#assassination

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rotund oak
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the primary stat is just ridiculous

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its way too much

bronze pike
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Ya they need to limit it to dps specs only

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Among other things, I just don’t think auggie was done cooking yet

rotund oak
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yup

bronze pike
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A lot of specs can put dps auggie now

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It’s just it’s utility and ebon tank healers keeping it float

rotund oak
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yeah

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does it give cdr as well?

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i could have sworn even as outlaw with aug my cds clock faster

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or am i tripping

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maybe im just getting older idk

spice surge
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Tripppin

bronze pike
spice surge
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There is a cdr talent, but its impractical and awfully undertuned

bronze pike
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But they don’t take it for m+

rotund oak
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huh

bronze pike
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Oh ya that too

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They have the time skip cdr I don’t remember if it effect others

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And a dogshit cdr orb talent

rotund oak
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ppl that play aug are weirdos

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like i cant imagine following ppl to simp

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thats just weird

bronze pike
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It’s fun tbh

royal lantern
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  • 99% do it cus shitvoker is in the top5 of the most broken Specs in wow history rn dracthyr_kek
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the second its just somewhat underperforming or even balanced, the playrate will drop to near 0

spice surge
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And healing is a lot different than supporting like aug does

royal lantern
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not really

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always ends up beeing the least played thing by such a big ammount that they are forced to do something with it

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i mean, we litearlly even had it in wow itself with the OG shaman and paladin, look how it went

clever sapphire
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What aug does is get boosted until they reach 3k where you have to actually know when you press a button and then you see how they stop getting rating

spice surge
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Sure youll rely more on your team to parse than other classes, but it still exists

royal lantern
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i like how you bring up parses for some reason

spice surge
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They really shouldve made sure logs worked properly before they released it

vestal wren
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support role being a dps role is not a bad design decision

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tho a lot of things support roles do overlaps with healers

daring minnow
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sin rogue shoudl be a support role. they add little poison needless to other people dps abilities and shadow vials to spells and bombs of poisons to ranged weapons, and little tracker devices that allow for better crit damage for allies and also i'm old

royal lantern
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🙂

vestal wren
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possible

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i see it this way

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wow took a risk to change the formula, and it is usually better to take risks than to stagnate

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only time will tell how well they iterate over it

royal lantern
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if anything, aug made the game more stagnate OMEGAKEKW

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be a external class, or fuck off

spice surge
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Surely its aug, it has nothing to do with mages being nerfed by like 50% and its still considered the best.
Or hpala thats been decimated too

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Or spriest thats been overtuned ever since the season started

royal lantern
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all of them are stulid overtuned (and in case for spriest in m+, dungeons all needing mass dispell)

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but aug is litearlly the biggest problem of the 5

vestal wren
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i remember some talk with peopl in the great push

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and the feedback they gave was that the combo has a synergy
and amount of tools no other combo had up till now

hasty viper
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There is never a situation where aug is balanced, either op or unusable

royal lantern
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there are 1-2 ways

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too make them atleast more even for everyone

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but overall? yeha, absolute nightmare

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even more so when its blizzard that is handeling the knobs....

vestal wren
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the problem is a support role does add more than pure dps

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so if it is tuned in a way that is competitive with dps, it is potentially overtuned

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but this is the same with utility classes provide

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you will try to cover raid buffs/raid utility befor dps in a raid enviroment

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e.g. if your raid has no DH and no druid

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you won't look for huners as dps, but first fill this two slots for raid buffs

solid mica
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Yeah but raid has 20 spots, keys having 5 make it even harder to get in as dps if youre not supermeta cause there'd only be 2 slots then which is super toxic for the game.

sour elm
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idk that is generally only at the 23+ level tbh. The vast majority of M+ happens 20 and below.

Its hard for me to get on board with metas being super toxic because it only effect like 1% of the player base. Its hard for me to criticize augs and their design because for the majority; its a really great addition

royal lantern
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how many of those 20 are actually free

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🙂

royal lantern
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strong stuff doesnt suddenly becomes weak or irrelivant when you go lower

sour elm
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it really doesn't; player skill and I level are far far far more the issue in anything 20 and under.

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like if you are pugging a 17 and they only want meta classes; you're playing with someone who doesn't understand why things are meta.

Its like when people tell me to just play who don't play rogue tell me to reroll sub because they think its better.

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plus youll see admins, community figures; high end players all say it to ad nauseum but nobody seems to listen "X class is fine in tough content"

royal lantern
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yes, nobody said its different?

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doesnt change the fact that meta classes are meta for a reason and are not "only meta in 23+"

sour elm
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I guess I don't really understand what you mean

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I think my whole thing here is; its tough for me to get up in arms about the current meta because it really only effects a very small part of the player base.

rotund oak
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its in their mentality,they wanna play whatever its best

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doesnt matter if they suck,its still OP

void mesa
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The bigger effect of the meta is more than just "whats good", its "whats perceived as good". Most of the playerbase doesnt know, understand, or is good enough to fully mobilize the meta comp, but they still gravitate towards it because at else all equal, it will be stronger

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And with that, meta affects the other specs because if you want in a 17 and arent playing a meta spec, they expect you to be 20ilvl and 700io above the rest. Of course if you play in a premade insulated from the meta and public opinion, none of it matters, but for most people, this will still have repercussions, direct or not

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Even if sin can time 20+, which pug would pick up a sin over a fire mage xd

rotund oak
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well thats pretty much the same to as what is good and perceived good

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its just the ''grativation'' that alters a bit

sour elm
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idk its tough for me to say; my personal experience has been different - I've really had no issues getting into 17-20 keys on my law/sin rogue. No issues on my hunter either.

