-> doesn’t trust any trinket ever again
#assassination
static glacier
why're toxic thorn boots so much better than expulsion for sin?
thorny pond
RORO all over again man
quick idol
What is the bug with irideus btw ?
balmy condor
Seems like a levelheaded and reasonable reaction tbh m
spice surge
why're toxic thorn boots so much better than expulsion for sin?
Because reducing haste is a lot worse for assa than sub
balmy condor
What is the bug with irideus btw ?
Mutilate isn’t taking stacks off of it properly in sims
quick idol
Is it a big deal or just minor ?
balmy condor
spice spire
Pretty big deal 18% is a bit
thorny pond
Imagine if you caught 18% more fish
balmy condor
Then I’d be having a good morning
thorny pond
Did you know percentages are reversible, so 0% of 18 is the same. Much easier
sweet dawn
10.2 news tonight??????
spice surge
@burnt latch Said so yesterday, surely he isnt wrong
But time is running out for his 24h prophecy
thorny pond
Donny is out of his element
balmy condor
Did you know percentages are reversible, so 0% of 18 is the same. Much easier
Technically true
thorny pond
Pick a repeating 3-digit number, add it up, divide your number by the sum, it's always 37
runic hinge
I leave math for the tc’s
thorny pond
Frusterated about not getting invited to keys? Just quit
quiet oar
<@628254386249793538> Said so yesterday, surely he isnt wrong
I get the feeling he lied
runic hinge
Herb would never do us like that
balmy condor
Pick a repeating 3-digit number, add it up, divide your number by the sum, it's ...
Pick a number between 1 and 10. Now add your age, multiply by 2, and then subtract your age again. The new number your age plus twice your original number
thorny pond
Pick a number between 1 and 10. Now add your age, multiply by 2, and then subtra...
That's why you purple
runic hinge
runic hinge
Yes
spice spire
There’s a date tag on it 
warm sleet
hey sinbros do u have any advive for m sark?
balmy condor
hey sinbros do u have any advive for m sark?
Sync sepsis with Deathmark going into each phase, with vanish on cooldown to extend imp gar
pure moth
I found a log from you and compared. Tried the vanish and spreading imp garrote. Noticeable difference i think. Dying in phase 2 with adds, so overall doesnt look impressive though
balmy condor
Yeh you won’t reach happiness until deep p3 pulls when you look at boss damage and realize you’re cranking
pure moth
Yeah. Im waiting for phase 3 so i can go from top 5 boss damage to top
They still dont want me to cloak glittering, but im doing it anyways
thorn fjord
We keep dying after the first big cricle in P3
blazing jewel
They still dont want me to cloak glittering, but im doing it anyways
?????? Tf do they want you to cloak
thorn fjord
Just sort of started making it consistently
quiet oar
We keep dying after the first big cricle in P3
With how life Do you enter p3
thorn fjord
You get second dm
We need add dmg so im still playing sub till reclear
quiet oar
%
thorn fjord
With how life Do you enter p3
earnest remnant
imagine getting 2 dm's in p3
thorn fjord
34 pulls only 8 times in P3 last night... but we had a few call outs
balmy condor
imagine getting 2 dm's in p3
Hate you
thorn fjord
@blazing jewel did you run Stilleto on prog?
quiet oar
imagine getting 2 dm's in p3
Imagine not rekilling sarka for the 3rd time in 2 1/2 hours
quiet oar
<@102169801366970368> did you run Stilleto on prog?
Iirc its Not worth it, because blade will come up when you go down
balmy condor
Imagine not being able to kill 12 sarks an hour
thorn fjord
Iirc its Not worth it, because blade will come up when you go down
yeah im using basic BP/DB build atm but i know Scana likes running SS
earnest remnant
scana is stupid tho
thorn fjord
Hoping that once we get farther into P3 i can maybe swap back to sin
blazing jewel
<@102169801366970368> did you run Stilleto on prog?
Prog yea but that’s before the better build was mainstream
thorn fjord
Prog yea but that’s before the better build was mainstream
makes sense
blazing jewel
scana is stupid tho
earnest remnant
i called scana washed to hawk
thorn fjord
Scana is the Dade county brethren
earnest remnant
hawk then just said "can he really be washed if he wasent good to begin with"
thorn fjord
I got the homies back
blazing jewel
hawk then just said "can he really be washed if he wasent good to begin with"
I have been relentlessly shit on by the guild for 3 days straight man
earnest remnant
thorn fjord
I have been relentlessly shit on by the guild for 3 days straight man
Feel like thats a rogue thing because i'm always getting picked on too
blazing jewel
The second I had a 99 or something on sark but it was between two green parsing augs
earnest remnant
i dont
blazing jewel
The flame started
earnest remnant
our wft is the one getting all the shit
blazing jewel
Not totem man
thorn fjord
our wft is the one getting all the shit
Ours moved so he wont be back till next tier
if he even comes back
quiet oar
if he even comes back
Be strong. 
thorn fjord
ironically enough he was a rogue main before swapping ench
midway through this tier he messaged me saying he fucked up lmao
blazing jewel
hawk then just said "can he really be washed if he wasent good to begin with"
I opened his stream while I was out for mag and I just see MUTE JARROD and then 5 messages of rogue flame
earnest remnant
Not totem man
had a new trial join us today, he got a quick rundown of the rules
rule number 1
earnest remnant
its a DH
blazing jewel
thorn fjord
imagine playing DH 
blazing jewel
Not enough alt codes in the name to be a dh
pure moth
?????? Tf do they want you to cloak
Either a breath or disintegrate.. and im baffled cuz glittering is worse
grim tangle
I don't cloak I let the healers parse
earnest remnant
ive got cloak assigned on the last debuff clear just before glittering surge
pure moth
They didn't assign cloak anywhere. They just suggested not using it on glittering because they think we're all safe there.
