assassination

[slow needle]

Court of Stars if you get lucky enforcer spawns.

And yeah, being under is generally a lot harder than being over.

[glacial shuttle]

it depends on the dungeon tbh. A lot of brackenhide keys somehow fall under even though there's so much trash to kill. But it's about choosing the right packs to kill

[slow needle]

If you got super lucky with Court you can be like 20% under xD

Its rare but can happen.

[glacial shuttle]

That's one of those dungeons where you always had to find extra packs to kill tbh.

you had choices too

you could choose to do extraa enforcers or you could just do the two mobs on their own

[slow needle]

Yeah, I can think of several different ways to pull that place. Its great.

[glacial shuttle]

yeah

[slow needle]

But it also puts a lot of pressure on the tank in a PuG to know the dungeon and what to pull to reach count.

Which is what I'm saying they've generally moved away from in their dungeon design.

A dungeon on the opposite end of this is Motherlode if it were to ever come back. That place had so much extra count in it you could skip an entire section.

And skipping that made the dungeon much easier.

[glacial shuttle]

Well they stopped making dungeons where they have things like "if you're x class/covenant then you can do this really interesting thing" and usually those let you skip mobs or do massive pulls

they tied them more to professions this expansion

[slow needle]

Yeah, its profession based now.

[oak tangle]

i wonder if ithey'll bring back skips now that mage has a group invis

[glacial shuttle]

I've never seen a mage actually take that tbh

even when there's no rogue lol

[slow needle]

With Priest/Mage/Rogue now all having the option to take a 'skip ability' on a cd where they're kinda usable then maybe.

But I doubt it.

[oak tangle]

mostly cause you dont even use rogue skip all that often

[slow needle]

Any pack that you would generally want to skip these days has a fun habit of getting true sight added.

[glacial shuttle]

well they kept adding true sight to annoying mobs so what's the point lmfaoa

[oak tangle]

so kinda an odd change to give mage a group stealth mid expac, where the dungeons aren't designed for it

[glacial shuttle]

I did really like Motherlode, I wish it did come back.

[slow needle]

I don't.

Because I can see them making the skip everyone used to do not possible.

Then not making that part of the dungeon any better.

Actually, Masterminds already had stealth detect.

People death skipped it with failure detection pylons.

[glacial shuttle]

idk I had groups do different skips on it. the last trash section, or the second on the way to the rock elemental boss. or on the way to the cursed gnome

[slow needle]

Football boss was fun.

Maybe I'm just pining for the good ol' nostalgic days.

But I'm convinced that bringing back old old dungeons isn't going to work well 9 times out of 10.

[glacial shuttle]

I mean. I'm a bit of an anomaly when it comes to keys lol. All my favourite dungeons were mostly linear but with challenging bosses or trash packs lol. Shrine of the Storms, Sanguine Depths, King's Rest lol. But I still value a good skip in all of them xD

I also really liked Temple of the Jade Serpent too

[oak tangle]

i think 90% trash before first boss is incredibly cringe

[slow needle]

And tbf, a meta route often emerges.

[glacial shuttle]

referencing Motherlode? xD

[oak tangle]

yup

[glacial shuttle]

wasn't it 60%?

[oak tangle]

i'd seen 80+

[glacial shuttle]

and also wasn't it the Awakening affix that allowed that to begin with?

[oak tangle]

you could do it with reaping

which kinda had no impact on route

[glacial shuttle]

skipping whole sections of Motherlode with Reaping?

[oak tangle]

a rogue thing no doubt, i believe a death skip to mass rez on last boss was needed

[slow needle]

Failure detection pylons!

xD

[oak tangle]

though i played dh in reaping season, fell barrage was so good back then

[glacial shuttle]

Reaping was S2 BFA... I was playing... ele shaman

[oak tangle]

that was when ele was meta wasnt it?

[glacial shuttle]

I don't think Ele was meta at all that expansion tbh

S2 Ele was coming off probably the worst iteration of the spec ever, where you literally just turreted with lightning bolt and storm elemental. Fuck I hated that

And S2 was when they buffed master of the elements which incentivised frost shock, lava burst and lightning bolt weaving

[oak tangle]

maybe it was just me being new to the game, but i just remember ele popping off with earthquake

[glacial shuttle]

yeah earthquake used to be much stronger back then. your aoe rotation was chain lightning and earthquake lmao. And it stayed like that until midway through SL xD

[oak tangle]

i think you had something like 5 stacks out at once or something

[glacial shuttle]

5 EQs?

[oak tangle]

yeah

[glacial shuttle]

Well it was just damage, it wasn't a buff or anything, it's like fire mages overlapping flamestrikes

[oak tangle]

i swear they had individual ticks

[glacial shuttle]

yeah earthquake was a ground effect that ticked

[oak tangle]

yeah but having multiple they had their own instances

[glacial shuttle]

it was possible to have so many earthquakes out that entire packs jsut kept getting knocked over lmao. They nerfed that pretty quickly xD

[oak tangle]

i also remember prot warrior doing more damage than most dps

[glacial shuttle]

was that before or with corruptions

[oak tangle]

i think with?

i just remember watchign mdi in freehold and the prot beating out the others

and then they decided to introduce the aoe caps

[glacial shuttle]

I thought aoe caps came in with BFA launch?

[oak tangle]

i think that was for SL

[glacial shuttle]

hmmmm

[oak tangle]

outlaw went from blade flurry hitting everything to now 5 targets

because they dominated the last few seasons of BFA

yeah it was 9.0

[glacial shuttle]

That's true yeah. Deserved tbh.

Outlaw aoe was bonkers for so long

[oak tangle]

i don't remember who was the other class to escape it, but fire mage ignite was so strong in early SL cause it was one of the few untouched aoe

i think windwalker?

[earnest remnant]

iirc flamestrike was only softcapped

[glacial shuttle]

Ignite was uncapped but everything else was I think

[oak tangle]

wdp

[glacial shuttle]

yeah Stealhi

[earnest remnant]

which was what they spammed on AoE

[glacial shuttle]

and Part of what made fire so strong in SL was the fact that you had 1 minute combust for every situation

Like in S1 SL when I played Fire it was my job to kill Pridefuls lol.

[oak tangle]

oh no not windwalker, it was dk with epidemic

cause each epidemic burst was capped but the amount of targets that could burst wasn't

though WDP being uncapped was fun on denathrius

[glacial shuttle]

If any fucking spec needs a rework right now it's monk WW lol. Monk class tree is so dogshit I can't even look at it

we've known since like.. week 2 of DF that you could just play your AoE build as a WW and only suffer like a 3% ST penalty for doing it, but the ST damage just doesn't exist anyway.

