assassination

[balmy condor]

"as good as it gets"

is like

not great

[static glacier]

if it's best in the game it's comparatively perfect

obviously we're not having pre-bp sub

in the game again

[balmy condor]

what number would you like to see from this then

cause 20% is ridiculous

if it were 5% would you be happy

3?

[static glacier]

ye obv 20% is a meme, found the changelog and picked the highest number

[balmy condor]

1.5%?

[past forum]

6.9%

[balmy condor]

where's your cutoff for "this isn't interesting anymore"

[static glacier]

talking seriously? i dont think that kinda design would work for sin well

[balmy condor]

for sub even

just humor me

if that talent got added into the game again

what's your low point for being interested again

[static glacier]

sub already has funnel from extra dance / sectec casts, if they wanted to give sub serious funnel bp would have to die

[balmy condor]

oh no

you said sub has funnel

stealthi is about to obliterate you

[static glacier]

it does, it's not much though

i can find fuu's sims about this from this week when we discussed it

[earnest remnant]

5% per enemy hit up to 7 (whatever cps we are gonna have next patch)

also sub does have funnel

its just shit

[past forum]

Yellow class why aren’t u evisceratin in aoe its bolstering week, know ur place

[earnest remnant]

and not really worth to do

only in extreme edge cases

[balmy condor]

so if it were 4% you wouldn't care for it anymore?

[earnest remnant]

could even go 4

[balmy condor]

what about 3

[leaden garden]

hey! I am making a swap from outlaw to asa! gonna remake all crafted gear - what stats should i put on my missives? I aim to raid but also wanna be decent for m+

[balmy condor]

crit mast

[static glacier]

perhaps something closer to this than fok targets buff next evisc

[earnest remnant]

3 would just make it finality

[static glacier]

would be more thematic to sin

[balmy condor]

so 3 wouldn't be "fun" anymore

that would be too low

[static glacier]

thing is it needs to be notably larger than the base spell

[earnest remnant]

well it would promote a fun gameplay to me, but numerically wouldnt be good

[static glacier]

enough for someone to notice a change in damage breakdown

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's the thing

[static glacier]

or if it changes how we play

[balmy condor]

what's numerically good here is a known point

and if you wanna funnel

[earnest remnant]

honestly choice node it with sectech

[balmy condor]

you're probably looking at like what

a 10% increase in single target?

15% increase?

something notable right

[static glacier]

the problem with funnel is it gives more of arguably the hardest thing to get more of in this game, st

[earnest remnant]

make it spicy like in bfa and make it double everybody else's boss dmg

why not

[past forum]

The feral free bite talent, to me, is a good example of a talent that makes spell usage dynamic in aoe by integrating an otherwise st spell

[static glacier]

as it stands sin's aoe is constrained by cds or large setup for moderate to low payoff that needs mobs to live for ages

we get more and more resources for it but the marginal benefit of extra energy / cps is bricked as soon as we have all the debuffs / buffs we want up active

aka we build up to nothing

[earnest remnant]

i mean go do a +28 fort and the mobs live forever

[balmy condor]

this is the top sub parse on sark, filtered to boss damage. If you want funnel to be +10% boss damage, which would be like the low end, you'd have to make that evisc line do 11k more, which is close to 50% more than what it is now

that's

a tall order

[static glacier]

affliction for example sees a large spike in damage once they start spending shards once dots / buffs are up, sin feels like there's no payoff moment in aoe

[balmy condor]

for sin the aoe payoff is seal fate

and endless energy

issue is that sin atm is also just endless energy in every situation

[static glacier]

having endless energy + cps does nothing if our cp spenders are garbage on aoe

[balmy condor]

but every time I say that sin is too fast there's some outlaw one trick coming out of the woodwork to tell me I'm a boomer

so I guess we ain't ready for that

[static glacier]

too much of ct / env's power is in the buffs they provide and not in raw damage when it comes to aoe

[earnest remnant]

i hope they make energy matter again, with the new talents

[balmy condor]

idk about that

[cerulean walrus]

Boomer.

[earnest remnant]

spamming shit on gcd is boring af

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

I think the more difficult issue is that it's really hard to make the CP spenders good in aoe because they're always clashing

[static glacier]

ct's dmg from initial application isn't that high

[balmy condor]

CT could be buffed like a billion percent

but then you'd run it in single target

[cerulean walrus]

CT single target truly is the darkest timeline

[balmy condor]

it's like one solid 15-20% buff away from happening as it stands right now

that's why the tier set 2 piece is split with CT getting a reduced %

[earnest remnant]

thats the day i wont touch assa again

[cerulean walrus]

God I can’t wait for CT Exsang Kingsbane build

[static glacier]

is envenom too shit then? do they have to buff env, buff ct and nerf something else?

[balmy condor]

at the original 40% on CT it would've been CT single target time

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

well that's the other side of the coin right, if you can't touch CT, you gotta touch envenom

[static glacier]

highkey, delete ct

shit spell

[balmy condor]

except ya know

[cerulean walrus]

Bring back echoing blades

[balmy condor]

envenom is already 22% of my damage

and that's rashok, full single target btw

[earnest remnant]

with PB

[balmy condor]

well yeah

but if you're gonna buff envenom

for m+

you gotta buff envenom, or you gotta buff pb

also doesn't attribute the envenom poison application

whiich probably skyrockets envenom in total closer to 30%

envenom is already just like

a huge fucking button

[static glacier]

anyone remember MoP when sin aoe came from deadly poison

[earnest remnant]

time for them to rework CT into an AoE dot that scales with the more targets there are dots on

[balmy condor]

that's one solution

or you slow it down so you can make envenom hit the same in less casts, which would give you more room to buff CT

[static glacier]

inb4 ct gets the DP treatment?

just make the dot dmg carry over

[balmy condor]

or you could make CT spend more energy so it isn't worth in single target

or you could make it so that each target CT hits that's got 2 bleeds and a poison on it explodes

or you could make it so that you buff fok when it hits something with a poison

or you could make it so that you take the damage out of CT entirely and put it into bleeds instead and focus on the cleave

or you could do like

75 other things

because now we're just back in the loop of things to do to fix assassination in m+

which we also had yesterday

and the day before that

and the day before that

for the last 7 months

non stop

[static glacier]

remember how you felt when you heard sin was getting a new aoe capstone

[cerulean walrus]

