assassination

[keen spruce]

[whole mason]

#tww-assassination message
according to this, it will be insane cancelaura in exec considering stacks and blindside proc?

[slate crown]

going on vacation and having your nose de-adjust to your smell

then coming home and like ueh

[runic hinge]

We’re back

[royal lantern]

we're SO back

[pure lark]

Assa back?

[keen spruce]

no we're just back in this channel

[royal lantern]

assa never left

[clever sapphire]

did you also watch flats reacting to overwatch?

[royal lantern]

[pure lark]

So hyped for tomorrow

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-eye-bleach-gif-11574607

[royal lantern]

who is flats

[clever sapphire]

cause that was 90% of his reaction to anything they said on blizzcon for overwatch xD

[flint tusk]

This place is nicer than i’m used to.

https://tenor.com/view/beans-gif-25637804

[royal lantern]

just wait until week1 and the dooming starts

[split roost]

Guess our "New execute" will be the New "does my group have to wait for my stealth" for our loved whispyr. 30 min Video inc

[flint tusk]

Oh i can’t wait

[split roost]

Oh sry for ping

[balmy condor]

I ain't making another video for restealths

if people think restealths giga matter they can suck my cum sock

[whole mason]

need description here!

[royal lantern]

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-gif-6192823600660695016

[balmy condor]

I need to clean my eyes after reading that suggestion

[whole mason]

so you're not denying it

[keen spruce]

we should just have a end of patch sabbath where all of the channels get read-only'd

until the servers come up tomorrow

[flint tusk]

Imagine your servers being down

[balmy condor]

no I'm heavily denying it that sounds dumb as fuck

[plucky canopy]

Yoo whispyr, did you already made a new sim with St emb after the cloak nerf and want to share it? 🙂

[balmy condor]

already closed the tab and not opening it again

it sucks

[flint tusk]

It’s the “and want to share it?” Bit

[balmy condor]

don't craft it

[whole mason]

So we just use the free ambush and let the stack drop?

[balmy condor]

yes

easily

not even close

[royal lantern]

boots+patch again

[whole mason]

but that could mean averagely low stack during our strong exec phase, no?
i mean maybe we selectively cancel some?

[balmy condor]

you're free to sim that yourself

I'm not going to waste my time simming stupid shit like that

[whole mason]

didn't ask you to...not there yet anyway

[plucky canopy]

Understandable no worries

[whole mason]

just some friendly discussion and get clear about what the siutation would be

[flint tusk]

#deleteembellishmentsthatprovidedamage.

[clever niche]

Ambush hits like a truck, feelycrafting says the damage lost from lower stacks will be made up for with extra energy and big ambush hits

[royal lantern]

• its free

free = good

[raven egret]

Freebush is goodbush

[royal lantern]

dont need more

[slate crown]

I mean that’s not the only probably with the 2pc, think it’s best to not play around it with cheeky macros until we get a sense of what’s going to be fixed about it. Many other effects in wow which reduce ability cost still act as if the resource is used, like free executes and tactician procs. I think this falls in the same category.

[balmy condor]

technically the sim already doesn't ambush during kingsbane

if you care for that 500 dps

looking at it it's actually more like 400

but ya know

huge

alert the media, there's a degenerate thing I can do for an extra 0.17% dps

[cunning basin]

Get the president on the line STAT

[raven egret]

A whole 400!? Damn 👀

[spiral pasture]

speaking of small increases. have you simmed races for 10.2?

[balmy condor]

yes plenty of times stop asking this 5x a day

[whole mason]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dvWSKUtv3DbHtZmb1jTTV
race thing

[spiral pasture]

i can never find the answer ty

[flint tusk]

400dps within a 600+k burst

[whole mason]

human top

[clever sapphire]

it just hit my small brain, do we have access to 3 different tsets in S4?

[plucky canopy]

What's looking best, as always

[balmy condor]

number up

[cunning basin]

^

[flint tusk]

Pog night night elf actually better!

[cunning basin]

600k < 600.4k

[flint tusk]

Finally get buffed at raid time

[balmy condor]

fuck actually playing any of the crazy shit the sim does

robot says it's 400 dps better

we ball

[cunning basin]

Robot tell me what to do

[keen spruce]

the answer is races don't matter for dps, just play dwarf to survive in throne of tides

or more specifically, they don't matter enough to spend any time worrying about

[plucky canopy]

Is it again a season where dwarves are huge with dispell in m+?

Or is it only tot

[keen spruce]

idk all of the spots it'll be good but i know there's bleeds in ToT

[flint tusk]

Blizzard plz make cloaks veil of midnight baseline.
It’ll be totally fine ☺️

[keen spruce]

i mean tbh, dwarf doesn't even matter until you're pushing super high. just play what looks pretty

whispyr played most of the tier as a vulpera cuz he liked the backflips

[plucky canopy]

Nah bleeds is something for my Aug to worry about, I want my dps

[balmy condor]

press deathmark if:

• you're not stealthed
• rupture is ticking
• envenom is up
• deathmark isn't up
• garrote is ticking
• the cooldown remaining on kingsbane is <=2 and you have envenom up

press shiv if:

• envenom is up
• shiv isn't on the target
• kingsbane is ticking and has <8 seconds remaining, or
• kingsbane is off cooldown
• kingsbane is already ticking
• deathmark is ticking
• garrote is ticking
• rupture is ticking
• you're not talented into CT, or
• you're in single target
• crimson tempest is ticking
• there's less than 8 * number of charges seconds left in the fight

the design is very human

[keen spruce]

thanks I hate it

[balmy condor]

I personally also go through 35 checklists of conditions that need to be met every time I want to press a button in the game

that's exactly how gaming works

[cunning basin]

It took me like 30 gcd's just to process that 🥹

[potent topaz]

Robot seems like a smart guy 😉

[balmy condor]

my favorite is the trinket sync lines that automatically pick which trinket to use with cds

[cunning basin]

But ahem yes I too go through my 35 step checklist, I definitely don't just press the button muscle memory tells me to

[balmy condor]

actions.cds+=/use_items,slots=trinket1,if=(variable.trinket_sync_slot=1&(debuff.deathmark.up|fight_remains<=20)|(variable.trinket_sync_slot=2&(!trinket.2.cooldown.ready|!debuff.deathmark.up&cooldown.deathmark.remains>20))|!variable.trinket_sync_slot)

