assassination

[balmy condor]

fuck that

[clever sapphire]

he doesnt have mfd so probably not

[balmy condor]

I wonder if sims can handle this

[quiet oar]

Take one point out of seal fate

[near valley]

Only FoK spam

[balmy condor]

amp poison no DTB

vile

[solid forge]

feels like we've too much good things in the class tree there

[balmy condor]

yeouch

[near valley]

Not bad

[clever sapphire]

im also not gonna use numbing/slowing poison, they dont do dmg so why would i put it on

[solid forge]

i love to feel worse

[clever sapphire]

i mean it do be fun sometimes to play assa in keys, i hate it on tyra weeks tho

[near valley]

Build has potential

[clever sapphire]

my keys are too low and trash dies too fast

atleast in fort weeks they live 5 seconds longer

[solid forge]

i personnaly love when trashs packs lives for 15 secs and tank iss chain pulling without letting me stealth

[clever sapphire]

you probably simmed with good gear

[clever sapphire]

eh you get over the fact of chain pulls sooner or later

just use vanish for imp garrote on bigger pulls

[quiet oar]

Use vanish for cheap shot and Pick pocket

[solid forge]

i'm just insulting my friend tank works most of the time

[balmy condor]

👏 chain
👏 pulls
👏 don't
👏 hurt
👏 your
👏 dps

[clever sapphire]

i love me my chain pulls, i also love los-ing my ranged players when tanking so they get triggered

[quiet oar]

Whispyr has spoken

[clever sapphire]

yes they do, if i use chains on neltharus the mobs die meaning less dps for me

[solid forge]

i love to spam garrote 😦

[clever sapphire]

btw guys i realised im truly cursed, my daily food for work in the morning always costs 6,66€

[near valley]

[midnight mist]

I was curious so I checked and apparently sin loses as much from not getting restealth than outlaw

so about 1%

I didnt know that was this low for sin

[clever sapphire]

cant lose much if you never had anything to begin with

[midnight mist]

I guess I got gaslight by this channel once again

[quiet oar]

But my garrote

[clever sapphire]

never trust assa rogues in this channel

actually in general

[balmy condor]

yes, that's what I've been saying in this channel for the last 5 years

[quiet oar]

But why should we trust you

Its Not like you are an admin or cf

[balmy condor]

it's not like restealths in m+ not mattering has been like one of my core things that I have to tell everyone constantly ever since I joined

along with assa suffers just as much from downtime as the other specs

[hollow cedar]

So I only read that not restealthing is a dps loss

[royal lantern]

tl:dr :getting energy+mainstat from having bleeds allready runing is good if you chainpull

[midnight mist]

I mean

I didnt sim with chain pull here tho lol

just sitting afk instead of stealthing between packs

so no pre ic and shit

[royal lantern]

the only point where "chainpulls bad" is true, is if you have a pug hero tank that "chainpulls" by pulling the next pack when the current one has 4% hp left

[midnight mist]

so ye probably even less impactfull in reality

sucky sim L

[vestal wren]

you at least didn't put every line in a separate message

[balmy condor]

I will never become outlaw brained

cause you have upgrades to get

[vestal wren]

can also wait for the na reset to sim again after

free dps

[balmy condor]

sub reroller gear with 75% vers and slimy boots will do that

[clever sapphire]

is it already starting? rerollers asking why their dmg sucks

(also he sims more than me im pretty sure )

[candid goblet]

not even rerolling, just testing so I can compare the two

need more haste and less vers, I suppose

[balmy condor]

more mastery probably

[empty tide]

sub gear

[clever sapphire]

why is haste the first assumption that people are lacking when they ask about assa stats?

[candid goblet]

I didn't think that + the gear upgrades would make 7k dps difference, But I'll see what I can do

[empty tide]

lot of vers

[hollow cedar]

For me it was mainly mastery but Vers didn’t sim far behind when I switched

[candid goblet]

Because Sub's have ridiculously low amount of Haste

[balmy condor]

haste used to be the assa stat

when we were like 25 apm slower

3 expacs ago

[empty tide]

haste = more dot procs

must be assa bis

you legit get 10% haste and you character is begging not to get more haste

[balmy condor]

ye pretty much as far as the average person thinks

[clever sapphire]

ah no wonder i dont know about it

[empty tide]

100% haste on nyalotha

[balmy condor]

assa always was slow so now that its not, peoples brains melt trying to conceptualize that haste might not actually be that good

[quiet oar]

Whisp

What is the haste and crit breakpoint

And why is it 10 and 34%

[raven merlin]

i crafted like 4 haste/mastery pieces, have haste gems and my char wants more haste

[balmy condor]

3 15 2 7 23 wiith a powerball of 6

[clever sapphire]

ask for PI

[balmy condor]

happens sometimes depending on gear

[quiet oar]

[clever sapphire]

tell them its your highest simming stat

[raven merlin]

i do, sometimes i get dat

[royal lantern]

like, majority of my gear is crit/mastery lmao

haste is just not dead for assa, thats it

[quiet oar]

Back in Legion

Where crit haste was nice

Iirc

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt bother looking up what stats i need, so crit mastery on almost everything, have like 2 pieces with crit/vers since i sometimes touch the other 2 specs

[raven merlin]

i think i have the same gear as other assas, so i dont know why my char want dat

[empty tide]

having 200% mastery on legion was fun

[quiet oar]

Legion the expac where secondary Stats were better than Main Stat

[empty tide]

you just had to pray for poison bomb procs

so they did 25% of your boss dmg

[quiet oar]

True

[royal lantern]

wasnt legion mastery country for assa

[balmy condor]

legion was crit mast

[quiet oar]

Wasnt it also haste

[balmy condor]

no haste was shit

[quiet oar]

In nighthold

[royal lantern]

i just remember BIG mastery numbers during legion

[quiet oar]

Wait what

[royal lantern]

iirc, haste legit did nothing during legion for rogue

[balmy condor]

haste didnt increase dot tick rate in legion

[quiet oar]

My memory is again shit

[royal lantern]

like, only attack speed

and during legion auto attacks where like, 0,5% of your dmg

[quiet oar]

My memory isnt good i guess

But you couldnt choose the Stats anyways

You had be lucky to get something with bis Stats out of vault

[royal lantern]

"Vault"

it was still weekly chest Back then

holy shit how did we play with that for 2expansions

[quiet oar]

