assassination

[keen spruce]

[steel spire]

Rogue PhD goes hard

[keen spruce]

then why does it say screenshot saved

[balmy condor]

The actual answer is that it hits whatever it wants including the original target randomly because it’s stupid for some reason

The correct answer is that it shouldn’t do that and should just be hitting everything else

[keen spruce]

over on the side there

[indigo mulch]

You really notice the strangest things shmeeps 😄

[simple gulch]

using screenshot in windows 11 makes snipping tool show up immediately

[steel spire]

Sometime do more dam pog

[simple gulch]

weird shit

@keen spruce

[keen spruce]

ohhh ic

that's kind of handy actually

[balmy condor]

Like in 5 targets, you hit target 1, caustic should hit 2 3 4 5

[peak bobcat]

do we pool for envenom uptime?

[simple gulch]

if you use alt then Prt SCR the "Screenshot saved" doesn't show up

[balmy condor]

But instead it picks 4 out of the 5 targets randomly

[simple gulch]

nor does the snipping tool

[balmy condor]

Which means it hits the main target sometimes

For fun

[raven egret]

I suppose it would be too convenient if everything worked properly

[simple gulch]

Makes sense

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dim pendant]

Its a spatter after all kek

[simple gulch]

does that mean it's more damage now?

[balmy condor]

No, it’s doing the correct amount of damage

It’s just not hitting the right targets

[simple gulch]

Oh I see, i guess that doesn't matter at that point lol

it's it's the same damage

if

[keen spruce]

i mean think of like eating spaghetti really messily

and u got 4 friends at the table

sometimes you're gonna get spaghetti on yourself

[simple gulch]

if this is intended then it's very accurate lol

[keen spruce]

instead of just your friends

[balmy condor]

The funny thing is, it doesn’t trigger in single target at all, so like it’s not a dps increase in that regard, but when you get a second target

There’s like

Maybe a 1/4 chance it just decides to be a fucking idiot

And hit the original target

[keen spruce]

so what you're saying is

[simple gulch]

doesn't that make our 2 target cleave strong?

[keen spruce]

sin has more funnel now

[simple gulch]

which spec hs the strongest 2 target cleave?

from rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah just by nature of how the effect works our cleave is very good

[raven egret]

Absolutely not sub so rule that one out

[simple gulch]

is there like 2 target cleave in this raid?

[balmy condor]

There’s a council fight

Which is like

2.3 target cleave

[simple gulch]

Outlaw was great before they nerfed that one talent

[balmy condor]

and it’s an awful fight

[simple gulch]

Awful how?

I just realized i haven't read any guides

[sharp viper]

The council fight with two stationary targets far apart?

[simple gulch]

Oh god, when are they going to stop this bullshit thing?

first 2 targets get 99% DR when they're close

now this?

fuck off

I WANNA CLEAVE

[heavy saddle]

Sorry for the dumb question, will Sin be scaling well into this tier? I'm not quite understanding the insane damage increase coming from Season 2 into Season 3

[keen spruce]

basically it's 3 bosses but 2 of them you have no control over and they just hop around like nelth layer pelters

[raven egret]

Yeah the one designed for Destruction and Affliction warlocks~

[simple gulch]

fuck them

[balmy condor]

A billion mechanics all at once, only one of the 3 bosses has an actual aggro table so you’re constantly pulling that one on top of one of the other one that jump around

[keen spruce]

and you have to use their abilities to interrupt the other abilities

[simple gulch]

@raven egret also Shadow priest

[balmy condor]

And the one with an aggro table has a charge

[keen spruce]

BUT

one of them does turn you into a duck

so S-tier boss

[simple gulch]

oh that fixes it all

thank god

[raven egret]

Truly the best of mechanics

[balmy condor]

It’s not scaling any better than anything else. The damage increase is just because blizzard decided to make this tier a 40 ilvl jump instead of the usual 25 or whatever it is

[keen spruce]

the intrusive thoughts of turning my whole raid into ducks every pull

[balmy condor]

Ilvl increase is huge this patch

[keen spruce]

is going to plague me through prog

[simple gulch]

are you guys gonna play a second char or an alt?

[keen spruce]

I normally dabble with affliction

but it's lookin pretty bad

[balmy condor]

I would need to level a second rogue if I wanted to play an alt

[simple gulch]

can we get 1M hp this patch?

[simple gulch]

that is unfortunate

[plucky canopy]

They are down bad, better let them alone for now

[balmy condor]

Not quite

[simple gulch]

i was thinking of playing UH dk

[keen spruce]

i also normally half-assed gear up a tank and a healer to play with my civillian friends

[simple gulch]

what other friends are there

army friends?

[keen spruce]

no like

not high content doers

[raven egret]

Sin -> Sub -> Nothing else matters

[simple gulch]

outlaw owns

I used to main warrior but it's boring

[balmy condor]

There’s civilian friends and then there’s doing keys with automaticjak and his stream chat calls you a shitter for missing a kick

[simple gulch]

that sounds very specific

[balmy condor]

And nothing in between those two

[simple gulch]

btw i got 30 ilvl in 2 hours

just doing the new zone on an alt

[balmy condor]

No clue why you would think that it’s just a random example that doesn’t haunt me

[crisp pine]

Time to macro kick and mutilate

gonna hit more than you miss

[simple gulch]

When did this hypothetical scenario take place?