[clever sapphire]

printing this out, checking each of the boxes manually before trying to press either of those 2 buttons

if i dont get a 100 log, robot is bad

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

and then you go "what's variable.trinket_sync_slot"

and it's actions.precombat+=/variable,name=trinket_sync_slot,value=1,if=trinket.1.has_stat.any_dps&(!trinket.2.has_stat.any_dps|trinket.1.cooldown.duration>=trinket.2.cooldown.duration)

[cunning basin]

[balmy condor]

or the fun one, trying to sync sepsis with deathmark

actions+=/variable,name=sepsis_sync_remains,op=setif,condition=cooldown.deathmark.remains>cooldown.sepsis.remains&cooldown.deathmark.remains<fight_remains,value=cooldown.deathmark.remains,value_else=cooldown.sepsis.remains

that's a fun one

[cunning basin]

There's more words in that string than I have IQ

[balmy condor]

the logic is fairly simple

but just reading it

is a fucking headache

[cunning basin]

True

[balmy condor]

that whole thing is just "is deathmark or sepsis the longer cooldown"

but like idk man

there's a reason you can't hit your simdps on a dummy

:P

you need to high roll your RNG really really hard to eek it out

even with good rng it's kinda brutal to try and beat your simdps

and that's the sims average

the average is better than your good rng

[midnight mist]

so sin oversim? ok thanks

[cunning basin]

I've done it before, my guild had us do 5 minute dummy tests vs our patchwerk sim with just what buffs we could give ourselves and like it's doable, with like 3 caveats lmao

[plucky canopy]

Just wait for the dreamsurge nature dmg Buff and go crazy, it is really easy

[cunning basin]

He's onto us

[balmy condor]

and we're still out here like "yeah but what if you cancelaura ambush 3 times in a fight"

as if it matters

[clever niche]

Used to be worse, wotlk and cata had vanish immuning mechanics as a thing. Meant you basically skipped a mechanic if it targeted just you

[cunning basin]

Look I've done some degenerate shit for 500 DPS but cancelaura macro for blindside? Nah. That's too far lmao

[flint tusk]

I honestly had zero issue with that. Was fairly easy to do in most cases.

[raven egret]

Sims are higher than irl? who would've thought!

[clever niche]

But we live in a simulation therefore I should do my simdps

[flint tusk]

Yeh we need more buffs

[balmy condor]

I race changed for 1% dps on sark, that's about the extent of my degen

[cunning basin]

I also race changed for 1% DPS lmao, but mine was on rashok

[balmy condor]

I was highly considering taking the 1% loss and just not playing sepsis cause I got upset with the timing bullshit

but then I played bone spike and got bored

so I didn't

[cunning basin]

Some of my team I think may have been playing without all their buttons

I did a lot of ungodly reforging in cata for very minimal dps

[flint tusk]

🦀 is gone 🦀

[cunning basin]

Sepsis was a cool thing but I don't want to play it lmao

It was like neat as a cov ability

[plucky canopy]

I highly liked its animation tbh

[clever sapphire]

i liked stepsis when it gave me a haste circle under my feet

[cunning basin]

Tbh all the cov ability animations are pretty dope

[plucky canopy]

ER is kinda Meh, but the rest yea

[cunning basin]

That's fair

[keen spruce]

ER has pretty cool sound design

[flint tusk]

Yeh it was an alright minigame. Only got to use itnproperly on echo of nelth but i can imagine the pain elsewhere

[plucky canopy]

At least compared to all our other animations

Only ss from sub is a good animation imo

[cunning basin]

Ashen Hallow or whatever for pally was probably my favorite

[keen spruce]

sepsis was better tho

rogue forever dicked on animations and sound design tho

[plucky canopy]

The rest is kinda lame/boring

[flint tusk]

But deathmark though

[plucky canopy]

True that

[whole mason]

why change race is degen?

[cunning basin]

Shadow strike is top fucking tier

[flint tusk]

Spending real money for a .x% dps increase

[cunning basin]

Because it's spending either money or a bunch of gold for like 1% or less theoretical dps

[plucky canopy]

But imagine sectec with good animation? Where u actually can see those shadows hit

[cunning basin]

I would kill for that

[keen spruce]

because it costs money for the gain equivalent of like 5 GCDs

[plucky canopy]

Or death mark with something happening on the enemy

[royal lantern]

that was the day you stopped beeing 200% based

only 189% based now

[plucky canopy]

Or shadow blades make you way more dark/violet

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

yeah sub has some cool ones

but like

[flint tusk]

I mean deathmark is a fine animation

[keen spruce]

okay i'm purple now

but have you ever just pressed thunder clap on a warrior

[whole mason]

Interesting

[keen spruce]

and gotten like half an erection

[cunning basin]

Bro

Warbreaker

[royal lantern]

tbf

its fury warrior rampage animation that ends in rupture

[cunning basin]

Warbreaker is a sick fucking animation

[flint tusk]

Yeh but we get a cool red line!

[keen spruce]

even if you leave out the crazy ass caster animations and just compare to melee

rogue has pretty downbad animations and sound overall

[plucky canopy]

We down bad

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

tbf, its a "down to earth" class overall

[cunning basin]

Some are good, I like how like gooey the bleeds all are tho lmao

It's kinda comical

[flint tusk]

We all forgetting poison bomb gonna be covering everyones screens 😂

[cunning basin]

Especially considering how brutal a lot of those attacks actually would be

[plucky canopy]

Not a good animation tho, just a big one 😂

[cunning basin]

It's a big ol goop puddle

[flint tusk]

Least we’ll be able to see it between all the flashy soup that is melee

[whole mason]

is pb covering mechanics aoe display?

[royal lantern]

eviscerating somebody 40x a fight like some shity butcher

[flint tusk]

Don’t matter what the animation is when you can’t even see where you are 😅

[plucky canopy]

Yea being a meele just disables a lot of visuals anyway

[cunning basin]

"this guy's been bleeding profusely for 6 minutes how much fucking blood does he have?!"

[keen spruce]

for me it's more sound design

[plucky canopy]

True

[keen spruce]

cuz yeah you're not gonna see shit standing in divine storm and 50000 spells flying over your shoulder

[earnest remnant]

my music is too loud for me to be able to hear them

[plucky canopy]

Based

[keen spruce]

I only play with music like half the time

[flint tusk]

Animations are cool. But i rarely look at then.