You only had to Do 1 15 a week

And had 1 Chance for All the items in dungeons

And there were a lot of dungeons

[quiet oar]

Tbf we had Bonus rolls and the Mission table Cache for Extra loot

Raid loot

[deft flicker]

We just did

Titanforging was a thing

Imagine being able to loot 450 dagger from normal Sark

[balmy condor]

yeah titanforge treadmill for m+

made the weekly box irrelevant

[quiet oar]

Tbf, mythic loot from Mission table or Bonus rolls were nice

Dunno which gsve more Upgrades

Bonus rolls and table or vault every week

[deft flicker]

Legion mission table was probably the best iteration they had

[balmy condor]

reintroducing the same system but worse is kinda blizzard's thing for the last couple expacs

[clever sapphire]

true, look what they did to my poor bonespike

[deft flicker]

Unfortunately, yeah. Although the gear upgrade stuff was first tried in like WoD or smth

But it was very limited

[quiet oar]

Wasnt it in mop

[deft flicker]

It might’ve been

[quiet oar]

In pretty Sure you could Upgrade stuff in mop

With valor points

[deft flicker]

Oh yeah true

[quiet oar]

And justice points

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/toppo-db-gif-10320167

[balmy condor]

1. lay groundwork for good system
2. it's the first version so its kinda crap but it's got potential
3. minor interations in the 2-3 major patches
4. expac over -> delete system
5. next expac -> reintroduce same system but watered down
6. people hate system cause it was watered down
7. well people hate it so we delete it
8. start from beginning

[deft flicker]

Blozzard moment

[balmy condor]

y'all remember the shadowlands mission table?

jesus christ

[deft flicker]

I feel like it was just Raid Shadow Legends plunged into WoW

[near valley]

Ez money tbf

Farmville type beat

Being forced to do them though was not it

[balmy condor]

did you play during wod/legion mission table?

[deft flicker]

Do you think they remove stuff like rank 4 essences, Veilstrider, artifact trees and other huge stuff because they fear people might not want to go to new content??

[near valley]

Nah but I've heard the tales

People still used WoD mission tables in SL

[balmy condor]

I mean I think they remove that stuff in order for new stuff to happen. Change is important just for the sake of change in order to stop things from getting stale. The issue just becomes when the lessons and the actual good parts of the content that got removed isn't taken forwards

like artifact weapons were really cool, but you look at soulbinds trying to emulate that

and it just ain't it

[near valley]

Veilstrider was just for vanity sake tbf

[near valley]

Mage tower appearances

Yeah but also soulbinds at beginning of SL were nails

[deft flicker]

They could technically bring those back, they reopened the mage tower challenges

[near valley]

Nah

They wont

Unless they are in such dire straits

[balmy condor]

legacy unobtainables are good for the game too

[near valley]

I agree

Gives me a reason not to miss out on the next ones

Also flexing rights

[clever sapphire]

like the mounts we got from trading post? (im pretty sure there were mounts you could get from there that are not obtainable anymore, correct me if im wrong tho)

[near valley]

Everytime I see a warrior with the challenge mode weapons I cry and salute

[near valley]

Were recruit a friend or tcg ones

[balmy condor]

I don't think some of the mounts should come back in trading post

[near valley]

AH Mount should come back to the fricking bmah atleast

It's already a race against time to get the lil shit b4 the bots put the price to goldcap

But something like spectral tiger probs shouldn't ever be on the trading post

[quiet oar]

Cm Sets staying unontainable so you can flex on every bfa/sl zoomer

[deft flicker]

I love taking Ls and internally beating myself for not picking the game up earlier

[balmy condor]

I beat myself every night before bed

[deft flicker]

Same

[balmy condor]

socks on or off

[deft flicker]

Off

[balmy condor]

based

[drifting cloud]

not bots, just people more prepared than you

[balmy condor]

gotta let the dogs get fresh air when ur beatin it

its a necessity

[near valley]

Let me make excuses for my shit response time

[near valley]

Lick ur own toes?

[deft flicker]

Also stuff like mage tower or essences feels like a “dude you won’t ever want to change main because you’ll never get these things again”

[balmy condor]

nah just gotta get em out from under the covers to feel the breeze

[near valley]

Wearing socks to bed is a psychotic thing to do

[near valley]

Just main everything 5head

[balmy condor]

my gf wears socks to bed cause she always complains her feet are cold

[deft flicker]

I should’ve thought about that, yeah

[quiet oar]

[near valley]

Just tell her to stick her toes in the oven b4 bed

Works like a charm

[deft flicker]

I feel dumb for not picking this game up in like 2011

[balmy condor]

almost was a deal breaker but I had to push onwards in the name of love

[near valley]

Scott Pilgrim didn't best the bad guy using the power of love

Just saying

[balmy condor]

pilgrams also killed a lot of native americans

[deft flicker]

Oddly relatable, probably blood circulation issues. I just wear warm socks all year round and have a warm blanket

[quiet oar]

I picked it up in 2012 or 2013

[near valley]

It do be like that when your playing Sid Meier's Civilization

[quiet oar]

Cant Remember

[deft flicker]

Lucky you

[balmy condor]

can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

[quiet oar]

4 cm Sets

[near valley]

They died so that Wendy's could have square burgers

Their sacrifice won't be in vain

[deft flicker]

I started in like 2016, but wasn’t an altoholic till like late shlands. Changed my mains quite a lot though, so missed out on almost all of the no longer obtainable stuff

And it haunts me

[near valley]

Just don't miss out on any more

[deft flicker]

Did you get all of the phoenixes as well??

