assassination

[rare jackal]

not the finality buff

but rather empowered rupture

[woeful meteor]

cool people dont run cttc cause pressing snd is fun

[static glacier]

Ah, I guess that is actually missing

[shadow helm]

ah

masochists

[rare jackal]

@woeful meteor oh hey bro

[static glacier]

Low-key, I don’t even mind it on sub / OL

[elder torrent]

Btw when I was playing Sub I took all the things you told me And studied it and then I was a Blaster lol went from shit to not so shit

[earnest remnant]

glad to be of help

[elder torrent]

I wonder if its just hard for me to pool because I have like 4% haste on PTR lol

Low Energy regen makes me not able to pool long either even with like as close to .1 envenoms

[quiet sand]

Do you guys think it could be viable to play Ashes over playing branch while raid leading or is the difference really that big?

[balmy condor]

its that big

[elder torrent]

I asked above and its Big

[balmy condor]

if you don't use branch you don't play assa

that simple

[quiet sand]

I see, thanks.

[midnight mist]

Wtf

[shadow helm]

are those new assa talents

or gear

[elder torrent]

branch is gear

Witherbark's Branch

[balmy condor]

[elder torrent]

It spawns 3 orbs Giga Mastery for a long time

[balmy condor]

first non-branch setup

is 5% worse

[elder torrent]

also I thought Signet Brand was getting nerfed awhile back or did it?

[quiet sand]

So is Branch Signet Brand still the go to trinkets?

[balmy condor]

it did get nerfed

[balmy condor]

for single target yes

[midnight mist]

Kinda cringe

[elder torrent]

is Aoe Pip and Branch?

[balmy condor]

yes

[elder torrent]

assumed as much lmao

[midnight mist]

Tbh it was similar last season with all trinkets being omega ass compared to bomb beacon

[static glacier]

you simmed something like walking forward and right to one orb then standing still for the others to reach you?

[midnight mist]

For outlaw at least

[balmy condor]

sims are assuming 1/1/7

[elder torrent]

I should sleeb

[woeful meteor]

how visible are the orbs?

cant wait for halondrus trinket on halondrus again

[shadow helm]

is branch like the dancing scroll trinket from nathria

omg

[elder torrent]

also I love how you said you were gonna go to bed and now you're back here lmao

[balmy condor]

I have things I need to finish

[static glacier]

how d'you know he's not in bed right now

https://tenor.com/view/tired-cat-texting-in-bed-me-in-bed-gif-14635242

[elder torrent]

the Closet

was open

just let myself in for a minute

[balmy condor]

they're kinda like 60% transparency halondrus motes

[elder torrent]

Then I quickly Vanished out

[elder torrent]

yeah I was gonna ask about that

is there a way to make them more visable in anyway?

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

open your eyes wider

[elder torrent]

not possible for a WA to make them glow?

I don't know the extent of wa's powers lol

[balmy condor]

the extent of wa's powers are not that

you just have to see them

[keen spruce]

if you're running toxic toxic then 2nd place might compete with brand

if brand is muching

badly

probably doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

nah

simming accurately

toxic good

[keen spruce]

how to you sim munch

just % chance?

[balmy condor]

the heal is coded in

[keen spruce]

o

[blazing jewel]

We toxic

[keen spruce]

I got 25% of my thorns munched on my sark kill

[balmy condor]

that's about what brand does

if you pick up the orbs instantly

and don't game it at all

still -2.6%

[shut owl]

the real question is what's our fated angle... puzzlebox or witherbark?

[distant helm]

Ill die for my orbs in prog then

[elder torrent]

Whats a decent % for haste I should go for ? because when I was watching your PTR rotation ST build your energy was going up like twice as fast as mine

[midnight mist]

what about both

what if you press whiterbark pre pull and run around

can you do that

to get the orbs later

[surreal nova]

oh god

[midnight mist]

and stack 2 trinkets

[oak eagle]

quick question, whats the normal rotation for sin outside cds? is it just mut mut envem and reapply dots/

[balmy condor]

can't do that

on-use shared cooldown would fuck you over

[balmy condor]

ye

[midnight mist]

well its 20s tho

[shut owl]

"yeah I'm gonna need lust saved for about 20 seconds so I can gimmick this doulble trinket for 1 second of KB overlap"

[oak eagle]

dubski

[midnight mist]

if you can run around for 20s

or does the shared cooldown trigger when you pick up the last orb ?

[balmy condor]

the orb only lasts for 20 seconds

[midnight mist]

seems fine to me

press at -18 pull timer

take all at the last moment

stack double trinket

infinite damage

[balmy condor]

yeah except our burst is a 20-25 gcd sequence

[distant helm]

Someone stop this guy cooking

[shut owl]

the most blursed timeline

[midnight mist]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

and our main damage source is 2 dots, one of which is 16 seconds, and the other is 14 seconds

[midnight mist]

well that still sound fine to me

[earnest remnant]

sub's dmg is pretty much instant

[midnight mist]

ok we do that on sub then

lets go

[balmy condor]

you'd have to get it lined up so that the 10 second orb buff doesn't run out before the end of kingsbane

but also so that you can puzzle box

[midnight mist]

oh my oh my

sound so fun

[surreal nova]

...

[balmy condor]

so you pick up last orb around uhhhhhh

13 seconds in

[midnight mist]

any sims mister whispyr??

[balmy condor]

and then puzzle box

[dusky atlas]

[balmy condor]

if that's something I have to sim in fated then so be it

[oak eagle]

should i be saving shiv during my second kingsbane until theres 7 seconds left on it since itll be the hardest hitting ticks?

[midnight mist]

gg

[indigo mulch]

Aren't we undersimming quite a lot cause of the bugs?

[midnight mist]

sin lost

[balmy condor]

shiv is 8 seconds, so if you just chain the debuff back to back it'll cover the whole kingsbane naturally

[oak eagle]

okay

[flint tusk]

Puzzle box and Branch in Season 4 Pog

[midnight mist]

so glad outlaw cant use burst trinkets

[oak eagle]

Sin wasnt using Sporecloak, right?

