assassination

[balmy condor]

I don't think I've ever bothered to look

let me check

yeh

it's this one

[hollow imp]

i had 6 buffs

yeah that one

[balmy condor]

this is the buff in game that triggers improved garrote

[void mesa]

imagine if Garrote could stack with Improved Garrote

[balmy condor]

so most common way to track improved garrote is to look for the buff to disappear on a garrote cast

[void mesa]

maybe not too late Realz 👀

[balmy condor]

if you're doing that for stealth and vanish

you add that to the list

[gilded oasis]

mine stopped tracking for IC from stealth it was working once then not. and I havent bothered to figure out why. I just like to get mad its not easy to track instead

[balmy condor]

this sounds omega jank

[void mesa]

Just imagine okay

I'm just shitposting during classes

[balmy condor]

that's the issue

I am imagining

and it hurts

[void mesa]

Double dmg

Double the energy regen

Double the FUN

And then on DM

QUAD GARROTE

okay ill stop

[gusty mirage]

sir, how many marijuanas have you consumed today?

[gilded oasis]

ok but they really could give improved garrote a new ID

[void mesa]

2 heatstrokes sir

[runic hinge]

Mine only tracks now on the original target

[gilded oasis]

yeah but it USED TO track on all

or mine did at least

[runic hinge]

I think it did for a bit but hasn’t for a while

[past forum]

talent that gives garrote the demon blades treatment where your AA becomes a garrote that has an independant non stacking duration like ironfur and also add a talent that gives it windfury weapon proc ability that can infinitely proc off itself

[runic hinge]

Mine that is

[balmy condor]

I thought we were done cooking

PTR is named to 10.2

when will it stop

[gilded oasis]

never

[void mesa]

Done cooking? Nonono always cooking

[gilded oasis]

dude I literally just opened my yogurt 2 mins ago and already has a cat hair in it

[balmy condor]

extra flavoring

[void mesa]

[past forum]

my cat passed earlier this year and i'll still randomly have one of her hairs abra kadabra into my things, cats are built diff

[gilded oasis]

she just sayin hi

[somber fractal]

finally a small upgrade from vault 🙂

[gilded oasis]

congrats

[somber fractal]

probably not worth dropping 3% avoidance on gloves for 3 ilvls, but hey, we arent here to not do dam

[blazing jewel]

Why did they add another partition

This is cringe

[thorn fjord]

Just spent the last hour counter scamming a scammer on Whatsapp

Good times

Kitboga would be proud

[balmy condor]

TIME TO RANK ONE AGAIN GO GO GO

quickly scana

before stealthi wakes up

[gray crest]

stealthi doesnt sleep

[sweet dawn]

He waits

In the shadows

[balmy condor]

he actually sleeps once a week

in the 15 minute server downtime during EU reset

[spice spire]

This tier is the biggest asterisk

[earnest remnant]

[void mesa]

Ohshit

[blazing jewel]

My rogue isn’t in main raid so I don’t get op NA lock in times

[void mesa]

Run

[past bobcat]

Is class trinket good for sin?

[grand trail]

only if it proc

[hollow imp]

okay, i give up, xD i feel like its impossible to track without the exact spell ID xD, ill just trust its working i guess xD

[grand trail]

if you need working WA for all garrotes

than luxthos working great

[balmy condor]

It’s bis yeah

[hollow imp]

its specifically for the imp garrote after sepsis only

[balmy condor]

How are you tracking non-sepsis garrotes

[hollow imp]

just a WA from wago, for imp garrote, and i made my own for normal garrote

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

that's my weakaura pack, but it ripped the improved garrote stuff out of luxthos

you're looking for this one

[past bobcat]

Along with essence or bomb?

[balmy condor]

and this garrote

pull those two out, add it to whatever pack you're using

[thorn fjord]

The base of your WA is Lux or Afenar?

[balmy condor]

and then you should be good to go

[balmy condor]

the base is afenar

[thorn fjord]

Cool gonna try this out

[balmy condor]

I just yoinked the luxthos garrote out of it

and got rid of some useless shit like elaborate planning tracking

[balmy condor]

bomb

[hollow imp]

sweet cheers ill have a look

[balmy condor]

it's always bomb first, and then you have a choice between chromatic essence or nelth trinket

[grand trail]

nelth is so rng would rather play essence now if i have it

[thorn fjord]

All this beacon hate

[past bobcat]

Beacon is bad when it’s bad and good when it’s good

[balmy condor]

Beacon just isn’t that good anymore

It’s still fine and can be good on really quick heroic kills or something

But I just don’t see it being a contender for bis anymore

[thorn fjord]

So your pack also does what notters does right?

[blazing jewel]

Beacon requires looking at your kill times and a slight bit of thought

[balmy condor]

Yes

[blazing jewel]

Nelth is head empty equip the green trinket

[spice spire]

Joke is on you my head is always empty

0 thoughts

[blazing jewel]

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor i've been slippin... your wa is on point... ty sir

[balmy condor]

[hollow imp]

thanks for the help! 😄 @balmy condor ill stick to what ive got xD

[balmy condor]

Np

[quiet oar]

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

A classic

[quiet oar]

[dawn haven]

Aye yo you got a tracker for sepsis after the buff is gone the first time?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dawn haven]

I feel like I've been lazy finding a tracker and looking at the top right of my screen for that 7s window is painful

Surely I can snag your tracker homie

Or is it worked into your afenar thingy?

