assassination

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

gearing a second rogue

[gusty mirage]

brother

are you okay

[clever sapphire]

because i need my happy points when getting upgrades

[gusty mirage]

is there someone I should call

[clever sapphire]

no im not

mage already 443 geared

and has higher rating than my rogue, im lost

this end of season is killing me

[runic hinge]

Gear a feral. So fun

[clever sapphire]

my feral is 434

[runic hinge]

Mines 441 now

[gusty mirage]

???????????

[runic hinge]

Lol

I came from feral to assa

[gusty mirage]

I get that

but holy

[runic hinge]

By intact I meant in the same tiny pieces.

[clever sapphire]

feral is what assa wants to be, a spec that doesnt just spam shit

my feral just has all the trinkets

[runic hinge]

Stuart bit me hard enough to make me bleed today. We’re just trying to survive out here

[clever sapphire]

never saw bacon on my rogue

even once

[gusty mirage]

that motherfucker

tell stuart it's on sight if I see him

(don't do that, I don't wanna get my ass beat by a bird)

[clever sapphire]

wait bird? yummy

[runic hinge]

He’ll bite you too. He’s ready to rumble

[clever sapphire]

also when i think of stuart i think of the rat

[gusty mirage]

#1146207476983812117 message this will explain everything

[clever sapphire]

im gonna have a biteoff with it

[runic hinge]

You will lose. Trust me.

He’s got a pair of pliers for a face and he’s not afraid to use it

[clever sapphire]

aye parrots are broken

[runic hinge]

He op op

[gusty mirage]

stuart needs a nerf ngl

[runic hinge]

Pretty sure he’s threatened the devs. So no nerfs in sight.

[clever sapphire]

dude has been unbalanced since the getgo, i bet he fakes sims so they dont touch him

[runic hinge]

My hunter has a parrot pet named Stuart

My hunter is also level 68 so it doesn’t see much play

[clever sapphire]

your parrot would have a hunter pet probably if he was in game

[runic hinge]

True

[clever sapphire]

now i wanna gear my feral to 443 also

feck

why did you make me remember this spec

[runic hinge]

Lol. I want to push my assa rating to 3k. But I don’t wanna pug. So I’m probably also going to just push my ferals gear

[clever sapphire]

i lost interest in pushing rio the moment aug arrived

probably a dumb reason

but dont take me for a smart guy

and at this point i only play my chars to raidlog or gear

my rogue is in the raidlog department for the last 2 months probably

[strange python]

Assa is a much faster playstyle. I kinda like it more than Outlaw.

[clever sapphire]

O.o

now thats something i have never seen before

@midnight mist outlaw is slower than assa confirmed

[midnight mist]

so true

outlaw on ptr is so slow

im falling asleep

[strange python]

I can confirm. I'm killing things way faster than when using outlaw.

[clever sapphire]

im actually confused, is assa faster during leveling?

[strange python]

Yes.

What is ptr?

[clever sapphire]

public test realm

[strange python]

Ah.

[clever sapphire]

currently they testing 10.2 raid and new talnts

[strange python]

Gotcha

So for Assa, either go sepsis, or go dragon tempered blades with bone spike, correct?

I remember someone telling me that Sepsis was bad right now.

But maybe that was for Outlaw

[clever sapphire]

it was me and nope thats not what i said xD

[strange python]

Oh lol.

[clever sapphire]

with lvl 70, you have both dragon tempered and sepsis/bonespike

bonespike you dont really take currently because sepsis is stronger

it is the easier option tho, so if you want it easier just take bonespike

[strange python]

Well, the build you gave me, we don't take dragon tempered

[clever sapphire]

what

[strange python]

Wait actuall.

I think we do.

[clever sapphire]

i sent this

[strange python]

I have the talent messed up.

[clever sapphire]

well a link to this

[strange python]

Yeah.

It's the middle one right?

[clever sapphire]

yap

[strange python]

Gotcha, had it confused with the right one.

[clever sapphire]

right and left ones are for aoe

[clever sapphire]

went back to my feral to try and get echo trinket, got a priest and an aug already simping for me boss 1

[runic hinge]

Lmao hell yeah. I got heroic dajarrun last week and I had 4 people crying in whispers for the tank who was also using a 447 crafted weapon as if they needed it more.

[clever sapphire]

i only have the timestrike weapon from dawn

me sadge

my monk who i never play got dajarrun first rashok kill

[runic hinge]

My trinkets are bad currently tho. Using 441 dice and mirror trinket

[clever sapphire]

i have 437 bomb and beacon

i hate it

double on use

need to replace quickly

[runic hinge]

I have beacon but I’m not using it

Too rng for me

Well, more like I just never crit so it feels bad

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind beacon, im just not a fan of bomb for some reason

dunno why

even if beacon does less dmg, atleast it looks good

[half dawn]

you can't really replace bombs with anything though can you?

[clever sapphire]

well not really, so i just play single on use trinket

macro bomb to everything

and forget it exists

[half dawn]

yeah same

i have bombs and 447 nelf call

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor went back in and got rank 40 lmao

[woeful meteor]

what is that rng

[half dawn]

but yeah i cant imagine using beacon on assa

outlaw maybe

beacon and bombs i mean&

[clever sapphire]

assa im fine with class trinket and bomb

[half dawn]

yep

btw fuck ulduman

[clever sapphire]

snake boss?

[half dawn]

cant wait for this bs dungeon to go

ofc snake boss

[clever sapphire]

[timber meadow]

lmao i either get like 7% or 40+ sophic

[clever sapphire]

dont you haev an evoker

[half dawn]

yeah we had one

i dont think he did 1 dispel on me

[clever sapphire]

get another one

[balmy condor]

parsing is fun

[half dawn]

💀

wait no

he did 2 dispels

but he only dispelled himself

👍

[strange python]

I cant believe how fluent this spec is.

[balmy condor]

what language is it fluent in

[runic hinge]

Love

[strange python]

^

[timber meadow]

does doing the mega dungeon give mythic crests?

[clever sapphire]

yep

5 for each boss

[timber meadow]

and you can only do it once/week?

er like can only loot it once/week

[clever sapphire]

yap

every boss once a week

its still good tho

[timber meadow]

are there any tanks that have a spec that can loot nick of time?

[runic hinge]

Only sub and assa can use agi daggers

So you’re better off trying to stack some rogues who have it to pass to you

[timber meadow]

okay cool yeah just wasn't sure if any other specs could

[dull osprey]

For M+, is there a limit to the number of ruptures I want to maintain? I feel like I’m doing something wrong and I’m mostly just tab targeting keeping garrote, rupture, and CT up on multitarget and any time one of those don’t need refreshing, I’m hitting env

[timber meadow]

pretty sure thats litearlly all you do

just make sure when you have carnage up that, within reason, you're always getting empowered garrotes up

[clever sapphire]

put up enough so you dont have energy problems (3-4)

now put up CT

after that spam envenom or CT

up to you

[dull osprey]

So past around 3-5 ruptures its not a “waste” but maybe more throughput to just pump envenomes?

