olive nova
found out
#assassination
quiet oar
Roid wants to raid with himself
clever sapphire
What's the rough gain of Sin rogue with PI
short forge
does the irideusfragment still sim incorrectly?
sharp viper
quick question regarding the sims, can I paste the override into the post combination actors in the simc expert mode for droptimizer as well? do i need to fill the other parts of the expert mode or can I just leave them empty?
night crag
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vestal wren
quick question regarding the sims, can I paste the override into the post combin...
it works the same way in dropoptimizer, just:
tardy sluice
@.janic @khululy
chilly viper
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woeful wigeon
where can you see on the sims what weapen ruine they used ?
spice surge
Default is crit for both assa and sub
So theyre probably using that, but otherwise you have to dig into the html report
grand trail
It would be better if they push live version to raidbot
As I don't know how to sim gear with overwrite
spice spire
kk cause i have 49% crit 16% haste 54% mastery 6% vers without party raid buf...
You can pick which rune yourself and see what’s best for you at the moment
It’s a sim option*
woeful wigeon
if i use the haste one bit overwelming geting 35% =haste sometimes feels like to mutch
sweet dawn
Yeah I just ran like 5 sims and changed the weapon enchancement each time
turns out having mastery runes was like 1k+ for me
woeful wigeon
kk will have a look
thorn estuary
Is Sub gear bad to run as sin (high vers low/no haste)
woeful wigeon
just quick sim swap weappen ruine
sweet dawn
just quick sim swap weappen ruine
ye
spice surge
Is Sub gear bad to run as sin (high vers low/no haste)
Secondaries doesnt matter nearly as much as people think. Yes you could get some very slightly improvements but overall the dps isnt going to be massively different
vestal wren
secondary stats are relevant if a spec has a bigger deficit in one stat
haste for sub or outlaw might be a good example, because a excessive amount of haste would lower your output noticeable
woeful wigeon
yep both mastery +500dps
from 49 crit 16 haste 54 mastery 6 vers --> 46 crit 16 haste 59 mastery 6 vers 500dps gain
slate crown
I have a couple of pieces that I swap between sin and sub (tier helm + off chest + toxic thorn + haste OCE for sin, tier chest + vers crafted helm + slimy for sub), but otherwise all of my other crafted pieces / gems simmed best as they were for both specs, considering I mostly use Sub for aoe now which leans more towards sin's stats anyways. After doing many sim permutations this seemed like the best combination of output and flexibility. Either spec could be bumped up a tad if I targeted them but the gains are inconsequential, I'd rather it just be "pretty good" between both so I only have to swap out gear pieces I already have easily without any recrafting/gemming.
thorn estuary
I have a couple of pieces that I swap between sin and sub (tier helm + off chest...
Yeah that's what I was thinking just recraft a few vers pieces I already have to mastery put a few haste gems/runes on and call it a day and I have thorn boots from week 1 Sim baited so I'm good there
I'm a LW and JC so recrafting isn't a big deal for me
slate crown
I purposefully avoided haste on anything like enchants / gems because they're more annoying to swap and I won't want it for Sub (unless it's a gem on a piece you swap in anyways). But yeah, JC recrafting is super cheap. Can use weapon runes as a means of adding extra haste if you really need it and sims agree, just because they're way easier to swap around
cerulean nest
he's a wild question
progging sark atm
now that p1 is less scary, do I go back to crit phial like a savage?
pure moth
Not worth it in prog
ancient rain
tonight is the night folks. it's gonna be tough but we can do it. many days of progression have led to this moment. with the assa buff im confident in my ability. im ready to finally reap the benefits of my hardships.
tonight we reach p3 on sark!
clever sapphire
you hyped it up so much, would have loved if you sayed "we killing mythic assault after 125 pulls"
ancient rain
i wonder if crimson tempest would be good on sark
clever sapphire
you wanna be under a tank?
spice surge
Possibly if your goal is to pad rather than killing the boss
clever sapphire
because thats how you get under a tank
hoary remnant
Quick question is anvil sim bait? I see really no one playing it in logs
gusty mirage
Possibly if your goal is to pad rather than killing the boss
padding on the adds that just got nerfed
spice surge
Only the big add got nerfed
gusty mirage
the little ones melted anyway
spice surge
Smallies still submissive and paddable
gusty mirage
assa cranks now btw
drifting cloud
HUH
spice surge
Quick question is anvil sim bait? I see really no one playing it in logs
Well other trinkets sim higher generally, its not really sim bait
Its just a very high rng trinket that favors long fights, of which there arent a ton this tier 
ancient rain
I still can't get over how I had mythic omnious in my vault and I took a socket over it and now I have like 3 sockets that i dont need
gray crest
spice surge
literally shitting out the boss damage
One could say its about 5% better than last week?
