#assassination
1 messages · Page 626 of 1
flounder
ty
Flunder
Is Irideus Fragment still oversimming ?
yes
Aight ty 🙂
You won’t have to worry about it much longer don’t worry
if it wasn't oversimming, then you wouldn't see it on any sims because it's so bad
What patch are we on
Aight success 😁 ran another key with the hybrid built and fixed my mistakes, did much much better with it!
KB spatter goes brrr
thoughts on dropping lightweight shiv for flying daggers in the hybrid build?
Worlds your oyster
It’ll probably sim fine
Your ability to still line up shivs properly might be a little more questionable
Since ya know
Not a robot
But aside from that sure why not
ty ty
I guess you'd also have to find a filler gcd between mark and kb
to push kb into 4p buff



until now I was just learning the rotation from the guide, but I assume the reason you mark and kb together is because you get double the amount of deadly poison applications buffing kingsbane, right?
Yes
ty

Get ready for a finger-lickin' good time as we unveil a side of Colonel Sanders you've never seen before! 🍗🎉
In this hilariously entertaining YouTube video, we've got an exclusive invitation to the party of the century, and the guest of honor is none other than the legendary Colonel Harland Sanders himself, the founding father of KFC! 🎩🐔
Join ...
@balmy condor sorry to bother you, but if im chaining and mess up by not getting an envenom off during the previous envemon window, should i still send it or just hold until 80% and try to restart the chain?
obv shouldnt happen but noticed ive been messing it up a bit so wondering which way to correct
From what i got from pooling rules you just pool to 80% outside of dance windows
If something happend and you're still far from cds you just keep pooling
thats what made the most sense to me but just wanted to double check
well yeha, when a chain breaks
when you Just used kingsbane
you are inside a chain, and keep going with it, until it breaks
either no energy or re-apply rupture/ggarrote broke it
During kb? Prio is to keep enve up
when it breaks you do the "pool until 80%" part and start a env chain again
That rules goes outside of cds
during KB you spamm
Yeh just hold it
outside of KB you maintain envenom until you cant, then pool and start maintaining envenom again when you have enough energy
its really just
kb=spam
Btw is that env chain supposed to be done after we get the new tier or now already? 🙂
Anyone know how mythic plus keys scale in 10.2 compare to last tier?
ye ik the rest of it, just noticed that sometimes envenom would drop off while i was refreshing dots if i didnt do it fast enough, so wanted to double check if i restart there
no kb=maintain, when the maintaining stops for some reason (no energy or need to put bleeds up again and it stopped cus of that) you wait until ~80% and then start a envenom maintain circle again
makes sense to, thanks for the help
yeha, thats just pooling again
if it drops->pool
if it doesnt drop->keep going
both
4set next tier just makes it even stronger
cus youwant envenoms during envenoms for it
"envenom during envenom" sounds stupid btw
No worries
Sounds fine for me
I know what u mean
They could have phrased the Buff differently but whatever
Raiding with sin yesterday was fun, but even with some ptr dummi testing I struggled a bit getting the burst right in raid enviroment 😂
tbf, i had less problems in raids then i did on dummy testing
idk
brain wired weird
windfury go brrrr
On one sark pull i even forgot to put up DM on opener 
i need actually real fights to learn/test stuff
Yea the best way to learn
go LFR 
ye i might do some lfr just for practice
delete this
But I have to say, spatter owns
Changing one talent node to get cleave feels sooooo good
its how beeing a fully functional spec feels like

Yea it's insane
Dh in my guild told me "it's the same for dh now, I can now cleave with St build aswell"
Mate u always had cleave
"yo this fight has adds, i take splatter" instead of "cool, adds, i slam boss and pray you guys manage it o/"
man KB spatter is so beautiful
i ran a VP yesterday and on the 5 mob pack after the first stars my KB crit all ticks and i randomly went to 900k dps
I love it, hope sin stays tuned well, will play whatever is best (as all rog specs are kinda fun), but if almost even I def go sin on most fights
whats the dps loss if we specc into acro instead of tea for raid-dance?
if you stop playing raid shadow legends
I will run the sim for you

cant sim it rn on my phone,else ild do it myself
How is assa feeling on ST and M+? Been long since I touched the spec
depends on how long it's been
but good
if you liked it before you'll love it now 
probably
idk
we like it
results may vary
Like, WoD🥷 but awesome, I will give it a go
still playing RSL 
Way better than wod
subjective?
u mean sinjective
@rotund oak in my current gear i go from 137k -> 126k just switching tea for acro
New to outlaw as well. It feels fast, but missing the rogue kind of feeling
im a pretty bigboi in RSL wdym 
WoD was Peak Class Design tbh
ty
thats alot
Oh shit did you wanna flame me lmao
Too tired

