assassination

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

Yeah

I hope you have a great week

Rekt noob

[slate crown]

[nocturne hawk]

I giv creds sheeeee

[outer cairn]

you don't need to anymore

it does it automatically with blindside

[jagged yoke]

what do you mean? arent they still separate abilities?

[slate crown]

No

They did a fusion dance

[keen spruce]

when blindside procs, mutilate gets replaced by ambush

[nocturne hawk]

like weeks ago

[keen spruce]

i mean weeks ago on ptr yeah

today on live

[outer cairn]

yeah huge qol

[rustic minnow]

Does sin have any bugged talents like sub atm?

[outer cairn]

ambush does apply the debuff for caustic spatter now though right?

[keen spruce]

i believe that was fixed yeah

[honest vessel]

can't wait til they make it so pressing mut with full cp envenoms instead c:

[outer cairn]

ok. tooltip doesn't reflect it so wasn't sure

[novel arrow]

Guys do we have to cap the vault this week or no?

[balmy condor]

no

this week is a season 2 vault

[arctic hare]

!whispyr

nope, didn't work lmao

trying to find an updated weakaura to use

[outer cairn]

also looks like we just do the quick open now

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic hare]

oh, those are ALL updated? damn.

[jagged yoke]

can we macro shadowdance and kingsbane?

[dark token]

Yes

You may want a separate bind for dance for m+ usage tho

[jagged yoke]

would m+ kinda just use kingsbane on cd tho?

[outer cairn]

i do keep trying to hit my old keybind for ambush with bs procs

[sweet dawn]

Caustic spatter applies on ambush now

[arctic hare]

he was talking about SD

[sweet dawn]

My b dawg

I'm tired

And... Can't read?

[dark token]

Maybe you desync them or you wanna dance and garrote a bunch before ur kingsbane

[arctic hare]

How do I import Whispyr's plater profile?

[torn atlas]

am i missing something here? dont improved garrote and subterfuge conflict with each other?

[dark token]

You mean overlap, yes

Subterfuge let's you get some ambushes as builders especially in the opener

[torn atlas]

okay cheers

[storm forum]

ok so

spatter owns

[runic hinge]

You own

[storm forum]

ty

[runic hinge]

Are we taking AP in every key this season or what

[thin portal]

does Zolyck and Sudden Demise stack?

kind of hard to talent them both tho

both 35% damage boosters 😮

i mena

they both boost damage, not 35% each lol.

[dark token]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I mean sudden demise doesn't really "boost damage"

it's by definition inefficient

[thin portal]

Sudden Demise looked lack luster in the description yeah

[balmy condor]

but it takes zoldyck into account when it's doing damage

sudden demise is not lackluster in the slightest

shit is crazy strong

[thin portal]

thats why im testing it 😮

[dark token]

I mean it's got a passive 40% bleed dmg

In addition to execute

[balmy condor]

what

it's got a passive 10%

[thin portal]

^

yes 10% bleed dmg passive.

[azure surge]

Idk guys, clearly says 40%

[dark token]

Did number change during ptr or did I hallucinate a 4 because I wanted it to be a 4

It's 4 am I don't even know dude

[thin portal]

well, it should be a 4...

[balmy condor]

you giga halluncinated a 4

40% bleed damage is insane lmao

[dark token]

Must have been a wet dream

[balmy condor]

we would forcibly pick that in all content

[thin portal]

wet dream confirmed. Blood everywhere.

[balmy condor]

the passive bleed damage alone would be like

easily an 8% talent

in single target

that's like DTB levels of good

[dark token]

Well it is a capstone...

[balmy condor]

not for single target it's not

[thin portal]

hehe

I gotta say

[balmy condor]

if sudden demise is good in single target something is very wrong

[thin portal]

Indiscriminate Carnage is still bad.

[balmy condor]

what

[tall cloak]

I love it

[thin portal]

2 targets >_>

then you have to vanish again to activate

[dark token]

I like it but I think I would have preferred the sub replicating shadows version instead where it's permanent on

Vs just in stealth

[astral leaf]

Aneurism mode engaged

[thin portal]

it looks like tempest is still main aoe to me

cant go without it for M+

[dark token]

Nah it's garrote and caustic

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Have you read any guides at all

[balmy condor]

I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage I will not engage

[thin portal]

oh I havn't tried caustic yet im just debating in my head still on talents.

[runic hinge]

Or anything about 10.2 today?

[thin portal]

im just speaking out my ass sorry guys.

[dark token]

Ye spam it you will do big dam

[thin portal]

first impressions for me.

[runic hinge]

Your best bet is to read the wowhead or IV guide in the pins

Then come back after you’re slightly informed

[thin portal]

im curious how much Caustic actually adds up to

[astral leaf]

Shit ton

[thin portal]

nice

[dark token]

Just look at dslice sim breakdown

It should be in ur top 3 dmg probably in a dungeon

[thin portal]

oh thats big

is Sin high KPM to play yet

I keep going to outlaw for that.

looks like a lot of new things to play out now.

[shut owl]

what is kpm?

[tribal hornet]

apm probably

[shut owl]

you get one kingsbane per minute

[thin portal]

did i say it wrong

keypress per minute or something

[runic hinge]

Usually it’s action

[thin portal]

action per minute?

[runic hinge]

And no, it’s lower than last patch

Yes

[thin portal]

got it, i see.

[eternal heath]

Oh I gotta get a new crest/fragment WA

[thin portal]

well Im still a rogue at heart. Gotta play Sin and Outlaw and see which one I like.

i didnt play sub last season

not sure how that was.

hows everyone like Sin right now?

feels goey like melted butter?

i mean melting caramel

😮

[dark token]

I can see people in sub channel just dying from all the slightly diff builds that all take dust

[errant swallow]

are you guys recrafting stuff to haste/mastery or something?

[dark token]

If ur switching from outlaw or sub sure

I crafted 2 extra pieces of haste mast jewlery

[errant swallow]

Im currently crafted mastery/crit

[dark token]

Then sim urself but sounds not worth

[errant swallow]

Simming right now, just curious

[dark token]

I was heavy crit vers so I moved 2 pieces to mast haste

Based on my sim

[thin portal]

anyone ran some interesting

[balmy condor]

don't use stat weights

[drifting cloud]

damn those are gonna be big 20dps gains

[errant swallow]

brb, cat playing with something

[thin portal]

anyone ran some M+ yet

how did you feel

im making dinner or id be playing

[dark token]

I'm pretty sure raidbots hides stat weights sim on the page and says warning don't use this when you try to run a sim lol

[errant swallow]

mb

[jagged yoke]

what poisons do we use?