gusty mirage
whispyr's asleep, there will be no bullying in my assassination channel
drifting cloud
your phone screen got bullied
gusty mirage
I will ban you
right now
then you can join unhappyhippo on reddit telling everyone how bad I am
drifting cloud
👼
gusty mirage
slovenians are rude man wtf
spice surge
"I dont like the ravenholdt discord, the mods there are really unfriendly and hostile, especially this oxi guy"
gusty mirage
don't forget to accuse ronkles of being unfriendly and hostile
spice surge
Guy ruling outlaw with an iron fist was a good one too
gusty mirage
void mesa
Oxi? More like tOxiC
clever sapphire
whispyr's asleep, there will be no bullying in my assassination channel
unless its you bullying if i understand correctly 
gusty mirage
Oxi? More like tOxiC
gusty mirage
unless its you bullying if i understand correctly <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
only if it's @spice spire
void mesa
drifting cloud
the tc is silent because he sucks at it
clever sapphire
even showing favoritism to green names, smh
gusty mirage
no I mean you can bully quake
clever sapphire
ah
gusty mirage
that's acceptable all hours of the day
clever sapphire
i suck at bullying, i only know how to do cursed shit
void mesa
spice surge
Stealthi #4 behind eleem x3
drifting cloud
I opened outlaw chat by accident on phone
void mesa
i relate dw
drifting cloud
and I thanked god assa sucks
gusty mirage
I opened outlaw chat by accident on phone
oh god
drifting cloud
so sapzilla stays there
quiet oar
my top 3 is just eleem
What about your son 
drifting cloud
its ok oxi I got a medical exemption
gusty mirage
What about your son <:Susge:888573531468734555>
he's in timeout rn
drifting cloud
I thought its just one of 10 mosquito bites but now a quarter of my hand is swollen
drifting cloud
probably it just looks funny
quiet oar
he's in timeout rn
Oh you have a family Break because of the Outlaw/Assa Discussion?
quiet oar
drifting cloud
whos your son thats in a timeout I missed lore
drifting cloud
but hes french
gusty mirage
so's dadsen but I love him
void mesa
you adopted a baguette who plays outlaw??
gusty mirage
@verbal mantle 
quiet oar
gusty mirage
every now and then a Frenchman rises and you love them despite their frenchness
void mesa
Also, dumb yet relevant question, think we progging Experiments tonight, any suggestions with CD timing while its still a clusterfuck with boss timings? Save stealth for x2 imp garrote?
drifting cloud
just send cd that boss is impossible to predict
my favorite part is when it gets an absorb at 40% so execute doesnt work for a minute
void mesa
drifting cloud
but yeah depends if youre doing the strat where you hold cds on pull
void mesa
Thats what weve been doing
hoary remnant
Well other trinkets sim higher generally, its not really sim bait
Ok ty
void mesa
hold until the 2nd guy drops, tho not everyone holds the same it seems
but i think ill drop beacon on pull, and do a pretend opener when the 2nd guy gets here + lust
like vanish - x2 garrote and DM + sepsis on the first guy
should hit pot, lust and execute on him
and for the next set of cds.... idk anymore
strange python
I end up having to dump everything on opener for Experiments. Otherwise Neldris lives too long. Still getting CDs back before Thadrion dies so can put a bit more execution damage to help get him down faster. Was saving second Beacon for Thad adds too.
I hate that fight
cerulean nest
whats the best use of vanish in p2 sark?
extending garrote on boss like usual? or for some other moment
spice spire
only if it's <@226508540746006528>
Stay mad
grim tangle
anyone else here got banned
drifting cloud
I blue log so I dont get banned
grim tangle
"blue log"
royal lantern
I don't log at all
spice spire
Classic yellowr-tichondrius
verbal mantle
fallow canopy
are people banned for big logs or small logs? <:Thinkgers:900980973993357363>
me with the medium logs 
void mesa
I only big log where it doesnt matter : )
vagrant hearth
what is best skill to macro dragonfire bomb with ?
i have beacon also sims say bomb does more dmg but after dungeon beacon does way more than bomb
royal lantern
what is best skill to macro dragonfire bomb with ?
mutilate/FoK
and bomb is a bit shity for dungeons tbh
gusty mirage
and bomb is a bit shity for dungeons tbh
so's assassination, it's a good fit
got em
wary ice
so's assassination, it's a good fit
woeful meteor
is there an eta when the buffs will be in latest on raidbots?
woeful meteor
kk
queen pulsar
Hello there, still no hope for assa rogue in m+ ?
clever sapphire
0 dungeons done as assa this season
smh and you are lecturing me on shit
i was top 1 player on my realm as assa week 1
now im probably top 500
clever sapphire
Hello there, still no hope for assa rogue in m+ ?
what key lvl and define hope
runic hinge
I'm top 2 at 2700
clever sapphire
i dont even have 2700 with all 3 specs together 
sark
its not really ever worth it cause sepsis doesnt do enough dmg to justify it, its only sark because you will have it back again for p2
so doesnt matter
nobody really even holds it cause muscle memory uses it anyways
you use vanish instead
timings are fucked on sark, you will have imp garrote on dm again
vagrant obsidian
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clever sapphire
well i dont know about any other timing where it would be worth it
i dont know it either, all i know that even whispyr said just do normal rota because its such a small gain that its not worth to fuck up your opener for
gusty mirage
iirc whispyr simmed it and it was like an ever so slight gain in like certain scenarios
to the point where it was pretty much neutral
clever sapphire
what the orange guy said
gusty mirage
silk bane
oxi i hope u get sarc daggers and nick of time 
vestal wren
lucky 7
gusty mirage
maybe 6th time for nick of time is the charm
then I'm absolute bis
then what do I do
vestal wren
start to gear for subtlety
gusty mirage
already done
just gotta recraft my rings and neck to crit/vers
and bam
done
lol
I'm about to craft crit vers versions of the rings
with my sparks
vestal wren
farm bis on your new main - avoker for 10.2
vestal wren
purple and green rogue
gusty mirage
so that's out of the question
royal lantern
worth the echo pain 
gusty mirage
but it's not an upgrade for me
royal lantern
or mythic class trinket/any chromatic
marble hemlock
worth the echo pain <:poggers:652288776021999626>
Only a fool would accept it.
royal lantern
:c
royal lantern
Only a fool would accept it.
i litearlly thought "man, that flavor text fits rn"
winter gale
Does new buff change anything regarding rotation, builds?
past forum
Curious to know if they’re gonna tune down NoT when it’s on m+ loot table or are all rogues just gonna be eternally prayge on vault day
winter gale
Stats?
balmy condor
Does new buff change anything regarding rotation, builds?