Or really awesome
so which peak does burst of speed achieve?
Depends on crit cap and restealth
The one where you're fast
idk, sprint now increase 100%
Has anyone had this weird interaction of stealth dropping randomly while you have dots ticking?
you play undead?
probs some trinket then
many subterfuge / stealth bugs
based
I died, released, and on my way to the pack, stealth kept dropping
And no I wasn't taking dmg
Do you have the back , voice somehting?
... Yes
I've heard it drops u outta stealth sometimes
sark cloak can break it
So thats probably it
corrupting rage can break it
other random shit can break it
many bug reports
submitted on git hub
i wasn't sure if it was just sub that it affected but ig it would make more sense for it to be spec agnostic
I ran an NL yesterday and just didn't restealth between packs until i was in range to shadow strike
cuz it was dropping so frequently
If we are able to refresh improved garrote within our shadow dance>KB window which falls into death mark every other minute wouldn’t that mean that syncing the vanish would rather be in that last 3 seconds of KB for the crit buff as it isn’t needed for the garrote refresh?
Isn't that what the guide says?
It's exactly that
Yea but that portion in the bottom says to sync Dm and vanish
well the guide sort of implies that you'll use vanish to refresh imp garrote
in hoodie's screenshot
no
I can also see what it means to extend it AFTER the vanish though
vanish is technically sync'd to deathmark, just a few seconds after it's cast
Yea
but i see your point
He doesnt sleep
I can also see it now with the refresh after the 3 sec kb buff now
no bothering whispyr, he has to deal with all of the degenerates all day 
let that man relax
i'm trying to see if i can learn outlaw by just reading questions being asked in their channel
it's not working

Outlaw is cool tbh with the way the attack chain works
what else did you learn
Basically going into a 3 peat 6 second BtE window
reroll 1 buff unless its some buff i don't remember
and don't have your bte on CD going into dance
that's about it
By chaining subterfuge uses of BtE and taking advantage of back to back BTE procs
I mean its no coincidence the new talent got named crackshot
crackrock is very fun
i mean i'm not gonna play pirate most likely
gonna see if i can get title without dust on sub
That most likely reduced your coolness