[indigo mulch]

it was.

[midnight mist]

it was

[elder torrent]

it was.

[indigo mulch]

Not anymore though 😄

[midnight mist]

all 3 specs really

seems that all 3 can now swap to toxic toxic

the toxic duo

[indigo mulch]

So toxic.

[oak eagle]

insanely toxic tbh

[flint tusk]

Toxic boots for a toxic class

[shut owl]

whispyr I gotta say "provides esoteric dps" is a phrase I wasn't expecting but put a smile on my face for some reason lol

[balmy condor]

Any excuse to use the word esoteric

Good word

[oak eagle]

tf is esoteric

never even heard of the word

[indigo mulch]

Silly words.

[elder torrent]

You'd have to be esoteric to understand

[oak eagle]

silly words used by even sillier people, eh?

[final star]

feeling so silly

[indigo mulch]

True!

[oak eagle]

i always knew this discord was weird

you guys are weird

[balmy condor]

Basically means difficult to understand or very confusing unless you have a very deep knowledge of the concept

[final star]

so the word esoteric is techinically esoteric in this case

[oak eagle]

any idea when youll be posting the in depth guide of pooling whispyr

[surreal nova]

gobbledygook

[elder torrent]

Thats why I said they'd have to be Esoteric to understand

[oak eagle]

its a new consept to me, and your vids are way easier to grasp than others ive tried to watch

[dusky atlas]

Will be impressed if you could fit floccinaucinihilipilification in there somewhere

https://i.imgur.com/qRDUcfg.png

[elder torrent]

@final star lolol

[final star]

silly minds think silly

[elder torrent]

True

True

[clever niche]

Esoteric is a great word so is it's antonym: abtruse

[balmy condor]

Like if I said “having 300 max energy is a dps increase over having 150 max energy, without any other talents involved”

That’s fairly esoteric

Cause on first glance it’s just more max

Doesn’t make a difference

[indigo mulch]

Who uploads profiles sims for simc.org T31_raid?

[elder torrent]

I just wish Thistle tea gave like 150 Energy back or something Q~Q

100 seems bleh

[midnight mist]

us

[balmy condor]

But if you understand how more max energy can be used

Then gg

[balmy condor]

Probably cranking out like 4-5 smaller videos this week if I can

[indigo mulch]

How is it that whisypr has 235k while this one is 230k? o.O What's the difference there?

[final star]

I just press buttons i have no idea how anything works

[oak eagle]

same

i just see

big dam numbers

[shut owl]

I gotta figure out whats going in my ambush spot now :/

[final star]

ambush

[oak eagle]

has anyone here made a details plugin for when you vanish it doesnt give you a new segment?

[balmy condor]

Guessing that the profile went in with sporecloak or something

[midnight mist]

where do you see that actually

[balmy condor]

There’s a setting for that, dynamic overall or something

[midnight mist]

im not sure the simc profiles have been rebuild yet

[surreal nova]

didnt you post a 247 at some point? or was that from one of your videos lately?

[strange python]

Does your guys' leeching poison disappear a lot (or do you just not even take that talent)

[indigo mulch]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html this one?

[midnight mist]

YOO

[flint tusk]

Zac did you intend to paint a big target on your back with that sim?

[balmy condor]

I posted a 252k at one point even but such is the life of tuning and bugs

[midnight mist]

outlaw tier frrf

[surreal nova]

hmkk

[normal mist]

@balmy condor you must have read this question a thousand times this last week, sorry if that's the case: when will the new guides / rotation / etc hit the FaQ?

[midnight mist]

all other specs are sandbagging

[balmy condor]

When I update them

[normal mist]

Thanks man, appreciate the hard work

[indigo mulch]

I mean once they fix 2p and the other bugs, we should be around 250k aswell right?

I mean.. IF they fix them

lmao

[flint tusk]

blizzard right now

https://tenor.com/view/aim-he-virtuoso-target-in-sight-sniper-assassin-gif-20879443

[balmy condor]

Yeah around there

[flint tusk]

Outlaw is in my sights

[keen spruce]

no no see they're gonna bandaid buff us first

then fix it

[oak eagle]

you should know blizz by now, they dont fix anything about rogue until like 10 weeks into the patch

[keen spruce]

we'll be at 270k

[subtle kiln]

99.99999% of the time it’s a sim case.

[keen spruce]

then they nerf us into oblivion

[blazing jewel]

After prog

[midnight mist]

ye idk what happened with these sims ngl

[flint tusk]

but in so doing they nerf our sustain but buff our burst

[midnight mist]

seems like everyone but outlaw lost like 8k dps gg

we are so based

[flint tusk]

1m assa burst opener here we come!

[midnight mist]

oh we are the only spec that isnt using sporecloak of course

im dumb

outplayed

[indigo mulch]

[flint tusk]

dumb isn't the word i'd use. you're a smart guy
just slightless less observant

[keen spruce]

plz christ don't make me play pirate again

my fingies still hurt from s1

[blazing jewel]

Zac

[midnight mist]

sorry you saw the sims

[oak eagle]

my raid team during prog made fun of me for not using sporecloak

[midnight mist]

outlaw tier

[oak eagle]

i just laughed at them

[surreal nova]

its not a pirate anymore. its a ninja murder marksman now

[flint tusk]

i'm waiting for the 'broken' sub sim

[blazing jewel]

Remember when last tier was supposed to be an outlaw tier

[midnight mist]

stop scanna

[blazing jewel]

I did 50 fucking keys week 1

[oak eagle]

remember when everything was supposed to be an outlaw tier?

[blazing jewel]

All in outlaw spec

Just to practice for the outlaw tier

[feral mason]

retirement home is outlaw tier

[midnight mist]

dont be mean scanna

[elder torrent]

Vanish Resets 💀

[indigo mulch]

See, i just play Assassination. I'm a one trick who refuses to go outside his comfort zone.

