#assassination

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snow kindle
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that dropped in aberrus

runic hinge
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flounder

royal lantern
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2nd or 3rd boss

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was my name for it

snow kindle
grim jay
lucid rain
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verbotene Flunder

gloomy dust
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Is Irideus Fragment still oversimming ?

keen spruce
gloomy dust
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Aight ty 🙂

balmy condor
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You won’t have to worry about it much longer don’t worry

keen spruce
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if it wasn't oversimming, then you wouldn't see it on any sims because it's so bad

runic hinge
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What patch are we on

raven egret
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Aight success 😁 ran another key with the hybrid built and fixed my mistakes, did much much better with it!

kind forge
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KB spatter goes brrr

lucid rain
balmy condor
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It’ll probably sim fine

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Your ability to still line up shivs properly might be a little more questionable

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Since ya know

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Not a robot

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But aside from that sure why not

lucid rain
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ty ty

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I guess you'd also have to find a filler gcd between mark and kb

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to push kb into 4p buff

balmy condor
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Sure yeah whatever that means

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Sounds good

keen spruce
runic hinge
pastel onyx
lucid rain
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until now I was just learning the rotation from the guide, but I assume the reason you mark and kb together is because you get double the amount of deadly poison applications buffing kingsbane, right?

balmy condor
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Yes

lucid rain
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ty

kind forge
lucid rain
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haughty flicker
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@balmy condor sorry to bother you, but if im chaining and mess up by not getting an envenom off during the previous envemon window, should i still send it or just hold until 80% and try to restart the chain?

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obv shouldnt happen but noticed ive been messing it up a bit so wondering which way to correct

royal lantern
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just start again

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(i mean pooling until starting a new chain with that)

hearty reef
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From what i got from pooling rules you just pool to 80% outside of dance windows

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If something happend and you're still far from cds you just keep pooling

haughty flicker
royal lantern
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when you Just used kingsbane

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you are inside a chain, and keep going with it, until it breaks

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either no energy or re-apply rupture/ggarrote broke it

hearty reef
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During kb? Prio is to keep enve up

royal lantern
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when it breaks you do the "pool until 80%" part and start a env chain again

hearty reef
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That rules goes outside of cds

royal lantern
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during KB you spamm

balmy condor
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Yeh just hold it

royal lantern
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outside of KB you maintain envenom until you cant, then pool and start maintaining envenom again when you have enough energy

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its really just

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kb=spam

plucky canopy
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Btw is that env chain supposed to be done after we get the new tier or now already? 🙂

potent lintel
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Anyone know how mythic plus keys scale in 10.2 compare to last tier?

haughty flicker
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ye ik the rest of it, just noticed that sometimes envenom would drop off while i was refreshing dots if i didnt do it fast enough, so wanted to double check if i restart there

royal lantern
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no kb=maintain, when the maintaining stops for some reason (no energy or need to put bleeds up again and it stopped cus of that) you wait until ~80% and then start a envenom maintain circle again

haughty flicker
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makes sense to, thanks for the help

royal lantern
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if it drops->pool

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if it doesnt drop->keep going

royal lantern
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4set next tier just makes it even stronger

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cus youwant envenoms during envenoms for it

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"envenom during envenom" sounds stupid btw

plucky canopy
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No worries

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Sounds fine for me

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I know what u mean

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They could have phrased the Buff differently but whatever

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Raiding with sin yesterday was fun, but even with some ptr dummi testing I struggled a bit getting the burst right in raid enviroment 😂

royal lantern
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tbf, i had less problems in raids then i did on dummy testing

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idk

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brain wired weird

lucid rain
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windfury go brrrr

plucky canopy
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On one sark pull i even forgot to put up DM on opener starege

royal lantern
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i need actually real fights to learn/test stuff

plucky canopy
keen spruce
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go LFR smile_dog

haughty flicker
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ye i might do some lfr just for practice

haughty flicker
plucky canopy
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But I have to say, spatter owns

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Changing one talent node to get cleave feels sooooo good

royal lantern
plucky canopy
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Yea it's insane

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Dh in my guild told me "it's the same for dh now, I can now cleave with St build aswell"

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Mate u always had cleave

royal lantern
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"yo this fight has adds, i take splatter" instead of "cool, adds, i slam boss and pray you guys manage it o/"

frail cloud
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man KB spatter is so beautiful FeelsWowMan i ran a VP yesterday and on the 5 mob pack after the first stars my KB crit all ticks and i randomly went to 900k dps

plucky canopy
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I love it, hope sin stays tuned well, will play whatever is best (as all rog specs are kinda fun), but if almost even I def go sin on most fights

rotund oak
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whats the dps loss if we specc into acro instead of tea for raid-dance?

keen spruce
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I will run the sim for you

rotund oak
ripe palm
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How is assa feeling on ST and M+? Been long since I touched the spec

grim jay
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Very poisonous, bloody and subjective

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But in a good way

keen spruce
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but good

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if you liked it before you'll love it now thumbsup

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probably

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idk

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we like it

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results may vary

ripe palm
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Like, WoD🥷 but awesome, I will give it a go

keen spruce
grim jay
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Way better than wod

frail cloud
keen spruce
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@rotund oak in my current gear i go from 137k -> 126k just switching tea for acro

ripe palm
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New to outlaw as well. It feels fast, but missing the rogue kind of feeling

rotund oak
crisp pine
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WoD was Peak Class Design tbh

crisp pine
balmy condor
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Oh

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You’re the burst of speed guy

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I remember now

crisp pine
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Oh shit did you wanna flame me lmao

grim jay
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Thats like

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Either you did something terrible

balmy condor
keen spruce
grim jay
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Or really awesome

whole mason
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so which peak does burst of speed achieve?

