assassination

[quick idol]

Hi guys,
I have Neltha trinket / Omnious / Bombs. Raidbot tells me to go omnious/bombs but i feel neltha/bomb can results into more dmgs if lucky about proc. Am i right ?

[silk bane]

ominous is more reliable overall, but a really high roll nelth can be ofc better, but also a really low roll nelth is gonna feel terrible

[leaden sundial]

If I am progressing mythic Sark. Should I use ominous 441 or nektharus trinket 447 then?

[silk bane]

whichever sims higher for you. theyre both good

[keen spruce]

i'd recommend onimous for the conisistency

nelth trinket can proc while you go down into transitions and you'll get 0 value out of it

[leaden sundial]

Thanks Armin. Smeeps. I will go for ominous then

[clever sapphire]

but nelth trinket is my only friend if i go down

who else gonna hug me

[keen spruce]

back squid always there to give you hugs

[clever sapphire]

ominous may be cool, but he is not a squid hugging me at the worst possible times of cool

[strange python]

Cursed uses bone spike instead of sepsis >.>

[slim estuary]

Where am I going wrong? I recently cleaned up my CDs but I am still not hitting the parse I thought I would

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fh4vHBNtyMwcQgAz#fight=last&view=rankings

[vital badger]

Hi everyone, I need some opinion if anyone could help me.

I currently have these 3 trinkets: Dragonfire Bomb Dispenser (337), Loaded Dice (441) and Neltharion's Call to Suffering (444).

I thought that Neltharion's Call to Suffering was the BiS for Assassination, but it's siming below DBD and LD.

Is it still worth using it?

[zealous summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ancient rain]

whats up with everyone playing neltharion instead of omnious?

[plucky canopy]

High rolling

If you do it's could better, on average it might be about similar, depending on your gear

[vital badger]

yeah I'm still getting gear (I'm currently 442), but it's really strange because I see some top players playing with Neltharion, but it's siming so bad, maybe it will get better once my stats are balanced?

[plucky canopy]

As shmeeps earlier said, omnious for consistency, nelth for high roll/low roll roller coaster 😂
Did you simmed omnious with all stats available and did you tried to sim omnious with all different stats?
It can be bad with crit but giga with mastery depending on your current gear

There is a yt video with a description explaining how to sim omnious with every possible stat

https://youtu.be/8ZSUJ1qQjYQ?si=-2IDJjgBwiFSS4dq

[quiet oar]

Depends on your stats aswell

I had this too, because i switched from Sub to Sin and had a lot of vers

But as soon as i lost some Vers it simmed better

• it can high roll

[vital badger]

Thank you for this info! I honestly don't have Omnious at the moment, I just got neltharion's at Echo right now. My stats are not that great since I'm still gearing up.

[quiet oar]

17% is a lot for Sin

i have 8%

with Nelth trinket equipped

[vital badger]

yeah, I need to remove this smh

[quiet oar]

Bot dont stress about it. You should be fine anyways

Just sim it

[vital badger]

Ty! I will 🙂

[quiet oar]

Bot will tell you what to recraft etc.

[vital badger]

I still have so much to craft 🥲 head, waist, neck... (second dagger if I don't get the other one)

[cerulean nest]

can any big boys look at a log real quick. ran with a new group last night and my numbers were surprisingly lower than I'm used to and I'm trying to figure it out

[quiet oar]

Any buffs missing?

[cerulean nest]

not sure that's what im trying to figure out

like on fights like magmorax especially I felt like I had extremely tight play and then the number shocked me. didnt have windfury but that's I think all I was missing

[quiet oar]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[quiet oar]

You can also try this

or send log here

[cerulean nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R1k7jXDC9Kb4rZAc

like I just felt low across the board. granted I haven't pulled these bosses in 2-3 months but still

[quiet oar]

hmm

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/R1k7jXDC9Kb4rZAc/36-Mythic+Magmorax+-+Kill+(5:10)/Aapaa/standard/statistics

I dont see anything fatal tbh

[cerulean nest]

yeah that's what I'm saying

[quiet oar]

I mean your Calss trinket

Had a bad uptime

on magmo

[cerulean nest]

yeah saw that

no WF

I mean is that really the different between like 10k dps though lol

[quiet oar]

and you got parried

3 times

[quiet oar]

2-3K

iirc

[cerulean nest]

right. I didn't get much augvoker stuff either

yeah idk

don't think I couldve done much different/better there

[quiet oar]

Doesnt matter for logs

But you have low crit

25% crit on bomb

[cerulean nest]

so literal just awful luck

[quiet oar]

and kill timing is bad

especially for rashok

[cerulean nest]

yeah I scuffed my last sepsis on rashok too

but yeah idk going from 95 on sark and then next week getting a 68 on magmorax im just like, what happened lol

[quiet oar]

I mean just look at wow analyzer

If it doesnt show big mistakes

Its probably unluck

[quiet oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nSmokzmw9Ek1edDarFUuCp

Also this is your sim

With 6 minutes and 80% uptime on Crit flask and without wf

[cerulean nest]

do standard sims add WF?

[quiet oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1FrKWGGQy2rDrEy4FoXnRi

ye

and 85% crit flask uptime

[cerulean nest]

ah

[quiet oar]

thats 5 minutes

[cerulean nest]

how are people doing 145k on the same magmorax kill time then

just insane buff uptime?

[quiet oar]

Ye

[cerulean nest]

I'll nae nae to that

[quiet oar]

I mean just look at scanas log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hp6awMKBkcZm8YJn#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=9

His DM is bigger

[cerulean nest]

love that for me

whatever as long as I wasn't missing something insane I guess I'm just at the mercy of procs

[quiet oar]

But dont stress about logs

Ye

[cerulean nest]

it was a trial I was doing last night lol

so bad timing on all that

[quiet oar]

Yeah but look at your sims too

They arent far off

[vernal bane]

is there a topic on discord for 3.3.5 rogues?

[drifting cloud]

theres a classic rogue discord

[blazing jewel]

15% sophic btw

[quiet oar]

28% Nelth trinket btw

26%

And you got 2 DMs empowered with it, when im not dumb

[amber stream]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

zzz 447 nelth beats beacon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uEpxRFfr4hZCaYyKWWzftU

but i need to recraft 3 pieces

[pseudo hamlet]

Tbh beacon was always simming low for me in Patchwerk. 447 Nelth also sims lower than 447 Chromatic Essence with all ally buf + Obsidian, have you tried that also?

[dark token]

yeah lemme just loot the most contested very rare trinket for my offspec

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[dark token]

why obsidian over mastery or haste

[pseudo hamlet]

Thought that's your main-spec

[dark token]

nah its sub

for this tier

[royal lantern]

and thats why nobody likes you

[pseudo hamlet]

As I wrote - "for me", seems like my stats are pretty balanced

[dark token]

i just played what was best for prog

then afked for 8 weeks

[royal lantern]

not rogue then?