forest acorn
tbf if you cloak the disint clear right before you are definitely safe for glittering
p1 damage isn't even that high right now so you're probably just safe everywhere no cloak needed
pure moth
Yeah plus feint. Everything is pretty safe
gusty mirage
I don't cloak I let the healers parse
silk bane
ive got cloak assigned on the last debuff clear just before glittering surge
is your pfp zed99?
earnest remnant
no
ruby birch
His pfp is my cat
silk bane
nice cat
ruby birch
Thanks
silk bane
can racoons be cats?
ruby birch
Same thing
dawn haven
dawn haven
cat with a bandana
arctic hare
Does our mastery affect the bleed on Deathmark?
balmy condor
yep
arctic hare
Sweet
balmy condor
yeh
arctic hare
God, I miss vendetta
spice spire
Why
arctic hare
too bad they didn't make it slightly weaker and added it in as like, a talent choice
Because it was a cool ability
just, not really CD level
proven jasper
dm is cool though
balmy condor
on rashok this week the actual deathmark bleed itself barely beat out my echoing reprimand
spice spire
It was just a damage amp 
arctic hare
Thats depressing, honestly
Yeah, but make it into like, its own ability again, and put it somewhere in the talent tree
with a smaller cd and weaker strength
would be kinda cool.
spice surge
How is 30% more damage cooler than deathmark
arctic hare
Wait, aren't we getting a rework?
arctic hare
How is 30% more damage cooler than deathmark
no no, I'm not really saying it IS though, I just kinda miss it
earnest remnant
on rashok this week the actual deathmark bleed itself barely beat out my echoing...
my DM bleed was 140k more than my ER
arctic hare
cause deathmark doesn't give that SWEET SWEET burst damage anymore
earnest remnant
huh
arctic hare
Well,
spice surge
What
balmy condor
with a smaller cd and weaker strength
aren't you just describing shiv
proven jasper
i mean it def does
arctic hare
Touche.
spice surge
It gives more?
arctic hare
no no, not what I mean LMAO
I suck at explaining myself
I feel like it should have been a shorter mini cd like so many classes have these days, instead of our main CD
proven jasper
KB
proven jasper
i just want it to be comparable to dtb atleast
earnest remnant
what about dtb feels nice, it has 0 impact?
proven jasper
feel like dtb shoulda been the aoe talent
balmy condor
lmao
arctic hare
lmao, you're welcome :p
spice spire
cause deathmark doesn't give that SWEET SWEET burst damage anymore
Wait
Do you want vendetta
Or the 4p from sofo?
earnest remnant
lol
spice spire
Cuz vendetta 1000% provided zero burst damage profile flat as the earth ong
Maybe the tiniest hill known to man
toxic night
hey quick question please is this talent ever worth picking ? like lets say i cast a garrote from stealth is it empowered for the duration of its effect or nah ? i saw some high rated player taking it in pvp and dont know why xd
earnest remnant
DM is probably the best thing they have done to assa this expansion
spice spire
DM is my precious
arctic hare
Lol
spice spire
I believe in Realz
earnest remnant
DM cranks
arctic hare
DM is fucking awesome though
spice spire
proven jasper
^ i think its one of the most fitting assa abilities dude
arctic hare
I can't remember what the SoFo tier set did
spice surge
hey quick question please is this talent ever worth picking ? like lets say i c...
Its empowered for the entire effect yes
proven jasper
DM is a cranker fr
red bloom
are we actually asking for more buttons?
toxic night
Its empowered for the entire effect yes
daamn that slaps !
earnest remnant
you can easily tell when its pressed
balmy condor
hey quick question please is this talent ever worth picking ? like lets say i c...
not sure about pvp but it's like +100 dps to take is in pve, you'd have to drop sprint cd and stuff
static glacier
dm in aoe feels so wack
toxic night
not sure about pvp but it's like +100 dps to take is in pve, you'd have to drop ...
okkay thank you !
spice spire
are we actually asking for more buttons?
arctic hare
Yep
static glacier
then again so did vendetta
proven jasper
kb is the only extra button i need 
arctic hare
<:Yes:749142652670443540>
What did SoFo tier set do again?
arctic hare
Oh YEAHHHHHHHHHH
static glacier
exsang removal on the cards prayge
earnest remnant
most miserable tierset ive played with
arctic hare
I'm glad its not being used right now
spice surge
Reworked for sure
spice spire
id rather take the sub tierset back than that
Nah ur wild for that one king
Sub tier was 💀
balmy condor
Reworked for sure
into something unrecognizable sure
arctic hare
I STILL can't find any tier sets for that era
spice surge
They said so back in januray, surely they keep their promises
runic hinge
That was gonna be the first tier I was gonna play rogue but I couldn’t do the tierset thing so I stayed feral
balmy condor
idc if it has the same name and the same icon
spice surge
earnest remnant
imo assa one just felt worse to play with
balmy condor
as long as it's fucking gone
spice spire
I felt the opposite
spice spire
I’m also a worse player and sin OTP 
spice spire
I STILL can't find any tier sets for that era
Idk if it helps but the set bonus was called “grudge match”
We also used duskwalker
So the cd was getting 
arctic hare
2-Set - Grudge Match - Shiv causes enemies within 15 yards to take 40% increased damage from your Poisons and Bleeds for 9 seconds. Was kinda cool actually
the 4 set wasn't, as cool
2-Set - Immortal Technique - Shadowstrike has a 15% chance to grant Shadow Blades for 5 sec.