[idle inlet]

Is it hard to sim a custom time frame

[clever sapphire]

as soon as you have more energy than you can spend its gonna be a waste yes

spreading garrote is always worth

spreading rupture one by one at some point is a waste at that point

[dull osprey]

Ahhhhh. Maybe thats where I’m going wrong. Bro I’m a tab targeting fiend. Trying to maintain all bleeds on all targets, even 4+

[somber sparrow]

I do think the game has gotten tab-friendlier, fortunately. like when something is casting an interruptable spell and you hit tab, it's usually the one casting that it tabs to. Or when tabbing on an opener it tries to tab to someone that doesn't have bleeds yet

[clever sapphire]

well ye, your aoe is not about the bleeds if they run out from ic

your aoe without ic is about having enough energy to spam envenom/ct

[dull osprey]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Smash. Thanks

[gentle burrow]

I have a super important question

Who would win in a fight

Gogeta or vegito

[timber meadow]

does anyone have a way that i can put some sorta string or somethin into top gear

to pretend that i have a crafted piece

i dont want to do gear compare becuase the overall sim is a lot more restricted in terms of combos and stuff from other pieces

[soft shale]

you can find s2 crafted gear in tc research channel

look at the pins

[timber meadow]

ill check the pins

thx

[silent gale]

Hey everyone, sorry for asking, but I'm trying to learn Assassination through logs and videos, but when I look through logs I sometimes see people going over 20 seconds without casting Garrote again, why is this?

For example this person https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KCJH7kYMaFhXArjN#fight=37&type=casts&source=116&view=events

Do we not want 100% uptime?

[balmy condor]

it is 100% uptime

that shiv at 16 is 23.4 seconds long, he lets it drop completely because it's empowered, and then puts up a normal garrote right after

[timber meadow]

is there anything else worth getting in mega or can i just dip after timeways

[balmy condor]

if "worth" means best in slot

then nah

just the dagger

the trinkets aren't bad

mirror and the hourglass

[timber meadow]

ye i got call and bomb so good on trinkets till i get beacon

im just behind on vault pieces / sockets and missing mythic reclears on rogue so sme ilevel and beacon

[balmy condor]

yeh then just dagger

[timber meadow]

one thing i hate about whats gonnna happen this tier is outlaw is gonna be sick for like 2-3 weeks and then assa/sub gonna be better but im gonna have geared for outlaw

cause outlaw will get nerfed week after week

maybe i just say fuck it and go assa/sub from the jump and bank on it

[timber meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vyqtocCbeodzNvAgrkEnCn if anyone likes fuckin around with sims - lemme know if you can find a way to eek out some more dmg from my char/gear... im coo to recraft shit however

[balmy condor]

looks like you already did that

[timber meadow]

yeah ive tried doin it all ye

think i have the best possible setup i can have with what i got right now

with more sockets i can recraft chest and wear tier helm maybe or recraft belt to 447 with socket

[fallen forge]

anyone know why my M Zskarn log is grey? I tried figuring out what I was doing so wrong but I can't see anything too out of the ordinary
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tzPcCXnGZ2T7KHDw#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=5
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/tzPcCXnGZ2T7KHDw/21-Mythic+The+Vigilant+Steward,+Zskarn+-+Kill+(5:48)/Justbarik/standard/overview

Granted it was a prog fight but I didn't think kill times would matter that much

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean the kill time is terrible and you’re undergeared

Oh and your sophic/class trinket procced terribly on top of it

It adds up

[fallen forge]

ye i figured that would bring me down to like green at the worst but i didnt expect it to be that impactful damn

also ty for this

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[keen spruce]

I mean this late in the tier at that item level, your getting compared against everyone reclearing and better prog kills

like this was a 77 back in jul

but would probably be green now

[half dawn]

can anyone help me out to make sense of this log

I had another Assa in my raid, and I can't figure out how he did more dmg than me on this pull

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/PJwAGcqMX8p93xnC/self#fight=5,5&source=2,41&type=damage-done

(just normal mode to logs / practice)

For example, his initial burst on pull is 350k, mine only reaches 250k - and since i'm stupid I can't figure out whether this is proc related or if my opener was wrong

[keen spruce]

well

you guys did basically the exact same damage

he had 29% sophic uptime and it procced in his opener and you had 16%

his call to suffering also proc'd in his opener

he's using a crit phial

you're using vers

and he's using

which helps his opener damage significantly

[half dawn]

ah

what about stats / etc. He is gemming differently to me (and has higher ilvl on most pieces but w.e on that)

[keen spruce]

stats don't matter unless you're stacking vers

vers isn't great

but any mix of crit/mast then haste

[earnest remnant]

a good majority of players think way to much about stats, and what is optimal stats when in reality it never really matters

[keen spruce]

and also like

you guys did the same damage

like the 500 dps differece is like... critting 5 mutilates

or something

[half dawn]

yeah i know it was close

did you see any misplays in my log i can fix?

[keen spruce]

not really, you missed a shiv on your second sepsis but that's the only thing that really jumped out at me

and on a 3m fight you could move your vanish earlier to extend your improved garrote after your first sepsis, then delay your 3rd sepsis a bit to cover your last deathmark

but you'd have to know the fight is gonna be 3 minutes

[half dawn]

thanks , yeah i wasn't sure whether to vanish early (i didnt think the fight was gonna be this long)

imagine joining this 22 UR pug:
bear tank = not talented into sleep
resto shammy = not talented into hex
retri = not talented into repentance
Aug evoker = not talented/not using dream

💀

[tame rampart]

hi guys just since im new to assa, do we wanna ideally use garrote when we have the sepsis buff?

[keen spruce]

you only consume sepsis buff with garrote yes

[tame rampart]

thanks

[latent copper]

hey, can anyone explane me, how to handle Sepsis? i press sepsis, than Shiv, than Garrate and than i wait till it ends and then i use again garrote, right? My Lusthos Rogue WA dont show me the Stealth Buff from Sepsis. Anyone an idea how to improve my Lusthos WA?

[quiet oar]

#assassination-faq message

Whisp has a detailed usage in FAQ

[half dawn]

use this weakaura for sepsis https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

the blue also shows how much time remaining to use garrote

damn fury warriors are pumping rn. just got BTFO'd by one

[plucky canopy]

there is no way you could play healing reduce as sin on sarka right? is sub able to without loosing very much?