Not saying that perception doesn't exist; but from my own perspective, it doesn't seem to be as big of an issue as its often made out to be

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obv you can't apply my personal exp to others though

void mesa
sour elm
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I just get ksh and pug 16-20s the rest of the rest of the tier; my main is at 2650 I think

void mesa
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Interesting

sour elm
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but like, I can't say it doesn't effect other peopel though

void mesa
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My rogues at like 2470io I think and even just getting into pugs for 16-17s for weekly has been a lengthy process hahaha

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Maybe you're on at times were people feel more open or something, but yeah

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Glad to hear its working out for you though 🙂

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But yeah, for me its just been the clash between playing my mage (not even fire) and any other char. Pugging is just soooo much faster

sour elm
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I will say though, and fully admit; its painful to get declined for a 16 by someone who has like 1700 Io lmao

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im like "bro come on"

void mesa
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This is the peak pug experience wdym

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Either you apply to someone higher and they decline cuz you lower

Or someone way lower only believes in meta and getting boosted and also declines

rotund oak
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higher io doesnt mean alot

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can still be boosted

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like im about 2.4 atm,came back from a huge break,1st season in dragonflight playing

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i sht on 2.8k ppl in dps and i dont even have gear

sour elm
void mesa
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Thats not the point of higher io, its just that its one of the two things that are shown before your invited, along with your class

sour elm
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"whats trick shot lmao"

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(im not actually boosted I just don't know how to play it yet)

void mesa
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Like, yes people with higher io arent forcibly better, thats just a given

rotund oak
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its an assumption

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actual performance varies

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might vary*

royal lantern
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lmao

void mesa
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I mean, yes, playing meta spec at any decent skill lvl is a 300 io boost xd

rotund oak
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playing assassination requires at least a TGP title,9/9M aberrus and 447ilvl

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for an invitation

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for pugs

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coz everyone is so pro

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😅

sour elm
royal lantern
void mesa
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Thats only for a 16 yeah

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If they dont recognize your name from the big TGP streams youre donezo

rotund oak
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idk brothers,its funny to see all that elitism in keys.Weird part is when u actually meet ppl declining u on other keys and wipe the floor with their face

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thats a rude awakening

void mesa
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Thats why I hardly pug any keys. And all my premades left the game

So I hardly play outside raid logging

rotund oak
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ild love to do keys n stuff,truth is i dont find the season interesting

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i mean 3 affixes

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gear gated the way it is

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drops are

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non-existent

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idk,its not appealing to me to que

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i just wanna farm my crafted gear and get rdy for next patch

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kinda disappointed to resub and play,should just wait for next expansion

void mesa
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I never truly found the concept of m+ great

Just doing the same thing over and over, but numbers biggers peeposhrug

royal lantern
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eh, m+ is good for the game

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BUT

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it needs more inorvation imo

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its starting to become stale

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and just mixing up dungeons each patch is not really helping much

sour elm
royal lantern
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imo its making it worse, not better, but thats my opinion

void mesa
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I remember some guy telling me raiders were just "target dummy idiots" with "no improv skill"

M+ from 2 to 25 is basically the same with bigger numbers, at least there are more abilities between N and M raid xd

sour elm
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id love to see more transmog engagement with m+ or a levelings system similar to how pvp works with gated rewards

craggy oak
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Really depends on the dungeon pool, since slands s1-s3 pool list has been smelly

royal lantern
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its a braindead take

void mesa
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Ik ik

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I basically told him hahaha yeah, I raid, your point is dumb, goodbye

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But I definitely think its a different skillset and trying to say one is better or worse is just stupid

royal lantern
void mesa
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Were all monkeys hitting keyboards

royal lantern
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m+ is so good for gear

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its stupid

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like

sour elm
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im just memeing

royal lantern
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1 of the reasons this patch feels a bit empty for "Higher lvl players" is cus you could just no-life for 2 weeks and then finished gearing trought m+ kekman

sour elm
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but honestly 12 crests frags and like maybe a piece of gear I won't use doesn't incentivize me much

royal lantern
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they will 100% gate crest gains going forward a bit more

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cus like

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yeha, its WAY to effective rn

solid mica
void mesa
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Maybe they should up the drop but gate them more? Make players not encouraged to spam dungeons and do them for drops or fun, not as a chore

royal lantern
sour elm
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idk I see some of these fotm augs playign with the toes

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and not in a sexy way

royal lantern
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like

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you just dont care

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grab a couple crests

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do crafted gear

sour elm
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^

void mesa
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Yeah

royal lantern
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throw random dungeon pieces into catalyst

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thats it

void mesa
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None of the gearing feels really... engaging

sour elm
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see thats what im saying; build an m+ leveling system like pvp has

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thatd be neat

royal lantern
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all thats left is beeing annoyed for not having the really strong trinkets dropping

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aka every healer and rashok kekw

spare cave
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implement soloq for m+ and call it a day

sour elm
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omg no way

void mesa
sour elm
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imagine not timing a 16 when you are only there for the 12 crests

void mesa
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Run into afflict with no cleanse

sour elm
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and wasting an hour to walk away with 5

spare cave
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oh i meant for the people who are trying to push

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can just q for level 23 or smth

royal lantern
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whos key gets put in

void mesa
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There are way too many class requirements and "identity" things for solo q rn

sour elm
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isnt soloq like hella toxic in pvp though?

royal lantern
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what team comp

spare cave
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get 4 other players who also are on lvl 23

void mesa
spare cave
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randomized, comps should cover most bases of purge+dispels+lust

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soothe even

royal lantern
spare cave
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wouldn’t be impossible to implement

royal lantern
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great

spare cave
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we have a soothe

void mesa
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Thats the thing yeah

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Some classes get shafted hard if everyone needs to bring something

spare cave
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there are workarounds for that 😐

void mesa
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So do you put in lower prio queue and wait 30 min? Do you not care?

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Or does blizz remove these reqs?