[quiet oar]

Yes

[deft flicker]

Noice

[quiet oar]

But afaik they changed it

[balmy condor]

amen

[quiet oar]

So you could get them all with one play through

[deft flicker]

Easier said than done

[clever sapphire]

play classic, in a few years they will hit dragonflight too

[near valley]

I like how the phoenixes still appear on the collection page. As if they can be collected still lmao

[deft flicker]

They used to be character-bound IIRC

[quiet oar]

Idk tbh

[deft flicker]

Technically you still can if you have the eggs. Vendor is still there

[quiet oar]

I did it with shaman, hunter, monk and rogue

[near valley]

I really miss MoP legendary cloaks

They look nice to mog

[quiet oar]

Legendary cloak Was such a nice legy

[deft flicker]

Yeah

[quiet oar]

True chad legy

[deft flicker]

Hope the MoP cloaks and WoD rings come back some day

[near valley]

I like when I decide to play the game seriously is when blizz stops coming out with cool shit that become unobtainable

[deft flicker]

Older leggos are still there to be farmed

[near valley]

Biggest regret is not buying the physical Cataclysm box when I was 11

Cause I thought WoW was for losers

Actually I must have been 8 then

[deft flicker]

The seasonal stuff is still there. 0.1% titles, gladiator/KSH mounts, tournament realm banners

[near valley]

Yeah but besides glad

KSM and that is something everyone and their mother has

Now Glad is a flex tbf

Hardest ass content in the game unless u can afford paying 1k for a boost

[deft flicker]

Yea

Well, they started bringing back some removed content at least, so there’s hope for me. I’ve seen a Reddit post with an idea to bring back really old gladiator mogs for some hefty prices but that feels weird

[near valley]

Pretty sure you can get old glad mogs

Except for shit from WoD to Legion where u need the rating

[grand trail]

Is it worth spreading bleeds on zskarn?

[balmy condor]

If a golem walks past you sure

[clever sapphire]

Time to play ic on zskarn

Spread that shit

What about bonespike on zskarn

[slow tulip]

assa buff and sarc nerf on the same day

big

[gaunt moat]

If we don't kill sark tomorrow i'll be donating my liver to charity.

feels like my raid completly panics when they get to phase 3

[clever sapphire]

tell them to stop it

[gaunt moat]

after 200+ wipes you'd think they would not

[clever sapphire]

are you on discord? play some dumb soundboard effect when you hit p3 so it relaxes their brain

[gaunt moat]

good idea, i'll spam "Bruh.mp3"

[royal lantern]

everytime somone gets a avlidable stack

[clever sapphire]

or you could get the season 1 affix thingy where rasza shouted every time, might give them enough ptsd flashbacks to make them forget sark p3 scaryness

[gaunt moat]

I think discord would break

[clever sapphire]

make a weakaura that does it and share it, saying "it tracks whats under your feet, helps with dodging swirlies"

[gaunt moat]

do you know the name of the swirlie spell?
i wanna check how much people got hit by that last time

[clever sapphire]

nah sadly, i dont even know my own spells names

[raven merlin]

Motes of Oblivion

[gaunt moat]

yeah, just found on my own, but thanks 🙂

uh, actually doesn't look like it's an issue. i see only people that supposed to get him by them that got hit.

[clever sapphire]

so they just do the suck

[gaunt moat]

It's kinda hard for me to know, cause as a rogue, It's kinda impossible to die, and every boss is just easy.

[clever sapphire]

biggest thing that always hits me when playing alts, is the fact that i cant cloak/evasion everything

and i just fall over if heal is shit, cause no CD

[raven merlin]

and u cant cheatdeath

[clever sapphire]

(ye said it just above your message xd)

[onyx crane]

Why blizz hate assa 😦

[tawny pike]

people complained too much about exansguinating people on wpvp and watching they bleed out and die.

outlaw have it worse tho

[gusty mirage]

Do they?

Seems rather odd to buff a spec you hate by 5%

[clever sapphire]

Only 5%

Must hate us

Not even 20

[gusty mirage]

True

[clever sapphire]

Not fixing a bug on a talent 90% hate

[midnight mist]

I mean you guys need like a 50% buff to be viable in m+ tho

so ye

[gusty mirage]

Not really

[clever sapphire]

We are viable

[gusty mirage]

A 50% buff doesn’t fix anything for m+

Assassination’s damage profile is just bad for m+

Is what it is

[midnight mist]

eh

[gusty mirage]

Considering the two other “dot specs” have forms of instant damage, it’s not “eh”

[midnight mist]

outlaw damage profile is bad for m+ aswell I dont think its really an issue most of the times

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw’s damage profile isn’t bad for m+, you idiots don’t like waiting more than 1s to press a button so you have no burst

[midnight mist]

I have no idea what that means

[gusty mirage]

Translate it idk

[midnight mist]

what make sin damage bad for m+

[gusty mirage]

It’s a dot spec with zero burst

[midnight mist]

ok but outlaw have zero burst aswell

[gusty mirage]

vs pushing buttons and doing damage instantly

Idk what’s confusing about that

[royal lantern]

i think zac means with "dmg Profile bad for m+" cus m+/the entire game is around burst rn, and outlaw has no burst

[solid mica]

Dot specs in big pulls that need to die instantly arent very good in keys

Outlaws is instant with prio

And not losing aoe doing it

[midnight mist]

I mean lol

any spec in the game goes into a pack and delete it doing 1 mil dps

outlaw catch up after 5 min of aoe

its the same thing

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw’s lack of burst is because outlaw players cry every time their apm shifts downward

Not because of the damage profile

[midnight mist]

I think specs can still be decent without burst in m+

[gusty mirage]

The damage profile is the same one that was in bfa

It’s just your apm increased by 20

[solid mica]

Without burst you fill the gaps when the other 2 dps dont have cds

[gusty mirage]

And outlaw was pretty good in bfa

Not sure if you guys remember

[royal lantern]

more apm=less dmg with single abilitys

[gusty mirage]

When the play was double outlaw rogue

[grand trail]

@royal lantern 🤡

[thorny pond]

triple

[royal lantern]

double? tripple in some cases lol

[midnight mist]

ok but what does that apply to outlaw but not sin

[gusty mirage]

Nah needed the monk debuff

[royal lantern]

ignore that guy, his takes are all cursed lmao

[midnight mist]

I dont get the argument here really

[gusty mirage]

Have you ever played assassination? Like ever?

In any content?

[midnight mist]

ye

[gusty mirage]

So you realize there’s a ramp up time correct?

[midnight mist]

yes

well barely rn but sure yes

[gusty mirage]

Meaning from pull to pull it takes time to put up your bleeds, which does damage over time

[midnight mist]

yes I understand that

[solid mica]

Cause even in cases when packs die instantly you dont waste much as outlaw with sin currently you waste your IC and venetta then have nothing

[gusty mirage]

Meaning your damage over time abilities (which is different than pressing a button and instant damage), take globals to be applied

I’m confused where your confusion comes from

[solid mica]

They just need to make CT subsequent casts do instant dmg or something

[gusty mirage]

Or is that the new outlaw thing

To butt into conversations to feel relevant

[midnight mist]

maybe im delusional, but I think dot specs can work in m+?