No
balmy condor
Can’t really change if you buff everything the same amount
winter gale
I assumed but it’s better to ask some1 smart
marble hemlock
Can’t really change if you buff everything the same amount
didnt buff trinkets! 😛
balmy condor
There’s always the one smart ass
marble hemlock
its me. hi. its me.
gusty mirage
didnt buff trinkets! 😛
yes they did
the stat trinkets got indirectly buffed
get fucked ig
marble hemlock
beacon doesnt do 5% more damage tho does it?
gusty mirage
"the stat trinkets"
keen spruce
silk bane
LMFAO
silk bane
bro i took dice thinking it was better rng than beacon and it just never procced last night. its joever man
gusty mirage
dice and essence are better than they were prior to the 5% aura buff
royal lantern
i just noticed that nelth trinket is like 50% of my versatility lmao
marble hemlock
gusty mirage
spice spire
beacon has agi
Holy fuck get hosed idiot
gusty mirage
bro i took dice thinking it was better rng than beacon and it just never procced...
jokes on all of us
marble hemlock
ofc quake immediately slithers his way in here
void mesa
Bomb is the only reliable friend
gusty mirage
everyone else is that friend you get weird vibes from sometimes
whereas bomba is your bff
void mesa
All the others... betrayers. They only give procs to the duck
silk bane
all these trinkets are an rng fiesta
it was between dice and call. i thought die is probable less rng... i thought i was doing the math right but boy im bad at math apparently
it procs like once a pull i hate this thing
spice spire
ofc quake immediately slithers his way in here
Just like I slithered into ur pops
clever sapphire
whereas bomba is your bff
but if i dont get weird wibes from him, can i even call him a best friend
void mesa
I guess OCE is the good friend who is loyal yet not very cool
spice spire
Sass me again and I’ll post it
marble hemlock
Just like I slithered into ur pops
ah thats why he called me this morning, he only calls me when hes bored
spice spire
Nah I told him to call his son; otherwise he wasn’t getting any
He got that dog in him, call me that dog 🙏
marble hemlock
jokes on you, hes in canada on vacation
grand trail
my logs sux but im blasting today raid 😄
spice spire
Nah he’s in America getting ass blasted irl
gusty mirage
call a canadian an american
void mesa
Why are the two green sbs enjoyers fighting again 🙄
gusty mirage
and see wht they say
void mesa
call a canadian an american
Wtf you calling me???
spice spire
Why are the two green sbs enjoyers fighting again 🙄
We’re both old and grumpy
spice spire
canada is in america
Holy moly
gusty mirage
they're the Americans of Canada
void mesa
We’re both old and grumpy
Arent we all, since we all play sin?
spice spire
Nah some of us aren’t grumpy
void mesa
only people from Toronto can be called Americans
That I can agree with
marble hemlock
i play assa
spice spire
@gilded oasis Isn’t grumpy
void mesa
spice spire
I worked 18 hours yesterday. I am in a shit-posty mood 
vestal wren
why is your name meow, if your pfp is a dog
marble hemlock
I worked 18 hours yesterday. I am in a shit-posty mood <a:pepestab:1139020226067...
you always are
gusty mirage
why is your name meow, if your pfp is a dog
he's a fraud
sudden canyon
vestal wren
shouldn't it be "BarkItQuake"?
spice spire
Someone changed my name
marble hemlock
you changed mine yday
spice spire
I think @shrewd night
gusty mirage
now why would meownar do that
misty holly
Weren't they supposed to announc 10.2 at the Gamescon opening ceremony and put the ptr up? I am disappointed.
vestal wren
he wouldnt
cerulean walrus
True
spice spire
cerulean walrus
Uh huh
spice spire
I figured it was meownar, my number one opp
cerulean walrus
Meownar and MeowItQuake need to duke it out
ancient rain
i feel a bit underwhelmed by assa on sark. i thought im gonna be above the unhol dk and aff warlock
past forum
That fight kinda owns for aff how it’s built rn
gusty mirage
why would you think that
50% haste does a lot more for casters than it does for melee
- they're probably getting aug simped and PI'd
and uhdk is uhdk
give them a fuck ton of haste during army
and watch them crank
marble hemlock
sark also has awful timers for a 2min cd class
blazing jewel
I thought they were pretty good
marble hemlock
its fine for a proper kill, but during prog youre 4min into the fight and used 2 deathmarks
boss disappearing right as CDs come back up is kinda cringe
silk bane
when oxi says he loves you, but Achilles once said “i would recognize you in total darkness, were you mute and i deaf. i would recognize you in another lifetime entirely, in different bodies, different times. and i would love you in all of this, until the very last star in the sky burnt out into oblivion. smh.