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So many issues

royal lantern
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ye soothe, the worst soothe in the game cus it has the highest CD, is a major dmg skill for assa, only on 1 target and melee and is needed in like 2 dungeons at best

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meanwhile druid has soothe+cr+group buff

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and evoker has aoe soothe+hero

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but ye, rogue has soothe

void mesa
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Druid also has brez 🙃

royal lantern
royal lantern
void mesa
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Oh

sweet dawn
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bUt YoU cAn AoE sOoThE aNd HaVe 2 ChArGeS

void mesa
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Never saw it written like that mb

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And dw guys, we have Cloak Okaygers

royal lantern
royal lantern
void mesa
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Assa or Sin?

royal lantern
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assa

void mesa
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Na vs eu diff indeed

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But we still both suffer with the stabbies

royal lantern
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only zoomers say sin

wary ice
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Class is ass

sweet dawn
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We are ass people

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not sin people

sweet dawn
gaunt moat
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I say sin 🐰

deft flicker
sweet dawn
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100%

deft flicker
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I wonder if there are more things like this

sweet dawn
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Monk BIS for spiteful/afflicted weeks bro on god

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leg sweep AND a dispell?!

deft flicker
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Nah this sounds too decent

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I mean the “dance for cheap shotting” level of stuff

sweet dawn
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Bro rogues can get a max combo point kidney in 1 global with MfD they're so OP

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AND THEY TAKE 10% EXTRA DAMAGE?!

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royal lantern
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PEOPLE TAKE ROGUE IN DUNGEONS FOR CC

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(you need a actually good cc class when you have a rogue in your group, lets just ignore that)

solid mica
gaunt moat
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wdym, we silence enemies for 6 seconds if the tank allows us to stealth and also if carnage is off cooldown (but also i swear they cast before 6 seconds pass)

solid mica
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IC should just be "garrote and rupture apply to all mobs within x range that have crimson tempest applied"

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Then u could fok CT garrote from stealth still

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And it wouldnt suck

ruby birch
void mesa
solid mica
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Na let us blast, compensation for healing mobs in aoe for the past x tiers

past forum
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I DM’d an unstable essence on my guild’s first kill of experiments pepeclown

sweet dawn
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I hate the timing for DM on that fight because we get asked to hold CDs in my guild. So by the time I get my 2nd DM the 2nd boss is at like 10%, and when that dies the 3rd boss does a deep breath so I end up holding DM like 30 seconds

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ssadge times

warm sleet
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I wish IC had a lower cooldown

gray crest
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@gusty mirage I love getting resonant crystals

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restive falcon
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youre welcome

past forum
gilded oasis
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hey it says sooner or later everyone sees the time knife, so theres hope yet still

sweet dawn
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Then as soon as the 2nd boss came out I DM the 1st one

gilded oasis
spice spire
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Ur an opp

gilded oasis
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im gonna opp your nose

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ok gotta drive bye

past forum
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The dispels were causing us serious mental breakdowns so that’s why we were full sending on 2nd boss. That’s what made me wanna try assa in the first place, wanted to send Thadrion to the shadow realm

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I went from like 5th on Thad damage to gapping everyone else

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Tho our roster was rly scuffed last night. Didn’t have our uhdk so probably woulda lost to him

sweet dawn
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Our WW monk full sends all CDs and beacon on pull

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and I just watch him zoom up the meters while my sepsis does checks notes some damage

past forum
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Our ret one time unironically said “just wanted to let you guys know i didn’t use beacon on pull, in case you thought i did cause i was doing so much damage”

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So now it’s a tradition for top damage in p1 to say “didn’t even use beacon” regardless of whether or not they have one

royal lantern
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cus man

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atleast 5dps just use cd's on pull anyway OMEGAKEKW

spice spire
void mesa
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Progging experiments is the weirdest CD management hell ever ngl

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My experience was sepsis on pull, DM+Vanish with the lust and pot on 2nd pot (get the double imp garrote) and then 2nd dm on the third boss at some point. Went pretty okay on my part, tho the tanks keep messing up and dying so no kills yet

ruby birch
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I’m almost never on experiments

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Never have to deal with that garbage

past forum
void mesa
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I wasnt fully sure if numbing/curse of weakness/crippling would work, but it seems to work

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Should probably poke so the warlocks use it, i swapped to numbing mid prog when tanks just... dropped on the 2nd overlap 🙃

spice spire
void mesa
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Does it work on all bosses or is it specific? I remember it also being a turning out when we initially progged Zskarn months ago

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And is it more worthwhile than Atrophic in those cases..? I guess its a question of tank dmg/ramping mechanics vs just raw dmg on other stuff?

spice spire
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All bosses

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Wait

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I thought you meant experiments specific

void mesa
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Initially experiments-specific was the topic

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But now im just thinking outloud

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Cuz I also remember a weird thing with Atrophic not affecting "environmental" damage, and so it some fights it was closer to 1.5/2% DR

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Thinking that for some hard-hitting bosses, it might be better to go numbing instead..?

vernal adder
void mesa
vernal adder
royal lantern
vernal adder
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I talk alot sometimes in outlul

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just like ass since I played it mostly of legion

balmy condor
void mesa
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So Numbing would only really be a play on experiments/zskarn? Or is Zskarn still more of an Atrophic angle?

balmy condor
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I don’t think numbing is the play on either of those

void mesa
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hmm, interesting

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I just look at tanks and pray they git gud?

balmy condor
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Tank damage hasn’t really been that much of an issue except for neltharion and that got nerfed

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If your tanks are dying to just random auto attacks, numbing isn’t gonna save you

void mesa
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On experiments theyre having issues at time with stacks going high (no idea how they dont just clear, but ohwell), and I remember Zskarn also being similar

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Like by the time the debuff was off on Tank 1, Tank 2 had enough stacks to be in danger zone. But after using numbing/creeping chill/curse of weakness, it dropped by a significant amount and let them feel more chill doing bombs