In practice it’s open from stealth, finish with BtE in stealth, subterfuge ends, refresh with vanish, build, spend with BtE, subterfuge ends, shadow dance, etc
It needs to be a most definitely
idk i'll probably mess around with assas in keys
but i like playing brain off specs in m+ so i can really focus on the dungeon
Its still not really high apm compared to some korean mmos
In 2 and 3 target - do we actually multidot?
The way I interpret the guide, we don't
At least opener-wise
happens by itself
Assume no IC
I was thinking of stuff like the council fight
I don't know if IC is warranted there
well that fight as melee you're really only going to be hitting 2 targets most the time not 3
Well, the question still stands then
do we multidot, with no IC, on 2 target
Take brackenhide first boss as example otherwise
you would yeah
Ok
Like if we assume the standard dance raid build, would we also want to do that on 3 target
and actually X targets
like with that build at what point would you not multidot
If you just keep adding targets you’re just gonna end up with the aoe build
right, but where'd the breakpoint be - like if you don't care about prio damage, and just overall throughput, I guess you'd run IC at 3 targets for sure
What are people using their 1st spark on ?
toxic boots
bracer/belt
U still need the Brackenhide well for the craft ?
afaik
Not worth getting a 463 dagger first ?
Unless you don’t think you’ll ever hit a nick of time
depends on your definition of worth
short term yeah long term no
but you can farm nick
so
General rule:
if it's non-committal, do it early and quickly (abuse rep gains, rare drops, farms) before they get hotfixed
if it's committal, do it as late as possible (spending crests/sparks) in case they get nerfed/buffed/changed
so for your first craft, it's likely gonna be toxic boots because it "double" dips on ebelishments since patch doesn't scale with ilvl. but that might be completely thrown out the window next week
until you "need it" (which will depend on what content you're doing and what your definition of need is) just hang out and see what happens
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2gxdCih9V9XWKptkivhZeo anything i did wrong or it just the gear i got? outlaw sims 20k more for me
Outlaw sims higher but real world performance is even or sin is slightly better on single target
that seems about right for your gear
slimey boots bad
no timestrike oh
444 ilvl
the math checks out 
and by math i mean my wild ass guess
With additional adds yeah outlaw is the play but I tried outlaw vs sin on sark with outlaw being 157k sim and sin 140k, sin actually did 155k ingame and outlaw 147 (even cleaving the adds a little)
Ofc I could just be shittier at outlaw (quite possible)
But just cause sin sim is lower don't discount it
just yoink all the PI's
No pi 
i dont care about PI even a bit...but taking it away from the warlocks is just great :>
We have 3 PI it's probably 1 dk, 2 rogues
giga based
#fuckwarlocks
sad part is, im probably gonna get fed PI
without me wanting
ngl dont even want to raid as assa if its a PI spec
we have 3 PIs, 1 uh, 3 rogues 
beeing balanced around pi is so much fun 🙂
thats not a real thing
Dk will get it on pull then swap to assa
Based on the sheet their pull PI is much better but all the rest are worse
dk gets it on pull rest of the fight the 3 rogues on cd i would guess
So best result is to swap pi to rogues after lust
yeah
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
not sure if the other rogues are gonna play sass or somethin else
Sub is competitive just a headache imo
i feel the same way
idk what changed
its dusty now
dusty ass ninjas
that does not ring a bell
vanish resetting CDs
ah
is played on all builds now
Dust resets all ur cds by 30 sec so it's annoying to braniac it out
which causes some strange optimizations
Or u just go with simple mode and lose dps
you know what. i'd rather play that than play a PI spec
that are kind of annoying to manage
Every boss will have different timings
I don't mind playing PI spec if everyone gets pi (aka we are best target)
dust sub is nice imo
Then logs are fair, like dk
idk why ppl dont like it
If we are a strong target but not the best then it sucks comparing urself to pi logs when I didnt get it
Aka shadowlands
Right now is a good spot
not saying that i dont like it...just feels weird to wrap my head around..but i played fury for a tier maybe my brain got damaged
is it ever worth it for spriest to hold pi for a bit in their opener to pi sin?
or should they just send it on pull
I think their current is pretty quick
I really like it if the best way to play with was rippin vanish to reset stuff whenever they're on CD and blasting CDs as often as possible
but the micro managing and specificity of CD usage
is a little obnoxious
hard to tell they are busy sandbagging themselves for after prog kekw
Spriest already has about a 5-6 global ramp before they want to pi
so they line up with assas pretty well already
but probably easier to get a "PI me" macro and just make a healer wait
its easier than outlaw in any case and its pretty str8 forward,cant miss that ''oh ye i need to vanish for the cdr'' thingy
its not like outlaw where u have this quantinty and rng u need to adapt and play optimaly
haven't really given pirate a deep look
we have 3 priests lol and the spriest wasnt convinced that they should hold pi but idk when he sends it
but it's always been more reactive
im playing rogue for 19 years,i rly wouldnt advice ppl to take any look to outlaw
our spriest says that he normally sends his on like global 5-6 for his CDs
and i also love the specc
i mean pirate is just very different than a lot of specs in the game
cuz you're always reacting to the random shit that comes up
instead of mapping out a fight
but there wouldn't be much mapping anyways cuz no burst 
do you guys spend any dreaming crests for upgrading?
no
spriest never holds for others
its 3sec rn
boooo
shorter duration means that would not give amazing coverage
but better than nothing ig
Hi Everyone! 🙂 Did you guys already test different embelishments in new patch? are they toxic thorn boots and bracer with toxic patch or there will be something different?
at this exact moment toxic/toxic is a good choice
because it has multi spec benefits
but it's very marginal with many other options
so toxic
Wha
and it could all change over night if things change
he wants you to sue someone
For what
they said "sue me"
Also good morning you degenerates
🤘
Okay let me read a bit
ofc, its from me
Nah I was on team seed growing too
I ain’t suing them
Slap on a tv show or movie and fly in a circle