I mean for the last few years tbh

[static glacier]

and then how you felt when you saw AP

[balmy condor]

I love AP

it just needs number bigger

[cerulean walrus]

8 targets

[balmy condor]

not that number

the other number

[cerulean walrus]

20 targets

[static glacier]

you trying to create unholy rogue

[cerulean walrus]

50 targets

[static glacier]

if you wanna make ap like 100%

[balmy condor]

I mean its 20% right now

AP is totally playable at 30%

[hidden sentinel]

Im sneakyshank not only did i keep up with another assass rogue 9ilvl above me but i got my first 100%

for ilvl

[balmy condor]

gratz

[static glacier]

tree design making us pick between aoe and st getting fixed might make sin playable

in keys

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

Yes if they fix Assassination for m+ it might be playable in keys

You’re right

[static glacier]

keyword might

[balmy condor]

Yeah

All hard hitting speculation has to have that word

[static glacier]

could always somehow make us able to aoe and st together but both suck

worse than now

somehow

[balmy condor]

Now farm it again at a higher level

Come back here heathen

Do not hide thou sins

Present yourself onto me

[gaunt moat]

I have it on good authority that CT is going to become black powder, but on steroids.
And it will also proc poison bomb.
And refresh all existing dots.

[deft flicker]

And give a charge of sippy

[balmy condor]

Sounds reasonable tbh

[static glacier]

perhaps we can spike the thistle tea

then throw needles to inject it into the mobs, making them berserk for a time, where they attack other mobs 🙂

[deft flicker]

Sippy cup integrity is more important

[gaunt moat]

And the PB proc has a chance to proc from every target hit.

[static glacier]

sounds like echoing blades turned into echoing poison bomb

[deft flicker]

poison bomb spec
bomb spec
smoke bomb spec

https://tenor.com/view/bombastic-gif-21241519

Rogues after 10.2 be like

[static glacier]

imagine aoe amp poison trigger

[gaunt moat]

poison bomb now also applies poisons

[rotund oak]

poison bomb explodes X amount of times based on the number of targets on its vicinity

[spice spire]

I don’t think that’s kosher friend

[hasty snow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bronze pike]

I have a great fix for sin

[pseudo hamlet]

Assa M+ build just needs one simple talent to make it perfect:

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

400% of 0 is 0

[balmy condor]

what's 400% of the square root of 3.5

[static glacier]

7.5ish

[rotund oak]

Went on NL got the back,went FH got the wrist,went on UD got the dagger.Game keeps telling me ''play assa''

now i need the dice from FH and im gucci

next week im rolling assa to pump dem bosses

[balmy condor]

Thanks

[vagrant obsidian]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

What was your best try yesterday

Didnt watch till the end

[fervent rune]

when do you think is the best time to use beacon in opener?

ive been using garrote SND beacon

[drifting cloud]

after rupture

[fervent rune]

ahhh yeah makes sense to get both up first

[hearty reef]

Feels like im back at calculus classes

[vernal adder]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lazy-sleepy-looking-window-gif-18131947

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-the-pet-collective-chonk-take-a-rest-look-gif-17219505

[sweet dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jade carbon]

when i use deathmark and use rupture/garrote again - this spells be buffed ?

or only this before deathmark?

[austere fulcrum]

During the DM any rapture or u cast works

Buffed ? No

Just DM

[jade carbon]

okey ty

[rotund oak]

Isnt deathmark exactly how exsang works

''echoes'' whaever bleed is already there

[spice surge]

No

It does both

[rotund oak]

wait but in the faq

hold on

no nvm ok,go it,we send on cd most of the time unless we know the timers for a fight we rly need

its jsut exang that snapshots whatever hastebuffs got on emp garrote etc

[void mesa]

[trim fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aLy11N6EaevvqQR3ewxzy4

is the mega trinket that good to use over a dice?

[gusty mirage]

I mean its 67 dps

so they're about even

[trim fjord]

Makes sense I'll keep the mega 1 then

Figured the dice with the stats is better but it's so small makes sense

[gusty mirage]

yeah the agi from 437 -> 441 makes up for it

plus that trinket is a ton of haste

[earnest remnant]

We have only done the summon tech once. Only reason we stand like that is to try and not let the augs buff eachother. Not calling you out specificly for this but people really like to say we do cringe shit for speed when we dont

Also that screenshot is not From us doing the summon tech

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[grim tangle]

it'll never be as bad as us spending hours getting ideal powers for rank 1 speed tarragrue

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-hallucinations-gif-24630735

[earnest remnant]

its great

like this is what he took a snapshot of us doing

[hollow river]

Is this what’s going on in pve these days?

[balmy condor]

Highest level pve atm is augvoker abuse

[hollow river]

[vestal wren]

expected

if there is a new spec, you limit test to find out the power

[earnest remnant]

the power from them, comes from the fact that they scale with eachother

[vestal wren]

they for some reason scale multiplicative

[earnest remnant]

yes

and thats what makes it broken in raid

[vestal wren]

[faint harness]

Feels like very few people understand the ”aug tech”

And make up shit to make it seem degen

[earnest remnant]

cuz they havent bothered to look into it

[faint harness]

Any guild with 4 evokers will get similar ”abuse” results

[spice surge]

The massive abuse of all 4 evokers playing correctly and buffing a burst class like a dk during their cds

[earnest remnant]

thats the fun bit right here cuz we literally stream our raids

[spice surge]

We had two evokers in last raid, one of them kept getting upset because they accidently end up buffing each other

Having 4 must totally suck to play during progress because your positoning needs so much extra thinking

[earnest remnant]

yeah that shit aint good but kinda hard to play perfectly during a fight

[faint harness]

But even when they buff eachother, they are very strong

[earnest remnant]

yeah you still get 2x4 buffed people

[faint harness]

Like in colours 4 evoker kills, they often buff eachother and still do insane dps

[clever sapphire]

yo imma need a rating for this M+ build

found someone more cursed than me

[void mesa]

What is this left side talent tree

nvm what is this whole talent tree

[clever sapphire]

i just got told to slow down in an 8

cause i pulled 2 packs

[clever sapphire]

ye also no idea

[sweet dawn]

No tea but bro has recuperator

[clever sapphire]

no tea no rc no iw

[sweet dawn]

To be fair I've seen some people play no IW so you can take Fatal Concotion for more damage

[clever sapphire]

i mean i did do that

[sweet dawn]

but no RC or Tea is criminal

Yeah I'm doing it atm just to see if there's a huge difference, and to see if I miss IW or not

[clever sapphire]

oh i took MA but no iw

whispyr hated me

[sweet dawn]

This is my "M+ ?????" build

[sweet dawn]

Do we send our 2nd DM on CD or wait for vanish to come back?

