

Actual 2 mil burst dps

[slate crown]

No

It's a known bug

[merry raven]

🤦‍♂️ i have fundamentally misunderstood the entire spec i'll never speak again

[elfin forge]

omg that would be sick haha

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[icy iron]

:333

[elfin forge]

rofl

[slim hamlet]

The reason u want dm in kb is for the bonus poison stacks making kb stack faster

[slate crown]

Best I can offer you is this to remind you 😛 It's also in my WA pack https://wago.io/R5_enkAe5

[merry raven]

makes much more sense

[bleak plume]

Sorry for the noob question but what weapon enchants are best for assa rogue?

[fallen forge]

whats the pooling practice tool for? m+ or single target mostly?

[slim hamlet]

st

[clever sapphire]

sophic

[slim hamlet]

Wafting now

[clever sapphire]

sophic

[bleak plume]

Figured, thanks, one of the guides said haste instead

so got confused

[slim hamlet]

no wafting

[bright trail]

srry was looking for the wonderful screenshot in particular. Icyveins guidelink is still on old talents and Wowhead gives my browser shutdowns since 10.2 release

[slate crown]

The answer is to Sim yourself and see, but right now Wafting seems to be better than sophic.

[clever sapphire]

when did that happen

[slate crown]

10.2

[slim hamlet]

in new patch

[clever sapphire]

last i checked it was sophic

[slate crown]

catch up

bozo

[clever sapphire]

im dumb

gg

go next

[slim hamlet]

what he said

[orchid hemlock]

Thanks, I'm using it, thats how I noticed haha

[slate crown]

🙂

[slim hamlet]

too slow

bozo

again

[clever sapphire]

i just read his message

im gonna see myself out

[bright trail]

haha but thats not it!

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/take-the-l-bozo-gif-25355134

[clever sapphire]

i know what you mean, but no

[bright trail]

why no!

[clever sapphire]

there is no picture like that yet

[slim hamlet]

its the same thing

just not same picture

[bright trail]

i need picture . my brain cant comprehend picture and 100 letters beside of it

[slim hamlet]

l

[merry raven]

to be fair, you can understand my confusion

[clever sapphire]

here, now its only abilities

xD

[slate crown]

computer, enhance

[slim hamlet]

Eh u need the text

otherwise u are hitting envenom on 2 cp

[kind forge]

Wowhead not once had an error for me since 10.2

[slim hamlet]

yea never trust tooltips in wow

90% of them are fake or weird

[slate crown]

Once you apply kingsbane, can use this if it helps you https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

It's not a global by global (nor would I ever want to release that), but helps to reminder where important spells come in during kingsbane in your opener

[bright trail]

i want dis

[slate crown]

OR, rather, any kingsbane

[bleak plume]

are the mythic+ talent builds from the wowhead guide trustworthy?

[fallen forge]

what are the red and green lines in that weakaura

[clever sapphire]

nope doesnt work

tried enhancing

unlucky

[slate crown]

It's somehow blurrier

help

[clever sapphire]

i zoomed in

assumed now its gonna copy it in higher res

guess what

it made it worse

[spice surge]

Yes, wowhead guide is good

[slate crown]

Red = when dance fades
Pale green = When you should use second Shiv by
Bright green = when you should use Tea by for mastery buff
White = Vanish

[clever sapphire]

this is worse than wowhead page

[vale mortar]

Is there any difference between 1 and double garrote on opening on ST?

[clever sapphire]

yes, double garrote is 24 seconds, single is 18

[bright trail]

but i want dis in high res haha

[slim hamlet]

u shouldnt double garrote on opener

just read the guide

[vale mortar]

Yes Sir

[slim hamlet]

U will be extending the improved garrote in dance later

[elfin forge]

I personally also track the other 3, but why place Dance finishing on the KB duration bar specifically? not a troll question.

[onyx cove]

What’s the difference between baseline shiv and improved? Is it another 30% on top of original 30?