rotund oak
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Whispyr is compasionate and likes eveyrone wdym

grim jay
crisp pine
whole mason
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idk, sprint now increase 100%

normal mist
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Has anyone had this weird interaction of stealth dropping randomly while you have dots ticking?

normal mist
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Kept happening to me yesterday in a m+

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Belf

royal lantern
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probs some trinket then

keen spruce
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many subterfuge / stealth bugs

kind forge
normal mist
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I died, released, and on my way to the pack, stealth kept dropping

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And no I wasn't taking dmg

thorny onyx
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Do you have the back , voice somehting?

normal mist
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... Yes

thorny onyx
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I've heard it drops u outta stealth sometimes

keen spruce
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sark cloak can break it

thorny onyx
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So thats probably it

keen spruce
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corrupting rage can break it

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other random shit can break it

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many bug reports

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submitted on git hub

keen spruce
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i wasn't sure if it was just sub that it affected but ig it would make more sense for it to be spec agnostic

normal mist
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"what takes you out of stealth?"
"Yes"

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I mean it was fine just annoying

keen spruce
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I ran an NL yesterday and just didn't restealth between packs until i was in range to shadow strike

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cuz it was dropping so frequently

strange bronze
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If we are able to refresh improved garrote within our shadow dance>KB window which falls into death mark every other minute wouldn’t that mean that syncing the vanish would rather be in that last 3 seconds of KB for the crit buff as it isn’t needed for the garrote refresh?

normal mist
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Isn't that what the guide says?

hushed fable
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It's exactly that

strange bronze
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Yea but that portion in the bottom says to sync Dm and vanish

keen spruce
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well the guide sort of implies that you'll use vanish to refresh imp garrote

hushed fable
keen spruce
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in hoodie's screenshot

normal mist
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Let's all poke whispyr

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Oh wait he should be sleeping

royal lantern
strange bronze
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I can also see what it means to extend it AFTER the vanish though

keen spruce
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vanish is technically sync'd to deathmark, just a few seconds after it's cast

strange bronze
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Yea

keen spruce
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but i see your point

grim jay
strange bronze
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I can also see it now with the refresh after the 3 sec kb buff now

keen spruce
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no bothering whispyr, he has to deal with all of the degenerates all day bonk_frog

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let that man relax

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i'm trying to see if i can learn outlaw by just reading questions being asked in their channel

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it's not working

strange bronze
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Outlaw is cool tbh with the way the attack chain works

royal lantern
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what else did you learn

keen spruce
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somehting about ace up your sleeve WAs

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and uhh

strange bronze
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Basically going into a 3 peat 6 second BtE window

keen spruce
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reroll 1 buff unless its some buff i don't remember

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and don't have your bte on CD going into dance

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that's about it

strange bronze
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By chaining subterfuge uses of BtE and taking advantage of back to back BTE procs

grim jay
keen spruce
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crackrock is very fun

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i mean i'm not gonna play pirate most likely

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gonna see if i can get title without dust on sub

grim jay
keen spruce
strange bronze
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In practice it’s open from stealth, finish with BtE in stealth, subterfuge ends, refresh with vanish, build, spend with BtE, subterfuge ends, shadow dance, etc

grim jay
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It needs to be a most definitely

strange bronze
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🤣🤣🤣

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Outlaw is just arthritis sim

keen spruce
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idk i'll probably mess around with assas in keys

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but i like playing brain off specs in m+ so i can really focus on the dungeon

grim jay
willow kite
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In 2 and 3 target - do we actually multidot?

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The way I interpret the guide, we don't

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At least opener-wise

twin bay
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happens by itself

willow kite
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Assume no IC

twin bay
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10sec after stealths dots apply to more targets

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oh

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mb

willow kite
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I was thinking of stuff like the council fight

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I don't know if IC is warranted there

ruby moss
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well that fight as melee you're really only going to be hitting 2 targets most the time not 3

willow kite
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Well, the question still stands then

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do we multidot, with no IC, on 2 target

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Take brackenhide first boss as example otherwise

ruby moss
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you would yeah

willow kite
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Ok

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Like if we assume the standard dance raid build, would we also want to do that on 3 target

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and actually X targets

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like with that build at what point would you not multidot

runic hinge
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If you just keep adding targets you’re just gonna end up with the aoe build

willow kite
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right, but where'd the breakpoint be - like if you don't care about prio damage, and just overall throughput, I guess you'd run IC at 3 targets for sure

spring socket
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What are people using their 1st spark on ?

willow kite
spring socket
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Where we putting the r patch on ?

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*armour patch on ?

willow kite
spring socket
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U still need the Brackenhide well for the craft ?

willow kite
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afaik

spring socket
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Not worth getting a 463 dagger first ?

runic hinge
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Unless you don’t think you’ll ever hit a nick of time

ruby moss
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depends on your definition of worth

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short term yeah long term no

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but you can farm nick

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so

keen spruce
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General rule:
if it's non-committal, do it early and quickly (abuse rep gains, rare drops, farms) before they get hotfixed
if it's committal, do it as late as possible (spending crests/sparks) in case they get nerfed/buffed/changed

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so for your first craft, it's likely gonna be toxic boots because it "double" dips on ebelishments since patch doesn't scale with ilvl. but that might be completely thrown out the window next week

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until you "need it" (which will depend on what content you're doing and what your definition of need is) just hang out and see what happens

lucid rain
shy axle
dark token
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Outlaw sims higher but real world performance is even or sin is slightly better on single target

keen spruce
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that seems about right for your gear

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slimey boots bad

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no timestrike oh

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444 ilvl

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the math checks out shrugFreg

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and by math i mean my wild ass guess

dark token
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With additional adds yeah outlaw is the play but I tried outlaw vs sin on sark with outlaw being 157k sim and sin 140k, sin actually did 155k ingame and outlaw 147 (even cleaving the adds a little)