[earnest remnant]

sub looses very slight dmg

but yeah dont do it as assa

but anti heal should never be needed

[plucky canopy]

yea, was just thinking about it for hc boosts if you don´t have any other source for it

[earnest remnant]

look at a sub log

then remove half of instant poison

thats the dmg difference

[spice surge]

Fwiw it takes a very long time to stack up the healing reduction, its not gonna do much

Its 30% per hit, so assuming you dont BP its gonna take you ~9 casts of shuriken to stack it on average, aka 18 globals

[zealous oracle]

stupid question but i cant seem to find out which poisons i should be using is it deadly poison/amplify ?

trying out assassination for first time

[slate crown]

Yes, deadly and amp

And crip + numb/atro whichever you have

[zealous oracle]

o.o

didnt know we can have 4 lmfao

[slate crown]

The capstone talent Dragon Tempered Blades is why

If you just copied talents from the faq or wowhead they take DTB

[timber meadow]

on what fights is sub better than assasin?

[minor aurora]

does atrophic poison stack with devotion aura

[balmy condor]

Atrophic poison is a debuff on a target that reduces damage done, devotion aura is a buff on a player that reduces damage taken, they don’t do anywhere close to the same thing, so yes, they stack

[minor aurora]

okay had a friend say they didnt so just wasnt sure, i dont play paladin at all lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s a common thing for people to read 3% and 3% and they’re both raid defensives so must be the same thing

No clue why

But people just brain off

[minor aurora]

yeah makes sense!, thank you! i wished i had the same ability as others to pick a class and stick to it for life lol but ive been main hopping ever since i started playing wow back in nyalotha lol

[balmy condor]

Unfortunate tbh

I wish I could enjoy other classes

I don’t even enjoy all 3 rogue specs

[minor aurora]

i love rogue, but i typically do a what does my raid need and stick with that lol

oh me neither i only like sin rogue

[runic hinge]

yellow name

[minor aurora]

whats wrong with yellow name 😦

oh outlaw

is that a permissions thing

[lament aurora]

no he's just specsist

[grim jay]

actually

he meant it as in you have the outlaw yellow

but only play sin, which is red

so its contradicting kinda, since people usually have the one that represents their main spec

[runic hinge]

you reacted to the welcome message with outlaw as well as assa but I'm just messing with you

[minor aurora]

ahh okay!, yeah haha i want to main sin rogue, its my favorite for sure!

[runic hinge]

Same!

[minor aurora]

i do also enjoy being able to maintain slice and dice with ease lol

[eager solstice]

Where can we see the suggested talents for ptr?

[spice surge]

#tww-assassination pins

[half dawn]

almost did more ovr than firemage in this +21 FH xd

[keen spruce]

1% wipe on rashok reclear

[noble ridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

tank died on the next pull

at 12%

[quiet oar]

Can you pls give us procs too

Dont hoard them for yourself

[rugged wadi]

Any suggested opener for highest burst?

[half dawn]

feels bad man 😦

I have PTSD from Rashok prog

[half dawn]

there are no "burst" openers unless you use a trinket like beacon and crit lol

[keen spruce]

you can play kingsbane

if your fight is under like

35s

[storm forum]

Play KB, nelth's and beacon. Beacon on pull and then vanish into standard opener with kb. Intentionally wipe the raid until nelth's procs on your opener.

Also kidnap your priest's family or find some other form of leverage so you can force them to PI you.

Do the same for an augvoker.

[pure moth]

Damn

[pure moth]

Just looked at my sark kill 40% sophic

[frozen niche]

looking into getting my rogue geared up for seaosn 3 and the sin rework, how bad is sin in m+ right now?

[lucid rune]

Anyone bummed we don’t need ambush on our bars for blindside?

(Next patch)

[balmy condor]

yes

[lucid rune]

Me too!

Doesn’t feel quite as fun

I like fun glowy buttons to press

[timber meadow]

iono doesn't seem like it makes any real difference outside some like giga minor scenarios

lifes too short to sweat the small stuff

[runic hinge]

You’re not pushing title but you can do 20’s just fine

[frozen niche]

im starting from 400 ilvl so i gotta do low keys to get crests and gear still, do you reccomend still going sin if thats what i wanna play or go outlaw or sub until i get a little higher?

little hgiher in keys*

[runic hinge]

I think sin feels bad until like 18’s tbh

Then stuff lives long enough and you have ic for most packs

[frozen niche]

okay thank you! thats what i was figuring i needed too do

[half dawn]

lol i can't believe this happened

100 log (yeah its only +22 M+ but w/e)

[balmy condor]

What does key% even measure

M+ parsing has always been such a mess

[quiet oar]

Key% is in comparison to other players on that key lvl

[balmy condor]

In terms of damage?

[quiet oar]

Ye

[balmy condor]

Cause the overall parse% isn’t for damage right

[quiet oar]

Yes

Overall is points

Like rio

[balmy condor]

It’s just key level completion or something

Points

I see

Pog

[quiet oar]

Overall is useless

[clever sapphire]

Let the man be happy

Dont take his happy points of the day away

[half dawn]

xd

im deleting my rogue now thanks

there are only 29 parses for 22 HOI assa so hardly an achievement but feels good

[quiet oar]

Wdym the key% is good

Like He did the Most dmg as sin in a 22 hoi

[pure moth]

I was attempting keys the other day and the leader was picking people based off key logs %... 2 keys failed lol

[limber lion]

Nice full simp squad

[half dawn]

lol true tbh

full simp would be with a brewmaster as well

or warrior

im stealing the simp squad thing btw

[clever sapphire]

monk heal, warrior tank

[half dawn]

oh yeah I forgot MW existed

[gusty mirage]

Could be us but you’re in Europe

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi !

[dark token]

how do people like this exist

[median flicker]

casual player base 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

we passed my drivers exam oxi!!!

[gusty mirage]

Of course you did

^ you

[brazen zodiac]

me last night for some sweet 3 am mcdonalds

nothing like a box of chicken nuggets and tangy bbq to fix a broken heart

[dark token]

lol 3 boss mythic pugs

assa kinda cranks

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[grim jay]

everyone has that fear

deep down

[grim jay]

you dont even have the trinkets iirc right? 😄

[sweet dawn]

If I have killed mythic zskarn but do a 3 boss reclear for the vault, can I get mythic bomb dispenser? or is it only loot from the bosses I killed to get the vault

[slate crown]

The former. The items available to your vault are based on the bosses cleared, on that difficulty, that you’ve ever killed, not just this week

So, yes, after having killed mythic zskarn once, doing a first 3 boss run for vault can drop bomb dispenser

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-rabbit-dance-bunny-vibe-twitch-gif-25518131

Yippeeee

[slate crown]

Oh no I gave you hope for the vault

[shrewd helm]

Is there any fights on mythic where you would prefer to use beacon over OCE? I just got OCE and after running sims OCE comes out ahead but the burst from beacon can be nice in some situations I feel.