[thin portal]

Amp and deadly last time i looked

[errant swallow]

ap/dp

[thorn fjord]

So whats the cast sequence for our second DM?

Where do i squeeze the imp garrote in

Do I use 1 gcd in SD for it?

[runic hinge]

You’re always gonna garrote in SD for nightstalker

[thorn fjord]

Should that be the first button i press after pressing SD?

like SD Gar KB Shiv?

[dark token]

No

KB first always

Shiv before dance always

[thorn fjord]

and wheres the DM?

[dark token]

Sequence is envenom, (deathmark), shiv, dance + KB(macro if u want), garrote , envenom, build to 5, rupture

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-patrick-stewart-patrick-stewart-engage-serious-gif-12281820

[dark token]

Always those abilities in order

[thorn fjord]

ty bro

[thin portal]

well damn, i only kept my outlaw gear

[dark token]

It's fine

[thin portal]

will test anyways

[dark token]

Sin doesn't really care stats as much as other specs

It's more balanced

[thin portal]

coo

[rotund wagon]

I hate that answer, obv sim is king but don’t act like we all aren’t gonna end up with a bunch of crit and mastery on our stuff

[dark token]

In full outlaw gear except weapons and trinkets sin simmed only 2% behind bis gear

It really doesn't matter lol

[gusty mirage]

my degeneracy has been spotted

[dark token]

I liked ptr seeing some random NA peeps again

[spice spire]

Wait

Wasn’t that a regular?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

Is that the person I’m thinking of

[azure surge]

God I miss her

[gusty mirage]

you're thinking of our friend @storm belfry

[lime willow]

gone but never forgotten

[spice spire]

No I’m thinking of someone banned

[oak sky]

I miss me

[spice spire]

I’d literally never forget cyon I miss him daily @storm belfry Stop playing resto Druid

[gusty mirage]

????

[spice spire]

God what a king

I see him in the Druid disc

So I assumed

Sue me bozo

[thin portal]

so i been listening to phonk music

and playing rogue

I think it goes together well

im liking the blind buff, I havnt even used it yet.

[rugged wadi]

Vanish during the last 3 seconds of Kingsbane to utilize Master Assassin. this is what wowhead suggests but wouldnt it be better to still use vanish for improved garrote before deathmark?

[balmy condor]

that's what dance is for

[rugged wadi]

ok

There is something I'm having problem with which I don't undestand why or how to fix it, so if i make a macro exp
#stt
/cast mutilate
/use 14
that macro works regardless of blindside proc (it will cast mutilate or ambush)
but if i make a macro with castsequnce ex
#stt
/castsequence reset=20 mutilate, mutilate, mutilate, mutilate
the macro will break if blindside is proced

Any suggestion how to fix this?

[arctic hare]

Whats the base ilvl I can craft the toxic thorn footwraps at with the spark of dreams?

[gusty mirage]

450

to 463

[subtle stream]

this is feeling extremely nerfy

[arctic hare]

oh thats nuts lmao

[nocturne hawk]

Why do this today... when you can do it tomorrow

[arctic hare]

True.

Is there a good place to get that singular splintered spark of dreams?

[static fable]

!whispyr

[thin portal]

where did you say the current guide is at?

ill check wowhead I read someone said that earlier.

[balmy condor]

pins

[brittle basin]

is there a way to filter out the deathmark debuff duplicates on plater?

[storm belfry]

I am abusing alt rep

and my rogue is human

love n miss yall

[strange python]

Sin sims keep looking worse 😦

[nocturne hawk]

yo face keep looking worse

[spice spire]

Wild what happens when there’s bugs

[thorn fjord]

topped dps every boss tonight so far lol

[strange python]

My hype is fading

[thorn fjord]

feels really nice

[void pecan]

week 1 season start bug fix/tunings coming, big stonks. bet.

[balmy condor]

your hype is fading because the sim number went down?

[strange python]

Yep.

[balmy condor]

yikes

[strange python]

I want do big number.

[balmy condor]

that's some fotm brainrot if I've ever seen it

[strange python]

People like doing big number.

[thorn fjord]

we do big number

[nocturne hawk]

[strange python]

I want do biggest number

[nocturne hawk]

PTR chat was way better ngl

[errant swallow]

My take:
I will be playing Sin in raids, Outlol in keys and sub in pvp.

[runic hinge]

Heroic raid?

[thorn fjord]

mythic

[runic hinge]

Dang son

[thorn fjord]

we stopped at nelth

[runic hinge]

Not bad

[velvet ridge]

wow i didnt realize how much i had to actively put caustic spatter on enemies in M+ i thought it was gonna be auto, but its really something

[errant swallow]

dance + kb macro sounds fun

[subtle stream]

apologies for the stupid question. where can i find 10.2 trees?

[burnt venture]

Wow head

[subtle stream]

other than amirdrassil, obvs

groovy.. I made the mistake of finding icyveins first

[balmy condor]

icyveins has the same builds

[cerulean nest]

man the no acro is rough lol

did a reclear and you gotta be UNDER those boys

[rugged wadi]

i love this wa 😄 https://wago.io/UrE1VZprN

[outer cairn]

hmmm. is that right? I earned a splintered spark of dreams from one dude, then I turned in a quest to lady moonberry which was to give me two splintered sparks which means I should have 3 but i only had 2 total

[balmy condor]

the quest costs 1 splinter

to give you 2

[outer cairn]

guess i should read

[crude hornet]

very confused on how sudden demise works. just looking at from questing, it seems like it does a small chunk of damage when they hit 35%, not fatal damage

Am i missing something with this?

[balmy condor]

the mob has to be under 35% to even consider the effect

at that point, every bleed tick checks if the total remaining bleed damage on the target exceeds 150% of the remaining health

so if gar+rup+ct is 150 damage remaining

the mob needs to be under 100 hp

if that is true

the mob dies

[crude hornet]

So i would expect every quest mob to basically go from 35% to 0% if they have gar/rupture up considering im fighting like 200k health mobs, im confused why that isnt happening, and ill see mobs take a little bit of damage from sudden demise and not die from it

[balmy condor]

you probably are killing them before a bleed tick has a chance to tick

[gusty mirage]

🫠

[storm belfry]

Yeah I’m almost 9

But my baby made me get off

[gusty mirage]

I think this weakaura is broken or wrong

cause uh

[storm belfry]

And I lost my rhythm so I’m going to bed

[gusty mirage]

2 of these side quests don't exist

and one is stuck at 7/8

lol

[storm belfry]