[oak tangle]

could replace DF with SL in that stement

Xd

and probably earlier

[glacial shuttle]

yeah well having basically ever covenant for monk designed for AoE didn't help lol. I hate bonedust brew so much

[oak tangle]

i was going to say make touch of death like totm but it used to be like that

but i also want toD to be the same as it is now

[glacial shuttle]

yeah it did lol. in Legion

I honestly don't like the way it is now

[oak tangle]

the aoe snipe is good for dungeons

but need a way to let it be used in raid boss fights that isn't a cheese "kill multiple sparks on razageth"

[glacial shuttle]

aoe ToD now was like.. Blizzard's answer to their inability to properly tune WW ST vs AoE. Cause buffing or nerfing other spells really messed with the way you would play in either situation. So they used an aoe ToD as a stopgap measure to carry the bulk of their burst aoe

[oak tangle]

make ToD baseline do ##% of your hp, and and damage you do for a certain time after pressing it adds to the cull threshold

[glacial shuttle]

well that's the thing

Havoc Essence Break basically does the same thing that Legion Touch of Death used to do lol

and it's strong to press too

[oak tangle]

so if your tod ever exceeds the mobs hp it gets nuked, and if you use it on a boss at 100% you can sink cds into it to make it bigger and have it as a cd during the fight too

[hoary vortex]

Made a rogue a week or two ago, 425ish ilvl rightn ow, obviously went with what is guaranteed for the immediate moment and am working on learning Subtlety, with full expectation of immediately moving to Assassination when update drops for so many reasons. I feel like I'm gonna have to take a college class just to learn sub's openers and by then update will have dropped ; Is there any feasible scenario to start working with Assass now (in keys and in raids up to HSark), even if the results are less than ideal, but to start getting the playstyle down? Or is the update radically changing how it plays too?

Thank you guys

And I've seen assassination rogues rip off some pretty wild numbers even with a scuffed design, so I know it has the potential for sure to be a strong build even as is

[nova verge]

Maybe the best you can do right now is to focus on the fundamentals and build good habits. Ex. Maintaining your bleeds, refreshing during pandemic, understanding your poisons utility, etc. All of that should carry over to the update and likely many more to come.

[hoary vortex]

Okay that sounds good. Yeah I've been thinking about running personal scenarios like going into heroic dungeons alone and really scoping out opportunities, even though the dungeons will change just getting into that analytical mindset. If PTR is out I suppose if I wanted true practice I could just boot that up eh

[nova verge]

Outside of PTR, doing group play will likely yield the highest results in learning. Sin is very cooldown restricted for multi-target performance compared to other classes/specs which usually means that your effective cooldown management is tied to the play style of the rest of your group. IE. Pull size, frequency, speed, party CDs, etc. Adjusting to that effectively, currently, can make a significant difference in your individual performance as Sin.

[balmy condor]

Is there any feasible scenario to start working with Assass now (in keys and in raids up to HSark), even if the results are less than ideal, but to start getting the playstyle down? Or is the update radically changing how it plays too?

Sounds like a video idea I can farm for content

[hoary vortex]

Thank you for this. Yeah, I haven't played Rogue since TBC when it was obviously a much different iteration; I look at Outlaw expecting the simple Combat gameplay I was acquainted with and I'm met with gun shots and RTB odds, subtlety is less about skillful utility and moreso just raw abuse of the class design (not in a bad way per se), and Assassination looks the closest stylistically but I have no idea what makes it tick really. I'll start watching some content too, something I never do lol.

Let me know when you have it done @balmy condor forreal forreal

[balmy condor]

For what it’s worth, I have some videos out to get you re-acquainted to know the important passives and stuff

Wont teach you the min-maxes

But at least you won’t be completely lost

Hopefully

[hoary vortex]

Yeah cause like, I'll have to log in because I was using ass for open world / general content and it performs, it sustains, it flows. But the numbers are non-existent when I pull up anything tracking it. But it feels good? You know

The min-max stuff I can look up and study later on, unless it's some really fringe stuff that isn't public or common

Its just like, am I supposed to be poisoning / bleeding and expediting those to watch them die or how does this get the damage applicated kinda feeling

[balmy condor]

Well you’re here so no better place to be!

[hoary vortex]

I know rogue is gonna be it for 10.2 so yeah looking to be ahead of that curve ASAP. They're rare as hell on Bleeding Hollow it seems.

[balmy condor]

Bleeding hollow isn’t that high population in general I think

[hoary vortex]

I thought the same

I looked, we are actually - 97% horde and in rank 1 of pve progression

which makes me wanna make an alliance char to grief open world cause that's what the 400 pricks do to us but lmao

that's a separate train of thought

[oak tangle]

would deffs be beneficial to note the more advanced changes that the rework brings, like if combo point spending remains the same prio etc

the gist of what i've seen so far seems to be have giga energy pool, but now have higher energy drain, so im kinda thinking everything else will remain as is, just have to adjust to a new state of energy

i guess crimson tempest also no longer having that initial hit makes it's use change a bit

[mortal kayak]

Is there a way to track improved garrote via a weakaura?

[keen spruce]

the luxthos WA pack tracks it

or whispyr's Afenar edit

@mortal kayak

[mortal kayak]

Thank you

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sonic schooner]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[kind hare]

! rupture

[balmy condor]

whats the question

that's not a command

[kind hare]

In m+

Do i spam on aoe

Or onky once

[balmy condor]

you rupture until you have enough energy to spam other things like envenom

[kind hare]

Ok

Ty

[rugged warren]

should i dot p3 sark adds?

[balmy condor]

I dot the first set cause vanish lines up nicely for them anyway

otherwise I don't bother

[rugged warren]

also, why do we garrote instantly in the opener after the envenom

and not later

[sweet dawn]

You mean the sepsis one?

[rugged warren]

ye

[vapid sierra]

Because sepsis runs out and you wanna use the buff

[sweet dawn]

It's just to consume the sepsis buff

else it's wasted and you get less imp garrote uptime

[vapid sierra]

Sepsis gives you two free stealth abilities

You wanna try and maximize uptime on gar and you do that by delaying the free sepsis buffs as late as possible

[clever sapphire]

Guys i checked a very reliable source for whats good in M+ and whats not and Assa rogue is above both rogue specs, did we get buffed? (this a joke im bored)

[rugged warren]

it doesnt run out tho

u can still muti + envenom

or even muti envenom muti

guess its minor tho

[vapid sierra]

Bro what

Send me source

[clever sapphire]

guess twice

[vapid sierra]

Before sep?

Like refreshing it?

[rugged warren]

nah

u er

into even

into garotter

taht garro

[vapid sierra]

Marcelian online?