[dark token]

now im gearing sin cause it cranks and looks good next tier

rogue was quite good for prog most bosses

even sark prog wasnt that bad

this was pretty funny tho

prog sark kill

[pseudo hamlet]

For your gear it's Ruby(versa) > Obsidian(all stats) > rest

[dark token]

thats cause i have beacon

[royal lantern]

ofc ehtical dmg only right

[dark token]

yes

no bp

[pseudo hamlet]

Nah, I simmed with Nelth + Bomber

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GMF8BW4RjDAzPT7p

[pseudo hamlet]

Here it is +882 with Versa buff:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7q1juzWMtVe8VNhpUdPRV

[dark token]

ye but heres mastery

haste

[pseudo hamlet]

The difference is higher than the one from the sims because I simmed Nelth+bomb trinket, I guess you used bomb + beacon for these?

[dark token]

o yeah

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor completely forgot about it but you asked if 142k was possible

[dark token]

i need to switch my tier helm now i just got the 447 regular one

[dark token]

nick of time abuser

[dark token]

whats the simc string to sim all essence buffs in 1 go

nvm found it

yeah its all the same

[earnest remnant]

no you

[dark token]

essence abuser

[earnest remnant]

just loot it or?

[dark token]

i try

dont even have the hc one

[earnest remnant]

dunno seems kinda easy

[royal lantern]

almost as good as our 4x bomb dispenser loot

[earnest remnant]

knock 100 dps off then

thats my 457 nelth trinket sim

[woeful meteor]

my alt got 2 before I had 1 on main

[dark token]

i got the 447 nelth trink

[fallen forge]

obviously photoshopped

[gusty mirage]

that's more essences than we've dropped all tier

[royal lantern]

you know how it is oxi

the worst players get the best loot

[earnest remnant]

thats rude

[gusty mirage]

true, that's why I got sark cloak before stealthi

cause I suck

[earnest remnant]

but i also have it now

does that mean that i suck too then?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eyes-staring-cute-gif-5305081

[blazing jewel]

Why is that raccoon orange

[earnest remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/268366812612263937/1130226255195799783/he_right.gif

[gusty mirage]

no

[royal lantern]

but not me

[gusty mirage]

my prog parses are a bigger disaster than the american healthcare system

[royal lantern]

[earnest remnant]

but did the bosses die?

[gusty mirage]

lol

[gusty mirage]

yes

[blazing jewel]

Dude glazed kazzara though

[earnest remnant]

watch your mouth or imma glaze you

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

(i have rabies)

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-19709032

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-believe-you-have-something-i-want-tommy-flanagan-alec-mccullough-wu-assassins-stop-right-there-gif-18627064

@earnest remnant this is a message from vel

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-dance-raccoon-pole-dance-gif-12393067

[oak sky]

Vel

[half dawn]

im so bad

i inted 25 bh fml

i didnt just int it kinda bad

i commited to the int with my lukewarm iq plays

fml

[royal lantern]

cool

[chilly viper]

!fuu

command doesn't anymore 👀

[amber blaze]

do you always play DTB in ST ?

If no, which lethal poison would be the best to play ?

[proven jasper]

amp

[amber blaze]

thx

[chilly viper]

@vestal wren haha

idk

[vestal wren]

could be that the bot didn't register it correctly

not sure

i don't see anything on the log, but the host had some issues yesterday

[tulip kernel]

do i always use a ER point on rupture or does it not matter

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[runic terrace]

Can someone tell me how to display only my bleeds in the boss frames of ElvUI?

[raw oasis]

Probably a complicated answer but from the looks of it, Bomb dispenser increases the value of crit substantially, correct? I'm noticing top mut logs are stacking 6k crit, around 2-2.5k haste, 4-5k mast and some vers. My sims are showing crit as my lowest value stat with 4600 but I have no dispenser.

[balmy condor]

Bomb doesn’t significantly increase crit value

[strange python]

Loving my Assa rogue. Level 61 and pushing

I'm running these talents.

[fallen forge]

garrote on 7 is a warcrime

but i respect that

[sonic zinc]

alt binds not showing or real binds

[runic hinge]

Those have gotta be some of the most unhinged binds I’ve ever seen

But he is still leveling so

[storm forum]

Lads I'm out of the healing cage

Real rogue player next tier

I cannot wait to be in the dumpster

[fallen forge]

thats what they all say

a friend of mine was vengeance tanking for 4 tiers when he was promised a havoc role

[storm forum]

Rip

Well, I'm out of the healer cage until my priest catches up at least

[strange python]

I have garrote as 1 on stealth bar

And I click/use hot keys

[runic hinge]

Back to third for io lmao

[storm forum]

I can't wait until my healer team dies and I need to swap back to priest for the .5 patch

[strange python]

Lol

[storm forum]

Rip Tony

I'm sure assa rework will be insane and everyone will fotm reroll to it so we'll both be in the dumpster

In terms of io

Lol

[runic hinge]

Well I kinda hope it’s really good but I don’t see people rerolling unless it’s super insanely overtuned.

[strange python]

Im not rerolling

Master spec

[runic hinge]

SS>bp spam too easy and BF and do your single target rotation are just way easier for people to handle than dot spread and spatter cleave

[storm forum]

I feel like spatter cleave is just as easy as BF

[runic hinge]

I’m just hoping I’m not getting declined from dungeons I’ve already timed next patch

[storm forum]

But yeah, DoT cleave stuff can be intimidating for people newer to the spec

[runic hinge]

The thing is people don’t like setup. And with assa has a lot of it before you really go in. Much easier to just roll into the pack and be able to blast

[strange python]

Eh. When I’m fighting mitilple enemies. I spread garrote first. Then use knives. But ST I do, stealth into garrote-mutilate-rupture-echoing-sepsis-ambush-mutliate-death mark-shiv-envenom

[runic hinge]

It’s fort week with engraging. Ap stonks through the moon

[plucky canopy]

is this more worth or using mutilate instead of the second garrote?

[dawn jolt]

noob question is it worth using ambush if it is not free?

[void mesa]

Semi related, but that vanish-imp garrote should be earlier on the 3rd dm, as you dont have any sepsis imp garrote. Thats half the DM with normal garrote

And iirc, double garrote wasnt too good, but not as a huge deal either. Normally youd be hitting a pandemic on your firet garrote anyways so it wouldnt do much

And in the way youre doing it, you might run the risk of overwritting the imp garrote with a regular if theres any clipping

[plucky canopy]

boss was about dead on that pull, so i just fired it 😄

[runic hinge]

I think it’s very minimal but also mut gives you more poisons during dm

[plucky canopy]

okay, so it's a gain to press mutilate instead of that 2-4sec more IG uptime?