[slate crown]

Honestly it's kind of an artifact of letting you know when to use ambush/mutilate, back before they started replacing each other

[spice surge]

Baseline shiv removes an enrage effect

It doesnt amp damage at all

Thats all from imp shiv

[slate crown]

It's not super necessary anymore, I just left it. But there's an option in Custom Options to disable to check easily if you don't want it

[onyx cove]

That’s weird because when speeding into shiv it states the 30 at the bottom of the spell before even speccing into improved

[elfin forge]

The tooltip you see already had improved 30% added into it i recon.

[main blaze]

Im assuming PI timing is during kingsbane?

[spice surge]

During deathmark

[slate crown]

I think it also gives a natural cadence to understanding the phases of your kingsbane, not as a strict rotational directive but something to help guide your brain into internalizing the overall structure so you need the timer less over time

The timer is something that I foresee people using for a bit, and later in the patch, disabling. I think this is a good thing, so it can help you internalize and then naturally sunset itself as you grow beyond needing it

[primal moss]

quick question, how much dps do you lose if you do the non dance build?

[spice surge]

It does not

[slim hamlet]

believe it is 4.5%

[past forum]

Does the white bar show for the 1min dance where vanish isn’t available?

[slate crown]

Nope, the ticks are all dynamic based on cooldowns you have available

And if you dance late, the dance bar will also shift

[past forum]

This is quite pogging ty

[slate crown]

And if you shived in M+ to dispel an enrage and your second shiv is on CD, and would be delayed, that bar will shift too

same with tea

[past forum]

Mfw tank asks sin rogue to dispel with shiv

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

"bro soothe" but you dont understaaaaand

[fallen forge]

what should we sim for m+ to practice aoe? like 5 target 1 min patchwerk?

[past forum]

Soothe dn bud

[slim hamlet]

what do you mean

to practice

[fallen forge]

on target dummies

aoe rotation

[past forum]

Important caster is raging? Cloak the cast, tell the tank to just live, o7 the rest of the party

[slim hamlet]

based

[slim hamlet]

aoe sims are always semi sus for sin because it's so conditional

just gotta learn the priorities

[fallen forge]

hmm then how would i figure out if im missing something or nah

ahh okay

[onyx cove]

Legit just swap to sub or outlaw on raging weeks it’s not worth it

[slim hamlet]

whispyr got vid on it

[slim hamlet]

sin is the only one with aoe soothe tho

[fallen forge]

yee ive been hitting the dummy but sometimes i just run out of bleeds at some point bc im not sure when to refresh

and when to caustic

[royal lantern]

raging is not a big problem anyway at this point lol

[past forum]

Okay now that i got the obligatory memong out of the way, how bad is it exactly to use a shiv outside of kb? Like kinda bad or rip your overall? Assume it’s happening frequently

[royal lantern]

the "deal more dmg" raging? sure, what shity

[slim hamlet]

raging is sleeper affix

yea

[royal lantern]

but current one? not really

[slim hamlet]

Just don't

Burst is all our dmg

no reason to lose burst for some random out of burst dmg

[onyx cove]

Seems like the biggest concern is the last shiv at the end of the duration

[past forum]

I wasn’t planning on it, afflicted got me used to ignoring affixes

[slim hamlet]

You are also spamming envenoms during KB

because of infinite energy with DM

[past forum]

You start shiv’ing raging then people expect you’ll also sap incorporeal inside of dance

[velvet robin]

Run with a druid and ignore raging

[earnest remnant]

[lucid rain]

can you sap in combat?

[royal lantern]

no

sap only works on targets out of combat

[lucid rain]

alright, didn't think so

[slate crown]

Well

[past forum]

You can be in combat and cast sap if you have stealth benefit

[slate crown]

Yes that

[past forum]

Idk if the souls are in combat

[slate crown]

Your target must be out of combat

But like, you can see rogues do things like blind an off target in pvp

[past forum]

Haven’t ever tried

[slate crown]

use dance

and mid-dance sap a blinded target that leaves combat

Is a common thing I saw pshero do

[past forum]

Stinky sub rogues

[royal lantern]

they are

[past forum]

Well good

[lucid rain]

that's wild

[past forum]

Now i aint gonna be asked to do another thing i shan’t be doing

[slim hamlet]

gl not aggroing whatever u trying to sap

cant sap in combat mobs

[slate crown]

(back when pshero actually played retail >.<)

[past forum]

Yeah i know, i just didn’t know if souls were in combat

[slim hamlet]

oh with blind sure but gotta be coordinated then

[royal lantern]

is aoe blind even enough timer for them

[slim hamlet]

no idea

who plays pvp anyways

[primal moss]

is it fair to say outlaw is easier than assassination?