4-Set - Immortal Technique - Your finishing moves have a 3% chance per combo point to cast Shadowstrike at up to 5 enemies within 15 yards. Ahh, yeah, that thing
I remember playing sub back then and feeling pretty good when it procced, and relatively bad when it didn't
balmy condor
2-Set - Grudge Match - Shiv causes enemies within 15 yards to take 40% increased...
I'll let you in on a little secret, it's just arterial precision
arctic hare
SHIT, YOU"RE RIGHT
balmy condor
yeah don't tell anyone though
arctic hare
okay lol
At least it wasn't limited to a number of enemies though
So, in this game I play, called Warframe, theres this ability called Marked For Death, ignore the name, but what it did was make the target chosen with it replicate the damage to all enemies around it
That seems like it'd be fun to mess with
earnest remnant
So ToTM
arctic hare
ToTM, uhhhh
ruby birch
Nah ur wild for that one king
I would rather take sub back then over sub rn too tbh
It lookin grim
silk bane
better to be a gloomblade enthusiast than a lingering enthusiast
ruby birch
Yeah as ironic as it may be, gloomblade is a beautiful ability (same with a sectec), but the current state of sub is kinda sad
Also yeah I’m not a fan of lingering
Gloomblade was just much better thematically and gameplay wise than backstab
Anyways though no sub talk in the alchemist channel
Bring back KB
Rework exsang to a 1:30 min cd that puts a 10 sec debuff that gives you cp every time a bleed ticks 
balmy condor
now, think they'll uncap IC?
IC is getting nerfed most likely
arctic hare
wait really? damn
balmy condor
I mean if they add talents and things for assassination's aoe as we expect they will, then it stands to reason that IC is getting nerfed to make room for it
past forum
nerfed cause assa is dominating the m+ scene rn
balmy condor
no, I don't mean that
or else I would've said that
poison bomb and crimson tempest do a large part of our damage, IC is just an engine to get there quicker and give some damage on top
arctic hare
Hmm, thats true
I keep thinking CT still isn't all that good and we just use it for the dot lol
Really gotta stop that honestly.
balmy condor
who knows whats gonna happen with the rework, we'll see in a couple weeks I guess
balmy condor
but my money is that new aoe things means IC gotta get nerfed
runic hinge
Shiv buffs for ap stonks
arctic hare
Lol, true
spice surge
45s cd is awful anyway, not short enough to have it up constantly and too short to feel like you have some downtime inbetween the cast
Instead it just feels like a nuisance the parts of a fight where you dont have IC dots up
past forum
yeah the 45s cd makes me wish that it just wasnt there period
strange python
Did they fix Exsang?
arctic hare
LOL no
strange python
The Single target sepsis build in Sin-Faq says to use exsang
nvm
same icon
wrong spell
arctic hare
Were you thinking of Doomblade?
strange python
dumb low $ company
vestal wren
but my money is that new aoe things means IC gotta get nerfed
black powder poison dust
strange python
Yeah I just saw them use the same icon instead of spending 5 seconds to create a new one
balmy condor
the next time you'll hear about exsang, it'll be gone
arctic hare
~~black powder~~ poison dust
And it'd automatically proc a tick of your poisons on all enemies hit by it
balmy condor
the bug on exsang is the send off that dogshit fucking ability deserved
diseased and worthless in a ditch off the side of the road
arctic hare
Whats the bug again?
balmy condor
Whats the bug again?
deathmark doesn't duplicate the exsang tick rate
balmy condor
could re-use the spell name/icon
yeah that's whatever
idc bout the name or the icon
runic hinge
Since like December
balmy condor
who gives a shit
arctic hare
Wait, since DECEMBER? good god.
so basically, its never worked properly in all the time that we DID use it?
arctic hare
Ahh, okay
arctic hare
I'm more confused about how it broke in the first place?
balmy condor
I'm more confused about how it broke in the first place?
Background code jank idk
vestal wren
you would usually not expect something to suddenly break ^^
balmy condor
It wasn’t listed anywhere in the notes
Like not even anything related
Like a Deathmark change
Or a garrote change or something
Just woke up one day and it was dead
balmy condor
Yeah means I don’t have to rip my hair out every raid day in a futile attempt at keeping my sanity knowing I’d have to hit the button for 3 hours
proven jasper
yeah accidently fucking that button up was a serious hit to my mental
arctic hare
Truth
balmy condor
Pretty sure there’s a clip of me floating around where I dm->exsang instead of exsang->dm on diurna and just let out a primal scream
vestal wren
6 years of tyranny from exsang end soon
arctic hare
on open mic?
proven jasper
oh ive definitely done that one dude
arctic hare
PLEASE tell me it was open mic
balmy condor
I’m open mic on stream push to talk for discord
balmy condor
Idk if it’s still around
I’ll have to see
Diurna into raz into required to play sub on raz
Was just a non stop mental breakdown
silk bane
IC is getting nerfed most likely
nerfed? as in cd goes up? or damage goes down? cuz one is good other one is sus
silk bane
what the orb say
balmy condor
Yeah idk it told me that it doesn’t know either
silk bane
damn not even the orb knows
balmy condor
Could even hit less targets
void mesa
Could hit... different targets?
spice spire
balmy condor
Like a trillion things they could do with it
grand trail
silk bane
okay if it were to hit that target, and the idea was to promote AP, then its interesting, as long as its st doesnt become similar to IC/AP right now.
it would be very interesting to have a rogue spec that does very powerful 3-5 target cleave or somethign
but if was htiting fewer targets just to give u enough regen for u to go back to spamming CT
then its cursed
near valley
it would be very interesting to have a rogue spec that does very powerful 3-5 ta...