I’m just still glad the mop challengemode gear is triggered by mutilate 😎

[keen spruce]

and when I do it's just sea shanties or something

[earnest remnant]

i cant play video games without music

[keen spruce]

cuz it feels weird to stream without music

[cunning basin]

Driving storm, 10000 ghouls, a fucking Friday dragon flying past you every 10 seconds, the warrior screams every third global

Divine*

[plucky canopy]

Imagine having it

[earnest remnant]

i listen to music like 80% of my day

[cunning basin]

Rogue is one of 2 classes I have cm gear on xd

Neither have ever been my main till dragonflight

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt imagine playing wow without music

[cunning basin]

Literally only did it cuz it was easy lmao

[earnest remnant]

only game i ever played without music is CS:GO

[plucky canopy]

I just started end of legion, so I do not have that cool stuff:(

[clever sapphire]

during raidprog, when i get bored of listening to my mates wiping and crying on mechanics i turn the volume up so i cant even hear them

[keen spruce]

i get distracted by music

well i get distracted by everything

but everything includes music

[flint tusk]

https://youtu.be/jIMYDB7qlS4?si=kSO-3YAGK30ahrq3
😎

[cunning basin]

I can't listen to music because I find myself using sound cues a lot

[earnest remnant]

i do the same, but i have my RL and one of our healers that call stuff turned up so i can still hear those 2

[cunning basin]

Like I just don't pay attention to my screen lmao

[plucky canopy]

Oh my god I want that so bad

Down bad now

[keen spruce]

I play almost exclusively off of sound cues

[earnest remnant]

when i raid i need to use push 2 talk cuz i keep forgetting they can hear me if i start singing along

[cunning basin]

GM asked me how I see timers on my UI and I'm like "uhhhhh... Timers?"

[clever sapphire]

luckily i only need to hear my raidlead, and unless i know its a mechanic heavy fight where i have to listen to everything he says, im having him on a volume where i hear if he says my name, but thats about it

[keen spruce]

and just look at floor mechanics and frontals with my remaining 2 brain cells dedicated to paying attention

[earnest remnant]

i used to play wow without sounds turned on

[cunning basin]

Once I get into the groove of the spec I'm playing I basically just play off muscle memory and sound cues

[clever sapphire]

only timer i see is the kill timer so i can explain my shitty dmg

[plucky canopy]

I turned off my sounds after I got enough of those bad sounds of rouge

[bronze pike]

Tyrant mods locking ptr channel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1166809459901878363.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[keen spruce]

I made sure to put all of the important stuff at the end before they got locked dw

[cunning basin]

My UI may look like shit but I outperform 95% of my team so 😎

[bronze pike]

Ya I saw

Bis whispegg

[cunning basin]

People talking about UI's is like sensitivity in fps to me. Just use what feels good for you

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean there are some objective best practices in both

but at the end of the day the best ui is the one that works for you

[cunning basin]

Yeah there's like fundamental stuff like you wanna ideally see x thing and x other thing but like

At the end of the day if it works then no need to change it. Now if you're suckin it up and your UI is shit.. then maybe reconsider xd

me just oonga boonga melee

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170206350425473044/giphy.gif?ex=65583297&is=6545bd97&hm=6410f0fa6620cc27fc722cfdb070e10dcc4131f27848e8ee6edaea166fce7b75&

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1170814135160803338/giphy-1.gif?ex=655a68a2&is=6547f3a2&hm=31757e1658b52cfec4a55a873b363b0148ada952aac3f35c6e1cf5b0d9e4b8fa&

[keen spruce]

oh does anyone know how next week works with keys? i've heard some mixed answers

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

[keen spruce]

there's just no m+ right?

[balmy condor]

next week is season 2

[keen spruce]

next week

[balmy condor]

as in like

when servers go live

[cunning basin]

Yeah still season 2 till the whatever day

[bronze pike]

Tomorrow I do two 20s

[balmy condor]

this reset that's upcoming with the launch of 10.2

[keen spruce]

ye

[bronze pike]

so not gonna have fun

[cunning basin]

Make sure you do your 31 key so you can get a 20 for season 3

[balmy condor]

keys go down 11 levels going into season 3, so yeah, doing a 31 this week will get you a 20 on the 14th

[bronze pike]

Lowkey tired of tanking for goobers

[keen spruce]

okay so it won't degrade an additional key level

[bronze pike]

So gonna havoc it up

[balmy condor]

rerolling healer

[keen spruce]

through week 1

[cunning basin]

31s are basically free if you don't think about it

[keen spruce]

that was my next question

[bronze pike]

That’s what the paladin main is for

Pulling a arty and go heals cause people dumb

[keen spruce]

like I did a 28 this week, so I get a 17 on the 14th. not 28 this week, 17 next week that can't use, then 16 on the 14th

correct?

[balmy condor]

wait

I updated the wrong guide

[keen spruce]

[flint tusk]

Whispyr…

[cunning basin]

If you did a 28 this week, you get a 28 when servers go up later, then if you do another 28 you get a 17 next week

[balmy condor]

I updated the draft guide I submitted for the gear page for 10.2, not the guide page for 10.2

[cunning basin]

FUCKKKKK

[wispy leaf]

*timed 31,If it's not in time you'll get a 19

[flint tusk]

Pay attention man!

No memes until lunch now

[cunning basin]

Well obviously it's timed, I mean what do we look like, key depleters?

[balmy condor]

well timing a +31 is implied obviously otherwise shitter noob

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-to-work-gif-1126008344771276194

[cunning basin]

[keen spruce]

okay maybe i was being unclear by saying "next week".

when the servers come up in a few hours. will i have a 28, a 17, or no key in my vault

[cunning basin]

28

If you timed a 28

This week

[keen spruce]

and I can still run that 28 on S2 dungeons for no score

[balmy condor]

when the servers come up it will be like any other previous week during 10.1

[keen spruce]

or score but no title

okay

[balmy condor]

nothing vault/key/raid related changes with the release of the patch

[cunning basin]

I'm p sure you can still get score and title

Afaik

[keen spruce]

title locked at 10pm ish

[cunning basin]

Ah

[keen spruce]

okay so when servers come up it's S2 business as usual

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning basin]

Well the real title is the friends we made along the way

Or whatever

[balmy condor]

and then the next reset after the servers come up is season 3

[keen spruce]

and whatever key i do that week is what determines my key with the -11 on the 14th

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning basin]

Yessir

[keen spruce]

okay based

that's what we were hoping

so we could testing out the changes in an m+ setting

[cunning basin]

Dawn of the infinites till my eyes bleed is gonna be my favorite part of this season

[keen spruce]

before the season starts

[raven egret]

I wonder how keys will go with Sin with the rework. Kinda looking forward to it (not looking forward to chain pulls not allowing restealths but eh)

[cunning basin]

Who needs restealths

[flint tusk]

scrubs

[keen spruce]

restealths don't matter

[cunning basin]

Stealth is a crutch

Or whatever Gandhi said

P sure I read that in a history book

[keen spruce]

i think gandhi said "The next person that says 'restealth' is going to be thrown in the ocean"

i could be paraphrasing though

[cunning basin]

[empty hinge]

Shmeeps where do I get a duck like yours

[raven egret]

What a wise man, I should learn from this

[keen spruce]

I stole it from a korean vtuber

or japanese i can't remember

[empty hinge]

Oh okay

[keen spruce]

i'll need to rebrand when I become a famous streamer

make a new duck

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage this one right here.

