That’s not Tauren
#assassination
hexed willow
soft shale
you could use both to just use one each kb
but signet is quite a good scaling trink for durationm
rotund oak
isnt supposed human to be the best for sin
rotund oak
am i misssing something
soft shale
human is very good yes
hexed willow
get rekt tauren
Booo this ma!
static glacier
I think it'd depend on what gearset you're simming
flint tusk
isnt supposed human to be the best for sin
this is what i thought
guess it's overall with the meld for m+
hexed willow
I play high mountain Tauren anyways, I’m a monster
flint tusk
but human bis dps
subtle kiln
gearsets matter
static glacier
I wouldn't be surprised if human / velf / dwarf and tauren simmed higher than belf
rotund oak
guess it's overall with the meld for m+
m+ sin though 
true swift
Every race is viable except vulpera
simple ore
I went nelf just for more IC in m+
static glacier
in theory velf buff should line up with KB
simple ore
race damage is whatever
subtle kiln
wish i could VE ret
near valley
Best racial
static glacier
race damage is whatever
agreed, Im z troll- one of the worst and im giving up like 700 dps or w/e on live compared to dwarf
hexed willow
race damage is whatever
Unless it’s a heavy haste scaling spec with huge burst windows and then troll comes a knocking
flint tusk
50% transmog discount
lel found the poor needs a discount
static glacier
only uh and demo really cared about troll iirc
near valley
lel found the poor needs a discount
Look bro I change transmigration every hour
It gets expensive 
static glacier
yknow what's interesting, balance druids
flint tusk
haha
static glacier
z troll ended up beating troll and tauren
simple ore
Unless it’s a heavy haste scaling spec with huge burst windows and then troll co...
troll for unholy is ahead by about as much as dwarf/tauren is right now for most specs so eh
flint tusk
i have to make it so my pve and pvp sets are different for each spec. just so i don't constantly change xD
static glacier
which to me is quite strange
simple ore
if you're not worried about how much dwarf/tauren gives then you don't really need to worry about troll in those circumstances either
static glacier
honestly
my concern for dwarf was never the damage
it's how dumb stoneform is
2 min bleed dispell
simple ore
more than just bleeds
gusty mirage
dw it'll get gutted soon enough
static glacier
this shit isn't remotely balanced
hoary isle
how much is the 2p and 4p worth ? like % dps increase
subtle kiln
2.5
flint tusk
how much is the 2p and 4p worth ? like % dps increase
15
strange tiger
perhaps 4
simple ore
I think they're both 7-8% each
subtle kiln
how much is broken 2p worth. 
static glacier
it's quite high
then again this tier has some insane tier benefits for other specs
iirc someone saying their spec got over 20%
distant plinth
How much is the sims for assa compared to outlaw? SAW whispyr latest video the sim was 247k
true swift
Does season 2 catalyst shut this week or next?
flint tusk
jesus here it goes
subtle kiln
outlaw is 352k st
static glacier
How much is the sims for assa compared to outlaw? SAW whispyr latest video the s...
doesn't actually matter, sin will see play on fights where burst on 1/2 min windows matters regardless
stuff like smolderon
thorn fjord
quick segway... Are you guys enjoying WC Rumble?
thorn fjord
Gonna DL it sometime today
verbal mantle
slate crown
Hrm, considered trying it
spice spire
slate crown
a bit stingy for f2p though
Sad, can you use bnet balance on it?
static glacier
I believe so
from what I've seen the main thing to get is the arclight booster, it was around £17 and gives lifetime increase to xp gains
beyond that everything else is optional
abstract otter
Is there PI sims for assa here?
thorn fjord
Ask @keen spruce
static glacier
there's been some run internally, nothing publicly announced / stack pi sims though
storm forum
theres still things that are bugged and blizz is willing to make last minute changes (ie. last night's sporecloak nerf) so i think more TCs are being conservative about it
abstract otter
just heard the Pi is good rumours for assa
merry raven
quick segway... Are you guys enjoying WC Rumble?
i was until i hit a hugely frustrating wall that i wont want to pay to overcome
abstract otter
wanted to see how good it was
slim hamlet
Apparently UHDK and Sin is BIS PI
slim hamlet
So guessing BIS with one PI is uhdk on pull rest on sin
at minimum sin gets execute surely
spice spire
i want to know the numbers
13kish
proven jasper
^
abstract otter
WHAT?
spice spire
Major embellishment change may change it
slim hamlet
storm forum
from what i remember, Assa is replacing Demo for the PI runnings, and everything else stays similar. Sin got +15k dps but that was from an earlier sim that didnt take into account some bugs.
spice spire
What do you mean what
slim hamlet
What do you mean what
abstract otter
Warlock lost a lot of PI value this tier demo is 8.5k aff is 8.1k and destro is 7.7k
slim hamlet
yes
abstract otter
as a warlock player good luck, you will realise why Pi is the worst thing to exist 😄
slim hamlet
We already know
proven jasper
slim hamlet
storm forum
I was the priest last tier, I know
proven jasper
my grey parses know.
spice spire
as a warlock player good luck, you will realise why Pi is the worst thing to exi...
We’ve known for 5 expansions now
slim hamlet
But for whatever reason
spice spire
5 patches
abstract otter
You have never got PI no?
spice spire
Not expansions
slim hamlet
blizzard SOMEHOW STILL THINKS ITS GOOOD???????????
proven jasper
??
slim hamlet
You have never got PI no?
You don't need PI to know its dogshit?
abstract otter
Thats not my point
slim hamlet
spice spire
You have never got PI no?