One doesn’t come till next week

[gusty mirage]

which one

TELL ME YOUR SECRETS

[velvet ridge]

my character is constantly on fire in the new zone and dieing, and i dont know why

[nocturne hawk]

@balmy condor yo memes aside, thanks for all the work my dude. It's much appreciated

[storm belfry]

I’m going off of like

2 Google docs

You want the sauce

[gusty mirage]

I think I have one of them

[storm belfry]

I imagine you have

[gusty mirage]

but I cba tracking it

[storm belfry]

Mf

[crude hornet]

Maybe its MSBT timing thats confusing me or something, im seeing sudden demise damage pop up before a mob actually dies

[storm belfry]

The dragon in hand

I think it is

Idr doing that

[rose adder]

would you craft a weapon and consider it safe or is nick of time bis to a point where the crafted weapon is junk

[storm belfry]

Oh wait

[balmy condor]

ty

[balmy condor]

seems fine for me

[storm belfry]

wtf is that wa oxi

Hi whispyr

You handsome devil

[gusty mirage]

lemme link you

https://wago.io/TamasDragonflightHelper

same one I used for rares in s1

[storm belfry]

I see

Man I didn’t get to kill rares on main

I guess it’s okay

[grim coral]

well, turns out my insulated mug is insulating very well, that hurt

[crude hornet]

Mob is not dead, yet sudden demise damage is showing. Top 10 things science cannot explain

[storm belfry]

Should hit 10 on alt tomorrow

[storm belfry]

[storm belfry]

I can’t bro it’s in my blood

[past forum]

ive literally never felt this strong while questing before

we're so fucking back

[grim coral]

yknow what should be in your blood? @storm belfry poisons

mostly blood though

you should get that rdruid stuff checked out

[slate crown]

My map is empty

how do

where

[past forum]

how much of the rep stuff is daily?

[balmy condor]

hello

[storm belfry]

[crude hornet]

am i losing my mind? how is this possible? either the mob doesnt dies before sudden demise procs or it dies to sudden demise, what is this random 67k number

[gray hazel]

I don’t know what it is, but I just can’t seem to like shadow dance, why I never played sub to begin with.

Might be too boomer for it with the stealth bar always taking over and messin me up

[tame cloak]

do we do m0 this week or wut

[hexed basin]

how far behind dance is no dance on ST?

[grim coral]

im not a big fan of dance, but i do not like

[gray hazel]

Feel like we have to learn to do it, I don’t know if there is a no dance M+ build

[slate crown]

Not sure if you'll like this answer but the way most of us seem to get around this is to never have a stealth bar to begin with, simply making all bars the same. It's what I do, so dance never shuffles my abilities around, they're always in the same place

[grim coral]

^^

[fierce tulip]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

If you're already breaking them apart because of keybinds, then suggesting making all buttons available at all times is probably not what you want to hear because it does mean more keybinds.

[gray hazel]

Yeah, I know that’s what I have to do, but I’ve had abilities on spots for a decade now

Trying to relearn sucks ass

[slate crown]

For sure, I understand this. Just takes time with it

[gray hazel]

It’s mainly just envenom and cheap I have to deal with, since their both on 3 heh

Or I might just wait to we what pvp meta is, if they don’t dance then neither will I 😈

[signal badger]

!whispyr

[slate crown]

But it's also a muscle to flex and exercise. I've played since 2005 and I've been able to challenge myself on keybinds I thought were set in stone, and trying to be more flexible has led to the process being easier

[gusty mirage]

the rares

[slate crown]

FWIW in pve content, cheapshot is a rarely, if ever, used button

[gusty mirage]

like 3-5% I can't remember what whispyr said

[patent snow]

Has anyone tried using Hekili? It's promting to use Shiv during dance which seems wrong.

[gusty mirage]

you shiv in dance w/ kingsbane so it's not entirely wrong

[unique sorrel]

did someone make a plater mod for spatter recoloring?

[gusty mirage]

but those rotation helpers kinda fall apart when rotations get complex/conditional

[slate crown]

Technically you don't shiv during dance

You shiv the global before, then the 2nd global after it fades

[balmy condor]

how tf you at 9

[gusty mirage]

bro I'm assembled uniquely

but human + dmf

[balmy condor]

oh

degeneracy

I see

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait to redo all of this on my main when I get to renown 10 on this shit alt

[balmy condor]

???

why

just don't

[gusty mirage]

wdym

you save like 3-4 weeks on the infinite augment rune grind

why would I not do it

[balmy condor]

holy you're actually degenerate

no shot

[deft vault]

can we do the a dragon in hand questline yet?

[gusty mirage]

I don't think so

[deft vault]

A passed torch either?

[gusty mirage]

??? I literally sat in the obsidian sanctum week 1 and got bffs with wrathion in 10.0

wdym no shot

[balmy condor]

yes

and you were ill for that

seek help

[gusty mirage]

this was the best I could do, nothing else on the map

[deft vault]

the fuck how are you 9 then

ive done all of that too and im 7 lol

[slate crown]

where does memory start

[gusty mirage]

human + dmf

[earnest remnant]

nerd

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

im taking it slow with it

i have like 410 augment runes anyway

gonna last be for a good bit

[slate crown]

I'm just glad that they fixed the rep threshold bug

where you could bank up a bunch of tokens until you are at like 2499/2500 at renown 9

then click them all at once and keep the 100% bonus for a few seconds after hitting 10

doing that was tedious as fuck

[kindred carbon]

Still seems like assassin has energy problems :/

[shy pecan]

What were the conditions for when you could have improved garrote but not have it NS empowered (or vice versa)?

[kindred carbon]

Using the AP build

[snow hamlet]

What is dmf

[gusty mirage]

darkmoon faire

[slate crown]

Former: Sepsis

[snow hamlet]

[slate crown]

Latter uh... take off the imp garrote talent

[snow hamlet]

Tks

[shy pecan]

Right, I forgot about Sepsis. Was trying to find it but I think it was in the PTR channel 😦

[balmy condor]

what's your definition of "energy problems"

[woven frost]

I might be in the minority but I kind of miss having IC as a button.

[slate crown]

oh sick they added a teleport option to the dream with the wyrmhole

[arctic hare]

And that my good sirs, is a 463 toxic thorn boots!

[slate crown]

without having to do anything

[cyan kestrel]

Is there a reason not to macro Dance into KB for raid? (Dance then Kb)

[balmy condor]

no

[slate crown]

@gusty mirage did you get all the rep treasures too?

[gusty mirage]

ya

[pulsar apex]

if im learning Assassin.. would playing AP version of the M+ build be better because its closer to the single target build? ie has tea.