#love is dead and oxi killed it
spice spire
Dog? You good?
silk bane
not really, sark jail is doing bad stuff to me
blazing jewel
gilded oasis
<@217477209584041985> Isn’t grumpy
spice spire
Or I lied 
gilded oasis
I'm salty not grumpy 
Less salty with a sark kill and also my nuggies for lunch were particularly good
warm sleet
is it worth waiting for 10 stacks of amplifying poison to use envenom?
gilded oasis
gusty mirage
is it worth waiting for 10 stacks of amplifying poison to use envenom?
nah, don't try to play around it
runic hinge
Did you make them in the microwave
gusty mirage
isn't an airfryer just a glorified microwave?
gilded oasis
No I went to McDonald's.. I was at a wedding on Saturday and I'm 98% sure they have McDonald's nugs at the kids table but there was a guard and she yelled at me for trying to get some (I snuck one) so I wanted them.. got me a 4piece
gilded oasis
isn't an airfryer just a glorified microwave?
Hmmm more like glorified oven
runic hinge
Why was there a guard?
gilded oasis
It's just a convection oven
gusty mirage
Hmmm more like glorified oven
jokes on both of us
a microwave is actually a microwave oven
gilded oasis
Idk she was like "we need to make sure there's enough for all the kids".... There were 5 kids there and like a mountain of nuggets
past forum
Rogue culture is being an adult at a wedding and trying to yoink nuggies from the kids table
gilded oasis
Fuck the kids I need some nugs
warm sleet
ive been doing some keys as Sin and people have been giving me compliments for not doing garbage damage. Feels good being in the F tier
gilded oasis
Also I think like every other person also tried lmfao. Fuck the salmon get us nugs
past forum
“Nothing personal, kids” assassinates entire plate of nuggies
royal lantern
“Nothing personal, kids” *assassinates entire plate of nuggies*
i had dino nuggies before the raid today
clever sapphire
ive been doing some keys as Sin and people have been giving me compliments for n...
excuse me, subcreation says D tier not F
void mesa
I cant even find keys anymore, just trying to farm aspects x_x
indigo epoch
It was F yesterday... we got an upgrayyyd?!
indigo epoch
I cant even find keys anymore, just trying to farm aspects x_x
What level keys you trying to get into?
void mesa
16-18, just to get some aspects
2.5k io on 3 characters and still getting declined on my rogue
clever sapphire
only 2.5, also you are not a priest to MD
indigo epoch
Ufda
gilded oasis
Can always list your key then you can't be declined
void mesa
I felt like 2.5k would be enough to tell people "I can do a 17", guess not
gilded oasis
People at that level can't think for themselves.. they watch m+ tier videos and if you aren't in that or being highlighted for being OP you don't get invited
void mesa
yeah... guess I'll just wait for premades to come back online at some point ;-;
gilded oasis
They're probably getting 20+ dps sign ups so they're just like "oh need an evoker.. oh need a priest" not really probably even looking at other people unless they have omega IO
grand trail
im not strong enough 😄
its hard to get use to timings and not just slap everything on cd
subtle tundra
I felt like 2.5k would be enough to tell people "I can do a 17", guess not
cause most poeple would rather get some 3k+ guy to easily carry
runic hinge
I get declined from keys I’ve already timed all the time
frozen iris
I get declined from keys I’ve already timed all the time
Me too…
runic hinge
It’s best to not take it personally and realize there’s dozens of dps signing up for every key
When 10.2 drops and sin is meta we’ll be beating them off with a stick 
ornate dawn
Sims are updated now it seems
austere fulcrum
on echo Mythic, should i keep my 3rd DM ( min 4) to combine with 2nd potion ?
any suggestions ? we are progressing
grand trail
timing of DM is so weird after nerf
i send 3rd dm to last add and than got 4rd dm for like last 10sec
austere fulcrum
i dont know if it is worth dm 3rd add
spice surge
Depends on when you BL and how long the fight is
austere fulcrum
but honestly dont know, need to try and see i guess
spice surge
But likely its worth to just hold it for BL+Pot when you phase him
austere fulcrum
i think i ll have 4 DM s over all, it ll take 6.30 to 7 minutes i guess
keen spruce
just had to ditch my deathmark at the end of p1
austere fulcrum
so u hit 3 DMs but u could do 4 ? or i m missing smt
keen spruce
yeah i only used 3
austere fulcrum
okay, but majority says we DM add ?
spice surge
Depends on how long your P3 is
But for prog you ideally just want as much damage in p3 as possible, the other phases are kinda irrelevant damage wise
austere fulcrum
this leads to my 2nd question, is it worth to take 3/3 Zoldyck ?
since p3 is the blast part
pure moth
But likely its worth to just hold it for BL+Pot when you phase him
My group used bl after first portal but since i held it for bl and pot, i lost a usage of cds. Rip
Should have just used them again in phase 2 i think
keen spruce
this leads to my 2nd question, is it worth to take 3/3 Zoldyck ?
yeah
cuz you're gonna end up holding damage in p1 anyways
and msot likely will be hitting 35% damage stop in p2 at some point as well
so none of that additional damage matters
austere fulcrum
thank u guys it ll help
spice surge
Try to get your DM to line up with BL, losing a cast overall is prob worth for progress as long as you maximize p3 damage
pure moth
It was like 30 seconds off when was using it on cd or trying to. We killed it last night though so ill take the kill.
fierce tulip
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winter gale
Bois, where could I find exact opener for current Sepsis build?