Gg goodbye Shmeeps

[cunning basin]

I have my own icon I just never fuckin use it lmao

[keen spruce]

i thought the duck lore was common knowledge

[soft shale]

only 1 of my emotes is from another thing

[soft shale]

the other's are my face or my rip cat

[keen spruce]

I never marketed my pfp duck as original content

[cunning basin]

Holy shit I actually still have the picture

[keen spruce]

I said i was A duck

not <-- that duck

[flint tusk]

1/10 defense

Shmeep suffered a critical hit.

[cunning basin]

There we go.

Haven't used this pfp in a fuckin century

[flint tusk]

did Shmeep crap on your pfp's face?

[cunning basin]

No it's the bone under the skin

My friend drew it for me in high school

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/unlucky-gif-7775657

[cunning basin]

LMAO rip

[flint tusk]

my brain just went

HEADSHOT

[balmy condor]

okay

sporecloak obliterated

[keen spruce]

okay there

OC duck

[royal lantern]

i love it

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-no-father-elf-will-farrell-gif-14042015

[royal lantern]

cus not even 24h ago i crafted one

[clever sapphire]

looks like a small chicken

[royal lantern]

[flint tusk]

ANIMATE IT NOW!

[keen spruce]

you overestimate my abilities

[flint tusk]

https://www.fiverr.com/

go

[keen spruce]

i like the shuba duck

[flint tusk]

find a $3 editor

[keen spruce]

if i change the color of the shuba duck hat

is that fair use

what was that

i saw somethin right as i tabbed back in

[flint tusk]

i wanted it to embed but it didn't

[keen spruce]

hmm

very suspicious

[flint tusk]

was OTK extraemily nearly dying to a level 2 boar in teldrassil

[keen spruce]

those boars are spooky

[flint tusk]

constantly spam clicking the boar while facing the other way

[modest karma]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I think kingsbane is pretty high up there

either that or deathmark

[flint tusk]

LUL

[clever sapphire]

[flint tusk]

wait why not nightstalker?

[balmy condor]

not a global

[flint tusk]

ahh but it's global to the rogue class

[clever sapphire]

i just read best talent, my brain skipped the global part

whoops

[balmy condor]

I mean still works

sbs is a global

and technically it's the highest damaging single global in the game depending on how much time you have

[flint tusk]

be interesting how that would work on some of the small islands out at sea if it was country locked xD

SBS snapshot or riot

REALZ!!!!!!

xD

that would be so busted

[keen spruce]

why snap shot when we could just make it interact with sudden demise

[flint tusk]

oh bro

[keen spruce]

and instantly kill anything at 30%

[flint tusk]

instagibing people

[clever sapphire]

bonespike sniping would be back

[flint tusk]

damn devs creating and ruining our fun all at the same time

[balmy condor]

it does interact with sudden demise

a whole 30 seconds worth of it

[flint tusk]

scammed interaction

[balmy condor]

30 seconds is pretty generous tbh

[flint tusk]

SCAMMED!

infinite or nothing

but for real. it's pretty cool it's assumed at 30sec

given it's recharge is that

[balmy condor]

30 seconds on sudden demise would mean at the earliest it could proc, the mob would be alive for 1:30

if your sudden demise one shots from 5%, which is fairly reasonable, it would be the equivalent of assuming sbs was on the target for 10 minutes

[flint tusk]

oof

[balmy condor]

obviously like blah blah "but burst on pull" and all that shit

I'm generalizing that the mob health gets reduced steadily

[flint tusk]

i will say i was just messing about on PTR last night doing some random world stuff and SuD is really weird to use. i'm so used to mobs slowly bleeding out of the bleeds running out and they just go

pop

[balmy condor]

its very dank

[flint tusk]

it's pretty good with carnage into groups of mobs and them all just instantly vanishing.
It's nice to use and not in anyway annoying to make trigger

[balmy condor]

that "but" threw me for a loop

it's good
BUT
it's nice

thought my brain was finally giving out and I could be happy

but I realized it's just like that

[flint tusk]

could be pretty good and awful to use.

better? ;p

[balmy condor]

perfect

I enjoyed the free lobotomy though

[flint tusk]

no problem

[sharp viper]

@keen spruce we need the Full Metal Whispyr gif in this channel

[flint tusk]

getting you nice and prepped

[keen spruce]

why

you mean like

the whole game

[flint tusk]

audio and everything

[keen spruce]

bruh i'm unemployed i'm not THAT unemployed

[sharp viper]

#tww-assassination message

[flint tusk]

but you're on here all day

[keen spruce]

wait no i read that as metal gear solid

[sharp viper]

This one

[keen spruce]

yeah the one i already made nvm

brain no work

it late

[sharp viper]

Read hard

Letters evil

Word bad

[flint tusk]

but it's 9:39 just stop using the wrong time

[keen spruce]

I think ptr was a nice send off to the whispyr gifs

I have some ideas for zac ones though

or maybe i just find a job and a girlfriend

[sharp viper]

The FMJ but with text like sim yourself

Or it's better because it is

And a hiya

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[balmy condor]

@keen spruce we need you to remake the entirety of Full Metal Alchemist with whispyr gifs

thanks

shouldn't be hard right

[keen spruce]

yes chef

[flint tusk]

sounds like a comission request to me

[keen spruce]

[sharp viper]

FMA Whispyrhood

[flint tusk]

pay up Whispyr with that sweet streamer money

[keen spruce]

ig i could just sticker his emotes on every character for an episode

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds like not a lot of work

go ahead and do that

[keen spruce]

well considering i make all of the gifs frame by frame because i have no idea what i'm doing

it would take a while

but surely there's a better way

[clever sapphire]

you could develop an AI that detects the faces of all the characters in fma, then replaces their faces with whispyrs

should take like 10 minutes

[keen spruce]

"you could develop an AI"

yeah i'll get right on that

[glacial crypt]

Let's animate 2gether

[quiet oar]

Can you also edit my sylvanas body pillow to be a whispyr body pillow @keen spruce?