You?

[rugged warren]

theres 3-4 globals in between where ucan hold the garrote

[clever sapphire]

subcreation baby

aight gotta dip before whispyr sees it or im toast

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-scooby-doo-meme-scooby-doo-running-away-meme-running-away-meme-skeletor-gif-17864690

[vapid sierra]

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor the current carnage bulid doesn't use exsanguinate, correct?

[clever sapphire]

no build uses exsang in current patch

its bugged on live so not worth it

[balmy condor]

Yeh just skip it

[timber meadow]

when garrotes/ruptures fall off before carnage is available again.. do you manually reapply to all or just rupture/garrote prio target and if stuff still alive when carnage back up then reapply to all with carnage?

[gusty mirage]

you'd spread ruptures all around while keeping up crimson tempest

and then when IC is back up you'd pop that if the pack's gonna live or save it for next pull

as for garrote, just worry about garroting the prio target

[timber meadow]

okay so after opener you just continue to mantain ruptures and tempest on everything

[gusty mirage]

yeppers, you got it

[timber meadow]

and then in between that you envenum

[gusty mirage]

[timber meadow]

reaplly garrote on prio or just never reapply?

[gusty mirage]

reapply on prio

the cooldown on it makes it kind of a pain in the ass to spread w/o stealth

[timber meadow]

ye

[gusty mirage]

so you just make up the energy regen w/ the ruptures

[timber meadow]

ngl iono how fun this sounds in aoe

just hella mantenance all the time

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-plates-gif-13275991

POV: You're playing assassination in keys

[timber meadow]

LOL exactly what i was thinking in my head

[timber meadow]

assasination feels pretty dank on st tho ngl but on aoe yeah ill pass tbh

[runic hinge]

it's cause i did a 23 this week

we're A tier now

[crude hornet]

Which combo of screaming black dragonscale, harlans dice, and matrix restabilizer should i use?

[balmy condor]

The highest simming combo

But given how bad the dragonscale is, I’d be willing to put money that it’s not anything involving that one

[warped plank]

hey yall, im levelling a rogue atm, toying between sub and sin, how come fan of knives only gives 1 combo point unlike shuriken storm when theyre essentially the same ability?

[split cipher]

storm gives cp per mob hit, FoK interacts with seal fate in the class tree only

(crits give extra cp)

[warped plank]

oh so it can give extra combo points if each of the hits crit?

[split cipher]

yup yup

[warped plank]

oh cool, thanks that seems a bit more fair XD

[split cipher]

feels alright once you're in the 40% range for crit

probably awful leveling

[warped plank]

yeah its not great

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, leveling as sin is kinda meh to be fair D:

its just so much easier pressing shadowstrike and everything just dies 😄

[slate crown]

Sin is rough when mobs die fast anyways because they have low health which will be the case throughout leveling, jumping from mob to mob as sub and bursting with dance is much smoother imo

It feels better at higher levels when things start living longer

[tawdry stratus]

I’ve been leveling today, from 1-55 right now and yea I can say sin in TW is just awful. Even worse if you have damage meters and see that you are 4th in dps

Bosses are fun though

[thick sail]

@balmy condor Whisp, did you ever have any luck fixing that Garrote tracking countdown not working on the Weakaura you made?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thick sail]

Excellent

I tried to update the data with the Weakaura Companion but it says it hasn't been updated in 4 months, guide me sensei

[balmy condor]

It’s ptr version only atm

I’m not updating the live version

[kind turtle]

does Deathmark affect Sepsis?

[limber lion]

No

[brazen reef]

For M+ is there a consensus on the ideal Crit / Mastery ratio. Looking at the top players on raider.io it varies between 31% crit to 46% crit and Mastery between 54 and 62%. I am currently at 31 crit and 69 mastery.... Not sure if the sims for M+ are worth doing or which settings to use, but it seems like i should drop about 9% mastery in favour of crit?

[limber lion]

It legit does not matter at all

The stats are so close

[runic hinge]

I just use my single target gear and don’t even really optimize for m+ stats

[snow kindle]

is sin more or less rng that sub rn

[brazen reef]

So as long as i am getting crit and mastery its all good then

[balmy condor]

the same, 90% of the rng in the game right now is just trinket/sophic

[clever sapphire]

Ah yes, tyvm for cartying the whole spec alone

[thick sail]

Actually cursed

[limber lion]

Indeed

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[fathom niche]

Sorry for the stupid question - I could not find anything specific in the guides. With the recommended M+ build, do I press CT on bosses in keys?

[clever sapphire]

no

[fathom niche]

Ah okay so i just keep dots up and spend on Envenom

[dark token]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

where old sheet

[grim jay]

gone

[dark token]

I wanted to try assa this patch and look at it

@balmy condor bring it back

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

yap exactly

CT on ST was a shadowlands thing

[spark scaffold]

do you guys send IC every time if mobs are gonna live 15 seconds or do you hold for opener on next pack

[clever sapphire]

i send IC whenever i feel like im gonna do the most dmg, so mostly feelcrafting

not thinking about numbers

[thick sail]

So happy IC gets fixed soon

Such a cursed ability, and the change both reduces our button bloat and makes the ability work on every M+ pack

A massive change

[clever sapphire]

does it reduce it? now we have kb and SD

[thick sail]

It's going to be passive, and affects a couple of targets instead of 8

From stealth, and for 10 seconds or so after leaving stealth

[blazing jacinth]

Question for those who run bomb dispenser and beacon, I usually have bomb dispenser on macro with my builder abilities so I can use it as much as possible, but it puts beacon on a 10 second cd. So when I run the opener should I just beacon after I garrote at the beginning or wait till later to use it? Or do I unmacro my bomb dispenser. Any ideas?

[proven jasper]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[limber lion]

Just use the beacon after rup and you're fine

[blazing jacinth]

It’s usually on cd after rup

[limber lion]

Well unmacro it from your garrote if that's the case

Only macro it to Muti and you're fine

Just do gar slice er rup beacon

[blazing jacinth]

Word thanks chief

[silver escarp]

Hm dunno if that was already answered but.. I have 41% crit. Do i still drink elemental flask, or crit flask?

[limber lion]

Crit

[silver escarp]

Even on Zskarn? xD

[limber lion]

The question rather is crit vs vers, not elemental

Vers is fine for prog or whatever

[silver escarp]

And in MM+ crit?