Yeah but try to parse mythic because some bozo is getting 3 so he had a free 5k or so
thorn fjord
I just like the attention.
spice spire
Now it’s just exaggerated
thorn fjord
Give me pi
abstract otter
My point is when you require it to log above 97ish
static glacier
ngl I dislike the ability bc of the drama it creates
slim hamlet
you do on every spec Aqua
slim hamlet
Just because it isn't BIS for other specs doesn't change that
abstract otter
Demo this tier was basically impossible to log above 96 without Pi
or very good portal rng
slim hamlet
Every spec
static glacier
Demo this tier was basically impossible to log above 96 without Pi
I saw top 10 demo logs without pi
rng and kill timers can do a lot
slim hamlet
yes now remove it
proven jasper
Yes 
slim hamlet
100% the most baffling thing about this game
Is how PI exists
When no one likes it
merry raven
PI feels great when you're not the designated PI guy and you get it anyway. Loved getting a random PI on my 2h frost dk during pillar
glossy imp
Please buff sin so my raid lead doesn’t force me to play outlaw 
slim hamlet
Aug not getting nerfed is close but PI existing has to be the worst
proven jasper
Should just be a group wide buff lol, otherwise there is almost always going to be drama
aug only made that worse
ya
glossy imp
Pog login
merry raven
where are these charts coming from?
deft vault
I guess most of thats is kingsbane
slim hamlet
Still fake number likely
static glacier
Top of the RNG charts
honestly, 4%ish std dev isn't even that bad
slim hamlet
just crit all ur spells, roll sophic perfectly
not even going sophic in 10.2
slim hamlet
honestly, 4%ish std dev isn't even that bad
0% would be better
thorn fjord
Top of the RNG charts
Where’s this from
slim hamlet
I just linked it 😠
thorn fjord
Ah missed that Ty
merry raven
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html
85 APM outlaw 👀
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
85 APM outlaw 👀
What 200% AR uptime does to you
slim hamlet
Well
distant plinth
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html
Whispyr latest video showed with the new buffs assa did 247k
static glacier
ngl demo below destro and aff for burst is a sad sight
static glacier
yeah all these sims are a bit sus atm
slim hamlet
Whispyr latest video showed with the new buffs assa did 247k
Yes but there are now bugs
making us do a lot less
so gg
distant plinth
Good that you Are assa one trick then
slim hamlet
Yep
static glacier
my favourite thing from the raid stack sims is the dps per execute time across all specs
slim hamlet
Surely not respeccing pirate gambler tomorrow
final star
which means once fixed dps gains poggies
slim hamlet
my favourite thing from the raid stack sims is the dps per execute time across a...
where see that
muted ridge
What are current Assa sims? I remember something around 247k~
slim hamlet
What are current Assa sims? I remember something around 247k~
235k ~
without bug fixes
245ish with fixes
static glacier
where see that
scroll down
gusty mirage
5 patches
if you think about it patches expand the current content
so technically still expansion
river ember
Wait where is sub on this list
gusty mirage
river ember
This shit is so cap
static glacier
where see that
slim hamlet
so technically still expansion
slim hamlet
i see thx
gusty mirage
Wait where is sub on this list
it shadowdusted itself into being invisible
static glacier
5.9m army in the sims is wild
slim hamlet
yea wtf is this
proven jasper
Jesus
rare jackal
Top of the RNG charts
what does current tier look like
slim hamlet
if you're lucky u can do outlaw dmg
dark token
Because lust props up army pretty hard
static glacier
Because lust props up army pretty hard
100% agree
slim hamlet
what does current tier look like
gusty mirage
if you're lucky u can do outlaw dmg
just proc 5 head
soft shale
proc and crit
rare jackal
god damn it
i already hate the current rng 😭
slim hamlet
Is this why you're so good at the game oxi
soft shale
26% signet dmg
slim hamlet
Can you coach?
gusty mirage
except when it comes to daggers
rare jackal
gusty mirage
gotta talk to whispyr about that
slim hamlet
I heard he definitely got Nick of Time easily
rare jackal
me looking at my logs realizing its only green despite perfect execution because of 2 nelth trinket procs
slim hamlet
this tier
proven jasper
Saving all my nick of time luck for this season
gusty mirage
lucky sark kill number 7 is when I got my 450 dagger
only took 2.5 months for me to get nick of time
dark token
Outlaw is as rng as the other specs guys
gray crest
Now you gotta get 2 of them
pure sail
Got 2 daggers on my first kill
proven jasper
Im still running double crafted 
dark token
lucky sark kill number 7 is when I got my 450 dagger
I got 2 sark daggers and a beacon first kill
Gquit after
gusty mirage
slim hamlet
based
thorn fjord
I got 2 sark daggers on our prog kill lol
rare jackal
only took 2.5 months for me to get nick of time
you could say you just got it in the...
dark token
Still don't have nick of time tho
thorn fjord
I was only able to get whispyr a Nick of time
gusty mirage
you could say you just got it in the...
I will drink bleach if you finish that sentence
rare jackal
god damn there is a really edgy joke here
rare jackal
https://tenor.com/view/justin-silva-kms-justinsilvajr-gif-22669171
havent seen that gif in a long time
what a classic
proven jasper
Describes the way i feel when im asked to play anything but sin
slim hamlet
Didn't know you were an actor Oxi
storm forum
im very impressed with the costuming
dark token
https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-241637...
Me reacting to playing shadowdust
slim hamlet
dust is based
thorn fjord
Didn't know you were an actor Oxi
For the longest time I thought Oxi was that warrior streamer lmao
dark token
I will rather play other specs than dust
gray crest
Man, I was so excited to play sub until I saw dust was bis
slim hamlet
I swear they should stfu
thorn fjord
Man, I was so excited to play sub until I saw dust was bis
is anyone even excited to play dust? you gotta be a mad man
gray crest
I'd rather play on a slip n slide of cheese graters and lemon juice than play dust. Only a slight exaggeration
marble hemlock
is anyone even excited to play dust? you gotta be a mad man
only people who actually, unironically, enjoyed kyrian dust in SL
rare jackal
Dust is only thing making sub interesting to me
type of take
slim hamlet
I'd rather play on a slip n slide of cheese graters and lemon juice than play du...