[balmy condor]

they all have tea

[balmy condor]

the gameplay should be basically the same

[pulsar apex]

doesnt have tea

[kindred carbon]

so im using the AP build and just running out of energy at some points and just sitting waiting for it to regen. Am I doing something wrong orrrrrrr is that just how it is?

[balmy condor]

thats intended design

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock ???

[kindred carbon]

o :c

[balmy condor]

what this

[kindred carbon]

does the DTB build have less of the energy problem or not really?

[pulsar apex]

the mythic+ page recommends the DTB without tea

[kindred carbon]

also I thought envenom was supposed to cleave but maybe im remembering it wrong?

[balmy condor]

the same

[gusty mirage]

it does with your spatter target

[fleet coral]

nope da bomb cleaves and its have a chance to pop when you envenom

[balmy condor]

the spec is slow

and you have to manage your energy

[kindred carbon]

Ah ok

[balmy condor]

that's a core foundational gameplay feature of the spec

[kindred carbon]

just didnt know if it was a me problem

[balmy condor]

nop

[kindred carbon]

ty

[balmy condor]

yeh idk this build is weird

[gusty mirage]

do you want me to fix it for him

[balmy condor]

i mean idk

seli might've just said fuck it acro

and gone with that

[pulsar apex]

is the wowhead more uptodater?

[balmy condor]

we updated at the same time

it should all be the same info

for all I know, seli just decided to run acro in his m+ build as a recommendation

which would be fine

but the build looks goofy to me

[fleet coral]

still sepsis better ? think i missed exsang 😦

[balmy condor]

we don't use sepsis

[pulsar apex]

the wowhead one looks 'right' ... tea + DTB

for M+

btw ty for all the hard work the videos. they have been just great.

[fleet coral]

ah so is there exsang back or kingsbane meta ?

[marble hemlock]

that is indeed the thing, yes

[balmy condor]

please refer to the guides in the pins

[marble hemlock]

ill rename it and add the no-acro version for those who like getting hit by mechanics in m+ :p

[fleet coral]

ah ok ma bad i've just checked discord guides

[pulsar apex]

ty all

[kindred carbon]

In AOE if im using spatter do I just want to refresh tempest when the timer runs out or like am I building with evicerate in AOE or Fan?

[balmy condor]

what

[gusty mirage]

rename deez

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest is a bleed you want to maintain in aoe always

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor real talk though, if you were to pick up acro, what would you drop?

[kindred carbon]

Ok so I realize I didnt word that very well.

If I have splatter am I wanting to build with fan or evicerate

[balmy condor]

I mean your build is perfectly reasonable if the goal is taking leeching and acro

[marble hemlock]

yeah basically

choice was like

lethality vs ER

cuz i dont think vigor is the play

[balmy condor]

it's just like a solid 3% worse overall

[marble hemlock]

ye

[arctic hare]

Hey Whispyr, why is it that your plater profile flashes?

like, the bar flashes white, is there a specific reasoning behind it or what?

[marble hemlock]

i feel like... leeching/acro is worth 3%, but thats just my opinion ofc. so ill add the ultra omega maxdps build even though i dont recommend people play it :p

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

acro being worth 3% isn't only your opinion

[balmy condor]

i have no clue what that is

[gusty mirage]

realz said it himself, it's a dps talent even if it does nothing for sim dps

[arctic hare]

Hmm, weird

[pulsar apex]

the Leeching Acro is still the recommended build as default on IV btw. just FYi.

[arctic hare]

I originally thought it could be ticks of my bleeds, but idk about that now

[marble hemlock]

well yeah, thats been my stance for a long time as well

[balmy condor]

yep, I can definitely add the leeching + acro into wowhead as well

just want to make sure we're on the same page

[marble hemlock]

i know. i personally, as the author, believe it to be the superior choice. but i should still offer you, the reader, the highest dps choice too, otherwise im not informing you correctly. so ill add that build to the page, itll just take a bit before its pushed live

[arctic hare]

And it only seems to start once Caustic spatter is on.

[feral mason]

Not sure how it is this season but last season had a fair bit of spinners that you could continue hitting with acro

[gusty mirage]

stop guilting me into adding shadowdust to my guide

[feral mason]

was pretty nice

[balmy condor]

caustic spatter turns the plater green

[arctic hare]

Yeah, but after its applied, and it turns green, it flashes white, trying to get a recording of it rq

[pulsar apex]

<3. I'll add Acro Leech build to my set.

[marble hemlock]

yeah like, it was definitely a delierate choice. i was like "no acro? fuck that" and then i realized that it meant i basically have 3 choices between vigor, er/rc or2/2 leth, so i went with leth.

[balmy condor]

do you have a fancy name you want to call it

[marble hemlock]

Kyrian sucks

ER sucks

dont @ me

[cerulean walrus]

Kyrian CRINGE

Based Seli

[balmy condor]

also shroud cooldown over iron stomach

[gusty mirage]

too late

[balmy condor]

that's definitely a pick

[marble hemlock]

i put it like

[slate crown]

Got to 8 and 1953/2500 to 9. DMF was up for everything, though this character is not human. So, that's probably the difference right there

[gusty mirage]

ye def a human difference, might decide to giga hate myself and do the pvp weekly too

gives 1k rep

[slate crown]

o.o

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JU16E/524876dd36.png

i feel most people

will probably see more value from stillshroud than iron stomach

[balmy condor]

fair enough

[gusty mirage]

with the pvp weekly + the rares I should be able to hit renown 10 on my alt tomorrow

[marble hemlock]

many a run was ended cuz "wipe, no shroud, go out"

[kindred carbon]

Lmao I searched up rotation guide and @balmy condor comes up so looks like I have all the info i need

[feral mason]

how is shroud value this season?

[marble hemlock]

pretty solid

[balmy condor]

yeh I been crankin

[tepid idol]

heyo ! As lang as we´re sittung on old tierset, should we delay kingsbane several seconds after deathmark so 4pc bonus is buffing last seconds of kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

the bfa dungeons had a fuck ton of extra trash

so shroud was giga useful

[marble hemlock]

shroud can typically be replaced by invis pots ofc, but like... shroud is very good in many dungeons

[feral mason]

Guess we only have 2 df dungeons now so there isnt as many “every mob is invis sight” dungeons now

[marble hemlock]

waycrest, dht and brh all have at least 1 very good use to shroud

[pulsar apex]

shroud is taken for GG?

[gusty mirage]

atal as well

[marble hemlock]

i unironically have no clue about doti

ye atal as well

[feral mason]

Pretty sure doti is as linear as can be

Except for the one big trash area with the portals

[gusty mirage]

you mean the pug killer of fort weeks?