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Ofc I could just be shittier at outlaw (quite possible)

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But just cause sin sim is lower don't discount it

twin bay
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just yoink all the PI's

dark token
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No pi salute

twin bay
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i dont care about PI even a bit...but taking it away from the warlocks is just great :>

dark token
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We have 3 PI it's probably 1 dk, 2 rogues

lucid rain
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#fuckwarlocks

subtle tundra
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sad part is, im probably gonna get fed PI

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without me wanting

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ngl dont even want to raid as assa if its a PI spec

royal lantern
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same

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fuck pi

keen spruce
royal lantern
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beeing balanced around pi is so much fun 🙂

subtle tundra
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thats not a real thing

dark token
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Based on the sheet their pull PI is much better but all the rest are worse

twin bay
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dk gets it on pull rest of the fight the 3 rogues on cd i would guess

dark token
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So best result is to swap pi to rogues after lust

keen spruce
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yeah

subtle tundra
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i have a brilliant idea

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what if i play sub

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
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not sure if the other rogues are gonna play sass or somethin else

dark token
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Sub is competitive just a headache imo

twin bay
subtle tundra
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idk what changed

royal lantern
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its dusty now

keen spruce
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dusty ass ninjas

subtle tundra
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that does not ring a bell

keen spruce
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vanish resetting CDs

subtle tundra
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ah

keen spruce
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is played on all builds now

dark token
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Dust resets all ur cds by 30 sec so it's annoying to braniac it out

keen spruce
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which causes some strange optimizations

dark token
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Or u just go with simple mode and lose dps

subtle tundra
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you know what. i'd rather play that than play a PI spec

keen spruce
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that are kind of annoying to manage

dark token
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Every boss will have different timings

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I don't mind playing PI spec if everyone gets pi (aka we are best target)

rotund oak
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dust sub is nice imo

dark token
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Then logs are fair, like dk

rotund oak
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idk why ppl dont like it

dark token
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If we are a strong target but not the best then it sucks comparing urself to pi logs when I didnt get it

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Aka shadowlands

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Right now is a good spot

twin bay
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not saying that i dont like it...just feels weird to wrap my head around..but i played fury for a tier maybe my brain got damaged

fallen forge
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is it ever worth it for spriest to hold pi for a bit in their opener to pi sin?

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or should they just send it on pull

runic hinge
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I think their current is pretty quick

keen spruce
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but the micro managing and specificity of CD usage

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is a little obnoxious

twin bay
keen spruce
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Spriest already has about a 5-6 global ramp before they want to pi

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so they line up with assas pretty well already

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but probably easier to get a "PI me" macro and just make a healer wait

rotund oak
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its not like outlaw where u have this quantinty and rng u need to adapt and play optimaly

keen spruce
fallen forge
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we have 3 priests lol and the spriest wasnt convinced that they should hold pi but idk when he sends it

keen spruce
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but it's always been more reactive

rotund oak
keen spruce
rotund oak
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and i also love the specc

keen spruce
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i mean pirate is just very different than a lot of specs in the game

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cuz you're always reacting to the random shit that comes up

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instead of mapping out a fight

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but there wouldn't be much mapping anyways cuz no burst squishykek

brave ravine
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do you guys spend any dreaming crests for upgrading?

royal lantern
keen spruce
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boooo

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shorter duration means that would not give amazing coverage

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but better than nothing ig

coral turret
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Hi Everyone! 🙂 Did you guys already test different embelishments in new patch? are they toxic thorn boots and bracer with toxic patch or there will be something different?

keen spruce
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because it has multi spec benefits

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but it's very marginal with many other options

royal lantern
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so toxic

gusty mirage
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Wha

keen spruce
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and it could all change over night if things change

keen spruce
gusty mirage
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For what

keen spruce
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they said "sue me"

gusty mirage
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Also good morning you degenerates

keen spruce
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meme not as good 4 hours later

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and wasn't very good to begin with squishykek

rotund oak
gusty mirage
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Okay let me read a bit

royal lantern
keen spruce
gusty mirage
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Nah I was on team seed growing too

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I ain’t suing them

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Slap on a tv show or movie and fly in a circle

royal lantern
strange python
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Was leeching poison bugged for a little while, it was giving 12%

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Now it's back to 6%?

keen spruce
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uhh it got buffed to 10% base on ptr

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maybe tooltip is scuffed

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or i missed something

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oh are you in a different spec

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@strange python

strange python
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I'm sin - but the tooltip and stat page are both at 6%

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maybe it's a warmode thing

keen spruce
lucid rain
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off-topic but I just found out how to use a custom wallpaper for details PiratePoggers

strange python
keen reef
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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probably warmode i'm guessing

keen spruce
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maybe warmode yeah idk

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but it was assass specific iirc

strange python
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are professions worth picking up in dragonflight? If so what are the best choices for assa rogue?

gusty mirage
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I’d highly recommend alchemy for the longer flask duration, but besides that they don’t really have much of an impact anymore because you can get the bind of pickup stuff crafted by other players with crafting orders

keen spruce
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alch is the only important one, maybe engi if you want a brez ApuShrug

gusty mirage
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Ya engi has a less chance for the brez to fail iirc

woeful meteor
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Engi cant critical fail anymore imagine depleting cause you went to brez and just one hit yourself as well kekman

gusty mirage
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Happened to me once in shadowlands

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I was like why tf do I have 1 health

royal lantern
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i made some bigger bucks with blacksmith

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small weapons at expac start go brrrrr

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daggers+fist weapons means i could make weapons for like, 80% of classes lol

woeful meteor
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Ye you made an insane amount of gold early expac with professions

keen spruce
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money is not a specific benefit to assas rogue madClap

pure sail
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is there a way to configure plater to only show bleeds, not poisons?