Dust was a good map dude
glad lintel
Mastery>crit>haste>vers correct for 10.2 raid?
slim hamlet
Just because Dust 2 was better doesn't make it bad
slim hamlet
Mastery>crit>haste>vers correct for 10.2 raid?
master > crit=haste > vers
top 3 is SUPER DUPER close
rare jackal
Just because Dust 2 was better doesn't make it bad
yeah honestly dont know how people can think this wasnt better
slim hamlet
only vers that falls off
glad lintel
Thanks!!
slim hamlet
anyways just sim it
gusty mirage
I will rather play other specs than dust
I would rather play in traffic than play dust
strange python
Yeah I think whispyr's one video he ran the vers gems cause the sims said they were higher, for the amt of gear that he had.
storm forum
We're getting mastery from the trinket, haste from PI, and crit from aug, so vers ends up being pretty good
spice surge
We're getting mastery from the trinket, haste from PI, and crit from aug, so ver...
You get 3% crit and like 30% vers from aug
But alright
slim hamlet
huh
thorn fjord
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
storm forum
wait aug gives us vers?
slim hamlet
how does it give vers again
spice surge
Their mastery
strong sleet
why do we not eat agi food anymore and eat the crit mastery instead?
storm forum
i thought their mastery increased the duration of buffs
spice surge
Yes, that too
storm forum
oh
slim hamlet
why do we not eat agi food anymore and eat the crit mastery instead?
I highly doubt we do
proven jasper
Pretty sure youd always want main stat food lol
strong sleet
I highly doubt we do
same, thats why i ask cuz it says so in the guides and sheets
storm forum
the more stats we get, the better secondary stats get
proven jasper
well then yes
spice surge
Same reason bis profiles arent using sophic
proven jasper
Crit mast food
storm forum
agi is like, bigger base damage, and secondaries are more multiplicative or something
so at some point the secondaries outscale
I didnt realize we were already there
static glacier
!fuu
slim hamlet
I would like you to multiply you
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
slim hamlet
what
strong sleet
to bad i farmed a bunch of deviled eggs
storm forum
unlucky
strong sleet
i guess they are ok while i have low gear
slim hamlet
I still have 1k in bags
thorn fjord
So outside of pull and CD's are we just using shadow dance to refresh Imp garrotes?
strange python
So outside of pull and CD's are we just using shadow dance to refresh Imp garrot...
I think we use shadow dance for each kingsbane?
slim hamlet
yea
strange python
and probably get a garrote in yeah
slim hamlet
snapshot everything in existance
thorn fjord
Wouldnt we get two casts inbetween KB's?
thorn fjord
ah ok
slim hamlet
Lines up perfectly
thorn fjord
ok thats easy then
static glacier
our enh shaman wrote a hate poem for rogues 
thorn fjord
Lets see it
slim hamlet
why
static glacier
it's kinda not suitable for here
slim hamlet
dm angle
outer cairn
can go watch Whispyr's video on the aoe stuff. you can use dance to get some bleeds up then kb, or you can full send kb into a prio target
rain oyster
we back i nthis channel Pog
past forum
Are you nice to your enhancer? I tell our sham every raid night how wonderful and amazing she and her totem are
bright cipher
yea wtf is this
Thats Damage Per Execute Time, imagine that you have a spell who deals 300k, but it takes 2s to execute it, the DPET is 150k.
But the apocalypse one is a bit odd, apocalypse don't deal that high amount of damage.
past forum
not playing havoc is a miss, then
thorn fjord
By edgy do you mean he uses the hard r
slim hamlet
Are you nice to your enhancer? I tell our sham every raid night how wonderful an...
I would "clean" their totem after every raid/dungeon with how op it seems for us
hot mural
Is there a command to see the sims for the different specs?
past forum
I would "clean" their totem after every raid/dungeon with how op it seems for us
oh if it came down to it i would polish that totem off til the skin on my hands started peeling
slim hamlet
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hot mural
My hero.
slim hamlet
But it exists
runic hinge
static glacier
Thats Damage Per Execute Time, imagine that you have a spell who deals 300k, but...
their tier set is directly buffing apoc
magus
balmy condor
Despairge
bright cipher
their tier set is directly buffing apoc
Sims have Apoc and Army of the dead as separate, but the weird party in question is that.
the DPE for Army is 3.4m but t he DPET is going to like 6m, but a single action of Army don't deal 6m of damage.
past forum
just delete the whole m+ section, according to twitch chat doomers it's getting deleted next xpac
bright cipher
might be because the execute time is bellow 1s due to haste/lust
balmy condor
weird okay, should’ve replaced sophic everywhere
static glacier
@balmy condor this link leads to an out-dated guide page that mentions replacing s1 with s2 tier
balmy condor
That whole page looks like it didn’t get updated
balmy condor
That one I’ll need to ask someone what happened
static glacier
its joever
cunning basin
This is so sad 😭
slim hamlet
forest nacelle
marble hemlock
Please ping me as well if theres anything wrong with the IV guides. Odds are something either didn't get updated properly or slipped through the cracks.
thorn fjord
Hoping it’s not as bad as we’re expecting lol
That or raid gets cut short I can just hang lol
cerulean nest
I'm just excited to try out the builds
thorn fjord
Yeah
Gotta start building up that muscle memory
Is the overlay for echo going to be broken today?
woeful meteor
💯
thorn fjord
Not that it matters for us but for the rest of the group this shit is going to be a nightmare
woeful meteor
idk if anything changed but it breaks without changes already
slate crown
Wasn't the Echo thing people did using the built in map thing + weakaura and not an actual overlay?
Like the "Overlay" thing that was broken was the "Build UI on top of your screen based on combat log events written instantaneously"
ebon lichen
Does blindside now replace mutilate with ambush on your action bars?
slate crown
Yes
ebon lichen
is there a way around it? I currently have mut and ambush binded to same key with a shift mod macro, will it still replace my Mutilate with ambush during proc?
spice surge
Echo overlay is based on the "battleground map" not an external program readin the logs
slate crown
Yeah, so I think the echo method is still functional
spice surge
Granted idk if they broke being able to modifier the battleground map, they very well might have
But its not the overlay thing thats being posted about
spice surge
is there a way around it? I currently have mut and ambush binded to same key wit...