[keen spruce]

absolutely not

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

that's some serial killer shit

[sharp viper]

You can purchase your whispyr body pillow in his store, shmeeps isn't gonna copyright infringe

[balmy condor]

okay well, one episode of FMA is around 20 minutes, each second is 24 frames so around 28,800 frames, we'll say it's a bit longer than 20 minutes and round up to 30k frames, if there's an average of 2 characters on the screen on any given frame that's 60k emotes you'd need to place

seems reasonable to me idk

make an afternoon out of it

[keen spruce]

you have not seen the inefficiency of my workflow

[steel ridge]

who is gonna do the degenerate rep grind?

[quiet oar]

I mean who knows?

[keen spruce]

you didn't even get the eggspyr reference because it took me so long to make and post it

[glacial crypt]

💀💀

[sharp viper]

Please post

[clever sapphire]

not me, im gonna speedrun the story and than go study assa in dungeons

[keen spruce]

the joke had already left everyone's memory kek

they're all in ptr-assas

@sharp viper

[blazing jewel]

Shmeeps what is this pic

It’s not right

[keen spruce]

it's copywrite free

[sharp viper]

Oh I forgot

[keen spruce]

cev told oxi was using bootleg pfps

i gotta get the feds off my tail

[blazing jewel]

[sharp viper]

Yeah I can confirm that I have no clue

[next vapor]

[balmy condor]

I'll give you a full 15 seconds to place an emote. At 60k emotes that would be 900k seconds, 15k minutes, 250 hours. If you work a regular 8 hour a day, 5 day a week job that would be 40 hours a week, so 6 weeks would get you to 240 hours. Just gotta toss in a bit of overtime and you'll have it done by end of year and you'll even get to take christmas off

[final star]

@blazing jewel

[next vapor]

the most useful of all knowledge

[keen spruce]

hmm i'll have it done before CE

[balmy condor]

I said end of year not end of decade

[keen spruce]

okay hurtful

accurate but hurtful

[next vapor]

ok counterpoint

do the same but onepiece

[quiet oar]

I wanted to make a similar joke, but thought shmeeps doesnt deserves that

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[quiet oar]

But now you convince me He did

[final star]

I did a lil high rolling on experiments last night

[balmy condor]

okay well I did the math for 1 episode so the math would be the same for 1 episode of one piece, but I assume you meant the entirety of one piece, which would just mean we multiply the number by 1081, so it would take shmeeps 6756 work weeks, 52 weeks a year puts him at just shy of 130 years

[final star]

isn't one piece streaming on youtube rn b2b2b2b until the end of the year

[next vapor]

still before CE then

[flint tusk]

just code AI to do it

simple

[balmy condor]

there exists an amount of episodes shmeeps would have to fully emote-over

where the time it takes to do it manually

would be less than the time it takes for him to learn how to make an AI

and then have the AI do it

the shmeeps-AI coefficient if you may

very famous breakpoint in human efficiency

[keen spruce]

surely this AI already exists

[flint tusk]

He will fall behind 150 or so episodes while learning but by 300 he'd have broken even then the remainder is all profit

[flint tusk]

we covered this stop stealing other people stuff!

[royal lantern]

imagine wasting so much time of your life for a shity Cartoon that will end with "the real treasure are the friends we made"

[final star]

oda already said the one piece is a tangible thing and not some morality friend bs lmao

next

🙂

[lethal yoke]

Does anyone know if we can still shadowflame upgrade crafted gear when the patch drops?

[keen spruce]

anyone got a copy of after effects

that i can borrow

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

I think it deletes them

[keen spruce]

I found a scuffed tutorial

[quiet oar]

Idk the S1 sparks still exist

[lethal yoke]

Noooooo! i have 447 crafted my toxic boots but the toxic patch will be stuck at 424

[keen spruce]

there's still s1 sparks

[balmy condor]

is it the crests then

something gets converted to gold right

[quiet oar]

Oh He meant the crests

[keen spruce]

uhh yeah maybe

[lethal yoke]

last patch they did the same where there was a week of not having the new shadowflame but dropped the upgrade path

[earnest remnant]

pi abuser

[final star]

stay mad

[quiet oar]

There was an Option to Transfer the Upgrades to rep in s1

[lethal yoke]

so the sparks could craft at 397 or something but couldnt be upgraded

[clever sapphire]

whaaat, so you wanna tell me that people get payed for having done m+?

[quiet oar]

And you already can sell the crests for 5 gold

[final star]

PI makes up for the 20s faster u kill it smile

[earnest remnant]

the fuck you mean

[balmy condor]

exactly

[earnest remnant]

boss dies just as my sepsis comes back

[keen spruce]

how much do i care about this meme

[final star]

[balmy condor]

59.99 for 130 years would 93,584 dollars

[keen spruce]

well

i'd imagine it won't take 130 years

if i can use the face tracking

[flint tusk]

but then you have to decide what emote to use

[keen spruce]

but i'd need to do it scene by scene

[flint tusk]

based on the current facial expression

[keen spruce]

or shot by shot more accurately

[balmy condor]

aight

well how many shots does an episode have

[keen spruce]

how many cuts are there in an average episode

[balmy condor]

if each cut is 12 seconds on average that would be like 100 cuts

[gritty anchor]

hello, is this the place to be for questions about macros?

i am trying to make a clean mouseover kick(and cheap shot / kidney shot) macros, but it seems my macro only shadowsteps, unless i am in melee range

[keen spruce]

we will trade the answers to macro questions for a copy of adobe after effects

[balmy condor]

so running back this math that would be like 200 emote placements. If you can place one emote in under an hour 15 min you'd be faster than you would be by hand

[smoky horizon]

We talking the one from 2001 or the new one. The first is kinda short and would cut it down to 65 years or so

[balmy condor]

that seems reasonable

[keen spruce]

can you share the macro you're currently workin with?