[rare jackal]

based

[indigo mulch]

[keen spruce]

i think this was all week 1 and 2

[subtle kiln]

where did you post them?

[flint tusk]

oof

[midnight mist]

i didnt

[subtle kiln]

ah

i'm ready for pirate life. we set sail in 11.0 for pirate isalnd

[elder torrent]

also Vanish resets do work in 10.2 I have tested lol

[quiet oar]

We dont know, zac hasnt dont the Hero talent sims

[midnight mist]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html can see them here

[rare jackal]

woah look at all the new stuff rogue gets
locks in assa build with the least amount of buttons

[flint tusk]

"oh look we get PI now"

[subtle kiln]

it’s always sub in heroic. then it gets deleted for mythic

[quiet oar]

[flint tusk]

i can't wait for fatebound to be required for outlaw

the outrage will be real

[subtle kiln]

those havoc sims...

same for Veng

[midnight mist]

have you seen the sin sims ?

outrageous

[subtle kiln]

dead spec, why would I check those

[midnight mist]

these sin TCers ..

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[subtle kiln]

didnt even make it to the nerf stage of a rework like Ret

[surreal nova]

speaking of dead specs, didnt we have a 3rd spec at some point?

[oak eagle]

yeah screw them sin TCers

[oak eagle]

yeah I think it was pretty good back in leigon and then it just vanished like avatar aang

[balmy condor]

12.0 Midnight Prepatch Guides Please Read

Wowhead (updated)

by @balmy condor

Icyveins (updated)

by @marble hemlock

Method (not updated yet)

by @balmy condor

The info should be very similar across all the guides since me and @marble hemlock share info and discuss. Wowhead most likely will be the most in-depth.

[indigo mulch]

People are going to look at the T31 sims and be like "oh sin sucks i pley outlaw cuz amazin sim" then realize you need a wrist operation after one tier playing outlaw.

[flint tusk]

puts on glasses time to proof read

[midnight mist]

ok so we have to read now

[royal lantern]

what is this "read"

[midnight mist]

great ..

cant even watch video while pooping

[subtle kiln]

@vestal wren finally got the right idea and isn't posting anything.

[surreal nova]

i hope theres pictures

[flint tusk]

wait outlaw players have learned how to read now?

[royal lantern]

guides should be writen with emotes

[flint tusk]

since when

[subtle kiln]

text to speech

[surreal nova]

my guild lead only comunicates in gifs and pics now -.-

[midnight mist]

coming from the spec that needs videos to understand the rotation

[flint tusk]

savage

[grim jay]

Pew pew

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/indeztv-indez-faceroll-indez-faceroll-keyboard-roll-gif-21390062

outlaw every patch

[subtle kiln]

@midnight mist when do the my dps is fine in M+ and aoe, but falls off hard in ST start so you can point out everything theyre doing wrong but not noticing

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-miss-cat-couple-gif-21270886

[flint tusk]

gifs are bis lets me real

[midnight mist]

bro what

tf did you just say

i have read it 3 times now

[subtle kiln]

you heard me ;p

[midnight mist]

i still dont understand

[subtle kiln]

concussion kicked in

[flint tusk]

i think you've given everyone concussion in this chat with that one

[subtle kiln]

i'm waitin for the outlaw my ST dps sucks but is fine in AOE where their mistakes get masked

[surreal nova]

his st is lacking and he is looking for help is what im reading

[subtle kiln]

youre welcome

can you me as a medical excuse for work

[flint tusk]

it countered my cronic headache

somehow i'm cured

[shut owl]

sounds based ngl

[midnight mist]

me when the st but aoe and st damage low but fine aslo mistake with bf but st

[subtle kiln]

we have a cat that makes PowerPoint presentations

[royal lantern]

yes

[surreal nova]

i called her a cave-women and she just keeps answering with more pics and gifs

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[rotund oak]

cave women good,u just smack em with ur wooden glob and drag her back to the cave for reproduction

saves u time

lul

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

any new whispar video

[indigo mulch]

[surreal nova]

kinda like that, also a lot of cats yes

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

what

the fuck

[indigo mulch]

I'm i the only one who gets arroused by that?

[surreal nova]

not judging, seen worse

[midnight mist]

i hope one day sap get permaed from this discord

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[keen spruce]

don't you have that authority

[royal lantern]

abuse the power zac

[woeful meteor]

peak game

[royal lantern]

[indigo mulch]

[keen spruce]

aint

[midnight mist]

ye

[keen spruce]

no

way

[flint tusk]

oof

[rotund oak]

we got a cvc man

[flint tusk]

not even playing warcraft rumble what a casual

[rotund oak]

😄

[quiet oar]

Sap checking all the boxes

[royal lantern]

omw to play 7hours RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS

[indigo mulch]

[royal lantern]

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/raid-raidshadowlegends-pizza-hungry-reaction-gif-8439676325244709019

[quiet oar]

AND COMING TO MY TODAY SPONSOR

RAID SHAODW LEGENDS

[indigo mulch]

💸

[rotund oak]

bis game,works on phone

[subtle kiln]

did you get you 3 days of early release for 11.0?

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-back-estoy-de-vuelta-toy-story2-gif-26436333

[indigo mulch]

Of course o:

[keen spruce]

good morning

[slim hamlet]

We back normal off-topic

[keen spruce]

you missed the end of ptr

smh

[slim hamlet]

What happened

[keen spruce]

nothing

[slim hamlet]

...