[dark token]

beacon/zskarn

[sweet dawn]

If you wanna parse then pray for beacon procs and take it to every fight

[grim jay]

beacon cant proc

[sweet dawn]

I meant crit

my b

[clever sapphire]

yo imagine if bacon was a proc

and you could get like 3 procs in a minute

"why is my log so bad"
log reviewer: "well the top rogue logs procced beacon like 20 times, you did 5"

[half dawn]

Still happens with Nelf tricket kekw

[pseudo nimbus]

are there any specific tips for sarkareth mythic as sin?

[gusty mirage]

dot up big add, outside of that it's just a ST fight

vanish to extend imp garrote in p1

I'm prolly missing something

[pseudo nimbus]

ty, and the vanish is after the second garrote from sepsis expires?

[gusty mirage]

ya you can vanish refresh anytime in pandemic, or let it expire and then gar -> finish -> gar

[half dawn]

when min maxing dps, is it better to hold shiv for garrote refresh or just send anytime you have all your dots up?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

You technically want to avoid rupturing during shiv

But even then it’s kinda whatever

[timber meadow]

why

[balmy condor]

Because you could’ve used those combo points on envenom?

[timber meadow]

oh ye k nm

[strange python]

Do people go stealth into ambush then garrote?

I don’t use ambush

[slate crown]

Open with garrote #assassination-faq message

[clever sapphire]

you only use ambush with blindside procs

[balmy condor]

for now

[clever sapphire]

well it do be the normal channel and not ptr channel

[balmy condor]

for now

[clever sapphire]

whispyr what do i do, it seems we wiping cause adds not dying fast enough in p3 echo

[balmy condor]

yell at your raid to do more damage

[clever sapphire]

good tip

gonna try it

if we make it there again

or is it time for me to go IC

[timber meadow]

better off just goping sub at that point i imagine

[clever sapphire]

im gonna go IC before i go sub

[timber meadow]

xD

[clever sapphire]

(im not going ic btw, im not that cursed)

[half dawn]

IC is pog

I've changed my mind totally and I love IC now

[clever sapphire]

phew good thing its getting changed now that your mind is changed

btw question to anyone who killed echo, lets assume we have more than 5 adds alive at boss. Is it better to full ST or fan of knives for points

[balmy condor]

if you're just going for boss damage, mutilate, but typically if you have 6 or so mobs you can fok -> env to help with some poison bomb damage and it's not bad

[clever sapphire]

aight thats what i was doin

good to know

man i hate this boss

[cobalt hemlock]

im progging sark and i miss echo way easier at least for melle

[clever sapphire]

im sure we wont prog sark

after this boss probably done

[cobalt hemlock]

hmm weird to be that close and give up but idk your guild

guess depending how much they nerf him

[clever sapphire]

probably around 2 weeks, and we have been progging echo for 3 or 4 already

so probably wouldnt kill it before patch anyways

[balmy condor]

sark still takes more pulls than echo

if they kill and start sark next week

they aren't gonna make it

[clever sapphire]

yap exactly thats the thought

[cobalt hemlock]

guess we are on sark for while yeah

[keen spruce]

we have like 7 trials in for this reclear

and my ego is suffering

on these parses

[cobalt hemlock]

new rogue coming soon doesnt matter

or how big of a gameplay change is the new rogue i would imagine preety big

[clever sapphire]

you dont track blindside now

biggest change

[cobalt hemlock]

well i know that i watch all @balmy condor s vids its nice to have a rogue man guy on youtube

[clever sapphire]

watched him live as he experienced it for the first time

he was so sad

[cobalt hemlock]

i might have been there too and then subbed to cheer him up

[balmy condor]

hate my life

[clever sapphire]

i loved how happy you were when you got the first case of wanting to press muti but got a blindside, and you were like "ha i knew tihs was a bad change"

[cobalt hemlock]

looks like it didnt work unlucky

[half dawn]

I dont understand

how you get to the point of doing 22 keys (which isnt even high)

and you refuse to use your basic cc

i swear its always paladins / warlocks

[earnest remnant]

Wait until you find out it happens in +28s aswell

[kind turtle]

Shiv before or after Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t particularly matter

In 10.2 you’d want to shiv after

So I guess get used to that

[thick owl]

Hey guys, i'm trying out rogue this tier, and wanted to know which spec to go into for M+/raid?

[balmy condor]

depends what "this tier" means, 10.1 it's sub, 10.2 we have no idea

[thick owl]

yeah 10.1

Thanks!

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26024664

[slim estuary]

Hey. I have a question about cd management.

Sepsis is 1.5
Desthmark is 2
Vanish is 2

Should I be using sepsis and desthmark in opener, then using sepsis on cd, and holding vanish for the next desthmark cd?

Sepsis>desthmark>1.5min>sepsis>.5min>vanish>desthmark>1min>sepsis>1min>vanish>desthmark>etc

[slate crown]

#assassination-faq message Check out the last block in this message

[slate crown]

^ the faq link has an example on how to line these up right now, but essentially you use Sepsis / DM on pull, and hold vanish, then just use both on CD, the imp garrote from your second sepsis carries into your second DM, which you extend with your first vanish

The third DM will have no imp garrote at the start if you use it on CD, you should delay this DM until vanish is ready if it won't cause you to lose a DM cast in the fight

[gusty breach]

jajaj

[slim estuary]

Should I bother getting crafted gear? New patch soon, will crafted gear be worth it?

[austere snow]

I mean you might use the items that you start the patch with for 1-2 weeks

I believe it's extremely important to be as strong as possible week 1 and forward

Espeeecially if you are in a serious guild and there is wrestling for loot...

[austere snow]

Someone out there still does not have 2x bis trinkets after 6 months of patch, as crazy as it may sound xD

[willow kite]

Do you want your character to be raid ready when 10.2 hits or be an anchor?

Base crafted gear is 424 and requires no crests

Gearing is really fast with crafted gear, m+ spam and catalyst for tier

I'd say go for it, but I also enjoy playing my character - not much else to do prior to patch in the game

[slim estuary]

I only came back little over 4 weeks ago now, I am 438 with the feet bracer combo and just got the dagger. Wondering if it's worth grinding crests to have the rest of the crafted gear so that, yes I am raid ready, but also then I can recraft them for next tier. Or is it likely you will bin them

[willow kite]

Well, for every other piece you'd be getting it for the ilvl purely, and as of now no one knows what embellishments we'll aim for when all the tuning is done.