[balmy condor]

if you're not in melee range you can't cast any of the other stuff

[final star]

If I also killed it at 03:04

[balmy condor]

so yeah

would shadowstep

seems good to me

[gritty anchor]

well this is my simple macro for testing:

#showtooltip kick
/cast [target=mouseover] shadowstep;
/cast [target=mouseover] kick;

[balmy condor]

oh well yeah you can't do that

[final star]

it will always shadowstep

[earnest remnant]

nope, you got pi, dsq sorry

[balmy condor]

that's two different ability casts on the same conditional

you'd never get to kick

[final star]

-6k is still 167k

[earnest remnant]

pi is over 8k for me

[final star]

165k

[gritty anchor]

so is there just no way to mouseover shadowstep kick then?

[balmy condor]

not in one button press like that no

[final star]

with modifiers only

[balmy condor]

you could cast sequence shadowstep -> kick

and then spam the key I guess

this seems incredibly niche though

[keen spruce]

sounds pvp

[clever sapphire]

for shadowstep kick you could ask in pvp channel, i think thats something you would want in pvp

[flint tusk]

it is

[balmy condor]

I mean even in pvp

you're telling me you can't just mouseover shadowstep

[gritty anchor]

i just want it as an emergency interupt if i am out of range in pve

[balmy condor]

and then use your kick button?

[gritty anchor]

the thing is that i want to do it instantly, and if i mouseover shadowstep my camera changes and i can not mouseover kick

[flint tusk]

a better way as you always know who you're shadowstepping and kicking put them as a focus

[balmy condor]

[gritty anchor]

but i will fix it differently, thanks for all the help ❤️

[flint tusk]

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Kick
then press this twice

[clever sapphire]

this isnt a cast order, wont this just shadowstep twice?

[final star]

just press step bind and press kick bind

[flint tusk]

you COULD make some weird cleartarget /nearestenemy targeting between the step and the kick

but that's clunky af

[balmy condor]

sometimes I see people making crazy ass macros like this and it makes me wonder if I'm just playing the game wrong

cause I've never had these thoughts

in my life

[cunning basin]

I feel that so hard

[clever sapphire]

i remember there being a macro you could make for pvp, that you could spam to kick an enemy, and there were conditionals in there so you couldnt miss the kick. Meaning you had a 100% kick rate, just macro it into all of your buttons and you will never miss a kick

was hotfixed sometime this season im sure, cause that was broken

[flint tusk]

but for real i just have modifer for focus on step and kick

[gritty anchor]

is a mouseover shadowstep kick really that crazy?

[flint tusk]

the whole combining/stacking abilities in a macro is just weird to me

[clever niche]

I have a macro for shadowstep with an alt key modfier will do it on my mouse over target instead of my target

[balmy condor]

I have a keybind to set a target as a focus and I use it so infrequently I forget I have it bound

[gritty anchor]

oh you meant that

[balmy condor]

I mean your thing is crazy too

[clever sapphire]

combining it into one button is what makes it stand out. Usually people just use different keybinds or with modifiers

[balmy condor]

focus targets are less crazy

needing to step and kick on the same button instantly

sounds really unnecessary

just step, and kick

[clever niche]

In fact, most of my keys have the alt mouseover thing on now, makes multidotting a dream

[cunning basin]

I have bomb dispenser macro'd into like 15 abilities across 5 specs

That's about it

[flint tusk]

step into kick in the same button press is basically a script at that point

[grand trail]

still waiting for whispyr video of what to do on day one

[flint tusk]

we'll be waiting a while

he keeps changing the wrong guides

[clever niche]

Play the game + HIYA

You're welcome

[balmy condor]

it's a week away you'll live

[grand trail]

i feel like lost withnout video telling what to do

[flint tusk]

TLDR this week is pointless best gear is 437 i believe

[balmy condor]

is it that high

jeez

[flint tusk]

farm the fuck out of rep for "free" rune

[flint tusk]

only the weekly

[cunning basin]

This week is continue leveling my wrath rogue for cata classic week

[clever niche]

Use the week to settle your binds, try things out and have a bit of fun/practice

[balmy condor]

idk bout you guys

for me it's UI week

[flint tusk]

yeh this week will be to find all the new bugs that moving the build from PTR to live has blessed us with

like stealth breaking when someone buffs

[royal lantern]

the only macro i really use is....mousover shadowstep and bomb dispenser on mutilate/envenom lmao

[flint tusk]

or poisons dropping every zone in

[clever sapphire]

i barely touched ptr, so for me its learning assa in keys/ST to prep for next season

[cunning basin]

Ive changed my UI twice in 13 years and both times it took me a week of sheer terror to get used to

[honest verge]

@balmy condor I have a question, I was watching the YouTube video of single target, is it not used for sepsis or serrated spine? I understand that the assets are dance of shadows, bane of kings and our usual CDs

[royal lantern]

i will be annoying about things in your wa pack not working, allready prepare mentally for that

[flint tusk]

yeh my poisons reminder thing is already partially broken xD

not even considered my combat info panel yet

[grand trail]

my ptr ui already on live

[flint tusk]

you assume they are the same LUL

sweet summer child

[clever niche]

Might find a new WA setup, I like devlins but may switch up to afenars

[flint tusk]

they SHOULD be. but crazy stuff breaks for zero reason

[honest verge]

ok thanks

[flint tusk]

yeh i've been using Luxtho's one as it was alright and he does one for every class.

[midnight mist]

how bad is afenar for sin

its terrible for outlaw

[clever sapphire]

awh my gawd, you dont have shroud skilled. How do i make the casters prepull now, cause they are too close and start casting too early

[grand trail]

my outlaw ui is from guy who hate outlaw so not very decent 😄

[balmy condor]

it tracks some stuff that doesn't need tracking but aside from that there's nothing inherently bad about it

[midnight mist]

well thats at least one good thing about it i guess

[keen spruce]

taking shoud off my bars saved us so many early pulls this tier

[balmy condor]

like who gives a fuck about alacrity stacks

[keen spruce]

actually the biggest bait of all time

[balmy condor]

but if you just delete the nonsense

it's fine

[midnight mist]

ye

if you want to play afenar for outlaw

you have to fully rework it

actually terrible

[balmy condor]

nice

[final star]

It's missing a lot

[grand trail]

i like the way only one trb buff matter for outlaw 😄

thats cool

[balmy condor]

my wa is an edit of afenar, and it's basically just replacing the gar/rup auras with snapshot tracking auras, adding caustic spatter, and deleting alacrity/blindside tracking

and the rest just works

[midnight mist]

blindside tracking 😢

[final star]

I like seeing blindside tracking even in 10.2

[balmy condor]

yeh no point in tracking it anymore lmao

[grand trail]

me tooo

[midnight mist]

kinda the same for outlaw

[final star]

because it helps me know when I can press some more buttons

[grand trail]

i wanna see how im unlucky

[final star]

whilst pooling

because it's free

[midnight mist]

there is a very very small niche of tracking audacity

but its mostly useless

[balmy condor]

that doesn't influence the pooling logic

[midnight mist]

ye you build to max anyway right

so that shouldnt ever matter

[balmy condor]

you don't pool on generates, exactly

you pool on finishers

[midnight mist]

I watched the video

[balmy condor]

zac is a professional assassination player

ong

[midnight mist]

yep yep

ready to blast

[final star]

I did not watch the video :3

[midnight mist]

wtf !