Theres no way around it no, but it also doesnt matter
slate crown
is there a way around it? I currently have mut and ambush binded to same key wit...
There is no way around it, unless you cancel your Blindside buff (but don't do that)
slim hamlet
is there a way around it? I currently have mut and ambush binded to same key wit...
Yes anything saying /cast mutilate will also just become an ambush
It is impossible to cast mutilate when blindside procs
ebon lichen
can i free up that extra keybind since it auto changes it? or do i still need an ambush button at times for sin?
balmy condor
Is the overlay for echo going to be broken today?
If you use the battleground overlay, yes
slim hamlet
can i free up that extra keybind since it auto changes it? or do i still need an...
The only problem with it is that subterfuge cuts off a gcd if you use stealth bars
Which is cringe
balmy condor
The only problem with it is that subterfuge cuts off a gcd if you use stealth ba...
What
ebon lichen
The only problem with it is that subterfuge cuts off a gcd if you use stealth ba...
i dont use the stealth bars, i just have stealth abilities bound to normal bars, that swapping bar tech was awful for subterfuge use
slim hamlet
Like
If I have ambush as E on stealth
And mut E out of stealth
Then when I spam E in subtergufe one gcd always cuts off and wastes a gcd
slate crown
It doesn't waste a GCD
balmy condor
You should get 3 ambushes
slate crown
I know what you're talking about
balmy condor
You only get 2 ambushes?
cerulean nest
fight fight fight fight
slate crown
Ah
spice surge
Just tag zac, he'll explain it
slate crown
SOrry it's complicated, there is a slight delay but it's not a whole GCD
balmy condor
slim hamlet
Yes
slate crown
If you spam your buttons it will be fine
slim hamlet
I know not full gcd but it fuck up wastes time
slate crown
but if you press your buttons when you queue them and then stop pressing, it can delay your gcd
slim hamlet
And is irritating even if it didn't waste time
slate crown
I have experienced this and can record it, sec
slim hamlet
I will be switching off stealth bars
fleet pagoda
this is a function of the stealth bar swapping?
thorn fjord
That sounds jacked up
slate crown
I've been mentioning this before every time this comes up, where I say there's a slight delay on leaving subt / dance
fleet pagoda
I see what you're saying. weird. i'm gonna go look for it when servers are up
slate crown
Again, if you spam your buttons you'll be fine
slim hamlet
Has been a thing forever afaik
I think it's spell queuing
Right
So it queue the ambush but then says "Hey you can't do that" and it stops that value from spellqueuing so you waste time
Unless you click 200 cpm
slate crown
I'm spamming my button here and you see there's a very small gap, maybe 0.25 extra sec between when the 3rd amb and mutilate hits, and if you are someone who pushes, then stops after you are normally queued, it can lead to no cast going off
hoary isle
is there a sheet that shows PI and tier DPS gain for all classes?
fleet pagoda
i think i had this happen when my spell queue was set really low now that you mention it
slate crown
It's been this way a while
slim hamlet
I'm spamming my button here and you see there's a very small gap, maybe 0.25 ext...
Yours don't look as bas
What is your spell queuing
slate crown
Idn I just logged onto ptr and didn't adjust anything so whatever is default
slim hamlet
I recently finally lowered mine, haven't checked if it mattered
Well but yea even with yours looking better than what I remember it still wastes time so prob just gonna stop using stealth bars
slate crown
Again, if you're like most people, and you spam your buttons, this probably doesn't matter. But I've noticed this all last season when I started playing sub and for a while had GB / ShS on the same button, but on different stance bars, leaving dance if I just press ShS at the last moment, knowing that it should be GB, it doesn't GB after and it stutters a second
slim hamlet
I spam the last half of a gcd usually
I don't spam permanent
Maybe that's the issue
warm parcel
You can achieve same kinda lockout in general with gcd
Try casting something out of los and then cast something that works
slate crown
Here's it actually being an issue. I am pressing my button twice each cast, when I generally can at the start of when spell queuing should work. I'm only human but I am trying to hit it at the same time for every GCD, and you see the last GCD mutilate does not actually go off.
vagrant hearth
is the spec rewrok available tomorrow?
slate crown
Yes
slim hamlet
Here's it actually being an issue. I am pressing my button twice each cast, when...
Yea this is whats cringe
Even when spamming it can be like this
slate crown
It happens as dance fades too
vagrant hearth
where i can find best build for m+ etc`?
proven jasper
where i can find best build for m+ etc`?
Just open the pins and go to one of the links
should be a build there
vagrant hearth
ty man
slate crown
Same exact thing for me. Again, I typically just spam my buttons to prevent this, and it works fine. I imagine most people spam their buttons as well. It's just an edge case I noticed. And I didn't want the entire world to think you were crazy for mentioning it @slim hamlet 😛
spice spire
Yeah he gaslit you what of it
slate crown
and fwiw, my spell queue here is 400
slim hamlet
I used to have that
slate crown
which I think is default
strange python
Who's gonna tell him
silk bane
I WANNA GO ABCK
strange python
I don't consider myself normal
silk bane
no i mean like the ptr channels were fun af
plain onyx
hey guys, referring to rotation.. is it like somehow easier than 10.0 ?
wraith cosmos
no
plain onyx
ffxiv then
slate crown
I once referenced ffxiv openers in reference to the new opener before
That was in the fun zone channels
wraith cosmos
short answer burst window and opener are a bit more complex while the rest generally stayed the same
strange python
doesn't ffxiv kinda have like spell chains?