[balmy condor]

They were much nicer to me during ptr this time around though

[raven egret]

I don't believe it, guide writers would never miss any kicks, it is known

[simple gulch]

if guide writers miss kicks, they shouldn't be guide writers

don't @ me

[balmy condor]

I randomly pugged into his group for a lower karazhan last expac

And he had no clue who I was

And I inted

And then this ptr cycle he knew who I was

And we did keys together

And it went fine

And then I went to blizzcon

And I gave him a hug

And he’s much taller than me so I was like maybe belly button height

[simple gulch]

i think we reached the end of my question a while ago

[balmy condor]

So it was weird

[cobalt hemlock]

always pressing the ambush button instead of mutilate now. muscle memory working against me

[balmy condor]

And now we’re chillin

[simple gulch]

Sounds like a good love story

[balmy condor]

Dudes like 6 foot 7 irl

[simple gulch]

same

i'm not joking

i am actually 6 7

[balmy condor]

Rough world

I always knew where Jak was cause his shiny forehead was like a beacon over the crowd

[simple gulch]

didn't know you went to blizzcon

how was it

[balmy condor]

Great

Met a lot of people

The con itself was lowkey kinda boring outside of hype announcements and stuff

Darkmoon faire was giga fucked

2 hour lines to pick up merch

Lot of dumb

But just being around community people is cool

[simple gulch]

what did yo uthink of the next expansion announcement

[balmy condor]

Huge

Giga

Evergreen content is w

World content is w

Hero talents is w but the w stands for whatever it’s fine I guess

[simple gulch]

I remember some of the rogue hero talents

[low fossil]

Sorry it’s kinda random but I got a question: as Sin should we use the dance to refresh garrots and bleeds or in a burst phase ? I’d think the prior but I’m unsure

[simple gulch]

I forgot some of them

forsaken one

what was it

[keen spruce]

it's both

[balmy condor]

They didn’t show any rogue hero talents

[simple gulch]

They showed the names

[keen spruce]

fatebound

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah

[keen spruce]

trickster

and deathstalker

[simple gulch]

Im gonna be 100% deathstalker

im an undead

[balmy condor]

That’s the sub/assa hybrid

[keen spruce]

the available ones are determined by spec

[simple gulch]

expected

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna play w/e has biggest number on the robot

[steel spire]

Fingers need rest assa life

[simple gulch]

unbased

[balmy condor]

I actually don’t think ducks serve a purpose in a stable amphibious ecosystem

[raven egret]

That hero class name needs to die and be gone

[simple gulch]

who said anything about ducks

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bert-how-dare-you-gif-10375382

[balmy condor]

I did

[simple gulch]

fatebound, more like rng

= outlaw

[crisp pine]

why

What do ducks even do

[keen spruce]

all these blue names don't know shmeeps lore

[crisp pine]

and don't do for that matter

[raven egret]

In fact I only really love Deathstalker. Change the other 2!

[simple gulch]

I heard that ducks rape a lot actually

[crisp pine]

that doesn't seem that useful, yea

[keen spruce]

it's more of a reproductive arms race

[balmy condor]

They also got weird corkscrew dicks

[simple gulch]

I love trickster

[keen spruce]

only cuz the girl ducks started usin weird corkscrew shaped coochies

[crisp pine]

I feel like that adds a lot tto a stable amphibious ecosystem tbh

[simple gulch]

I think it might be outlaw/sub

[balmy condor]

Yeah but they only started usin weird corkscrew shaped coochies to try and not get raped

[crisp pine]

what if they start developing champagne?

[simple gulch]

can you back this up with proof

[simple gulch]

[crisp pine]

As a duck myself, no

[steel spire]

Not the coochies

[keen spruce]

I think they were just really fond of corkscrew pp and were practicing eugenics on the males

[balmy condor]

No shot bro just erasing duck history

[keen spruce]

this is duck lore that i did not think i would have to get into imma be honest

i'm ret-conning shmeeps duck to be asexual

[balmy condor]

Bros white-washing duck lore

[crisp pine]

Are ducks, geese, and swans natural pokemon btw?

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

imma just do my kick flippers

and dance to hey ya

[simple gulch]

ducks are villains

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hooker-funny-youre-a-hooker-gif-16626913

[ionic agate]

I have a request. Can people send me screenshot of their action bar? I literally have no idea what to put on the action bar and there are 2 passives that pop up…I am so frustrated that I don’t know what buttons ti press or even my rotation ☹️

[simple gulch]

wrong class

sorry

[balmy condor]

That seems like a read a guide situation more than a stare blankly at an action bar situation

[raven egret]

So if you don't know what to put using someone else setup won't help you that much

[keen spruce]

action bars are very very personal to how you want to play and where you think important stuff would go. i'd read the wowhead guide to get an idea about what abilities are important

[keen spruce]

then start slappin stuff on the bars

and seeing what feels best

[balmy condor]

Mythic+ players hate him for this one weird trick

[ionic agate]

I am trying my best to understand the things from WoWhead but I am struggling. Just want a basic rotation and easy buttons

[raven egret]

Roaching out, retail edition

[pseudo hamlet]

Do we now try to keep the energy bar above 50% for the Sanguine Blades?

[balmy condor]

Maintain bleeds press envenom, do the cooldown sequence every minute

[balmy condor]

Not any more than normal

[simple gulch]

petri petri petri

[steel spire]

Play cata classic rogue and memorize those binds for retail

[simple gulch]

rogues have a lot of keybinds in cata

[slim hamlet]

For sure

[steel spire]

👍🏾

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy

[simple gulch]

play cata rogue and get legendary daggers

[lucid rain]

🎉

first try

thank god lol

[simple gulch]

Where's this from?

[lucid rain]

zul'aman

[simple gulch]

gz

[raven egret]

But really, your keybinds have to come from you, go to a target dummy and start hitting buttons, and reposition them where it feels more natural to you

[simple gulch]

Do you play any other chars ? @ionic agate

You can use similar keybinds, like movement speed ability, rotation

etc

interrupt

[ionic agate]

Ret Paladin

[keen spruce]

put
sprint on horse
kick on rebuke
crimson tempest on divine storm
envenom on executioner's sentence? i think?
stuff like that

map out all of that stuff first

then stuff that doesn't fit just find keybinds that are most comfy for you

[lucid rain]

these are my binds

the "Num" keys are 1-6 on the side of my mouse

maybe this'll give you ideas for your own

not saying mine are perfect

[jade river]

Using 6 you're a maniac

[keen spruce]

well

it's empty

[simple gulch]

big hands

[raven egret]

See, if I had to press X for Death mark I'd shoot myself. As said before, keybinds are deeply personal thing XD

[keen spruce]

x is evasion

[jade river]

No X is heal!

[lucid rain]

x has to be death mark

look at the icon

[keen spruce]

cuz you're holdin up your arms in front of you crossed

[lucid rain]

come on now

[keen spruce]

saying "don't hit me"

[crisp pine]

X is sitting down :)

[jade river]

and S is kick on every class, you should know this stuff

There are rules

[keen spruce]

f is kick becaused "fuck your cast"

[lucid rain]

exactly

[raven egret]

Audible gasp!