Cries in outlaw
spice surge
Ye maybe if you had an ability that made your singletarget spells apply to 5 nearby targets for 40% of the damage
silk bane
that sounds interesting eleem
care to elaborate?
it would be cool if it had something to do with a blade
and a fl;urry of attacks
balmy condor
okay if it were to hit that target, and the idea was to promote AP, then its int...
If they make assa capped at 5 instead of 8, it’s easier to tune the cleave up
Cause it’s not supposed to do big aoe, it’s made for cleave
So the single target and cleave would be higher as well
In theory at least
gusty mirage
If they make assa capped at 5 instead of 8, it’s easier to tune the cleave up
but then I'd have to get a new sub alert
"outlaw is capped omegalul stay mad nerds" wouldn't hit right
near valley
Mofos better give me uncapped BF if they do that
near valley
"outlaw is capped omegalul stay mad nerds" wouldn't hit right
You're just filled with hatred
silk bane
In theory at least
theory can only take u so far. 
gusty mirage
You're just filled with hatred
it's a clip of whispyr saying it
silk bane
foor i have become death
silk bane
the padder of sark ads
near valley
so how am I the one full of hate
I just assume all Sin players are filled with hate tbh
cerulean nest
balmy condor
gaunt moat
I'm confused by that statment.
void mesa
Thats what I still do when I play rogue
spice spire
remember when assa was hit boss and chill?
You changed
I miss the dog pfp lanille.
He was a wholesome lad
Disc has changed Blud
storm forum
man
does anyone remember
when i wan an anime pfp lad?
everyone only remembers me after i put on the (dog) mask
storm forum
good times 🥲
runic hinge
Now I’m top 2 on the server for assa instead of 3
balmy condor
Now I’m top 2 on the server for assa instead of 3
the guy server transferred?
gilded oasis
Now I’m top 2 on the server for assa instead of 3
what server
silk bane
just a friendly reminder that this week is indeed pusssshs week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-spy2vtqg&pp=ygUNZ3JvbW5hayBjbGlwcw%3D%3D&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraftHuskyBoost
runic hinge
what server
Whisperwind NA, and I just wanna note this is just for io
storm forum
oh yeah my rogue is
in the dumpster this tier
shadow was just doing everything i wanted my rogue to do
gilded oasis
Whisperwind NA, and I just wanna note this is just for io
dang you can take #1 ez
gilded oasis
also im going to believe you're there cause it has whisper in the name
balmy condor
just a friendly reminder that this week is indeed pusssshs week https://www.yout...
isn't it bolstering?
!affix
prisma monolithBOT
Affixes: Tyrannical, Afflicted, Bolstering
balmy condor
storm forum
every week is push week if you believe
gilded oasis
tru
runic hinge
dang you can take #1 ez
I could if my friends who are good at keys hadn’t stopped playing and my guildies were a bit better/less casual
silk bane
isn't it bolstering?
whats whats bolstering gonna do against that strong sub rogue funnel? 
storm forum
so i think this week is pretty ok for pushing
runic hinge
We get aotc raiding 3 hours a week and then the guild is empty
storm forum
bolstering is also like, giga carried by disc cause they just PS the tank for the last 10 seconds of the big pulls and its like bolstering never happened
silk bane
so, we went to a 28 freehold wednesday night bolstered the first officer or w/e to like 9 stacks, then he autod our tank for 3 mil and killed him, then yelled and everyone died. but we timed the 27
so.... yea its push weeek
gilded oasis
i think thats the only mob that really sucks. it hurts on like reg tyran weeks half the time
silk bane
it was funny af actually. like we were just laughin and talking and didnt realize how badly we fucked up until he was about to cast.
storm forum
i think caster packs are the worst with bolstering
silk bane
then he yelled, and me being an ethical gamer, I feinted. wasnt enough soemhow
storm forum
cause people arent expecting to get 1 shot
when it normally does like 20% of their hp
gilded oasis
yo you can only do vault of archavon if you control WG right?
srs assassination question fr fr
storm forum
what the hell is a vault of archavon or a WG?
runic hinge
There’s a way to glitch inside
storm forum
is that part of the new 10.2 changes?
storm forum
pog
runic hinge
Yee it’s on YouTube
gilded oasis
balmy condor
what the hell is a vault of archavon or a WG?
it's a pvp thing from wrath
gilded oasis
I didnt get boots im going to riot 
dawn haven
unluck
spice spire
when i wan an anime pfp lad?
I joined here in prepatch of sl.
You had the same pfp the entire time iirc.
I was a lurker but really just read pins I’m sorry
gilded oasis
wow they just give green to anyone then huh?
dawn haven
wtf I wanna be a lettuce boi too
gusty mirage
I joined here in prepatch of sl.
You had the same pfp the entire time iirc.
I wa...
spice spire
I just returned after a long break
gilded oasis
class fantasy
spice spire
gilded oasis
smh my head
spice spire
Smdh my head brother
spice spire
Shien only joined this year @gusty mirage
This server is madness
The great banana incident
gilded oasis
dawn haven
They must hate you
spice spire
dawn haven
spice spire
gilded oasis
They must hate you
same
storm forum
I joined here in prepatch of sl.
You had the same pfp the entire time iirc.