[keen spruce]

everyone went to bed

[flint tusk]

well

[keen spruce]

it was like 5 of us in there sayin goodbye

[oak eagle]

i didnt realize how much this class can burst for

i think i saw my peak at like 330

[rotund oak]

ST burst?

sin can go higher

much higher

[oak eagle]

yeah i figured

but you see

im dogshit

so

[rotund oak]

u r not dogshit

[oak eagle]

i so am

i havent touched this spec

since like s2 sl

[rotund oak]

stop calling ur self names

doesnt matter

everyone starts from somewhere

[oak eagle]

this is why im on ptr

so i can get ready for raiding

in a week

[rotund oak]

thats good stuff

keep training,it will come at u in time

[oak eagle]

i mean, im also staring at my other monitor so i can see if im doing it properly

so i coulda had a higher number

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna do my standard put off practicing anything new

realize i have to raid in like 30 minutes

[oak eagle]

LMAO

[keen spruce]

then go hit a target dummy and pray

[rotund oak]

very

responsible

[clever sapphire]

then still do more dmg than 70% of your raid group, cause you are just that good

[keen spruce]

idk man when u have to start hitting things in the right order

[rotund oak]

like in raid im playing.If u do that on the clan i am which happens to be hightier competitive u getting a boot shav'd up ur butt

[clever sapphire]

pff dont you have the castorder macro ready yet?

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agree-gif-26233397

[keen spruce]

I don't even know where i'm keybinding the new talents

[oak eagle]

i wish i could commit to more days of raiding tbh

[clever sapphire]

my Kingsbane spot has been free since kingsbane got moved, so that spot is free

and my shadowdance spot is also free

and thats about it for new talents right?

[keen spruce]

lemmy hop on ptr actually

[royal lantern]

go away, we play Raid: Shadow Legends now

[keen spruce]

idk where i ended up putting stuff it might be super cursed

[quiet oar]

You guys have keybindings? I thought we clickin

[rotund oak]

[oak eagle]

im a big clicking gamer tbh

[keen spruce]

I do m+ with a 3400 clicker hpal

[flint tusk]

It's worked out perfectly for me.
my sub shadow dance key is my kingsbane key.
and as in single target we can macro dance to kingsbane. it's like just worked out awesome

obvs in m+ they won't be

[clever sapphire]

we not playing aug/devoker

[quiet oar]

Palas always are the lciker

[clever sapphire]

i wanna see someone play outlaw with clicking

[rotund oak]

Paladonks are gud

[flint tusk]

holy shit my hand is cramping just thinking about that

[clever sapphire]

@midnight mist how many subs so you raid with clicking only

[keen spruce]

it's worse than i thought

i have deadly poison on my bars somehow

[flint tusk]

LUL

yeh my PTR bars did that randomly

[keen spruce]

and kb is on my trinket keybind

idk where bone spike came from

[clever sapphire]

bonespike is always there, thats the secret

[midnight mist]

i mean

i can almost play outlaw with clicking its a bit hard tho

[rotund oak]

what kind of person has deathmark binded on 1 and poison on 2

[midnight mist]

sin is slow tho, sould be doable

[balmy condor]

Cursedloc logged in

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[clever sapphire]

nono i wanna see outlaw with clicking only

[oak eagle]

is there a way to get drums on ptr

[clever sapphire]

even movement abilities like hook and whatnot

[rotund oak]

not possible

[oak eagle]

or would i have to pick up LW and make them

[midnight mist]

i just wouldnt use hook lol

but doing the rotation by clicking is alright

[clever sapphire]

and people tell me im cursed, and here you say you could click outlaw

[midnight mist]

you are cursed

[keen spruce]

these are ptr bars idk how poison got there

so ambush no gone from the bars forever yes?

now*

[royal lantern]

zac, you like apm

play outlaw by using /cast abilityname only

[midnight mist]

if its ho ngl

clicking it would be easy

[royal lantern]

the ultimate apm

[midnight mist]

lol

[rotund oak]

The game memorizes ur last log on each server u log in

[royal lantern]

typing /cast Sinester Strike 2x a second

[rotund oak]

unless u have specified binds

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

idk good enough

[oak eagle]

how tf you move forward

[keen spruce]

s

[royal lantern]

huh

[midnight mist]

how tf you move backward

[royal lantern]

HUH

[keen spruce]

shift s

[oak eagle]

WHAT ARE THESE BINDS

[keen spruce]

look here

[woeful meteor]

[royal lantern]

shmeeps

stop

[midnight mist]

hm

[hearty reef]

Dude

[midnight mist]

make sense actually

[rotund oak]

and u were mocking me playing raid u mofos

[hearty reef]

Bruh

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

yall out here

[woeful meteor]

jpc light right there

[keen spruce]

wasting a perfectly good keybind on W

[rotund oak]

wheelchairs 😄

[keen spruce]

in premium real estate

[hearty reef]

Just buy a naga

[midnight mist]

oh ye no I just remmebered why it doesnt make sense

cant do rotation while moving if you have modifiers on movements abilities

gg

[keen spruce]

W very good bind

i manage

[royal lantern]

no you dont

[keen spruce]

i mean i could just unbind backpedal

[royal lantern]

you cope that its good

[keen spruce]

i don't use it

[royal lantern]

thata not managing it

[keen spruce]

W is good keybind

[clever sapphire]

T for throw knife, makes sense

[keen spruce]

u can convince me otherwise

prime real esate

[midnight mist]

ye

hm

idk how long it would take my brain to bind s to forward

[rotund oak]

U guys most likely cant play outlaw coz ur binds kinda bad

ngl 😄

no offense

[keen spruce]

I think i did it in MoP

[midnight mist]

offense taken

[quiet oar]

Just make a macro for it

[rotund oak]

toxic french cow

[quiet oar]

so we come full circle

[fallen forge]

ptr channel shut down before 10.2 dropped

[midnight mist]

when 10.2

[keen spruce]

look zxcv is defensives and utility, qwe(sometimes r) rotational, 1234 CDs

very simple

[oak eagle]

in 2 hour

[midnight mist]

real or cap

[fallen forge]

any last minute key enjoyers

[oak eagle]

2 1/2 hour for me

[plucky canopy]

S as move foward just destroys every other wasd game

[keen spruce]

f for kick cuz "fuck your cast", r for kidney cuz it makes people "reeeee", c for caprisun