[lucid rain]

I'm so glad someone gets it

[steel spire]

R is stun and s-r is kick

F for feint

[keen spruce]

r is stun cuz kidney makes people "reeeee"

[crisp pine]

I have sprint
On Shift + Mouse wheel up
Dont @ me

[simple gulch]

mine are very different lol

from any of these

[raven egret]

Stealth is G, cause ghost

[simple gulch]

it is for me too

[steel spire]

m-up and m-d is fok and ct

[jade river]

My current setup, still not happy with it

[crisp pine]

F for when you drop the chain
smart

[keen spruce]

g is step

[raven egret]

I use 7 mouse keybinds, 5 of which also have a shift keybinds version.

[keen spruce]

cuz i "gotta get over there"

[steel spire]

Yo g sg and cg are step mo step and focus step

[raven egret]

Interrupt is always thumb button closest to me on the mouse

[keen spruce]

thumb button closest to me is nothing on assas, shiv on sub, and something else on pirate

that's my catch all keybind

actually i can put shiv there on assas now

cuz dance took shiv's keybind

[simple gulch]

interrupt is X

[ionic agate]

Okay, I will try it tonight. Rogue is really new to me. Like yesterday I went into stealth and garrote didn’t break stealth when I hit it. Had to use it like 4 times

[crisp pine]

Talents do that

[normal mist]

It's a talent that lets you do stealth abilities for 3 seconds after breaking stealth

Or

The garrote talent that doesn't trigger it's CD for 3 seconds after breaking stealth

[raven egret]

Personally my system is Builders on 1-2-3, etc. Spenders; mouse buttons. Défensives are shift 1-2-3, utility surrounding keys around wasd. And all of those keys, all of them, have a shift as well

[normal mist]

Same but the second closest

[lucid rain]

stealth will forever be on 1 for me

[keen spruce]

rotational qwe and shift+qwe, CDs 1234, defensives/utility zxcv

random shift stuff sprinked in there

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-confused-um-squint-gif-13025511

[steel spire]

S-c stealth ez

[keen spruce]

and shift + v is reserved for "/e slips a handful of dirt into your pocket" macro

shift+q is stealth

[raven egret]

Oh btw can we get a damn revamp on pickpocket!?

Druids get all their new forms, hunters get new pets, we still pick pocket rocks

[keen spruce]

they were gonna

on DF launch

then they didn't

[raven egret]

I know... I'll go cry about it on the forums tomorrow, yelling into the empty void might help me.

[crisp pine]

With regular flying enabled now shouldnt the survivors bag of coins work now atleast?

[grim jay]

Pickpocket is so irrelevant. There isnt much one could say is less important to work on

[raven egret]

Let's not abandon the RPG part of our MMORPG yeah?

[keen spruce]

tbh a revamp would be fun flavor for like 20 minutes

but i have no real personal investment in it

[raven egret]

My Legion barrel of Eyepatches still bring joy

[keen spruce]

they COULD make it important

but i'd imagine that would make everyone hate it

[crisp pine]

I personally like the way GW2 does it
You steal shit from enemies in combat and get one cast of something, depending on enemy type

[keen spruce]

if you were forced to go pickpocket random shit for like daily buffs or some unique crafting material or something

idk

[steel spire]

Free pots at least

[keen spruce]

i mean thematically

pickpocketing in combat makes no sense

[steel spire]

Like unique 20 cap it

[lucid rain]

final fantasy's "Mug" would like to have a word with you

[strange tiger]

i feel like there would have to be a cap or something so its not yet another avenue for bots

[crisp pine]

youve never been mugged before and it shows

[keen spruce]

see how you guys called it mugging

that's cuz it's not pick pocketing

[lucid rain]

aggressive pickpocketing

[keen spruce]

[crisp pine]

That's what the glyph of mugging is for

[steel spire]

Duck stays winning

[lucid rain]

okay but hear me out

[grim jay]

Even from that perspective I couldnt think about much less interesting

[lucid rain]

what if when you press pickpocket, you have a chance of finding 1 out of 6 items

[raven egret]

Tough crowd 🤣

[lucid rain]

and you may be able to find multiples of items

that give you combat enhancements

🤔

[crisp pine]

that sounds whack as fuck

Im not running around for an hour before every m+

[grim jay]

Just no

[lucid rain]

I'm making a joke about RtB

no I meant in combat

[steel spire]

Forced to pp before raid nty

[lucid rain]

god damn it lol

[keen spruce]

i mean they just need to throw pickpocketing a bone, doesn't need a full rework. even if you could pick pocket random sort of useful shit like flasks or combat pots or something

everyone would be pogging

and the forums would ree about rogue infinite gold farm

and we could have a kekkle

[steel spire]

% heal so it scales too xppz

[raven egret]

Yes. Doesn't have to be game breaking, just useful enough

[grim jay]

Just remove it. Cant say it doesnt do anything then and also doesnt do weird stuff you gotta do

[crisp pine]

let rogues be able to pickpocket the legendary axe
And make it non tradeable after

[lucid rain]

Don't you still need it for ravenholdt rep?

or nah?

[keen spruce]

this would be very based

[raven egret]

Yes, but I'm done with that soooo

[keen spruce]

let us pick pocket BIS items from classes that we can't use

[chilly vault]

Stealing this

[keen spruce]

so we can just vendor them or DE them in thier face

[raven egret]

I mean let the rest of us who like the idea of it keep it mkay?

[keen spruce]

that would actually be

the one thing that would make be love pickpocket

[steel spire]

Like counterfeit items from pp so it's memes

I approve

[crisp pine]

I mean there is some cute flavour stuff with pick pocket
Glyph of disguise, the legion toy things, the survivors bag of coins is arguably fun
They just gotta take that stuff into the new expansions and not basically drop it

[keen spruce]

cuz it still ends up just being like 50g or whatever when you vendor it

but it shows that you looted it

in the chat

so it's not even unbalanced it would just drive people crazy

[grim jay]

But many suggestions usually involve something everyone would wanna do to maximize in one way shape or form. So that in term means those people dont care for the people that dont want it either

[keen spruce]

i'm very on board with that idea

[steel spire]

Make devs jobs 2 ez out here

🧢

[crisp pine]

Also remove it from the loot pool for that reset if it happens

Cause the boss obv doesnt have it anymore

[keen spruce]

okay well idk about all that

[rugged wadi]

what have u guys crafted with ur first week spark

[grim jay]

Nothing

[keen spruce]

nothin

[rugged wadi]

why not is there a benefit in saving it?