[feral mason]

I really hope next xpac has more open dungeons again man

[gusty mirage]

[feral mason]

But it being nearly all underground worries me

[gusty mirage]

then people will complain that rogues are necessary

like they did for all of legion & bfa

[marble hemlock]

rogue wasnt necessary in legion tho

cuz you had pylons

[feral mason]

Eh

[marble hemlock]

just deathskip

if you didnt have rogue

[gusty mirage]

tru

[feral mason]

Idk I thought SL was a great balance of the two

[marble hemlock]

wtb pylons back

[feral mason]

As much as people shit on SL ,dungeons were great

[marble hemlock]

not the scuffed as fuck df version we have

that kills you half the time cuz you forget you have to move away from the robot

[gusty mirage]

best I can do is a brez with a 25% failure rate, take it or leave it

[marble hemlock]

hypest announcement of blizzcon was cata classic

only 1 more expansion and we get to enjoy good wow

[feral mason]

[marble hemlock]

tbf sub in cata is pog as fuck

[gusty mirage]

nothing will top combat in wrath for me

[feral mason]

prayge they skip wod after

[gusty mirage]

sorry pal

[feral mason]

gimme non-private private server legion please

[gusty mirage]

wod wasn't even that bad, there was just nothing to do

I'd rather play wod + bfa for 6 years than ever play shadowlands again

[feral mason]

depends what part of SL

[gusty mirage]

no I can confidently say every part of SL

that expansion was hot ass garbage

[feral mason]

I will take halls of atonement from SL

and uh

[gusty mirage]

was very cool going into beta with 3/4 of our covenant abilities either not working or not existing

[runic hinge]

We need wod classic so we can have Twitter integration and the selfie cam patch

[feral mason]

sd because i am a pug hater

[pulsar apex]

any WA for tracking if have snapshot properly?

[gusty mirage]

I think notter and @slate crown were working on one

[trim sedge]

What is likely going to be PI pri for raid?

[gusty mirage]

It tracked kingsbane damage iirc

[gusty mirage]

assassination rogue unless uhdk gets a buff

[balmy condor]

yeh it's like assa rogue, uhdk

and then some crazy shit

MM hunter

and a mage spec

or something

[trim sedge]

Dang ok so what i heard was true

[gusty mirage]

I think top 4 is uhdk, sin, bm and then mm

[balmy condor]

oh is bm good now too

[gusty mirage]

of course

azor hasn't seemed sad lately

[balmy condor]

I don't pay attention to azors mood ring

mb

[gusty mirage]

assassination really polevaulted to the simp choice

wild

[kindred carbon]

Ik this is the assassin channel but did outlaw get any less arthritis enducing this patch?

[balmy condor]

more arthritis

[gusty mirage]

no

[kindred carbon]

Fuck

[balmy condor]

it's faster

[kindred carbon]

Guess im just playing assassin then lol

[steel ridge]

Outlaw is zooming like crazy

[quartz prawn]

so u think outlaw is more worth this patch?

[steel ridge]

imo it’s better, i may return to it

[marble hemlock]

we need wod classic because its the best iteration of combat that has ever existed in wow

[grim coral]

still hurts

[warm raft]

do we have average Dps sin rogues are busting with PI?

[quartz prawn]

i thought it would be subtlety .... so dont know wich spec i choose x.x.... i played last season retri pala and rerolled to rogue now... i lvled to 70 with assa, but dont know what would ne better for high keys and myth raid

[gusty mirage]

take whatever assassination sims at and add 12-13k

[oak trench]

Am I not supposed to spam envenom if I’m running the blood build for keys

I feel energy starved when I do that

[gusty mirage]

honest answer? outlaw; copium answer? assassination

[earnest remnant]

this is fun gameplay no?

[quartz prawn]

aright, tham outlaw xD

[warm raft]

thats awesome

[marble hemlock]

i mean it seems appropriate imo

[earnest remnant]

i mean

[marble hemlock]

playing outlaw makes me vanish, put a gun between my eyes repeatedly, until i finally do the pistol shot

[earnest remnant]

Between the eyes is what i wanna do to myself when i play that spec

[gusty mirage]

only one of those abilities requires melee range

[marble hemlock]

great minds think alike

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[silk bane]

unironically outlaw has better theme and flavor, youre litearlly gunning down people. idk pretty piraty to me

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[gusty mirage]

gunning people down would be something a marksman would do

pirates sword fought and shot cannons more than guns

[earnest remnant]

or americans

[icy ridge]

outlaw is the worst thing to happen to combat rogues

[gusty mirage]

bazinga

[marble hemlock]

pirates in fact havent been gunning people down all that often

[earnest remnant]

common misconception

[icy ridge]

its like how surv hunters felt when they got turned into a melee class

[marble hemlock]

usually they immediately ran away the moment a proper authority showed up

[silk bane]

i was gonna say american pirates but stealthi stole my joke

[marble hemlock]

just like outlaw players

[quartz prawn]

when u rate outlaw and assa, is assa a+-tier and outlaw s-tier?

[marble hemlock]

even proper cutthroat highwaymen wouldnt really use their guns that often

[quartz prawn]

cause the style of outlaw fucks me up xD

[runic hinge]

I rate assa as A tier and outlaw as O tier

[silk bane]

tooooo based

[gusty mirage]

in terms of m+, outlaw will just be better in everyway

in terms of raid, with assassination being the new poster child for simping (PI/Augvoker buffs) it'll probably end up close

[quartz prawn]

subtlety is completly out of theme?

[gusty mirage]

subtlety competes with outlaw in ST and simped assassination if you play the shadowdust build

[kindred carbon]

Oh ok so youre really just using fan to apply your non lethals?

[gusty mirage]

and sub is also solid in m+, but still worse than outlaw

outlaw just does bonkers damage right now

idk if it stays or not

[earnest remnant]

i would be surprized if outlaw does not get a slap on the wrists

[gusty mirage]

I would too

[earnest remnant]

they are beating everybody by a mile

[gusty mirage]

considering all 3 specs got absolutely beat with the nerf bat for being this strong early in 10.0

[earnest remnant]

would even say outlaw is stronger

rn

than back then

[gusty mirage]

outlaw suffers from being a rogue, rogues aren't allowed to be that strong

[keen gulch]

Hey, is the afenar WA package updated for 10.2?

[gusty mirage]

if they were a purple or blue class would be fine

[silk bane]

idk, outlaws litearlly the best spec in the entire game if you pull <= 8 mobs, but you pull a 9th one and suddenly its not that great

like i remember on PTR they were getting gapepd by boomies, mages, dh...