[royal lantern]

thats the entire point of the edited afenar wa

[quiet oar]

To steal weakauras from it

and dumb it into your own

[dawn haven]

Fair, I just want to know where he snagged the tracker from, I'm using afenar atm and it doesn't track the second sepsis window

Maybe my afenar is wack

[earnest remnant]

think the sepsis one he uses is his own creation

[dawn haven]

Ah, 700 iq whispyr as usual.

[quiet oar]

Do you think sepsis speaks to whisp?

[dawn haven]

"Press me."

"Right now, optimal timing."

[quiet oar]

"Not yet"

"keep going"

[royal lantern]

"delay a bit"

[quiet oar]

"Garrot me Daddy Whisp"

[dawn haven]

"You wasted a global and missed me. Greedy bastard."

Yeh idk man I just have to look at the top right of my screen with 7000000 buffs to track my second sepsis window

To try and min max the garrote uptime

[earnest remnant]

i just have this glow on sepsis that shows me the buff duration for both parts

[spice surge]

You dont need to do anything special at all for a sepsis tracker though, you can just do a template one

And boom

[dawn haven]

I'm dumb and don't know jack about making anything remotely close to a WA tho

[quiet oar]

I wish i wasnt trash and would actually look at those weakaura packs

[earnest remnant]

i mean mine is just a paid ui

i just changed some icons, colours and ordering of some abilities

[spice surge]

Press template > buffs > sepsis

Anything in the template section is incredibly simple and easy to manouver

[dawn haven]

Now I'm going to do the template thingy, AND get a seperate weakaura because I found a cool one

[quiet oar]

I have to put the Bleeds around my character to not ignore the uptime

[earnest remnant]

best example i cannot stand Shiv's icon so we turned that fcker into toxic blade

[quiet oar]

Toxic blade

[dawn haven]

opinion

[spice surge]

Theres so many people that still have the nightblade icon as sub

[earnest remnant]

im people

[dawn haven]

ngl the nightblade icon is so cool

[quiet oar]

Wait

I thought you are Raccoon

[dawn haven]

Raccoon are people too

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

rats

they're all rats

[wooden radish]

like Naowh's/atrocity?

[spice spire]

His UI is actually bespoke

[earnest remnant]

its atrocity

[spice spire]

It’s tailored to his every need and perfected down to every pixel

Don’t ruin the joke

[earnest remnant]

its actually my favorite thing to annoy Mal when there is a 1 pixel misalignment on the rogue ui

makes my day

[dawn haven]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-20277729

[spice spire]

Poor mal, they just want to exist

[dawn haven]

Can't wait to get the dagger from megadungeon this week

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

[weary ice]

Brand new patch! I bet they fixed exsang didn't they 😄

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire when we farm daggie?

[gilded oasis]

notter posted one. I think Whispyr uses an edited version of that, works well

[balmy condor]

we'll find out when 10.2 PTR happens

not today though

[spice surge]

He probably meant that .7 bugfixed exsang

But i very much doubt that

[dawn haven]

Ah, cheers.

[balmy condor]

oh

[weary ice]

😦

[balmy condor]

yeah no that's not happening lmao

exsang is gonna be gone

that's the next exsang change you'll see

[weary ice]

Oh well that's even better lmao

[gilded oasis]

renamed to not-exsang

buffed by 5000%

huge

[weary ice]

you might say 5000% of 0 damage is still 0.
I say you're just reading logs wrong. It's fine.

[spice spire]

10.2 king

[subtle kiln]

^ pin dis

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord @spice spire next week for sure

[versed mica]

Why anyone would want exang to be good is beyond me tbh

[spice surge]

Theoretically a burst cd that makes your bleeds tick faster is cool

[gilded oasis]

it grew on me..kinda...like cancer

[spice surge]

But the way you have to set it up and the way it interacts with all your other spells isnt fun for a lot of people

[quiet oar]

The only Iteration of exsang that was fun was Legion s1

Change my mind

[tired terrace]

is assassination rogue in a decent spot right now? How does the rotation feel to play nowadays - thinking about picking it back up as an alt

[blazing jewel]

its pretty pog in raid atm

very high st damage

[tired terrace]

yeee dmg looks good but is rotation fun?

[blazing jewel]

kind of weird to pick up at first because the timings are strange

[tired terrace]

i remember it feeling very clunky last time i was playing around with it which was end of last xpac

[blazing jewel]

but a few mins on the target dummy and it makes sense

[tired terrace]

assass is def my favorite spec though, i usually only hit up rogue when it's doing well

[spice surge]

Just goes to show that its actually pretty well balanced if a 5% buff makes you go from among the worst specs to decently high

[tired terrace]

lotta changes coming in 9.2 for rogue i'm hearing though?

[versed mica]

Part of the reason the buff was good was due to auto attack damage being increased on top of it

They usually don't do that

[runic hinge]

The last tier set in SL wasn’t a bad version I think? But I also didn’t play much rogue then

[quiet oar]

Sl Tierset forced you to play ct in st

Didnt Touch that

[versed mica]

I don't mind CT in st as long as I don't feel starved doing it

[storm forum]

Last season of bfa was BiS

[spice spire]

sofo wasn’t even that bad

Smdh

[balmy condor]

sofo my balls in your mouth

[spice spire]

Okay

[runic hinge]

Yes but I think the idea of your bleeds ticking out twice as fast during vendetta without having to do the setup exsang currently requires was a better implementation

Like you just apply and they tick out faster and then reapply and they still ticking fast until vendetta is over

That being said my brain couldn’t work it out and I didn’t wanna ct in single target so I stayed feral for one more season

[swift moss]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[swift moss]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[split grail]

Just got a wowhead news alert about updated class guides. Nothing has changed for us, right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[split grail]

Thanks for a quick and simple answer 🙂

[spice surge]

Whispyr spending an entire 0 seconds of updating the guides for 10.1.7

[balmy condor]

correct

:)

[spice surge]

Probably gonna need some more seconds updating for 10.2

[quiet oar]

Lazy whisp fr

Like so much stuff changed

[balmy condor]

where would you go to find out that assassination rogue could use night elf heritgage armor

[gilded oasis]

ask Whispyr

[balmy condor]

or what talents to run for the 15 minute quest line that the patch introduced

with 7 minutes of cutscenes

[storm forum]

Kingsbane BiS when every fight is broken up by 1 minute of talking

[quiet oar]

Where to bind the New pings?