Thanks for the answers

[balmy condor]

Should be crit everywhere

[silver escarp]

My healers will hate me. (like i hated all the guys that was running that flask when i was healing on Rashok)

[balmy condor]

Your healers need to focus on more important things then

Cause crit flask doing a little dot every now and then is not an issue at all

[coarse bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere fulcrum]

heloo fam, can someone link me focus macro for kicks

[royal lantern]

oh no

healers now only overheal 43,7% instead of 44%

the horror

[silver escarp]

xD We are a lot with that flask

[royal lantern]

it really doesnt matter

like, it doesnt make any difference in healing at all

[blazing jacinth]

Damn even on M sark we run crit phial?

[drifting cloud]

I mean you dont have to

[amber blaze]

is KB affected by mastery ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[amber blaze]

is poisoned bomb ?

I wish

fuck it is

[gusty mirage]

unless p1 is giga sketch, which after the nerfs it should be okay assuming your healers are comfortable with the phase already, you just run crit

it's a yolo moment

[keen spruce]

our whole raid switched to sark cloaks and crit phials after the newrf

nerf

but we were also like 200 pulls in and were pretty comfy with the phase already

[vapid sierra]

what are you guys st quicksimming?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[white temple]

Heard this was a new DPS meta

[balmy condor]

hmmmmmmm

that paladin's definitely thinking

[oak sky]

Smartest paladin player

[potent phoenix]

what the

[junior fiber]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[cobalt moth]

assassination is good this week? just checked subcreation and saw it's above the other 2 specs for m+

[clever sapphire]

I called it, somebody is going to ask

[clever sapphire]

Its btm week, everyone is playing assa instead of sub, and outlaw is in the shit tier for no reason. Dont trust sub for whats good and whats bad

[cobalt moth]

yeah just noticed the btm prolly has something to do with it. I'm just deciding what spec to play atm to catch up for next patch

[clever sapphire]

Whatever floats your boat,assa is gonna be the worst out of the 3 tho if looking at M+

[balmy condor]

Subcreation bad

[fallen forge]

What’s btm

[balmy condor]

Break the meta

[fallen forge]

Oh right

Time to get invited to keys by ppl who only look at subcreation

[halcyon arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo ether]

who is @blazing jewel

[earnest remnant]

budget me

[balmy condor]

Consequence's third best rogue

[indigo ether]

[blazing jewel]

Pleb is consequence’s 19th best ret

[earnest remnant]

calm down plebskitten

[blazing jewel]

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cottoncandy-racoon-funny-animal-gif-5846999

[indigo ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-baby-smol-cute-cat-gif-18688416

[spice spire]

Blud thinks he’s raiding

[craggy nimbus]

Woho, timed my first +20 on my assassination rogue last night \o/

[balmy condor]

gratz!

[rotund oak]

why is everyone harassing u 😦

what did u do

[spice surge]

Just a consequence of living in Florida really

[shy pecan]

Ba dum tiss

[craggy nimbus]

Thanks!
Since your post about 10.2 rework on wowhead, I've started playing my rogue again and I'm already starting to love her again. By the looks of it, 10.2 is way better so I'm most likely making her my main again 🙂

[balmy condor]

lets go

more rogues

[craggy nimbus]

She's been my main since a month into vanilla WoW but we called a break at the end of Shadowlands/start of Dragonflight. Short break but needed^^

[fathom niche]

same 😄 I was bored on vacation as I lay on the beach and read the assa 10.2 article. Immediately after vacation, logged on to my rogue and just try to learn assa and farm gear

[sharp viper]

what is the go to embellishment for force sporecloak usage? still toxic thornboots or something like fang adornments?

[balmy condor]

anything involving sporecloak is an exercise for the reader

there is not a normal rogue on this planet that uses sporecloak

so you're gonna have to theorycraft yourself

[sharp viper]

just going to ease the healers into sarkareth progression once we get there

[woeful meteor]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193455/infurious-footwraps-of-indemnity

this

[sharp viper]

that's pvp territory

[woeful meteor]

if you use sporecloak for pve what whispyr said

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm sure you have your reason for considering it

I'm telling it's not worth considering

but if you want to do it anyways

then that's your thing

good luck king

[sharp viper]

I'm not even sure if I'm going to have to play outlaw or assa on that boss, well i guess I'll sim once echo goes down

[woeful meteor]

Law on Sark

[sharp viper]

no way I'm running sub on that fight so it's either outlaw if aoe dmg is needed and if not sin

[woeful meteor]

Sin is the only correct choice for prog on that Boss at this point imo

[sharp viper]

prob gonna drop sporecloak anyways once the healers got a hang of p1

[halcyon arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plucky canopy]

Imo sin is also the most fun on sark, cuz u can make use of that haste buffs

Tbf it's always the most fun spec but yea, haste does make it feel even better

[dark token]

why does this macro work on sepsis procs but not blindside procs. really annoying

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:1/2/3] Ambush
/cast [stance:0] Mutilate

finally figured out it was stealing my procs in opener

[woeful meteor]

since sepsis stance swaps to stealth also sepsis procs for ambush

[gusty mirage]

Why are you going through all this extra effort instead of just using another keybind

[dark token]

its also on another keybind

[gusty mirage]

You confuse me in new ways that surprise me every day my friend

[spice spire]

[dark token]

it used to be useful for me when you would ambush in vanish or on pull

now its fucking with sepsis so i deleted it

you should be happy

now im trying to figure out how to switch from sub gear to sin gear in least amount of crafts

[woeful meteor]

just craft each slot a second time

[dark token]

only have 5 sparks

but 6 slots that need recraft

head, wrist, ring, ring, boots, neck

and i need a new chest actually

[woeful meteor]

idk I play crit vers on 2 slots in my sin gear

also just get nelth ring

[true lark]

dum question here perhaps but is echoing reprimand sorta out of left field for rogues? is it cool? aabout to try it out just wonered the thought process on it. seems like a random thing there

[dark token]

just get it

xD

[woeful meteor]

is your rogue no longer in main raid?

[dark token]

they are just rare drops

and we gear alts rather than 0.1% dps for a main

so yes ive been doing 0-3 bosses on rogue

[woeful meteor]

I guess

[dark token]

cause its in bis sub gear

i just want some assa gear since its lookin good

[woeful meteor]

pretty sure the ring gets vendored for us half the time since all alts have double crafted and basically no one needs crit haste

so I kinda randomly got it

[dark token]

also i need to decide to craft crit haste, haste mastery, crit mast

[earnest remnant]

most of my stuff is just crit/mast

[dark token]

also we never kill magmorax so rip mythic tier helm

wish you could catalyst crafts

or sark cloak

[woeful meteor]

why not do the extra 5 min to get another boss

[earnest remnant]

first boss?

get that head

[spice surge]

Or sark tier

[earnest remnant]

either works

[dark token]

true first boss head

[dark token]

cause we do two 7 boss runs in one night

skip + first 5

[fallen forge]

fellas yall got any advice for mythic zskarn? might end up trialing on that boss during prog

[dark token]

its pretty straightforward patchwerk now

just dont put lines through people

[thorn fjord]

Dont swap to adds either

[dark token]

dont get knocked into fire

[true flume]

dont cloak lines on top of ppl

[thorn fjord]

fuck that

[dark token]

yeah dont swap to adds

ranged job

dont pick up stuff

ranged job

dont run into bombs

tank job

[fallen forge]

we have a blood dk and 2 uh dks

[thorn fjord]

Yeah make sure you dont accidently pick up anything

[dark token]

just dps and dont get knocked into fire or put lines into people

[thorn fjord]

Can also cloak for more uptime

But you might not wanna do that if you're trialing

[true flume]

be suppper careful with shadowsteping behind the boss into fire.