[runic hinge]

We’re talking tenths of a percent here and also you would have your 4:30 sepsis coming up soon after this graphic ends

[balmy condor]

You don’t want to double garrote

[void mesa]

Yeah, thats what I meant, should likely do DM into vanish - imp garr

[winter gale]

Atm, 2x Sark daggers or 1x crafted ?

[void mesa]

No reason to hold your vanish much longer into the middle of dm

[balmy condor]

Yes but you shouldn’t ever run into that situation

[balmy condor]

Highest ilvl mainhand, nick of time offhand

[winter gale]

Ty !!

[dawn jolt]

for me shadowmeld allows me to use an ambush for some reason but not improved garrote

[plucky canopy]

thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

that's by design yes

[balmy condor]

np

[covert citrus]

what is the ST opener for assass

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq

[wanton nest]

does deathmark automatically double ur bleeds or do you have to apply them after the mark?

[drifting cloud]

automatic

[forest crypt]

That's why you set them up beforehand, so that the ful duration of death mark is double. Right?

[runic hinge]

You can reapply during and they’re doubled as well. It’s dynamic

[muted sentinel]

if shadowmeld doesnt let me use imp garrote, does it let me stealth again so i can open with imp garrote? context is middle of m+ trash packs, not during bosses

[storm forum]

Usually yes. However it fails if something keeps you in combat. What keeps you in combat is pretty inconsistent though, but being near detectors or directly on top of mobs Usually doesn't work. I think healing stuff also sometimes fucks with it too, but idk for sure.

Mini bosses also sometimes apply a global combat effect too, similar to a boss, so you can't re stealth during those fights either.

[strange python]

Right

Im still learning the basics of the priority

I have a rotation helper add on right now

First time playing rogue

[balmy condor]

Would suggest uninstalling

There are no rotation helpers out there that aren’t complete dogshit

[strange python]

Really?

[balmy condor]

Really

[strange python]

What’s the rotation then

[forest crypt]

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq

Any of the above

[void mesa]

The rotation is =/= Hekili 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yeah usually pretty safe to do exactly the opposite of that shit

[void mesa]

Apply dots - Uninstall Hekili during the dots - Tab back to game - Reapply dots - Improvise

Is better than following Hekili

[sonic zinc]

what even is hekili suggesting to do

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen it envenom at 2, overwrite stealth garrotes, vanish 2 seconds into the fight

All sorts of crazy shit

[strange python]

I follow hero rotation

[balmy condor]

When was the last time that got updated

[strange python]

I just updated it recently

[balmy condor]

That’s fine, but as far as I know, there’s no one developing it anymore

The people in charge of herorotation quit like a year ago

[timber meadow]

does nick of time drop?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Took me 10 weeks

[timber meadow]

love when my first mythic kill with new guild is a quick 7%'er

[timber meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/somethin-aint-right-gif-24732104

[runic hinge]

I haven’t seen one yet got 4 trinkets tho

[timber meadow]

got trinket today 😦

is that trinket better than call on avg? obv call can high roll but like on avg

is there a way to set a proc thresshold for call in sims?

[thorn fjord]

A lot of hekilli questions lately

Did they have like an ad up somewhere or something lol

Finally get a good zark parse @balmy condor ?

[slate crown]

Someone mentioned it today in this pug I joined too

[thorn fjord]

I said it yesterday it’s not a bad add on… it just really sucks for rogue

Hekilli helped me learn unholy

Also can I rub a nipple at blizzcon? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

That’ll cost extra

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor do you have a public set of weakaruas for assasin?

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[slate crown]

Whispyr has a group as well, I thought it was in that command

[timber meadow]

oh that confusd me lol dont thinik ive ever tracked this - this is just amp poison stacks ya?

[slate crown]

Looks like, but there's not a reason to track amp poison afaik, I don't track it at all

[timber meadow]

yeah i never track it was just tryin a new weakaura setup

does anyone else use devlin's group?

there's an elaborate planning bar at the bottom but then i went into "d-rogue-active" and there's an elaborate_planning icon... but that icon doesn't seem to ever actually appear. and im just trying to understand why the icon doesn't appear (functionalyl i dont really care becausae there's a bar that shows the uptime but more just curious about why the icon doesn't show up)

[slate crown]

Up front I don't think there's much value in tracking elaborate planning

But, to find why the icon doesn't appear, you want to first check: 1) is it loaded at all and 2) is it triggered?

If you look at the weakaura in your list, there will be a little page icon, which will be grey or yellow, like these

If it is yellow then it's loaded, if grey it is not. If it isn't loaded, then the reason can be found in the Load tab

[timber meadow]

yeah its loaded, i imagine its somethin with his trigger

[slate crown]

If it is yellow, the reason is in the trigger tab

[timber meadow]

"function(t)
local EPBar = aura_env.config["EPBar"]

if not EPBar then return t[1]
end

end"

is this basically saying that the ep bar takes prio but if the user maybe deleted the bar then the icon will be used instead?

[slate crown]

That's referring to custom options

Go to the custom options tab, there will be options there

That's basically saying if you have the EP bar option (it may have a different display name), then it will not trigger the icon aura

[timber meadow]

how can you tell that this trigger refers to custom options?

[slate crown]

because it has aura_env.config

[timber meadow]

ah okay

so anytime a trtigger has that it refers to custom options

[slate crown]

Anytime any custom code anywhere in an aura has aura_env.config it is referring to custom options, not just in the trigger

[timber meadow]

okay cool thanks

[slate crown]

You can just check the tab though, it's a lot easier than searching through for aura_env.config

[timber meadow]

ha yeah

similarly, do you find any value in tracking the additional poison application from envenum? that seems pretty pointless to track and ihaven't so far

[slate crown]

It's not generally worth tracking in 10.1, it just has a really high natural uptime right now

When taking Kingsbane, however (which looks to be dominant in 10.2), it is important to ensure Envenom uptime is as high as possible during Kingsbane. You don't need an envenom specific tracker for this, though, you can bake tracking envenom directly into your kingsbane tracker if you like

Or you can have an envenom tracker standalone, whichever you prefer

[old hull]

What is worth building stat wise on custom items?

[balmy condor]

Crit mast

[old hull]

Do we want haste at all?

I feel like my energy is so slow to regen

[balmy condor]

Some haste is okay

Usually higher end gear will be so heavy crit/mast that haste ends up being a bit better for a couple pieces

But you’d need like 25% haste to even notice a difference in speed

Probably like 70-75% to be fully capped on energy

And obviously like

You’d do 0 dps lmao

[old hull]

Yea. I am at 13% haste, 34% crit, 32% mast, 11% vers

So you'd suggest moving towards Crit mast and take from vers first i assume?