Was leeching poison bugged for a little while, it was giving 12%
Now it's back to 6%?
uhh it got buffed to 10% base on ptr
maybe tooltip is scuffed

or i missed something
oh are you in a different spec
@strange python
I'm sin - but the tooltip and stat page are both at 6%
maybe it's a warmode thing
off-topic but I just found out how to use a custom wallpaper for details 
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
probably warmode i'm guessing
I don't remember if it was a PvE only update and i don't wanna go hunt down the blue post 
maybe warmode yeah idk
but it was assass specific iirc
are professions worth picking up in dragonflight? If so what are the best choices for assa rogue?
I’d highly recommend alchemy for the longer flask duration, but besides that they don’t really have much of an impact anymore because you can get the bind of pickup stuff crafted by other players with crafting orders
alch is the only important one, maybe engi if you want a brez 
Ya engi has a less chance for the brez to fail iirc
Engi cant critical fail anymore imagine depleting cause you went to brez and just one hit yourself as well 
i made some bigger bucks with blacksmith
small weapons at expac start go brrrrr
daggers+fist weapons means i could make weapons for like, 80% of classes lol
Ye you made an insane amount of gold early expac with professions
money is not a specific benefit to assas rogue 
is there a way to configure plater to only show bleeds, not poisons?
you can blacklist the poisons in the debuff section
idk if there is a way to do all at once
yes, its a benefit to all classes

who cares about performance, be a AH Goblin and just buy CE in week5
and never show anyone the logs
Is assassination far behind outlaw in terms of m+ and raiding? or is it better?
Its very good in m+ but lacks some ST damage compared ton outlaw
yeah but in simming
check again in 4weeks
Do crazy amount of dmg in aoe it’s so satisfying
when everyone has their APL fixed (lol) and the first couple balance changes happend
comparing dungeon slice sims between specs is one of the most unless endevors in world of warcraft
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
DSLICE SIMS
Just play what you enjoy. Is the way to go
guys i just sold my house and bought a fully geared outlaw rogue because dslice sims go crazy
I tried outlaw and I just can’t

i dont know what slice sims are i just saw it as one of the top dps rankings
It is worth to create a weapon with new spark?
so dungeon slice is a kind of useful tool to compare gear or talents within a single spec
No
depending on the spec
oh ok
but there's basically no specs optimized for dungeon slice so comparing between them is completely pointless
Just drop nick of time twice, ez
bm hunter
basically tho, all 3 specs are vibing right now and there's not really a bad choice
Waw, is AP really that strong to take in single target?
bm hunter has burst now 
So how is Assassinations rotation compared to Outlaw? because it looks fun with Kingsbane
wait what?
is that thing now?
Outlaw is for zoomers
they all offer something different, i think they all look pretty fun but most general principles apply like they always have. sin a bit slower and spinning plates. outlaw faster and reactive to random shit. sub managing dance and short cds and stuff
outlaw is dance money dance, while sin is more i'm old so let me think for a few seconds what to press
I could be completely misremembering
but i thought i saw something about that
Iron wire vs flying daggers? What’s ur option?
i'd probably fact check me actually i might have just made that up while sleep deprived
i only played bm in 9.3, and it had 0 cds essentially
ye any super flat damage profile is gonna sim incredibly well in dungeon slice
the corruption patch*
For m+ most likely Iron Wire, is too good
that's why outlaw always looks so cracked in dslice sims even when they're poo poo
If you really dont need the silence, then daggers
does plater allow for showing less important debuffs by making them have smaller icons?
Would it be beneficial to macro Dance with Kingsbane? since you'll be using dance to proc nightstalker to use kingsbane/garrote/rupture
in ST it's probably fine
there's some different uses in m+
there can be*
yeah was mostly talking st
one less button to worry about
yeah especially with the timing being a little specific i didn't wanna piano fingers the opener with a bunch of buttons
i'll probably macro in pot to deathmark
and trinket to something
I switched it with ER but I dont know how good of an idea that was
I kinda miss pressing ER
ER sound effect goes hard
They grow up so quick
I was people until the 2nd legendary came out then I loved ER
I never went kirian the whole xpac
Maybe its stockholm syndrome ahah
give it 1 expansion worth of time
i was the oppposite with exang. I loved it in bfa
the contrarians need time
then became R1 exang hater
but i also had no fucking clue how to play the game in bfa
Exsang is based
ER is a nice spell but new assa gameplay is so much better than before
One thing is for sure, feels great to have dropped my ambush button
Macroing dance with kingsbane definitely gives kingsbane the nightstalker proc right? dunno how that works with both being activated at the same time
disagree, blindside change was bad
yeah just put /cast shadowdance on the first line
Based
ye did that
there's also a macro that you can press twice for dance and kb
Or just do castsequence and spam the button
Ez
Or just put KB on your stealth bar
On the same slot as dance