I am going like this: Garrote-SnD-ER-Rupture-Sepsis+DM-Garrote-Shiv-<5CPEnvenom-Muti to<5CP-Envenom...2nd Sepis Garrote on last second of the buff.
grand trail
im holding dm next time for p3
instead last add
but im so lost on most bosses with assa
going to exam scana logs
vagrant hearth
does irideus still oversim?
royal lantern
going big on zskarn
grand trail
i went big on chamber only:D
void mesa
pog, congrats Tryan 
blazing jewel
going to exam scana logs
I would look at any of my older sin logs
I was really really fried for last nights reclear
grand trail
i was looking why you guys playing different opener than one in FAQ
blazing jewel
standard for most is garrote snd ER rupture sepsis dm shiv
grand trail
yxeah noticed
blazing jewel
post this 
balmy condor
does irideus still oversim?
yes
sharp viper
going big on zskarn <:2ez:587982296066424843>
why not numba wan?
balmy condor
scana exists
gaunt moat
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
gusty mirage
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
sharp viper
scana exists
kinda rude
gusty mirage
<@226508540746006528> i failed my community service
sharp viper
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
gz
balmy condor
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
gaunt moat
at least dagger dropped
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> i failed my community service
gaunt moat
3ilvl pog.
spice spire
Listen man
It took oxi 7 weeks
The man’s mental
Shot
But you got it week one
We take the w
quiet oar
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
Congrats
gaunt moat
I feel like we found every posible way to wipe on that boss
The top of the cream was when we used gate when boss at 6% and everyone alive.
And the gate led to a hole.
burnt latch
<a:smoge:883124920719126578>
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P12KbphBG3TNxdV9#fight=24&type=damage-done&phase=4&target=45 look at the sauce i ejected on bossie
0.3%
Felt so bad for the homies
blazing jewel
Sanity at 5%, but we did it.
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P12KbphBG3TNxdV9#fight=24&type=damage-done&...
Bro nah, this ain’t helping this is putting a guild on life support https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P12KbphBG3TNxdV9#fight=24&type=damage-done&target=45
33k above the next highest 
balmy condor
bruh
blazing jewel
Herbo new pfp is solid
spice spire
I feel bad flaming.
But what the fuck
burnt latch
Herbo new pfp is solid
Its saucy as hell aint it
burnt latch
I feel bad flaming.
But what the fuck
I mean theyre a very casual for fun mythic raiding guild
Standards arent very high
spice spire
That’s fair
burnt latch
They’re just there to kill bossies and vibe
spice spire
But that’s also
A concerningly low damage output from the group
To be at mythic echoes
burnt latch
Oh yeah for sure
blazing jewel
How did they beat mag
burnt latch
They were struggling mechanically really bad, i think theyre losing so many globals from that
spice spire
Like you’re at mythic rashok, I get it sure.
But beating mag and rashok with that makes me question a lot
I see
Patron saint of the herbies
burnt latch
They can do damage, but mechanics and having to do damage seems to be an issue
spice spire
They can do damage, but mechanics and having to do damage seems to be an issue
They just like me ong
spice spire
spice spire
True
near valley
Herbs low key advertising Sin damage
burnt latch
”DONT KILL BOSS IM ABOUT TO GET ANOTHER DM”
blazing jewel
7min would be a pretty juiced kill timer for sin
spice spire
Blud what dm you getting at 7 minutes 
burnt latch
Blud what dm you getting at 7 minutes <:ICANT:1030537928235040859>
We didnt send on cd
spice spire
Ur getting my dm that’s what
near valley
You seen his damage?
spice spire
We didnt send on cd
near valley
Who isn't trying to slide into Herbo's DMs
quiet oar
7min would be a pretty juiced kill timer for sin
You are juiced 
burnt latch
First DM pull, 2nd whenever he phases p2 (no hold dps strat but hold 2mins), 3rd DM start p3 with lust
spice spire
If our devoker gets the debuff I’m sending the dm on him, 0 questions asked
burnt latch
That way ud actually get half a DM with these scuffed ass 7.10 timers
spice spire
Bless
blazing jewel
You’re at 7:10 with the no hold strat HUHH
blazing jewel
spice spire
You’re at 7:10 with the no hold strat HUHH
33k ahead of second place blud
burnt latch
One pull almost got fucking spicy
We had no deaths
But were 3 seconds away from the fissure
Idk how that happened
P1 was not juiced
burnt latch
I keep rupture and garrote up and press envenom
near valley
near valley
I keep rupture and garrote up and press envenom
Didn't know we were starting at max difficulty
burnt latch
Hard to say, it felt slower than it does with my own guild pre nerfs. But had a look at other ppls logs and it seems to be a 6min kill bossie now
3 minute classes in absolute shambles they have to hold cds for like 90 seconds
UHDK RIP
blazing jewel
Hard to say, it felt slower than it does with my own guild pre nerfs. But had a ...
6 min boss for sure now
Just don’t hold damage p1
Then you are gated by how long p2 takes because boss will be immune at 2nd add
burnt latch
Yeah thats what we did before too and it was around 6.30 for us
burnt latch
Then you are gated by how long p2 takes because boss will be immune at 2nd add
I hate this
near valley
2 min classes eating good
blazing jewel
Yea
near valley
Fuck demos taking my PIs
blazing jewel
I’m sure there is some cooked strat to layer big dr and break the walls to 2 adds at once
To attempt to break both adds out
near valley
It's evoker time 
blazing jewel
But I’m not sure how that works with the corrupted people being brought out of corruption
burnt latch
Then you are gated by how long p2 takes because boss will be immune at 2nd add
But I assume your 3 minute classes sent their cds on cd?
near valley
For sure there is some degen brewing
blazing jewel
But I assume your 3 minute classes sent their cds on cd?