[gusty mirage]

I mean they don't balance around massive pulls

so

[silk bane]

i know, ofcourse, but i also doubt theyre gonan enrf a spec that probably wont even end up being that insane in keys

[gusty mirage]

also pretty sure DH is also bonkers strong rn

as well as boomies

[earnest remnant]

what was the dmg difference between sub and outlaw on 8 target sim?

[gusty mirage]

so 😛

[silk bane]

like real question?

close to 250k

sub needed 12 targets to beat outlaws 8

but also subs turbo bad in aoe rn, we lose to sin until 9 targets i think

[marble hemlock]

the saving grace for assa in m+ is that augvoker is still kinda mandatory, and assa actually works well with it, outlaw does not, so we make up some of the difference (especially on st) not by ourselves, but cuz aug

lol

[somber dove]

Is outlaw still just hitting buttons fast or do I need to use brain?

[gusty mirage]

we've lived long enough to turn into the villain we've hated

[earnest remnant]

same for sub in keys

really good with aug

[marble hemlock]

we lose so much st compared to outlaw for going an m+ build

but its actually recovered through aug

[silk bane]

^^

[marble hemlock]

that wasnt the case before

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/zxhRObQLf - Garrote
https://wago.io/Ama4BmF-9 - Rupture
Full pack is linked in those as well with the preview

[silk bane]

still an issue with sin

u guys like lose 22%? i cant remember

[runic hinge]

You can also bring a healer priest since shadow is down there and enhance for windfury and now you got a group going

[gusty mirage]

bring a prot warrior too for bshout

or a vdh for chaos brand

yolo

build the group around the assassination rogue to compete with outlaw

[pulsar apex]

TY!

[runic hinge]

Based

[slate crown]

I'm not sure if afenar's specifically is updated or not, but there are many packs from this discord which have been updated:

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[marble hemlock]

think it was smth like 15% last time whispyr mentioned it

[silk bane]

oh nice, thats much much better than i thought then

[marble hemlock]

gotta keep in mind

that outlaw sims very high

[kindred carbon]

I assume between DTB and AP neither is really just easier than the other right

[warm urchin]

i thought ambush was supposesd to just replace mutilate when in stealth now no?

[marble hemlock]

but, contrary to the belief of every outlaw player ever, they cant actually do that damage in game, becuase no one plays the spec as well as the sim does

[silk bane]

^ guy about to have a mental breakdown

but youre right!

idk though, looking at ptr performance i doubt outlaw is even in top 3 highest damage specs in the game (in keys)

[marble hemlock]

outlaw will be very sought after

cuz its an easy pick, its been good for a long time, so no one will give it a second thought

and itll likely perform very well across the board

[silk bane]

it'll definately overperform early on, new season, low ilvl, lack of pathing, people are gonna pull low

and outlaw just destroys

[marble hemlock]

it depends a bit on what the season will end up being like. i can see outlaw being very solid this season because theres a fuckton of bosses you can play with trash

[silk bane]

but then you start pulling more and more packs and at that point its hard to justify brining outlaw when you can bring aug mage havoc or aug boomie havoc or aug boomie mage

but also i do think that hte closer the tuning, the more impactful the raid buffs

[marble hemlock]

dont @ me but comp this season will be protwarr, havoc, enhance, rogue, disc.

myabe theres some wizard comps

[silk bane]

thats the comp we're running this season but with ppal

[gusty mirage]

Woah seli playing it real dangerous there

[marble hemlock]

no aug, i know

[silk bane]

oh wait u didnt have aug there

nvm

[marble hemlock]

but thats because i expect them to realize that having a dps spec give permanetn rallying cry is kinda stupid

[silk bane]

get him outa the kitchen

[potent dawn]

Yea not having Aug is a LOL

[marble hemlock]

and nerf it

[gusty mirage]

[silk bane]

this isnt even the worst part of aug

[marble hemlock]

it most certainly is

[gusty mirage]

Everything is the worst part of aug

[crude hornet]

can anyone explain this? how can sudden demise do damage but not kill the target? It reads like it kills the target instantly if the conditions are met but it clearly does not

[gusty mirage]

The entire spec

[silk bane]

what oxi said tbh

[marble hemlock]

they nerfed throughput of aug pretty significnatly

[silk bane]

like the fact that the spec makes ur healer heal more

and ur tank becomes immortal

is what breaks the game

[marble hemlock]

the problem is that the spec makes keys way easier for tanks and healers

you basically play the keylevel at 2-3keylevels lower in terms of survivability that aug brings. no other dps spec does that

[silk bane]

like just ebcause htis dumbass spec exists, u just pull infinite, and u live it and heal through it

exactly!

but thats not been addressed yet

theyre like oh we'll reduce aug damage a little

and its like, that doesnt really matter

[potent dawn]

They don't know how to address it without making the spec so dirt it might as well not exist

[silk bane]

idk, i think there are ways

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Hey Sexy Beast. I thought I'd pay you a compliment before I @ you with questions none stop the whole season. Do you think assa will be competitive in M+ against other rogue specs ?

[marble hemlock]

cant wait to have my personal augvoker pop his shit and at that exact moment some DH felrushes into his meleerange and gets the ebon might instead of me

[proven jasper]

[earnest remnant]

thats why we have prescience seli

[marble hemlock]

you think any aug player can even spell that?

[earnest remnant]

thats fair

[potent dawn]

Dont gotta spell it to push it BB

[quartz prawn]

hey^^ so when i dont like the style of outlaw its the best decision for my to play sub? im totally new in rogue, but i think assa loose a lot of time by hide and sub seems fun too
i played with retri high keys, so 22-23 and was in myth progress in aberrus so i dont wanna choose a spec, train it and than its trash xD

[snow kindle]

istg sin is so sleeper

this spec feels so good

and probably is good at what it does

[novel arrow]

UGH I really dont wanna dance and play ambush! Save me !

If I dance and press ambush I and rupture I might as well be a sub rogue. Cry! 😦

[silk bane]

try the 3 specs, see which one you enjoy. for Mythic raid all 3 should be good. sin might be the best even. for M+, at that levell all 3 will be more than good enough, outlaw might end up being a bit better but all 3 specs should be good enough to time those levels of keys

[quartz prawn]

ty

[tawny geyser]

Where is the updated Talent Tree?

[lethal mortar]

in the game

[tawny geyser]

I meant as a Guide

[pulsar apex]

pins

[tawny geyser]

Yeah but was this tested by Whispyr? I dont trust anyone but him.