[smoky horizon]

And get that sweet 30% dmg reduction for 6 seconds

[past forum]

Oddly enough i love pvp but not at all on rogue

[slim hamlet]

depends what u find hard

outlaw is harder in the sense that is has more physical apm and u gotta react fast to stuff

[lucid rain]

blind is 36 seconds

[slim hamlet]

sin is harder in the sense that there is a lot more conditional stuff u gotta know the situations for

[lucid rain]

with airborne irritant

they require 20s right?

[slim hamlet]

isn't it lowered in pvp

[past forum]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

surely pvp blind is not normally 1 min

[past forum]

All cc is

[spice surge]

Airborne reduces blind duration

So it would be 3 seconds in pvp

[past forum]

Which would make it very useless

[lucid rain]

oh mb

talking about pvp

I thought it was about souls

[fallen forge]

if u have high ping outlaw is near impossible

[past forum]

We were talking about souls but then also pvp

[subtle tundra]

Well, 1 min cd defensive sounds cool

[fallen forge]

if u have low braincells sin is near impossible

[lucid rain]

many things would be, I imagine

[slim hamlet]

no

bm is made for that

[lucid rain]

ayyy

[fallen forge]

bm slander enjoyers unite

[slim hamlet]

they got one buff to maintain

thats it

[void mesa]

bm = brain mush? xd

[slim hamlet]

no

brewmaster ofc

[void mesa]

but yeah, personally i cant play outlaw to any decent levels (I havent tried that hard but still), but sin is great

Especially rn, inbetween KB windows im just planning them ahead of time

[slim hamlet]

outlaw is harder in the sense that is has more physical apm and u gotta react fast to stuff
sin is harder in the sense that there is a lot more conditional stuff u gotta know the situations for

This is factual

change my mind

and idk about sub

[faint path]

Arterial Shock build insane for aoe jesusss

[slim hamlet]

sub is just sub

i am poo poo sub

[fallen forge]

i need to figure out how tf sub works so i can choose bw sin and sub for m+

[void mesa]

sin

[smoky horizon]

Sub has the most space to optimize though Id say

[void mesa]

[smoky horizon]

In ST

[slim hamlet]

just dont choose sub

[river ember]

Does anyone have link to sin bis profile quick sim that used to be pinned in assass ptr channel i cant find it anymore

[slim hamlet]

[river ember]

The one whispyr put together

[smoky horizon]

Its pinned here

Or go to his wowhead guide

[slim hamlet]

i dont think there is

[smoky horizon]

Sub aoe might be easier then Beast Master

[slim hamlet]

definitely not

sub aoe isn't hard but it's not even close to bm tier

[flat spire]

Hello everyone i have a question maybe anyone knows ,, do we as assassination rogue need to craft any embalishment before season 3 starts ?

[slim hamlet]

better to wait in case of tuning

[void mesa]

Need no

Should, also no

[slim hamlet]

must?

[flat spire]

bcz i was watching a video and he said that some classes might be better to craft now some embalishment before season 3 starts

[river ember]

With all embels being bad I think there is an argument for dagger craft to help with keys next week. As much as we all want to pretend we will get double hero track nick of times that will probably not happen for a few weeks

[worn sorrel]

how did it end up at the end?

the assa rogue?'

[void mesa]

That was crafting in S2 not in pre-S3

[slim hamlet]

yes

[void mesa]

You should probably have a toxic patch crafted on a 447 if possible

[worn sorrel]

are we good?ç

design wise at least?

[slim hamlet]

yes

[worn sorrel]

I see IC stayed the same

[slim hamlet]

yea

[void mesa]

no?