woeful meteor
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you can blacklist the poisons in the debuff section

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idk if there is a way to do all at once

pure sail
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yeah indeed that works thanks

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one by one seems the way

royal lantern
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who cares about performance, be a AH Goblin and just buy CE in week5

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and never show anyone the logs

light perch
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Is assassination far behind outlaw in terms of m+ and raiding? or is it better?

pure sail
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Its very good in m+ but lacks some ST damage compared ton outlaw

royal lantern
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mate

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season didnt even start yet lol

light perch
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yeah but in simming

royal lantern
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check again in 4weeks

pure sail
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Do crazy amount of dmg in aoe it’s so satisfying

royal lantern
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when everyone has their APL fixed (lol) and the first couple balance changes happend

keen spruce
onyx crane
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
feral mason
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NOWAYING DSLICE SIMS

pure sail
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Just play what you enjoy. Is the way to go

feral mason
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guys i just sold my house and bought a fully geared outlaw rogue because dslice sims go crazy

pure sail
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I tried outlaw and I just can’t

feral mason
light perch
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i dont know what slice sims are i just saw it as one of the top dps rankings

dry root
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It is worth to create a weapon with new spark?

keen spruce
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so dungeon slice is a kind of useful tool to compare gear or talents within a single spec

pure sail
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No

keen spruce
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depending on the spec

light perch
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oh ok

keen spruce
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but there's basically no specs optimized for dungeon slice so comparing between them is completely pointless

pure sail
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Just drop nick of time twice, ez

keen spruce
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basically tho, all 3 specs are vibing right now and there's not really a bad choice

strange python
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Waw, is AP really that strong to take in single target?

keen spruce
light perch
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So how is Assassinations rotation compared to Outlaw? because it looks fun with Kingsbane

gusty breach
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is that thing now?

keen spruce
gusty breach
keen spruce
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but i thought i saw something about that

pure sail
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Iron wire vs flying daggers? What’s ur option?

keen spruce
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i'd probably fact check me actually i might have just made that up while sleep deprived

gusty breach
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i only played bm in 9.3, and it had 0 cds essentially

keen spruce
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ye any super flat damage profile is gonna sim incredibly well in dungeon slice

gusty breach
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the corruption patch*

strange python
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For m+ most likely Iron Wire, is too good

keen spruce
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that's why outlaw always looks so cracked in dslice sims even when they're poo poo

strange python
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If you really dont need the silence, then daggers

lucid rain
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does plater allow for showing less important debuffs by making them have smaller icons?

paper wraith
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Would it be beneficial to macro Dance with Kingsbane? since you'll be using dance to proc nightstalker to use kingsbane/garrote/rupture

keen spruce
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there's some different uses in m+

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there can be*

paper wraith
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yeah was mostly talking st

keen spruce
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i macro'd it

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for st

paper wraith
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one less button to worry about

keen spruce
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yeah especially with the timing being a little specific i didn't wanna piano fingers the opener with a bunch of buttons

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i'll probably macro in pot to deathmark

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and trinket to something

strange python
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I switched it with ER but I dont know how good of an idea that was

keen spruce
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i switched ER to this

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i love my swiss cheese bars now

strange python
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I kinda miss pressing ER

paper wraith
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ER sound effect goes hard

keen spruce
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ER was kind of a vibe

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but a big shmeaty kingsbane on details is more of a vibe

limber lion
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People were against ER the entire Shadowlands expansion

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And now they love it

keen spruce
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I was people

limber lion
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They grow up so quick

paper wraith
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I was people until the 2nd legendary came out then I loved ER

keen spruce
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I never went kirian the whole xpac

strange python
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Maybe its stockholm syndrome ahah

limber lion
rare jackal
keen spruce
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i was the oppposite with exang. I loved it in bfa

rare jackal
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the contrarians need time

keen spruce
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then became R1 exang hater

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but i also had no fucking clue how to play the game in bfa

limber lion
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Exsang is based

rare jackal
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ER is a nice spell but new assa gameplay is so much better than before

strange python
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One thing is for sure, feels great to have dropped my ambush button

paper wraith
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Macroing dance with kingsbane definitely gives kingsbane the nightstalker proc right? dunno how that works with both being activated at the same time

rare jackal
lucid rain
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ayy

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now we're lookin good

keen spruce
limber lion
paper wraith
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ye did that

keen spruce
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there's also a macro that you can press twice for dance and kb

limber lion
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Or just do castsequence and spam the button

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Ez

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Or just put KB on your stealth bar

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On the same slot as dance

keen spruce
royal lantern
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or just have them seperate and press them roughly at the same time

limber lion
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Yeah my keybinds haven't changed since 10.0

lucid rain
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dance is on my mouse and kb is on my keyboard, easy to press at the same time 🎉

royal lantern
#

kb is f1 and dance is 5

lucid rain
#

f1 monkaW

limber lion
#

Demon shit but if it works go off

rare jackal
#

dance is f1, kingsbane on K

strange python
#

What so you guys usually do in dance, kb and refesh a bleed or two if the chance is open?

rare jackal
#

do you even piano?

royal lantern
#

big hands

lucid rain
#

no kidding!

limber lion
#

Always press KB

#

Maintain 100% uptime on Env

keen spruce
#

on the wowhead guide thumbsup

rare jackal
royal lantern
paper wraith
#

imagine being a class like mage where u just push 2 buttons in ur opener

#

could never be assa

rare jackal
#

meh, not like playing fire optimally was easy

limber lion
#

2 buttons?