[balmy condor]

I’d suggest doing whatever top gear and droptimizer say you should do

Cause those numbers mean nothing to me

Robot knows best

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-dave-chappelle-saturday-night-live-im-out-bye-gif-19226527

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[blissful forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cNdifskFxXbYeKcp6eE2xS

yo guys

is this accurate?

im switching out one ring and gems and it shows its 1.7k dps increase

[balmy condor]

well you're changing a fuckton more than one ring my guy

[blissful forge]

recraft from the ring ok

but even the thingy below says 1.5k dps increase

by only switchting out gems

[balmy condor]

you added a gem to the 450

and re-gem'd all your shit

and re-enchanted

and re-crafted the ring

[blissful forge]

i get it

but even on my current gear gem swapping would be 1.5k

[balmy condor]

okay

[blissful forge]

increase

which i dont get

[balmy condor]

you got no haste, sim wants haste

[blissful forge]

im at 16% haste with my current gear, would get +200ish haste more

if i regem

and i cant belive that +200 more haste is 1.5k st dps increase honestly

i will gem the 450 ring now and craft another ring and then i will sim again with only gem changes

[balmy condor]

my guy you gotta learn to read the sim idk what to tell you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pagJXajZAMzDH9VdcRxNWM

here's just the gems and the enchants

it's like 650-750

the rest are the recraft and the extra gem

[keen spruce]

adding a gem by itself at that ilvl is gonna be a lot

[blissful forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6CHb8W7xDnRE9RD2nDQ2eo

regeming is actually only 54dps increase x))))

sowwy whispyr

CtS is prob better than essence if i wanna gamble a bit or?

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course it is AFTER YOU RECRAFTED AND TOOK THE 450 FROM YOUR VAULT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

the voices are winnin

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-insane-crazy-snow-white-clap-gif-17191672

[blissful forge]

just wanted to annoy whispyr a bit with the actual recraft gain <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

only sark cloak missing for 449 equip

[woeful meteor]

Does Subterfuge count as stealth for nightstalker?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[woeful meteor]

does that mean you an make live NS build even more cursed with 1 step and going subterfuge

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

But on live nightstalker is already basically within margin

And 90% of the value is from garrote

So subterfuge is like adding another 10 dps on a 100 dps pile

[woeful meteor]

Ye idk I play 1 NS since I could keep RC and it simmed slightly above margin, but only 3 more weeks anyway

[balmy condor]

10.2 subterfuge is on the menu though

Cause ambush go crazy

[woeful meteor]

I

hekin love ambush

[dark token]

Now we can press 1 for it

Heck yeah

[rotund oak]

Mr Whispyr sir,is there a podcast happening for 10.2 launch?Last vid on yt was uploaded like 3 months ago(cant rly listen to you guys live im working)

[grim jay]

whaaat

he quite recently clickbaited his way to the top

[gusty mirage]

he's talking about the podcast

someone used to upload them to youtube (me, I was that someone)

[grim jay]

hi that someone

[gusty mirage]

I've decided to stop interacting with the podcast in its entirety

so you'll have to talk to seli or whispyr to figure out who they got to do the bitch work

cause it aint me

[thorn fjord]

How you liking the new Diablo patch @gusty mirage

Haven’t gotten a chance to roll a toon yet

[gusty mirage]

yea its good

d4 aint poe, but a lot of great changes

[rotund oak]

ty

[amber sun]

sry if this was asked before, is there a way to sim all the different stats of chromatic essence?

nvm found it

[runic hinge]

I’m level 15 on my first play through

[thorn fjord]

Nice

Yeah I'll prob roll one tomorrow

[forest nacelle]

got a druid saying "15% haste is the magic number" smh.

[delicate orbit]

Never said magic number. Said it was a solid increase for assassination

[forest nacelle]

here we go

[delicate orbit]

per sims that is

[forest nacelle]

lol.

[wanton nest]

wait i want 15? im at 6

[forest nacelle]

im a 3

on my sin rogue

like 50% crit and 60% mastery xD

that simmed highest too

[delicate orbit]

don't know what to tell you. Haste simmed higher for me, so I went with it

I figure the sim doesn't lie

[forest nacelle]

must be a sub player.

[delicate orbit]

Assassination actually. Harlen-Laughing Skull

So the way that this went down is Lunchmeat told a rogue in raid that PI for rogue is bad. Rogue said haste is bad for all rogues, and I countered that it sims decently for assassination.

Per bloodmallet, Assassination has a decent gain from PI, so you take it if the priest is giving it to you.

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[keen spruce]

it would be more accurate to say that "15% was a solid increase for me"

[forest nacelle]

but he was outlaw so

[delicate orbit]

Didn't know they were outlaw. They generalized.

[balmy condor]

it’s a decent gain that’s below average

But yeah idk

This all reeks of just a couple of lads not understanding how stats work

If you have like a billion crit and mastery

[strange python]

Y’all were right about the rotation helpers. I’m now practicing the rotation on icy veins

[balmy condor]

It’s not gonna want a billion and 1 crit and mastery

It’s gonna want something else

In this case haste

so when you get past like 445, the sim starts going “hey that’s a ton of crit and mastery, try some haste”

But there’s not like some magic number

Or 15% or 6% or better or worse or pi or not pi

It’s just how numbers work

[kind turtle]

Is Nighstalker ever good to take as assa? As far as I can tell it doesn't work with subterfuge, so i feel like it'd never be active. Some lmk if I'm wrong

[slate crown]

It's not worth taking right now on 10.1. On 10.2 at the moment it's essentially a lock-in talent, but that's due to various talent changes in 10.2

[kind turtle]

Why is it lock-in, does it work with subterfuge in 10.2?

[slate crown]

Because shadow dance becomes more accessible due to the talents being rearranged

which gives much more frequent access to nightstalker's effects. Also nightstalker is gating shadow dance anyways in 10.2 so you have to take it, and can be combined with kingsbane for massive damage snapshots every min

[kind turtle]

ah we take SD. gotcha

[spice surge]

It also works with subterfuge in 10.2, fwiw

But the stuff lisonnas said is the main reason

[strange python]

I’m ready for 10.2

[runic hinge]

You and me both

[strange python]

I really wanted a mix of my two favorite zones in the game: Ardenweald and Val’shara

And with Emerald Dream we have that now

[covert citrus]

do we use slice and dice in AOE

[runic hinge]

Yes

[keen brook]

Can anyone help me with a log review?

[balmy condor]

Wowanalyzer can

[keen brook]

where do i use the first vanish in an encounter?

[potent forge]

"Vanish is HELD for the 2min Deathmark, used on the 4min deathmark on cooldown, then held again for the 6 min like before. You can also use it if you have a gap with no improved garrote and you're approaching the end of a fight."