Not sure
burnt latch
i think if your 3 minute classes play correctly (and u have enough of them) which is to hold for the 4.30 p3 phase and lust, u should have atleast less immunity downtime
Since they’re not getting a 3rd use anyways
blazing jewel
i think if your 3 minute classes play correctly (and u have enough of them) whic...
Yea you right
burnt latch
Smort dh
blazing jewel
Hawwk stonks
balmy condor
@blazing jewel do you sim 140
blazing jewel
Are they updated
blazing jewel
burnt latch
balmy condor
christ
spice spire
Jesus
blazing jewel
450 ring and better wrists
Was that a vault ring or did you convince your guild lol
near valley
Herbo on another level
runic hinge
Herbo is juiced
burnt latch
Vaulted iirc
near valley
blazing jewel
That’s pretty normal?
burnt latch
Aint that the default
balmy condor
defaults 80
blazing jewel
Idk that’s what all the sub rats sim at
burnt latch
^
balmy condor
burnt latch
OH NO
subtle tundra
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vRQ5wGtdo9LgKWRUGA2ifC
your character is ugly
near valley
True
burnt latch
your character is ugly
Youre beautiful
near valley
Not even low-key
balmy condor
balmy condor
scana's for example doesn't have it
near valley
Dwarves in 2023????
balmy condor
<:dead:932888396316155934>
don't worry don herbo I will defend your honor
spice spire
Also feel like 85 is fairly hard to replicate in general no
gaunt moat
@blazing jewel how are you this juiced
spice spire
Like looking at warcieft’s beautiful 100 on magmo
72% rage uptime
spice spire
<@102169801366970368> how are you this juiced
He’s a loser
blazing jewel
Isn’t mag bad for corrupting rage
burnt latch
Yeah this is with default everything i think
blazing jewel
Compared to most other encounters in the raid
near valley
Isn’t mag bad for corrupting rage
If ur bad sure
burnt latch
don't worry don herbo I will defend your honor
gaunt moat
I'm at like 133k
near valley
Just get a personal healer 5head
blazing jewel
No not for the dot
blazing jewel
Like the dot damage messing with the rage proc
near valley
Like the dot damage messing with the rage proc
Could be, but a lot of fights got DoTs that can mess with rage iirc
balmy condor
idk why it says this btw definitely not edited very weird bug
burnt latch
loot or vault
Vault
spice spire
I take it all back
blazing jewel
Herbo got the mastery goggles on
spice spire
Warcieft’s other bits
blazing jewel
Dripped out
spice spire
85+ he’s simply built diff
balmy condor
How’s Blud getting 86% on sark
you ever witness true pain?
grand trail
i neec some coaching im so bad
burnt latch
How’s Blud getting 86% on sark
Mechanics dont dare to occur to me so i dont take damage
They know theyll lose
spice spire
balmy condor
86% corrupting rage uptime
brother I'm almost there
balmy condor
I think corrupting is just free after they changed it, especially as alch
burnt latch
I started using it because it mirrored my mental state, stayed for the massive dps gains
spice spire
Real
blazing jewel
I think corrupting is just free after they changed it, especially as alch
And none of the fights do damage anymore
balmy condor
ye
blazing jewel
Been turbo nerfed
grand trail
corruption potion usage is discussed and semi banned in my guild all the time
blazing jewel
grand trail
im one of few brave enough to use as i never die
near valley
Alright im off to bed gents, have a lovely night/evening
Xoxo
gusty mirage
Also feel like 85 is fairly hard to replicate in general no
85% is about average
80% is the "safe" option
deft vault
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subtle kiln
86% corrupting rage uptime
90 on the ret. even sacing some fools.
main crypt
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gaunt moat
@blazing jewel And i didn't even have windfury.
need to pump more boss and less sim!
blazing jewel
<@102169801366970368> And i didn't even have windfury.
need to pump more boss an...
what boss is this
gaunt moat
sark
(I'm joking, this is just set to boss damage)
blazing jewel
BRO I WAS DOING BOMBS
runic hinge
Owned
grand trail
im not even on kick duty for some reasone
marble hemlock
@blazing jewel the moment you became someones kitten, you lost
you can ask @rigid mango
blazing jewel
plebs my daddy
balmy condor
I thought you were the pleb
blazing jewel
pleb is the most ethical boomie in existence
marble hemlock
no such thing
sudden canyon
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gaunt moat
omg i'm deaddddddddddddd 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Sin doesn't do anything 😂
yeah only like one of the highest boss dps on that fight
grand trail
i was second at boss dmg on our today kill
shut owl
If you aren't top of my details snapshot at all times you are dead weight
gaunt moat
Only damage that matters is padding on small adds
clever sapphire
If you aren't top of my details snapshot at all times you are dead weight
this coming from an assa rogue, you perma benched then right?
gaunt moat
Scana must be the only sin rogue in wow doing bombs.
clever sapphire
On rashok prog. My wife is trying to make me go Aug. Feelsbad
tell her she can mow the lawn if you have to go aug
shut owl
I'm also wife, and shes the butch landscaping type... So I don't think this will work
spice spire
@blazing jewel
blazing jewel
bro
shut owl
Unrelated, anyone else having fun with shroud/stealth breaking in raid from corruption phial since patch?
clever sapphire
I've not used shroud yet
subtle tundra
waweewa
shut owl
I was spooked by it... But then I wound up maxing toxic alchemy anyways so I figured I might as well run it so that I can be part of the "massive damage taken on prog" club too
spice spire
@indigo ether come get your kitten in line 
indigo ether
scana can talk when he has to run 3 bombs every night
blazing jewel
oh no daddy is here
grand trail
This channel 😂
clever sapphire
banger right
spice spire
scana can talk when he has to run 3 bombs every night
Bless you
spice spire
oh no daddy is here
Yeah delete this one nephew
blazing jewel
spice spire
drifting cloud
blazing jewel
Yeah delete this one nephew
youre just mad you arent him
spice spire
?