[keen spruce]

just waiting for crests next week

[grim jay]

Wait for more balancing while you dont need it

And crests

[keen spruce]

so i only have to make one trip to brackenhide

[lucid rain]

pickpocket old content bosses to allow you to choose what items drop for transmog

[keen spruce]

[raven egret]

I made a cauldron to stop having to make that damn trip

[rugged wadi]

alright

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure you can craft Thorn boots without missing out tho

If you really wanted to

[keen spruce]

the real question is why would you

[grim jay]

Yeah thats the thing

[keen spruce]

your boots go from 447->463 for the rest of the week

for what?

to do more damage in superblooms?

[grim jay]

Yes sir

[rugged wadi]

yea thats what i was thinking

bro i love this mount

sooo op

[keen spruce]

thorn boots will probably be the safest bet and the most transferrable between specs

[rugged wadi]

undead A F

[loud gull]

what build for assa is best without tierset ? arterial shock or utilitarian ?

[crisp pine]

I see you're only tracking the important stuff

[rugged wadi]

i went there to check the trinkets

but this mount is something elsee

look at it

fucking beatiful

[crisp pine]

There are 1K mounts in this game
And all of them suck

[lucid rain]

warforged nightmare

[raven egret]

That's a take.

[rugged wadi]

have u seen the reward mount from diablo?

[lucid rain]

👏

[crisp pine]

plainsrunning was the only good mount

[rugged wadi]

lichking's wasn't bad either

i just love undead

[upbeat depot]

Ppl who tried assassination in m+ , how does it compare to outlaw ?

[rugged wadi]

outlaw runs out of energy pretty quick tbh

[smoky horizon]

!ui

[grim jay]

Its way more poisonous and bloody

[rugged wadi]

there are times u need to just sit and watch

[keen spruce]

until this little fucker is mount sized

i agree with Khaddel

[crisp pine]

Double daggers give it a slight edge in coolness

[raven egret]

Can't wait to never see Nick drop and only get the meme dagger from raid

[keen spruce]

if you gulag long enough

it will drop

[raven egret]

I plan to have absolutely no life until it does.

[keen spruce]

someone ended up trading me the harlans

[grim jay]

I will just spam the shit out of the dungeon

[quiet oar]

Yo shmeeps. You good?

[grim jay]

Rate should be pretty decent

[quiet oar]

You need help?

[grim jay]

Bcs low item count

[keen spruce]

bruther that's not even the worst of it

I was gulag'd in HoI for the first few weeks

got a 447 fragment out of my vault

took it

[silent palm]

dumb question, we still using Deadly Poison and Amp Poison, right?

[keen spruce]

went over to ravenholdt to pog about it

see red pin

click pin

fragment is shit

[quiet oar]

Were you getting insulted by whisp

And did it hurt

[keen spruce]

i mean the pin was posted

like 20 minutes after i took it

from vault

[raven egret]

According to some, Wound poison... I'll stop there before I get banned

[quiet oar]

Bozo not reading Pins before taking smth

[keen spruce]

yes

[keen spruce]

THE PIN DIDNT EXIST WHEN I TOOK IT

[limber lion]

Come on Shmeeps you should know better not to use Fragment

Smh

[silent palm]

why is fragment shit?

i got it at 441

[limber lion]

Good, vendor it

[keen spruce]

sims don't account for mutilate taking 2 stacks per hit

so it sims like ~12% higher than it should

[silent palm]

so the uptime is garbage?

[keen spruce]

it just isn't good

stats decay too fast, etc etc

ends up just doing shite damage

[silent palm]

i got dragonscale

i guess i'll use that

[keen spruce]

I don't even know what that is

[silent palm]

1st boss trink from prev raid

[keen spruce]

oh that's like a tank trinket

you can get a trinket from time rifts now

at high ilvl

that would probably be better before real content starts next week

[silent palm]

wtf are time rifts

[raven egret]

We only live for witherbark now. All prais the Tree boss for his generous donation to the rogue community

[keen spruce]

world content stuff

I didn't look into it really

[silent palm]

haven't done world content since probably 10.0, when super rare farming was a thing

what's the name of the trinket?

[silent palm]

it isn't, though, it's just a crit proc.

[keen spruce]

there's a bunch of them

#outlaw message

guy made a quick post about them

i'd google how time rifts work cuz i've never set foot in those things and can't help any more than that

there's probably a wowhead guide about how to get them

[clever sapphire]

go there

accept the quest

wait till portal opens

go in, kill big guy

quest complete, you get token for 1 item

[silent palm]

next one's in 40 min

[plucky canopy]

And let those peasants do the work for you

[clever sapphire]

i mean you dont even have to do the event around the portal, all you need is killing the big guy

[strange python]

So for someone just coming back to the game - my gear is all over the place. Feels like boots are a safe spot to craft a piece - what is the other best slot to craft (or should we wait til we get tier and see what spot we "don't need")?

[keen spruce]

i'd wait until next week

boots are probably relatively safe but u never know

[strange python]

Either way we want double of the one that does mastery right?

[silent palm]

wep always safest

[raven egret]

Belt, bracers are usually pretty good spots but waiting a bit to see what you'll need is worth

[strange python]

yeah i got lucky with weps - 447's but my boots are green 415's lol

[silent palm]

all that garbage can get nerfed

[keen spruce]

there's a bunch of combinations of embelishments that are all super mid

but most of us have toxic boots and toxic patch from last tier

[raven egret]

Weapons I wouldn't prioritize unless you are dead unlucky. Gotta farm Nick!