What I mean by that is like - does casting the same spell like 3 times in a row result in a different effect and/or animation? (Like for ninja, for example)....or am i imagining things.
slate crown
FFXIV has "combos"
Where abilities gain effects / potency changes if they were immediately preceded by a specific other ability
strange python
like mutilate would do like hit - hit - something cool
yeah
been a while for me
slate crown
I'm not really a fan of it
It's kind of a contrived way to make you press different buttons
slow needle
FFXIV has "combos"
Isn't the ninja in FF just entirely this? Utilising the correct skills to empower a finisher in different ways?
slate crown
because they're on your main rotation buttons, not on like cooldown sequences (though they're on those too sometimes)
strange python
when i played ffxiv, it was with a controller, i remember that
slate crown
I never actually tried ninja
strange python
i think i liked red mage the best
still sky
Ninja on controller is so fun
slow needle
Its like Dota2 Evoker iirc.
gusty mirage
warms my heart that assassination is back to its normalcy
never change my friends ❤️
slate crown
❤️
wicked anchor
I am so excited to try out assa tomorrow, hoping it is really viable and competitive in m+ after years 🙂
slow echo
What's the simms for assa?
bleak orchid
if u are good on rogue and try balance druid, then u can sleep while doin keys on balance 😄
royal lantern
Its like Dota2 Evoker iirc.
? huh
royal lantern
well, i gues you can say that
royal lantern
but ninja is just as scripted as all other ff14 classes
slow needle
What are you huh-ing?
icy iron
well, i gues you can say that
Why u no fox no more o:
royal lantern
Why u no fox no more o:
cus wizard lizard cute
royal lantern
What are you huh-ing?
royal lantern
thorn fjord
blazing jewel
strange python
why you do him dirty like that
slim hamlet
he did it to himself
smoky horizon
Is this a ‘quick Whispyr is sleeping, fullspeed ahead on memes’ kind of vibe?
blazing jewel
Was going to say what sleep
spice spire
He sleeps reading this chat bozos
slate crown
Like the wizards that learn to sleep with their eyes open
He sleeps, eyes staring at this chat
split maple
He sleeps reading this chat bozos
You joke but I never know when that man is watching. waiting. Nor do any of you.
icy acorn
can i macro shadowdance with kingsbane?
spice spire
You joke but I never know when that man is watching. waiting. Nor do any of you.
Counterpoint
marble hemlock
text to speech while youre asleep
spice spire
can i macro shadowdance with kingsbane?
You can but it’s not exactly recommended for m+ reasons
split maple
Counterpoint
icy acorn
You can but it’s not exactly recommended for m+ reasons
but i want to use dance for every kingsbane or whats different in m+?
atleast thats what the rotation on wowhead says
strange python
I was wondering your same question
storm forum
I think in m+ you might want the flexibility to use the first part of dance applying DoTs and apply KB at the end of it.
strange python
so basically dance, garrote like 3-4 mobs, then kingsbane a priority target?
storm forum
More realistically, gar 2 mobs, rup 2 mobs, then kb prio, but yeah, same idea
proven jasper
yea
strange python
my keybinds are precious - and running low anymore
storm forum
I think I'm axing my ambush bind
strange python
oh yeah i'm for sure not having an ambush bind
storm forum
I was playing KB last tier anyways so that's not an issue for me at least
spice spire
Yeah it’s just flexibility for it.
You always want to utilize NS for KB. But different scenarios will lead to different sequencing
strange python
I just picked it up to test stuff out pre-patch and i'm stretched thin on keybinds. Thistle Tea nearly put me over the top.
storm forum
I was using double on use all tier so hopefully that's also an extra bind I can free up
limber lion
I've had the bind for 3 years or whatever and there's no new buttons. Just gonna be a useless button now that never gets presses
strange python
I mean my trinkets have always been Z and shift Z - so I can't really use them for other stuff either.
limber lion
Mind as well remove Blindside procs from the WA and Blizz UI because that's not necessary to know either
arctic hare
I think I'm axing my ambush bind
We could always set it up so that when you’re in stealth mut automatically turns to ambush
spice spire
True
storm forum
Yeah thats probably what I do
strange python
We could always set it up so that when you’re in stealth mut automatically turns...
ahh yeah this is something like:
/cast [nostealth] Mutilate```something like that
spice spire
Blind side Finna be something you track on logs because you have 0 indication 💀
arctic hare
Its what I did with shadowstrike and gloomblade + ambush and sinister strike
arctic hare
ahh yeah this is something like:
```/cast [stealth] ambush
/cast [nostealth] Mut...
You can make that into one line actually.
limber lion
Yeah, you don't track it and only press your Mutilate buttom
Then look at the log and it's 30% ambush
strange python
yeah solid point
spice spire
Then look at the log and it's 30% ambush
storm forum
What should I have for lunch?
spice spire
Ass
blazing jewel
Cocka
spice spire
Why not both?
blazing jewel
slate crown
Mind as well remove Blindside procs from the WA and Blizz UI because that's not ...
I can see cases where it is nice to know if you have blindside when in your pooling phases, lets you know that your next builder is free if you're being concious of your energy
storm forum
strange python
So I guess the ambush does MORE than a mutilate right?
Or is there some other interaction that prefers its use (other than flat dmg)
I apologize - i'm just coming back to the game
strange python
right yeah
limber lion
I can see cases where it is nice to know if you have blindside when in your pool...
Right, I can see that. You never pool so close to max energy that you would cap out even if you use 1-2 generators. But yeah sometimes you might get lucky and cap out if you get b2b2b blindside procs for sure
I'll still track it because I minmax every single gcd because I'm deranged and a degenerate, but for most people it won't matter
But good point yeh for sure
slate crown
Up until a couple days ago I just left everything as it was
Kept wa, kept independent ambush bind
storm forum
I'm sure whispyr will do a sim at some point where it's 0.01% better to cancel aura bs and mut in KB+DM+execute+hero and/or PI, but no one will care
slate crown
trying to move over though, if anything because my ambush bind takes up a slot that I otherwise use for my aoe builder for Sub and it's bothered me forever that Fan and SS are different buttons
now I can make them the same
but that's a me problem
limber lion
I'm sure whispyr will do a sim at some point where it's 0.01% better to cancel a...