[gusty mirage]

For sure

[royal lantern]

oxi choosed violence today

well, more the ussualy atleast

[gusty mirage]

Aff lock drowning in representation in m+

[midnight mist]

just have to make it worth to have more dots

[solid mica]

They can but they need some amount of decision to do dmg instantly

In aoe

[grand trail]

Zero was playing in higher key's assa

Long long before aug come

[solid mica]

Thats all he plays

[royal lantern]

we have that with scent of blood

doenst help lmao

[gusty mirage]

He also presses fan of knives in single target, what’s your point?

[solid mica]

Hes a great player doesnt mean its great

[midnight mist]

yes but why is this talent not better then

[subtle kiln]

just press BF and spread all the dots. problem solves itself

[clever sapphire]

Outlaw starts at a dmg and keeps that up for 10 minutes, burst specs currently start at 1 mill dps and end at outlaws dps after 3 minutes. Assa starts at no dps and ends up at outlaw dps after 1 minute

[midnight mist]

seems like a perfect way to have sin more viable in m+

[grand trail]

I'm just saying that it's possible but I never played asaa in keys

[royal lantern]

thats the best thing you EVER said holy shit

[midnight mist]

ok thats just tuning tho

[subtle kiln]

nope

[midnight mist]

for me dot specs should just be inverted burst you feel me

start low end up high

catch up like that

outlaw start mid stay mid

[gusty mirage]

But they don’t end up high lol

[midnight mist]

yes

[solid mica]

If they made CT do instant dmg and one of the spells spread like a plague maybe itd work

[gusty mirage]

Because blizzard hates multi dotting

[midnight mist]

but thats just a tuning issue tho

[gusty mirage]

So going back to my original point

The damage profile sucks for m+, it is what it is

[clever sapphire]

I have good takes if i try

[gusty mirage]

Thanks for playing mr blade flurry

[midnight mist]

wtf i got dotted

[clever sapphire]

Ye thats why assa currently shit, cause we never end up high. We ramp till mid, we dont ramp till big dps

[grand trail]

Oxi toxic

[subtle kiln]

oxi being truthful

[midnight mist]

I can fix sin

[subtle kiln]

not toxic

[royal lantern]

cant spell toxic without oxi

[thorny pond]

You can fix her huh?

[midnight mist]

just buff the agi per dot tlaent thingy until its broken

tuning issue

[grand trail]

His truethul hurts

[subtle kiln]

maybe fix outlaw first so they stop hanging out in the sub and assa channel.

[gusty mirage]

You can’t butt into a conversation about dot specs being bad for m+ with “well outlaw’s damage profile sucks too :((((“ and expect me to be nice about it

Shadow priest is good because their damage is actually a lot of instant damage now

[midnight mist]

not really what I said

[gusty mirage]

And they have a metric fuck ton of utility

[midnight mist]

I just think that non burst specs cna also be good in m+

[subtle kiln]

since when?

[gusty mirage]

Sure, but not dot classes

[thorny pond]

prio damage with aoe/cleave and utility

[midnight mist]

example being outlaw that is relativelly alright

[thorny pond]

busted

[subtle kiln]

outlaw is “curse” flat dmg press a button aoe

nothing else is like that

[gusty mirage]

That’s like having a conversation about cats being good pets and someone comes in and says “well birds are good pets too”

Like great

[clever sapphire]

Cats are good at keeping us as pets

[royal lantern]

so you hate dogs huh?

[midnight mist]

mybe im dumb but what happen if you omega buff this thing

[subtle kiln]

is this what happens when outlaw is meta for expansions then all of the sudden is second fiddle to sub?

[solid mica]

The best way to explain it is just to play a couple like 22+ keys as sin and youll understand, its dogshit.

[midnight mist]

could even make it scale exponentially instead of a straight line

so ye idk why dots specs couldnt be good in m+

[gray crest]

Or, instead of buffing scent of blood, you could buff something interesting and not boring

[midnight mist]

but maybe im just dumb

[clever sapphire]

Remove ic, omegabuff scent so my envenom poison bomb blasts after x ruptures

[subtle kiln]

where are your resources coming from to get that out before shits dead by the burst classes rotating cds?

[clever sapphire]

Assa just wont be good in lowkeys, end of story

[quiet oar]

Wtf an actual non cursed take

[thorny pond]

Dot specs also suck in low keys since mobs dies quickly. Unless there is an exsang-esque talent to make all your dots burst

[solid mica]

Why mage get baseline flamestrike but we gotta spec into aoe spender, just sayin

[gray crest]

I do think echoing blades should return. That was pretty cool

[subtle kiln]

feral and here everything is dotted. kek

[clever sapphire]

Cause mage was brainded pyro gameplay so they had to make them press aoe button for aoe

[midnight mist]

I mean if that would be an issue once again outlaw wouldnt be played so idk, I udnerstand sin takes longer to do damage, but the issue is just that its not rewarded for the ramp not that dots specs can never be played in m+ ?

or am i missing something

[clever sapphire]

I dont see the problem with dot specs being shit in aoe in low keys

If in return they would be good in high keys

[royal lantern]

cease

[subtle kiln]

outlaw has taken a back seat. only reason is because sub does what outlaw did but better

[gusty mirage]

I think you should stop thinking

[clever sapphire]

No dot spec currently does dmg cause of the dots (aight feral does, but its their version of CT being overtuned)

[midnight mist]

what

[solid mica]

Problem is ramping up dots on big pulls takes time, then time to do dmg and big pulls generally need to die fast+ other ppl blow their cds there so you just dont get the dmg out of your spells anyway

[subtle kiln]

ST and AoE same damn profile

no real penalty

[thorny pond]

just give sin sectech 🤤

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t want scent buffed because it’s “boring” but apparently something that turned into pressing just fan of knives ignoring every other condition is “cool”

[subtle kiln]

not like say ret or assa that have to choose

[gusty mirage]

Odd

[gray crest]

It's better than flat buff to damage

[gusty mirage]

What

It was a flat buff to damage

[subtle kiln]

lol

everyone fucking cooked this morning

[gusty mirage]

Crits causing another fok is not a flat buff to damage?

[midnight mist]

I understand that, but if a pull take one minute, one spec does all its damage in the first 30s, the other take 30s to ramp up and does all its damage in the last 30s they end up at the same point ?