Yeah my keybinds haven't changed since 10.0
dance is on my mouse and kb is on my keyboard, easy to press at the same time 🎉
kb is f1 and dance is 5
f1 
Demon shit but if it works go off
dance is f1, kingsbane on K
What so you guys usually do in dance, kb and refesh a bleed or two if the chance is open?
do you even piano?
no kidding!
Always reapply gar/rup
Always press KB
Maintain 100% uptime on Env
it's all scripted for single target
on the wowhead guide 
i found the most success with not ever changing the sequence
full cp envenom - shiv - dance - kb - garrote - env - ambush - rupture
dancd is static and always the same order: envenom->shiv->DANCE+KINGSBANE->garrote->envenom->ambush til 4+cp->rupture->dance over
imagine being a class like mage where u just push 2 buttons in ur opener
could never be assa
meh, not like playing fire optimally was easy
2 buttons?
Fire and Arcane are both much harder specs than Assa
Frost is resident though
Yeah I need to work on my button mashing, I am having trouble with my last rupture in dance
arcane is actually kinda easy according to mages in my guild
Arcane is honestly quite easy
i refuse calling fire hard cus fire players are some of the biggest key board drollers in the world
idc about the spec
just the players
Frost is bit harder with gs
Arcane as a concept is easy
Fire is fire

While mechanics happen
tbf, isnt that a big chunk of wow specs
Sure is
easy only relative to fire, not in an absolute sense cause youre right, across the whole roster arcane is hard
Just quick question since I was out this week sadly, whats there to do this week, just vault and weekly?
But doesn't hinder Assassination
do you guys use vanish in m+ for ic or for kingsbane
enjoy story, fix your ui and get used fo the changes, do a +20key so you dont start with a +2 for dungeons next week
Arcane gets shit on the floor and the entire opener is scuffed gg
Why not both
watching forgy videos on his rank 1 arcane kills is like nightmare fuel
does anyone know how to make plater debuffs brighter/less transparent?
I just changed main from arcane to rogue cause we was 2 mages and lost our rogue, arcane is the easiest mage spec
By quite a bit actully
easier than frost? interesting
Anyways...
because i have 3 braincells and forgot i have 10 seconds to spread garrote/ruptures
whats your perspective on assa vs mage
or rogue in general
I played rogue in bfa and SL so im not completly new to rogue, and i played mostly arcane. I see some similarities between arcane and assa, both being bursty and kinda scripted specs, but not much other similarities than that
there is a BIG similarity bettwen them
both have the very loud and ADHD ridden younger cousin
aka outlaw/fire