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(That Zskarn bit was H prog on like week 3)

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No idea how it correlates to M tho

hushed fable
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On mythic Zskarn you usually go with 3 tanks.

balmy condor
void mesa
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Guess its just a bad thing then, sry

balmy condor
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I mean if it works I guess

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But it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place

void mesa
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It semi did, but that was heroic prog with some AotC people

balmy condor
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Especially on heroic

void mesa
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And was wondering with exp

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But exp M, was unsure like, proportion of more stacks on tank vs the DR on atrophic

balmy condor
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Yeh it’s less the proportion and more like

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The tanks just don’t have that issue

void mesa
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Feels like I just put back my rogue hat and go

Not my problem, I just stab the boss basegcat

balmy condor
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Yeh

void mesa
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Ty for input btw

balmy condor
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I don’t really remember the last time I needed numbing in raid

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Well, before atrophic is was kinda standard

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Was useful on mythic jailer to slow autos because each auto attack was doing like 125% of the tanks max hp

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And before that…..

void mesa
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Woah.

balmy condor
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Idk, stone legion generals in nathria?

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I don’t remember sanctum needing numbing

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Trying to think

void mesa
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I mean, I guess the cases where its better are probably like

Extreme dmg auto attack
Auto attacks with specific effects that deal raid wide (and hence could be > 3%?)

balmy condor
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Maybe had some niche thing on a mid boss

balmy condor
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Tank debuffs basically never need it because it’s tuned for having just the tanks

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And then warlocks can curse on top of its really an issue

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Needing to stack numbing on top of curse would be insane

void mesa
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I guess its also a thing of us not being high on the list of "do this AS slow"

vestal wren
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you would be surprised what tanks can struggle on ^^ (if palyed by not that good players)

void mesa
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With locks and DKs having options

balmy condor
void mesa
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I mean, yesterday, I subbed for a raid on exp M, and I think we had 5+ wipes on "Tanks with too high stacks during the 2nd overlap"

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Thats when I swapped to numbing

vestal wren
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we had our tank on holiday, and lets say it this way

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the replacement tank was having rly big issues not just randomly dying

balmy condor
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But from my experience the solution typically should be helping the tank improve, instead of trying to duct-tape over the issue with something like numbing

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Yeah if tanks on holiday numbing could be good

vestal wren
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ofc its mythic so shit hits hard, but its like day/night between two tanks

balmy condor
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As like a temp solution

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But if it’s your regular tank it’s better imo to just let them die and tell ‘em to get it together

void mesa
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That does sound like a pretty valid point Whisp, yeah

balmy condor
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Than like

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Trying to rely on numbing + curse

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To get them there

vestal wren
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agree, it is always better to try to fix issues

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and not duckt tape them

void mesa
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Like if im dying to normal mechanics rot, I shouldnt just pop cloak outta nowhere

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And stuff like that

vernal adder
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being on the same skill lvl while raiding is always a +

void mesa
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I think thats one of the hard part of wow

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Finding 20 people with same intent, skill level and schedule ._.

vernal adder
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aye

void mesa
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Think ive done 10+ raid groups since S1

vernal adder
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I find mythic kinda useless these days outside of trinkets

keen spruce
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we have 4 trials in

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and our warlock on his mage

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with this

void mesa
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Excuse me

keen spruce
void mesa
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Is he playing Arcane at least..??

keen spruce
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idk probably fire

void mesa
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Biggest oof

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That would be like, basically a nothing but Intellect trinket

keen spruce
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i mean he's just an intellect buff

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so it tracks

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this toon is like 430

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lol

void mesa
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Oof XD

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That is... yeah

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No matter his gear or stats, hardly matters I guess

vestal wren
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sark cloak is quite good too

vernal adder
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aye

acoustic chasm
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These are my weapons.

should I just upgradde my crafted to 447 or keep the fang as my OF and 1 447 mainhand.

whats the optimal play here

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vestal wren
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playing new megadungeon

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and getting the dagger for offhand

acoustic chasm
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So get the megadungeon dagger ?and thats it?

vestal wren
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for offhand yes

acoustic chasm
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what about MH option? 447 or just keep fang

vestal wren
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mainhand you can just upgrade a crafted dagger

acoustic chasm
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I won't see a mythic sark kill for a long time if at all this tier

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In the meantime, move the fang to OH and craft a 447 for MH regardless

balmy condor
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Ye

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Crafted gear being able to go to 447 is just really really strong

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and then you even get to pick the secondaries on top of it

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Insane

rotund oak
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Is exsang still bugged with deathmark?

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or its fixed

balmy condor
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bugged

rotund oak
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tyty

keen spruce
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gdi now i have to run a p2 bomb

balmy condor
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HUH?

keen spruce
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we have like 4 trials in

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so many people gone today

vernal adder
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worst thing is raiding on a sat or fri

balmy condor
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idk

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I think shmeeps got it worse

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aside from the saturday thing

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just a third of his raid is trials

vernal adder
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ye he playing ass

balmy condor
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bro is pugging his CE

vernal adder
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reap what you sow or something

keen spruce
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5 random call outs today

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tomorrow will be better

gaunt moat
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I still don't have internet, can't watch 😦

balmy condor
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everyones cursed today I guess

gaunt moat
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Don't have it since monday, called ISP "yeah, we can get you a technician at Tuesday. next week" starege

vernal adder
balmy condor
#

??????????

gaunt moat
vernal adder
#

but I have used my phone as internet source for pc a few times

balmy condor
#

is the technician travelling using horse drawn carriage or what

rotund oak
#

donkey

#

its slower

#

😄

gaunt moat
#

They're saying their technician are very busy.
like... maybe hire more technicians?