[dark token]

i like to save cloak for o shit i got 2 stacks

[fallen forge]

cant tell if this is real advice or "avoid mechanic for max dps" advice

[thorn fjord]

Nah its real

[true flume]

no this is all accurate

[fallen forge]

i have been in boomkin discord too long

[thorn fjord]

The fight is much easier

[fallen forge]

oh nice

[thorn fjord]

Its mainly based on how the tanks handle bombs at this point

[true flume]

also, stay away from bridges during prog.

[fallen forge]

lemme actually check their comp bc roster boss might mean i have to do mechanics

there are bridges on that boss?

[true flume]

no but you might want to jump off one during that prog.

[thorn fjord]

He means the entrance to the boss room

Fucks with your camera and its super annoying

[fallen forge]

ye makes sense

ok they got 2 bm hunters i think i can sit on boss entire time

[thorn fjord]

I usually play this boss from top down POV

[true flume]

i usually run the floor POV.

[fallen forge]

maybe fok if abom limb goes out during adds

[thorn fjord]

That and pray for PB procs

Yell PROC LORD everytime you press env

[true flume]

lol

[thorn fjord]

Was getting gnarly pb procs on nelth last week

[fallen forge]

ight ty for the advice ❤️

gonna go try and big brain cd timings with google sheet bc the kill might be 6:30 to 7 min

[thorn fjord]

GL

[dark token]

damn i need to socket my wrists and head again

zzz

[fallen forge]

i watched that whispyr video and my iq increased by 10

[potent phoenix]

is assassination good this week (im troll)

[thorn fjord]

Today is my first full mythic vault in a while

Im kind of excited but know i shouldnt be

[dark token]

3 tiers

[true flume]

is that fight actually 7m?

[thorn fjord]

@dark token why would you put that bad mojo on me fam

[thorn fjord]

for a prog kill maybe?

[true flume]

they neeed to remove that encounter

is not too late

[fallen forge]

17% was 6:05

so im just guessing based on that

[dark token]

more like 4 mins

[true flume]

im almost certain there is an enrage

[dark token]

5 mins for prog

[thorn fjord]

Our last Zskarn kill ended at 5:20

not prog tho

[fallen forge]

was that 9:30 pre cheese

[dark token]

ye

[fallen forge]

ahh makes sense

[true flume]

well at like 5 40 there is no more room

how on the world u survive 6m?

[gusty mirage]

could've spent 2 more minutes and just cheesed it with less effort

[dark token]

we did 4 tanks

[thorn fjord]

jeez 4? lol

[gusty mirage]

ye

[true flume]

my guild got to it the day they patched it

[fallen forge]

ye actually most died at 5:40

[gusty mirage]

4 tanks was the play for pre nerf

[dark token]

cool comp

[gusty mirage]

lmao can you guess how we killed it?

[dark token]

half dps dead

13 mins

[thorn fjord]

by getting the bosses health down to 0?

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't know

I was playing poe

[thorn fjord]

Man of class

[gusty mirage]

we had the DH in for DH buff

and every other melee was benched

[thorn fjord]

lol

[potent phoenix]

you guys talking zskarn?

[dark token]

[gusty mirage]

actual dogshit boss

I hope Newsham got fired for designing that piece of shit

[true flume]

so i remember we killed rashok the day nerfed it, we killed it in a week. the week after that it was bugged again and you could cheese it. We hard avoided all cheeses.

[potent phoenix]

echo is aids though too, range dps brains are tiny

[gusty mirage]

lmao echo

remember when they said they don't want people to have to download weakauras for bosses?

then they released lords of dread

and now echo?

[potent phoenix]

bro my guild did 540 pulls on that boss, range actually made me lose 15 years off my life

[gusty mirage]

somehow someone's weakaura always breaks

and it takes like 20 minutes to fix it

every single week

insane boss

11 out of 10

meanwhile as melee you're just payphoning waiting for the boss to die

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[thorn fjord]

Wa wise echo is 1000x worse than lords was

[gusty mirage]

you say that

but imagine doing the intermission w/o a WA

🙂

[thorn fjord]

The mini game gave you enough time to yell at everyone lol

Atleast melee brain only have to worry about position 5 on echo

[gusty mirage]

idk it's whatever

[blazing jacinth]

My raid is stacked on melee so we got anywhere from 2-5 lol

[dark token]

what WA

i dont even remember a WA for lords

except bait

[true flume]

the silly thing is, how the f did blizz expect ppl to do that boss with no WA. like lets have everyone call their spots on discord surely they can do it in 5 secs

[gusty mirage]

the stupid vote thing that no one ever did properly

so it was a shit show every time

lmao

[dark token]

oh yeah

[earnest remnant]

Soviet my assa gear crafted items are all crit/mast

[gusty mirage]

ACKSHUALLY if you crafted a chest piece as haste/mastery you could get like 97 dps

[earnest remnant]

nope

[gusty mirage]

based as fuck

[earnest remnant]

fact checked

[gusty mirage]

see you're using a haste mastery ring

nerd

try it with the echo ring

[earnest remnant]

oh

gotcha again

[gusty mirage]

idk bro

you smell

[earnest remnant]

xD

[gusty mirage]

shower or something

[thorn fjord]

among us WA

[gusty mirage]

I ran a droptimizer for crafted

and I got like +72 dps for crafting my chest

and I was like yeah bro that for sure is gonna happen

[earnest remnant]

i cant really get more

[gusty mirage]

let me regem/re-enchant everything

for 70 dps

[thorn fjord]

I dont get any additional dps from crafting 😦

Or M+

[gusty mirage]

too stronk

[thorn fjord]

im only sitting at 138k

[gusty mirage]

go get a sark cloak

[limber lion]

Hey that's 138k more than me

👯‍♂️

[thorn fjord]

Hoping for a mythic bomb today.. its my highest upgrade at .6%

[potent phoenix]

im only at like 135

we are not allowed to use sark cape

[gusty mirage]

omg I just realized we're at the same sim dps

wanna hold hands?