From FAQ section

[balmy condor]

You can technically cast it earlier as well but makes it tricky

[potent forge]

to my knowledge, since no imp garrote from sepsis

[balmy condor]

But yeah, that’s the standard

[potent forge]

we want imp garrot from vanish for DM

[balmy condor]

What

[potent forge]

nvm nvm

[balmy condor]

Sepsis gives improved garrote

[potent forge]

yeah but 2min DM doesnt have sepsis, right?

[balmy condor]

It does if you hold the 1:30 sepsis for like 10-15 seconds

The garrote carries through it

[potent forge]

oh then im trolling

ty ty

[lucid birch]

buff rogue

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[thin trout]

[regal ibex]

is it worth learning ass on live right now if i want to play it in 10.2

[slate crown]

It's different in 10.2 but I think it's good to learn at any time

It's not like pants-on-head different, like there's still concepts to get used to

[regal ibex]

yea thats why i figured i probably should

buff got me hyped and turned away from switching to outlaw

[terse otter]

I just want assa to be strong in keys. 🤓

[regal ibex]

same

i dont wanna play aug or outlaw

[silk bane]

jokes on you, youre not gonna be playing rogue if you wanna push actually high keys anyways

[thorn fjord]

Nice got nelth trinket tonight

[balmy condor]

Nice

[quiet oar]

gz!

[fallen forge]

wiped on a 45% sophic pull

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[quiet oar]

[primal jolt]

about the ass rework should i be looking forward to it or looking for a new main?

i cba reading articles about it

[willow kite]

Doesn't that just equal "cba knowing"

[primal jolt]

simple question, does ass feel good to play or no?

[willow kite]

Sure

[spice spire]

Fun subjective

[loud marlin]

Is Sin going to be worth maining in 10.2? Or do other rogue specs look more interesting? I'm usually a healer main but I think I want to dps this tier. Idk if I like the ww tier. And it's this or shaman

[terse otter]

Im vdh main but got another guy that can tank keys for us, rly hope assa will be strong in keys, dont need it to be meta... Im playing until like 25s

[grave basin]

whispyr cringe

[strange python]

So rogue isn’t good in high keys?

[thick sail]

Assassination definitely isn't ideal currently

[tranquil cobalt]

so i have a question. We are on farm and i a trying out assasination after playing sub and outlaw all through prog. I am messing up something and i am not sure if its stats, or rotation issue. Can anyone help here if i have some logs?

[spice spire]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

[tranquil cobalt]

yeah, looking through that i cant see why my dps sucks ahah

[forest nacelle]

finnally got it...................... really late.

beats out my 424 ice globe 🤣

[earnest remnant]

[forest nacelle]

lol yeah

[drifting cloud]

fragment oversims for assa so it probably doesnt beat your ice globe

[forest nacelle]

oh

didn't know that

[keen spruce]

fragment is very mediocre compared to other trinkets at its ilvl

best viable dungeon trinkets is gonna be harlan's dice from freehold

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[minor aurora]

i feel as if im simming my guy wrong, i recently got a 447 tier helm, but its a crafted piece but the guide shows chest being the crafted piece and equipping tier helm, but when i sim the chest craft is 6k dps loss

[sonic zinc]

show sim

[minor aurora]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8yvhzJwx58o2pHNs4D4qgv

[sonic zinc]

ur helm has toxic patch on it

[minor aurora]

and ill craft chest with toxic patch, but i dont remember how to sim that

[sonic zinc]

gear compare

[minor aurora]

is it gear compar

okay yeah

thank you

okay yeah different sims lol

[minor aurora]

how often do yall sim gems/replacement gems?

[inner temple]

never, anytime im bored lol

[rose adder]

Hey guys, I haven’t played rogue since legion and am coming back to it. Quick question, for stat priority on wowhead it says agility > crit = mastery > haste > vers. Is there a sweet spot for haste? I just know I have literally zero haste and I looked at whispyrs armory and he has like 20%. So it’s kinda a large difference to ignore

If situation matters, I’m only an AOTC raider I mainly focus on m+

[clever niche]

diminishing returns along with stuff like what drops and having primary be better than all secondaries means that having some haste will happen and not the worst thing in the world. Always use a top gear sim and consider options when you get a new piece of gear

[rose adder]

Forsure. Yea he has haste on his crafted gear so he like, intentionally did it. So I just didn’t know if there was a break point or something

[clever niche]

hard haste breakpoints haven't been a thing for some time, no extra ticks or anything like that. Once you reach a point where you have a lot (read: a tonne) of secondaries the others will gain values as you'll get more per point than you would the others

[rose adder]

Fasho. Makes enough sense. I’m coming from monk so literally any point of haste was a wasted stat lol

[clever niche]

personally, Assasination is well positioned statline wise that we avoid a situation where any of the secondaries are a waste, you'll get some mileage out of haste/vers regardless but it depends on situation

[rose adder]

That’s good, so going into the new season it’ll probably make gearing easier since when you target highest possible agility the secondaries are all decent

[balmy condor]

Hi smile

Haste sucks until it doesn’t

I would like to propose a thought experiment

If I gave you

6000 ripe juicy apples

And I offered you another apple

Or

[clever niche]

I watched your energy video btw whispyr, surely haste adds to that headache haha

[balmy condor]

A strawberry

Are you taking the apple

Probably won’t

Cause you got enough apples to feed a village in Liberia

Same shit with sims

[rose adder]

I personally would take the apple because strawberry’s texture scares me. But I get the point of too much of one thing isn’t the option

[balmy condor]

Everything’s a multiplier in wow

So eventually it just dr’s itself purely by sheer will and determination

[rose adder]

Which is why agility is bis because it’s the base of which the multipliers apply correct?

[balmy condor]

Uh

Kinda I guess yeah

At the end of the day it’s just another multiplier

[rose adder]

And I’m probably no where near haste being decent, I’m only 430 ilvl I just swapped a week ago

[balmy condor]

It’s just super bonkers strong compared to the other stats

But in theory the same concept applies

[balmy condor]

Yeh another 15 ilvl

Might get there

[rose adder]

Hah yea. I won’t recraft my gear then lol I’ll keep it crit mastery

Btw your videos are why I’m here. I’ve been watching them and it’s dragging me back to rogue after a 7 year hiatus.

I only play assassination, so hopefully we have a good season, seems like sins positioned too Atleast.