[slim hamlet]

somehow it got through

[worn sorrel]

the last iteration

[void mesa]

ahh

I tho you meant from s2

[slim hamlet]

Everyone expected nerf to it

[faint path]

For sure assas has more aoe but sub is so fucking good at st atm

[slim hamlet]

but it doesnt feel op

tbh

[worn sorrel]

quite impressed it went through

[slim hamlet]

it is so nice to actually be able to begin the pull with everyone else instead of having to wait for tank to pull everything

[hoary kernel]

or being able to use shadowdance if the tank refuses to get you to restealth

[worn sorrel]

we dont get the 10secs with SD right?

[slim hamlet]

restealth talk

[hoary kernel]

nope 4 seconds

[slim hamlet]

no

6

[hoary kernel]

*6

[slim hamlet]

L

[void mesa]

but Dance is to crank KB

[hoary kernel]

I'm not the one with the assasination one trick name T_T

[slim hamlet]

crank deez nuts buddy

[void mesa]

But yeah, honestly I think my favorite thing of the rework is just

[hoary kernel]

just KB in the end pepega

[slim hamlet]

Having dance

in m+

With this iteration of IC

[void mesa]

Full Scent of Blood, everyone with triple bleed, and landing a poison bomb on spatter

[slim hamlet]

is the best thing in existance

idc

[hoary kernel]

spatter is doing such insane damage, that I'm pretending I don't see it so that Blizzard doesn't see it.

[slim hamlet]

It's so joever

We are doing the usual

Cranking first week

[void mesa]

on some pulls its like 30% of my dmg and its crazy

[slim hamlet]

20% nerf inc next reset

[void mesa]

spatter big good

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-joever-frog-it's-frover-it's-over-meme-gif-297867383892280262

[hoary kernel]

what are you nerfing 20%? I have no idea what you are talking about

[slim hamlet]

everything

actually make it 30%

[void mesa]

aura nerf 20%

[burnt venture]

Shhhhhh don’t speak it into existence

[slim hamlet]

Make SB 8 energy again

[lucid rain]

all mobs are now made of stone

[void mesa]

And then they'll buff outlaw by 5%

[lucid rain]

they are unable to bleed

[kindred hill]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-put-that-evil-on-me-mad-pissed-off-gif-14804885

[hoary kernel]

Nex Patch.

Priest
-We have decided to remove Power Infusion

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-cope-stay-mad-hololive-cope-hololive-gif-25306348

[void mesa]

"As a compensation for Assassination being nerfed, we buffed back Outlaw again. This should be great for spec balance.
PS: just be pirates you bozos"

[slim hamlet]

If outlaw was actually super far ahead I would play outlaw unironically this season

outlaw looks fun

sub looks fun too

everything looks fun

[dark token]

I think it is in multi target scenarios

But on st we chilling

[hoary kernel]

Isn't outlaw also insane in ST?

[slim hamlet]

2pc hotfix = 400k dps aoe

trust me

[burnt venture]

With 4pc tier and BiS gear yes

[slim hamlet]

lethal dose bug also bigger in aoe than st

[burnt venture]

Still p good without though

Is T31 2pc for Sin still bugged?

[marble hemlock]

Everything looks fun until the first logs come out and people realize that their fun does less damage than someone elses fun, at which point their fun isnt fun anymore for some reason

[slim hamlet]

Yea

That is why I am gaslighting myself already

to think everything is fun

I am ahead of the time

[hoary kernel]

Even if Assman is low on the tiers, I find it too fun to switch.

[void mesa]

This is why im tailoring my group to have all the buffs possible on me so I can be top dmg

Then I my fun is still fun 😄

Im on step Make everyone play Enhancement atm

[slim hamlet]

I hope we dont need to do some cringe shit with augvokers

with placements and stuff

[marble hemlock]

I genuinely hope that'll be the case for everybody, but history has taught us that things that do big dps are fun, and the same thing doing less dps somehow is less fun.

[slim hamlet]

I mean I found 10.1 sin m+ fun

So surely I can find 10.2 sin m+ fun

[marble hemlock]

SBS when it was broken in beta = super fun ability, best SL ability EVAH

SBS when it got nerfed but played EXACTLY the same = what a dogshit button thats not fun to play at all

[hoary kernel]

I found s1 shadowlands sin m+ fun....