I wa...
i used to have a yumekui merry pfp but no one took me seriously so i changed it to dogs are good and suddenly people pretended they liked me or something
storm forum
:>
spice spire
storm forum
healing changes a man
dawn haven
gilded oasis
healers are alcoholics "I need to drink" all they say
storm forum
dude i am so happy to be out of that los bullshit
dawn haven
healers are alcoholics "I need to drink" all they say
Reminds me of the removed dwarf joke
spice spire
It’s mega free
dawn haven
"I'm a social drinker! When someone says 'I'll have a drink', I say 'So shall I!"
spice spire
Also no real path to green. I just got messaged one day and asked if I wanted to be one and just said “if you think so, but I disagree.” And here I am
storm forum
what if i wait for ptr to decide if i play priest or rogue
if the raid has 1 or more los mechanics i play rogue
spice spire
“If I have to move one time while healing I’m going back to rogue”
dawn haven
cap
spice spire
Stop crumbling my narrative
storm forum
fuck that
spice spire
Wtf
storm forum
like 60% of disc casts are instant or channelable while moving
and holy has like 50%
dawn haven
Well 99% of rogue casts are instant, 1% of it is beacon.
storm forum
and all of their important casts are instant
im a big fan of the pre-pull bacon -> vanish tech
so its even less than 1%
dawn haven
storm forum
man can you imagine the horror of KB or sepsis being a channeled ability
spice spire
man can you imagine the horror of KB or sepsis being a channeled ability
Lil bro ain’t cooking fr
dawn haven
If realz sees this idea we're all screwed
Channeling sepsis for 4s like it's KS but instead you just feel worse
spice spire
I have full faith in Realz. Also think he has his own ideas for the rework unsure he’s scouring the discord looking for sauce
balmy condor
just based on the shit I read in here I know for sure he's not crowdsourcing any ideas
spice spire
just based on the shit I read in here I know for sure he's not crowdsourcing any...
My man is sleeping on @bronze pike frfr
Do not come up with a new idea I will delete it
balmy condor
I am not but I wish I was sleeping when he talks
spice spire
dawn haven
The ideas floating around these chats make me feel like whenever a rogue applies rupture, they've actually applied it to their own neurons.
Destroying our own braincells fr
bronze pike
Do not come up with a new idea I will delete it
saving my ammo when people flood this chat when c hanges happen
gilded oasis
bronze pike
ya know
when it gets so degen and people make up bad takes and gthink its actually good
i just come in and hit em with a banger and make em feelsheepish
balmy condor
what if there was a new resource bar instead of energy, like a poison meter
and every time you attacked, your poison meter ran down
cause the poison on your daggers was wearing off
gilded oasis
can it fill up instead and give free poison bomb when full
balmy condor
so you would have to channel a poison to refill it every now and then
gilded oasis
but like legion PB
balmy condor
ty ty
dawn haven
That sounds pog
balmy condor
it took all 1/3rd of my braincells to come up with that one
bronze pike
no no no
you channel your poison BUT you hp gets drained to regenerate said poison
its skill expression
bronze pike
where you as a player need to find the right time to do it or you'll fall over
dawn haven
And there's a talent that instead makes it a dot that applies after the poison is recovered
So it's like stagger instead of flat damage for regen
Also the channel is 6s for full poison regen
marsh ferry
it took all 1/3rd of my braincells to come up with that one
How do you use that many brain cells at the same time? I’m jealous
balmy condor
just built differently
dawn haven
Meanwhile we're trying to turn the idea into a monstrosity
deft flicker
what if there was a new resource bar instead of energy, like a poison meter
That’d solve the haste issue
gusty mirage
you guys have brain cells?
no
and if they say they do
they're lying to themselves
and you
void mesa
Whenever I log in on rogue, my braincells go on vacation
silk bane
i had a few left but whispyr stole them
void mesa
me blasting on my mage, not having to move on mechanics
rogue waiting for beacon crit
royal lantern
me writing a new pin
definition of insanity
writing pins over and over again
knowing that most people will just ask anyway
balmy condor
One must imagine Sisyphus as a guide writer
^
royal lantern
outlaw
balmy condor
What spec do you think he would write guides for??
arms warrior
storm forum
i feel like sisyphus was a shaman or druid player
or would have been?
they probably have wow in hell right?
rotund oak
i feel like sisyphus was a shaman or druid player
Sisyphus was an @sshole.He married his brother's daughter named Tyrw and had 2 sons with her.Tyrw killed her sons and Zeus tried to kill him twice but he deceived him.Zeus punished him to carry a rock to the top of a mountain over and over again(actual mythology)
storm forum
Definitely a druid player
rotund oak
totally
deft flicker
He carries a rock to the top, then flaps down to start all over again
cerulean walrus
Sisyphus was an @sshole.He married his brother's daughter named Tyrw and had 2 s...
Yeah but half of all the conflicts in Greek mythology could have been avoided if Zeus just kept it in his pants
The horny bastard
rotund oak
The horny bastard
True but he envied his brother Salmineas for being the king of Efyria(ancient Corinth) which he established according to mythology.Went to ask for advice how to kill him,thats when he married Tyrw.. The dude was a criminal
Zeus was an abusive bastard 100%
static glacier
!fuu
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normal glacier
What's the general consensus for sim patchwerk numbers in comparison to personal training dummy numbers? I'm looking at a 5min patchwerk minus raid buffs at 107k simmed but 95k reality. Is that a tad bit low?
balmy condor
Why not just sim target dummy?
normal glacier
Fair. Doing that. Forgot about that bit
Okay. Simmed 92, reality 95
what's the difference between target dummy and patchwerk then?
static glacier
what's the difference between target dummy and patchwerk then?
raidbuffs / consumables
@balmy condor what's the logic behind no more double garrote opener? is it just sepsis giving an extra garotte or has something shifted the value of shs garotte vs mut?
or was it all about exsang before
/ old tier set bleed dmg
balmy condor
what's the difference between target dummy and patchwerk then?