[royal lantern]

?? wait ??

both are 2min lol

[sweet dawn]

I meant 3rd dm sorry

So the 2nd dm you vanish to have full emp garrote uptime right?

so the 3rd dm is up like 5-8 seconds before vanish

unless I'm just playing wrong

[royal lantern]

...ofc you hold for 5-8seconds lol

like, the biggest reason you dont want to hold things with cd's often/long, is because you can start to lose an entire cast trought out the fight

delaying a 2mim cd once for 5-8seconds doesnt do that

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

where tf is our windwalker

[earnest remnant]

[sweet dawn]

oke ty 🙂 I ahven't got the best brain for planning CDs tbh

[deft flicker]

Bro’s about to live so hard

[spice spire]

I’m him

[silk bane]

no no, its not your guild per se, its more how aug works, and just because of the really weird/unintuitive positional requirements it has, it breaks how the spec will function across the different levels of gameplay, for really good guilds vs not so great guilds. I personally like it when people try to come up with new ways of min maxing something to the limit, like your guild is doing with aug

[earnest remnant]

doesent change what you said we were doing is wrong

[spiral pasture]

how do you pad on sarka as aassa

[silk bane]

I guess, idk. what whispyr and I were talkign about wasnt the eaxct strategies used, just examples of what has been done, and how the design of the spec and how it works is problematic

[worn sorrel]

Why did they rework vendetta? Was it really problematic?

[spice surge]

Because deathmark is infinitely cooler than a generic damage amp

[near valley]

You're infinitely cooler than a generic damage amp

[bronze pike]

deathmark is poggies

[spice surge]

[slim hamlet]

Holy fuck so hyped for ptr next week

Or in 2 week FOR SURE

[sweet dawn]

They generally add the new PTR with the new patch, so fingers crossed?

[blazing jewel]

Yea surely

[sweet dawn]

[frosty cedar]

Surely

[gaunt moat]

What if it'll be just 5% more damage? 😦

[shy heron]

I'm being patient and letting realz cook

[gaunt moat]

So far he only asked here one question about a rework he's considering.
i hope he'll continue to pose questions after the PTR drops

[shy heron]

He's usually watching but might only ask questions when something seems unclear so I'd take that as a vote of confidence that he understands what sin wants

If he doesn't and patch notes miss the mark I'm sure he'll be reading dissent too 🙂

[versed mica]

Problem with deathmark is it's actually dispellable by evokers and stoneform. Cringe!

Otherwise I like it better than vendetta

[blazing jewel]

PvP

[gaunt moat]

If you PvP in WoW something's wrong with you. sorry, but it had to be said.

[versed mica]

I casually pvp, I mostly do warmode ganking

[slim hamlet]

holy

Rework of the century

[slim hamlet]

PvP is fun if you don't give a single shit and only do it for tmog for 2 days a season

[earnest remnant]

"fun"

[gaunt moat]

If you consider PvP in wow fun, you might suffer from severe anti-social tendencies.

[gusty mirage]

vendetta could be stone formed too...

literally the only "counter" DM has that vendetta doesn't is evoker bleed purge

the most common way to drop vendetta was to bop the people getting vendetta'd

[spice surge]

It could not, it could be bopped though

Evoker and survival can both dispel it through bleed removal

[gusty mirage]

I could've sworn stone form worked on vendoota

[spice surge]

Nah, but you removed all the bleeds

So damage overall went into the doodoo anyway when you got stoneformed

[toxic night]

death mark is sad in pvp right now

lots of evokers and survival hunters countering every go xd

hpal being meta too

[versed mica]

Pretty sure it couldn't, it wasn't considered a curse bleed or magic effect

With vendetta even if you had bleeds removed your go wasn't completely ruined because you could reapply

With deathmark you're just done, its gone

I don't think there's any other spec that can have their main go completely nullified without CC or bubble, one having diminishing returns that you can play around, and one is on a long CD

Stoneform is 2 mins yeah, but lines up with deathmark

Evoker bleed dispell is super short

So you can't really play around either

If you're sin and go against evoker or dwarf, you're screwed

[main blaze]

You all saw nothing

[versed mica]

I saw all of it

[sharp falcon]

hey no fair how'd u get notes early

[gaunt moat]

inside imformation

[versed mica]

Well now that you're here realz, make deathmark undispellable by stoneform and evoker dispell pls

Or sub will be pvp king forever

Or rather that is my suggestion

My feedback, if you will

[spice surge]

Fwiw assa was the best for most of season 1, even with the dispells available

[gaunt moat]

wasn't it due to exsang?

[balmy condor]

I don't think they play exsang in pvp

[versed mica]

No, deathmark was just too good

With double wound poison

But they nerfed it hard in pvp

[sharp falcon]

don't think i wanna do that, but i get it

[versed mica]

Well it was worth a shot

[sharp falcon]

like, lets say deathmark doesnt get removed

wouldnt it still remove the other bleeds

[versed mica]

Yeah, but you can reapply bleeds pretty easy and your go isn't ruined

At least when vendetta was a thing

If deathmark is removed you're done

[balmy condor]

fuck it deathmark makes them immune to debuff-removing effects

[sharp falcon]

no =p

[versed mica]

TRU AND REAL

[spice surge]

It would, i think the practical difference between the two isnt that big because if you have to spend 3-4 globals reapplying your damage the go is screwed already. Its just that it feels bad

[gaunt moat]

Just don't fight dwarves

[versed mica]

The only dwarf I want to fight is myself

[spice surge]

For the most part assa pvp tuning is tuned around being a rot class and not a burst class anyway

[versed mica]

I feel like the difference is pretty big, the difference is part of your go being nullified vs. The entire go being nullified imo

[versed mica]

It is now, yeah

[prisma vortex]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gaunt moat]

Okay hear me out, what if you don't talent into DM?