[keen spruce]

so doing boots first kind of gets "double" value

since patch doesn't scale with ilvl

but since we dont' know if there's going to be any adjustments to embelishments or what not

you might as well wait as long as possible

[clever sapphire]

it do be safe, but you will replace the weapon as soon as you got it to drop from dawn

so its kind of a wasted spark if you get weapon week 1

[little forge]

I hate that that damn trinket is so good, I dont need more things to be looking for on the floor 😛

[clever sapphire]

or its gonna feel wasted

[keen spruce]

wep this tier is probably more of a waste

because our bis daggers are farmable

from dungeons

last tier crafted wep lasted you until mythic sark dagger

[clever sapphire]

and lucky for us, its the easier part of the dungeon imo

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean in a ocuple of weeks it won't matter

[raven egret]

You will touch the water balls and you will like it

[keen spruce]

when we're farmin 20s

but for the first few weeks that does help

[clever sapphire]

wdym, you not gonna farm 20s week 1?

[keen spruce]

depends

we'll see how hard stuff is

[ionic agate]

20’s in week 1 😳

[raven egret]

I'll do my damn best. Main issue we will have is all rogues and their entire family will try to get in lower DOTI keys. It'll be madness

[grim jay]

I personally wouldnt aim any lower than 20s in week 1

[keen spruce]

i mean you're gonna be very undergeared for 20s week 1

[little forge]

Were 20's on the PTR seriously undertuned or underscaled or something btw?

As they seemed trivial which was odd

[keen spruce]

they were scaled to s2 and you were locked to 440 ilvl

it was kinda weird

[raven egret]

Yeah they were testing mechanics, which... Fine. But tuning is a big ??

[clever sapphire]

i will probably be happy if i complete a 20 week 1, farming 20s week 1 was a joke

im not that big of a pusher to do those already

and i have insanely shit lootluck, meaning i usually dont even get gear that i can use

[lucid rain]

I have no evidence for my opinion but I think they were scaled way down for ptr

[keen spruce]

my group is gonna start with 16s i think and we're just hoping to keep those dropping hero track for us

without depleting them

[lucid rain]

people in 440 were crushing

[grim jay]

Its just a question of how much time you put into m+ week one

[raven egret]

Start by worrying getting a group that can clear those keys to begin with 🤣

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean if you do enough m+

[rugged wadi]

my realm is trying to rob me 20k for a recraft

[keen spruce]

you'll get enough gear to do 20s

[grim jay]

Yep

[keen spruce]

but depending on loot luck

you might need to do a LOT

[raven egret]

I'm feeling it. Nick will drop on my very first doti run

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

damn you guys doing a 27 this week, to start with a 16? insane

[keen spruce]

we no leavered a 28

got gunned down for like an hour in freehold

[clever sapphire]

ah thats also a pogchamp moment

[grim jay]

I mean a day has 24 hours. 30 min average, thats 48 a day in my book.

[raven egret]

I should have a 12 next week I think 🤔

[keen spruce]

very based gamer math

[clever sapphire]

assuming i dont do a key this week, and i have a 25 in my bags. Do i start with a 13?

[keen spruce]

i dunno

i wouldn't risk that though

just try to at least finish your highest key possible

or at least do a 20 no leaver or somethin

[little moth]

What makes the dagger from the mega dungeon good

[keen spruce]

time strike stat

free damage

[limber lion]

It sims the highest

:)

[little moth]

What does it do

[keen spruce]

damage

[grim jay]

Free scaling damage

[raven egret]

And it doesn't take an embellishment slot either to do so

[little moth]

Time strike is it just a random proc

[keen spruce]

basically it just occasionally throws a handful of gravel at the mob

but all of that gravel adds up to about 1% of your damage

[raven egret]

A random proc that other daggers don't have, therefore, Nick wins.

[lucid rain]

it's not particularly creative but drip is ready for next week

[keen spruce]

really gettin into the spirit of the tier

[lucid rain]

:)

[little moth]

My current xmog

[lucid rain]

that looks really nice

[raven egret]

I choose to represent #humanheritage

Will probably swap to the red variant actually

[little moth]

I was raiding and gah damn when you get that 1.5mil kingsbane it feels so good

[keen spruce]

i'm just sluttin it up rn

gotta look good while i can before i have to go dwarf to push title next season

[little moth]

I swapped my daggers to the purple version

[raven egret]

I'm rebuilding my UI tomorrow, will hit the dummy and ready up as a full on Sin rogue for the start of season. Took some days to decide vs Sub

[raven egret]

I'd ask you out. Great success

[clever sapphire]

play assa, you wont have to racechange to push title, profit

[little moth]

Sub just doesn’t feel as good to me with how all the damage is on secret techniques

[keen spruce]

holy it's 3:30am

i bedge

[plucky canopy]

Dwarf still so good in dungeon? I might swap after progression than I think

[raven egret]

... 6h30.
... Good night friends!

[thin radish]

In WA, anyone know how to change icons to display only when on CD?

[clever sapphire]

dwarf gives dmg reduction, you can remove bleeds and there is some bleed in a dungeon if i remember correctly

so yes

dwarf broken

buff undead

[plucky canopy]

Delete undead

Fixed it for ya

And fucking release khajiit

[steel spire]

Ne rogue for free vanish ez

[lucid rain]

buff nightborne

[drifting wing]

first time playing ass rogue
which of the m+ builds (from wowhead) is the best rn (without new tier) for m+ to try out
dragon blade or arterial shock?

[oblique wasp]

Hybrid for genrral, serious use. Arterial for easy farming lol levels

[plucky canopy]

I just want to permanent look like this

Fucking sick race if u ask me

[bold stream]

furry

[plucky canopy]

Nah man

It is just a sick race

[oblique wasp]

Its just Sudden demise is terrible for studying rotations in low diff dungeons

[slim hamlet]

Vulpera on stereoids

[ionic agate]

Anybody else getting passive icons on Hekili? Don’t know if it’s just me

[sick flume]

How we thinkin Sin is gonna end up in raid / M+ content. Middle of the packish?

[oblique wasp]

I forecast ok tier for raw damage and very good support spec

[royal lantern]

what

[slim hamlet]

what

[little moth]

I’m at the point where the changes are a huge improvement especially for mythic plus from what we had so it’s playable but as far as “meta” we won’t know until race to world first and mdi stuff happens#l

[ivory ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dry dagger]

Hekili

[slim hamlet]

I only just woke up

and someone called sin a supp spec

[sick flume]

Yeah. I mean I understand it’s a tough question to answer especially when there will be a large tuning pass here in a week - but wanted to see everyone’s thoughts

[oblique wasp]

Nooo im misinterpreted .. i meant that toolkit allows to help the group a lot, thats considered support no?