royal lantern
#

gear is just a means to the end

#

not THE end

gaunt moat
vernal adder
#

my phone internet is faster than pc, I got like 800/800 on phone

balmy condor
#

wtf

gaunt moat
#

HUH

balmy condor
#

I'm running a speed test right now

#

no shot

rotund oak
#

yes because there are certain lines that dont run as fast as 5g

gaunt moat
#

my phone can barely stream twitch on 480p

proven jasper
#

800/800 this guy lives inside the Comcast HQ

vernal adder
#

I got full signal 5g here so

balmy condor
#

the 5g LTE standard is 20/20

#

what

rotund oak
#

im using my phone as @ source when im at work

#

its as fast as my stable connection at home

#

depends the provider

balmy condor
#

how do you even push 40x the maximum transmittion rate for the standard

rotund oak
#

u pay the service ig

spice spire
vernal adder
#

my speeds are prolly bs, just what they said

spice spire
#

Idk shit about phone internet I’m gonna keep it a buck with u

proven jasper
#

Bro got that iphone 26 super computer

balmy condor
#

like old 4g was 100mb

#

5g went to 1g

#

the current new gen is 20gb

#

no

#

wait

#

I'm mixing bits and bytes

rotund oak
#

yes 20gb sounds alot

balmy condor
#

I guess its possible to get 800

#

if you're next to a cell tower

#

or some shit

vernal adder
#

there is a tower like 5km away,close to sea

balmy condor
#

bro is faster than my lan

#

nice

rotund oak
#

ahahha

#

told ya

#

also,the 5g is satelite internet

#

the stable might not be

vestal wren
#

my internet is rly bad compared to that

#

german internet dracthyr_kek

balmy condor
#

I can walk to apple's main campus, bike to google's main campus

#

and can't get a fucking decent internet connection to save my life

#

I've been struggling with instability for like 10 years now

#

literally in the middle of the biggest tech area in the world

#

with shit internet

vestal wren
#

lol

rotund oak
#

u can buy ''stability'' by upgrading ur connection

balmy condor
#

I literally can't

rotund oak
#

why no optic fibers?

balmy condor
#

because there is no optic fibers

rotund oak
#

😦

balmy condor
#

and in order for them to lay the optic fibers

rotund oak
#

u need to pay yes

balmy condor
#

no

#

are you stupid

rotund oak
#

and before that u need to order the excavation

balmy condor
#

they don't exist at all

rotund oak
#

wait what

#

u srs?

balmy condor
#

there is no optic anywhere near my house

rotund oak
#

oh ye

vernal adder
#

parents had to pay for fibre to be dragged to their house

balmy condor
#

I would need to pay the excavation for the whole fucking city

vernal adder
#

was like 3k

#

ages ago

balmy condor
#

the closest sub-station is a couple miles down the road

rotund oak
#

and had to wait 3 months iirc

balmy condor
#

would need a lot more twitch subs to pay for them to excavate a 4 lane road for 4+ miles

rotund oak
#

for them to start digging

rotund oak
#

it doesnt work that way

#

normally u are a part of a ''team'' that orders the digging

#

in the region

balmy condor
#

yes

#

I am aware

rotund oak
#

then they start a program to set up fibers and the cost

#

is separate

#

and u get some bonus from the company

#

oh kk

vernal adder
#

parents did the wire by pole,cheaper

strange niche
#

!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
#

if there is the infastructure

#

else u are stack with 50year old Cu-cables that overheat

#

Its an actual shock how faster Fiber is compared to regular one

gaunt moat
#

I irony is i upgraded to fiber recently. and internet was great.

#

I flew too close to the sun

gaunt moat
#

Watching shmeemps in style. it also gets stuck every 10 seconds.

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indigo epoch
#

gross

gilded oasis
#

Duck internet only goes so fast

keen spruce
vernal adder
gilded oasis
strong pulsar
indigo epoch
#

😦

balmy condor
#

fok shouldn't be shuriken storm

strong pulsar
#

war crime

indigo epoch
#

y tho

balmy condor
#

because fok->finish->fok->finish->fok->finish->fok->finish isn't fun

#

people talk shit about storm->powder->storm->powder->storm->powder->storm->powder all the time

#

but then come to assa and go haha fok should generate like storm

#

and don't realize it's the same problem

royal lantern
#

why generate few cp when many cp exist????

balmy condor
#

and even if you enjoy 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 gameplay

#

why does every spec need to be that

indigo epoch
#

because id have better rupture uptime since bliz is dumb and puts IC on 45 sec cd

earnest remnant
balmy condor
#

what

#

that doesn't even remotely make sense

indigo epoch
#

could spam 5 pt ruptures faster

#

if i didnt have to spend as much time building

balmy condor
#

you aren't spamming ruptures though

#

you get them up with IC and then don't cast them

indigo epoch
#

i keep at least 3 up for energy in big packs if IC isnt up

#

am I fucking up?

balmy condor
#

okay

earnest remnant
#

unless you do tiny keys IC is up for every pull

indigo epoch
#

I only play <20 keys

grand trail
#

btw

#

do IC spread improved garrotes or normal ones?

earnest remnant
#

depends if you are stealthed or not

balmy condor
#

okay so without IC you go gar gar gar, rup, er, tempest

#

you got 4 bleeds up

grand trail
#

i mean if i cast imrpvoed garrote if it copy improved to all targets as my WA do not show it that way

balmy condor
#

you're telling me it's integral to your success that you must have fok generating a couple extra cp

#

so you save like 2-3 seconds

#

getting those 2 extra ruptures up

balmy condor
pearl basin
#

just crit your fok, problem solved

strong pulsar
#

scent of blood stacks probably?