It's quite the opposite where some weird individuals care but Whispyr doesn't
And neither should anyone else
storm forum
If whispyr cared, he would put it in the pins or his guide
He'll just put it out there cause someone asked or he thought the math was neat or whatever
limber lion
trying to move over though, if anything because my ambush bind takes up a slot t...
Why wouldn't fok and storm be on the same key to begin with?
Why is ambush your storm key
slate crown
Long story
limber lion
Fair
slate crown
don't worry about it
limber lion
I can play most specs in the game because I use the same logic for every button
slate crown
They were but then I found a comfier button during season 2
I had all aoe buttons on the same button
but wanted something better when I was playing sub
and then I finally swapped to sin and that comfier button was taken up by ambush and I never reconciled it because I never did keys or anything as sin
now that I will, it matters
so, resolving that now
strange python
I can play most specs in the game because I use the same logic for every button
same here
cerulean nest
I'll still track it because I minmax every single gcd because I'm deranged and a...
what would tracking it minmax if you're forced to use the proc anyway
strange python
I think that's also why i run into issues when i say i dont have any "keybinds" left on certain specs
storm forum
what would tracking it minmax if you're forced to use the proc anyway
Pooling for SB
Is SB the abbreviation we're using for Sanguin Blades?
limber lion
what would tracking it minmax if you're forced to use the proc anyway
Just like we talked earlier, pressing it earlier on when pooling or finishing earlier when pooling because you know the next generator is free
slate crown
limber lion
Is SB the abbreviation we're using for Sanguin Blades?
I say Sang.
storm forum
cerulean nest
ah I see
limber lion
It's like Exsang without the ex
storm forum
🤔
limber lion
@balmy condor
balmy condor
Yepge
limber lion
Fak
dark token
Maybe we get rid of brand 🙏
subtle tundra
is it random main stat proc?
slate crown
It's on-use main stat
subtle tundra
coolios
cerulean nest
Unless u prepull branch and kite orbs for 20s
why would you say this
slate crown
Unless u prepull branch and kite orbs for 20s
dark token
I'd rather kite orbs prepull then post pull
steep carbon
hei guys, would assasination be fun to roll for raiding in 10.2? Coming from a sub rogue
past forum
“Is rogue okay? He just keeps running around in circles before every pull”
steep carbon
I saw some changes that gave a better edge in play, but I am unknowledgeable on ass
tawny bloom
generally seems fun to play again. But you should give it a try in pugs tmrw or even with guild incase your guild organise raid for reworked specs/classes.
steep carbon
generally seems fun to play again. But you should give it a try in pugs tmrw or ...
thanks 🙂
whole mason
<@167090536602140682>
so we can ask priest to do a flounder and swap hp for ashes' passive during our branch active dm burst?
and ofc pi us and heal us above 90% during dm
spice spire
Simple ask
shut owl
I saw some changes that gave a better _edge_ in play, but I am unknowledgeable o...
being knowledgeable on ass is an important life skill.
serious answer: if you like giga-burst in a slightly wacky way, its fun
whole mason
sounds like a great deal
steep carbon
being knowledgeable on ass is an important life skill.
serious answer: if you li...
hell yea
on both
past forum
being knowledgeable on ass is an important life skill.
serious answer: if you li...
it is one thing to know ass, it is another to blast it
tacit oar
wtf did i just read
dark token
i blast on ass every pull i do
reef nacelle
i eat sleep and breathe ass
spice surge
<@167090536602140682>
Fwiw theyve mentioned several times that "dire circumstances" (aka the proc) is different when solo
So its very possible it doesnt actually proc when youre below 10% in raids
dark token
dire conditions could be "your healer is out of mana"
thorn fjord
i eat sleep and breathe ass
i only eat ass
dark token
and then it procs to give the healer the stats instead
tacit oar
and then it procs to give the healer the stats instead
sounds like the mystery trinket from DOS
forgot the name
tacit oar
actually I liked it
strange python
oh the good old "???"
thorny pond
iqd
snow kindle
balmy condor
I need my pi for my campaign quests on servers that aren’t live yet
You don’t get it
I’m a gamer
dark token
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=705110442 this sheet will have good sims when its done
ETA 1-2 days
molten galleon
Where do I find current sims for 10.2 ? 🙂
dark token
Where do I find current sims for 10.2 ? 🙂
rogue is at !fuu
thorn fjord
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
molten galleon
oh no, so outlaw it is fuck
dark token
become the law
thorn fjord
Become the Out
molten galleon
I dont want this shit LUL
spice surge
If you go strictly by the sims yes
thorn fjord
Think its time to sneak out and nap in my car for 45 min
dark token
sin is also good without new tier
dont play sub without new tier tho
u will hate yourself
molten galleon
also need timestrike dagger for being compedetive no?
limber lion
...
No
You need it as much as you need a 6ilvl upgrade on your belt
So BASICALLY NECESSARY AND UNPLAYABLE WITHOUT IT
tacit oar
6ilv is huge
hexed willow
Practically the difference between zero and hero
spice spire
spice surge
It kinda baffles me how people look at something simming 0.2% less and just go "yep that other thing is utter complete useless garbage that should never be used because its not bis"
Or rather how many people there are that seem to think this way
grand trail
this look like more than 0,.2 but idk https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html
limber lion
Yeah always been like that, as much as we try to help people understand
Same with stats
grand trail
i did not make chart
limber lion
this look like more than 0,.2 but idk https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T3...