Mut?

Env?

[balmy condor]

what abilites do I bind my trinket ping to

[gilded oasis]

bless

[quiet oar]

Yes

Just bind Trinket, ping and tea to envenom

Less buttons

[void mesa]

Can I macro Ping ??? on my aug whenever I sepsis?

[quiet oar]

Wouldnt DM make more sense

[void mesa]

Sepsis leads to DM, want it a bit early 🙂

[spice surge]

Why do you want aug buffs anyway

[void mesa]

To be toxic

[quiet oar]

Eleem asks the Real question

Fuck aug buffs

Cancelaura them

[spice surge]

Just toxic to yourself when you think you had a great pull and then look at logs and find out you got a green parse

[void mesa]

You should How
Not Why

Yeaaaah

It does feel good to like

Be 5th, open wclogs

Be 2nd

[quiet oar]

Im trying not to cry

Because that never happened to me

[void mesa]

On mage I got aug most of the time and quite a few PI

Rogue is solo life

[gilded oasis]

our 1 aug never leaves ranged

also is dead

[quiet oar]

One of our aug doesnt Hit the right Person and Hits me accidentely

Because in raidframes im near the Person who is supposed to be buffed

[gilded oasis]

he should just macro it 4 head

[subtle tundra]

wait, you can?!?

[quiet oar]

Yes

Afaik

[subtle tundra]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i want to resub rn

[quiet oar]

Just to fuck with augs?

[subtle tundra]

yes

fuck them

[quiet oar]

Can already Do this as outlaw

Blade flurry doesnt get attributed

To them

[subtle tundra]

yea but outlaw is cringest thing alive

[void mesa]

Lmao, cancel aura the EM is so troll

Aug like "did I grey parse???"
EM with no uptime

[quiet oar]

With ping and trinkets right?

[candid goblet]

Anyone bored enough to review my heroic Kazzara log?

[quiet oar]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[candid goblet]

Don't think I made fundamental mistakes, but the ilvl parse is completely dogshit

I'll try analyzer

[void mesa]

Id love to if I was home

[quiet oar]

Ilvl parse isnt a good indication

[void mesa]

But ilvl can be skewed by plenty of things

[candid goblet]

whats a good indication?

[void mesa]

Sim to a degree

Otherwise its just reviewing the log itself and not just the results

[quiet oar]

Sim

Like if you simming 120

And you did 110k

Its okish

[void mesa]

Ilvl can be skewed with where you are in the bracket and people having different items/trinkets

And huh, kill timer fucks over performances

[quiet oar]

Kill timer

Crit rng

Sophic rng

Buffs

[candid goblet]

I sim for 142k across 3 minutes

and did 139k on Kazzara

and apperantely thats a 50 parse

[quiet oar]

Seems fine

[void mesa]

What ilvl

[candid goblet]

447

[subtle tundra]

maybe you didnt stay behind the boss all the time, you had a bad laser or two

[void mesa]

Bruh

[quiet oar]

Yeah because heroic kazzara is a speed kill

[void mesa]

At that lvl farming H logs, there are not many people im sure

[quiet oar]

Like some guilds like it under 2 Minutes?

I mean ideal would be 2:30?

[grim tangle]

it's the first day of the new partition

[void mesa]

2:40 with double beacon?

[quiet oar]

True

[candid goblet]

on the same kill, theres another Assa Rogue who is 446 ilvl and did 157k dps

[storm forum]

My ilvl parses went from Grey to purple once I got my 447 dagger

[spice surge]

Another new partition on wcl 🛏️

[void mesa]

Crits, rng, PI, timer, etc

[candid goblet]

20k dps difference though?

almost 20k

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[storm forum]

Ilvl parses now decided solely by main hand ilvl

[quiet oar]

If He high rolls stuff

[spice surge]

Looking at any parses rn is kinda pointless because theres been so few of them

The stats are going to be absolutely whack

[candid goblet]

ok but if I can at least confirm to not have made any fundamental mistakes there

I can sleep tight knowing that it was just RNG

[balmy condor]

20k dps difference is within pull to pull variance on big boy speed kills like that

[candid goblet]

I don't think my log counted for 10.1.7

[balmy condor]

are you EU?

[candid goblet]

ye

[balmy condor]

ye unluck

[void mesa]

Definitely yeah

[candid goblet]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/t9DBkQzA6xaV1hC7/58-Heroic+Kazzara,+the+Hellforged+-+Kill+(2:54)/Fatalitý/standard

everything was fine according to Analyzer

except for Vanish usage which I assume Wowanalyzer isn't updated for it

[earnest remnant]

i just briefly looked at the log

you ran beacon vs his Nelth trinket you had 0 crits with beacon

[quiet oar]

Zera

You had zwo beacon casts

And both didnt crit

[balmy condor]

get fucked

[earnest remnant]

he had 26% sophic and and 20% nelth

you had 8% sophic

you got shafted

[gilded oasis]

love how rng our parses have gotten

[candid goblet]

yes and I'm seeing now I procced sophic only once

which was also outside of cd's

[quiet oar]

Yes

RNG is fun atm

[gilded oasis]

dont get aug? dont get PI? Dont have beacon crit? dont get sophic proc? get fucked idiot

get a mechanic?