grand trail
#

i was playing assa in keys today

#

do not really feel it

balmy condor
balmy condor
grand trail
#

did not feel great, i did not know where to use vendate outside the bosses for example

balmy condor
#

I mean yeah, it's not a good m+ spec

grand trail
#

and fishing for posion bomb is akward too

#

idk out of 3 spec not every need to be good in m+ 🙂

#

cant wait for ptr

pearl basin
#

what would assa even get to make it a decent m+ spec? Just lower CD IC and less 3 pt nodes doesnt seem enough design wise

burnt latch
#

Good damage usually makes a spec pretty good in m+

pearl basin
#

design wise

balmy condor
#

you'd need to add new things pretty much

#

the current structure can't support it

night delta
grand trail
#

maybe new aoe finisher

balmy condor
#

definitely not that

night delta
#

why not ?

burnt latch
#

Just slap damage buffs on CT untill assa does good damage in m+

#

Rework done lets go home babe

grand trail
#

ct feel like shit

balmy condor
#

assa's aoe options for finishers are already bloated and convoluted

night delta
pearl basin
#

Next 3 finishers guarantee poison bomb 🙂

burnt latch
night delta
#

oof, haaard disagree

balmy condor
night delta
#

ability clearly designed with an AoE goal, vital for ST damage

burnt latch
#

CT on single target is S tier gameplay

grand trail
#

its just another shit you keep uptime with

#

so its w/e

night delta
grand trail
#

garrote snd rupture all the same

night delta
#

let us just have PB as a standalone finisher

balmy condor
burnt latch
quiet oar
#

Blade flurry St poggers

night delta
balmy condor
#

we're already using 3 finishers in aoe

#

no more finishers

grand trail
#

too many and still doing too little 😛

quiet oar
#

Poison bomb could proc from Rupture in legion?

balmy condor
#

yeah

quiet oar
#

Or is this again a memory i made up

balmy condor
#

could proc from rupture until dragonflight

night delta
balmy condor
#

and then carnage happened

balmy condor
#

single target damage, poison application rate, extending slice and dice?

#

why wouldn't we

pearl basin
#

PB from IC rupture would be kinda nice

night delta
#

hm right

quiet oar
#

Legion poison bomb pepe_chad

#

RnG fiesta

night delta
#

I guess it's more complicated than adding spells indeed, however I partialy agree with you on the finishers in aoe

burnt latch
#

Delete feral and steal their shit

#

They got cool stuff

#

Gimme

balmy condor
#

just gotta re-think how assassination does aoe and then add new interactions to tie them together

night delta
#

but i'm more like : why do we have to use these ST finishers in AoE in the first place

#

that's the design flaw i'd like fixed

#

because that also plays into why we currently can't be balanced for both

balmy condor
#

but yeh

#

these issue have been talked about to death 25 times over in the last year

quiet oar
balmy condor
#

I'm gonna get a sandwich

slate crown
#

Maybe something like psychic link but for bleeds/poisons? Some transfer of our st into enemies with a (only one, or each) dot from us up

burnt latch
balmy condor
#

y'all have fun cooking

grand trail
#

i dont think this will be fixed in 10.2 "rework"

night delta
#

get yourself a panini, so you'll enjoy cooking your sandwich too

balmy condor
#

mmmm

#

that's an idea

#

maybe I will

night delta
balmy condor
night delta
#

I have faith in realz

vernal adder
#

im eating chili cheese peanuts

balmy condor
#

if they don't fix assa aoe in 10.2 then they actually change nothing about assassination

night delta
#

for now at least

balmy condor
#

so idk why you would think that they're not fixing it

#

just doesn't make sense

pearl basin
#

true, ST surely isnt changing that much fundamentally

night delta
#

probably not confident the fix will really fix what he wants fixed

grand trail
#

well realz say it wont be rework so thats why

balmy condor
#

panini time

gilded oasis
#

This guy in front of me plays a priest. He looks like he would 😎

grand trail
#

he say thats its not rework and wished we dont use that word

#

so we are not dissapointed

strong pulsar
versed mica
#

I foresee sin becoming the best M+ spec in 10.2 with reworks

#

You heard it here first folks

royal lantern
#

i foresee that either a mage or a warlock spec will be the best M+ spec in 10.2

#

you heard it here first folks

versed mica
#

Why do u always show up after I post something in sin chat smh

gilded oasis
#

You forgot aug

gusty mirage
#

I like turtles

versed mica
royal lantern
gusty mirage
#

ty for the turtles friends

gilded oasis
#

Anytime

#

I watched baseball and got drunk so I'm all about turtles

ocean sun
#

I don't have the confidence that Bliz will fix our AoE.

balmy condor
#

sorry to hear that

subtle tundra
#

im cute cat meow

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
blazing jewel
#

Was that too much turtle

gilded oasis
inland dirge
royal lantern
#

Welcome to the :3 club

uncut dragon
#

25% fewer keybinds. better st/mt flexibility so you can both raid and M+. finishers that feel like they actually do something rather than just being part of a 'stand behind the boss so your autoattacks hit and have a bunch of buffs that modestly tick damage' and 25% more turtles.

vapid sierra
#

dice bad for sin st no?

balmy condor
#

Dice is good

vapid sierra
#

is poison knife ever worth clicking

#

only if im out of range and overcapped energy?

balmy condor
#

I don’t have it bound personally

vapid sierra
#

i wanna chill on echo prog tonight and play sin lol

#

dont think ill cap energy during downtiem tho

earnest remnant
#

think i pressed it once during an entire raid

#

Sark p2 transmission just before going down to land on ER combo point so it was ready when i came up

spice spire
#

You’re sick in the head stealthi

vapid sierra
#

beacon bomb and dice bomb sims the same

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
vapid sierra
#

so for second dm on echo did you guys hold dm for add or transition? im assuming transition?

woeful meteor
#

depends on lust time

#

if you lust at 6 min post first portals on cd if you lust p3 start hold second until p2 starts

runic hinge
#

10.2 notes where

#

Someone pin herbo lied

vapid sierra
#

how rng prone is sin

#

i swear i play the same and some pulls im 3rd on the meters and others im 6th

#

before wipes/aroun the same point in the fight\

balmy condor
#

bout as much as any other spec

#

sophic, class trinket/beacon/dice

#

random crit rng

strange python
#

So even with the iridius fragment sim issue, would it be better at 441 vs my 447 Globe of Jagged Ice?

balmy condor
#

that's a tough one

strange python
#

Cause globe is doody

balmy condor
#

yeh your options are dogshit or ratshit

strange python
#

yeah

#

but also im sitting at 59% mastery.