[gusty mirage]

If you crit it adds x damage to your fok

WOW

SO FUN

Tell me you didnt play bfa without telling me you didn’t play bfa

Sure loved pressing fan of knives over and over and over and over and over and over again at 8+ targets

It was so fun

[subtle kiln]

so now you’re holding cds for dot ramp. holding cds is less presses of the cds than a burst class overall. you are still handcuffed

[thorny pond]

You know what's fun is slapping icy veins/combustion on CD. Just shadow crashing a huge pack and going to work

[subtle kiln]

outlaw has zero cds so yay just flat line massive dmg

when it’s tuned

[gusty mirage]

no bleeds up? full combo points? no problem, press fan of knives again

[solid mica]

That would make sense but lets say like any other season where aug doesnt exist theres another dps also cranking so youre not left with a lot, not to mention sins dots dont last that long so you have to reapply but only have IC every 45 sec so after that you spam reapply an aoe dot with dogshit dmg cause it would take 45 globals to reapply ruptures and garrotes

[gray crest]

The effect of echoing blades is cool, the effect being so strong that you literally don't press anything else is not cool. That appears to be the disconnect there lol

[spice surge]

Aug only buffs bursts by 10% with their breath now, not 15%

So its not that massive

[clever sapphire]

Ye thats not what assa is about imo

[subtle kiln]

when is the last time we wanted something to die slowly to rot on pull in a m+

[spice surge]

Happens quite often, you prio down one target and the others just rot down

Thats boomies entire thing, rotting down targets

[subtle kiln]

short of not triggering bursting

[spice surge]

And boomies were used early s2 and all of season 1

[gusty mirage]

0 aff locks btw

[subtle kiln]

and pulled around and what was it 3 mins?

[gusty mirage]

the only "dot" class is spriest

and about 80% of their damage

is instant

[midnight mist]

its a funny example tho

[quiet oar]

Wdym

[midnight mist]

cause it took quite a bit to ramp up

its not like it was instant damage

[spice surge]

Boomie is the prime dot class

[quiet oar]

Pressing shadow crash every 20 seconds is a certified dot spec

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

?

[solid mica]

Yo what if we had an ability wrapped into something with like 2 charges that let us finish tmall our dots instantly for dmg

[clever sapphire]

What if there were dungeons where you had to go through the dungeon clearing trash, whilst fighting a boss. That way both burst and slow rotting would be relevant

[spice surge]

Like zac said, their damage is actually very spread out and has ramp time

[quiet oar]

Sub is a dot spec

[midnight mist]

I mean idk anyway I dont play sin I guess so maybe im just saying dumb shit

but I wouold just mega buff scent of blood and see hwat happen

make it scale with more dots so its not linear

[spice surge]

If you compare spriest, aff and boomie to what you'd consider traditional dot specs boomy is absolutely the closest

[subtle kiln]

mouseover starfall or whatever it was vs running around in melee.

[gusty mirage]

then you run into people needing to play scent in ST

[solid mica]

Sin would be megajuicer funnel

[midnight mist]

no because I just said you can make it exponential scalling instead of linear scaling

could even not touch it in st

[gusty mirage]

exponential scaling seems to be only available to boomkins from what I've seen

[midnight mist]

scent could also start at 2 targets instead of 1

I mean there is a lot of solutions I guess idk

I would like to play sin in m+ btw

im not just trolling

[solid mica]

"For each target effect by crimsin tempest your envenoms do 2.5% more damage"

[quiet oar]

I need exactly 10 adds to funnel the Boss, can we not kill p3 neltharion adds?

[midnight mist]

I think sin is fun in keys

well I dont like IC but otherwise its fun

[subtle kiln]

[midnight mist]

yes

[gusty mirage]

it is a very satisfying gameplay loop

it just does dick for damage

[midnight mist]

I like putting up dots

its fun

[solid mica]

Why wouldnt you like the 1 ability that lets you focus on anything but multidotting

[gusty mirage]

and it's not just a tuning issue

it's a fundamental flaw with the spec

going back ages

the few times it was "good" in m+ was because of the bandaids of borrowed power

[quiet oar]

Poison bomb

In legion

[gusty mirage]

maybe 10.2 fixes that

who knows

[midnight mist]

how would you fix it then, dont think sin should just be another random burst aoe spec

dot specs are fun and spreading dots is fun

[gusty mirage]

you make dots do more damage, until the balance team giga nerfs it because they just do 52908374982749823749823789432 dps in aoe

[spice surge]

I liked when shrouded was absolutely cranked in bfa

[gusty mirage]

then we're back at square one

[subtle kiln]

the cycle of dots.

[gusty mirage]

see example) shadow priest every single expac

[quiet oar]

What about something that gives you so ething back, if enemies die with dots active

[gusty mirage]

reworked 4 times an expac

we have that

it gives us energy

[midnight mist]

[quiet oar]

Yeah but more

Like explode

But that would require chain pulling

[midnight mist]

yo crazy idea

when a target dies with rupture on

you get full cp

(its not mfd)

(I swear)

[subtle kiln]

single rupture spreads inc

sounds like fun

[gusty mirage]

yo hear me out

what if

[quiet oar]

Poison bomb should be an aoe finsiher

Instead of crinson tempest

[gusty mirage]

what if we got this spell

[subtle kiln]

poison bomb finisher amped by number of dots out

[midnight mist]

wdym, like manually spreading rupture?

[royal lantern]

poe detected, opinion rejected

[burnt latch]

Poison bomb finisher is the way

Fuck pressing envenom

[gusty mirage]

poison bomb finisher is absolutely fried

[vestal wren]

i assume its a auto spreading plague?

[midnight mist]

heard of bp

[blazing jewel]

Delete this

[gray crest]

Pb finisher is just crimson tempest

[gusty mirage]

every time you do poison damage it stores a part of the damage, then you can release the poison damage as an accelerated dot

[subtle kiln]

finisher as in CD not every other cast

[royal lantern]

heard of CT?

[gusty mirage]

it's kinda cool

[burnt latch]

[vestal wren]

hmm

[gusty mirage]

but the poison dot it puts out is like an aura around you

[subtle kiln]

assa version of sectech but amped by dots running

[gusty mirage]

and it's giga accelerated

[burnt latch]

10 second CD poison bomb finisher and u have some way to make it do more damage while its on cd

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of solutions overshoot the problem usually

[subtle kiln]

10 seconds isn’t a cd

[clever sapphire]

can we get a poison aura

[burnt latch]

Yes it is, its a 10 second cooldown?