[quiet oar]

Like you Do your Rotation

And blizz said

Nope

Not this time

[candid goblet]

ok well I can live with that, I was just worried it was some rotational massive error

[earnest remnant]

also think you couldve optimized imp garrote uptime a bit

[storm forum]

I wonder if rwf Augs will have WAs to track trinket/enchant procs to decide who they need to buff

[quiet oar]

I hope augs get changed

[candid goblet]

using first sepsis proc a bit closer to 1st Deathmark?

[quiet oar]

So we dont See the circle of doom in rwf

[earnest remnant]

more like shift your usage around

2:54 fight

so only 2 sepsis casts anyway

[quiet oar]

Smart raccoon

[earnest remnant]

so you would delay 2nd sepsis for 2nd dm and just use Vanish to max imp garrote in between them

[candid goblet]

Tbh I had no idea how long the fight was going to last, you never know with random people

[earnest remnant]

when i say in between i mean in between sepsis casts

[quiet oar]

Like sark

[earnest remnant]

kinda yeah

[quiet oar]

To Prolong garrote

[earnest remnant]

ive had to think a bit outside of the box due to how our kill timers are, and Whispyr and Oxi has been a huge help for me

massive shoutout to those 2

[quiet oar]

Oxi such a Supportive wife of yours

[candid goblet]

I'm a bit confused, when you cast Sepsis on 1:30, doesn't that give us 100% uptime of Imp Garrote between 1:30-2:22 ish?

aren't we content with that

[quiet oar]

Yeah but having that time in dm

Is better

When you dont get another Sepsis or DM

[earnest remnant]

you dont delay sepsis alot

its like 15 sec

[candid goblet]

hmm

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc7Ag1r2tjc

[earnest remnant]

oh shit

[balmy condor]

oh shit

[earnest remnant]

yeah i heard from oxi

[drifting cloud]

yt video 👀

[earnest remnant]

you started making videos

[candid goblet]

I guess having it up after DM is valuable too? coz of the 4 set and the execute window

[balmy condor]

this is my cook for 10.2

[candid goblet]

the imp garrote I mean

[earnest remnant]

Haiya

im whispyr

new catchphrase

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

the 4 set doesn't really matter in this case because garrote doesn't do nature damage

[candid goblet]

ah true

[balmy condor]

that is something you can also plan around though

technically moving the sepsis after deathmark is better

if you can pull it off

[candid goblet]

so we want post-Deathmark imp garrotes purely because of the extra execute damage?

[balmy condor]

but that requires quite a bit of foresight

[candid goblet]

on a 3 minute fight scenario

[balmy condor]

yeah

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

but it's also just an extra vanish cast

if you sepsis on pull with deathmark and then hold for 2 min you miss that cast

[quiet oar]

Rupture does a little bit nsture dmg with Tierset

Right

[balmy condor]

yes

it's not really worth doing anything for

you just play normally with everything

[agile osprey]

@keen spruce @pure moth agane

[quiet oar]

No was just thinking what the 2set was

[balmy condor]

yeh

rupture 40% ct 20%

[candid goblet]

Man I wanna apply to another boost run, just to put all this new-found information to test

and hopefully with slightly better rng

[balmy condor]

the rng part matters more

[keen spruce]

i'm mercenary raiding on my warlock

with my friend's guild

[slow needle]

Yooo Whispyr video content.

[keen spruce]

go without me

tell my story

[candid goblet]

I hope my beacon isn't much worse than nelth trinket though, coz I don't have that one

[quiet oar]

Shmeeps0logswl

[storm forum]

Bacon is BiS if you always crit

[balmy condor]

I learned how to video edit in like, 2 days, I have 1 more video I want to get done before 10.2 but uh, thought I had another week and now it's looking like I don't have that week cause it's tomorrow so

might be a 3am whispyr today again

[pure moth]

im loading game now

[slow needle]

Sin M+ guide when? 🙂

[balmy condor]

10.2

I'm waiting on doing anything major guide-wise until we actually like

know what we're dealing with

[slow needle]

That makes sense.

[storm forum]

Every patch I think about doing a priest video but then I get halfway through the script and get distracted by something and forget about it

[balmy condor]

but I'm hoping that videos explaining the new stuff helps

supplementary to the traditional giga pin

reading sucks

so like idk

[quiet oar]

I mean

[balmy condor]

less reading good

brain small

make youtube video

smile

[storm forum]

I love reading

[slow needle]

I think having both is good tbh.

[quiet oar]

Did you put Subway Surfer in the right corner

For zoomer

[storm forum]

Listening sucks

[slow needle]

Especially because of your previous views on video content getting outdated quickly.

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean there will still be the faq and the pins and the wowhead stuff

[storm forum]

Videos get a nice pinned comment when things get out of date, linking to the next video

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to stay very firmly in the realm of easy-editing so if something does end up being outdated i won't feel as bad that I have to re-do things

but yah

outdating definitely a concern

idk

hoping to do it in a way that isn't a lot of work but isn't just me sitting in front of a camera rambling for 15 minutes

[storm forum]

What about rambling over a powerpoint

[balmy condor]

if it works it works, if it doesn't we tried

[quiet oar]

I mean its 50/50

[balmy condor]

yeah

either works or it doesn't

[quiet oar]

Like beacon

[storm forum]

100/0 if you set your expectations of "works" low enough

[balmy condor]

also true

[quiet oar]

True

But its the whispyr

There are no low expectations

Pressure is on

[balmy condor]

brother I downloaded my first video editing software a week and a half ago

my expectations are basement level

[candid goblet]

Btw, if you knew that this fight would last 3 minutes instead of 2:30, you wouldn't have used Vanish on 0:42 right?