[arctic hare]

Oh, oh, AND, as soon as you do it’ll change again to show the exact same build you had being better.

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

My PTR sims at around 217k though, how's that

[gusty mirage]

only 70k more than what we have now?

pathetic

[limber lion]

Yeh, Havoc simming 250k

[potent phoenix]

that seems like a lot

[limber lion]

gg

[gusty mirage]

300k or doom

[arctic hare]

Whoa what?

[gusty mirage]

havoc oversims

almost always

[arctic hare]

Wait, is this for ST?

[potent phoenix]

yea

[spice surge]

As does outlaw

[dark token]

why is your sin dps way higher than mine

[limber lion]

The new rework just cranks

[arctic hare]

Weren’t, we at like, 125k TOPS?

[gusty mirage]

can't wait for that nerfaroo to come to the cantrips

[dark token]

do you have nick of time

[earnest remnant]

yes

i do have nick of time

i have every item in the game

[somber sparrow]

i find a common reason is that if i switch specs then maybe I don't want it to activate, so I changed the trigger that loads it, on a parent, instead of a subgroup that was loading it for that specific spec. That kind of messes up all the subgroups unless you realize this is what was done lol

[gusty mirage]

do you have my heart?

[arctic hare]

Well, rework goes Brrrrrrr

[dark token]

i need nelth trinket as well

zzz

[limber lion]

Bomb + Chromatic is better

Nelth is history

[gusty mirage]

fu

[arctic hare]

Nahhh, you need the incarnate icon like I’ve got…

[limber lion]

Also 1RPM dog

[gusty mirage]

and your chromatic

[limber lion]

miss me with that

[gusty mirage]

just proc more bro

skill issue idk

[limber lion]

damn

[gusty mirage]

why take consistent dps

when you can high roll nelth trinket and crank 1 out of every 80 pulls

[thorn fjord]

We're degenerate gamblers

[gusty mirage]

WE LOVE THE NEW GAMEPLAY

[dark token]

yeah not looting that tho

every class in the game wants it

[earnest remnant]

had that from day one

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Oxi is taking me under his wing next tier

We're both playing one rogue together

kinda like pacific rim

NEURAL LINK ACTIVATED

[limber lion]

That sounds lucky to me after what happened to me in PoE

[gusty mirage]

did you gamba away the bow I gave you?

[static glacier]

dont cope cev, my sim said nelth is bigger so healers got chromatic 💀

[limber lion]

Oh ya it's all gone

[midnight mist]

260 actually

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[limber lion]

The entire bank is gone

[gusty mirage]

note to self guys, don't give compulsive gambling friends gear

I actually sold my old bow for cheap last night

some guy asked me if I would budge on 130div

[limber lion]

I had fun with it while it lasted

[gusty mirage]

I was liek fuck it bro 110

[limber lion]

Wasn't gonna play anyways

So no harm in going for gamba

[gusty mirage]

morbid cock too stronk to worry about 20div

[limber lion]

Either I quit the league with a mageblood and a mirror, or I quit the league with nothing

[gusty mirage]

look at that beaut

[limber lion]

It's true

[gusty mirage]

I was deleting kosis/omni in a wave 30 simu

I killed uber eater before he phased

[thorn fjord]

I bet you’re an Uber eater irl

[dark token]

when do you guys use beacon

after deathmark? 1st global?

[pure moth]

Before deathmark

After rupture

[earnest remnant]

after rupture before sepsis

iirc

havent played beacon on assa for so long

[pure moth]

Ya started using it on sark over class trinket. Its just as long as its before deathmark. Youre good

[arctic hare]

I just realized, I hate sepsis. Its, blue. Too blue.

[dark token]

how can i tweak luxthos WA to add the empowered garrote tracker to sepsis buff, mine doesnt have

it goes green for stealth garrotes

but not sepsis garrotes

[potent phoenix]

take the file, put it in photoshop hue/saturation replace color with red or something and put it back in the file

ggs youre welcome

[limber lion]

wtf

Sepsis procs stealth effects

There is no "sepsis garrote"

It's the same thing

[dark token]

yes i understand

[limber lion]

It definitely does that for me

You pres Garrote, it has a green circle

[arctic hare]

Hmm, good fix, blue IS my favorite color, but it just doesn’t feel like a really, “assassinationy” color. At least to me.

[limber lion]

Press Sepsis, press Garrote again

still green circle

[dark token]

im saying the WA tracks the stealth garrote state (stealth buff -> garrote) but not the sepsis garrote state

[limber lion]

Sepsis procs, press Garrote again, still green circle

[potent phoenix]

make everything blue then

[dark token]

because the sepsis stealth ability buff ID is seperate from the stealth spell id buff i guess

maybe i have old version

[limber lion]

Maybe update it or something

[arctic hare]

Not weakaura wise lol, i mean like overall ability icon color

[potent phoenix]

yea you can change it in the files

[dark token]

ye but i stole it and bastardized it into afenar ui

have to download the whole pack and customize it again

zzz

[potent phoenix]

its just icon replacement

[dark token]

yeah

no green circle

[limber lion]

Do you have the engine as well

You need the garrote weakaura

as well as the engine weakauras from the pack

Doesn't do much as a standalone

[dark token]

its weird, i dont have the engine in my current weakara set but it still works

whats the exact name of the engine WA

[limber lion]

It's in the Luxthos pack

It's a separate group

[dark token]

here is from stealth

here is sepsis

(top one is updated one)

[limber lion]

Just download the Luxthos pack

[dark token]

yeah i did

[limber lion]

and use that

[dark token]

i dont see anything named engine

[limber lion]

and see if it works there

without moving the weakaura away

[dark token]

ok the whole pack works yeah

also causes my original to work

[limber lion]

Class Options - LWA - Rogue (Icon)
General Options - LWA - Rogue (Icon)

These ones

[dark token]

nice thanks

@earnest remnant link me your top gear, im missing like 1k dps off you even adding the dagger + recrafting everything

im curious what the diff in gear is

[earnest remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vT7Z3jHs15cZBNj8hmgHdA

i sim with 85% corrupting uptime

[dark token]

ah mine is 80%

[earnest remnant]

since its usually what it ends up being

[dark token]

hmm you dont even need the crafted chest or nelth ring eh? tier chest just works

[thorn fjord]