#

Fire and Arcane are both much harder specs than Assa

#

Frost is resident though

strange python
#

Yeah I need to work on my button mashing, I am having trouble with my last rupture in dance

rare jackal
#

arcane is actually kinda easy according to mages in my guild

hardy dagger
#

Arcane is honestly quite easy

royal lantern
#

i refuse calling fire hard cus fire players are some of the biggest key board drollers in the world

#

idc about the spec

#

just the players

hardy dagger
#

Frost is bit harder with gs

limber lion
#

Arcane as a concept is easy

hardy dagger
#

Fire is fire

limber lion
#

But shit is not easy

#

Gl doing your entire rotation perfectly in raids

hardy dagger
limber lion
#

While mechanics happen

royal lantern
#

tbf, isnt that a big chunk of wow specs

limber lion
#

Sure is

rare jackal
#

easy only relative to fire, not in an absolute sense cause youre right, across the whole roster arcane is hard

strange python
#

Just quick question since I was out this week sadly, whats there to do this week, just vault and weekly?

keen spruce
#

bruther ain't no way someone called arcane easy

limber lion
#

But doesn't hinder Assassination

fallen forge
#

do you guys use vanish in m+ for ic or for kingsbane

royal lantern
limber lion
#

Arcane gets shit on the floor and the entire opener is scuffed gg

limber lion
keen spruce
lucid rain
#

does anyone know how to make plater debuffs brighter/less transparent?

still creek
#

I just changed main from arcane to rogue cause we was 2 mages and lost our rogue, arcane is the easiest mage spec

#

By quite a bit actully

rare jackal
#

easier than frost? interesting

limber lion
#

Anyways...

fallen forge
rare jackal
#

or rogue in general

royal lantern
#

idk if you can really compare them

#

or like, compare most classes

still creek
#

I played rogue in bfa and SL so im not completly new to rogue, and i played mostly arcane. I see some similarities between arcane and assa, both being bursty and kinda scripted specs, but not much other similarities than that

royal lantern
#

both have the very loud and ADHD ridden younger cousin

#

aka outlaw/fire

still creek
#

Hahah yea thats true

rare jackal
strange python
#

Man the size of the poison bomb the first time I saw it ahah

#

Swimming pool

still creek
#

So fun getting poison bomb proc and not seeing any of the swirlies and shit under you

steel spire
#

Healer issue we chillincat_twerk

royal lantern
#

i want the entire screen to be green

lucid rain
#

best I could do in like 3 minutes

dawn flame
#

Hey, what do you upgrade this week? Weap with drakes and embelish item with spark? Or save it?

jolly turtle
dark token
#

I want acro for QoL on sin in dungeons but I can't justify it since it doesn't increase range of IC or spatter

#

Sin would feel so much better if in keys both of their ranges were doubled respectively

grand trail
#

why is like every boss topped to BM hunter now

dark token
#

Notice how augs aren't topping anymore

grand trail
#

ah i see

lucid rain
#

if anyone is knowledgeable with plater, could you please take a look in wow-general? would really appreciate it

neat pulsar
#

Should I ambush during shadow dance on ST ?

#

Is ambush keybind really not necessary anymore ?

flint tusk
#

anyone recall what addon it was that shows buff spellids?
or have the spell ids to hand for all deathmark duplicates?

regal imp
#

idTip

flint tusk
#

legend

plucky canopy
#

I struggle to put up a shadow dance Buff in my wa (atrocity ui), I copied the one from sub put it into the sin group, change load to sin and if talented into sd. But it still doesnt show up.
Anyone an idea why?

neat pulsar
#

Did you check the loading conditions of your WA ?

#

Maube set on sub only

steel spire
#

Ambush outside of kb salute

limber lion
#

Read the message lol

#

He mentioned he changed it to sin

neat pulsar
#

Ha 😄

regal imp
#

What does the trigger say?

plucky canopy
#

Checks Buff on me if sd is there. I will just do a new one, just thought maybe also did the copy strat and knows why it isn't working

final star
#

check spell ID is the same for sub and outlaw

#

I forget if it is or not

plucky canopy
#

It's the same for sin aswell

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
# limber lion No

Didn't we come to the conclusion that ambush is always better than mutilate?

faint path
#

I played assa at legion last time any recommendation for now?

slim hamlet
#

Watch Whispyr videos

faint path
#

ty

true cobalt
#

Hi friends, new rogue here!
I sat down and started learning the spec today. It's going well I'm just very confused as to why the sim sometimes mutilates even though it could just ambush. For times when it's in shadow dance, etc. Anyone have an explanation for this? I can't seem to figure out the logic for when to mutilate vs ambush

lucid rain
#

probably for caustic spatter if you're cleaving

true cobalt
#

it's a single target sim

lucid rain
#

if it's st, no clue

true cobalt
#

I've played too much arcane mage I just wanna follow my sim SADGE guess this is one of those ''don't use sim for rotation tips''

faint path
#

Dude wtf assas is so much fun compared to outlul and sub

#

there is no energy lack or anything

velvet ridge
#

I feel like sin has so much random tech

final star
#

Just a set of rules and order of buttons that I forget to press in the right order pepelafington

spice surge
#

And i think the conclusion was that if you dont have the +70% nature damage talent then mutilate during kingsbane was more worthwhile than ambushing, but i could be wrong

slim hamlet
#

that sounds like something that makes sense

fallen forge
slim hamlet
#

yes

lucid rain
#

oh mb

slim hamlet
#

nacho fault

#

tooltips doesnt say it

lucid rain
#

off-topic but holy shit I'm finding out about plater customizations and it's blowing my mind

#

target, in range, and not in range

#

so cool!

eternal nymph
sour sorrel
#

dunno if the question was posed before, but we do finisher in opener at 4+ CP even with deeper strat ?