Hahah yea thats true
true and based
So fun getting poison bomb proc and not seeing any of the swirlies and shit under you
Healer issue we chillin
size should increase with acro
i want the entire screen to be green
Hey, what do you upgrade this week? Weap with drakes and embelish item with spark? Or save it?
surely not weapon if you just permafarm lower dawn wednesday?
I want acro for QoL on sin in dungeons but I can't justify it since it doesn't increase range of IC or spatter
Sin would feel so much better if in keys both of their ranges were doubled respectively
why is like every boss topped to BM hunter now
Aug attribution is bugged on their pwts
Notice how augs aren't topping anymore
ah i see
if anyone is knowledgeable with plater, could you please take a look in wow-general? would really appreciate it
Should I ambush during shadow dance on ST ?
Is ambush keybind really not necessary anymore ?
anyone recall what addon it was that shows buff spellids?
or have the spell ids to hand for all deathmark duplicates?
idTip
legend
No
I struggle to put up a shadow dance Buff in my wa (atrocity ui), I copied the one from sub put it into the sin group, change load to sin and if talented into sd. But it still doesnt show up.
Anyone an idea why?
Ambush outside of kb 
Ha 😄
What does the trigger say?
Checks Buff on me if sd is there. I will just do a new one, just thought maybe also did the copy strat and knows why it isn't working
It's the same for sin aswell
Maybe not doubled but I fully agree
Didn't we come to the conclusion that ambush is always better than mutilate?
I played assa at legion last time any recommendation for now?
Watch Whispyr videos
ty
Hi friends, new rogue here!
I sat down and started learning the spec today. It's going well I'm just very confused as to why the sim sometimes mutilates even though it could just ambush. For times when it's in shadow dance, etc. Anyone have an explanation for this? I can't seem to figure out the logic for when to mutilate vs ambush
probably for caustic spatter if you're cleaving
it's a single target sim
if it's st, no clue
Ye pretty much
I've played too much arcane mage I just wanna follow my sim
guess this is one of those ''don't use sim for rotation tips''
Dude wtf assas is so much fun compared to outlul and sub
there is no energy lack or anything
I feel like sin has so much random tech
Just a set of rules and order of buttons that I forget to press in the right order 
Ambush applies spatter too afaik (or maybe only with blindside?)
And i think the conclusion was that if you dont have the +70% nature damage talent then mutilate during kingsbane was more worthwhile than ambushing, but i could be wrong
that sounds like something that makes sense
doesnt ambush also trigger caustic now
yes
oh mb
off-topic but holy shit I'm finding out about plater customizations and it's blowing my mind
target, in range, and not in range
so cool!
It's like a 100dps gain to mutilate instead of ambush during KB IIRC
You can just check the APL to be sure
dunno if the question was posed before, but we do finisher in opener at 4+ CP even with deeper strat ?
ye
k thanx
I guess we can also use Airborne as an aoe defense cooldown in M+?
what is airborne
aoe blind
Just throw Blind in there somewhere and make the mobs do 30% less dmg for a time
Even if you are in the middle of aoe
We are the tanks best friend

for sure
Keep in mind the blind needs to hit the target for blackjack to trigger
So it doesnt work against big dudes that are immune to blind
Blind is a soft stop i'd advise using it on packs when there are some casts that go on cd
could use it on pelters
Yeah dropping trick is ez af
shit goes everywhere without tricks
im avoiding pugs, you should do the sMe
idk how much I catch some stray walkers or non grouped for our tank

Dude assas rogue aoe is just insaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
just ungabunga every pull
we replace mutilate with ambush during dance right?
We might not with KB up and no Viscious venoms
ahh, hmm good point
We'll have to wait for Whispyr to awake to make fully sure
and for aoe of course we need to keep spatter up, bnut also we'd fok anyway
explain why vicious venoms makes a difference, please
ambush does apply splatter
I'm not getting it
ohh good
me every day
last i spoke to whispyr about it, it really doesent matter
on my tooltip ambush does almost 2x more damage than mutilate
yes, thats the point
Lets say ambush does 200 dmg and mutilate does 100. When they get 70% more dmg the ambush will gain more from that, than the mutilate putting it over the edge
Yea some guy said it was like 100dps to use mut when no viscious venom, but idk last I heard it was ambush always
gotcha, I just don't quite understand why mutilate would be better in the first place
It applies more KB stacks
ahhh
mutilate is 2 attacks in one
right, forgot about that
but yea if it even is better without viscious venoms it's small difference
I'm just gonna press mutilate like a goober and not worry about it
so probably always use ambush when possible
gamble on dp stonks
would ambush be better if you have improved ambush?
or is that already assumed?
think thats what they pick in the raid build
gotcha
I am suprised that mutilate is better even without viscious venoms
but yeah last i spoke to whispyr about it it was a very very very tiny gain to mutilate over ambush during kingsbane
which would be during dance as well
was about to type that lol
I mean in aoe it would probably always be better no?
Considering the small extra dmg to st is not as valuable as KB spattering all over
I think you only want to ambush on blindside procs really
You can basically just keep mutilate on your bars
and not ambush
can someone @ me when our lord and savior whispyr tells us how to play?
According to the APL you only ambush when you have a blindside proc or when kingsbane isn't ticking. And since we only dance when Kingsbane is gonna be ticking, that kind of eliminates using it other than blindside procs.
is it worth dropping internal bleeding for caustic on a fight like sarkareth?
it feels like it should be worth
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
Without going to heavy into aoe shit
trust me
it really really doesnt matter
There is no way u don't ambush with subterfuge with no KB
probably
I would
Did it yesterday on sark and echo, was dope af
Like 10% ish of my overall
Figured i wanted to try. Sarkh one last time.
did not played cds well or timing of kingsbane
But if you did time it well with add spawns, it should crank
whispyr has probably found some gains since he wrote the wowhead rotation section, but it ambushes with subterfuge and in dance
!sims
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
so take that as you will
whisp finding the GAINS
Does it ambush during dance - if kingsbane is ticking?
it's probably is so minimal that he just want's to dodge the: "why do we not ambush in dance?" question
Ambush on Blindside/Shadow Dance, or a last resort usage of Sepsis. Do not use Ambush during Kingsbane & Deathmark.
actions.direct+=/ambush,if=variable.use_filler&(buff.blindside.up|buff.sepsis_buff.remains<=1|stealthed.rogue)&(!dot.kingsbane.ticking|debuff.deathmark.down|buff.blindside.up)
I wish subterfuge stayed for like 2.5 seconds rather than 3, since you can't get the last one off anyways and it does the stagger thing with stealth bars
or the "so blindside baked in really was a nerf"
xdd
it is, its like 400 dps in sims, but the sim doesent for example cancel aura Blindside so its more like 100 dps
feels like they should buff ambush if we are fuckign cancelling blindside lmao