[slim hamlet]

SBS is sick if it didn't have 20 sec travel time on some bosses

SBS > sepsis any day

[hexed willow]

High damage can supplement a spec not being fun

[slim hamlet]

Only reason anyone plays BM hunter

[hexed willow]

But a spec that isn’t fun and does low damage is rough

[dark token]

I'm pretty sure we match them atm but we scale a bit less because of 2p bug holding us back

[slim hamlet]

That's the same with Sanguine blades in ptr

[bleak plume]

is it normal to be low on energy outside of the burst window?

[slim hamlet]

It was sick for some people but obviously harder to play

[earnest remnant]

true and real, and it will never not annoy me

[hexed willow]

Outlaw doesn’t benefit from Aug/PI as much. But all rogue specs will hopefully be good

[slim hamlet]

So if it was both bad and harder, then even if its fun, aint no one playing it

[earnest remnant]

people cant differentiate between fun gameplay and high dps

[slim hamlet]

yes

[hexed willow]

And then there’s destro lock

[slim hamlet]

aware

[hexed willow]

Boring and bad!

[slim hamlet]

Destro is carried my their visuals

hardcore

[royal lantern]

the circle of wow

wait i mean

WHATS BIS?

[slim hamlet]

Deez nuts

[hoary kernel]

At least with the new rework I won't see things like this again.

[cobalt hemlock]

well yeah because for some people high dps= fun even

[hexed willow]

How dare you initiate your own group

[royal lantern]

"some"

most people say that lol @cobalt hemlock

[hoary kernel]

IKR the audacity

[slow needle]

I think this is more due to social factors than anything else. Like, people playing in guilds that expect a person to play every spec and always choose the best one. So if other specs perform better they feel like they should be swapping.

[slim hamlet]

Bro thinks that rework matters in the slightest for our perception

[spice spire]

Never seen this in my life

[dark token]

Bruh why you hosting a group at 214 ilvl

[royal lantern]

always reminds me of that max list where he asked his viewers which patch they thought was the "best gameplay/most fun they had with a spec"

and every single answer was a patch where the spec was #1

[slim hamlet]

As long as it isnt run in MDI or RWF no one gives a shit about the rework

[dark token]

I legit queue as outlaw

[hexed willow]

Depends on how different they are though

[dark token]

Switch spec during countdown timer

[hoary kernel]

that was in shadowlands s1

[fallen forge]

nah we just need a week of gingi thumbnails going "assa OP????" and then we'll be fine

[marble hemlock]

ngl for a second i thought you were @spice spire and i was gonna ask why youre not a CF anymore

[spice spire]

Oh s1 Assassination

[hexed willow]

Like using warlocks, destro compared to aff may as well be different classes

[spice spire]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[slim hamlet]

Yea but he isn't gonna do that, he said the spec is bad because u need restealths

its so joever

[cobalt hemlock]

preety much only bad players have bad perception like that no? and what do bad players love? Tier Lists!! so if we are S tier everywhere it could change

[hexed willow]

Sin vs law APM difference is wild

[spice spire]

Many reasons

[dark token]

It was... Really bad

[fallen forge]

time to swap to sub smh

[hoary kernel]

At least we had free zoldyck lmao

[slim hamlet]

Mission impossible: Find a good player in a pug scenario

[slow needle]

Make me green today to prevent future confusion.

[spice spire]

Even the most faithful of OTPs (me) debated it

[cobalt hemlock]

thats true

[spice spire]

Almost went aff lock s1

[burnt venture]

I would like to see what JPC thinks of Sin now. He was in here a week or so before rework mentioning Sin was 20th or so of the 30 damage specs on PTR M+. Wonder if that’ll ring true for live?

[marble hemlock]

but honestly, i think people are simply idiots. when a spec is fun to play, it doing low damage should not impact your enjoyment of the moment-to-moment gameplay at all. obviously every spec should be fun and perform reasonably well, but i just loathed the repeated occurrence of people saying something is really fun, only for it to be nerfed numerically, and suddenly it wasnt fun anymore. thats just... weird.