[sharp falcon]

right now it definitely does matter, but it's more of a soft counter than an outright hard counter. Race pick preference tends to change, so someday there could easily be something ppl want to counter more than a bleed, and lots will switch. If it stays a constant issue that assa can truly never get away from and hurts long term viability... then maybe I'd reconsider. But assa has been pretty good over the expansion so far even with whatever potential counters, pretty normal rise and fall of power.

[prisma vortex]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[sharp falcon]

talking pvp of course

[versed mica]

I mean I agree, but I don't like sub and I feel like at the moment people consider you a troll if you don't play sub, esp in arena

[sharp falcon]

But even if something needed to change, completely ignoring dispels/immunity is probably off the table... MAYBE separate the mark and the bleed into 2 separate debuffs, so the dmg portion gets removed but the mark remains and reapplying garrote/rupt/poisons would dupe them again, for whatever duration remains

[versed mica]

That would be a lit change

[sharp falcon]

yeah being a 1trick of anything is kind of rough in pvp, esp if u want to play above gladiator level

but basically every spec can and does hit glad, ppl focus too much on absolute top meta

[versed mica]

Realz all I'm saying is that you need to completely fix pvp, totally easy

[sharp falcon]

yeah

[versed mica]

Easiest fix of all time 😜

But yeah, I'ma drop it since we ain't in pvp chat

Prolly should talk about other stuff

Like how we need burst of speed back

[spice surge]

Or sub funnel, everybodies favourite assassination discussion

[balmy condor]

brother I hate you

if I have to see one more person make some ridiculous suggestion

I might actually go nuclear

[versed mica]

Burst of speed coming back is a level headed, smart, sophisticated idea

[gaunt moat]

Does anyone have that image meme that shows all the assassination nerfs in PvP since DF launch?

[earnest remnant]

buff aug

[versed mica]

Real talk though I was cooking the other day

[balmy condor]

do not

[versed mica]

LMAO

[sharp falcon]

what if, what if

[balmy condor]

I will mute

Idc anymore

mod abuse will make the streets run red

[versed mica]

But no like, what if we had an ability like survival hunters cleave ability that I forget the name of

Frontal cone

And it made our bleeds tick a couple times

Or reduced deathmark CD

I just think it would be fun :)

[sharp falcon]

what if poison bomb was really small, and landed in a random spot within a radius around you

[versed mica]

That...

Uhh

[sharp falcon]

like it misses 70% of the time but when it hits ur like, yeahhh got em

[versed mica]

Hate to break it to you but that would be too fun

[gaunt moat]

Will other players finally be able to see the PB though?

[versed mica]

As a blizzard employee I know your bosses tell you to remove all fun, Iwouldn't want you to get in trouble

[near valley]

Smoke bomb being a pve button?

[sharp falcon]

add some logic to make it less likely to actually go towards enemy location so u think ur just unlucky

[spice surge]

Make it do a u-turn

So you get your hopes up

and then have your dreams be crushed

[versed mica]

Make it spawn under a mob in a different pack across the dungeon

[sharp falcon]

maybe my family's business is plaster and painting wall repair, trying to increase number of holes punched in walls 1 player at a time

[versed mica]

Corruption

[spice surge]

The only thing that breaks if i hit my wall is my hand

[subtle tundra]

so then why do mine already do that

[spice surge]

But maybe realz has that covered too with some medical stonks

[sharp falcon]

maybe give dot ticks 1/1,000,000 chance to full heal that enemy

[near valley]

Works on raid bosses?

[gaunt moat]

@versed mica
Here's sin pvp specific nerfs up to 6 months ago:

Soothing Darkness heal reduced by 50% in PVP. - Dec 13
Hemotoxin PVP talent changed from 40% to 35% healing reduction. - Dec 13
Deathmark's duplicated bleeds and poisons have their damage reduced by 30% in PVP. - Dec 20
Numbing Poison's effectiveness reduced by 33% in PVP. - Dec 20
Improved Garrote's damage bonus reduced by 40% in PVP. - Jan 10
Iron Wire's damage reduction duration reduced to 4 seconds from 8 seconds in PVP. - Jan 10
Shiv's amplified Numbing Poison reduced by 40% effectiveness in PVP. - Jan 30
Wound Poison's interaction with Deathmark no longer stacks with similar effects. - Feb 7
Hemotoxin's healing reduction reduced from 35% to 30%. - Feb 28```
There's many ways to make it stronger (if that's even needed) than making DM unspellable imo.
I think it should be dispellable though. it's part of the rock-paper-scissors.

[sharp falcon]

100% works on raid bosses

[versed mica]

Realz knows Whispyr can't mute him

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't I be able to

[blazing jewel]

Is this not current poison bomb

[sharp falcon]

he probably ignored me already, =x

[balmy condor]

he's a member of the discord like anyone else if I wanted to mute him I would

[versed mica]

I mean you can but how would you get all the new rogue deets

[spice surge]

Through the ptr notes dropping this week for sure ofc

[sharp falcon]

yeah kinda, u saying we should do the opposite? like, +33% radius?

[blazing jewel]

Add another 3 to that

[near valley]

Make an example out of someone Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I would read ptr notes

like a normal person

[near valley]

Normal people don't play wow

[subtle tundra]

ptr notes tonait?!?

thats what i understand from whisp

[blazing jewel]

I’m talking like gpu melting lag poison bombs

[versed mica]

normal person
Community figure in ravenholdt discord

Pick one

[gaunt moat]

No no, we concluded that PB should proc from CT and trigger from each target hit

[near valley]

Poison bomb bombing my gpu

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/nontargkil-gif-8979657357046104164

[blazing jewel]

Also make it so you have to select “this is an advanced class” when selecting sin

[versed mica]

Make poison bomb a worm hole

When it procs, it procs twice in a random spot in the raid/dungeon and you teleport to that spot

[gaunt moat]

Like in sarkareth? if you step into your own PB you die

[burnt latch]

make poison bomb procs only deal damage to you so that youre actually careful with your decisions

[past forum]

Poison bomb causes permanent global combat on your account

[near valley]