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

what if theres an apple breakpoint? and after eating 5000 apples all i can eat now is apples? banger >:3

[balmy condor]

mayo burger aoili indeed sir

[clever niche]

after eating 300 apples, all subsequent apples will be 10% less tasty

[cerulean nest]

damn sin stocks eh?

im hype

[sharp pebble]

Will the current Assassin play style still be viable / a thing after the rework? I appreciate how chill it is

Sorry if this gets asked like 3000 times

[balmy condor]

depends what part of "current play style" you appreciate I guess

[soft shale]

i can confirm you still use mutilate and garrote

[sharp pebble]

I guess the part where it’s easy to keep all your DoTs on and - in general - not that hard

[balmy condor]

well

the opener is getting a lot longer

[sharp pebble]

Always a good start

[balmy condor]

and more confusing

but if you don't mind shadow dance and kingsbane

[soft shale]

when you learn it it makes sence

[balmy condor]

it's basically the same thing

[sharp pebble]

Hmm.. I don’t plan to take either. But yunno, it is what it is

[balmy condor]

outside of your burst every minute it's more chill than it is now

[sharp pebble]

That’s nice

[balmy condor]

there's still options to not take dance and kinda avoid all the snapshotting piano opener

but they're not great atm

you'd lose a couple %

but if you're just heroic raiding or doing a key or two every week with the boys

shouldn't be much of a concern

[sharp pebble]

Ah that’s okay. I am a pretty firm #ForFun player yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah

perfect

you're good to go then

there's a link to a build showcase in the pins of #tww-assassination

if you want to see some of the ideas atm

[sharp pebble]

Nice! I’ll have to shimmy through it. Appreciate the response

[balmy condor]

np

[queen aspen]

Hi Guys
I am coming back next patch trying to catch-up with gear, doing the usual weeklys for heroic level gear
However i was wondering if there's an easy way to get crests so I can upgrade the gear I am getting

[balmy condor]

Spam m+

[strange python]

What can i do in that case if i have max-2 cps and shiv applied, garrote applied? just use another mutilate or i can use a finisher?

[balmy condor]

we finish on max-1

and max-2 is less than max-1

so you would mutilate

[sweet pawn]

I'm very very new to rogue and trying to get my head around the sin opener
is the opening sequence set in stone or are there variations with similar results?

looking at M Kazzara the top rogue for instance is using Sepsis much later compared to what I've seen in other logs (guessing to get maximum uptime on empowered garrote?)

[balmy condor]

yeh this is pretty much just feelcraft for fun

they're trying to get the end of sepsis into the tier set

on short kill times it might be kinda okay maybe perhaps depending on how short the short part of the kill time is and mechanics timings etc etc

but it's like the most mini of min-maxes imaginable

[sweet pawn]

yeah their kill time was 2:20 compared to the 2nd and 3rd being around the 3min mark

[balmy condor]

the biggest part of parsing right now is can you RNG into sophic/call to suffering procs

[sweet pawn]

other question, do you always ER right after DeathMark/shiv? how bad is it to do it before Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

and have a good kill time

[balmy condor]

it's like 150 dps difference at most

most people ER before just because it "feels better"

[sweet pawn]

that's kinda the habit I got myself into

so wasn't sure how urgently I needed to break it

[balmy condor]

well give it another 2.5 weeks

and you won't need to ER at all

[sweet pawn]

yeah I'm looking forward to freeing up a couple of binds, current configuration is not ideal

[balmy condor]

well lets not get ahead of ourselves here

kingsbane replaces sepsis, dance replaces er

[sweet pawn]

.....well shit

[balmy condor]

only thing you're really able to get rid of will be ambush

and by "get rid of" I mean putting it in mutilates place on your stealth bar

[sweet pawn]

hmm I gotta figure out a more comfortable layout then, cause my current configuration is clunky at best

[primal jolt]

any talent i can replace echoing reprimand with?

[sharp pebble]

I don’t think so if you want to do really high level content. But like I just do Heroic type stuff and don’t take EA (I forget what I take instead, I think just more of the execute passive and something else)

[royal lantern]

in 1 month you dont play er anymore

[sharp pebble]

Yo!? 👀

That’s so sick I hate ER

[royal lantern]

well, enjoy shadowdance snapshoting instead

[sharp pebble]

Just weird. What the fuck is animacharge

(Ok i know what it is but it feels odd thematically)

[sharp pebble]

😬

I love current Assassination I think it is very fun

For raids at least

[primal jolt]

would you call the new ass easier or harder to play though?

[sweet dawn]

Snapshotting ain't that bad tbh

You just dance > garrote > rupture > kingsbane

[mortal elm]

do we ever overwrite a rupture for ER rupture or not worth in any condition?

[woeful meteor]

ER Rupture doesnt deal more dmg it just lasts longer so no

[royal lantern]

equal imo

[primal jolt]

im guessing its at least more fluid rotation

[royal lantern]

you trade "keep track of sepsis" with "play around kingsbane and dance snapshoting"

if exsang will be played, slighty different by slowing down on purpose a bit

[primal jolt]

is it a lot of keybinds?

[royal lantern]

less then it is rn

you trade ER with shadowdance, you can unbind ambush

instead of sepsis its kingsbane

[sharp pebble]

Oh wait do people not take Dragon tempered blades anymore?

[spice sentinel]

you can take both for st

[sharp pebble]

Oh ayo

[spice sentinel]

dtb is nerfed by a decent amount to compensate

[sharp pebble]

Oh??? How so? It seems like a hard skill to nerf or buff really

Oh sorry I just read the whole PTR notes

Though I’m not clear on if the 30% reduction is like… additive or multiplicative

Regardless, crazy the amount of changes. Honestly a bit worried it’ll make the spec OP

[royal lantern]

far from it lmao

[sharp pebble]

Oh? Well that’s good to hear. I’m just reading through it and it seems like pretty huge buff after buff haha

Maybe I just never really realized how down bad assassination was

[royal lantern]

cus it was tuned low

[sharp pebble]

Yeah, I just didn’t realize how low

[royal lantern]

well

outlaw was 1 of the 3 best dps and had 270k sims

assa was ~220-230k iirc

[merry raven]

is the a collection of PTR sims somewhere?

[spice surge]

No, and if there is its likley inaccurate

[royal lantern]

^

[indigo mulch]

Buff pls

[proven jasper]

Yeah all im hearing is buff warlock

[grim jay]

like every tier

[proven jasper]

Fr

[halcyon arch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[halcyon arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zinc furnace]

hi gentlemen, returning player here - learning the spec on the guides, but have a question.
when specced in Sepsis, what do ppl follow it with Shiv in their opener, rather than Garrote for example, as Sepsis awards stealth ability use?

[serene fossil]

First improved garrote should still be running in opener when you press sepsis meaning if you press garrote early you loose imp garrote time, if you follow the opener in #assassination-faq you have more of imp garrote uptime (this is what i understand from trying to learn it myself)

[zinc furnace]

thanks for directing, didnt notice the faq

[stiff fjord]

Hey does anyone have the simc string to sim all flasks ?