slim hamlet
#

ye

sour sorrel
#

k thanx

slim hamlet
#

u can do that outside opener now

#

4+ and 5+ is same

#

u just can at 4 now

smoky horizon
#

I guess we can also use Airborne as an aoe defense cooldown in M+?

slim hamlet
#

what is airborne

lucid rain
#

aoe blind

smoky horizon
#

Just throw Blind in there somewhere and make the mobs do 30% less dmg for a time

slim hamlet
#

oh yea

#

with blackjack

smoky horizon
#

Even if you are in the middle of aoe

lucid rain
#

actually that's kind of wild

#

30% damage reduction on trash mobs for 6 seconds

slim hamlet
#

We are the tanks best friend

lucid rain
slim hamlet
#

for sure

spice surge
#

Keep in mind the blind needs to hit the target for blackjack to trigger

#

So it doesnt work against big dudes that are immune to blind

hearty reef
#

Blind is a soft stop i'd advise using it on packs when there are some casts that go on cd

lucid rain
#

could use it on pelters

royal lantern
#

yeha, thats how aoe cc works

#

you use it to stop multiple things

lucid rain
#

too bad it shares a node with tricks

#

tricks is so nice for pugging

royal lantern
#

tricks doesnt do shit anyway

#

lol

#

its QoL at best, if at all

slim hamlet
#

in pugs it does yes

#

100%

#

it does

lucid rain
#

brother

#

have you ever pugged with mediocre tanks

hearty reef
#

Yeah dropping trick is ez af

lucid rain
#

shit goes everywhere without tricks

royal lantern
#

im avoiding pugs, you should do the sMe

slim hamlet
#

idk how much I catch some stray walkers or non grouped for our tank

royal lantern
lucid rain
#

I mean you're not wrong

#

but it was nice to never ever have to worry about threat

faint path
#

Dude assas rogue aoe is just insaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

lucid rain
#

just ungabunga every pull

glossy galleon
#

we replace mutilate with ambush during dance right?

slim hamlet
#

We might not with KB up and no Viscious venoms

glossy galleon
#

ahh, hmm good point

slim hamlet
#

We'll have to wait for Whispyr to awake to make fully sure

glossy galleon
#

and for aoe of course we need to keep spatter up, bnut also we'd fok anyway

lucid rain
#

explain why vicious venoms makes a difference, please

royal lantern
#

ambush does apply splatter

lucid rain
#

I'm not getting it

glossy galleon
#

ohh good

royal lantern
earnest remnant
#

last i spoke to whispyr about it, it really doesent matter

lucid rain
#

on my tooltip ambush does almost 2x more damage than mutilate

royal lantern
slim hamlet
royal lantern
#

ambush does big oof

#

mutilate no big oof

slim hamlet
lucid rain
#

gotcha, I just don't quite understand why mutilate would be better in the first place

slim hamlet
#

It applies more KB stacks

lucid rain
#

ahhh

slim hamlet
#

mutilate is 2 attacks in one

lucid rain
#

right, forgot about that

slim hamlet
#

but yea if it even is better without viscious venoms it's small difference

lucid rain
#

I'm just gonna press mutilate like a goober and not worry about it

glossy galleon
#

so probably always use ambush when possible

lucid rain
#

gamble on dp stonks

#

would ambush be better if you have improved ambush?

#

or is that already assumed?

earnest remnant
#

think thats what they pick in the raid build

slim hamlet
#

I have no idea, it was just a guy saying it was better

#

Yea we do

lucid rain
#

gotcha

slim hamlet
#

I am suprised that mutilate is better even without viscious venoms

earnest remnant
#

but yeah last i spoke to whispyr about it it was a very very very tiny gain to mutilate over ambush during kingsbane

#

which would be during dance as well

glossy galleon
#

so possibly in aoe spec since you dont take improved ambush

#

mut would be better

lucid rain
#

was about to type that lol

slim hamlet
#

I mean in aoe it would probably always be better no?

#

Considering the small extra dmg to st is not as valuable as KB spattering all over

strange python
#

I think you only want to ambush on blindside procs really

#

You can basically just keep mutilate on your bars

#

and not ambush

glossy galleon
#

can someone @ me when our lord and savior whispyr tells us how to play?

indigo mulch
#

?

#

There are plenty of videos out there.

lucid rain
#

good news, he's made videos

#

also, I've fixed the poison slime pipes

strange python
#

According to the APL you only ambush when you have a blindside proc or when kingsbane isn't ticking. And since we only dance when Kingsbane is gonna be ticking, that kind of eliminates using it other than blindside procs.

indigo mulch
#

is it worth dropping internal bleeding for caustic on a fight like sarkareth?

#

it feels like it should be worth

odd ruin
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
indigo mulch
#

Without going to heavy into aoe shit

royal lantern
slim hamlet
plucky canopy
#

Like 10% ish of my overall

indigo mulch
#

Figured i wanted to try. Sarkh one last time.

slim hamlet
#

spatter is also just one of the most fun talents

#

I'll take it every chance

plucky canopy
#

did not played cds well or timing of kingsbane

#

But if you did time it well with add spawns, it should crank

earnest remnant
#

whispyr has probably found some gains since he wrote the wowhead rotation section, but it ambushes with subterfuge and in dance

junior kayak
#

!sims

prisma monolithBOT
earnest remnant
#

so take that as you will

lucid rain
strange python
woeful meteor
strange python
#

Ambush on Blindside/Shadow Dance, or a last resort usage of Sepsis. Do not use Ambush during Kingsbane & Deathmark.
actions.direct+=/ambush,if=variable.use_filler&(buff.blindside.up|buff.sepsis_buff.remains<=1|stealthed.rogue)&(!dot.kingsbane.ticking|debuff.deathmark.down|buff.blindside.up)

slim hamlet
#

I wish subterfuge stayed for like 2.5 seconds rather than 3, since you can't get the last one off anyways and it does the stagger thing with stealth bars