[spice spire]

Then spspspspsp was dumpstered forever

[slim hamlet]

Like trust me, if sin keeps being low on random tier lists and isn't used by streamers or in MDI rework doesn't matter

for that

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah i would imagine that to be true

[slim hamlet]

And it seems like a lot of the rogue guys doesn't understand the rework even

so

yea

[hoary kernel]

I feel like the better mentality is finding enjoyment in killing the boss, main reason why majority of MMOs right now refuse to put damage meters.

[hexed willow]

There will be overlays or addons for that though

[marble hemlock]

im not a fan of sim culture. i understand why it exists, and i think sims are incredibly important, but the sim-chasing mentality and attitude that the community exhibits in the last few years is one of the reasons why im not engaging with people nearly as much anymore

[haughty radish]

How would you explain the rework in a few simple concepts?

[dark token]

Bruh I hate how lost ark doesn't have dmg meter or health of the enemy

[hoary kernel]

yeah things like "I don't wanna do the raid wide mechanic, because muh parses!".

[dark token]

You could be pumper group, you could only be on 25% boss HP,you never know

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its only guardians that dont have a health bar. or inferno bosses

[dark token]

Yeah the guardians trigger me

[marble hemlock]

regular raid bosses show health bars

idk i think its a good thing

[slow needle]

Yeah, something being good then eating a nerf changing its 'fun' is strange. However I myself have found some specs more or less fun depending on the effort/reward ratio. For example, putting lots of effort into performing really well felt good until I realised I was only getting mediocre rewards in comparison to the people around me (while actually doing well for what I was playing).

[dark token]

I could be in a group gonna take 7 mins or a group taking 3 mins

And no clue

[marble hemlock]

why have health bars when you can signify a bosses health roughly via visual or audio cues

[strange python]

Yeah this has been a detriment - that has trickled its way down and down and down.

[fallen forge]

ye atp i pretty much only use sims as a gauge of how well im doing my rotation on a dummy

[hoary kernel]

They do... But have a small chance to get banned, it's very minimal but it's there.

[dark token]

It's also fun to evaluate your performance vs others imo

Humans enjoy competition

[marble hemlock]

thats not the point of a game like lost ark tho

[slow needle]

To extend on this, it still felt fun but the lack of reward that felt relative to what I was doing did dampen things a bit.

[marble hemlock]

classes arent designed to do the same DPS in lost ark

so why compare yourself to a class thats not even supposed to do the same dps as you

[strange python]

Yeah but at some point - it becomes nuts to even try to parse...because of things like externals and just cheese stuff that your group isn't doing but theirs did. Not to mention kill times too.

[hexed willow]

How can we improve it?

[hoary kernel]

But the main problem with lost ark coming from the point of my friends. Is that with the amount of people paying to get achievments. They don't even know who is competent enough to invite for raids when pugging.

[fallen forge]

lets see how this key goes boys

[marble hemlock]

idk, ive given up on the idea to try to tell people a decade+ younger than me, that the number on the meters isnt the most valuable metric of their performance, or the most valuable quality they bring as a player.

[hoary kernel]

Which is why sims are a double edged sword... It can be a tool to invite similar skilled players, but it also prevents new players to learn from never getting invites.

[dark token]

I mean as you get higher up in WR or performance you start seeing differences in player skill outside of blasting big dam

But for average player, big dam = performance as long as you don't flop constantly

[hexed willow]

See that feels like it’s more raid and guild culture. Cause we utilize simming for gear decisions but also you as a player is taken into consideration too. Mechanics are success

[strange python]

How does a sim value translate to skill?

[hexed willow]

Sims should tell you how you can get more damage but shouldn’t impact how you play imo

[hoary kernel]

Pretty much, but unfortunately some people out there are something else.