[sweet dawn]

#subtlety-faq message

[warm sleet]

Why do some people shiv before using deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Cause they’re silly

[median root]

non 10.2 question, are we supposed to hold gcds then garrote at the end of the 2nd sepsis buff in order to not consume the buff with muts etc?

nevermind i see what was happening

[midnight mist]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[somber fractal]

does caustic spatter work with envenom damage?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[open root]

is that normal for not using [Vanish] , I mean I'm using improve [Garrote] from [Stealth] at start

[balmy condor]

The 1:30 sepsis could’ve been held 10-15 seconds to cover the 2 min Deathmark, and then vanish used at 0:30ish and 2:30 would’ve gotten you an extra cast

But it’s pretty minor

[open root]

, btw tnq for YT videos after each update , appreciate

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

[primal jolt]

is sepsis still a thing after the rework?

[gusty mirage]

it still is a thing, but you just won't play it

cause assa will be playing dance next tier

so the best part of sepsis is gonezo

[half dawn]

how does dance feel to play for assa

[woeful meteor]

kinda whatever you get like 1 ambush out of it

[half dawn]

you play dance in m+ or just ST?

[woeful meteor]

both

[half dawn]

ah

[primal jolt]

is tea staying?

[limber lion]

Yes

[runic hinge]

Feral

[frigid fog]

Hey - I normally play Sub (I think i'm okay) but now trying out Assass. I find im always energy starved; what would you suspect to be the cause? Am I potentially playing Assass too much like Sub; too spammy?

[balmy condor]

I suspect the cause to be you're playing assassination

[frigid fog]

:p lol

i appreciate the point and understand it straight away then

[junior pulsar]

Using shadowdance and vanish is only to apply strong garrotes again right, or is there other things to keep in mind

[balmy condor]

sepsis technically as well if we're just counting all the sources

[limber lion]

In live yeah, and Ambush where applicable. But you would never play Dance anywhere currently. 10.2. has Nightstalker snapshotting as well with em

[balmy condor]

oh

I read it the other way around

[wet agate]

Will Sin play relatively similar in 10.2 as it does right now? Looking for another class to roll

Btw just watched some of your content on YT Whispyr, I like the detail you provide. 👌

[balmy condor]

relatively similar yes, but there are some changes

like dance snapshotting makes the opener a bit more rigid

and there's things like caustic to keep track of in aoe

the core itself is the same, but there's definitely changes mainly to aoe and cooldown sequencing

[fallen forge]

after we set up caustic do we just fok > envenom spam? after we set up ct

[wet agate]

Alright cool. I was just curious whether it was worth investing the time to learn the spec right now as opposed to waiting until 10.2 but if the core is the same then there probably isn't any harm in doing so. Thanks 👍

[balmy condor]

yesn't

you still want to focus on bleeds first in aoe

so like caustic is good

but it's not "just ignore rupture" good

for example

especially with scent of blood

[fallen forge]

oh right i forgot new IC is garrote or rupture, not and

[balmy condor]

even outside of IC

[fallen forge]

the number of ruptures we set up is just to get good enough energy regen right?

[balmy condor]

getting 4% agi is kinda large

[fallen forge]

ye tru

[dark token]

Wdym

It's and

Whichever ability you cast will be duplicated

[fallen forge]

yes i mean currently you get garrote and rupture duplicated before ic goes on cd

new ic means you can use all of it on garrote

unless im blind bc i havent looked at the talent in a while

[slate crown]

Yes. The old IC gives you one charge of garrote / rupture to use each. The new IC is "Any rupture / garrote cast in the next 10 seconds". Technically you can't use it all on garrote because garrote has a cooldown after the first 3 seconds but I get what you mean.

[keen spruce]

finally a fixed parse

@gusty mirage i didn't mean to ignore you i tabbed out to find terrorists on a pull

[gusty mirage]

[snow kindle]

what flask we using for raid

[balmy condor]

crit

[arctic hare]

Love how the icon STILL outsims a 437 Mutated Magmammoth scale...

[balmy condor]

yeh that trinket is giga shit

[arctic hare]

Seriously? hmm

[balmy condor]

It's so bad I can't tell you what it does

[arctic hare]

At this point I just want to replace my 421 Icon

[balmy condor]

cause I've actually never seen it

ain't a rogue player on this planet using that thing

[arctic hare]

Well, fuck

Would dual on use irideus and mirror work better i wonder... hmmmmm

[balmy condor]

mirror is a good start

irideus is also a giga shit trinket

[arctic hare]

Damn ittttttt

[balmy condor]

we're getting closer though

[arctic hare]

I've got NOTHING else, I'm just tired of using a 421 trinket

[balmy condor]

farm a harlans dice

back to the mines

[arctic hare]

oh god why

[balmy condor]

you said you wanted to replace the 421

[arctic hare]

You're right

but its....

Mines.

[balmy condor]

alternatively

you could just

not play the game for 2 weeks

[arctic hare]

I must refuse.

[balmy condor]

and then log in and farm the gear

[arctic hare]

Anythin good from Uldaman?

For instance, homeland raid horn. hmm, no

I've only got a possible 424 of that atm

[balmy condor]

raid horn is okay

we take that over the other nonsense you've suggested

[arctic hare]

It probably won't beat a 421 incarnate icon though

[balmy condor]

at 424 probably not

[arctic hare]

yeah, figured as much

Bout to do a 15 uldaman rq, HOPEFULLY I get something, anything lmao

[bold temple]

Question coming from a PvP context but feel like you’ll know the answer. What’s the dps loss of wound poison over deadly out of curiosity

[void mesa]

Way too much, dont do it

Like not worth doing the math

[sharp pebble]

Yeah assassin functions with deadly as like a core mechanic. Maybe if Wound scaled with mastery differently / better

[velvet bridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure moth]

nice. my reclear consisted of the first 3 fights. did me no good lol

[gleaming geyser]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

i'm blue parsing like every early fight cuz our kill times are basically the same as mid tier

too many alts

[pure moth]

We pulled rashok twice and they gave up.

I just want a reclear

[potent phoenix]

we wiped 12 times trying to reclear experiments but 3 shot rashok, was a messy messy week

[keen spruce]

we did a lotta wiping

[thorn fjord]

Our kill times are still around prog kill times

No parsing for me outside of first two bosses 😦

[pure moth]

Hardly anyone reclears at this point either

[outer cairn]

maybe jesus will answer my prayer, but anyone have a mythic sark lockout so my team doesn't have to reclear echo so we can just go kill sark again and I can finally get my first CE?

not sure how that would all work

[keen spruce]

i doubt that would be available

if someone has a sark lockout

they'd probably just use it

[outer cairn]

yeah i know

just wishful thinking

[keen spruce]

but if you're going to raid tonight you could have ours lol

we're done for the week

[outer cairn]

ha. i wish

not till tuesday

i had to move due to job so they cleared echo while i was moving and then moved on. been waiting awhile and now we only have like 3 raid nights

pretty shitty feeling to show up every night and then not get it

[molten galleon]

Can I ask for an log review ? 🙂

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NzjKB9nQPH1FvyWf#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=16

[runic hinge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[runic hinge]

have you tried WA yet

[keen spruce]

proc more sophic

log review complete

@molten galleon https://wowanalyzer.com/report/NzjKB9nQPH1FvyWf/5/16

[molten galleon]

its actually low no ?