[royal lantern]

dont use that shit addon

even less for rogue, rogue is not even supported for it

you legit do 30% more.dmg by deleting it and just reading an opener for 2min

[slim hamlet]

You do 30% more by random guessing

[indigo mulch]

[lucid rain]

left side build loses value the longer it takes to kill stuff, is that right?

[indigo mulch]

I had to sit for an hour just to get it 😦

[lucid rain]

less time spent in execute?

[indigo mulch]

I'm old and i need muscle memory to do the opener.

[ionic agate]

Hekili no good?

I thought that’s the go to sim add on?

[indigo mulch]

No good.

Learn it

If your struggling with learning it. Try learning why you press the buttons and not just press them in a rotation. Maybe that helps

I need to do it like that. I need to know why i press the buttons

Sounds stupid but thats just how i work 😄

Whispyr has a lot of videos that he goes through everything.

Don't try to take the easy way out cause it wont help you in the long run.

[rugged grail]

Hey, what the the minimum hast percentage u need to play sin currently? I still have my full sub gear and no others piece so I'm like 2% haste kekw

[plucky canopy]

As much as simc tells u

There is no "you need that or that"

[rugged grail]

I mean can u play sin with 2% hast then

[indigo mulch]

crit and mastery is way more importan than haste is.

[plucky canopy]

Sure if simc tells u thats the best

[rugged grail]

I stat weighted my gear and hast is top with hybrid build so I Def need more hast

[plucky canopy]

Stat weights are bad

Just use top gear

Why didn't raidbots deleted that function by now? It has to be the most hated thing by every tc or?

[lucid rain]

is there any particular trinket from time rifts that would be useful to get before s3 starts?

currently using 441 dice and 437 beacon

[slim hamlet]

It is hidden so well away

I am suprised people find it

[indigo mulch]

it even says that its unrelaible and that you should use topgear 😄

[slim hamlet]

sim it

[lucid rain]

fair lol

[slim hamlet]

I don't think anyone has cared enough to find out

If anything it's minor for something you insta change

[plucky canopy]

It is a "bis" trinket for one week, yea its kinda w/e

[gusty mirage]

In their defense they hid it in a list at the bottom and it has a giant disclaimer now

[slim hamlet]

That won't stop me

because I can't read

[indigo mulch]

Noone reads the gigantic desclaimer saying "don't."

[gusty mirage]

Always knew you were truly an outlaw rogue at heart

[slim hamlet]

As if assassination rogues can read

[gusty mirage]

We have all the time in the world now to learn bucko

Go press crack shot 10 times in a row

[slim hamlet]

Can't

it's a passive

bozo

[gusty mirage]

Unlucky, can’t read and can’t play outlaw properly

Rip bozo

[slim hamlet]

See

I told you sins can't read either

[strange tiger]

does anyone know if the drake crest from rep count to the cap?

[static atlas]

Are any of the catch up trinkets better than a heroic incarenates icon or are they all terrible? It Sims higher than any of the season 2 world/time catch up trinkets even full upgrade :/

[slim hamlet]

99% sure they don't

[gusty mirage]

I want to say no, because I have way more whelp and drakes crests and they don’t seem to count toward the weekly cap

[slim hamlet]

am on 101 but only at 86 season cap

[plucky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

[slim hamlet]

so that would be the 15 I got from rep

[gusty mirage]

We’re all beta testing together it seems

[potent lintel]

anyone have the link to the guide on what to do week 1?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I gotchu, sec

[slim hamlet]

I think its just the rep awards not counting intentionally

but yea

[strange tiger]

ok cause i got to 90/90 and havent got any from the rep yet

[slim hamlet]

EU has been testing just as much this time

[slim hamlet]

Well I got the 15 extra somehow so if u got the campaign done it can only be that

[plucky canopy]

Does anyone know if you could hit renown 18 without the seed grind shit from yesterday? Currently sitting on 12,5 and have around 7k rep in my pocket (excluding human and dark moon buff)

[gusty mirage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TJKCV2sU3qTknYQkHUFvbeafY2oDyJfAx9HQoq-kTl4/edit#gid=236789394 @potent lintel

[potent lintel]

thanks

[slim hamlet]

U can get 8400 rep if you do every single possible seed for 14 hours a day the next 6 days

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-adventure-time-lemongrab-freakout-armflail-gif-5515437

[slim hamlet]

So probably

[royal lantern]

NA slacking

[lucid rain]

[slim hamlet]

probably gonna do that

[lucid rain]

not sure why my dslice damage is so low though

[slim hamlet]

I got dog trinkets

[gusty mirage]

Don’t blame us, they delayed our maintenance like 5 hours

[slim hamlet]

1 hour at a time

[indigo mulch]

I lost like 10k dps when the patch hit ;c

[gusty mirage]

We’re were so close to a global release

[indigo mulch]

haha

[slim hamlet]

Ours didn't have any maintenance

skill issue ngl

Beta testing even when not able to beta test

[surreal citrus]

playing on us from eu fucking sucks when blizzard are incapable of pushing a patch without an extra 6 hours of delay

[gusty mirage]

Small indie company

We just don’t get it

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait for 6 hour delay on raid release with no delay for EU

Twitter gonna blow up

[surreal citrus]

multi dollar company

[gusty mirage]

Same, cause that means I won’t have to raid Tuesday

[slim hamlet]

is tuesday bad

Can't wait for new patch raid lag

[gusty mirage]

World boss releases when raids out

[plucky canopy]

Ah it's almost time for the "but xy hours headstart" "but only progress time matters"

[gusty mirage]

Remember azure span for the first 3 months?

[slim hamlet]

I honestly never lagged

[plucky canopy]

God it gets me good everytime

[slim hamlet]

huge skill issue for legit everyone else

[surreal citrus]

same

[gusty mirage]

Maybe you’re always lagging so you never notice

[slim hamlet]

Only in valdrakken

[broken leaf]

a general question, is Assassination more prominent in raid currently?