Poison bomb but the Poison insta kills anything standing in it

[sharp falcon]

u joke that u would want that but i wonder if you'd hate it, would be insanely blinding and pull mobs from like 20+yd away, lol

[near valley]

Players or mobs

[sharp falcon]

not that it'd be reasonable in any case

[near valley]

Defile

[gaunt moat]

I already pull from 20+ yd by accident from Szkarn trinket

[burnt latch]

Hey, that kinda sounds like the first version of outlaw tier set on 10.1 ptr

[near valley]

The true uncapped BF

[sharp falcon]

ptr bugs are great

good fun

[blazing jewel]

ive noticed there are a lot of rogue players in the poe channel

that game might have just a few blinding builds

[sharp falcon]

u mean 'other games'

oh, it is actually sub divided

i thought it was just 1 channel named 'other games'

[blazing jewel]

have you found the secret assassination channel yet

[spice surge]

Its a somewhat "new" discord feature

But ye its split up

[balmy condor]

I think realz misunderstanding the forum kills forum faq for me

[near valley]

Off-topic might as well be the secret sin channel

Cat pics for days

[blazing jewel]

the secret sin channel is for cat pics smh

or dog

and a bird

[gaunt moat]

this is the scret sin channel:
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1146207476983812117

[balmy condor]

well

not anymore its not

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

nice going notter

[gaunt moat]

fuck

[silk bane]

jail notter

[past forum]

Looks like the cat’s out of the bag

[near valley]

[silk bane]

dude I spent all of yesterday watching all 3 LOTR movies with the homies. that was fucked up. we started in the morning by the time it ended patch 16.3.7 was released

[near valley]

Extended edition?

[silk bane]

ofc!

[near valley]

I watch all 3 extended editions once a year with friends

As a drinking game though

[silk bane]

oh dude I dont think i can do it again.

it was fucked up

[near valley]

It is pretty rough

[runic hinge]

One single bird

[sudden canyon]

10.2 ptr out yet?

[balmy condor]

I don't have the ability to explain to you why that's a terrible question

so I'm just gonna say no

[sweet dawn]

nuh uh

[runic hinge]

dagger is a myth

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce
You need to copywrite your name

[keen spruce]

[sharp falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1147046579761582161/GRIMTA2.gif

[royal lantern]

i can hear the "trashy low quality early to mid 2000" music

[bronze pike]

Void elf buff stronger than shiv confirmed?

[deft flicker]

This exact song

[calm ravine]

Guys, does haste increase chance to proc Echo trinket or Sophie devotion? Like more ticks -> more chances. Or there is fixed proc per minute chance?

[earnest remnant]

they are rppm

[calm ravine]

Have u tried kingsbane in ST? Is it alive again?)

[earnest remnant]

it is very much dead

only used there cuz we kill the boss in 30 sec

[quiet oar]

Stealthi used it so its OP

[willow barn]

Do we want more haste mastery oder crit mastery for St (raid)

[quiet oar]

Use raidbots and follow what it says

[hearty reef]

Dumb question on deathmark, i need to send an IG after Dm right?

[near valley]

IG?

[earnest remnant]

improved garrote?

[near valley]

Ah

[earnest remnant]

nah u dont

it updates dynamically

it dont matter

[hearty reef]

dm double even the ones active?

oh ok

[near valley]

Yessir

[hearty reef]

then why are we delaying the second vanish to fit it inside dm and not just before

[earnest remnant]

you delay first vanish to 2nd dm

to make sure it has an imp garrote during it

[hearty reef]

like i have this scenario when i can vanish and ig right before deathmark

[earnest remnant]

it sort of plays like this

stuff can change a bit depending on kill timers

[zinc bear]

I need to refresh rupture wit ER or dont care ?

[earnest remnant]

doesent matter

spend the ER points whenever you can

[near valley]

Spend er points on SnD

For cheat codes

[zinc bear]

Ok just dont refresh rupture in shiv windows ?

[near valley]

If it's in pandemic

[earnest remnant]

refresh rupture when you need to

[hearty reef]

about shiv windows, can we pool in them?

[deft flicker]

Your first deathmark already gets covered by sepsis garrotes. Second deathmark does not (sepsis garrotes fall off halfway through, you reapply them with vanish). Neither does third deathmark (there you sepsis soon after deathmark ends, so you need vanish for garrotes). Then it repeats

[earnest remnant]

we dont pool anymore

[hearty reef]

never??

[earnest remnant]

its just full send

[hearty reef]

Ok

good to know

[hearty reef]

the first dm should have opener stealth garrote

[earnest remnant]

it has both stealth + sepsis

[deft flicker]

This too but you send sepsis soon after so it gets both

[earnest remnant]

2nd has a small part covered by sepsis but not all

[hearty reef]

yeah you resend it after the first sepsis

[earnest remnant]

which is where you would vanish

[hearty reef]

oh ok

So i should have an ig during whe whole dm duration?

[royal lantern]

pooling hasnt been really a thing for probably close to a decade now

[deft flicker]

Yes

[hearty reef]

last time i played sin was sanctum and iirc pooling was a thing

[near valley]

KB saves 2 shiv charges though right?

I guess u can say that's pooling

[blazing jewel]

any smelly sin players

[near valley]

[earnest remnant]

only you

go shower kyle

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/catsniff-catsmell-smell-cat-gif-25675708

[blazing jewel]

[blazing jewel]

My rogue is going in alt raid and I will be demanding pi. You’re in danger bozo

[earnest remnant]

im getting 4 augs and pi this week

gl

[royal lantern]

i hope you step on lego

[blazing jewel]

They want speed

Why are they using pi on you huhh

[earnest remnant]

we are only doing spicy stuff on sark

rest is just normal speed

[blazing jewel]

Where are the uhdks

[earnest remnant]

vacay

[blazing jewel]

Sin rogue is UH dk at home

[earnest remnant]

we geared up one

and he is getting brought for Sark speed

[hearty reef]

so if i can manage to send an ig right before dm expires it doesnt snap, right?

[earnest remnant]

we are testing aug stacking on me this reset

its all dynamic

[blazing jewel]

Did you the get hardmode trinket yet

[earnest remnant]

no

[blazing jewel]

I feel you could cook something up with kill times

[earnest remnant]

im to lazy

[hearty reef]

i get it but the spell is worded ambiguously

[blazing jewel]

????