[flint tusk]

he's just a PI fiend and couldn't stay away

[final star]

I don't think i'll be playing assa early prog

😄

[grand trail]

assa not that good withnout gear

[limber lion]

Pussy

[limber lion]

???????

[grand trail]

sim lowest with s2 gear for me

[low quartz]

How does the new rotation feel in M+ - didnt get much of a chance to play PTR

[balmy condor]

ah sap

[limber lion]

Another cooked take by Sappucino

Damn

[balmy condor]

always with the head empty

never change good sir

[flint tusk]

Comparing sims against different specs

[grand trail]

whats wrong with it?

[flint tusk]

L

[royal lantern]

hes a good lad man

[elder torrent]

I replaced Improved Poisons with Twist the knife and it sims for 700 damage more but I don't know if that ends up hurting me later in ST

[grand trail]

i just run sims with s2 gear to see whats good at start

[flint tusk]

[elder torrent]

I have pretty bad Ptr gear tho

[final star]

very useful info

should probably run sims with middling hc gear

or 370 base gear

[grand trail]

i sim as i get gear

[final star]

with some tier mixed in

[grand trail]

what im suppose to do

[limber lion]

Sounds sus, but trust the sims.

[elder torrent]

See I'm just not sure If its just my Stats rn suck ass so

[limber lion]

We did get a few new implicits

Maybe Twist the Knife is pogchamp :O

New bis talent

[grand trail]

ttk is kinda cool for gameplay

[elder torrent]

I've been trying to keep up with New Assassination stuff But I just started playing assassination like 2 months ago during my Mythic nelth prog

[limber lion]

But yeah, don't worry. Just sim your gear and stuff first and talents later, then sims gear/emchants again

[elder torrent]

So really akward time lolol

Its like wow new spec to learn

bam changed

[limber lion]

Honestly with Sang being bis, maybe TTK is good because it allows for more pooling before having to slam 4p Envenoms

[elder torrent]

See the thing was Doing 4 Cp

[limber lion]

TTK directly increases Sang value because of 4p

[elder torrent]

I felt like I barely had time to get a Rupture off

before envenom dropped

[keen spruce]

ttk playable what a time to be alive

[limber lion]

Yeh

[elder torrent]

I don't know much I'm just a newb lolol

[grand trail]

last time i check ttk was 1% behind poison

but gameplay is smoother

[elder torrent]

It does Make Kingsbane do slightly less total damage but everything else was a bit more

[flint tusk]

i mean it shouldn't

[elder torrent]

Tbf Right now I'm struggling to learn the rotation while also having to deal with orbs floating at me lol

but these are sims anyways

[balmy condor]

probably just a bad gear thing

[flint tusk]

kingsbane caps out with DTB

[balmy condor]

cause you definitely don't need ttk

envenom uptime on these sims are 95% without ttk

seems like a giga worthless node

[grand trail]

thats more that i would guees

[flint tusk]

it'll be more a QoL talent than a raw damage one

[grand trail]

you get lot more pooling at dummy

[flint tusk]

mainly for people who sturggle

[elder torrent]

as I said probably bad gear but early game it simed better Shrug*

[clever niche]

Got a link 😆

[elder torrent]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[clever niche]

Very based, much thanks

[elder torrent]

np I didn't know they had one either lolol

till they chucked it at me

[limber lion]

@balmy condor dropping AP for TTk is 1.8% for my sim

[balmy condor]

that's gotta be wrong

you don't even have new 4pc

[limber lion]

I mean not my gear

But next tier sims

Some scuffed profile from Kieron

[elder torrent]

[balmy condor]

you're telling me bad gear

takes a -2.3% talent swap

to +1.8%?

that's a 4% swing

[flint tusk]

But where is acro

[spice surge]

If I had two guess its probably branch that makes ap better

Not sure why ttk would be better without branch though

[steel ridge]

maybe without TTK you miss tierset hits

depending on haste levels, who knows

[royal lantern]

dont take it guys

[flint tusk]

but acro bro.
we can't function without acro

[subtle kiln]

master

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-fish-hooks-does-this-look-dangerous-gif-7888883

[oblique wasp]

Brothers, weapon enchant is the sophic devotion or haste devotion please?

[elder torrent]

I seen people going waft

[tacit oar]

can they still balance to the point that the rotation or talent choice is changing on patch day or raid day ?

[royal lantern]

its a sim question

different for some people

[steel ridge]

does wafting proc smoother, like higher ppm lower value? or is it the same shitty high roller like sophic?

[balmy condor]

we found the issue with the sim above btw it was giga bait

ignore all that ttk shit

[balmy condor]

can you link your sim to me

that one I haven't seen

dm is fine

[subtle kiln]

[elder torrent]

ahhh I closed everything

But its just cause bad gear anyways

[balmy condor]

maybe idk

what ilvl are you

[elder torrent]

460

[balmy condor]

with the new 4 piece?

or the old

[elder torrent]

I grabbed the ones from org like a day ago

or 2? something like that

[oblique wasp]

Alright, I was wondering if this is sim case or if there is such a big difference between the two to just go raw on one

[spice surge]

Same rppm

[balmy condor]

idk, I scaled the character down to 440

and it's barely equal

[elder torrent]

to be fair my current stats are abyssmal

I don't remember them off the top of my head

pretty low haste and the rest are near equal

[balmy condor]

shouldn't swing it that hard

but idk I guess maybe

[elder torrent]

I don't know much anyways still too new to know anything

[final star]

are you also making sure to use the custom apl@elder torrent

[balmy condor]

do not

no custom APL required

[final star]

has it been updated to latest on mimiron

[balmy condor]

that's the dumb shit that made your sim stupid

cause you had an APL in there from like september

[final star]

I had an apl from the pins in ptr-assassination

[balmy condor]

I've seen swiss cheese with more holes

[balmy condor]

and yes, koji pushed profiles earlier today

[final star]

the one the ceverion ran himself I'm pretty sure was not the apl I used

[balmy condor]