slim hamlet
#

xdd

earnest remnant
slim hamlet
#

oh god

#

cancelauras for best possible dmg

royal lantern
#

or just dont

#

cus its 100dps

glossy galleon
#

feels like they should buff ambush if we are fuckign cancelling blindside lmao

royal lantern
slim hamlet
spice surge
#

Yall really are overthinking it

royal lantern
#

just ambush

#

jesus

slim hamlet
#

Yea the one time use ones just really aint the same

strange python
#

Wait we cancel blindside? wtf

strange python
#

I just hit my mutilate button - and if it ambushes, so be it

slim hamlet
#

bro didn't read a single message

strange python
#

hi, i'm bro

slim hamlet
#

Hi bro I'm dad

strange python
#

I've always said just put mutilate on your bar and press it. How did I not read a message.

slim hamlet
#

is what u get from canceling blindside

strange python
#

I see people talking about canceling aura blindside....

slim hamlet
#

300 dps

#

or 0.001% dmg

glossy galleon
#

werf

strange python
#

We're literally saying the same thing

spiral pasture
#

whats the logic behind assa not getting any extra tankyness on its tree compared to other specs

strange python
#

We get 12% leech compared to others right?

spice surge
#

Leeching poison is twice as strong atleast

indigo mulch
#

We can leech really well!

#

😄

glossy galleon
#

dont think we really need tankyness tbh

indigo mulch
#

We do.

#

Rogues are noteriouly bad at dealing with rot damage.

spiral pasture
#

still feels unfair esp how much extra outlaw gets

#

vers stam 5% dr from target cdr on feint

slim hamlet
#

I would say that even tho 6% leech is not super stronk, it's better than 5% stam but spending a talent point on it in the spec tree like outlaw

#

ours is completely free

#

and yea leech fixes our one pain point being rot dmg

spice surge
#

Also iirc you dont get the stamina and the dr because or pathing as outlaw

#

(unless its changed)

slim hamlet
#

if u die as rogue with new changes + elusiveness buff its a major skill issue

#

yea u dont get the stam on normal raid build outlaw

#

u get the 5% dr and vers tho

spiral pasture
#

oh yeah thats not really an issue its just weird how much more other specs are getting

royal lantern
#

biggest trap ever

indigo mulch
#

Like i said, rot damage is still your bane.

royal lantern
#

take CD away? lmao

slim hamlet
#

Nah

spice surge
#

The only difference is that sub got more tanky this patch, which is why assa got the buffed leeching

slim hamlet
#

If you use elusiveness right you are unkillable

#

I would only take it in rot fights

indigo mulch
#

You have to take it on rot fights

slim hamlet
#

2x feint with buffed elusiveness is insane

indigo mulch
#

But losing cheat sucks

icy agate
#

if you are getting one shot on a mechanic through elusiveness you take cheat death

slim hamlet
#

idk if u HAVE to take it, cheat is op too

#

but there is no way elusiveness is not better in rot fights

icy agate
#

if elusiveness means you won't die on a misplay its better

indigo mulch
#

Try doing magmarax with low ilvl as a rogue.

#

:C

slim hamlet
#

if u misplay u hit cloak

royal lantern
#

i wanna see the % of people taki g elusivness and how often they die at the end of the tier

#

trust me, we all get hard carried by CD

slim hamlet
#

skill issue

indigo mulch
#

What do you mean cheat is not a defensive cd its a dps cd

#

just like cloak is

#

😄

icy agate
#

i do think CD is better but elusiveness will have play in m+

slim hamlet
#

based

#

nah

#

cd def better m+

#

imo

#

feint is already op in m+

#

well its op everywhere

spiral pasture
#

didnt feel that op last season tbh

#

s1 it was

indigo mulch
#

Elusivness is only good when you know the dmg is coming. I don't know how many times i've poped cd cause i've stood in some shitty aoe that is hard to see cause there are 15mobs on the screen or getting 10x fireblasted by a mob

#

;X

fleet pagoda
#

in weird situations like snapdragns in ToT you could probably justify elusiveness, but idk if it's worth taking for a whole dungeon for that

spice surge
#

Each person can customize their talent tree and choose whichever talent they prefer Surebud

slim hamlet
#

I am gonna take it for rot dmg fights or if I know there is some shit we can't survive in dungeons

icy agate
#

you can see when you're getting 10x fireblasting by every mob too tho

indigo mulch
#

oh my

slim hamlet
#

Like the nokhud offensive 3rd boss

plucky canopy
#

You have to copy wowhead guide

slim hamlet
#

where people took elusiveness even before it was buffed

royal lantern
#

missinformation

#

spreading trought a green name

royal lantern
#

wow

plucky canopy
#

Copy is the only way to spend your talent points

#

Cannot click them myself

slim hamlet
#

^^^^^^^^

indigo mulch
#

You maybe a cute lizard but how dare you question our lord and savior Eleem?