[hexed willow]

Playing smarter = more success hopefully

[marble hemlock]

see, i firmly believe this to be the exact opposite. in a random #1500 guild, you dont need to perform at a high percentile for your class in order to provide high value to your raid. its actually only the top 10-20 guilds where you need to be a 99 percentile parsing mechanical god to differentiate yourself

[hexed willow]

I’d agree with that

Parsing nowadays is raid dependent

[marble hemlock]

you can pack a bunch of 70+ parsers with 0 raidprep into a raid, or a bunch of people with 30-50 percentile parses that each spent a single hour prepping for the upcoming raidboss. who do you think is gonna kill the boss faster at worldrank 1k+?

[strange python]

There's also the belief - that people that can parse high - are also more skilled (which may or may not be true). Filling your raid with those more-skilled players - gives your raid an overall higher liklihood that you ... well ... filled it with skilled players.

[hexed willow]

Like you can be a god player but if you’re surround by idiots, you aren’t going to parse well

[strange python]

There's a really good chance that the geared folks parsing green - have A) Bad UI's B) don't know what they're doing C) aren't contributing etc

[hexed willow]

Skilled players increase your chances of successes but you have to find players who want to be apart of something and not just use you as a stepping stone elsewhere

I miss classic sweatlord parsing ngl

[hoary kernel]

The problem is the mentality of "We can finish this raid probably 30 minutes faster with people that have 99 parses". What I find curious is I have been in raids with multiple high parsing players and we still wipe to stupid shit.

[dark token]

I mean parsing is kinda dead post pi/aug

[strange python]

I enjoy both aspects of raiding - that is serious raiding as well as just being in an AOTC guild that likes to shoot the shit on raid nights more than anything.

[marble hemlock]

its a shitty belief, and i dont see it being shared much among the people leading guilds/raids. there are people that do both, yes, but weve seen many top parsers come through our halls who were absolutely a detriment to the overall eprformance of the raid because of their high-dps playstyle that didnt allow them to improvise or simply do things that were bad for DPS but good for the raid

[dark token]

I used to care a lot and now don't really give af as long as I don't suck

[marble hemlock]

and theres a very noticeable ego issue with high parsers

[strange python]

yeah - i look at simming as more or less "stacking the odds more in my favor" or "free dps" - I'll be the first to play Sepsis over SBS or something with a 3-4% difference because I enjoy it more...etc.

[hoary kernel]

Have you ever had someone brag to you about their normal parses?

[marble hemlock]

this is a generalization of course, but ive had much more fun, and success, with people who werent consistently trying to parse highly as their main priority, but put it at #2 or #3 in their priorities instead

[worn sorrel]

yeah

in a NM pug there was a guy bragging about how he had higher parses than another guy

and he was comparing NM vs MM

[hoary kernel]

That is incredible...

[strange python]

lol - my overall mythic raid parse is probably blue. green gets the job done even so...meh

I've never been in a clearing/reclearing mythic raid guild - just basically prog

[hoary kernel]

If you crit beacon 100% of the time it will be orange lmao.

[marble hemlock]

the biggest issue with many (not all, ofc) high parsers is that they suck at doing damage during prog, and need a fair amount of time to actually figure out how to do damage well

meanwhile many consistent 70-80 parsers can do that damage on pull 3, which drastically improves prog

[strange python]

yeah

[unkempt ember]

Hey all, haven't been able to find anything that specifies if it's worth applying crimson tempest against a single target if you're in a m+ run. With the changes to the ability is it worth it?

[void mesa]

No

CT is 2+

[strange python]

I think whispyr said it's just trash now on ST

cause of the 20/40/60/800/100 increased dmg

lol 800

[unkempt ember]

cool, thanks!

[void mesa]

And even on 2T im not fully sure with SB draining energy

[amber blaze]

is this trinket worth upgrading atm ?

[void mesa]

Depends on your plans for next few weeks

[strange python]

I'd upgrade it - looks great to me but heh

[spice surge]

Does it drop from anything specific

Or just rares in general

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=209953/dancing-dream-blossoms

[dark token]

It beats most things for me but not bomba + nelth trinket

[strange python]

I always get the same amount of each stat. However, when I change my gear, the amount of each stat gets redistributed.