[earnest remnant]

he is the one that writes the wowhead one

[silk bane]

he laterally wrote it

the wohead one

[tawny geyser]

oh ok, sorry

[warm urchin]

best way to use rep tokens? should i just rip the 2500 one?

[silk bane]

some people get an alt to 10, to get you the 100% bonus rep thingy for your main to use it. but idk man that sounds turbo cringe

[wispy ermine]

Rip them on an alt and save them on your main

[snow kindle]

isnt that bad took like 4 hours

you only need to be degenerate if you wanna do all the way to 10 today

[silk bane]

thats not too bad

[balmy condor]

at least someone trusts me

I don't trust me

[delicate hemlock]

What took you 4 hours, you mean doing all the non degen rep stuff on the alt? But it didn't get you to 10 right?

[snow kindle]

nah i didnt degen and i got to 8

so its pretty easy to ten this week

[tawny geyser]

There you are 😛
But you did confuse me. There's a few builds over there on Wowhead and I have no idea which is "BiS"

[delicate hemlock]

Brill ta, was wondering how the grind looked

[warm urchin]

whats trhe best ways to 10?

just WQ an side quests?

[tawny geyser]

I know that No Dance is a No Go...but build for M+ is confusing

[balmy condor]

if "BiS" is "most damage", then you're looking at dance in raid and hybrid in m+

[tawny geyser]

Got you

[silk merlin]

dance as assa feels wonky af, its gonna take a while for me to get used to that 😦

[novel arrow]

I refuse to play dance. On principle.

we shoulda make a stand

or a union

"Rogues against Dancing"

[silk merlin]

is there an alternative? i know its less damage but still?

[runic sequoia]

how is assa compared to outlaw in m+ hows the aoe and st? Is one better than the other one?

[runic hinge]

There's a no dance build on wowhead

[slim estuary]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[silk merlin]

shadow dance no?

[midnight phoenix]

Im simming lower dps lul

[marble hemlock]

these are all very good questions that are somewhat challenging to answer when the patch has only been live for less than 12 hours and its still another week until the new m+ season even opens

[midnight phoenix]

Time to go outlaw by the looks of things

[raven echo]

I'm happy that dance replaced ER. Hate that ability

[oak tangle]

did the change to blindside stick where it overwrites mutilate with ambush?

[midnight phoenix]

I went from simmed 110k dps to simming 94k dps with the new rework

Using dance / ER is a 1k dps difference

[warm urchin]

what can a man do to get his acrobatic strikes back😭

[earnest remnant]

talent into it

[raven echo]

Lose 2%ish dps

That's all

[warm urchin]

from tea?

[oak tangle]

do we always sync dance and kingsbane?

[willow kite]

Would you run arterial for lower keys?

I'm thinking zoldyck might be nice for that, but haven't had time to toy with it

[kind forge]

"I would also recommend this to anyone interested in farmer lower level keystones, ..."

thats what he wrote in his guide about arterial

[slim estuary]

Am I doing something wrong? It feels like my energy is starved in my opener now? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[royal lantern]

did you apply poisons

[midnight phoenix]

Has something else changed as im simming for about 18k less ST dps

[slim estuary]

You got me. That was a test

Is everyone sticking to sin? sims suggest sin is balls now

[slate crown]

Sin is suffering from some bugs right now in game. Sims reflect those bugs and are therefore lower than they previously were by a fair margin.

[royal lantern]

sims can lick my balls + its bugs lol

[slate crown]

Based actually

[royal lantern]

y'all should stop asking about specs man

[slim estuary]

oh ok, whats the bugs

[royal lantern]

if you play on the level where shit matters, you would know whats strong or weak anyway and have 3+ alts ready

[slate crown]

Major one is the 2pc set bonus stacks fall off way sooner than they should when reaching cap, which has high impact on cooldown windows

[runic hinge]

Wild to me people wanna know sim dps week 0 to base their whole patch choice on

[kind forge]

but big numbers 12h into the patch go brrrr

[royal lantern]

man

be happy when 50% of your abilitys actually fully work as intended 12h into the Patch

[waxen oyster]

outlaw angle until blizz takes out the nerfbat

tbh

[novel arrow]

I'm a little confused about Sudden Demise. So it doesn't consume your dots?

[slate crown]

I will not put on the pirate hat

[waxen oyster]

you guys think since PI is good for sin now

sin can use the PI scapegoat

to justify buffs?

[potent lintel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[waxen oyster]

I like high apm tbh

[royal lantern]

source: ptr sims

[waxen oyster]

most fun sin variant for me

[royal lantern]

look at it again in 3-4 weeks

[waxen oyster]

was when vendetta was a 45s cd

[potent lintel]

Anyone have link to the updated talent guide for 10.2 for assasin rogues

[royal lantern]

not when the patch has not even be touched by the biggest playerbase yet

[runic hinge]

Where a weapon is doing 6% of their damage they can’t even get yet

[runic hinge]

It’s in the pins

[pulsar apex]

Ugh. Acro dps loss is pretty significant 😦

[drifting cosmos]

What’s acro dps loss?

[surreal citrus]

I will not fall for the drop acro meme

[kind forge]

acro loss is so huge, you wont get invited to rwf pugs anymore !

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

acro enjoyers are the real ones

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna play acro in m+ for sure

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

imagine if acro increased PB size by 3yards aswell

fully green screen

[indigo mulch]

yeah pb size is massive now D:

[thin gate]

i dont get the math how toxic boots can beat Stat embellishments

rn we got so good scaling on crit mastery haste

[royal lantern]

scaling

get off that "muh scaling" koolaid

it never has been a real thing over the last decade

[grizzled mist]

should i be using envenom as much as i can? or should i be using it just before the buff falls off?

[royal lantern]

guide explains it

in cd windows spam, outside of cd windows maintain buff is the tl:dr

[hexed willow]

Besides not pooling and the double shiv window, is there anything mechanically different about Kingsbane window compared to the maintenance rotation?

[grizzled mist]

ty

[hexed willow]

Just confirming I understand what I read

[late birch]

Maybe im not seeing it, but any reason why rotation says to finish most things on 4+ CP in opener? isnt it normally max -1 since we have 6 CP in total?

Or is it just to fit as much things into KB and SD window?

[flint tusk]

It changed

[distant helm]

Its changed a bit with the talent tree as you could technically overcap if both weapons crit on your mut on 4cp

[royal lantern]

.....huh?

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[thin gate]

i mean mut could always crit with mh and oh

or am i wrong here

[royal lantern]

it has nothing to do with mut crits

mut giving up to 4cp existed since forever

[thin gate]

4 cp was possible be4 aswell

[royal lantern]

its just that the current energy-into-cp-into-dmg logic changed

+4 set wants back to back envenoms

[slim estuary]

Did I hurt you, brother?