Am i the only cheapskate that refuses to buy corrupting? lol

[dark token]

its not even that expensive anymore

[thorn fjord]

like 230g each on my server

compared to like 80g for tepid

thats spensive boo

Holy shit bro my vault is hot dog water

fuck this game lol

[dark token]

yeah this is weird, beacon outsimming essence for me, (yeah i clicked all buffs)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fTGgYbkgsByoYNmpvoZ1WE

and vers my top stat

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6pMyFiVpbXQVER6A2t8zVj

don't think so

[dark token]

hmm i think its simming without all buffs

[limber lion]

No it's probably simming obsidian

which is bad

You want Azure or sometimes Bronze

[dark token]

oh duh

i dont actually have it so i forgot to set that option

[spice surge]

Ye you simmed it without allies and with obsidian

[limber lion]

best of both worlds

no friends and the worst buff

Unlucky

:(

[thorn fjord]

will always have friends here at RH

[lament aurora]

gonna end the tier without a sark cloak at this rate

12 kills + 12 full vaults, no luck unfortunately

[dark token]

i need nelth or essence

[lament aurora]

how do you not have nelth trinket by now

[dark token]

never drops

very rare xD

[lament aurora]

bring reroll tokens back blizz

[gusty mirage]

bring back dinars*

fixed that for you

[lament aurora]

its too early for dinar dummy

[thorn fjord]

And titanforging too while you're at it

[gusty mirage]

tf you gonna reroll now

[robust flume]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of swapping to assassination for single target fights, I'm just wondering if there is a threshold for critical Strike rating before focusing on adding mastery

[gusty mirage]

just gold?

[gusty mirage]

you'll be fine, just slap your profile into top gear and follow what it says

hard focusing one stat or another will lead you to a lot of unnecessary regemming, etc

@thorn fjord @limber lion

[thorn fjord]

i would have taken beacon or that ring

[limber lion]

free gold

[thorn fjord]

i got a fucking catalyst set of gloves

[gusty mirage]

I have the ring

with a socket

and it's still a dps loss

slap it in the pile of my other useless shit ig

[lament aurora]

whats that mace doin in there

[gusty mirage]

oh

that was when I opened my vault as outlaw by accident

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/rum-jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-johnny-depp-drinking-gif-16139248

[gusty mirage]

I've had a 447 forgestorm since week 3

[lament aurora]

some people have all the luck

[dark token]

i need to hire people with nick of time to group with me and do dawn of the infinite 2nd boss

[lament aurora]

good luck

I've been pugging it weekly

[dark token]

i keep getting the trinket

[lament aurora]

yolo

[dark token]

yeah same

[sweet dawn]

Looks like a socket to me

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

[storm belfry]

how's it going homie

[drifting cloud]

I heard oxi has a secret ptr account where he practices outlaw

[gusty mirage]

you know me

always rushing to play wow

it's my FAVORITE GAME EVER

WOW

[drifting cloud]

[spice surge]

Blade rushing even

[scenic nacelle]

why is tier still dropping so late... it's eating up my sark cloak slots

[runic hinge]

Mine too

[gusty mirage]

I blame @spice spire

he's usually my go-to scapegoat

[spice spire]

Be kind to yourself

[thorn fjord]

Goes well man hope you’re doing well

[strange python]

What stat do we use for essence

[gilded oasis]

yeah ask @balmy condor how well thats been working out

[pure moth]

Not well..

[gilded oasis]

[bold cliff]

is 437 the highest you can get crafter before having to upgrade it yourself?

[pure moth]

I was supposed to be good luck for mook and shmeeps. Its not working

Then again they were in outlaw spec for a month before realizing

[pure moth]

Crafter can do 447

[pseudo hamlet]

You can inv me for the second boss if you need the dagger mate, I've got it already and will be able to trade you 😄

[dark token]

eu or na tho

[gilded oasis]

outlaw brain

[dark token]

is nick of time bis for outlaw too

[spare lodge]

Does simming on raidbots account for execute phase?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[bold temple]

Can inv me for nick of time too I already have

[half dawn]

Do you use crimson tempest as assa on ST?

for m+ build

[dark token]

eu or na

[bold temple]

na

[thorn fjord]

I’m not locked… can help whoever for dagger

[dark token]

i need eu buddies for tomorrow

[thorn fjord]

Prob help whispyr when he gets on

[true lark]

so im now undertanding the echoing reprimand, is there any reason to try to line up the random combo point # or is it just use it when u see it show up randomly

[thorn fjord]

You don’t play around the cp

Just send when it lands

[half dawn]

anyone interested in checking out my log from a low key (VP 19) - I'm practicing assa in M+ and wanna know what I can improve ❤️
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ww3gz9aY4vjMmdJc#fight=last&type=summary

[potent phoenix]

•if you wanna do more damage, and you are getting resets on every pack, try and use vanish to spread more garrote as they fall off, you could sustain damage better through packs - as you start to climb higher you will have to get used to not getting stealth after every pack so using your vanish to assist in opener will become more important.

•You are also not using cds the most effectively, you could get more value from IC as you used 18/37 possible times.

•Don't bother using Crimson Tempest on ST, you will get more value from an envenom

•log more and send a days worth of keys, its hard to micro analyze one key, you cant really see what you need to from a single log

[half dawn]

thanks

yeah i need to start logging more, and good tip on CT + IC

i normally want to save vanish for carnage when i know i dont get stealth

also

if carnage is like 2 seconds from being ready but next pack starts

should i wait 2s to do dmg or go in anyway

[potent phoenix]

that being said for IC just make sure you have it for important moments or for it to come up when you can get full value of the vanish+IC mid pull

[half dawn]

and then garrote without IC

i mean garrote without stealth with IC

[potent phoenix]

if you see tank moving to chain, youll want to have vanish that will happen a lot especially as you start climbing

[deep knoll]

how is assa rogue A ?

[potent phoenix]

this coming week you gotta make sure you make the most value of vanish to apply IC garrote as you will not be getting natty stealth

[potent phoenix]

it is break the meta week

[deep knoll]

ohhhh

makes sense

ty

[forest nacelle]

we best rogue, dats why 😄

[potent phoenix]

[forest nacelle]

[half dawn]

@potent phoenix if IC is coming off CD (let's say 3 seconds till ready) and im in stealth, should I wait for IC before going in? Is it more worth to wait 3s to insta apply stealth garrote or just go in and apply stealthless garrote

[potent phoenix]

i personally wait a decent amount, a few seconds at most, because tank is usually grouping things anyways, i play with a bdk so they are turbo slow, but if you had vanish you could start ramping shit get you CT rolling and then vanish IC combo

[half dawn]

Got ya

[potent phoenix]

i want to get big value of iron wire usually

[half dawn]

you answered my next questionw hich was about grouping

[storm belfry]

Everything is going good here also

[vestal wren]

nerf assassination, shits op

[potent phoenix]

based

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[potent phoenix]

i think sin deserves like 4 nerfs tbf, make that 140k dungeon slice sim 90k

[vestal wren]

i am just joking btw. i know its just because of break the meta

would have assumed outlaw to be more popular

[potent phoenix]

its mostly because eu bros main sub so the swap to sin was easier i think

[pure moth]

Nahh no one likes that spec 🙂

[potent phoenix]

let me tell you my secret

https://tenor.com/view/really-good-technique-nate-tkor-great-skills-excellent-workaround-gif-26185498

[dark token]

i never thought id say this

but sepsis > bonespike

[potent phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[balmy dome]

hey guys

what's the best combo of the 3 poisons for st?