But I will never kill a boss without my 300dps?
Yall really are overthinking it
and without perma rune, dont forget that one
just ambush
jesus
Yea the one time use ones just really aint the same
Wait we cancel blindside? wtf
I just hit my mutilate button - and if it ambushes, so be it
bro didn't read a single message
hi, i'm bro
Hi bro I'm dad
this
I've always said just put mutilate on your bar and press it. How did I not read a message.
is what u get from canceling blindside
I see people talking about canceling aura blindside....
werf
We're literally saying the same thing
whats the logic behind assa not getting any extra tankyness on its tree compared to other specs
We get 12% leech compared to others right?

Leeching poison is twice as strong atleast
dont think we really need tankyness tbh
still feels unfair esp how much extra outlaw gets
vers stam 5% dr from target cdr on feint
I would say that even tho 6% leech is not super stronk, it's better than 5% stam but spending a talent point on it in the spec tree like outlaw
ours is completely free
and yea leech fixes our one pain point being rot dmg
Also iirc you dont get the stamina and the dr because or pathing as outlaw
(unless its changed)
if u die as rogue with new changes + elusiveness buff its a major skill issue
yea u dont get the stam on normal raid build outlaw
u get the 5% dr and vers tho
oh yeah thats not really an issue its just weird how much more other specs are getting
you will die BECAUSE you took elusivness
biggest trap ever
Like i said, rot damage is still your bane.
take CD away? lmao
Nah
The only difference is that sub got more tanky this patch, which is why assa got the buffed leeching
You have to take it on rot fights
2x feint with buffed elusiveness is insane
But losing cheat sucks
if you are getting one shot on a mechanic through elusiveness you take cheat death
idk if u HAVE to take it, cheat is op too
but there is no way elusiveness is not better in rot fights
if elusiveness means you won't die on a misplay its better
just don't misplay
if u misplay u hit cloak
i wanna see the % of people taki g elusivness and how often they die at the end of the tier

trust me, we all get hard carried by CD
skill issue
i do think CD is better but elusiveness will have play in m+
based
nah
cd def better m+
imo
feint is already op in m+
well its op everywhere
Elusivness is only good when you know the dmg is coming. I don't know how many times i've poped cd cause i've stood in some shitty aoe that is hard to see cause there are 15mobs on the screen or getting 10x fireblasted by a mob
;X
in weird situations like snapdragns in ToT you could probably justify elusiveness, but idk if it's worth taking for a whole dungeon for that
yea
Each person can customize their talent tree and choose whichever talent they prefer 
I am gonna take it for rot dmg fights or if I know there is some shit we can't survive in dungeons
you can see when you're getting 10x fireblasting by every mob too tho
WHAT?! We have.. choices?!
oh my
No shot that's an option
Like the nokhud offensive 3rd boss
You have to copy wowhead guide
where people took elusiveness even before it was buffed
lies
missinformation
spreading trought a green name
wow
^^^^^^^^
what does a lizard sound like
mfw when people compare talents without the disclaimer its a choice
Remember ptr testing where drunk whispyr cooked a build with no cloak
and everyone just copy pasted