I deleted the custom apl entirely and it was like 15k higher than your sim

and everything was as normal

[final star]

This was my sim

active 2 was ttk

so expected results

[balmy condor]

perfect then

no issues

[keen spruce]

are we going back in the blender

[final star]

the problem I now have is that the sim dropped by 7k overnight

[balmy condor]

yep

[final star]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/dfba2a695b8f240490ec6cd547861c7346e2ef7e

[balmy condor]

that makes sense

[final star]

Assumedly cos of this

[balmy condor]

correct

[final star]

bug fix soon hopefully

[elder torrent]

this is all too big brain for me Quite yet I just wanted to know if it was good or not lolol

But I'll take that as a no xd

[balmy condor]

ttk not good unless you're stupidly undergeared, and then it might be marginally better, dropping arterial is never good

now time for me to go to bed don't break sims pls

[elder torrent]

but heres my next question if its hard to deal with the Branch while learning rotation or maybe it doesn't drop how bad is Ashes

[balmy condor]

considerably worse

you're better off playing branch badly

[elder torrent]

what would be the next in line ?

[balmy condor]

nothing

you play branch

[elder torrent]

Cause I honesty press DM and forget about the Branch

like its in my macro

[balmy condor]

then you gotta learn to not forget branch

[final star]

you can mcro it to KB instead

[balmy condor]

do not do that

[flint tusk]

So with branch.
what is the variation between just picking all orbs up as soon as they drop vs picking 2 orbs then waiting 7 seconds for the third?

[elder torrent]

I remember I forgot to Grab this WA I found earlier too

[final star]

it takes ~3s to get orbs naturally and full buff lasts to KB

[balmy condor]

3

fkin cat

[elder torrent]

https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

I found this wa the other day

might help

[balmy condor]

like 2.5%

[elder torrent]

I kinda forgot about it

[flint tusk]

oh that's not that bad really. if you need to quickly pick them all up

[balmy condor]

2.5% of your overall dps?

[elder torrent]

I was practicing on 10.1.7 for awhile since 10.2 was down and I didn't transfer all my Wa's and stuff

[balmy condor]

that's pretty fucking bad

[flint tusk]

better than missing the third orb

[balmy condor]

I mean

just don't miss the third orb

the trinket isn't that hard

[elder torrent]

how good are we in Mythic + ?

[balmy condor]

it's a bit weird

but like

it isn't some impossible feat

[elder torrent]

Its only a bit hard right now since I'm still adjusting to learn the rotation lol

don't have that many hours into it

but yeah how good are we in mythic + like #1 Very needed #2 Somewhat needed #3 eh #4 useless

I'm sure Outlaw rogues are still probably better for Mythic + ?

[clever niche]

Not gonna be a must pick for god comps, but we have good cleave and priority dmg along with burst every minute so we are in a good position

[static glacier]

I’d say it depends on key level

[keen spruce]

just queue as whatever is meta then change to whatever spec you want when the key is starting

[static glacier]

And honestly, sin is completely viable in 10.2 compared to .1 and 10.0 from my own testing

[elder torrent]

With The Silence and Damage Reduction from Garrote with carnate and Atrophic is the damage Reduction not really nice?

[keen spruce]

[static glacier]

The silence is more important than the DR, both are nice though

[elder torrent]

I'd assume it would be nice lol

[static glacier]

The issue with assassination in keys imo isn’t even the spec, it’s the alternatives

Outlaw’s dmg profile is more consistent and has good prio dmg in aoe - we need kingsbane to deal with a prio target in aoe

And Sub’s 2 min dmg window synergies better with Aug than we do

Ultimately though sin is definitely playable, even if not the best imo

[elder torrent]

sin?

[potent topaz]

Assa

[elder torrent]

o

[static glacier]

Assassination

[elder torrent]

Yeah Dooeee

dumb nim moment

lol

[earnest remnant]

prefer to just call it ass

[static glacier]

😳

[brazen sonnet]

we had 250k sim, then someone 'fix bugs' and now we have 240k sim. is it correct ?

[clever niche]

Call it ass

Assert dominance

[elder torrent]

for my Aoe Zaqali Assault build I just called it

Ass Assualt

[earnest remnant]

i only have 1 assault build

[static glacier]

In all seriousness all three rogue specs are good for m+, even if the community overly flocks to whatever is considered optimal

[earnest remnant]

and its called SPEEEED

[elder torrent]

Also What does SnD fan suppose to represent like we have the talent that gives us more SnD from Envenom or is there even more ?

[keen spruce]

our fastest was 2:22

[elder torrent]

bit of a side question lol

[indigo mulch]

I think we're at like 235 at the moment :p

[keen spruce]

we're slow af

[static glacier]

We defend SnD from those who would want it dead, like @royal lantern

[misty holly]

Think Heartwarming Fur Coat could be any good now since everything else got nerfed?

[elder torrent]

Snd just seems like a strong buff in general what would you wanna chuck it away for

[static glacier]

There was a time in SL where SnD didn’t exist

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor i almost did it, i almost made KB assa beat the padlords

[misty holly]

That seems like a bunch of vers when multiplied by 5 people.

[indigo mulch]

but once the 2p bug is fixed we'll be back.

[static glacier]

Everything is completely normal here

[elder torrent]

I played fury warrior in Draenor and then Missed SL and BFA and first tier of Dragonflight and made a rogue in Dragonflight so here we are

[rare jackal]

anyone know if luxthos update of his WA pack is any good? like tracking snapshots etc

[earnest remnant]

i dont see anything wrong there

[woeful meteor]

I see 1 right and 2 wrong

4 min assault

[static glacier]

Not updated yet but I’ve been a fan of it for its ease of customisation

[final star]

4:33

[shadow helm]

whats up with snd and assassination

[rare jackal]

ive been a fan too, although it has been lacking in some regards
like not tracking subterfuge, no indicator for finality rupture etc

[static glacier]

It does track those

[elder torrent]

SnD gets refreshed for free from envenom 🙂 unlike with sub where you have to uptime it

[static glacier]

Finality for sure I watch the buff timer frequently

[shadow helm]

ah im familiar with ctto

i thought there was jjust some special build around it

lmao

[rare jackal]

huh
well i havent updated in a while so maybe he added it down the line

[static glacier]

I have a separate tracker for subterfuge / dance ever since testing OL on ptr

[rare jackal]

i mean

[elder torrent]

I did too thats why I asked above lolol