[storm forum]

Expectations are video doesn't get corrupted

[balmy condor]

expectations are it uploads without shattering peoples eardrums when they click it

[quiet oar]

But thats zoomer Humor

[balmy condor]

I'm the youngest boomer in the discord man

[quiet oar]

You indeed are

[earnest remnant]

3min flat i would still do it, you dont get another sepsis and you would just use the 2:40 vanish for garrote uptime during execute

[quiet oar]

Never saw a early 20s boomer

[slow needle]

I kinda wish we'd heard what Sin cds sound like.

[candid goblet]

oh yeah I forgot that Vanish would just come back up anyways lol

[earnest remnant]

i need to do some cd planning for Sark

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

now i wish i was as smart as whispyr

[balmy condor]

I don't know what sin cds sound like to be fair

I haven't played with sound in 5 years

[slow needle]

You never hit play in FL?

Oh, right yeah. There was context to that I didn't give.

[balmy condor]

that FL video was a piano

all the icons had to be overlayed in post it was awful I hated it

[spice surge]

If you get autumn is it worth to get an extra sepsis in p1? Guess not since then you'd need to hold vanish to have garrotes for DM at 2 min

[balmy condor]

at one point in here I talked about how 2 min and 1:30 cooldowns are just a 4:3 syncopation though

[agile osprey]

Room for 1 more rogue if anyone wants to attempt getting the dagger from mega dungeon tonight

[earnest remnant]

cuz if you look at this the latest we are gonna phase p2 is 2:53 ish

makes Vanish awkward

[spice surge]

Youre aiming for a pre 2nd add push ye

[earnest remnant]

yes sir

also dont mind the cds in p3 its just me being bad in that picture

[spice surge]

Should be worth more to DM with the stacks at 4 min rather than waiting for pot no?

[earnest remnant]

that was what i wanted to test

but ended up doing neither

so xDDDD

p3 is gonna be 2:30 long so i will only get 1 dm and 2 sepsis casts

its more Vanish im trying to figure out

[spice surge]

Oh right youre coming up way earlier so you wont have stacks for DM

[earnest remnant]

yuup

[spice surge]

But ye idk if theres a good way to get good value out of vanish here

[earnest remnant]

kill timer on the boss should be around 5:25

with some napkin math

so im not gonna delay for pot either

[spice surge]

Guess you just vanish immediately after coming up for p3

And dont use it in p2

[earnest remnant]

that was what i was thinking

gives me 2 uses in p3

as well

@balmy condor sepsis garrotes is what in total 36?

sec

dont remember the number

[balmy condor]

18 from base, 10 second sepsis

18 second after

so if you're max pandemic from the first

and you sepsis gar

[earnest remnant]

so 46 with max pandemic

[balmy condor]

that would be 23 at 9 seconds left, 10 second buff, would be 4 seconds, you get full pandemic from 18

so 41

[earnest remnant]

hmmge

[balmy condor]

cause you're not getting max pandemic on both

23+23 isn't possible

you can do 23+18 though

which is what that is

[earnest remnant]

my sepsis garrotes are gonna cover 96% of p2 then

dont need vanish

cool

ty

would probably put a normal garrote on the boss instantly as i come up then

to get as much pandemic as possible

[spice surge]

Ye but then you'd have 6 seconds of non-empowered garrotes during your haste buff

And that seems not great

[earnest remnant]

Also true hmmge

[balmy condor]

@slow needle here, have a quick piano thing, which is uh, 64 minutes of assassination cooldowns

raid time

[earnest remnant]

might have an idea need to look at my vod from last week tho

[gusty mirage]

pls no self promotion

[balmy condor]

it was relevant to the conversation happening

[gusty mirage]

you're banana'd kid

[balmy condor]

actually

[slow needle]

You joke but after 6 hours of just Crab Rave during Halondrus prog I will listen to anything as my raid music. I'll report back tomorrow.

[balmy condor]

YOURE banana'd

[gusty mirage]

do it pussy

[balmy condor]

I don't want to I'm scared the bug still exists

[gusty mirage]

wdym zine can fill in the gap in moderating

he's done an upstanding job this year

[drifting cloud]

🍌

[earnest remnant]

okay we got the tech

i max pandemic a garrote just as we get sent down into intermission

[silk bane]

does it actually last long enough?

[earnest remnant]

so i have a 23 sec garrote as i go down and its roughly 17-18 sec for us to come up

[spice spire]

!banana @spice spire surely

[earnest remnant]

just need to get the green light to drop a puddle right under Sark xD

[earnest remnant]

you are gonna give zine ptsd

[spice spire]

good that mf needs it

[shy pecan]

Can you send me a banana?

[thorn lynx]

Does anyone have a weakaura for Sepsis? I am looking for one that shows the 10 sec timer AFTER the Sepsis buff ends.