Wtf are you talking about
slate crown
I mean subtlety is deaderer, didn't even make the list bozo
balmy condor
i did not make chart
No one said you did
grand trail
i just saw someone posted in ol channel
balmy condor
If everyone else is allowed to say stupid shit because they saw a sim stack
Then by god I’m allowed to as well
gilded oasis
no, only you cant
dark token
this look like more than 0,.2 but idk https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T3...
where sub
balmy condor
You're held to a higher standard
It’s a joke brother calm down
strange python
I thought I was being calm
grand trail
looking at !fuu than right below ol 😄
strange python
and funny
past forum
It kinda baffles me how people look at something simming 0.2% less and just go "...
i'm assuming most people have gaslight themselves into thinking that way cause they assume everyone in the world expects them to care that much about such small margins
slim hamlet
I need my pi for my campaign quests on servers that aren’t live yet
legit what I am saying
iron stump
@balmy condor question would your 10.2 ptr rogue WA be good to use for when servers go up or should just stick to the older one and just use the pooling WA?
balmy condor
I’m already rock hard thinking about how many brain rotted apes are going to rail my ass when assa bugs get fixed and the spec is magically at the top of their dumb fucking spec stack charts
glossy imp
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> question would your 10.2 ptr rogue WA be good to use for ...
The new one should work
limber lion
Me and you brother
spice surge
And theyll come out and claim you were sandbagging all along
🐀
^ thats them, not you
unique sorrel
And theyll come out and claim you were sandbagging all along
its obviously all Whispyr's fault
keen spruce
when yall start posting wowanalyzers that don't look like murder scenes and wep enchant procs don't swing your dps by 20k then you can start complaining 1% gains and losses
polar cape
Or worst they gonna call whyps a boumy player
keen spruce
flint tusk
I’m already rock hard thinking about how many brain rotted apes are going to rai...
bug fix brainrot right here
spice spire
And theyll come out and claim you were sandbagging all along
Classic rogue tactics
flint tusk
along with PI prio it's going to trigger the fuck outta people
balmy condor
^ thats them, not you
Might as well be me the way I’m trying to spread a plague and make Darwin proud these people are in the gene pool can you believe that
dark token
I’m already rock hard thinking about how many brain rotted apes are going to rai...
what bugs, dont think the blindside tier set interaction is a bug, are there others im not aware about
slim hamlet
And theyll come out and claim you were sandbagging all along
They already said this in outlaw channel earlier
xdddd
spice spire
Might as well be me the way I’m trying to spread a plague and make Darwin proud ...
HUH
spice surge
Classic rogue tactics
Or when they ultra buff ashes to be good, theyll come in here 2 minutes after its been posted (before wowhead picked up the post) and ask why whispyrs hasnt changed the bis profile yet
flint tusk
what bugs, dont think the blindside tier set interaction is a bug, are there oth...
stacks fall off faster than they should
limber lion
And theyll come out and claim you were sandbagging all along
Or Assa just suddenly becomes the best spec because of SCALING
unique sorrel
mfw 1% changes dont matter when the people complaining are playing 20% off efficient play 
balmy condor
you spend no energy on blindside
Astute obversation
slim hamlet
you spend no energy on blindside
lethal dose and 2pc bug
feral mason
might just start playing assa so I never have to look at the outlaw channel again
burnt venture
Is it slowmode:30 yet? 😆
limber lion
No bug fixes or anything here, just scaling
spice surge
Astute obversation
Astute is a great word, good choice
slim hamlet
might just start playing assa so I never have to look at the outlaw channel agai...
based
dark token
No bug fixes or anything here, just scaling
banned word
green figures should know better
slim hamlet
No bug fixes or anything here, just scaling
how much % crit for optimal scaling?
spice surge
banned word
Scale deez nuts
spice spire
No bug fixes or anything here, just scaling
In this economy?
feral mason
Unironically was trying assa on ptr and it got the best dps out of my feelcrafted rotation
slim hamlet
and does wound poison scale better?
feral mason
kinda fun too
limber lion
what bugs, dont think the blindside tier set interaction is a bug, are there oth...
Just because you're not aware doesn't mean there isn't others
feral mason
assassinpilled 🫡
limber lion
The entire 2p is fucked
dark token
Just because you're not aware doesn't mean there isn't others
thats why i asked "are there others"
the answer seems to be yes
limber lion
Check the githun
flint tusk
just ignored me then lel
limber lion
Github
thorn fjord
@limber lion Resubbing or nah?
balmy condor
just ignored me then lel
sorry you don't have the funny color name
flint tusk
sorry you don't have the funny color name
yeh, i'm just a nobody 
feral mason
just ignored me then lel
soviet has a hard time computing multiple replies at once dont take it personally
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> Resubbing or nah?
I mean I'm always subbed, but the question is whether we playing or nah :')
Casual andy gaming only here
haughty flicker
yeh, i'm just a nobody <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
everyone point and laugh at the nobody 
velvet robin
doesnt matter if sin rogue is good or not, blizzard will buff the shit out of warlocks all season until multiple specs are bis and everyone else is f tier
dark token
https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1152 yo this is a poggers bug
flint tusk
everyone point and laugh at the nobody <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
Outlaw enjoyer
thorn fjord
Casual andy gaming only here
boooo
slate crown
the answer seems to be yes
the stacks go bye bye after hitting max stacks.
limber lion
https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1152 yo this is a poggers bu...
Already fixed
Beat you to it
slate crown
ayup
flint tusk
mustve been the wind
perfect. real rogues go unnoticed. 
dark token
i dont see a 2p bug on github
flint tusk
dark token
https://tenor.com/view/facedesk-gif-5907213
i know what you said
im looking at the github bug tracker
to see a perfect description
flint tusk
// 2023-11-06 -- Currently, removal of stacks appears to be scheduled regardless of if stacks are maxed/refreshed
// This causes removal of stacks that may not originate from the initial trigger and lower expected uptime
limber lion
dark token
ah its in the other github
lusty steeple
the stacks go bye bye after hitting max stacks.