Dummy stays at 100%, and disables raid buffs and consumables, patchwerk has consumables and raid buffs by default, with the health going 100->0
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what's the logic behind no more double garrote opener? is ...
Double gar was an exsang thing for max garrote time to prep for exsang
No exsang no double gar
normal glacier
Ah, got it. But if you just remove all of the raidbuffs manually then I guess it's similar just without execute phase
balmy condor
Yeah if you turn everything off you would essentially have a target dummy that goes from 100% hp to 0% like a normal fight would
normal glacier
That was the issue I guess. I did that and the sim went to 107 versus 95 reality
pure target dummy at a 92
balmy condor
They do, but they also heal back I think 5% of their health every 2 seconds
Not entirely sure on the healing mechanics of a target dummy tbh I’ve never cared enough
But point is unless you got like 4-5 people hitting that shit the health won’t move
balmy condor
That was the issue I guess. I did that and the sim went to 107 versus 95 reality
Execute good 
normal glacier
For sin?
static glacier
That was the issue I guess. I did that and the sim went to 107 versus 95 reality
tbh a better metric than damage is casts / uptimes and cp + energy waste minimisation, log your dummy hitting and compare to a sim
balmy condor
One of the best execute specs in the game yeh
balmy condor
Hm?
balmy condor
No
normal glacier
shit
balmy condor
Good execute doesn’t mean good haste scaling during execute
:P
If pi was 20% damage increase instead of 20% haste
keen spruce
balmy condor
Then yeah probably would be a good option to send it on the sin rogue
But it isn’t
So
Shit out of luck on that
normal glacier
So sins just not generally a good target for pis
static glacier
dev / mm are both prime targets after lock and uh
spice surge
Its fine, but its not unholy or demo
balmy condor
Demo and unholy are huge for it
normal glacier
Hey. If I'm outdamaging my locks and my DKs on Magmorax I think I deserve it.
static glacier
that's not exactly how it works
normal glacier
No I just need new locks
static glacier
but perhaps
balmy condor
Are you doing twice the demo locks damage?
static glacier
yknow uh without pi is one of the weakest st sims
normal glacier
More along the lines of 20-30
balmy condor
Cause demo lock with pi is like nearing +15k
When sin is like maybe 7
You’d gotta be outcranking that warlock real hard
silk bane
spriest sends on cd at 2 min healer can hold for 3
balmy condor
Spriest uses their pi rotationally yeah
balmy condor
Yep
normal glacier
That's a conversation point
balmy condor
But the 2 minute on cooldown option is the unholy dk
normal glacier
Is it?
balmy condor
So you kinda still get fucked over
balmy condor
They have cdr
normal glacier
yes
silk bane
unholy is 3 tho no?
balmy condor
Idk then
silk bane
yeah uh is 3 im pretty sure
balmy condor
I thought my unholy was getting spriest pi
We have 3 priests in my raid fuck me if I know who’s doing what
balmy condor
Think affliction is on 2 as well
spice surge
Ye
balmy condor
But they changed aff like 15 times
silk bane
I thought aff was 90 sec not sure actually
balmy condor
Yeah it’s a weird one where it’s like really good but no one plays it
spice surge
Affli is not a meme, but most still play demo
normal glacier
Ret?
silk bane
idk if its aug bug but aff is deleteing sark right now
balmy condor
Post rework rets 2 min pretty sure
balmy condor
Well 1 min is 2 min
normal glacier
so potential PI target as well
I'm just going down the list
for spriest
since we have both healers and dps priest
balmy condor
I’ve never seen an ele shaman in my life don’t ask me anything
normal glacier
I've had one in raid. He was cracked 99s on ele and 99s on resto on prog
balmy condor
Barely can see an enhance shaman these days
normal glacier
Funnily enough, got that guy as well
balmy condor
Enhance also is an aoe pad spec atm
I don’t see enhance on the meter and then adds spawn and they leapfrog me instantly
normal glacier
It's like beacon as sub. Parse good or bad based on beacon crits
yeah, that's also true. Take enh for assault I guess
and then bench
x)
silk bane
I don’t see enhance on the meter and then adds spawn and they leapfrog me instan...
u should watch stealthis enhance on their 5:51 sark kill
it was 4 augs but enhance did i think 330k p1 sark
balmy condor
Respectfully I don’t care really care what stealthi’s guild does
Because all their shit is so ridiculous
balmy condor
Stealthi links me like a fucking 2:25 kazzara kill when my guild on our 9th kill is doing it in 3:40
And I actually want to kill myself
static glacier
ingame
silk bane
theyve mastered the 4 aug tech tbh
its litealrly breaking the game
unironically breaking the game
static glacier
agreed, i played aug for sark prog, we had 4 too
going from aug to dev for a few pulls lost us like 2-3% boss hp
instead of 65/64% at end of p1 it was 68 lmao
silk bane
i mean they might get a 5:10 - 5:15 sark kill next reset
balmy condor
Shit is actually so dumb
static glacier
out of aug prison now though, thank god
balmy condor
I’m lowkey sick of it at this point
silk bane
pretty sure once tha thappens they need to look into aug one more time
balmy condor
Stealthi’s like yeah skipping second adds on sark
static glacier
its far too broken even when played like a clown
balmy condor
Why not just kill it in p1
Fuck it
Just split the raid in half and kill 2 bosses at the same time
Why not
silk bane
theyre gonna get to p3 at 2:50.