[clever sapphire]

i accidentally did a 25 yesterday on my assa, my highest was a 21 untimed Vortex. So kinda ye

[midnight mist]

i need a trusted source confirming this highly sussy information

[plucky canopy]

F as kick is based

[keen spruce]

all very simple

[oak eagle]

yeah i cant not use w when ive been playing wasd games my entire life

[rotund oak]

''R'' is for interrupts

[subtle tundra]

why has zac been spending so much time in assa chat when he is outlaw brain

[fallen forge]

based

[keen spruce]

i play every other game with wasd

[subtle tundra]

no offense, youre just french

[rotund oak]

shift-R for focus kicks

[midnight mist]

bored

[plucky canopy]

R is flagelattion for me

[keen spruce]

oh i still have ER and CT keybound in ST

so much extra room these days

or im missing an ability

[plucky canopy]

My brain couldn't handle that I think

[flint tusk]

@fallen forge time for you to delete your ambush cancel aura macro

[rotund oak]

ambush cancel aura?

what

[midnight mist]

i have heard stuffs

[plucky canopy]

I have every possible ability as a keybind even if it is not used in years. So I have the keybind if u happen to need it again

Just as kingsbane on X

[flint tusk]

for blindside. but you know their name

[keen spruce]

i just have like moba hand placement, fps hand placement, and wow hand placement

[rotund oak]

oh ye,for sure but u know got me under surprise there

[plucky canopy]

I am proud of your brain tbh

[fallen forge]

2.5 hours before i change it

[keen spruce]

the real cursed one

is my moba palcement

cuz i put my pinky on q

i just didn't know how tf those games worked when league came out

[clever sapphire]

how do you even remember where your hand is in which game

[royal lantern]

f as kick gang o/

[keen spruce]

and i was like 4 abilities 4 fingers ez pz

[clever sapphire]

i cant remember it unless i play it

[flint tusk]

6 as kick gang or well solo gang

[keen spruce]

and i'm too old to change now

[clever sapphire]

kick on 0 (sounds cursed, but 0 is the first button on my keyboard next to 1)

[keen spruce]

like in between tilsday and 1?

[quiet oar]

You never disappoint

as Cursedloc

[midnight mist]

honestly its such wasted space that we dont click anything with our 2 most right fingers on the right hand

[clever sapphire]

i have a german keyboard, but its set to hungarian cause thats how i usually type. So i gotta remember where all the buttons are, and no im not setting it to german

[midnight mist]

we could have infinitly more binds

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren i need your tierlist that ranks stuff by the name

or somone else has it?

[keen spruce]

why no side buttons on mice for pinky and ring finger

[midnight mist]

ye

why

good question

[clever sapphire]

cause what would i place there

[midnight mist]

other binds

its free

[clever sapphire]

actually i could place all the focus macros there, that im not using

[fallen forge]

move wasd to tfgh

[keen spruce]

i mean i don't even have an mmo mouse

[vestal wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1161312754058137732/fixed.png

[rotund oak]

why would u bind kick there,thats for a smol cd ability relatively spamable for dmg

[keen spruce]

everything is pretty much just keys and shift modifiers

[fallen forge]

any tier list for which mains have the cutest feet

[clever sapphire]

i spam kick in keys, cause im mostly pugging and pugs dont have stun or kick bound apparently

[fallen forge]

asking for a friend

[midnight mist]

i think if i were to ever do that i would just move 1 key not more

i dont think i can extend left side as much as right side

could basically only ever press a

[flint tusk]

RIP modifers

[midnight mist]

left to s

[keen spruce]

i have a friend that plays with tfgh

[quiet oar]

use the arrow keys for moving

[fallen forge]

i dont use modifiers anyway

[rotund oak]

i spam kicks and focus kicks 24/7 and stun and all im a control freak,still cant bind my kick there,coz there are way better abilities to use on that bind thats its easily access'd

[keen spruce]

because "my pinky doesn't bend that far" (in reference to the shift key)

[midnight mist]

but it oes sound op tho

like at the very least you create 2/3 binds

[rotund oak]

u use ur pinky most liekly for that

its that easy

[flint tusk]

RIP 3x your keybinds

[clever sapphire]

tbf i only do the bare minimum to stun, if i wont die and healer wont die i dont care about whats happening

[keen spruce]

i'm pretty sure she's an alien

ngl

[clever sapphire]

other dps can worry about themselves

[fallen forge]

i mean i use an mmo mouse with an in built controller modifier for it so i never bothered lmao

altho i dont use focus macros for interrupts or stops

[clever sapphire]

all my shit is mouseover, cause i have tricks on tank as focus macro

i never accidentally kicked the wrong mob or something like that, couldnt be me

[rotund oak]

u should try,takes ur control on an entire different lvl

it takes time to master but once done,u are alot better in everything

[fallen forge]

i used to have mouseover for everything and decided against that after playing ele lmao

[rotund oak]

whatever the class or specc tbh

[clever sapphire]

i dont do mouseover for ranged, cause i got time to click anyways during casts

[rotund oak]

doesnt matter

[slim hamlet]

Mine has

[rotund oak]

mod macros are just too powerful

[slim hamlet]

Just get a better mouse

[fallen forge]

ye but i only really just push up to the 22-23 range if ever

[rotund oak]

doesnt matter,it will come at u once its infront of u

alot of ppl dont try coz they are bored to even start

[quiet oar]

Or you keep being cursed

Just be true to yourself

[clever sapphire]

huh did someone call me

[quiet oar]

Nah must be hallucination

[fallen forge]

just be urself king

[quiet oar]

Cursedloc

Is cursed so long

Im used to it

[fallen forge]

ye fr tho im actually gonna try to push this tier so might as well figure it out once i learn the new sin and law rotations

[strange python]

Is there a Dance/Kingsbane macro - or we just basically /cast Shadow Dance + /cast Kingsbane?
Or should you not macro them together?