[slim hamlet]

bruh

Why do I gotta get the wyrm one

[gusty mirage]

We’ll have to wait and see how it shakes up, I wouldn’t take anything from aberrus seriously

Cause yeah

[slim hamlet]

[uncut nexus]

Hard mode activated

[hardy dagger]

[plucky canopy]

Fated spoiler

[gusty mirage]

Imagine killing triple sark and not getting a beacon or dagger

[silent palm]

none of these sim higher than what I got MT. Only for ST.

[gusty mirage]

[plucky canopy]

Delete that

Don't give them ideas

[gusty mirage]

Mythic zskarn was also spawning the dispel from experiments

This fated preview sucks

[slim hamlet]

Oxi going around leaking again

classic

[uncut nexus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thin furnace]

Do we always use 2 shivs for KB or one for the last ticks is fine? (Outside opener)

[slim hamlet]

full kb

[thin furnace]

Same with Deathmark?

[slim hamlet]

you use dm and kb same time

[thin furnace]

Damn thats true, sorry

Thx so much

[dusky rose]

Any good addons for Bleed tracking on name plates? Hard on AOE

[spice surge]

We had literally zero issues last night in aberrus

[soft shale]

maybe it was on tuesday

you know extended beta testing day

[grand trail]

we going attempt to last kill of sark today

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs plater profile

[rugged wadi]

ur game also super slow?

[amber blaze]

is it better to keep reput token to use it at wow anniversary week ?

or it will not be counted in ?

[rugged wadi]

19% buff so yea

[amber blaze]

we sure it will be buffed with it ?

[rugged wadi]

thats what everyone are saying :-?

[plucky canopy]

Nobody knows

[rugged wadi]

never be sure about anything when it comes to wow

so possible one of the devs have a fight with his wife tonight

and decide to change everything tomorrow

nobody knows

[amber blaze]

has someone tried to change a veteran object in tierset ? I guess it doesn't work yet

[plucky canopy]

Never expect something which is not made public by Blizzard, and even worse don't blame them if it does not work just because you expected that from rumors

[last fjord]

guys which target dummies do u use for AOE?

[clever sapphire]

the ones in brackenhide or freehold preferably

[plucky canopy]

More than one, but that's the obvious one

[potent lintel]

wheres the guide on whether you should upgrade week 1 or not

[plucky canopy]

Doesn't matter tbh

[plucky canopy]

One sec

[clever sapphire]

upgrade what exactly

[potent lintel]

like should I spend my crests upgrading geer I fouond during week 1

or wait til week 2

[plucky canopy]

I think it's this one you looking for?

[clever sapphire]

ah you mean that, i probably wouldnt think much about it

just upgrade the gear that you think is good enough to upgrade

[strong sleet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[plucky canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166658216814444554/1167188377909612605/image.png

Don't know if that's still accurate

[potent lintel]

i thought renown 18 is not possible yet

[plucky canopy]

It is/was

[spice spire]

It was

[plucky canopy]

With spamming seeds all day

I am around 16 without spamming seeds

[rare jackal]

how

[plucky canopy]

I am at 12,5 and have all the token to reach 16.5 still in my back

Alt human into main human and doing everything

Min max till 9.99

Use 2.5k rep token

Enjoy free 12.5 renown

[clever sapphire]

i am renown 4, and im happy with that

[plucky canopy]

Cuz u get the full double value even if you get above r10 with that token

[clever sapphire]

feck grinding renown, i wanna play keys

i dont care about some world content

im a hater

[plucky canopy]

But I think I cannot reach 18 this week

[plucky canopy]

I am a degen rep grind enjoyer

[clever sapphire]

after i got my spark i logged off

[plucky canopy]

Understandable

[clever sapphire]

gonna get the spark on all my chars that i plan on playing, than close the game till next week

thats my plan

[royal lantern]

congratz, you achieved "healthy way to play a game"

[clever sapphire]

i have 2 rogues, are you sure about that

[burnt venture]

Same bro lol. If you want augment rune just buy off AH 😆

[clever sapphire]

yap thats what im gonna do if i really feel like i need that shit

[plucky canopy]

What's that?

Hidden rep?

[potent lintel]

Is there any point of saving drake crests for next week when youll be likely farming +16 keys and above and getting better gear than a fully upgraded drake gear at this point?

[plucky canopy]

As said in my screenshot

Ideally u use the crest to get everything to 463

[royal lantern]

ye

for that one you need to peel the skin of your eyelids for 2rep everytime you do it

[plucky canopy]

Alright brb grabbing a mirror

[clever sapphire]

dont forget the peeler

[rugged wadi]

hey guys i dont know if u know this or not but it seems they buffed rep

plants are giving me 250 each

they were giving 20 per yesterday

[clever sapphire]

didnt do a single plant yet

[rugged wadi]

ez rep

[clever sapphire]

plants are world content, im a big enemy of world content, im also a hater of rep farming

i also fly with pathfinder everywhere now that i have unlocked it

[rugged wadi]

ok dont do it

[static glacier]

Enemy of world content 😂😂😂

What a title

[normal mist]

Cursed stays home all day

He hates world content

😛

[clever sapphire]

actually im at work sadly

[static glacier]

I’m baking some bread

[clever sapphire]

but it do be true, i only go out when needed

[flint tusk]

ahh but having a plan is only part of the equation.
you have to actually stick to it

[static glacier]

Good thing world content is optional af

[flint tusk]

in before a 48 hour gaming sesh chasing seeds

[static glacier]

Ever thought about instead of grinding rep going to boost and spending gold on augment runes

[clever sapphire]

sadly working was implemented as a must, shitty design if you ask me

[static glacier]

Even on end bosses you’d spend at most 200-300k on augment runes for prog

[clever sapphire]

bosses dont drop loot, and pvp is kinda against the rules if its done in a smaller version

[normal mist]

It's funny because me, as a casual heroic raider, couldn't care less about the Perma Aug.runes

[rugged wadi]

300k? how many times u wipe before getting the kill? jesus

[static glacier]

For most of the playerbase

[clever sapphire]

im in an almsot CE guild and i still dont give a crap about them

would actually get it if it was 10k instead of 100

[static glacier]

Sark was like 200 pulls

Aug runes were like 1-2k ea

[rugged wadi]

200 is not that bad

2.4

[static glacier]

They went to 2.4? Bruh

[rugged wadi]

yea they always been above 2k

[distant helm]

They are 1.4 on eu

[rugged wadi]

cheap

[static glacier]

Either way, genuinely most players would get more out of spending time getting better at their class / boosting + buying Aug runes for harder bosses late in prog

But we enjoy grinding as a playerbase I think

Even if we say we don’t

[rugged wadi]

i agree but there is no contect to play at the moment

and honestly this grind is notthat bad

u go everbloom event

u get the stuff

u plant them

then u chill in discord for 2-3 minutes

and its done

[static glacier]

Yeah it’s not that bad agreed

[clever sapphire]

if it was M+ or raid grinding sure

[static glacier]

You remember expac launch and hunt / ration rep grind?