I have an anti-daddy kink dog it activates my fight or flight
I feel like this story has been told at least a dozen times in ravenholdt
runic hinge
youre just mad you arent him
Did someone else change your name or did you
blazing jewel
uhh yea totally changed it myself
balmy condor
yall wild
gaunt moat
Scana's RL is wild
subtle kiln
I have an anti-daddy kink dog it activates my fight or flight
go find some tofu to rail
subtle kiln
you have doctor issues, not daddy issues.
spice spire
Papi doesn’t bother me
Specifically it’s the word daddy. It’s a trauma caused by an ex
subtle kiln
well damn.
misty kernel
pog assa buffs
fading mason
pog
earnest remnant
shouldve pressed N
misty kernel
shouldve pressed N
what is the key what is the key lvl that what matters bro
my key was 29 UR
toxic night
can assa beat sub in overall in some dungeons ?
gusty mirage
can assa beat sub in overall in some dungeons ?
n
lofty gazelle
With that overall it has to be brackenhide or freehold
onyx coyote
Wish I could do that i have issues with keeping my dps up when chain pulls happen
misty kernel
With that overall it has to be brackenhide or freehold
what matters more is key lvl too bro
onyx coyote
I know i'm doing something wrong just dont know what
gusty mirage
might not be you
might be your tank
if the tank chains when there's 1 mob at like 8% health
that's gonna brick your damage
onyx coyote
yes thats what happens
gusty mirage
yeah that's the tank griefing
onyx coyote
i cant get back into stealth
somber sparrow
tanks either need to pull and have about 5 mobs all the time or let stuff that's almost dead die for a restealth
gusty mirage
^
frozen iris
Stealth isn’t that big of damage increase btw
gusty mirage
if your tank is chaining 1-2 mobs below 10% health
they're bricking your damage
you're not getting the energy rolling from previous pack
and you're missing out on improved garrotes
it's legit the worst thing they can do
onyx coyote
thats good to know ty i will let htem know next time
dark moth
How much haste do I need to do these overalls?
frozen iris
Sim it
gusty mirage
How much haste do I need to do these overalls?
I will ban you Jet
frozen iris
It’s the easiest way
toxic night
Stealth isn’t that big of damage increase btw
gusty mirage
go back to warlock & evoker discords you bitch @dark moth
earnest remnant
what is the key what is the key lvl that what matters bro
was a 26 bracken
visual walrus
earnest remnant
tyran
misty kernel
was a 26 bracken
ill do a 27 bh or 26 as assa and see difference
frozen iris
I’m aware of what it does. But @balmy condor has said countless times before that it’s not that big of a damage increase
gusty mirage
proper chaining minimizes the loss from losing restealths
but if you got scuffed chaining
you're better off getting restealths
frozen iris
Now if you are going on how bad it feels then I would agree but In actuality it’s not that big
But also add to what oxi said
toxic night
doesnt seem logical to me when garrote is your top overall dmg and the talent literally increases dmg by 50 % ? idk how its not big
misty kernel
gusty mirage
because with big enough pulls & proper chaining crimson tempest will be your top damage (or close to it)
frozen iris
Im not the theorycrafted whispyr is. He does the math and I’m sure you might find it mentioned in this channel if you look hard enough.
toxic night
ah alright thank you !
balmy condor
You got downtime between pulls
You got ramp requirements
End of pulls with no dots do dogshit damage during cleave
Things don’t die evenly
If you’re chaining you’re maintaining energy, you’re able to aoe properly the whole time
Improved garrote is good, but forcing a restealth every pack is going to hurt your damage, and everyone elses
And it’s gonna make keys more difficult to time
toxic night
okaay thnx for the explanation
unlucky then we cant fully utilize the talent i guess
frozen iris
Yeah it feels shitty not being able to get them off without vanish
turbid quail
when do we use beacon on opener?
gusty mirage
when do we use beacon on opener?
gar > snd > er > rupture > beacon > rest of the opener
turbid quail
tyty
gusty mirage
onyx coyote
i do miss when exanguinate actually worked right
runic hinge
pure moth
Dang, sin pumps if pulled optimally in keys
onyx coyote
i run mainly with an aug and its quite nice when everything procs
past forum
So my guild is progging on experiments, I’ve been playing sub but was thinking of giving sin a try this week. We’re holding cds til 2nd boss (pushing at just under a minute), but I was thinking of still using sepsis on pull since that would be +1 use and the 3rd would be up for 2nd DM. Does that make any sense or would it better to just full hold?
spare bloom
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worn sorrel
Yeah it feels shitty not being able to get them off without vanish
we should have a 45sec vanish for m+ tbh
or 2 charges at least
frozen iris
we should have a 45sec vanish for m+ tbh
Sepsis?