ah yes the true sec tech
snap rashok onto sark
for some cleave
static glacier
it's actually wild
blizz intended for aug to be competitive with other dps
making it sound like it would struggle
xd
normal glacier
I absolutely hate aug with a passion. Less so for raids but more so what they did to m+
static glacier
in raid it's still broken, what reasoning is there to ever bring dev
balmy condor
It’s like watching a flock of birds pass by, the only thing you can do is look up and squint a little and go “yeah those are birds alright”
balmy condor
My guilds not bad
static glacier
litterall can buff the best class for any particular part of a fight
normal glacier
I was sat for 2 weeks in m+ queue without a single key in the 26 range.
balmy condor
We were contemplating hall of fame this tier
Killed zskarn with cheese
Pretty early, fast group
Seeing the shit stealthi’s guild does is just so unreal
silk bane
its kinda inspiring to me tbh.
but also makes me sad cuz I cant do anything like that anytime soon
static glacier
colour are renowned for speedkills though
balmy condor
they are
static glacier
summoning in the entire raid for aug buffs is giga cringe
silk bane
LOL
to me its inspring but just depressing
cuz i wanna do stuff like that
and then i look at my guild and we cant get to sark p3 without 4 people dying to not ocmign up in time every pull to greed haste buff
silk bane
it is extremly cringy how it works yeah like look at this.. to summon half the raid and have everyone pixel stack and the 4 augs to go around the locks and enahnces...
balmy condor
It went from like cut healers, can we one tank, everyone play well and we skip the mechanic
To “is it possible to abuse Aug here?”
And that’s just
Not exciting or fun
It’s just degenerate
silk bane
well it kinda is the same. it wetn from can we cut a healer to yeah ofcourse, just drop healers for augs, they make u tanky anyways fuck it full send 2 heal it
balmy condor
Yeah but that’s not the main thing anymore
The main thing is fuck it augvoker time
And cutting healers is just an excuse for +80k dps running another dps
silk bane
Im just worried about whats gonna happen next tier with aug in RWF. theyre probably gonna bring 4 augs and then you get half the populataion try to pug and then you see people want 4 augs for their heroic clear
similar to how now people require aug for 11s
it kinda just ruined the game
balmy condor
RWF atm will be the same degenerate Aug abuse but less setup beforehand
Like they won’t be summoning the whole raid every pull
static glacier
all our 4 augs agreed
the spec is cringe
the amount of rng involved is so gross if you dont sum people in
balmy condor
But you’re for sure gonna see positioning nonsense and Aug stacking and all the usual degeneracy
On pull at the minimum
And the problem is if they can pull it off, the damage increase you get from it is so insane, the fights would have to be buffed, but then it would be ridiculously hard for the normal guilds
It’s such a mess
silk bane
its a really really bad hole they put themselves into
if the spec is good it ruins a lot of the game
and the fact that its bear levels of simplicity makes it worse
balmy condor
Problem is, the spec isn’t good right now
silk bane
my issue is right now, we are pugging augs for 28-29s
and i swear the god
thee guys coudlnt time 20s sometimes if they werent aug
they are dying to everything, they dont kick, they dont cc, they do nothing but die.
balmy condor
If you look at heroic logs Aug fucking blows from a dps perspective
They’re still really tanky and have a ton of utility
But just dps wise Aug is giga shit outside of mythic
silk bane
I cant trust io anymore, i dont even wanna push anymore because every key is a coin flip of ah yes this 3500 aug has hands vs ah yes its a monkey that accidentally made an aug
silk bane
If you look at heroic logs Aug fucking blows from a dps perspective
its kinda haard to judge aug in those cases i think, like if u play with a bad group, youre not parsing.
but if you look at mythic, then augs suddenly the best spec pretty much
balmy condor
its kinda haard to judge aug in those cases i think, like if u play with a bad g...
Doesn’t matter though
Getting 1 Mythic kill is like already the top 3% or something
Heroic is where the vast majority of the playerbase lives
blazing jewel
bro 300 messages what are you guys cooking
balmy condor
bro 300 messages what are you guys cooking
Complaining about stealthi and augs
silk bane
hmm, well the that circles back to what max initially said about it, if its good for average people, it breaks top gameplay, if its average for top gameplay its unplayable for average players
blazing jewel
his augs are cute though
balmy condor
hmm, well the that circles back to what max initially said about it, if its good...
Yes, and right now it’s both 
Cause Aug is like fine for the average mythic CE guild
Not too broken but like, generally good
For big abusers like stealthi it’s insane
And for anyone worse than a decently good mythic guild, Aug is pretty disappointing
silk bane
basically the worst case scenario lol
silk bane
idk, coudlnt find a solution. im also pretty sure its actually not solvable in M+
static glacier
they need to rein in the top end while buffing baseline performance
silk bane
aug is the most binary class imaginable for keys
if it brings enough damgea u 100% bring it
if it doesnt bring enough damage u 100% dont bring it
static glacier
one easy way they can narrow the skill ceiling and floor is by making prescience longterm buff on 2 people
balmy condor
Unless there’s a big change in how Augs works and they re-think how buff targeting functions
It’s just not happening
static glacier
and nerf EM / fate mirror more
silk bane
so based on tuning its basically 100% brought to every comp or never brought. such a terrible position to be in.
static glacier
issue is they've balanced it as if you're pressing all spells off cd without planning around stuff
the moment you begin optimising presience targets, planning ebon might right on 3m as the UH dk comes up from bombs
the spec breaks
silk bane
one easy way they can narrow the skill ceiling and floor is by making prescience...