[gilded oasis]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[thorn lynx]

Will try it out, thank you @gilded oasis

[candid goblet]

Watching whispyr’s video inspired me to plan cd’s on a personally chosen fight length

Which is 3:30

0:06 Sepsis
0:07 DM

0:40 Vanish

1:36 Sepsis

2:45 Vanish

2:55 DM
3:06 Sepsis

3:30 Fight ends

Hope its not too far off

[dawn haven]

Shouldn't be holding that DM for like 48s

[earnest remnant]

holding makes no difference

when you arent losing a cast

[dawn haven]

Just helps the sepsis

Since he misses casts of sepsis in the fight

Prbly due to holding for the DM

[earnest remnant]

doesent lose a cast of that either

[dawn haven]

wait

yeh wait wtf my brain

[earnest remnant]

0-1:30-3min

[dawn haven]

I shouldn't be typing in here when I wake up

Actual monkaW info

[candid goblet]

Actually, if the fight lasted 4:00 instead of 3:30, I think its still the same thing

[pure bridge]

I already hate this dagger.

[candid goblet]

Just +30s delay on last casts of all 3 abilities

[cerulean nest]

can you endlessly farm heroic megadungeon?

@balmy condor really nice video. hope you make em for all bosses next tier lol

[balmy condor]

ty

[balmy condor]

same rules apply, if you random heroic into it, yes

but if you specific queue, it's gonna lock you

[cerulean nest]

christ

so can you random queue, eat the leaver penalty, and repeat?

until you get it

[balmy condor]

I guess

[cerulean nest]

wait heroic is only daily lockout though right?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[cerulean nest]

ez

love this for me

[runic hinge]

I’m not simming it because I just don’t wanna know

I’m assuming using 2 will be bis next patch so I’ll have to be in there enough then

[balmy condor]

unless there's a special dagger from raid I guess yeah

1 will be bis for sure from m+

at least for offhand

[gilded oasis]

im came in 7th for zskarn.. of 8.. Im doin it living the domb disarming and golem chasing dream

[dawn haven]

No farming heroic for me.

424 Nick is equal to 450 Sark dagger. Nice.

[warm sleet]

Are you guys running crimson tempest for mythic sark?

[drowsy aspen]

no, adds die too fast

[balmy condor]

no

you play this on every boss

[keen spruce]

i'm the greatest warlock mercenary alive

[gilded oasis]

idk I saw Stealthi play KB

wrong S dude

they all look the same

[balmy condor]

@earnest remnant you guys killed nelth 1:45 faster than my guild

help

7 min nelth kill

in september

toaster bath

[earnest remnant]

it is what it is

[balmy condor]

I also don't have windfury

it's joever

[sharp falcon]

recruiting an enh so u can have wf is a valuable skill

so it's reasonable to say, skill issue

[balmy condor]

yeah except my raid is 40% mage/evoker/warlock

3/5 exodia

[oak sky]

what if there was an enh but you didnt get wf anyways

[oak sky]

WAIT VELUSHA WENT TO YOU GUYS

💀

💀

💀

[balmy condor]

he's trialling

[oak sky]

@kind talon

[balmy condor]

is there lore about this guy

can you dm me

[oak sky]

he was in our guild

before we died

[balmy condor]

is that a bad thing

[oak sky]

i mean

[balmy condor]

idk how to read this

[oak sky]

the guild sucked

[balmy condor]

should I be scared

[oak sky]

not scared

its nothing too serious really

[cerulean walrus]

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

What happened to ur enhance?

[cerulean walrus]

He ran out of enhancement pills

[spice spire]

Ahhh

[balmy condor]

benched this week and rerolling

[spice spire]

I'm him

[main solar]

That Varosee guy though. Probably still reeks from all that time spent farming bugs in Silithus.

[deft flicker]

Makeitplague??

[blazing jewel]

nothing but pure passion

[earnest remnant]

saved

yoink

[blazing jewel]

I feel 129k on mag

in piss gear

was pretty solid

I think I simmed 132 after I got anvil

[keen spruce]

was that all today?

I can't imagine 113 on nelth will be more than like

low blue at best

for me

[blissful forge]

poggies

first vault after i swapped assa

[keen spruce]

[kind talon]

Oh no

💀

[uncut dragon]

what about burst of speed? any chance for perma-sprint?

[deft flicker]

Unlikely but could be cool for clearing legacy content

[tired night]

Is there a target count where FoK is a better builder for single target damage?

[steel ridge]

What

[deft flicker]

The f-word

[steel ridge]

Funnel? 😂

God pls

[deft flicker]

[gusty mirage]

3+

Oh well I guess, mutilate would be more priority damage still

But typically fok is the better builder for overall damage on 3+

[tired night]

Okay cool. Im mostly talking for like p3 nelth and P2 and 3 on sark

[steel ridge]

ignore adds

only swap for big adds

[versed mica]

It's normal for me to get to the point where haste mastery gear is delicious for sin yeah?

[steel ridge]

yes

[versed mica]

Feels weird that sims are telling me to lose 1000+ crit

[steel ridge]

it happens

[versed mica]

for more haste

[steel ridge]

You might even use mastery runes

[rotund oak]

ok.so i went to the GV today

had my mind on looting a 447 outlaw wpn

ive forgot to swap my loot spec from yday,was farming heart-piercing dagger on underrot

guess what came in my GV today

(yes it was a 444 heart-piercing stalachite 🤣 )

[leaden cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[runic terrace]

!talents

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

one of these

[runic terrace]

Thanks mate

[tired night]

Why does class trinket seem to be a lot more popular than essence? I thought essence usually simmed higher

[balmy condor]

class trinket sims higher usually

it's just very inconsistent

[hearty reef]

Oh, im using call just because the sim told so

[rotund oak]

SbS feels 10 times better playing around

we dont play exsang do we

[balmy condor]

no

exsang sucks

[rotund oak]

ok,stepsis is stronger ST

:S

stepsis it is

[balmy condor]

yes that's why people play it

[rotund oak]

personally i dont like it at all

think its cringe

but if the dmg is there

whatever

[balmy condor]

it's 1-1.5% better than bone spike

[rotund oak]

yeah

assa is so pumpy idk why ppl say ''it sucks''

f's wrong with ppl

[balmy condor]

they play m+

[rotund oak]

they dont use their brain most likely

[balmy condor]

no

they just play m+

[rotund oak]

those two probably correlate

😅

[leaden cipher]

With sepsis ST what is good IG uptime%?