So, I dunno - you'd be doing mythics for an extra 7-8 ilvls - might make the start of the new patch a bit easier, but whether it's 'worth it' is impossible to answer

[gusty mirage]

If you’re going to craft anything, make rings. The rings come with sockets and sockets on rings are worth extra ilvl. You’ll likely not replace them for a while next tier as well

[drifting cloud]

rings are dirt cheap to craft but you will replace them with the first thing you loot in like a 15+ keys unless its super high vers

because of the higher ilvl jump between tiers

[grim jay]

Maybe they'll make M+ way harder before release and we aint seeing 15s fast

One Ring with agi socket aint bad for some time

All depends on loot luck and how deep one is into grinding tho

[austere snow]

If your competition has 446+ ilvl, bis trinkets, have kept the raiding habit in the end of season, done ptr testing... are you really raid ready?

So you should definitely craft items, there is literally 0 argument against it.

[novel arrow]

Anyone know when the season ends?

[gusty mirage]

should end nov 13/14 depending on your region

[novel arrow]

@gusty mirage Isn't that when the new season starts? If season 3 is launching Nov 14. I assume it might end 1 week earlier?

Or does the old season end the day before these days?

I dont know how wows doing it

[gusty mirage]

regarding titles and stuff, I believe the cut off is a few days before the new season

but in terms of achievements such as cutting edge, you have until the day the new season drops

[thorn fjord]

Thought it was when the raid opens

Don’t you get a week buffer?

[drifting cloud]

CE is usually same day of patch but I think m+ and pvp might be a week earlier

actually nvm CE is what dieslow said

its just the m+ and pvp that have the "dead week"

[gusty mirage]

right I forgot about the week of nothing

[runic hinge]

The week of nothing where I have my vacation

Luckily I’m off Tuesday as well but I was really hoping it wouldn’t end up like this

[royal lantern]

perfect time to catch a flu while on vacation to get another free week

[thorn fjord]

Flu?

Naah thats Covid baby

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I wish. They know my gf is the one actually on vacation and I’m just staying home to watch the bird.

We work at the same place

[fickle zinc]

Is it a bug that my leeching posion buff disappears after each loading screen and I have to reaply it?

[spice surge]

yes

[fickle zinc]

Is it common? Any way to solve it?

[balmy condor]

Reapply your poisons

[dark token]

how do you guys use tea in execute range

i literally never have enough energy to not waste it

nonstop blindside procs

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/R5_enkAe5 If you want a reminder aura for when to reapply

[keen spruce]

how inconsistent is this bug? i don't think i've ever noticed it

[earnest remnant]

every time you zone in

[slate crown]

It seems very consistent to me

[earnest remnant]

like entering a raid/dungeon

[slate crown]

Also does not appear fixed on the PTR, at least last time I left the dummy area and zoned somewhere it happend a couple weeks ago

[keen spruce]

ig i just always put poisons on before pull

[strange python]

How are people using Sepsis on Sark for best usage ? Like with holding when ect

[thorn fjord]

On pull then hold till coming up out of p2.. hold at the end of p2 then use on cd in p3 is what i was doing

Can pair vanish in p1 and p2 at the end of the second imp garrote from sepsis

[keen viper]

!talnet

!talent

[strange python]

Okay I held 1 in phase 3 cuz we go down but I guess on cd is fine now on rekills

[spice spire]

#assassination-faq

[thorn fjord]

We go down again in p3... End up having to hold for maybe another 15-20 sec then it all lines up again before kill

[strange python]

ahh okay I*ll try for next rekill

[dark token]

why cant i catalyst sark cloak

[rugged wadi]

anyonehere with good experience in reading logs and tell me what i'm missing?

[balmy condor]

have you tried wowanalyzer

[rugged wadi]

yea but still my damage is low also, Kingsbane what is this spell? why can i not find it anywhere

[keen breach]

Hey guys, i'm new here, someone can tell me, where can i post my mythic's video ?, looking for opinions on my game :€

[balmy condor]

link the wowanalyzer, kingsbane is a choice node with dragon tempered right now

[balmy condor]

we don't have somewhere to do that

[rugged wadi]

dragon tenpered?

[balmy condor]

the capstone?

[rugged wadi]

ohhhh

thats where it is

[dawn jolt]

noob question but is there an addon or macro you can use to apply 4 poisons with just 1 click

[sweet dawn]

Nah because you have to put them on one at a time

[shy pecan]

Yeah, you could put them all into a macro with a castsequence, but still would have to click it four times

Pretty much the same as if you were to use the flyout

[dawn jolt]

is there any chance next patch will come with something like a poison loadout

[shy pecan]

There was no mention of it in any of the changes leading up to today

I wouldn’t count on it. Most of the other classes that use weapon enchants like that also have to do it one by one

[crude anvil]

Im new to assassination, could someone please tell me if there are any important buffs I should be using a weakaura to track?

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thorn fjord]

Could get @gaunt moat sepsis wa also I’d search that on wago

[lost egret]

Hi all, I thinking about maining assa next patch since i hear so much good things about the rework. Is the rework really that good and will it be viable in both raid and m+ ?

[balmy condor]

depends entirely on the tuning

rework is good though

[austere snow]

Depends what "viable" means to you, my take is that since only 4 bosses out of 9 ( we don't know fyrakk yet ) are pure ST, unless the tunning is good for cleave and aoe we might not be as good.

Assa is top5 rn because aberrus is mostly ST raid, now that people can zerg assault on M it's unironically a ST raid mostly kekw.

[molten galleon]

I have 4 sparks spare and wanna craft some assa gear, Is there an more ez way to get the perfect stats than using gear compare and insert all different versions I wanna test? I know that Crit / Mastery is default but I got alot of crit and 0 haste, so haste might be better. And i want to sim all 4 items and with either Cirt/Mastery / Crist/Haste / Haste/Mastery Or can I "cheat" The itmes into my simmstring ? so i can do a Topgear sim instead ?

[scarlet orbit]

you can top gear sim crafted items in the #tc-research message can you take the string for it

just copy paste the whole stuff under your normal simc input in topgear

[molten galleon]

@scarlet orbit THANKS WILL LOOK INTO IT

[scarlet orbit]

dont forget to put embelishments and sockets on the items you sim

[molten galleon]

sure thing

[terse otter]

Yo guys, comming back after some break and wanted to ask how is assa in 10.2? Is it still overcomplicated?

Asking about keys

[rotund oak]

assa in general is on a way better state,everywhere

that involves keys

as well

[onyx crane]

but is it bloated?

[woeful meteor]

what is overcomplicated about Sin in M+?

[subtle tundra]

if anything assa was too simple in m+

[woeful meteor]

^^

[vestal wren]

the one you referenced is for s3 (10.2) tho, so always make sure you use the correct one. There is a list for s2 pinned too

[shrewd helm]

It never was bloated

[scarlet orbit]

yea forgot its already a new out there

[silent gale]

Sorry if this information is posted somewhere else, but could someone explain to me how Echo of Reprimand works?