[clever sapphire]

we stink so hard mobs die instantly around us

[subtle kiln]

that’s just a rotation ability at that point

[gusty mirage]

plague bearer

[burnt latch]

I dont think u understand the word cd

[gusty mirage]

you're a 10s cd

got em

[burnt latch]

cds nuts

[gusty mirage]

maybe I will

[burnt latch]

[thorny pond]

Don Herbo

how the hell are ya

[burnt latch]

Im amazing sir thank your for asking how are you

[thorny pond]

great day to be alive

[burnt latch]

Aint that the truth

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest wanna go argue this motion for me

you got an hour to be in court

[clever sapphire]

sounds like some poe or diablo shit

[gray crest]

I was going to say what motion but I know that's gonna open up a joke

[burnt latch]

Im watching Suits this very moment i know my shit, can i go?

[gusty mirage]

emergency motion to stay an eviction

[quiet oar]

Gottem

[gusty mirage]

tenant apparently didn't notice the court officer serving the lawsuit

[burnt latch]

Thats my area of expertise

[gusty mirage]

which was posted on the front door

easy to miss

ya know

[burnt latch]

Send the teams link im on it

[gray crest]

Have you tried overthrowing the bourgeois?

Or however the fuck you spell it

[gusty mirage]

they pay my bills

[thorny pond]

If you close your eyes and plug your ears, are you really served

[gray crest]

Wait doesn't the defendant have to sign shit like that to say they have received it?

[gusty mirage]

no

[gray crest]

Ah... Rip I guess

[gusty mirage]

they try personal service, that doesn't work, gets taped to the front door

[burnt latch]

Mf pressed evasion

[gusty mirage]

gl trying to convince a judge that you didn't see papers from the court taped to your fucking door

and that's why I pay extra to get the court to serve people

if I did it myself, I'd have a pain in the ass to deal with

gl convincing the judge that his bailiff didn't serve the papers properly

[blazing jewel]

Selectively blind smh

[gray crest]

Maybe the papers needed to be in braile for him

[gusty mirage]

they have to put a month's worth of rent in escrow at the court

so they're about to selectively be out of $1800

[blazing jewel]

When Covid still had most cities in lock down there were about 10 of those papers on people’s door per floor at my apartment building

[gray crest]

1800 for rent... I kinda wish I could find a place to rent for lower than 2k

[blazing jewel]

^

[gusty mirage]

you don't want to live where this person does

it's not... great

[gusty mirage]

I found a loophole in the CARES act that stopped evictions

[blazing jewel]

What if you were our big beefy bodyguard

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

they were very specific in their wording

they prevented "non-payment of rent" evictions

but not recovery of possession evictions

wild

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

[olive nova]

any idea on why im not gaining any xp in brackenhide?

parked my alt there

[gusty mirage]

there's an xp penalty for mobs that are too high level for a character

[olive nova]

ppl do boosts 10 -> 70

im just testing this out before i go all in and log all 4chars and solo tank

[clever sapphire]

ye should work, boosted a friend there from 30

[olive nova]

4alts every 3.5hrs

to 70ish

[clever sapphire]

no idea why its not working

[gusty mirage]

yeah dunno what to tell you

even with the xp penalty you should still be getting xp

[clever sapphire]

its not really a "penalty" its just % xp to your lvl you get there

thats how it seemed to me

[olive nova]

i get 50-300xp per kill

at lvl11 atm

[clever sapphire]

sounds about right

[olive nova]

my goal is to level around 200-300 alts to lvl60+

[clever sapphire]

wtf

[olive nova]

should take around a month

[gusty mirage]

I mean there is 100% a penalty, you just don't notice it on lower level alts because higher level mobs give more xp

[olive nova]

im just testing this out

ill be buying 2 more subs

[clever sapphire]

you are a menace, i cant lvl a character to 70 in 2 weeks

[olive nova]

5man dungeon groups

multilogged

[gusty mirage]

god damn

that's dedication

[clever sapphire]

also a lot of money

[olive nova]

u can run boosts and make 2mil in around a few days

[quiet oar]

Wtf

[olive nova]

send gold to the alts, activate sub

also if u solo tank lets say +2s, u can gear alts rather quickly in dungeons lmao

so u just get a whole gang of same class that u can play

and armor stack with different keys in the end

but im doing this specifically for mounts

[gusty mirage]

based

the true end game

mount farming

[olive nova]

got the shalewing experiment mount / underrot crawg / azure drake past 2days

on same char

got me even more motivated

[gusty mirage]

you can also giga farm the new naxx content

and sell the lamented pieces

for hundreds of thousands of gold

you get 5 chances at a lamented piece per character per week

[olive nova]

this is actually quite time efficient if u think about it

once u get to the point u can make tons of gold u dont pay $ anymore for sub

[burnt latch]

this the most unhinged sentence ive seen on rh all year

[gusty mirage]

that's not true

that's not even remotely true

[quiet oar]

Its insane right

[olive nova]

it doesnt take long to level that many alts

[gusty mirage]

there was a guy who said something about snd existing for the "pro players to maximize their damage"

like literally 4 days ago

[burnt latch]

lmao what

[gusty mirage]

bro

[quiet oar]

Wait

What

[gusty mirage]

you didn't see that?

[burnt latch]

nah thats a fucking weird ass take

[quiet oar]

So everyone who maintain and is pro Player?

[clever sapphire]

that guy can take my crown as cursed person

[midnight mist]

"for a sense of superiority"

[burnt latch]

jpc out here rooting for snd cuz its to his benefit

[quiet oar]

Where is my esport money

[clever sapphire]

if im a pro why did echo not pick me up yet

[burnt latch]

ive been wondering why my snd hits like a wet noodle

it makes sense now

[gusty mirage]

you're a professional in my heart

[olive nova]

300alts = 4alts every 3hrs = 225hrs in total

or 5weeks

not that long

[gusty mirage]

true

[clever sapphire]

your snd is hitting the enemies?