#

So would the extra mastery be worthwhile? even losing the 603 static agil from globe?

balmy condor
#

that mastery doesn't mean anything

#

I think the choice is basically just more burst during deathmark vs static agility

strange python
#

Yeah, and without sims I can't really determine whether or not its worth farming for the iridus

balmy condor
#

oh god no

#

never do that

#

if you're gonna farm an m+ trinket farm dice from freehold

strange python
#

I have the crit/avalanch trinket from lair

#

and the globe

#

my trinkets are trash

balmy condor
strange python
balmy condor
#

jesus christ lmao

strange python
#

lol

balmy condor
#

bro's speedrunning worst trinkets of all time

strange python
#

I have the worst luck with trinkets

#

on all 14 alts too

balmy condor
#

aight so

#

are raid trinkets available

#

or do you not raid

strange python
#

I cleared heroic this week

#

:/

#

Got nothing

#

Lost the beacon to an aug voker

balmy condor
#

that's fine, just keep doing that, you'd take legit anything from it

strange python
#

and the cloak to a hunter

balmy condor
#

from m+ farm freehold for dice

#

also make sure to clear the megadungeon

#

sandglass and the mirror are both pretty good

#

if you REALLY need a trinket that bad, you can craft one of the darkmoon decks

strange python
#

They are? I haven't done Dawn yet

balmy condor
#

I think it's dance?

#

yeah

#

it's rng

strange python
#

Alright ill look for a FH farm or Dawn

balmy condor
#

but it would be okay

#

if you don't like the rng from that you can craft an alchemist stone

#

those are okay too

strange python
#

im sitting at 444 IL so its tough to take lower atm

#

But trinkets are def holding me back

#

how is the RNG on the dawn trinkets tho?

balmy condor
#

the mirror is just an on-use stat trinket

#

hourglass is a proc but it's got a high proc rate

strange python
#

Gotcha

#

ill go farm some FH and run a Dawn then, ty

balmy condor
#

oh uldaman trinket is an option too

#

the raid horn

strange python
#

I heard a lot of bad things about it

balmy condor
#

I mean it does a bit of damage to you on use

#

but the damage is good

strange python
#

hmm

strange python
balmy condor
#

if you get the dagger from the second boss that shits best in slot offhand

strange python
balmy condor
#

random damage proc

strange python
#

hmm

balmy condor
#

nothing of value just extra dam

strange python
#

Hows it BIS then?

#

i have a 447 crit/mast dagger atm

balmy condor
#

because a bit of extra dam is better than not a bit of extra dam

strange python
#

fair

#

even though haste/vers isnt our prio?

balmy condor
#

yeah secondaries are whatever

#

unless you're using like a sub gear set where you're hardstacking vers your secondaries are fine as they are

#

be like that when you don't have a "bad" stat

rapid tundra
#

For sin, what poisons do you want to be running?

balmy condor
long pecan
#

The faq still says to use exsanguinate?

gusty mirage
#

does it?

long pecan
balmy condor
#

ah

#

you found the one sentence that I missed

long pecan
#

Thats what i tought no worries hehe

gusty mirage
#

none of the talent builds have it though hmmge

long pecan
#

Yes, thats why i asked.

gusty mirage
#

shame the purple man

balmy condor
earnest remnant
long pecan
#

I didn't tought the best craft would be the "Dance" deck ...?

#

wtf

balmy condor
#

Why not

#

If your trinkets are dogshit

#

Then crafting a trinket is pretty good

long pecan
#

Yeah but i expected the alch one to be stronger

balmy condor
#

Oh

#

Yeah no

#

Alch trinkets are pretty mediocre

long pecan
#

Is dance only good when you can maximise the bounces?

balmy condor
#

Ye

long pecan
#

like, if i just press it on CD, how bad is it

balmy condor
#

If you’re stacked in melee

#

It’s gonna heal a lot

long pecan
#

But for dps it sucks

balmy condor
#

Yeah

#

It’s pretty okay in smaller groups though

#

But idk how much it trolls

#

Cause I’ve legit never seen anyone use it

long pecan
#

lol

#

i'm just hoping i'll get a usable trinket from hc clear tuesday

warm sleet
#

On p1 M Sark, what is the best use of cloak?

balmy condor
#

The group soak beam at the end into glittering

warm sleet
#

glittering surge HURTS!

balmy condor
#

Yeh

#

If you cloak the beam before that glitter you also cloak the first 2-3 ticks from glitter too

earnest remnant
#

p1 sark hurts

royal lantern
#

you used everything you have at that point, healers job too keep you alive tbh

earnest remnant
#

couldve left it at that

slim pebble
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
balmy condor
#

can optimize gems for idols as much as you want

#

they won't beat dance in sims

long pecan
static glacier
balmy condor
#

go for it

brazen zodiac
#

godspeed

static glacier
#

@balmy condor first try even xd

sharp falcon
balmy condor
static glacier
#

owait

#

you can embelish dance wot

#

????