#

:O

slim hamlet
#

what does a lizard sound like

icy agate
#

mfw when people compare talents without the disclaimer its a choice

slim hamlet
#

Remember ptr testing where drunk whispyr cooked a build with no cloak

#

and everyone just copy pasted

lucid rain
indigo mulch
spice surge
#

Also elusiveness isnt that good against rot anyway unless you spend 20% of your globals on feint

#

Which is typically not great

slim hamlet
#

"why the fuck doesnt this build have cloak it killed me"

#

idk u chose it

indigo mulch
#

😮

slim hamlet
#

if its just infinite rot then prob not good

#

But like sark rot prob good

icy agate
#

theres not really good tools for infinite rot for anyone tho

slim hamlet
#

Leech

spice surge
#

Feint works on sark already

icy agate
#

other than leech but 10% is good

slim hamlet
#

right?

plucky canopy
#

Just deal enough dmg so you leech enough dogeing

indigo mulch
plucky canopy
#

No need to press defensive

spice surge
icy agate
#

havoc has meta leech but their uptime was decreased a lot too

slim hamlet
#

why the fuck does it work on sark dot

#

how is a dot "aoe"

indigo mulch
#

Just feint things.

spice surge
#

Welcome to avoidance

#

🎲

slim hamlet
#

I know it works on initial but that shit is cooked

#

classic blizz

plucky canopy
#

What dot we are talking about?

lucid rain
#

feint works on saurfang's debuff in ICC

slim hamlet
#

breath or disentegrate

icy agate
#

avoidance works on everything where a mob doesn't have your name in their cast bar target pretty much

lucid rain
#

let's not question it

plucky canopy
#

The aoe channel from the boss or the dot in p2 and 3?

slim hamlet
#

p1 stuff

indigo mulch
#

God, i remember ´running around in a circle spamming feint getting chased by a damn tank.

#

good ol raidin dayz

slim hamlet
#

god damn feint is op

icy agate
#

yeah like targetted aoe on a person

plucky canopy
icy agate
#

boss op

icy agate
#

are rupture/garrote mouseovers generally used by you guys

royal lantern
slim hamlet
plucky canopy
#

Yep

slim hamlet
#

I never tab target

#

only mouseover

royal lantern
#

my only mousover macro is shadowstep OMEGAKEKW

icy cliff
#

How is assa 10.2 m+ looking? Is it still dogwater compared to ol/sub

indigo mulch
#

I don't use mouseover for anything tbh ;C

slim hamlet
#

mouseover is a completely nother life in m+

plucky canopy
#

I have mouseover for almost everything

faint path
slim hamlet
#

when u get used to it

royal lantern
plucky canopy
#

Blind, sap, kick, step, gar, rup, bone spike..

slim hamlet
#

BUT MUH 10.1 DUNGEONS WITH 10.1 TIER AND 10.1 TRINKETS !???!??!!

icy agate
#

yeah and i feel its semi-important with splatter

#

that you keep meleeing your one target while mouseovering the rest

slim hamlet
#

yea

plucky canopy
#

True

slim hamlet
#

tab targeting with spatter and kb a thing is not what u would love

plucky canopy
#

I could never find the kb target again 😂😂

amber birch
#

anyone know what the best paracausal trinket would be for sin?

slim hamlet
#

azzinoth

#

green

amber birch
#

ty

icy agate
#

10.1 dungeons feels damn decent with assasination tbh

slim hamlet
#

bro did u see zercool yesterday

#

tbf he had an aug and priest in some dungeon

#

but fuck me that spec pumps now

#

Have yet to do any myself because i cba fixing my weakauras yet but I am hyped for next week

icy agate
#

there wasn't really a target count where i feel like a meme as sin

#

whereas low counts with sub or very high with outlaw feels bad

slim hamlet
#

low counts is kinda rough too afaik

#

energy matters there

royal lantern
fleet pagoda
#

yeah it was feelin good in m+ last night. felt like a whole ass clown on damage amp bosses though. can't get close enough to setup kb early and sending it outside of the amp felt wrong Cring

icy agate
#

yeah nelth was rough

fleet pagoda
#

nelth was exactly it lol

velvet ridge
#

I did a 20 bracken with an aug, OH MAN did it feel great

icy agate
#

start of uldaman absolutely giga trucks as sin though, lots of little guys with big things to truck into

willow kite
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vale mortar
#

Where do i put whispyr's afenar edit?

faint path
#

assas in keys still kinda sucks for 10.1 items and dungeons :d

#

but its fun asf ngl

royal lantern
indigo mulch
#

😄

vale mortar
#

That's what i wanted to know, thanks 🙂

indigo mulch
gusty mirage
#

good morning lovely people

#

are you enjoying farm simulator 2023?

indigo mulch
#

Yes, its so much fun.

#

Put seed in ground

#

fly to next

#

put seed in ground

#

great

#

I love the gameplay loop

frail forge
#

Indiscrimnate carnage is a 5 yard spread from you as the center or the mob you're gutting?

#

I'm finding it wonky to spread sometimes

gusty mirage
#

your character sadly

frail forge
#

Ahh ok that'd do it. So like outlaws blade flurry

#

Tyty

thorn fjord
lucid rain
#

wait, really? I thought it worked like replicating shadows

gusty mirage
lucid rain
#

the fixed version, I mean

gusty mirage
#

ngl, it's worked like replicating sometimes and other times worked like BF

#

idk what's a bug and what's intended anymore

lucid rain
#

I'll just pretend I'm still playing 10.1 sub

#

hump some legs to spread bleeds properly

gusty mirage
#

I noticed the rupture part works without issue it seems

#

but the garrote part works like BF

#

but I could be just looking for a reason to be annoyed

#

all the renown grinding is melting my brain

royal lantern
#

1 more hour and its weekend

slim hamlet
#

pretty good

gusty mirage
#

I changed to just alt f4ing KEKW

thorn fjord
#

Yeah last night i changed to whiskey and hangs with the fiance

indigo mulch
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I'm leveling my barb in d4 D:

gusty mirage
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I'm not flying around and doing all the WQs with a contract

frail forge
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Idk. I def tab target, look at my plater bar, and I'm like...really that rupture/Gorote didn't just spread :/

slim hamlet
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The world quests are bugged

gusty mirage
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my will to live is bugged too

slim hamlet
frail forge
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They make Lexapro for that

gusty mirage
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you'll get there, enjoy your 20s. Best time of your life

eternal heath
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good morning fellow gamers

storm forum
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Shmeeps Noooooo

calm heron
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Carnage