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushin bud

[clever sapphire]

thats what i usually do, made quite a few people mad already in other guilds tho

[clever sapphire]

since you play it in aoe too, you probably dont want to macro the 2 together

[fallen forge]

iirc you dont always dance with kingsbane in m+ but i could be completely wrong so just dont bother with what i said

[strange python]

ok

thanks

[flint tusk]

single target talents can probs macro together
aoe/m+ you'll want them split can just do that by loadouts though

[limber lion]

Don't listen to the haters

Macro em if you wanna

[strange python]

If we did macro them - it's just as simple as casting both (but you want shadow dance first right)?

[limber lion]

Yes

[kind forge]

just make a lot of shd macros on modifiers:

• Dance + KB
• Dance + Garrote
• only Dance
  

[vestal wren]

dance macros

is this the sub channel?

[distant helm]

Its the refugee sub channel

[clever sapphire]

everyone is here, its back to being wow-general

[slim hamlet]

Is this a thing yet

!​Whispyr

Aight

[kind forge]

refugee camp for the dust hater ig

[slim hamlet]

But outlaw does more dmg

Why not refugee there

[clever sapphire]

cause assa cooler

is that even a question

[slim hamlet]

Based

[clever sapphire]

me? i would never

[keen spruce]

every rogue secretly wants to be an ass rogue

[kind forge]

assa has daggers and stole dance

[slim hamlet]

^

[subtle tundra]

im more of a tits rogue

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw had dance for 2 patches

Wat

[quiet oar]

[clever sapphire]

here come the yellow guy

[slim hamlet]

Always

Tsk Tsk tsk

[clever sapphire]

who has the ASSA snd icon

[slim hamlet]

[clever sapphire]

even yellow names cant escape assa

[keen spruce]

picturing a pirate fading in and out of stealth in shadow dance gives me big pirates of the caribean jack sparrow "i have no idea what i'm doing but it's working" vibes

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that their fantasy

[quiet oar]

I mean i would have taken the SnD icon for outlaw as well

But it was made for this channel

[slim hamlet]

Drunken gambler that's just here for fun

[quiet oar]

You should stop talking bout this

[slim hamlet]

[quiet oar]

You have check things for every spec

[slim hamlet]

Now what does that mean

[clever sapphire]

i just realised you have the forbidden role, snd doesnt even exist anymore

[quiet oar]

I explained it to you yesterday

Sub Color, KIR Icon, Sin OTP name

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

[quiet oar]

It exists

in my heart

[slim hamlet]

They do be calling me Mr. Worldwide

[clever sapphire]

i had my role before it became cool smh

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roomba-funny-animals-gif-12030326

[keen spruce]

i must bedge. see you in 10.2

[slim hamlet]

Kir is still my favourite ability in the game

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-good-game-gif-21460074

[quiet oar]

Im waiting for your Zac chasing Baguette gif

[keen spruce]

i'll make it during downtime when i wake up

[static glacier]

Imagine outlaw not going in C smh

[rare jackal]

god why are wowhead guides so obnoxious to navigate

[clever sapphire]

are they?

[vestal wren]

haha

[midnight mist]

They are

Wowhead Is also extremely laggy

Cool website tho

[plucky canopy]

On phone still better than having the half screen ad on icy veins 😂

[midnight mist]

[eternal heath]

IV ads are so bad lol

[slim hamlet]

It's rough

Wowhead also bad on phone tho

[scarlet aspen]

what happened to sin 10.2 sim? ~10k lower than before

[slim hamlet]

But not that bad

[eternal heath]

I paid for wowhead for a short bit because the ads killed performance

[slim hamlet]

Bugs

[flint tusk]

ads what are those?

[slim hamlet]

And sporecloak nerf (idk if that's in)

[scarlet aspen]

bugs on apl or the actual game play

[flint tusk]

yes

[eternal heath]

[dark token]

@balmy condor you are recommending 2x sophic devotion in ur guide but latest sin sims I've seen use 2x wafting

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tRkx6tEmhjzoRSpBMzGM18

[limber lion]

Gameplay

[dark token]

Not like it matters that much but thought I'd point out the discrepancy

[limber lion]

We mimic the bugs on live in the sims

[sturdy mesa]

Based

[scarlet aspen]

i see, what are the bugs exactly?

[dark token]

Also what happened to the sin 250k sim dream 😥

Did the blindside not contributing to tier set + sporecloak lower it that much?

[pulsar dirge]

it's so over..

😄

[limber lion]

Inconsistency with 2p, not procing with Blindside Ambush and so on

[sturdy mesa]

Omg it’s joever

[eternal heath]

It's all ogre now

[dark token]

Dw sin buffs week 1

Or more likely outlaw nerfs then we #1

[eternal heath]

[glossy imp]

commit to the cause brothers, we'll get buffed

[limber lion]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/dfba2a695b8f240490ec6cd547861c7346e2ef7e

[glossy imp]

[slim hamlet]

Bugs on​ gameplay​ which​ is a loss which is shown in sims

Oh was answered

[pulsar apex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thorny pond]

It gains value with gear

[pulsar apex]

what happened to zacs WA

[thorny pond]

So Sophic still has edge early

[clever sapphire]

its in zacs channel

so in outlaw

[pulsar apex]

ty

[slim hamlet]

Zac is outlaw

Outlaw is zac

[scarlet aspen]

so the 2set buff will reset randomly... omg

[slim hamlet]

Not randomly i think but yes

Surely fixed in a week

Along with lethal dose fix

Trust

[flint tusk]

@slim hamlet so basically if Zac magically vanished one day outlaw would vanish also?