i mean that cant work though. becuase then your spec is litearlly 1 apm
bronze pike
Nerfing it isn’t the answer either btw
silk bane
u just buff 2 people and go take a nap
static glacier
i mean that cant work though. becuase then your spec is litearlly 1 apm
LF / eruption filler still exists
broken ibex
Maybe make it super complex instead of it’s current zzzz state
balmy condor
I mean the “easy” option is buff the fuck out of augs personal dps and nerf the buffs into a ground so it’s like a bad dps with extra support, rather than tank dps with another dps worth of damage in support
But that’s the nuclear option
static glacier
and they could add another instant spell that you press on cd but without such big margins for error / success as pres currently is
bronze pike
Aug has multiple issues someone which can be fixed by changing hooks and what it effects
For example aug should have never effected tanks
silk bane
I mean the “easy” option is buff the fuck out of augs personal dps and nerf the ...
thats basically admitting that support role doenst work, and basically turning aug into a dps with extra utility then
balmy condor
thats basically admitting that support role doenst work, and basically turning a...
Exactly
bronze pike
But that fixes one main issue
silk bane
which i dont think theyre ready to give up on it yet
static glacier
thing is as it stands it's either a very good dps with far too much utility
or a support with more damage than most dps
the fact that dev is comparatively a meme doesn't help
bronze pike
The other big issue that no one talks about is how auggie is the only support spec, uses a dps spot, was released hamfisted in the middle of a season
broken ibex
They should have just gave Hpal blessings to Aug and leave it at that lol.
static glacier
in what world does a spec that needs pi to do less damage than aug, lacks perma mini-rally, cheat death with aoe healing going to see play
bronze pike
Auggie should have released next expansion with more support specs and a support role
silk bane
all im saying is, my friend leveld an aug, got it to 438 ilvl in like 2 days. brought it to a 26 freehold with us. when we looked at details he did 165k overall
static glacier
heck, dev dmg is fake at times too due to reverse execute
silk bane
playing the spec for qiute litearlly 2 days
rotund oak
Augmentation is the simp specc,let it be xD
bronze pike
With content balanced about 6 people
silk bane
not details i mean wclogs
bronze pike
Imagine
static glacier
aug being supportive is fine, the tuning on it atm is not
static glacier
least hot take ever, get rid of pi
rotund oak
Wonderful isn’t it
thats wrong in so many ways
static glacier
like who tf enjoys it, even the people getting it don't enjoy it
rotund oak
disco is the ''pvp'' side of priest
static glacier
since if they ever lose it it's like heroin addicts suffering withdrawal
rotund oak
just as sub is for rogue
bronze pike
Eh I don’t think any class has a pvp side anymore
rotund oak
true
bronze pike
Disc is cracked In pve more than anything
bronze pike
Like a good disc is unironically cracked
balmy condor
Auggie should have released next expansion with more support specs and a support...
Idk if this is the option either, it would just have the same issues but now you’re doing it alongside a billion other meta shifts, and you have 3 Aug specs all causing the same issues. I feel like that would take the kitchen fire we have now and just multiply it into a whole ass wildfire. If you release like that you’re actually just too deep in the hole and nothing will get you out
silk bane
oh and it just ruins logs for people, like having aug vs not having aug actually changes your damage. idc how much they say their hooks are accurate to take aug damage, how do u account for extra CP from extra crit that aug gives u? the extra finishers, extra dances , extra energy that comes off of that crit? youre not acconting for those, and overall, it matters
bronze pike
It just people don’t know how to play it at a level
rotund oak
holy is better in pvp now as well
static glacier
Like a good disc is unironically cracked
pres evo fills the niche that disc had
bronze pike
Cause hptiwst is easier
rotund oak
yeah
static glacier
symbol is too good regarding holy
static glacier
giving raid defensive cd usage is cracked, reason they brought holy to wf iirc
silk bane
Idk if this is the option either, it would just have the same issues but now you...
that would kidna solve the M+ problem not raid. because then M+ would become tank,healer, 2dps, 1 support then u had choices for support specs and build comps around different support specs.
bronze pike
Idk if this is the option either, it would just have the same issues but now you...
That’s true, I just think anything is a more realistic answer than “turn auggie into a true dps spec”
silk bane
instead of right now with aug wher eu want a class that has 2 min cds for aug to bring
would not solve the raid abuse problem tho
bronze pike
Hpal def is bloated utility wise
rotund oak
holy goes like PW Salvation==>summon naaru and pukes the F out of healing
static glacier
yknow, thematically aug feels super lame
static glacier
if you guys ever tried thinking of black dragonflight magic you thought of throwing rock spikes and shit
bronze pike
While disc can surpass hpriest
It requires a lot more mastery of the spec AND dungeon knowledge
rotund oak
i think disco is more sophisticated in dungeons
coz its 5 ppl that can control and prevent dmg
bronze pike
You play with a actual good disc priest you wonder if they even did anything
bronze pike
bronze pike
Oh def
Utility wise anyways
That’s why the only thing hpal mains complain about with recent nerfs is the damage output
Who needs healing when you can have one glimmer active on a guy and they get max glimmer dr and glimmer absorb shield
rotund oak
u want blessings,fine
u want healing,fine
u want burst healing,fine
u wanna be tanky,fine
u want immunity,fine
u want dmg,fine
😄
bronze pike
Exactly
The amount of things made irrelevant with bop, freedom, sac,
Not to mention mage is best target for all externals
rotund oak
yup
bronze pike
Autumn doing a lot
And spring is fucking a deathknights vampire aura but as a external
rotund oak
idk man,i rly think that aug is special tbh
bronze pike
Summer does dam ohhhh big wow, let’s forget about spring which can make a tank immortal