worn sorrel
i have no clue about raid thingies, but maybe that's valid option post rework?
frozen iris
Might be. Line up well with IC
worn sorrel
I really think assa has a lot of potential for m+
frozen iris
Sepsis is 1 min I think I can’t remember
worn sorrel
Not S tier potential but at least something good
frozen iris
Actually shadow dance might count for imp garrote. Although I hate shadow dance
blazing jewel
not a whole lot to do in p2
you sepsis dm sark as soon as you come back up
then just dot big add and hit sark
balmy condor
link the log
gilded oasis
🪵
cerulean nest
then just dot big add and hit sark
that's basically all I'm doing but it feels awful lol
being literal bottom dps
blazing jewel
you gain a ton of damage in p3
blazing jewel
because you will get to reopen and dm with the haste buff
cerulean nest
that's what I'm holding out for
blazing jewel
sin execute is pretty strong
balmy condor
sort by boss dam
blazing jewel
youll catch up
gilded oasis
I wish that was me
iron vigil
Is the irideus fragment still simming wrong?
runic hinge
Is the irideus fragment still simming wrong?
Yes
silk bane
what happened here man, we used to come here with the shared passion of the arts of the kitchen and cook all day. now look at us. no slow mode, no extreme cooks. ripge
its almost like we're reformed
daring minnow
I'm terms of stats, is it relatively easy to change from sub to sin? I know we gotta change our boots
balmy condor
Secondaries aren’t important unless you’re min maxing
Usually sub rogues will have too much vers
The boot swap is like 800 dps
At most
balmy condor
By how much is it wrong? maybe use Beacon instead or its minimally wrong?
19%
You do not consider fragment
Ever
Forget it exists
distant hinge
i figured it had been long enough it got fixed. I only got it like amontha go and been using it
daring minnow
Secondaries aren’t important unless you’re min maxing
Word, thanks. Yeah prolly have to recraft some vers heavy items
balmy condor
i figured it had been long enough it got fixed. I only got it like amontha go an...
Yeh idk it’s not an easy fix from what I hear
candid dragon
my stats for assassin right now are 41% crit 12% vers and 64% mast
distant hinge
ya sounds kinda a pain to code for the decay
candid dragon
when i switch to sub its 42% crit 94% mast
runic hinge
ya sounds kinda a pain to code for the decay
The trinket counts mutilate as 2 spells and the sim doesn’t take any stacks for it from what I remember.
candid dragon
so beacon or class trink?
runic hinge
Depends on which flavor of rng you like
Do you wanna pray for beacon crits or pray for class trink to actually proc and proc during cds
balmy condor
my stats for assassin right now are 41% crit 12% vers and 64% mast
These numbers mean nothing just sim yourself
balmy condor
Never sim stat weights
balmy condor
Top gear; gear compare, droptimizer
The fact that stat weights is in a hidden sub-folder and has a big warning banner should warn you enough :P
distant hinge
thata is prob a good guideline though TBH if he coming from Sub he prob has like 2% haste lol
but ya gear compare and dropmizer is 1000% better for figuring out gear
sharp viper
but it lines up so perfectly with exsanguinate
grand trail
PI line up with DM I heard
spice spire
nothing is lining up with exsanguinate bucko
Blud didn’t change his name
blazing jewel
I kinda like being a submissive kitten you feel me
earnest remnant
spice spire
sharp viper
nothing is lining up with exsanguinate bucko
my hope's and dreams do
gusty mirage
I kinda like being a submissive kitten you feel me
?????
blazing jewel
??????????????????????
agile crest
hi guys im new to rogue but im having trouble on what is better and im not sure how to sim it. which is better on weapons. AP or buzzing rune
spice spire
hi guys im new to rogue but im having trouble on what is better and im not sure ...
Generally buzzing however you can change how that is here
agile crest
Generally buzzing however you can change how that is here
Ty i appreciate it!
candid dragon
thata is prob a good guideline though TBH if he coming from Sub he prob has like...
lmaoo i have 0% haste as sub
LOL
distant hinge
even with tier?
runic hinge
even with tier?
Slimy boots+patch got my sub set to 0%
distant hinge
ohh ya i was sub but night elf so i get 1% at night
runic hinge
I am also a Nelf and I’m at -10 haste lol
rich vine
Mastery rune sims higher btw
blazing jewel
runes depend on your setup
vestal wren
^ just sim it (below your /simc in advanced):
###################
### Weapon enchants
###################
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (mastery) Hissing rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="no weapon oil"
temporary_enchant=disabled
copy="Weapon: (crit) Buzzin rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
oh interesting, I'm gonna test mixed rune setups with that
swift moss
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solid forge
wowanalyzer is updated or not ?
clever sapphire
Sepsis finally getting added to wowa, rework hits and sepsis is unplayable
Would be fun times
solid forge
can someone help me looking at my logs then if someone have time for it ?
there is other fights
clever sapphire
Paste it into wowa in the meantime, that gives you a pretty good context on what you could get better at already
solid forge
wowa says that i'm not that bad actually, but i'm sure i'm doing shit
i'm only playing sin for like 1week
clever sapphire
Its pretty well optimised for assa, so if its telling you that you doing good
Then you doing good
blazing jewel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/47XtTQVYJKHPr2qf#fight=46&type=damage-done ...
vanish 14 seconds in is kinda weirdge