I understand that I get these Anima charges that land either on 2, 3, or 4, and that if my combo points land on either one of them, the finishing move will act as if it is a 7 or max point combo finisher. Is this basically like a energy saver?

Second, I get multiple "buffs" of it some times, in that I will get 2, 3, and 4. Is there a difference? Are these charges or something that get consumed? Is this RNG or is there some way to get certain Anima charges?

Last, sometimes this "buff" lasts a long time, say 30 seconds, and sometimes it doesn't. It's as if they were charges or something and they get consumed, but sometimes they don't, how does it work?

[spice surge]

It always lasts 45 seconds or until you use it

[silent gale]

How do you "use" it? Are there charges on it that I'm not seeing?

[spice surge]

You use a finisher on the combo point thats empowered

[silent gale]

Oh I see now thank you

So they can only be used one time

[spice surge]

With resounding clarity you always get 2, 3 and 4 empowered

Yes, only one time

[silent gale]

Weird, I swear I was landing on some Anima charges and able to use it multiple times

With all cooldowns, Sepsis and Deathmark

[quiet oar]

Was it for Slice and dice?

[silent gale]

No it was Envenom, sorry I will pay attention more carefully I guess

[quiet oar]

Because SnD doesnt consume RC

[silent gale]

We only apply SnD in the opener after Emp Garrote, so I hope I wasn't trying to refresh SnD

[quiet oar]

Just as information if you play another spec with it

[silent gale]

Oh ok, thank you for the reminder

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

i haven't seen a mythic vault in 84 years

[gusty mirage]

grats

ironic the cloak that sark drops is absolutely dogshit on sark

[keen spruce]

ilvl number go up

i started runnin sark cloak after the nerfs

[gusty mirage]

we need the extra crit for the p1->p2 transition

[keen spruce]

yeah it synergyzes with that class trinket proc right as you go downstairs

[pure moth]

That's my favorite thing about the trinket...

[gusty mirage]

love seeing the pulsing effect of the cloak & the little aberration dude on my back

while I'm sitting there waiting to go down

SO much value

[slate crown]

Squidman giving you a back massage

[hollow imp]

any rogue gamers fancy helping me loot the dagger from dawn? 😄

[earnest remnant]

had it proc just as i came up from 1st intermission this week

usually its while we are down

so that was weird af

[glossy imp]

guys I just pulled beacon from vault and am gonna be using it in ST. In the opener, do we still use it before sepsis and dm?

[keen spruce]

just send it after your first rupture iirc

timing isn't that super important

[glossy imp]

kk

[little moth]

Do y’all ever play kingsbane for the extra burst on Zerg strat fight like assault?

[balmy condor]

If you’re killing the boss in under 40 seconds, yes

[thorn fjord]

Round 4?

[balmy condor]

Soon

[little moth]

I didn’t realize that’s how quick kingsbane looses value

[timber meadow]

does it mattrer if i go outlaw or assasin in terms of getting nick of time in my vault?

[slate crown]

Can Dawn gear come from vault? I was under the impression dawn gear wasn't raid or M+ gear so it wasn't eligible for coming out of the vault, but I may be wrong

(Until next season)

[timber meadow]

oh okay, i have no idea

i just assumed it could

[balmy condor]

Nick of time can’t be in your vault cause it’s not from m+, and if it could it’s a dagger and outlaw doesn’t have daggers on their loot table so you’re double fucked

[astral flicker]

Hey I'm flipping my rogue from horde to ally, mostly do keys on it low 20's range, any opinions on dwarf vs nelf?

[balmy condor]

Nelf does flips and that’s sick as hell

[slate crown]

Yeah but void elves do twirls and that's also sick as hell

[astral flicker]

definately noted, was thinking on smeld for carnage applications vs stoneform for living

[balmy condor]

Not really important or relevant for the keys you’re doing

[astral flicker]

not really since it's an alt but is either going to pull ahead if I try and actually catch it up to where my main is in the 25-27 range since I'm being yelled at for taking my main to rat/vault keys for alts?

[balmy condor]

No

[astral flicker]

I looked at carnage lasting 10s and probably won't need too many reapplications of that, and if aug somehow gets nerfed out of the meta that means bleed dispels are a premium making dwarf solid choice, but the smeld has just been strong forever

[balmy condor]

It’s really whatever

[astral flicker]

Alright cool will flip a coin then I guess

[serene fossil]

Whispyr i watched like all ur sin videos and i loved them, made me want to actually try it, keep up the amazing work

[balmy condor]

Thank you :)

[slate crown]

I've been thinking about your cooldown management video, and I've been wondering about trying to map out cooldowns, do you find any success in using some form of a Time to Die tracker, or even a Time-to-Execute (for zoldyck)? Like if you are able to afford holding a CD until 35% because you won't lose a cast if you do, or are timers like that too unreliable?

[runic hinge]

The only reason to pick a race

[slate crown]

I made one back in legion I was pretty happy with but it went into the bin with all my other legion stuff

[balmy condor]

Time to die trackers are useful in very very specific situations but typically if you’re planning your cooldowns out you know when things are happening so it’s kinda whatever

Like on rashok prog you knew that the enrage happened shortly after 6 min cds

[little moth]

how good is the trinket from the mega dungeon i dont see it listed in the wowhead guide

[keen spruce]

you will normally have a pretty good idea of when the boss is going to die on a prog kill

time wise

[balmy condor]

Mirror is meh, hourglass is worse

[keen spruce]

and often the mechanics on that boss will indicate timings for when you're gonna use CDs

[slate crown]

Makes sense, so sort of a "If you're pulling this boss hundreds of times the mechanics and optimal timings will reveal themselves without a timer"

[keen spruce]

yeah and even before you get the pulls in some better guilds will ahve killed it

so you know when the enrage is and when important stuff is happening

you'll have a decent idea of when you're gonna be using stuff going into it then it's just about working out the details

[slate crown]

fair enough, thanks

[keen spruce]

or just wait until 50 people ask in here about when to use stuff on a certain boss

[storm forum]

thats what I do

[balmy condor]

It’s less so knowing the time and more so just being cognizant and actually sitting down and planning it

[thorn fjord]

Orange parses tonight

Surely

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

Pray for no mechanics

[balmy condor]

I just want zskarn man

My 95 average

Despair

[thorn fjord]

Dagger dif

[leaden sundial]

How do I do more than 130k single target dmg ???

[storm forum]

get more/better timed trinket/enchant procs

[leaden sundial]

does it mean ... to be lucky ?