[gusty mirage]

yours isn't?

you must not be a professional

[clever sapphire]

damn it

[burnt latch]

okay read the take. ngl i dont understand shit am i just too finnish or is he throwing in words to make it sound more complicated and educated

[gusty mirage]

he's not from NA or EU if that helps

[midnight mist]

he just isnt english

[clever sapphire]

the youtube guide from this random person about rogue didnt say anything about snd, thought i can ignore it

[gusty mirage]

or OCE

or South America

[burnt latch]

oh okay then its just trying to explain something fairly complex with broken english

i was like

am i having a seizure i have no idea what he is on about

[midnight mist]

well fairly complex

[grand trail]

This channel is very active recently, can't keep up

[gusty mirage]

too much time in between gcds

we got nothing but time on our hands

[midnight mist]

he has been lobbying for the deletion of snd for a few weeks now

[clever sapphire]

good thing whispyr is asleep

[burnt latch]

read this sentence like 5 times

still dont know what bros cooking

[midnight mist]

he want snd passive

you just need the lore behind it

then its easy

[burnt latch]

isnt snd passive??

[midnight mist]

no you press it

[quiet oar]

Oh this guy

[midnight mist]

bozo

[gusty mirage]

essentially yes

[clever sapphire]

this channel built a freaking lore around a player in just a few weeks

[gusty mirage]

but he wants it to just be a talent that passively increases attack speed

by 30/35/40%

[burnt latch]

a-3-pointer too

my god

[clever sapphire]

can it go up to 5 points, so i feel like im playing league?

[gusty mirage]

don't let your dreams be dreams my friend

[grand trail]

Pointers nodes 🤡🤡

[burnt latch]

how would that ever be more fun than the button we have rn (snd is shit but atleast like u think abt it sometimes)

i cant

[gusty mirage]

that's the thing

it takes something already boring

and makes it even more boring

[clever sapphire]

my brain would be doomed, my shift+1 is for snd

[burnt latch]

engagement through the roof, im pressing a talent node 3 times

[subtle tundra]

ptr today prayge

[clever sapphire]

what would i put there if snd removed

[royal lantern]

thats why we should delete SnD and thats it

[gusty mirage]

detection

so you still get the gcd loss

[clever sapphire]

im gonna put an icon of snd there

[royal lantern]

IM the OG SnD hater, wont let some freshblood steal that from me

[clever sapphire]

to remember it

[gusty mirage]

tryan getting territorial

[quiet oar]

Im 100% Sure that guy

[midnight mist]

I mean tbf a lot of people have complained about button bloat on rogue

[clever sapphire]

im gonna put sweeping strikes from warri there, same icon, different effect

[quiet oar]

That had this take

Is not older than 15

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-gif-7955663

[gusty mirage]

I love pressing 18 buttons in my opener sequence to do no damage

[midnight mist]

and I dont think anyone would care if snd was gone

[gusty mirage]

it's fun

[quiet oar]

Like He writes like a 12 yo

[burnt latch]

surely just outlaw right? i cant see how you'd play sub and assa and complain about button bloat tbh, unless you've never played any other class

[clever sapphire]

make snd a random proc from builders

[midnight mist]

yes so remove snd and you hvae one less button, also you ramp up faster oxi, now you are bursty in m+

[gusty mirage]

OG assassination was a ridiculous like 11 gcd opener

w/ exsang

[midnight mist]

uh

[royal lantern]

assa and outlaw yes, sub no

[midnight mist]

I mean isnt sin pretty bloated rn

[royal lantern]

if you remove more ffom sub, nothing is left lol

[gusty mirage]

ye it is

[subtle tundra]

no

[gusty mirage]

dropping exsang helped

a lot fwiw

[clever sapphire]

doesnt sin have like the most buttons out of the rogue specs?

[burnt latch]

but thats just because it was a very precise order of pressing buttons, u didnt actually press that many different buttons though

[midnight mist]

some outlaw builds (like HO) dont have that many buttons

[subtle tundra]

a lot of shit we can get isnt worth getting

I WANT SHDOW DANCE

LET M PLEAY SHADOW DANCING

[clever sapphire]

i dont want shadow dance

remove that shit

sub can keep it

please no

i already dont like it on outlaw

[gusty mirage]

true, but it was kinda ridiculous

[burnt latch]

oh yeah i fucking hated exsang opener

but not because it had too many buttons

[gusty mirage]

gar > snd > gar > boner spike > ER > rupture > puzzlebox > tea + exsang > deathmark > shiv

[subtle tundra]

i didnt! i didnt play it!

[clever sapphire]

"boner spike" (me whenever its in the top build)

[burnt latch]

it was just muscle memoring the right order that sucked dick

[gusty mirage]

any exsanging DMers in chat?

[quiet oar]

Is this what you call your spike

[burnt latch]

my face looked like i was having a seizure for those first 10 seconds

[gusty mirage]

✋

[clever sapphire]

only in M+

[gusty mirage]

I had to stop streaming my mic in raid

[burnt latch]

(not that different from my resting face)

[gusty mirage]

because I'd exsang my DM

and just scream FUCK

[clever sapphire]

sometimes i forgot to press exsang

and dm was going

and im like

"so now what"

[gusty mirage]

done that too

[subtle tundra]

i miss 45 sec exsang m+

fucking banging

one mob

[gusty mirage]

kb + exsang in keys

[clever sapphire]

good old times

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

i miss kb so much man....

friendo

[quiet oar]

I mean stealthi did a 30s zaqali with it

[gusty mirage]

exsang lined up perfectly with IC and ER

[quiet oar]

Must be OP

[gusty mirage]

[quiet oar]

Go for it

[clever sapphire]

now the only variety is dtb/IC or get flamed by whispyr

[gusty mirage]

just kill the boss in 30s

then kb is good

dw

[burnt latch]

yeah dont think my guilds getting the 666 hexagon of evil together for a 30 second assault kill

[quiet oar]

No i oxi

You got it wrong

Boss dies that fast because of kingsbane

[gusty mirage]

so true bestie

[quiet oar]

Because brokenn

[gusty mirage]

just ignore the block of green and purple and blue at the top of the meters

it's because of kb

[quiet oar]

Yeah exactly

[clever sapphire]

he passes out as soon as he sees what shit you are playing

[burnt latch]

windows 180 rotate on the 2nd monitor baby

[quiet oar]

Kingsbane is the Main character

[burnt latch]

logs looking good

[quiet oar]

Everyone else is side character

[clever sapphire]

sbs is the true hero, he is just staying in the dark and carrying everything

[gusty mirage]

@burnt latch thots?