This is what I mean:
Gear Set 1: Always Haste(345), Crit(725), Versa(65), Mastery(794)
Gear Set 2: Always Haste(316), Crit(644), Versa(103), Mastery(867)```

weird

[outer cairn]

Depends on how serious you are about optimizing your upgrade resources. If you don’t really care, go for it. If you want to ensure you are gearing optimally, best to save stuff

[vast loom]

"Comparison is the thief of joy"

[remote oak]

Is there any decent way to get acrobatic strikes for M+

[proud yacht]

is this dagger good for now? its not working in sims but in a 3 min test it did about 3x as much as Nick of Time's Timestrike

[marble hemlock]

drop tea

[remote oak]

oof

[spice surge]

seems alright, but keep in mind nick scales with your damage, so it will do more in raids/m+

[amber blaze]

I need to be up to speed : is this weapon the best for us ?

[flat spire]

Just a question ,, we cant craft season 2 items 447 ilvl now right ?

[marble hemlock]

he answered that question in the message you quoted

[spice surge]

Nick of time yes

[subtle stream]

Are you guys feeling energy starved a lot more post 10.2?

[worn sorrel]

should be if using exsang badly

i was doing the tree run and just spamming fan + CT and was very starved (more than in 10.1 doing the same)

or it felt that way

[ember gyro]

I can pandemic improved garotte into another improved garotte, right?

[worn sorrel]

yes

[ember gyro]

cool deal

[junior jacinth]

doesent seem like shadowmeld gives any stealth benefits for sin anymore, has this been changed and im just finding out?

[worn sorrel]

idk since when but it was that way for all DF i d say

and it still gives if you wait long enough

(not in raid)

[junior jacinth]

didnt play sin for s1 but last season i was shure it did improve garrote casts out of meld

[spice surge]

It did not give you improved garrote no

[junior jacinth]

may have been imagining it, played mostly sub

ty for the clarification

[maiden sierra]

is it fine to macro kingsbane with shadow dance?

or is there an issue with it?

[limpid quest]

Hi Just getting back to Game, any Talent builds for sepsis in channel

[near osprey]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gilded oasis]

Fine for ST probably fine for M+ but maybe not but probably ok

[limpid quest]

so is Kingsbane the way to go now

[strange python]

yes

[pure moth]

Yes

[strange python]

you won't look back

[plush bronze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limpid quest]

tx so looks like SND is gone? there a rotation build for kinsbane?

[amber blaze]

I think I did read this 5 times but still didn't manage to understand

[maiden sierra]

yeah i was looking into my st profile for a simple marco for those 2 together

[strange python]

not sure what this means - but you can read the guides in the pins or look up whispyr's videos on youtube

[limpid quest]

opener

[strange python]

yeah the opener is in the wowhead guide at least, i know that

[limpid quest]

thanks for reply and help

[twin plume]

hey, new to assa, what is the recommended/best M+ build?

[amber blaze]

are people already able to craft 463 gear or not ?

[runic hinge]

You can sometimes get a restealth with meld, not on bosses and also some other mechanics will keep you from stealth but you can press meld and then wait a second and press stealth on trash packs and such

[gilded oasis]

It's fine for ST but there may or may not be instances in m+ where you want to send dance without KB or you just always send KB with dance so macro it.

[pure moth]

Yes. Been crafting boots for people already.

[amber blaze]

let's send this dagger then shall we

[strange python]

Yeah you want the Hybrid build for like 99% of the time in m+

[subtle stream]

Trolling?

[runic hinge]

I'm gonna macro it for the hell of it

[lucid rain]

does hybrid st feel kinda weak?

or am I just bad at it?

[sick aspen]

Do you think we'll get the old style FAQ back or will it just be the wowhead/icyveins links now?

[subtle stream]

It feels sad, but I need to smack around training dummies some more ST and AoE

[river ember]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[merry raven]

huh, ashes is above signet now

[void mesa]

Its very centered on kb/dance, so if you come in on cd its very sad

[slim hamlet]

makes sense considering a good trinket got a 30% BUFF

most random buff ever

[cerulean nest]

two long on use though now lol

in theory

[tardy blade]

just sync strongest with DM+KB, weakest with KB only