[keen spruce]

that's very low

look at the analyzer

[molten galleon]

why tho

[keen spruce]

rng

[molten galleon]

[keen spruce]

you also didn't utilize shiv that well with sepsis

dropped garrote a couple of times

[molten galleon]

that once i saw myfself ^^

[keen spruce]

you can delay your 4m deathmark to 5m on rashok to line up with your 2nd pot

since you won't be getting a 4th one

and you had like 4 low CP envenoms

[molten galleon]

i did get 4th 😄

[molten galleon]

mh

[keen spruce]

you did not

the fight only lasted 6m

[molten galleon]

o.o

[keen spruce]

you also didn't use a 2nd pot

[molten galleon]

okay i am trolling swwtf

wtf

[keen spruce]

just bump that 3rd deathmark to the 5m mark and use it with your 2nd combat pot

[vast loom]

sometimes you gotta see the mistakes to realize how much you have been trolling lol

[molten galleon]

ye sure makes way more sense

[molten galleon]

[vast loom]

if you really want to get better it really helps to record your gameplay then watch it back later

like a day or 2 later

[keen spruce]

also very minor

[molten galleon]

doing it actually 😄

but failed this time 😄

[keen spruce]

scoot your first beacon until after your ruptre

rupture

[molten galleon]

why tho ? 🙂

[keen spruce]

not that big of a deal but you're technically just losing like 3s of rupture for no reason

[molten galleon]

kk

[molten galleon]

what exactly you ment with

dont i just press is off cdß

[keen spruce]

pretty much your sepsis casts should always be sepsis->gar->shiv

[molten galleon]

ah okay

[keen spruce]

so you want to have a shiv charge sitting around

[molten galleon]

so i hold shiv more

I see

[keen spruce]

outside of CDs just don't let shiv cap on charges

[vast loom]

with 2 stakcs of shiv

[keen spruce]

but it's nice to keep one in the tank

[vast loom]

as long as you arnt sitting on 2 stacks

you arnt wasting anything

[molten galleon]

sure thing sir ^^

[keen spruce]

at your ilvl you might be better off dropping beacon for a class trinket, chromatic essence if you have all buffs, or high ilvl harlan's

if you have them

[molten galleon]

swapped Assa since 2 days 😄 wasnt lucky with trinkets so far 😄

[keen spruce]

but the rest seesms fine

[molten galleon]

just the 50 things we just mentioned 😄 Kappa

[keen spruce]

well most of those are very minor

like VERY minor

i wasn't joking that most of your parse issues are just sophic procs lol

my rashok pulls fall into about a 25k dps range

[molten galleon]

still only a 38% log 😄

[keen spruce]

based on class trinket and sophic procs

[molten galleon]

I mean i missed enhancer but still

wasnt pleased with myself

😄

[keen spruce]

you can't really expect to parse on patchwerk fights like rashok rn

unless your guild is very juiced

[molten galleon]

urgh

[keen spruce]

cuz like

fast guilds are killing it almost a minute faster than you

[molten galleon]

still trying to do good tho 😄

[molten galleon]

testing trials ^^ pretty low Raid dps ^^

[junior pulsar]

Any good tips for Plater profile to make important dots durations visible? When all dots + cds are up theres like 8 buffs on the target dummy.

[keen spruce]

well okay so our reclear this weeked, we had a 1% wipe cuz of a hunter and i was sitting at like 139k which would have been high 90's parse

then the kill with basically the same performance i was at 127k

which was only a 56

[molten galleon]

unlucky ^^

[keen spruce]

just comes down to kill times and procs once you clean up the small stuff

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats how it goes

[molten galleon]

mh okay 😄

[keen spruce]

and parsing is just kinda deadge

[haughty flicker]

my parses during wipes on prog always look good

[keen spruce]

cuz stealthi's guild keeps killing bosses in like 14 seconds

[haughty flicker]

then we kill and its slow af because we're progging late in the tier

and its ugly

[molten galleon]

still thanks for the help! ❤️

[agile osprey]

Did you try pressing your buttons harder?

[molten galleon]

[haughty flicker]

unless you're reclearing parses arent something to look at, just look at how you can improve

[keen spruce]

yes

[pure moth]

On first boss i got the beam and all of the things were on opposite side of room for whatever reason. It had to travel far... lol. Beam ended up going on someone else which was kinda funny. But i still had the marker as if it was on me. Talk about downtime when youre doing 150k

[keen spruce]

i've actually only improved a single parse on 2 weeks of reclears

and that's cuz i was padding on nelth adds

in p3

[agile osprey]

We working through echo reclear rn, I'm calling the p1 dps stop. It just so happens that my second deathmark is up then.

Everyone (else) hold dps

big dog's gotta eat

[keen spruce]

we just stopped holding dps

this week

[pure moth]

Let me come to a reclear ^.^

[agile osprey]

we don't wanna throw off our timers 😦

[keen spruce]

fk them healers they can move their CDs

[agile osprey]

LOL

[keen spruce]

it's actually not too bad as a dps

you just move your lust to the very start of p3

and hold your 4m till then

lands at about 5m

for your pot +lust

and you might get one more deathmark right at the end if it's a messy kill

[agile osprey]

oh it will be

trust

[agile osprey]

[keen spruce]

[agile osprey]

We really want to get a second sark kill to get our remaining players CE. But the absences crazy next couple weeks.

[keen spruce]

all of our bench players quit

[agile osprey]

We got our balance druid tanking sark theoretically

[keen spruce]

so we don't actually need to rekill sark

[agile osprey]

"Surely this won't go tits up"

[keen spruce]

but we're not raiding on blizzcon weekend ig

so we've only got one more week

[agile osprey]

At least you got to use the dagger for 2 weeks

[keen spruce]

yeah but i need my sark daggie

[pure moth]

Ill trade it ^.^

Bring me

[keen spruce]

we recruited 2 rogues already

one of them is using an irideus fragment

[junior pulsar]

Is it possible on Plater to remove all less important applications on Healthbars. Playing with hybrid build on PTR and when I use cds + dots its like 10 to track on the bars

[sweet pond]

Is alch trinket any good or any crafted trink

[keen spruce]

mine does that too

probably just wait for new profiles to come out after patch release

[keen spruce]

not really

basically bomb dispenser is most important