Also elusiveness isnt that good against rot anyway unless you spend 20% of your globals on feint
Which is typically not great
it is cause rot fights generally have some hard hitting AoE to cuck your healers from not spamming heals.
😮
depends on what kinda rot yea
if its just infinite rot then prob not good
But like sark rot prob good
theres not really good tools for infinite rot for anyone tho
Leech
Feint works on sark already
other than leech but 10% is good
Just deal enough dmg so you leech enough 

No need to press defensive
It works on the sark dot yes
havoc has meta leech but their uptime was decreased a lot too
What dot we are talking about?
feint works on saurfang's debuff in ICC
breath or disentegrate
avoidance works on everything where a mob doesn't have your name in their cast bar target pretty much
let's not question it
The aoe channel from the boss or the dot in p2 and 3?
p1 stuff
God, i remember ´running around in a circle spamming feint getting chased by a damn tank.
good ol raidin dayz
It also works on some of those things tho
god damn feint is op
yeah like targetted aoe on a person
But if they use mouseover casts?
boss op
are rupture/garrote mouseovers generally used by you guys
disc
no lol
mistweaver
Yes
Yep
my only mousover macro is shadowstep 
How is assa 10.2 m+ looking? Is it still dogwater compared to ol/sub
I don't use mouseover for anything tbh ;C
mouseover is a completely nother life in m+
I have mouseover for almost everything
tbh aoe feels so amazing
when u get used to it
mate, we cant even do keys yet lol
Blind, sap, kick, step, gar, rup, bone spike..
BUT MUH 10.1 DUNGEONS WITH 10.1 TIER AND 10.1 TRINKETS !???!??!!
yeah and i feel its semi-important with splatter
that you keep meleeing your one target while mouseovering the rest
yea
True
tab targeting with spatter and kb a thing is not what u would love
I could never find the kb target again 😂😂
anyone know what the best paracausal trinket would be for sin?
ty
10.1 dungeons feels damn decent with assasination tbh
bro did u see zercool yesterday
tbf he had an aug and priest in some dungeon
but fuck me that spec pumps now
Have yet to do any myself because i cba fixing my weakauras yet but I am hyped for next week
there wasn't really a target count where i feel like a meme as sin
whereas low counts with sub or very high with outlaw feels bad
with that setup everyone pumps 
yeah it was feelin good in m+ last night. felt like a whole ass clown on damage amp bosses though. can't get close enough to setup kb early and sending it outside of the amp felt wrong 
yeah nelth was rough
nelth was exactly it lol
I did a 20 bracken with an aug, OH MAN did it feel great
start of uldaman absolutely giga trucks as sin though, lots of little guys with big things to truck into
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
Where do i put whispyr's afenar edit?
can Just Download it
just delete afner's and the you use whispys afner. it replaces it.
😄
That's what i wanted to know, thanks 🙂

Yes, its so much fun.
Put seed in ground
fly to next
put seed in ground
great
I love the gameplay loop
Indiscrimnate carnage is a 5 yard spread from you as the center or the mob you're gutting?
I'm finding it wonky to spread sometimes
your character sadly

wait, really? I thought it worked like replicating shadows
yeah it makes it a little weird at times, which is annoying but eventually something we'll get used to I think
the fixed version, I mean
ngl, it's worked like replicating sometimes and other times worked like BF
idk what's a bug and what's intended anymore

I'll just pretend I'm still playing 10.1 sub
hump some legs to spread bleeds properly
I noticed the rupture part works without issue it seems
but the garrote part works like BF
but I could be just looking for a reason to be annoyed
all the renown grinding is melting my brain
1 more hour and its weekend
I changed from bloom farming to just sit in valdrakken again
pretty good
based
I changed to just alt f4ing 
Yeah last night i changed to whiskey and hangs with the fiance
I'm leveling my barb in d4 D:
I'm not flying around and doing all the WQs with a contract
Idk. I def tab target, look at my plater bar, and I'm like...really that rupture/Gorote didn't just spread :/
my will to live is bugged too

They make Lexapro for that
you'll get there, enjoy your 20s. Best time of your life
good morning fellow gamers
Shmeeps Noooooo
Surely not right?
Carnage