balmy condor
#

gottem xd lmao

static glacier
#

back to the kitchen

balmy condor
#

emberscale I think is the thingy

#

thats the good one

static glacier
#

am I gonna have to get the full version of the crafted items smh

#

time to lag raidbots

#

nvm got just trinks

#

the fact that dance takes an embelish with emberscale seals its fate

#

losing toxified is an L

#

that wasn't even without scumming ring stats

#

if we scum rings then it loses embelished as a 3rd embelish

balmy condor
#

it's unique to the deck

static glacier
#

Alright, even then emberscale’d dance loses in the last sim

balmy condor
#

unlucky

static glacier
#

L Bozo no crit no vers for abusing dance PepeFull

#

Unironically though idol looking kinda good

bronze pike
#

he cooked theortical food and

clever perch
#

so Assa is now bis spec in raid for st bosses?

static glacier
#

on average ye

clever perch
#

🙂

#

no beacon tho

#

only omnious 441 😦

static glacier
#

sin doesn't run beacon

clever perch
#

oh nice

#

cuz i still dont have it so xDd

static glacier
#

for how much the trink is hyped i've barely used the hc one I have since getting it

clever perch
balmy condor
#

mythic sark dagger mainhand
megadungeon dagger off hand

#

mythic track chromatic essence for the ilvl

indigo epoch
#

@clever perch might try going outside and touching some grass, bloody nice setup m8

clever perch
#

im taking notes >.>

clever perch
balmy condor
#

might want to check a second crated ring in place of the haste ring

static glacier
clever perch
#

i do have 2nd ring with crit vers

balmy condor
#

craft a pair of gloves

clever perch
#

i might want to recraft it

balmy condor
#

craft a wrist

static glacier
clever perch
#

will sim a droptimizer

balmy condor
#

don't need to sim a droptimizer

clever perch
#

i guess i put crit/mastery?

balmy condor
#

mo already did all of them

static glacier
#

^

clever perch
#

o.o

balmy condor
#

secret though

#

don't tell anyone

static glacier
#

keep in mind I sim with howling on both daggers

balmy condor
#

it's just gonna say what I'm already said

static glacier
#

might mess things up if you run other runes

clever perch
#

i know

#

the loading screen is a bait

static glacier
#

whispyr IS raidbots, ye

balmy condor
#

raidbots loading screen is just the gears in my head turning

clever perch
#

ye xD

balmy condor
#

every time you pay your raidbots subscribtion seriallos walks into his basement and throws a stale piece of bread into my cage

clever perch
#

xdd

#

i though it was stealthi putting a load screen

#

and screaming "WHISPYR, WHAT DOES HE NEED???"

balmy condor
#

the only thing stealthi needs is a fucking life

clever perch
#

xdd

balmy condor
#

personally would craft crit mastery

#

at least then you could argue it's useful in m+ and for sub and whatever

static glacier
balmy condor
#

isn't that what I said

static glacier
#

you said the s word

balmy condor
#

useful for m+

#

and for sub

static glacier
#

the and word

#

it defeated me

balmy condor
#

rough

static glacier
#

uniornically though what's so wrong with sin for keys, it feels like you're playing well then you look at the damage

#

we just got aurabuffed, this tier set is insane for keys

balmy condor
#

yeh I mean

#

doesn't matter how good the tier set is

#

if it's buffing a disaster of a base

static glacier
#

I blame the spec fantasy

#

"A Person" no mention of multitarget

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rotund oak
#

i actually like the stepsis tech to extend garrote

runic hinge
#

It’s nice to be doing pulls where every thing is up and your hitting the buttons and you’re right in line with everyone else’s damage and then the next pull you get chained into and gotta garrote on cd and fok->rupture each mob and realize you’re under the tank and you’ve also sacrificed 10% of your st damage just to be halfway relevant on only some of the pulls

static glacier
#

realz ik you're watching 👀

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balmy condor
static glacier
rotund oak
#

sin has a nice flow

runic hinge
#

I mean I enjoy the gameplay but the damage isn’t there

balmy condor
#

imagine thinking we're gonna get that level of funnel back

#

ever

#

on any spec

#

in the game

static glacier
#

it's either that, green powder or TacoRiot

balmy condor
#

I wish I was delusional

#

maybe I could relate to you guys more that way

rotund oak
#

pessimistic whispyr is pessimistic

static glacier
#

I mean do you remember OLD feral

#

we kept saying imagine if we had an aoe rip finisher

#

look where feral is now

rotund oak
#

wdym,we got tempest

static glacier
gusty mirage
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@balmy condor how do I get nick of time to drop, ty in advance

runic hinge
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Feral aoe does feel pretty good ngl

static glacier
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ah yes, crimson tempest that spell that has interactions

rotund oak
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u said aoe rip finisher

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rip is a bleed aoe

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tempest is aoe

balmy condor
rotund oak
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the lul is on u brother

static glacier
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there's implications, rip has interactions and talents / stuff that buffs it

gusty mirage
balmy condor
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keep going

gusty mirage
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do I have to send someone feet pics?

balmy condor
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you play poe

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so like

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imagine you're farming a mageblood

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except you only get 1 map a week

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just run another map

gusty mirage
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yeah sounds like I wouldn't farm it

balmy condor
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giving up is a sign of weakness

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are you weak

gusty mirage
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yes

rotund oak
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weak lawyer

runic hinge
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I’m weak for @gusty mirage

balmy condor
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so

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it's not happening

past forum
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there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact

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maybe we’re being told it’s not coming back so when it does we pog out even harder

balmy condor
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I'm gonna get a lot of value out of this screenshot

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I already feel it

keen spruce
static glacier
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IN ADDITION TO GOOD AOE

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that shit was reworked in df launch even

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inb4 all that changes is just % buff to ct

balmy condor
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because their funnel isn't actually that crazy

static glacier
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im fairly sure it's as good as funnel gets atm no?

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every form of funnel that comes to mind atm has increasingly diminishing returns with extra targets or needs a ton of targets

balmy condor