Just kill morchi ggez

[earnest remnant]

i cba killing all of them

i just go in kill first 2

then dip

[blazing jewel]

They deleted my feral out of our main raid roster

How do I protest

[earnest remnant]

sit in a corner and pout

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

i made a feral in SL

they made fun of it

[deft flicker]

When deathmark expires the duplicate DoTs also disappear

[earnest remnant]

so i never played it again

[blazing jewel]

Nice

It’s been really fun in keys so far

[earnest remnant]

i have some great names

[blazing jewel]

Has group utility

[earnest remnant]

on stormreaver

[hearty reef]

got it

[earnest remnant]

we have some kekw's on draenor

[blazing jewel]

Not the twit longer

[earnest remnant]

there are 2 more

amogus

[deft flicker]

Stealth image

[earnest remnant]

better than what people call my shaman

steal this ham

[quiet oar]

[hearty reef]

do blindside ambushes steal my sepsis buff for garrote?

[quiet oar]

No

[earnest remnant]

iirc no

[blazing jewel]

My enh was named Totemabuser and they kept calling it totem busser

[deft flicker]

I think that got patched a while ago

[quiet oar]

That enh is buzzin

Fr

[blazing jewel]

Bussen on god

[earnest remnant]

bussen all the way down to bottom of the meters

[blazing jewel]

It was

Top 14 dps every raid

[earnest remnant]

imagine only being 14 dps

couldnt be us

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

[earnest remnant]

i need to bribe someone at twitch to give me partner

so i can stream in 1440p and it not looking like playdough

[quiet oar]

Just boost bezos through mythic

[blazing jewel]

He plays a mean ret pally

[spice spire]

[sweet dawn]

I take pride in some of my character names

[plain onyx]

I fuckin love it lmao

[royal lantern]

my character is named Tryan

[sweet dawn]

And that's perfect

My guild now call me Milky

[royal lantern]

the best thing about the Name is

all the different ways people pronunce it

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna call you tyrone

[royal lantern]

that was 2guilds ago

[clever sapphire]

damn

[sweet dawn]

When I read it I say it in my head as "Try-an"

[cerulean walrus]

Terran

[clever sapphire]

how many guilds ago was when they called you a foxboy

[royal lantern]

rn my RL says Trean

[cerulean walrus]

Train

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/treant-dance-gif-10120554

treant?

[quaint condor]

85 points away from KSH all sin rogue

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[quaint condor]

only gigachad me when i get there

2415 eew yuck gross 2500 cool man😎

ty tho

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[quaint condor]

i’m looking forward to a rework but i will miss playing such a low population spec

[clever sapphire]

pugging in low keys, half the rogues i get in group with are assa

and i havent seen anyone use a proper build yet

its amazing

[sweet dawn]

I think assa will still be the lowest pop rogue even after the rework

Those sub and pirate bois are a dedicated bunch

[pure moth]

what have you been seeing?

[royal lantern]

huh

sub was dead for 2expansions

legit dead

[clever sapphire]

sent in a few builds already, in my last key i had a full ST build assa with under 40k overall

[royal lantern]

people only jumped to sub cus it was strong early DF lol

[sweet dawn]

Where did they all go?

[clever sapphire]

in freehold, so pretty aoe dungeon

[pure moth]

lol

[royal lantern]

outlaw or other classes

sub channel is like 70% FotM andys that dont understand that sub is nit FotM anymore

[sweet dawn]

Ahhh

[grand trail]

Wow actually toxic

[sweet dawn]

I'll add an asterisk onto my message, they're a dedicated bunch... that swap between the 2 specs or reroll but otherwise dedicated*

[clever sapphire]

he has 4 poisons on, of course he is gonna be toxic

[sweet dawn]

inb4 KB gaming

[spice surge]

Between sub and outlaw?

[royal lantern]

remember bfa sub channel

mostly fuu talking with 2people or himself

[grand trail]

I don't know, I did not play SL at all before DF and everything else is in dark

[royal lantern]

was cool tbh

[grand trail]

I enjoy all spec if they are enjoyable to play

Assa with sepsis is kinda fun to play for me but still prefer sub

[sweet dawn]

ye

[spice surge]

Fairly sure the amount of people that swap between assa and sub and dont want to play outlaw is much higher than the group youre talking about

[royal lantern]

there is 3 kinds of rogue players

assa or sub 1tricks that refuse to play another spec

assa and sub players that swap bettwen them

YOOO OUTLAW IS SO COOL

[clever sapphire]

wait, so im not a rogue player?

unlucky

time to reroll mage

[deft flicker]

You’re probably in the third category then

[clever sapphire]

but i play all 3 specs, outlaw the least but only cause i didnt have a sword for so long

xD

[royal lantern]

SL season4 outlaw

i miss it

[rare jackal]

i dont (cause >playing shadowlands)

[clever sapphire]

tbf it was more fun than current outlaw

[deft flicker]

The “outlaw so cool” kinda encompasses anyone who doesn’t mind playing outlaw (either as a onetrick or a swapper)

[clever sapphire]

ah

i like outlaw cause i can use more transmogs

[deft flicker]

That alone is cool af

[clever sapphire]

but i also enjoy outlaws gameplay sometimes

[royal lantern]

i mean

like 60% of my playtime in SL was outlaw

[deft flicker]

Nice

[clever sapphire]

i made a tank leave before we even started a key cause i was specced outlaw and he told me to go assa (this was like a week ago)

[royal lantern]

release SL assa? lol, and at the point where they fixed i could not be assed swapping + outlaw for m+

next Patch? outlaw m+ again

last Patch? outlaw again

[clever sapphire]

tierset sub was kinda fun in keys

[gray crest]

I hated it. so much rng

I thought it was cool and it wasnt until xymox that i realized how RNG it was

[clever sapphire]

well to my defense i did say in keys

[gray crest]

I remember praying for tier set procs when the adds came out

[deft flicker]

SL on release was onetrick fiesta, so many restrictions to swap between specs I can’t even

[sweet dawn]

Unless you played druid

[deft flicker]

Or warlock

[sweet dawn]

or hunter

There's people in my guild saying they miss shadowlands and how it was good, and the response is always "Yeah it got better, but launch was shit"

[deft flicker]

Also didn’t bear and owl want to go venthyr??