I am starting to hate that trinket

if it procs on pull then good, if it doesn't then ...

okay. this trinket is weird

it didn;t proc for over half of the fight

[thorn fjord]

We're gamba boiz

[storm forum]

I do mean be lucky

[thorn fjord]

Didnt you get the memo?

[leaden sundial]

sadge ...

[storm forum]

like, definitely play well, but if wowanalyzer says you're good and you can't see anything wrong in your logs, then you just gotta get that juicy 50% uptime pull

[leaden sundial]

yeah. wowanalyzer in my good logs says ... GJ

What are external sources to add my dmg log

enhancement windfury, PI, was there something else ?

[balmy condor]

Nope

That’s it

Well, aside from raid buffs

Warrior/monk/demon hunter

[leaden sundial]

Thanks a lot 😄

[storm forum]

there's hpal's CDR blessing

[leaden sundial]

MORE BUFFS

...

[balmy condor]

@brazen zodiac @gusty mirage @winged veldt @thorn fjord @gilded oasis Roll call

Role?

Role call

I’ll go with that one

[slate crown]

still need one?

[balmy condor]

Yeh I’m putting rice on the stove so it’s no rush

[brazen zodiac]

in a league game. can come after!

[balmy condor]

Neat

[thorn fjord]

Im good to go

[gilded oasis]

Outta state still but this will be the week you get it

[thorn fjord]

In game... if oxi hops on have him invite me

[balmy condor]

Waiting on inmems league game

[brazen zodiac]

it might be another 10-15 minutes so if you have someone else willing then feel free to go!

[thorn fjord]

I'll go have a smoke while we wait

Im not in any hurry

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor this is the week surely

we both gettin daggies

[balmy condor]

surely

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

Shirley

[balmy condor]

@thorn fjord @slate crown @brazen zodiac under custom

[thorn fjord]

Finishing up Smokey smoke

Rip and now my boss needs to go over some stuff

[spice spire]

Get outta my state

[thorn fjord]

kk ready

[balmy condor]

group is still up

inmem still in league

[thorn fjord]

just shoot me a whisper

backdoorpush-hyjal

i cant find the group lol

[balmy condor]

smh

all of us are ally

[thorn fjord]

Oh fuck

LOL

I'll keep refreshing

[balmy condor]

under custom yeh?

[thorn fjord]

yep

[balmy condor]

weird

[brazen zodiac]

okie omw.

[balmy condor]

inmems horde

it'll be fine

[gilded oasis]

No!!!

[balmy condor]

love this cross realm stuff working perfectly as intended

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

now that i have my license

i'm coming for you! C:<

[thorn fjord]

You should be able to search the group name in custom

[runic hinge]

Oh you passed! Yay! Congrats. We knew you could do it

[thorn fjord]

this is silly

[brazen zodiac]

yes!! thank you <3

[balmy condor]

I'll relist in raid

[gilded oasis]

You did it! Grats!

[brazen zodiac]

ty c:

[gilded oasis]

Yeah I couldn't find it last week you ended up just inviting me eventually

[balmy condor]

yeh but he's horde

so I can't do that

cause while we can do the dungeon together

[spice spire]

It’s a long drive big dog

[gilded oasis]

Me too

[balmy condor]

I can't actually invite him

[brazen zodiac]

c:<

[balmy condor]

yeh but last week we had a horde in the group that /inv'd you

[spice spire]

I’d mutually shuffle him in if I were on

[thorn fjord]

Found it

[gilded oasis]

Oh weird

Spahhget

[balmy condor]

works great

[brazen zodiac]

hm. for some reason, i can't find the group either.

[thorn fjord]

You're horde?

[balmy condor]

son of a bitch

[thorn fjord]

Send me your toon name i can suggest

[brazen zodiac]

badbttch

area52

[balmy condor]

WAHOO

@slate crown here we go

[brazen zodiac]

fingers crossed!

[thorn fjord]

IT WAS ME

[balmy condor]

@gilded oasis madlad did it

wait now I don't have an excuse for blue parsing zskarn anymore

[thorn fjord]

@gilded oasis you not being here was the good luck charm

[spice spire]

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME

[keen spruce]

i told u

[brazen zodiac]

xD

[thorn fjord]

damnit i just want to break 140k

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m3aeMPWaM3CG5x3iUymbes

Hope for a chest piece today

And a mythic dispenser SURELY

[gusty mirage]

why was I pinged in here

[thorn fjord]

We missed you

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi <3

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur day went well! c:

[runic hinge]

[gilded oasis]

Damn grats. Told you

[ember mural]

BIG

[potent forge]

Hey so beacon is simming more for me than fragment is. When am I using beacon? After DM window?

[balmy condor]

in opener after your rupture before your dm

and then on cooldown

[potent forge]

thanks whispyr :)

[thorn fjord]

Fragment sims are also busted

[potent forge]

Oh?

[spice spire]

Need beacon to fuck off

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it’s still over simming

[keen spruce]

fragment is ass

[potent forge]

Ahhhh okay, so still run beacon. Gonna be weird having a cast just mid opener but

[thorn fjord]

It’s quick usually

Just make sure to yell RNG lord right before casting

To make sure it crits

[potent forge]

my RL will really like that

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-anotha-one-dance-dancing-veeunus-gif-24649791

[clever niche]

on trinkets, I just got beacon. Where do we fit in the trinket cast in the sin rotation?

[runic hinge]

After rupture

[thorn fjord]

Read 4 lines above

[clever niche]

I'm a fool, see myself out

[thorn fjord]

But what Tony said after the first rupture on pull then on cd after

[clever niche]

feels so weird honestly

[slate crown]

is that an ascian blahaj

[earnest remnant]

blåhaj

[slate crown]

[clever niche]

love blahaj, have 2

and yes it is

[winged veldt]

Fucking congrats man! Sorry army working me like a dog as I try to retire lol!

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/action-drama-show-me-your-war-face-yelling-training-gif-3298937

[winged veldt]

Nah no one brave enough for that haha

[minor aurora]

this is going to probably sound like a dumb question but how does one, get out of the feeling of being addicted to hekili and having to have it up?

[balmy condor]

once you realize that following hekili is like a 25-30% damage loss you very quickly get over it

[winged veldt]

By understanding that addon is shit lol

[minor aurora]

i need to practice without it cause right now its what i use

[vivid seal]

hey guys someone earlier linked me a visual of the st rotation, couldnt find it in the pins

[winged veldt]

Delete that garbage immediately! Literally go read everything whispyr and others spent time making. Like guides and so on. Then go best on a dummy forever til you have it.