I'm digging this WA - where can I find it? or custom?
stiff vale
Is there a race sim somewhere in the wowhead guide? Kinda curious to know what that’s looking like.
dark token
Is there a race sim somewhere in the wowhead guide? Kinda curious to know what t...
human > rest for degen rep grind week 1-2
slate crown
I'm digging this WA - where can I find it? or custom?
https://wago.io/s2JVzLWHs - The stacks in the image are not part of the pack, I just added them to test and show the 2pc behavior
stiff vale
I was thinking about going back to nelf but stoneform is too good…good to know about that in ToT, thx
night plover
I don't have the brain cells to sort through tier lists and deep dives and Google doc writeups.
We gamin' or lamin' in s3
dark token
yesm
slim hamlet
bugfix = gaming
dark token
if all specs bugfixed outlaw still wins prob because subterfuge is not doubling CTO proc chance
feral mason
that’s been the case for a while hasnt it
not saying its intentional just seems like its less likely to get fixed
ornate aspen
Outlaw BiS spec would be interesting to see. As long as it's not sub for the 3rd tier in a row
night plover
Pirates 🤢
slim hamlet
i am talking about sin
feral mason
eh anything is fine either way as long as stuff is playable
keen spruce
I was thinking about going back to nelf but stoneform is too good…good to know a...
but to answer your questions the guides normally don't cover races because the actual dps gains are usually minimal and people get very cringe about it. Until something changes dwarf is always gonna be a good pick for m+ cuz of stoneform. all of the elves can be situationally good but often their utility doesn't matter.
slim hamlet
not the drunken pirate gamblers
ornate aspen
That vers stack tho
ornate aspen
20 dr
balmy condor
it's capped
night plover
how could outlaw be bis
I rolled the bones, they said the spec is lame
feral mason
outlaw players when they see route has 9+ mobs in a pull 
keen spruce
cap this
slim hamlet
outlaw being capped is like the SnD talk
It keeps coming back
for no fucking reason
spice surge
it's capped
Not to mention outlaw is not augmentation
ornate aspen
If the tank pulls more than 8 I leave the key
slim hamlet
Augmentation is the main character
We are just side characters living in their world
balmy condor
for no fucking reason
it comes back with good reason, outlaw will
NEVER
be meta
as long as its capped
haughty flicker
If the tank pulls more than 8 I leave the key
real
slim hamlet
it comes back with good reason, outlaw will
# NEVER
be meta
so based bestie
balmy condor
ignoring the 9 patches where it was meta
feral mason
i mean i feel like season 1 barely had any insane pulls
like brackenhide has this season
warm shard
Will Assass be lower than expected now with the 2pc stack bug?
slim hamlet
Yesterday I got told outlaw isn't the usual best rogue spec
feral mason
only first pull ruby ig
slim hamlet
So I believe that
haughty flicker
Yesterday I got told outlaw isn't the usual best rogue spec
twisting words
unlucky
spice surge
i mean i feel like season 1 barely had any insane pulls
Academy brother
simple ore
ignoring the 9 patches where it was meta
I legit saw someone in the outlaw discussion saying "I wish outlaw could be the best spec for once"
balmy condor
double outlaw m+ during reaping
with reaping famously being the lowest pull count m+ season to ever exist
feral mason
Academy brother
holy fuck i forgot that whole dungeon existed
slim hamlet
twisting words
aight bet
feral mason
my bad
ember mural
double outlaw m+ during reaping
with reaping famously being the lowest pull cou...
It was triple for a lil while too 
balmy condor
true
strong sleet
didnt outlaw sim best or really good all addon for the start of every season and got nerved in week 2 or something?
feral mason
remember respeccing to sub for that and everything now
keen spruce
slim hamlet
1v1 me classic hardcore bro
haughty flicker
ignoring the entire conversation
keen spruce
I want to see level 1 gnomes
slim hamlet
lvl 1 mages
haughty flicker
aight leggo
balmy condor
I'll twist your words into a mute this channel is busy enough without you clowns arguing in it go fight in dms
slim hamlet
ignoring the *entire* conversation
First message is first message of the entire thing, 2nd is 2nd of the entire thing, idk what I ignored but I am making my mage right now
haughty flicker
I'll twist your words into a mute this channel is busy enough without you clowns...
yeah sorry, like i said i wont get back into it here dw
spice spire
Say less
slim hamlet
slow mode us
I would like to give you it in slow mode baby
balmy condor
yeah sorry, like i said i wont get back into it here dw
the ice you're on is thicker dw
spice spire
slim hamlet
wtf does that mean
feral mason
secret technique no longer fucks
feral mason
real
slim hamlet
I still don't get it
balmy condor
Oh I get it. It’s a secret to wow gamers because they don’t have it
dog talking
spice spire
Bro don’t
feral mason
people were calling it sec tech and the ability absolutely fucks mobs
i thought it was a funny lil nickname
heady drum
balmy condor
oxi's a god damn monkey
slim hamlet
bro forgot our duck
spice spire
Rh actually just collecting animals
spice spire
Rename CFs to zoo exhibits
thorn fjord
It’s only 3 est on a patch day… slow mode on the horizon trust 
feral mason
has there ever been slow mode in assa?
balmy condor
many times
slim hamlet
yes
thorn fjord
Buddy
feral mason
season 1 nerfs or what
slim hamlet
idk why tho
thorn fjord
Has there ever 🤣🤣
slim hamlet
thorn fjord
I got a 48 hour mute back in S1 from whispyr lolol
slim hamlet
Many class discords have permanent slow mode
feral mason
I just see the bullshit going on in outlaw and in the meantime i look in here and theres cat pics being posted
Idfk
slim hamlet
Somehow rogue discord is actually pretty good
balmy condor
I got a 48 hour mute back in S1 from whispyr lolol
slim hamlet
compared
dark token
I got a 48 hour mute back in S1 from whispyr lolol
for what
haughty flicker
Many class discords have permanent slow mode
the dk transmog channel is on perma slowmode because people kept getting upset over it
thorn fjord
<:BASEDDEPT:876080335174139904>
I’ve learned from my terrible ways
slim hamlet
"correct" 
haughty flicker
was funny as fuck
cerulean walrus
Outlaw capped? Lol bad.