[sweet dawn]

Not at launch I don't think so?

Once the covenant legendaries came in yeah

[deft flicker]

Ah yea fair

[clever sapphire]

s3 and 4 were fun

[sweet dawn]

Because it actually made the venthyr ability good

[sweet dawn]

True

[deft flicker]

Late Legion was dope

[spice surge]

As was late bfa

[deft flicker]

Early Legion was “you loot Sephuz and Prydaz and go fuck yourself with those two”

[sweet dawn]

I think that's just an issue with the past few expansions where they start off bad to play and then get better as the expansion progresses and blizz fixes problems they made for themselves

[deft flicker]

Yeah

They release a raw af thing, cook it up over the next 2 years, then for some reason scrap the entirety of whatever they dod and start anew

And in some cases make the things they scrapped no longer obtainable (which is a bummer)

[quiet oar]

Tbh

This addon had no Real flaws at the beginning

Like sl

Or bfa

Or Legion

[clever sapphire]

for me there are no flaws still, but there are no good things either that stand out

besides the fact that i can stop playing after 2 months

[quiet oar]

Fair

[spice surge]

Idk man, talents are pretty insane

[quiet oar]

True

But thats not an addon Feature

(hopefully)

[clever sapphire]

imagine they scrap it and come up with new talent trees next expansion

[spice surge]

Its a feature that was added this expansion

[clever sapphire]

[deft flicker]

Might be due to the fact they didn’t ship like 17 new systems on release like they did before

[quiet oar]

Yeah i meant it will longer staythan one expac

[deft flicker]

Cataclysm moment

[quiet oar]

In a way that its Not a borrowed power

[spice surge]

Well ye but saying its not relevant to the discussion because its not going to be thrown away after the expac is like saying m+ had no impact on legion

[clever sapphire]

aight thats true, talent trees were pretty big

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[clever sapphire]

until assa tree changes happened

[spice surge]

Dw the trees are cooking

10.2 ones are gonna pop off

[quiet oar]

DW they erase bonespike

[clever sapphire]

i mean if i still wont take bonespike in dungeons im gonna be madge

[quiet oar]

Ohoh

[royal lantern]

the only thing sylvanas did wrong

was not finishing the job

the world is a better place with less elves

burn down silvermoon next

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[quiet oar]

Weird vulpera take

[clever sapphire]

i can agree, nobody likes elves

[quiet oar]

Ok you are cursed

[clever sapphire]

whats that supposed to mean

[deft flicker]

Rock and Stone!!

[quiet oar]

That the take from tryan is now cursed

[royal lantern]

DID SOMONE SAY ROCK AND STONE????

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-gif-21824862

[deft flicker]

Rock and Stone yeeeeeeeah

[subtle tundra]

Rock and stone!??

[quiet oar]

Rock and stone!

[deft flicker]

My only 2 elves are DHs because there’s no other option

[quiet oar]

Panda dh

Do it blizz

[royal lantern]

funfact

in the offical DH art from blizzard there are some DH killing demons

in the background there is a panda dh

[quiet oar]

Loremaster tryan

[subtle tundra]

My hunter is blood elf male and everyone was making fun of me

[royal lantern]

+illidan glaives in WC3 had panda faces on them

pandas and dh are connected

[subtle tundra]

Can't even self insert anymore

[royal lantern]

[sharp viper]

You are not prepanda'd

[quiet oar]

Gimme the wobbly belly while eyebeaming

[royal lantern]

you self insert is a athletic 1.90m guy with healthy hair and skin?

[deft flicker]

Did I hear a Wok and Stove??

[royal lantern]

wow

[spice surge]

Woke?

[deft flicker]

Wok

[subtle tundra]

My hair is as healthy as it can be

I'm 180

I'm blonde

Also, I love pets and I dont have any irl so it's a dream come true

[deft flicker]

Glad to hear that tbh

[gaunt moat]

Did blizzard just confirm that outlaw is being removed from the game?

[deft flicker]

No

[gaunt moat]

I saw that coming, to make space for the new rogue support alchemist spec

[gilded oasis]

Yes

[gaunt moat]

No pirates

[gilded oasis]

#nopirates

[indigo epoch]

Ditching outlaw to give rogue an evasion tank spec in 11.0 is what I heard... (pass the word boys)

[sweet dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[clever sapphire]

Is rock and stone fun?

Or only the emote

[deft flicker]

It is

[royal lantern]

ye, its fun

its like

destiny

if destiny was good

(destiny player btw)

[deft flicker]

Except for the overclock grind

(but that one was made easier recently)

[deft flicker]

(getting bad stuff or stuff for weapons/classes you don’t like still feels salty tho)

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

Cute, you must think you’re funny

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-ooo-cat-shocked-funny-gif-14366308

[lethal wadi]

Bois i have question, how much haste you should have with Howling rune and everything for raid? i mean Whats the max haste required for st

[proven jasper]

Theres no required amount

crit/mastery is our main stats tho

for the most part

[lethal wadi]

Yeah but Almost everyone have +1500 haste

1300-1700

[balmy condor]

Okay?

[spice surge]

Just follow your sims

[lethal wadi]

will do but for some reason sometimes i think bot is insane

His just tellin me haste again at 1500

and crit at last position

[balmy condor]

Then you get more haste

[proven jasper]

u probably have too much crit

So yeah

[lethal wadi]

hmm yeah That make sense

[balmy condor]

The only thing insane is thinking the bot can’t calculate stats, the one basic foundational thing it was built for

[lethal wadi]

Also if you change your stats like when your mastery and haste coming up, it doesnt make any diff into your rotation?

[balmy condor]

No

[proven jasper]

No

[lethal wadi]

True .

Thanks all

[shy pecan]

The question I have for you is why do you think it’d make a difference to a rotation if you change your stats?

[lethal wadi]

i Donnu much about sin, but in sub when u goin into bloodlust u can use 1 more spell in Shadowdance

also if you have high mastery your finishing moves do more so you want to keep rapture 30% Increase damage all the time, but i can ignore that buff if i go with low mastery

[shy pecan]

Huh?