[late birch]

that 4+ thing messing with ma brain

[thin gate]

just envenom at 4 cp if u crit mut i guess

[distant helm]

I mean thats literally what i said

You better of finishing on 4

As cps are more valuable now

Instead of the chance to overcap

[late birch]

so even outside of cd's the rule is always finish 4+?

I just change my 4th CP to green too for my WA and its fine?

[thin gate]

cant wait to get included into the pi discussion in raid again

[royal lantern]

should include that "envenom chain" means "be at like ~80% energy and then start" tbh

[novel arrow]

Do we know how often we can get sparks? I've gotten 1 spark with just doing quests atm

[flint tusk]

Yeh surprised he missed that bit. Unless i missed where he said that while skimming

[flint tusk]

Every 2 weeks same as s2

[surreal citrus]

should be 1 spark this week then half a spark every week after no?

[royal lantern]

yes

same as 10.1

[simple gulch]

time to study

[royal lantern]

its litearlly the normal assassination opener in most regards

the biggest change is dance->reapply bleeds and vanish at the end of KB

[royal lantern]

everything else is just standart

[balmy condor]

Yeah super weird man idk

I’m surprised I missed that bit too

Considering I didn’t

And you blasted past the actual explanation

Skipped to the tldr easy version

[topaz echo]

do i let every bleed applied via nightstalker tick out before reapplying?

[balmy condor]

And then was wondering why I didn’t explain it

HOW WEIRD

[royal lantern]

moderates RH

suprised that people dont read

[royal lantern]

yes

[topaz echo]

thanks!

[royal lantern]

empowered stuff=let run out and instantly re-apply the second its gone

[simple gulch]

I did not play sin before

[royal lantern]

yo whisp

without 4set we just spam envenom and ignore chaining it?

[willow kite]

What macro conditional would I use to trigger on stealth? [stealth]? or some [stance:X] variant?

[noble light]

Hi guys, how apm-intensive is the new assa rogue in m+? I can't play Outlaw due to a wrist condition and always liked the slower playstyles but I want to try melee instead of ranged.

[royal lantern]

~gcd capped in aoe, but no off gcd stuff

so like

~60

[balmy condor]

wow whispyr stuff is too confusing
simplifies it
why didn’t you mention the actual rule?
here’s both the long version and the short version
weird that you missed the long version

[royal lantern]

ye ye, answer my question

[balmy condor]

You do the same shit

The pooling rule is a catch-all

You never deviate from the rules

[royal lantern]

kk

[smoky horizon]

But what if you are outlaw?

Cause the pirate guideline thing…

[royal lantern]

just wanted to know for early prog with probs no 4set

[noble light]

so WAY slower than outlaw?

[flint tusk]

Yeh bro just explain it properly 💀

[balmy condor]

Like these pooling conditions were always basically the same pooling conditions for like the last 2 expansions.

They just didn’t matter enough to justify the headache of trying to get people to read 2 or 3 paragraphs until now

Energy changes make it better

Sanguine makes it better

Tier makes it better

[fair ingot]

Am I missunderstanding how sudden demise procs or is it bugged for you guys?
Been testing it out in some low keys and on quests and sometimes it works just fine and procs the reasonable amount of damage and at other times it does not proc at all or super late.
Open world mob was easily in execute range with its hp and my dots ticked from 50-34-7% and then took another sec or so before it actually executed the enemy. The mob was 100% in execute range right at 35%.
Tried 2 dungeons aswell and it is very clear when it works since it pops enemies with big numbers but at other times it doesnt proc at all or if they are below 10% health (when they had multiple chances to proc before)

Have noticed that my poisons also reset again every time i zone to a different instance-.- ^^

[normal mist]

You make it better @balmy condor

[flint tusk]

[keen spruce]

demise is only ABLE to proc in execute range. you still need to have enough remaining bleed damage on the target to pop it

the more actual hp the mob has, the lower is has to get for those bleeds to pop it

[fair ingot]

I know. what I mean by this is that I had 100% enough damage to proc the execute right at 35%

[keen spruce]

oh idk would need to see logs

[fair ingot]

I am 445eq had full bleed duration up and the mob was at 220k hp at 100%. at full bleeds my execute damage does over 300k dmg

[keen spruce]

but i haven't encountered that issue no

[fair ingot]

so I had more than enough damage to proc him at 35 😄

So I dont understand why the bleeds ticket to 34% then 7 and only after that it procced the execute eventho my bleeds hat pretty much full uptime

In timewalking I had 0 problems and it was actually hillarious how op this talent is in there.
but in open world and in the +6 I tested it seems buggy multiple times where it just didnt proc the execute eventho they should have more than enough bleed damage remaining

[royal lantern]

tbf, everything is op in timewalking

play sub and 1shot kill packs with secret tech

[balmy condor]

sudden demise has been working weird for people all day

[royal lantern]

or use the wod blade dancer trinket and kill a boss in 2seconds

[balmy condor]

who knows why

was working fine on ptr

[keen spruce]

if you sneeze too hard in TW everything dies

[balmy condor]

probably some overloaded server nonsense or some shit

[fair ingot]

I mean sure.. But I had twice the damage than the other 2 people combined and I executed bosses at 35%. This is not something that happened as sub ^^

[royal lantern]

never play on patchday

thats why

[steel spire]

assas kingdom has come

[royal lantern]

"come"

always was here

[fair ingot]

God is this fucking annoying that poisons reset every damn time I phase into a different zone-.-

[static shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

yoooo, updated

[amber blaze]

They once did fix this for Enhancement with Flametongue and Windfury, can’t wait for them to do the same shit here

[royal lantern]

leeching poison resets on zoning since df release btw

[kind forge]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[amber blaze]

[pulsar apex]

Is the “no pooling before building” rule just there for envenom chains? Or is there another reason?

[flint tusk]

I still don't get by leeching isn't just a dam perma self buff...
you know like how the warlocks version of it was made a self buff so it stopped dropping when zoning in

[royal lantern]

cus leeching poison was a actual poison for a long time

aka flavor/fantasy and stuff

idk

[flint tusk]

yeh bleh

xD

[royal lantern]

fix it

[flint tusk]

i'm just glad ALL poisons don't vanish anymore

[simple gulch]

Is it normal im at like -100 energy in the middle of combat?

[flint tusk]

now THAT was annoying

[simple gulch]

how do I have 300 energy and im sitting at 70~ mosst of the time