[strange python]

How much do we play around nightstalker

[potent phoenix]

you use deadly and amplifying as you damage ones, support poisons are situational

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-disappointed-in-you-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-22424563

[potent phoenix]

we dont use shadowdance as ass right now, so not that much it helps in the vanish and opener windows and thats about it

[timber meadow]

is there any reason not to macro bomb dispenser?

[balmy condor]

Double on use trinkets or aoe

[timber meadow]

coo outisde those conditions macro is fine

makes sense

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[timber meadow]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[timber meadow]

anyone able to take a look at a log? think i have a decent gist of the basics... but just came back so woudl love some reminders if there's somethin that stands out - looked through wow analyzer and seems like the only issue were a few envenoms it caught without rupture but like iono

oh nm yeah it didn't like the time remaining ones but it was fine cause i got the envenom in without losing rupture uptime

what it didn't like was me not rupturing in the last like 13s of the fight

i just let it fall off

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPAQqdaxmnLKBtX7#fight=24&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=137&ability=1943

[timber meadow]

oh yeah i literally dont know what to do with sepsis

so i should read that

[balmy condor]

Yeah wowanalyzer has all the things

[timber meadow]

i kinda disagree with it on the eneoms though tbh

sepsis and the two bad thistle teas make sense tho

wait wtf what enchant goes on boots

oh stam

literally irrelevant

[timber meadow]

is it better to do like a 2 cp rupture late or is letting it just fall off okay in the last 10-15s?

[balmy condor]

For that long you definitely rupture

Dropping rupture is like maybe the 3-4 seconds

Super whatever

[timber meadow]

oh okay my bad thsx

[potent phoenix]

"stam" is not irrelivent, and you can put speed on it which has a theroetical dps gain to it

[timber meadow]

ye i was being sarcastic

[keen tree]

I know assassination is looking great for 10.2 but how come it's so popular on subcreation right now? did they improve it already?

[potent phoenix]

no, it was break the meta week

[keen tree]

ahhhhhh ok 🙂 thx

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor lmk if you wanna get disappointed again today

[balmy condor]

Yeah we’ll run it back, couple errands atm

[timber meadow]

so is the issue that i used ambush before garrote? like after i use sepsys, i need garrote to be the first stealth abiltiy i use in order for it to be empowered?

[thorn fjord]

You can ambush if blindside procs

Otherwise yeah you'll use your sepsis charge

[balmy condor]

It’s only 1 ability

Sepsis doesn’t give you 10 seconds of abilities

It gives 10 seconds for 1 ability

[timber meadow]

ye

[balmy condor]

So ambush is 1 ability

Which is bad

[timber meadow]

i was basically saying/asking... "so me using ambush uses that one ability and fucks my garrote"

[half dawn]

This is gonna be a mega idiot question, but does anyone know what this number means (the one in the red circle for envenom). It stacks up to 20, and resets to 11 if I refresh envenom on sub 1s.

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

That’s amp poison stacks

[half dawn]

ah ok. so I should never use envenom if I dont have at least 10 stacks?

to min max envenom dmg?

[timber meadow]

oh is this becuase the blindside proc like comes before the sepsis ability?

so if you ambsuh it consumes blindisde but not sepsis?

[balmy condor]

No, you just use envenom like normal

[balmy condor]

Yah

[bold cliff]

how many wyrms crests have we earned so far?

[mystic osprey]

Yo, when my dots expire in mythic should I be spanning garrote and rupture while tab targetting?

[balmy condor]

More than any mortal would need

Could craft like 4 full gear sets

[balmy condor]

If you need energy, yeah

[bold cliff]

ok so ive earned 200 fragments fo far. definitely more than that then?

[balmy condor]

Should be able to see the cap if you hover over it

[mystic osprey]

Ok, Ty, nice vids btw

[bold cliff]

ohh that cap moves as the weeks go? i see

[balmy condor]

But I think the cap is well into the thousands

[balmy condor]

Ty

[bold cliff]

I jsut noticed i have 3 shards worth of aspects crests. I have no idea how ive gotten them...

I clear heroic weekly and that's it. Is there a weekly quest or something id have been gettign them from?

[mystic osprey]

Aspect crests are mythic raids

[half dawn]

another noob question, is it possible to have 100% uptime on envenom in a pure ST fight?

[bold cliff]

i just learned it was from Dawn

[half dawn]

i feel like i forgot everything about assa since last time i played it jfc

[bold cliff]

for Aspects crest is there a "most efficient" way of using them? Like im crafting 5 pieces of gear right now. Should i use them for that? or should i save Apsect crests for super bis pieces to upgrade?

[mystic osprey]

It's not that hard, depends what build you're using

[clever sapphire]

Look at it from this angle, patch is coming in like a month probably, crafted gear is nerfed there. Im personally not even crafting anything anymore cause im not that rich

But if you want to

A quick sim will tell you the best answer

In top gear you can upgrade items to 447 or on gear compare you can add in 447 items

Thats how i would go around it

[keen spruce]

@agile osprey @pure moth i forgotted on saturday

slept all day

[mystic osprey]

It's not that bad is it?

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s not bad at all

You’d still want to craft every other week

Like you did this patch

[mystic osprey]

It's just that Mythic raids are more rewarding now

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Good changes

[mystic osprey]

Still spamming mythics to get crests, then doing raid on mythic

[balmy condor]

I’m full bis after I loot dungeon dagger today right @winged veldt @thorn fjord @gusty mirage @gilded oasis @brazen zodiac

RIGHT?

But like

I have 6 crafted pieces

That just ain’t right

[mystic osprey]

Not full BiS until you're 450 😭

[balmy condor]

450 ain’t possible

You can get close though

[mystic osprey]

449?

[balmy condor]

I’m like 449.1 and the only thing I can get is the 450 ring

But that ring isn’t an upgrade

[mystic osprey]

Some mofos got it

That's crazy

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, evokers