[balmy condor]

idk that's not really something we measure

[leaden cipher]

fair enough

ty

[balmy condor]

also depends on fight

[leaden cipher]

just general st training dummy

best case senario deal

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhh

like 65% maybe

60 to 70

idk if 70's possible

probably 65 if you play it perfectly

[leaden cipher]

vibe, thank you

[rotund oak]

so,i think assa is funky like the flow

sepsis is quite cool to extend garrote tech

me like

[balmy condor]

you just said you hated it

[rotund oak]

i hate it as a skill,i kinda like how useful it becomes to assa

like playing stepsis for outlaw ===>walking the plank

disgustingly cringe

here its like

butter and marmelade

garrote being a big chunk of our dmg means it actually becomes cool

[gaunt moat]

Yes, allowing more focus on garrote is definitely a plus as a DoT spec.

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor is PTR live yet?

[balmy condor]

no

it's 3am

leave me alone

[gaunt moat]

playing maplestory?

[balmy condor]

finishing youtube video

[gaunt moat]

didn't know you do youtube

[balmy condor]

I didn't until a week ago

so

[gaunt moat]

wow content?

[balmy condor]

technically not wrong

yeah been getting a lot of "where youtube content, is youtube guide somewhere? I don't wanna read wah, I'm a visual learner" type of stuff

so

we're gonnat try this as a 10.2 supplement

and see what happens

and if people like it then good

and if they don't then fuck em

I didn't care anyway

[gaunt moat]

cool, goodluck
you've got expirence with editing?

[balmy condor]

(i did and it would hurt my feelings)

[balmy condor]

I do now

[gaunt moat]

hah

[royal lantern]

if you need help with a title, just ask

making clickbait titles is easy

[balmy condor]

I don't wanna be that guy

[gaunt moat]

"Rogue most broken class in 10.2???"

[balmy condor]

new super OP talent?

and then just a 10 minute video on like

improved ambush

so I get midroll ads

I don't actually have ads I think

you need to hit like creator milestones to monetize

or something

I haven't looked into it

[gaunt moat]

you gotta fulfill some requirements first of subs and watchtime

[balmy condor]

youtube probably plays ads anyways and just pockets all of it

[blazing jewel]

Make sure to have the thumbnail face

[royal lantern]

but i want a "whisper with a shocked face next to an arrow that points at a random talent and says BROKEN" Thumbnail

:c

[balmy condor]

I will not be making sure of that

[blazing jewel]

[gaunt moat]

He says that now, but a year from now...

[balmy condor]

idk if you've ever watched me kill a mythic boss

[blazing jewel]

Just wait for them FAT YouTube dollars to come in

[balmy condor]

but I don't even do so much as crack a smile

I just sit there

[gaunt moat]

fake it

[balmy condor]

and go "yeah nice, boss dead"

[blazing jewel]

No nerd screams allowed

[balmy condor]

I took my headphones off on jailer

because my guild was nerd screaming

and it was too loud

[royal lantern]

what Progress raiding does to a mf

[balmy condor]

and then I just sat there grumpy with a headache

[gaunt moat]

gotta have a thumbnail like that if you want the views.

[balmy condor]

I bet that boat that got stuck in the suez canal would've made it through his front teeth

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[blazing jewel]

That’s a powerful sniffer

[trim fjord]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/sniffing-looking-dog-curious-failarmy-gif-16249273

[balmy condor]

it's a schnozzer

[clever sapphire]

im gonna follow your youtube tutorial 1to1, and if i dont get a 100 log i leave a dislike

[balmy condor]

It’s okay youtube doesn’t tell anyone the dislikes anymore

It can’t hurt me

[clever sapphire]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

But if you were to threaten to turn on your ad blocker though

[clever sapphire]

i never turn it off

gonna do it for your video tho

[balmy condor]

I’m sure YouTube appreciates that

[blazing jewel]

Surely

[clever sapphire]

youtube is giving me 2 20 sec unskippable adds on my phoen

that better be enough for them

[balmy condor]

Okay I need to sleep frfr

[blazing jewel]

No

[balmy condor]

Ptr tomorrow

Today

[blazing jewel]

That’s for the weak

[balmy condor]

Later

Surely

They’re gonna do it early

[blazing jewel]

If you fall asleep rn it won’t happen

[balmy condor]

And not later

when I have to work

They update in the morning

Like good server devs

[blazing jewel]

They’re going to enable it

And then disable ptr once you’re off work

[balmy condor]

[hearty reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aGRDrT2cTWLZvo7Y93Ep1y

thoughts on this gear sim?

losing a bit of crit but the gain is high

[blazing jewel]

You do whatever the sim shows as best

[hearty reef]

losing 1.4k of crit

[clever sapphire]

dont look at what you lost, look at what you gained in return

[hearty reef]

im brainstorming if these changes could be beneficial in myth echo

[dawn haven]

I can finally compare myself to @balmy condor

Are you happy father?