[rugged wadi]

speaking of m+ bro

[clever sapphire]

heck i would even grind pvp if queue wasnt 20-30 minutes

[rugged wadi]

why max gear from m+ equils to normal raid gg

[static glacier]

I think people enjoy power gains and are willing to grind for them

[clever sapphire]

i remember it, i didnt touch it

[plucky canopy]

5x times per week (first five) after that 5/seed

[static glacier]

Best thing is wow gives us options

[rugged wadi]

imagine u get the same gear from M40 than u get from normal raid and u might even get higher ilvl from normal raid if the item is rare lmao

[static glacier]

None of these grinds matter beyond like 10 days from now

[royal lantern]

bruh

the casual wannabe pro heroic raiders are the guys malding over it

cus like

if you play in 1 of the 10 guilds where runes matter

you would not waste time grinding that shit

[static glacier]

Everyone will have the runes by the time their guild is on later bosses anyway

[royal lantern]

and instead get more alts up for splits

and then buy runes

[clever sapphire]

bold of you to assume im gonna even achieve renown 8

[static glacier]

Excluding maybe the very bleeding edge

[static glacier]

Just do weekly and nothing else, save tokens for wow 19th anniversary

[clever sapphire]

my highest current rep with any dragonflight shit is 10

[static glacier]

You’ll have the Aug rune in 2-3 weeks

[rugged wadi]

its really not that bad like im not even doing them on my main

im on my alt

[plucky canopy]

But but if I love the Grind?

[rugged wadi]

my alt is getting geared

while im farming rep

and chilling in discord

beside if not that there is litteraly nothing else to do

[clever sapphire]

tbh seeing as my second rogue is only 430, and im bored this week. If noone calls me to play something else, im probably gonna do rares and whatnot on that rogue to get gear xD

may accidentally get renown

[rugged wadi]

do u have farlight 84?

[clever sapphire]

what

[rugged wadi]

bro

what world do u live in

its like #1 battle royal in the world right now

[clever sapphire]

i hate battle royales

[rugged wadi]

u hate everything

[clever sapphire]

royals*

yes i do

cause i suck at battle royals

xD

tried fortnite, 3 games, killed myself in 2 by accident

last one i got sniped from 200 meters

i uninstalled it

[rugged wadi]

lmao

[lucid rain]

trying out hybrid on the 5 dummies in valdrakken

does this spread look right?

[rugged wadi]

where is ur improived garrote :-?

improved*

[clever sapphire]

inside garrote probably

[lucid rain]

bundled with garrote I imagine

[clever sapphire]

dropdown

[rugged wadi]

hmm

[clever sapphire]

also i expected spatter higher ngl, where you spamming CT instead of envenom?

(no idea how it should look tho, just personal feeling after messing around yesterday)

[normal mist]

I'll be real with you, I haven't used runes since legion xDDDD

[lucid rain]

I was trying to keep CT up 100% of the time

[pulsar dirge]

Hear me out: How do you feel about getting acrobatic strikes in m+(losing one point in TT and vigor) . I feel without it you have to cast more garrotes and ruptures during IC cause none of the packs are neatly stacked. Thats 's probably something you cant sim unfortunately

[chilly viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

its litearlly in the guide mate

lol

[static glacier]

Spatter isn’t actually that high generally

[clever sapphire]

i mean if you just kept it up 100% of the time, did envenom the other parts of the fight than i would assume that this is correct

[lucid rain]

I probably didn't do everything correctly since I only started playing sin yesterday

[pulsar dirge]

I saw whispyr's youtube video he is talking about dropping TT for echoing reprimand and it's just to drop buttons, Im specifically talking about IC and feel, gonna check the guide again

[clever sapphire]

keep up dots, spatter/envenom one target, do your cooldowns correctly

if you did that, you did it good

[lucid rain]

I think I need more envenom uptime, but I'm spending a lot of time re-upping ruptures

[clever sapphire]

do you use fok or mutilate to build?

i mean did you

[lucid rain]

fok

usually 1-2 fans per rupture

[clever sapphire]

aight, make sure you keep envenom up cause thats also more dmg. So like 2 rupture casts and after that envenom is most likely about to fall off

[lucid rain]

I see

[clever sapphire]

you can also use the time after vanish to spread ruptures. On 5 targets it would take you 2 rupture casts to have it on everyone because of IC

[fallen forge]

anyone gotta weakaura that will have a mark on 3 sec left of kb kinda like how there was one for sepsis

[oblique wasp]

Im gonna be creating one later today, if it works we can share

[potent lintel]

what are most people crafting this week?

[clever sapphire]

toxic boots are likely your best long term thing to craft

weapon is short term craft

would decide between the 2

[potent lintel]

and to be clear all crafted items are capped at 473?

[strange python]

I thought toxic boots were bad now, we wanted double blue-silken?

[clever sapphire]

486 according to this picture

[clever sapphire]

thats sub

[strange python]

oh boy

[drifting light]

There is a KB timer bar with marks for that, shiv and tea

[clever sapphire]

outlaw and assa seem to be sticking with toxic boots and toxic patch

[strange python]

i'm stuck with em now so

[clever sapphire]

for sub double silken is bis, but boots and toxic patch are close behind

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

am i wrong?

can still delete

[strong sleet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[fallen forge]

oh thats perfect, do you have a link for it by any chance?

[grim jay]

2x silken is bis for the worse m+ build

St its 2x shadowflame

BiS standard m+ is lariat and silken

[clever sapphire]

i just read the pin and my brain deciphered that pin as double silken bis

[grim jay]

Im not sure how far stuff is apart