[outer cairn]

So stick with toxic patch

[flint tusk]

alright bet

[outer cairn]

ez

[slim hamlet]

I see what you are trying to do here

[flint tusk]

i'm doing nothing honest

[normal mist]

Oh my there's quite a read to be done with the 10.2 info, can't wait to get home

[slim hamlet]

Huh

Faq not out yet

Yell at whispyr

[normal mist]

Icyveins and wowhead were updated tho

[slim hamlet]

I see

[flint tusk]

but how can we

[normal mist]

But hard on the phone

[slim hamlet]

Can't read tho

So a problem there

[normal mist]

Wowhead lagging like crazy on my phone, miss clicked twice the damn DF trailer video that keeps appearing

[clever sapphire]

could be that all the guides are being updated rn, so its laggy

[flint tusk]

i think we've got data centres being hit currently as discord is constantly having issues also

[nocturne hawk]

Rog missing literacy talent

[elfin haven]

Been reading that m plus sin boss dmg is pretty low. Has that changed yet?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

Whispyr rn

[clever sapphire]

yes but no but yes, i never had issues cause i just blasted pug boss dmg also

but ye its better

jokes aside

[shut owl]

yeah its dead. we're actually healing the boss

[clever sapphire]

nono thats happening with the hero talents in 11.0

[elfin haven]

Looking to finally main sin first time since BFA.

[clever sapphire]

well assa is lookin good for new season, so not a bad choice

[shut owl]

unless you were trying to push 28's or some shit, sin was fine last season in M+, and looks fine this season

[elfin haven]

Most I did was 24s pugging my enhancement

[clever sapphire]

i accidentally did a 25 and beat a 3.2k rated shadow priest

i was happy with myself

[shut owl]

nice

[thorny pond]

How does one accidentally do a 25?

[shut owl]

my guild's local m+ sweat lord pulled me into a pug 26 HoI. was interesting. the auggie somehow died to fall damage and we missed timer cuz of their deaths XD

[quiet oar]

Getting in a group not knowing that the key is 25

[oak eagle]

????????????????????

how tf

[shut owl]

ikr?

[oak eagle]

does an evoker die to fall damage

thats like a dh dying to fall damage

[shut owl]

our tank also was not pleased to learn that we were running arcane/sin at first pull XD

[oak eagle]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i bet bosses got blasted

in about a minute

[clever sapphire]

so i wanted to do a 20 to get neltharus portal, and my druid tank friend told me they have a key and i can join to get portal. After the first pull i saw that its a 25

[shut owl]

not as much as you'd think, but our damage was fine. we both play BTM stuff really well XD

[clever sapphire]

my highest key done before that was a 21 untimed vortex xD

[clever sapphire]

arcane is blasting tho

and so is sin

so its a tank issue at that point

[shut owl]

not as hard as sub/fire typically

but thats also looking at a microscopic sample size

[clever sapphire]

do you mean their pp size or the amount of players at that key lvl

[quiet oar]

Yes

[lyric silo]

Is there any info around what to play at the start of 10.2 w/ old tier?

[shut owl]

more the key lvl. tank didn't whine about it, was just unpleasantly surprised and carried on

[dark token]

Outlaw

[dark token]

Outlaw

[clever sapphire]

assa

(someone say sub now)

[shut owl]

augvoker

[oak eagle]

sub

mage

fire

bear

holy

shadow

aug

[lyric silo]

I meant talent/rotation wise

[shut owl]

I don't think our talents change based on tier for sin

[clever sapphire]

ye i dont think either

[shut owl]

both tier sets are fairly passive

[clever sapphire]

thats some sub rogue thing

[shut owl]

well... not new 4p

but thats its own thing

[lyric silo]

Kk thank you!

[spice surge]

Tbf only the current 2p changes talents

[lyric silo]

Is it the same w/ outlaw im guessing besides the no cooldown?

[clever sapphire]

i wasnt sure about the reasoning behind it, i just knew that there is something going on with sub tierset and talents changing depending on what you are wearing

[spice surge]

And well, new tier set for sub is absolutely off the rails strong

For some reason

[clever sapphire]

that sounds good but also bad

cause that means when new season without tset hits, sub is gonna be down bad

[spice surge]

Last tier though so its alright

[quiet oar]

Im curious how fated will work

With 3 different tsets

Will the last tset remain or can you mix them

or use any tset

[nova flax]

Proooobably just keep the last one if i had to guess

[clever sapphire]

turn off tsets, a season without tsets

[nova flax]

Being able to choose which one you wanted would be pretty near tho ngl

[nova flax]

[spice surge]

Make em 6 slots so you can 2+2+2 or 4+2

[nova flax]

Make em 8 slots

Like vanilla

[quiet oar]

That would be nice

But rip boots

[nova flax]

In legion it was 6 but it was cloak i believe

[quiet oar]

Was it?

[spice surge]

Ye

[nova flax]

I think so

[clever sapphire]

feck embellishments, i take tset over it

[quiet oar]

Oh yeah

Rip Sarka cloak in fated

[normal mist]

I wonder which of the 3 tier sets will be best for fated in s4 (in case we can get fated S1 and S2 tiers)

[flint tusk]

bring back 8 slot tier

[nova flax]

That cloak is mid asf anyway

[flint tusk]

yeh being near sarka cloak actually sucks for assa as we don't have a bad stat

[strange python]

O_O

[dark token]

I just want fated grieftorch

And I think s3 sets are by far the strongest we had in a while

[clever sapphire]

gimme fated boon

[strange python]

i just had a mindspike. does this new toxic aoe thing works also in a way that u can have it on multiple targets ? and it stacks ? or is it 1 target limited

[clever sapphire]

lemme do big dmg whilst spinning

[strange python]

i dont remember the name

[dark token]

Toxic thorn?

Caustic spatter?

This one is limited to 1 target

[strange python]

caustic splatter

ah

it would be funny if u could infect it to multiple targets and so stack the dmg more haha

[hardy dagger]

Caustic doing dmg to caustic

[strange python]

imagine

[outer cairn]

so you cleave to a target with cleave that cleaves back to cleave

[strange python]

yes

kekw

[outer cairn]

almost like pressing just a button and doing your regular st rotation

[strange python]

o.o ?

[outer cairn]

nothing just poking at BF

[strange python]

wait ...

why do i always read wrong ._.

nvm

uh i know this is obvious. but what would be the best aoe opener burst for groups ? any guides yet ?