I can't wait for this to be trashed on tomorrow

[blazing jewel]

Keep pinging him so he wakes up

[earnest remnant]

Most of EU is gonna raid in 6 ish hours

[dawn haven]

They're gonna swamp that log

Betting there will be a 150k

[burnt latch]

How is that a hunnid this is from monday

[earnest remnant]

new partition

since its 10.1.7 now

[burnt latch]

Again???

[blazing jewel]

Partition #47 of the patch

[burnt latch]

Why’d we need that there wasnt any class changes right?

[spice surge]

There was a few, mostly healers

[dawn haven]

:)

[blazing jewel]

Some Aug hooks got fixed

[earnest remnant]

they did a few aug hooks

or a good amount of them

[burnt latch]

Ahh ic

Blade flurry finally working?

[earnest remnant]

no

[burnt latch]

Unlucko

[dawn haven]

I feel like you'll get 150k this week homie dw @burnt latch

ezclap

[burnt latch]

i hope i dont have to raid this week on rogue

[blazing jewel]

What are you playing in raid herbie

Is it a ret

[burnt latch]

I have rogue and dk

Im tryna ditch the dk tho i dont like playing it

Maybe for next farm

[dawn haven]

Hunter makes raid so boring

[rare jackal]

is there a list somewhere?

[grand trail]

Logs are reseted again ?

[vestal wren]

seems so

[vestal wren]

can ask in #pvp

[shy night]

Apologies! Will remove.

[vestal wren]

its all fine, the channels are just more pve focused

[hollow imp]

mine says 447 fragment is better than 441 bomb, but is frag a sim bait?

[royal lantern]

it oversims cus of how mutilate works

and stop saying simbait

[gilded swallow]

Heya! We have any changes for 10.1.7 for assassin?

[hollow imp]

sorry dad

[deft flicker]

Nope

[gilded swallow]

Grand, was a large rogue change coming for 10.2 yeah?

[split cipher]

rework planned yeah

[gilded swallow]

So at least a bit more to enjoy the current build- sweet!

Thanks a lot! 🙌

[clever sapphire]

just stop using mutilate duuuuh

[verbal mantle]

np

[hoary remnant]

How good is the [Yogg-Saron] trinket? It can be upgraded to 441

Its the class trinket just with crit instead of versa

[leaden garden]

asa uses mastery/crit crafted gear right ? for all content or haste for st?

[true flume]

Hey! Can someone take a look at my logs and give me some guidance on what to work on. Ilvl ignored.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/td8aPH1yx3kL6Vp7#fight=5&type=damage-done

[spice surge]

I just checked and all the timewalking trinkets seem to work like they should in simc, so just sim them

[woeful meteor]

assuming you dont want to bother just simming every crafted piece crit mast

[spice surge]

But the tldr is that neither of them seem super good

The 2 min on-use wrathstone is seemingly the best but still sims around ~1k lower than the current bis profile trinkets (bomb/oce)

[candid goblet]

I use mastery/haste, because theres a shit ton of crit and vers stats on every other gear due to Sub

[pine ore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/td8aPH1yx3kL6Vp7/5-Mythic+Kazzara,+the+Hellforged+-+Kill+(3:23)/Lalajinx/standard/overview

(seeing that you didnt get a review yet, here is wowanalyzer. Its pretty on point when it comes to assa. Also i suck at reading logs thats why i sent wowanalyzer)

[hoary remnant]

Ok ty

[hoary remnant]

Ok thought they were decent.

[spice surge]

If you cant get mythic raid trinkets theyre pretty good

[true flume]

thank you! ill take a look at it, never too sure how good this website is.

[hoary remnant]

In theory yes just depends on when the class trinket or essence wants to drop 😄 😄 Got the Zskarn one

[clever sapphire]

currently its good for assa and not really optimised for the other 2 specs

guys i did it

i got mythic edge of night

do i use it in oh?

[muted ridge]

mainhand :^]

btw whose WA pack is it?

[leaden garden]

ummm stupid question, but what 4 poisons should I use?

[nova flax]

i think that is luxthos no?

[muted ridge]

doesnt look like his

[nova flax]

deadly amplifying atrophic

[muted ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[woeful meteor]

it's zacs

[clever sapphire]

got it off of zacs stream

[nova flax]

u can also use crippling but its kinda pointless in raid

[leaden garden]

thank you!

[nova flax]

and can fuck shit up in keys

[muted ridge]

ty ty

[gusty mirage]

if you type !wa in outlaw

it'll come up in the list

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/WXF4MaBV7

its this one with his icons/bars/texts

[muted ridge]

ye found it

on wago

[clever sapphire]

i wasnt that smart, i just typed zac on wago

[muted ridge]

same, i just needed creators name xd

[gusty mirage]

bold move given his discord name

[clever sapphire]

whats the worst that could have happened

did the same with whispyrs wa

[gusty mirage]

the wago search fails you

because it has a 50/50 shot of finding something you actually search for sometimes

I tried finding a dragonfire bomb dispenser weakaura once

and it gave me warlock WA packs in the search results

😐

[clever sapphire]

how did that happen O.o

[gusty mirage]

idk

maybe I'm just dumb

[rotund oak]

@opal agate nice name my french dude

[burnt latch]

I once tried to find a weakaura for grieftorch but instead ended up commiting a 3rd degree felony thanks to their shitty search engine.

[gusty mirage]

which is a likely answer to the issue

[gusty mirage]

and that's how I beat my first 3rd degree felony case as a lawyer

thanks wago!

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

I hope you're having a wonderful wednesday Don Herbo

[burnt latch]

I hope yours is wonderfully delightful too Mr Oxington

[void mesa]

For such a toxic spec, the regulars are so wholesome

[lament aurora]