That’s not how any of that works for sub iirc…

[clever sapphire]

There is a lot of moment in there ngl

[lethal wadi]

Dont get me wrong i mean u can use shadowstrike after shadowstrike and u still at full energy for rest of the fight, if you do that just normaly you gonna end up with 0 energy after your evic or secret tech or whatever

[clever sapphire]

@vestal wren we got a wild sub rogue spewing feelcraft in here, take him home pls

[lethal wadi]

🥺

[vestal wren]

you can't get more gcds with bloodlust

idk why you would think that

[lethal wadi]

i meant energy

[rich yew]

Guys did we at any point in time piss off a dev that we deserve to have fan of knives not getting full combo points in aoe?

[proven jasper]

Yes thats exactly what we did

[rich yew]

Because I dont mind taking the blame and fixing this

[lethal wadi]

i can ignore use gloomblade between my shadowdance rotation and use 2x shadowstrike for more damage

[proven jasper]

i got a 1cp fan of knives in a key yesterday in a group of like 9 mobs dude it just happens

it is what it is

[vestal wren]

if you want to be happy, don't open the spoiler
||fan of knives will very likely not generate cp per tareget like shuriken storm on sub does in 10.2||

[rich yew]

np fuu, I play sin since MoP. Nothing can break me at this point

[vestal wren]

because it wouldn't make sense, the cp generation of assassinaiton works diffrently

[quiet oar]

[proven jasper]

we just prayge with seal fate my friend

[lethal wadi]

so basicly u dont have anything to funnel right? like if you want to focus 1 target u have to just put your dots on him and keep going?

[thick sable]

Assa doesn’t funnel

[lethal wadi]

Yea i have 0 clue thats why im asking

even in m+?

[vestal wren]

assassination can funnel

[lethal wadi]

Like there is nothing like shuriken for sin?

[vestal wren]

you can only maintain enough bleeds to sustain energy for abilities

so, by limiting the amount of dots you use, you can focus on doing damage to one target

[lethal wadi]

But if you keep dot targets, doesnt you lost your mele and evenom on main target?

imagine last boss, would you st it or going for funnel?

Last boss phase 2 and 3

[proven jasper]

u just st boss whole time

[vestal wren]

^

[lethal wadi]

so its not worth to funnel
also i think you can go inside and get that haste when he cast asension

so yea feelsgood

[proven jasper]

i mean yeah the haste benefits assa the most

out of the rogue specs

but ur not gonna go down on purpose for it

[lethal wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[sour elm]

I mean the fact that sub can talent into 2T rupture, we've had to have gained ire somewhere

[loud gull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-im-soo-gif-20804312

[soft shale]

just hit your macro to target recollection garrote rupture then go back to sark

if you feel spicy you can even have a focus poison knife to renew poison

instead of trying to rng fan of knives

[gaunt moat]

That sounds like a lot of work for a small gain

[blissful forge]

are ppl playing the ns build?=

or the rc build

aswell as https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/67GjkBe4Qw8opz94KcsZRn or https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9kPEQUz4xm4vnn7XyfCS5P ?

[balmy condor]

no one plays nightstalker

also I'm not sure I understand what the difference is between the two sims

is it just gems?

[blissful forge]

yeah but idk what to trust cause with he crist mastery gems i feel like i lack a lot of haste actually

[balmy condor]

man what

it's within margin of error

just play whatever makes you happy

[thorn fjord]

What if none of it makes you happy?

[gilded oasis]

delete yourself

just stack mastery its the most fun

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

[thorn fjord]

[gilded oasis]

dont shake the baby!

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-bestof-baby-kick-gif-4834772

[gilded oasis]

gooaaallll

[balmy condor]

if I had 10 dollars of haste and burger

[gilded oasis]

how many is 10 dollars of haste

20 haste?

2 dollar each?

[balmy condor]

well you see, you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10mins and burgers, now the first coke only last 2.5mins then you spend less to burgers and buy another coke, still $10. The difference transferred to burger difference not money wise

so I think it would be maybe like

8

maybe 9

[thorn fjord]

Now im hungry

[gilded oasis]

ah yes I see

[quiet oar]

[gilded oasis]

thank you for coming to this ted talk

[quiet oar]

Typical whispyr moment

[gilded oasis]

[spice surge]

Typical Pvers getting carried by burgers

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/abyssinian-cheeseburger-jack-gif-14738060

[balmy condor]

idiot pve players having to by coke and burger but it only lasts 2.5 mins

[royal lantern]

is that normal or diet coke

and what about coke zero

[balmy condor]

cherry

[thorn fjord]

Cherry Coke or Cherry Coke Zero

[balmy condor]

just cherry

[gusty mirage]

But what about burger time?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/payday-boorgir-burgeer-borgir-burger-gif-22181088

[gusty mirage]

I’m hungry 😦

[thorn fjord]

looks like its boigur time

[slim hamlet]

Tomorrows the day for PTR surely right?

[balmy condor]

ptr's usually wednesday

[slim hamlet]

so tomorrow + 1 hour

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess its possible

my money is on next week

[slim hamlet]

Whenever it is hopefully rogue rework will be up from the start

can't wait to see it

more hyped than for new expansions

[thorn fjord]

Y’all see the leak?

Or supposed leak

[slim hamlet]

which?

[slim pebble]

Normal bacon ot heroic class trinket? Sims are v close

and IDK how often beacon crits in sims

[gaunt moat]

I think that's kinda setting yourself up for disappointment.
They already said it's not gonna be paladin-level rework but smaller.
It's probably not gonna feel like a fresh spec with new abilities, but mostly re-arranging talent tree and talent balance.

[slim hamlet]

idc

I just wanna play sin without being depressed

[gaunt moat]

If they can make sin feel good in AoE/Cleave without sacrificing ALL the ST, that would be a great outcome.

[balmy condor]

only leak I'm seeing is in my toilet idk

[slim hamlet]

He just ripped the "yall seen" and left

[indigo epoch]

Nailed it.

[thorn fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0WI8E4VvE

This one

MB work got my ass

[slim hamlet]

Bellular videos

xdd

[balmy condor]

for sure a leak

[thorn fjord]

I'm not convinced

[slim hamlet]

man is always ripping the most dumbass ideas ever

insane

[thorn fjord]

But it was from a reddit post similar to the one we got for DF