[clever sapphire]

whispyr did videos on aoe/st rota

i would just look at that

[strange python]

oki thanks

[kind forge]

wowhead guide is also live

[strange python]

WoW nice ^-^

thanks a lot !

[clever sapphire]

ai i couldnt check that yet, work has all gaming related stuff blocked and couldnt bother looking on phone

[strange python]

good luck and have fun! i wish u all good loot and good dps owo

[eternal heath]

I've got a lot of whispyr to watch today

[thorny pond]

friendly reminder to backup your interface and wtf folders

[clever sapphire]

never, i go down with my folders without a second thought

[atomic rune]

It makes patch day thrilling

[subtle kiln]

it’s NA beta test day

[young atlas]

Hey guys, im looking for any kind of pi sim sheet and have been told that there was one going around on rogue discord. anyone have it?

[subtle kiln]

no

[clever sapphire]

i sure havent seen one here

bloodmallet has it, but its probably not updated for 10.2 yet

[subtle kiln]

just the TCs talking internally.

[clever sapphire]

or 3

or whatever

oh wait i have seen one, but it was hella outdated

sub was still simming 290k

[subtle kiln]

any PI lists out there aren’t accurate

[static glacier]

I’m sure we’ll have a bug free apl and sim in time for the raid to give you for pi

[atomic rune]

Im pretty sure Assa chat is the wrong place to see about PI sims as well.

[quiet oar]

Wdym sim is pretty good Target

[clever sapphire]

assa is the new shit for PI

[atomic rune]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[clever sapphire]

im not shitting

we are like 3rd or 4th

so unless your dk or whatever was above us is blasting like crazy, you will take it

[clever sapphire]

it lines up perfectly every 2 mins also

[atomic rune]

us frfr

[candid goblet]

If you ain't first you are last

since every group has an Unholy

[snow shadow]

how far ahead is the dance build vs no dance?

[clever sapphire]

but unholy is fine with pi every 5 minutes or so

rogue can take it every 2

which is perfect lineup

[strange python]

i rather dance than using this stupid kyrian ability

[atomic rune]

Yeah I mean Im down its just funny they were like "Yeah were 4th best now"

[clever sapphire]

i forgor, but its in whispyrs video

he showed quite a big array of different builds

[clever sapphire]

4th best will result in a PI target if you are blastin

[atomic rune]

Im pretty sure its somewhere in here https://youtu.be/piJ2sq8yNBQ?t=1392

[snow shadow]

awesome, thanks guys

[clever sapphire]

cause warlock is shit now, dk-s suck, nobody plays evoker, i forgot the last one ahead of us if there is one

[blazing jewel]

Feel like the only way we get pi is if your raid is playing a shadow priest

So they can have a target for their 2 mins

[dark token]

Why

[clever sapphire]

nah, i will blackmail my priests into giving me PI

and i dont want a SP

he wants to PI on pull

i want it slightly delayed

[dark token]

Do you have 2 DPS dks

[blazing jewel]

Healer priest doesn’t care about pi timings so if uhdk cds don’t matter

[dark token]

I think most guilds have 2 healing priests

[onyx coyote]

is there a quite large dps difference between dance nad no dance builds?

[blazing jewel]

Or other specs that don’t perfectly sync 2 min cds

[clever sapphire]

ye, PI the dk on pull, after that switch to rogue

[onyx coyote]

worried about screwing up a 22 item opener

[atomic rune]

He says thats its like ~3% loss between doing Dance and Kyrian

[dark token]

I think our 6 mins execute PI is better than dk 6 mins

[clever sapphire]

we are better than those filthy dk players

so we dont need PI

[distant helm]

Does bm hunter beat us on pi?

[clever sapphire]

i will beat them without externals

[atomic rune]

WHOA be nice to DK's just because Unholy is crazy we need to stand by our Frost brotheren

[dark token]

U won't be saying that when frost is topping all season

[clever sapphire]

i have seen less frost than assa rogues

[atomic rune]

I just mean historical treatment by Blizz

We are pretty similiar

[clever sapphire]

i gueeeeeess im only gonna hate on uhdk

[snow shadow]

Looks like about 2% loss for no shadowdance, which isn't awful

[clever sapphire]

but nah uhdk is in a worse spot

i wont hate them either

they either get PI

or are bad

[atomic rune]

Yeah you will see Dance a lot because its essentially just skill expression at that point

[clever sapphire]

probably worth to just not play dance if you dont care about that 2%, or if you play with dance so bad that you would perform better with er

[slim pebble]

Are yall gonna run the hybrid m+ talents or the arterial shock one?

[atomic rune]

Yeah for the first month I will be just practicing Dance but if Im the reason were wiping ill just swap it to an easier build

Arterial for season start

[snow shadow]

Yeah, I'm an old rogue player coming back so I think the simplicity of acro and no dance will do me well

[clever sapphire]

dunno, didnt look much at builds. Gonna play what whispyr tells me is the most balanced m+ build

[atomic rune]

Whispyr talked about Ambush having weird interactions with Caustic and it being looked at i

did it ever get fixed

[clever sapphire]

ye

1 week ago

[atomic rune]

Tight

[clever sapphire]

ambush is now bugged with 2 set though

[atomic rune]

Good shit

Is it detrimental that I still need seperate keybinds or what

[clever sapphire]

we got some pugs, sporecloak nerfed, thats why assa dmg is so low compared to earlier sims

nah, not worth it

[atomic rune]

Oh thank god

[clever sapphire]

there will be like 3-4 times in a raid fight where you could cancelmacro it, and it would be like 400 dps gain to do it

[cunning basin]

Bruh they really fucking murdered sporecloak lmao

[clever sapphire]

so just

dont

[atomic rune]

Aiight that frees 2 buttons for me

so Im happy

[cunning basin]

Took it out back and everything

[atomic rune]

They were good buttons too

F key is back on the menu boys