[quiet oar]

Stop harassing me with your Spike wtf

[gusty mirage]

the tier we have 2-3 months left on is over guys

pack it in

if you haven't killed sark yet just log off

[royal lantern]

you press exsang, kill your dm that way and accept it as a punishment for your missplay

[subtle tundra]

FUCK I HAVE TO CHANGE MY PANTS NOW

[clever sapphire]

thats what i did, and hoped for a wipe usually

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[subtle tundra]

massive sneeze right into my pants

[quiet oar]

Does not rekilling yet count as failure or is it ok?

[subtle tundra]

massive snot

with blood and all

[burnt latch]

well first of all, what fucking expansion was bro raiding in previously if the current state of mythic is overtuned and they used to down the raid in his wr 1k guild in a month.. secondly, fuck i hate wowhead commentors

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt even be bothered to play well after fucking up so hard on opener

[royal lantern]

isnt that the same guy that 24/7 complained that the mega dungeon is "overtuned content that only the top 0,1% can do"?

[clever sapphire]

megadungeon overtuned? i did it on a 420 char

[quiet oar]

Im suprised that nerfs for echo and sarka are that spreaded

Like there were only 2 nerfs so far right

[royal lantern]

if you feel stupid, visit wowhead comments and you realise that you are actually a Genius

[subtle tundra]

fuck its like i just dropped some massive belt and accidently vaal orb'd it

fuck

[clever sapphire]

i usually just look back to the people that argue with whispyr

dont have to bother to open wowhead

[burnt latch]

as a side note too i wanna emphasize that i hate what they did to nelths please just make the boss immune at a lower % in p2 if u do that

its turning into the heroic version

nothing to hit

[subtle tundra]

all walls should break automatically

at 35%

[burnt latch]

even that

something

having no add and no boss to hit is

tragically boring

like the first boss of sephulcher on hc

[clever sapphire]

first boss on sepulcher was shit

but i liked it on mythic

on mythic it was really fun

change my mind

[burnt latch]

i dont think thats a hot take at all

mythic ball was fine

[clever sapphire]

i liked it when prot warri could one shot it

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

this tier feels like a fucking drag. idk maybe from extending hell

[midnight narwhal]

Are assass viable now with the 5% dmg increase?

[subtle kiln]

as viable as any melee not named DK

[gusty mirage]

viable at what

[midnight narwhal]

AH

Mm+

[gusty mirage]

no lol

[subtle kiln]

hahaha

no

come back in 3 months

maybe

[rocky ruin]

it's the guy who is crying that hunter aren't buffed enough especially BM

[thick sable]

When can we expect raidbots to be updated with the changes?

[drifting cloud]

An hour or two into the reset or something

[raw shadow]

boys night friday

[zinc zealot]

yo boys night friday

[cerulean nest]

when do I pop cloak for the black hole soaks in p3?

is it just before it hits or do I need to press it like during the actual cast before it goes out

[tired night]

Is raidbots up to date yet?

[quiet oar]

When it hits

But im Sure you have a weakaura in any Pack for it

[cerulean nest]

ye gotcha

[clever sapphire]

Look up 5 messages

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire ask for sark nerfs last week and blizzard came through with the good good

You seent it bro

[nova flax]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever kindle]

you dont know the legend of TOMRUS

literally everyone hates him

[near valley]

TOMRUS is a national treasure

[thorn fjord]

Do we only spell their name in all caps?

[near valley]

Wowhead comments would be so empty without him

[near valley]

we have to give him the respect he deserves

[thorn fjord]

What a god

[quiet oar]

DIESLOW

[near valley]

DIESLOE

[bold temple]

i got a mythic chromatic essence in vault. i currently have a 437 bomb dispenser and 447 dice. sim is showing that chromatic essence is a dps loss but is the sim accurate with other people in raid having an essence?

[arctic hare]

You should be able to sim it for how many people have it

[spice surge]

At the bottom of the sim in the options you can edit how many people have it and what stat its giving you

[bold temple]

ooo ok i think i missed that, going to double check thank you 😄

[pseudo hamlet]

Chromatic is an upgrade for me compared to 447 dice with all buffs and obsidian atunement for the patchwerk.

[bold temple]

my guildie says the only buff we're missing is obsidian too

[pseudo hamlet]

I think that the choice of the atunements depends mostly on your gear. You can try to sim all of them also

[cerulean nest]

someone ping me when raidbots updates ❤️

[bold temple]

oh yea now it sims almost 700 dps higher than my dice, thanks all 😄 ❤️

[grand trail]

when is NA up and we can sim?

[gusty mirage]

it's up already

as for the sims, should go live when reset happens

[grand trail]

yeah i meant reset

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant @spice spire

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

surely I don't kill sark 7 times with no dagger

SURELY

[spice surge]

[grand trail]

i saw the dagger once from heroic

meanwhile some people get two from first kill 😄

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

SURELY

[quiet oar]

YOU 100%

Get it

[gusty mirage]

I've seen 3 sark cloaks

0 daggers

[quiet oar]

In 2 months

[gray crest]

It'll drop 2

[gusty mirage]

I don't want 2

[near valley]

Have you tried praying harder to RNGesus?

[gusty mirage]

I want a nick of time for OH

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

I have for the mega dungeon dagger

didn't work

[gray crest]

Who is Nick

[gusty mirage]

your dad's boyfriend

[near valley]

Sacrifice someone's first born

Usually always guaranteed success

[gray crest]

[quiet oar]

You surely get this one too

[gusty mirage]

surely

[near valley]

Just don't bring ur rogue and a rogue dagger will drop

[gray crest]

Just don't have ahri curse your vault like she did mine last tier

[gusty mirage]

???

you got your brood dagger before me

[gray crest]

I didn't get the eggnog ring tho

[gusty mirage]

that went to the person we knew were failing the trial of

how does that make you feel

[past bobcat]

I did a pug for the Nick of time dagger. Dropped and I instantly left the group

[near valley]

[gray crest]

Makes me feel like I should've worn a blue ring to make the sims look better

[gusty mirage]

true

[gray crest]

And then fel rush with marks

[spice surge]

I personally really enjoy having a 6% chance of getting nick of time every week

[gusty mirage]

you too?

[spice surge]

Can add a friend or two and make it 12%/18%

[gusty mirage]

dw you can chain farm it next tier

[past bobcat]

[spice surge]

Oh right, what ilvl is it going to be from hc

[near valley]

3rd times the charm