[minor aurora]

ill practice this weekend, i just cant remember stuff like i used to be able to

[balmy condor]

what visual?

all the visuals are in the faq

[winged veldt]

#assassination-faq

[vivid seal]

thanks

[thorn fjord]

Those are marines whispyr smh

[thorn fjord]

Hekilli works really well for UHDK and Ret Pali… sucks for rogue 🤷‍♂️

Worked well for frost mage too before rework

[winged veldt]

I saw the rogue version and assumed they all are hot garbage. Also if an add on rotation gets jacked due to mechanics I am sure it wouldn’t know where to pick up and cost you dps also right? But yea he was asking for rogue and that’s all I know so I gave my honest opinion about it being shit and delete it lol!

[tawdry flare]

Genuine question - I've only really given a ton of time to Outlaw as a Rogue spec. I've tried Sin a few times. Is it truly simple to play? (I know the term simple is hyperbole, but you may get my point.)

[gilded oasis]

Cursed

[keen spruce]

i mean outlaw is simple because press button when button lights up.

but assas is simple because slightly less apm

i wouldn't really say one is significantly easier than the other

[tawdry flare]

I was hoping it'd be less apm and still roughly simple.

[runic hinge]

Depends on if debuff upkeep is simple to you. Also piano key opener

[royal lantern]

different skillsets needed

outlaw is reactive gameplay

assa is juggeling dot timers and preparing/executing cd windows

cant just say 1 is harder

cus thats a 100% personal thing

[tawdry flare]

Yeah - I fully get it was a loaded question. In all honesty - my wrists are just tired of 75 APM XD

[royal lantern]

pro tip

when your wrists hurt

you should stop asap

[tawdry flare]

Stop playing? Yeye

[royal lantern]

cus thats really really close to permanent dmg at that point 🙂

[tawdry flare]

Trust - I do physical therapy because of previous injuries/surgeries. Me just love Rogue - me want to keep play rogue zugzug

[royal lantern]

all those "xddd its so fast my wrist hurt after some time but i love it!!!" comments hurt to read, cus those are people that dont seem to understand that they are actually permanently fuck their own body

[tawdry flare]

I do appreciate the advice tho

Idk - if people are hype on Sin this tier, I may just dive into the pool.

No harm in trying for a while. I have a monk and Paladin I can play if I hate Sin after 3-4 weeks.

Ret is actually

Thanks everyone

[keen spruce]

@agile osprey @pure moth

[agile osprey]

[pure moth]

I wont be right on at 830. Is 9 to late?

[keen spruce]

that's coo with me

[agile osprey]

oh

nine

[pure moth]

So in 30 mins

[pure moth]

waiting for update then ill be in

[distant fox]

Hey guys 👀

[balmy condor]

hello

[keen spruce]

@agile osprey

[agile osprey]

[pure moth]

congrats @keen spruce it happened. hes got a dagger

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor i told u this week surely both of us

[pure moth]

did he get one too?

[keen spruce]

ye

[pure moth]

awesome

[agile osprey]

Just in time to farm it agane

[pure moth]

haha yeah

[icy viper]

is nick of time sims accurate?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[icy viper]

ty

[keen spruce]

140k

[true lark]

anyone got a moment to make sure i get echoing reprimand? first time using it. so if i hit the combo point its randomly picked, i get a 7 point finishing move?

[keen spruce]

if you cast a finishing move on any of these CPs druing ER

it will count as a 7 point finisher

once you finish on one of those empowered CPs

it gets consumed

so like if i finished right then, i could still land on 7cp finishers if i used them on 3 or 4 cp

[agile osprey]

parried

dies

[keen spruce]

yeah or just get parried and have a 0pt finisher and lose the empowered cp anyways

[signal badger]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[signal badger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent forge]

hey friends, are posting logs acceptable here? I am trying to figure out why I am doing so badly and would love if someone could take a look at them?

[runic hinge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[runic hinge]

Try that first and if you need more help someone smarter than me will be here for you

[potent forge]

Unfortunately I did try and still cant get the information I would like

[keen spruce]

if you have any specific questions about analyzer or logs then you can ask them here yeah. we normally just point people to analyzer first because it covers all of the most important stuff that most people struggle with.

[potent forge]

Okay, if thats the case, on the chance im missing something glaringly obvious could someone take a look

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jH6TNhqdZ2mGKz4k#fight=last&type=damage-done

[keen spruce]

well right off the bat you're running bone spike

and not sepsis

and you have cheap enchants on your wepons

and you're using a vers phial instead of a corrupting rage

[potent forge]

Im showing sophic 3 on my weapons right now, is that correct?

[keen spruce]

you delayed your first echoing reprimand until 25s into the fight on kazzara, that should be used as early as possible. normally right before your first rupture or right after

oh maybe it was cheap runes

yeah your enchants are fine, the wep runes weren't tier 3

[potent forge]

oh duh those are r2, thank you didnt notice

[keen spruce]

then you had a handful of envenoms that were at low cp

which happens, just try to minimize it

[potent forge]

Okay, so one of the biggest things is phial and not playing sepsis?

[cerulean nest]

what % is windfury for us on live?

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean this is my difference between sepsis and bone spike

so roughly 2% right there

[potent forge]

oh man okay, yeah thats quite a bit

[keen spruce]

and try to make sure that ER isn't sitting on CD

should be high priority to slam it right when it comes off CD so you don't lose a cast

[potent forge]

okay gotcha

try to pair with shiv if it works out? or just dont even try to play around it

[keen spruce]

ER doesn't really care about shiv

but you should try to get 2 shivs into each deathmark

and normally sepsis->gar->shiv outside of dm

other than that just don't let shiv cap on charges

[potent forge]

okay so thats a couple things im messing up on, thank you so much for the help

gonna spend some time tinkering

[keen spruce]

and the rest is just going to come down to slightly low ilvl for this late in the tier

and not super fast kill times

[potent forge]

I just came back about 4 weeks ago so im still working on gearing

[keen spruce]

and you weren't super lucky with sophic procs, but nothing you can do about that lol

[potent forge]

But I hadnt really considered kill times

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean the season is almost over and there aren't THAT many assas rogues

so there's a lot of mythic reclears blasting thorugh those early bosses

clogging up the parse rankings

but yeah otherwise nothing super egregious at a glance

[potent forge]

thank you!

[strange python]

I hate sophic devotion.

[balmy condor]

Same

[rotund oak]

u hate everything

./vanish

[balmy condor]

Definitely understand how it seems that way when you ping me

Must be a coincidence

[rotund oak]

❤️

[quiet oar]

Worst Weapon enchant ever

Gimme cool Weapon enchants

[primal egret]

Might be a dumb question but is there a way to not have mutilate turn into ambush when using sepsis?

[keen spruce]

blindside procs don't consume sepsis

oh but your stealth bar appears

you should have ambush on seperate keybind

to mutilate

[primal egret]

Oh is that what’s happening lolll

Omg

I have everything set up the same in stealth except swapping those two abilities