assassination

[thick sail]

A max level dice and a low 430 kobold thing iirc

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that kobold thing would get wrecked by either mirror or sandglass

[thick sail]

That's good news, thanks, we'll give it a go tonight

[balmy condor]

gl on drops

[pliant cairn]

how much of a difference is toxic thorn footwraps vs slimey boots?

[balmy condor]

less than 1%

[drifting cedar]

Guys am I being baited by sims? I have 2 450 sark daggers and the nick of time dagger from the mega dungeon sims higher. I see almost nobody using the megadungo dagger on warcraftlogs tho

[strange niche]

A lot don’t have the dagger, I think for most a 450 wins against it typically but if sims are telling you the mega dungeon dagger is better it probably is. Are you simming ST? I’d assume you are but just curious

And how much of a dps increase is the Nick of time over the 450 dagger

[balmy condor]

that's how it works yes, the timestrike dagger is better

as per the pin

[drifting cedar]

Yeah it's 1% better on st

I'm surprised bc I don't see anyone on wl with it

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/33#boss=2685&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&search=abilities.419737

looks like there's 5 in the top 100 from the last 2 weeks

also if you can make it drop for me that would be great thanks

dumb fucking rng drop

[gilded oasis]

eu doesn't count

[narrow pelican]

Next week, I'm going to pretend I don't care if it drops (it'll drop for sure )

[gusty mirage]

once a week chance to get the drop

[ebon cloud]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[grand trail]

Btw after pressing ER you finish? I'm not sure how er works as I never play it before

And saw logs lije that

[balmy condor]

you press a finisher if you're currently sitting on the blue cp

[grand trail]

And after that everything is back to normal?

[balmy condor]

it consumes that blue cp

you repeat until theres none left

[grand trail]

I see thanks

So this is like common ER window if we play it at 0 cp?

[gilded oasis]

sure.. if you hit er at 0 cp 99% of the time you can just finish

[balmy condor]

100% of the time actually

[gilded oasis]

dont tell me the odds

[tired night]

Does sin have better ST funnel from multi-dotting than sub does from shuriken storming?

[balmy condor]

slightly, yes

[gilded oasis]

I didn't want to say 100% then some omega nerd comes in "ACSHUALLY"

[balmy condor]

sub doesn't storm for prio damage

[tired night]

Doesn't it on like 3+ targets still?

[balmy condor]

not for prio damage

[drifting cloud]

not in the raid build if youre talking about prio dmg

[grand trail]

And when u usually hit the second charge of ER?

[gilded oasis]

when it happens.. Sometimes you get lucky and hit all 3 in a row and its pog sometimes you get unlucky and sadge and don't hit it for a while

[balmy condor]

you don't play around the charges at all

[grand trail]

I'm pretty sure I did not play around ER at all 😂

[balmy condor]

if you land on one, you finish

if you don't, you don't

it doesn't change your generator or finisher priority at all

[grand trail]

Like I was hitting builders when I was on charge

[gilded oasis]

sometimes just for fun if I land on one I still dont use it because I hate damage

[empty tide]

do you sync sepsis with deathmark?

[balmy condor]

not usually

[empty tide]

guess it depends on boss timers

[balmy condor]

only time you should sync is mythic sark

rest I don't think there's a reason to

[empty tide]

i see, so you just send it on cd and double garrote start and finish

[drifting cloud]

whats optimal on exactly 5min whispr, surely its not a 4:35~ sepsis and throwing away a vanish

unless

[empty tide]

oh thats cool, so you hold 1st vanish so you can extend 2nd deathmark improved garrote, that comes with 1:30 sepsis

[drifting cloud]

these kill timers are harder than the spec

[balmy condor]

exactly 5 min would be

opener
vanish asap to extend the gar (like 0:35)
sepsis 1:40ish
deathmark 2:00
vanish 2:35ish
sepsis 3:10
deathmark+vanish 4:35ish
Sepsis as soon as deathmark ends

[drifting cloud]

man is saccing the 4set really that "not bad"

just feels so wrong

[balmy condor]

you only sac like half of it

but yeh

you dump your whole load and the shiv and everything

so the back half of the tier set is just a barren auto attack wasteland

[drifting cloud]

and for 4min it would dm+sepsis at 3 since 2min in boss wouldnt be in execute?

and again do 0:35 and 2:35 vanish

[balmy condor]

correct

the formula is basically max out the sepsis/vanish casts, and then work backwards and slot deathmark into it

the improved garrote train arrives at the station every so often

just gotta pick the right train to attach a deathmark to

[drifting cloud]

all of these trains suck

ok I guess theres mechs that fuck you last 2 anyways so its not that bad

[empty tide]

are the buffs already on raidbots? excluding the aa dmg of course

[thick sail]

@balmy condor we beat the megadungeon with a PUG, only 1 of 5 of us had done the place before. Boots and belt dropped for me. Both big ilev upgrades, but sadly my toxic boots and toxic patch are pretty hard to replace

Very fun place

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

boots and belt is omega rip holy

[thick sail]

Right 🫠😔

[balmy condor]

next week I guess

[thick sail]

Aye!

My 420 belt and 424 brez bracers are so feels-bad

I think I have the stuff to upgrade them but upgrade crafting is so stupidly convoluted I haven't bothered to do it

I guess the game lets me freshly craft a high ilev item from a random human, but if I want to specifically upgrade one I've already made I need to sit in Valdrakken begging people in the trade channel

Annoying nonsense

[balmy condor]

yeh thank god I don't need to do any of that shit

we have dedicated crafters for legit everything in guild

[thick sail]

That is convenient

It's a pointlessly convoluted system. They made it so easy to do initial crafts and stupidly, nonsensically, artificially difficult to upgrade your initial craft

Great job Blizzard, this awful system totally makes the human who logs in and does M+ one day a week want to join a big serious guild

[drifting cloud]

its really not that complicated if you take 5mins to understand it

and you can send the orders public but youre probably not getting max ranks back most of the time

[thick sail]

It's not that it's complicated. It's that the initial craft is painless, because you can, as you said, do it publicly. But an upgrade can only be done privately. Which is just... I don't know. I guess in a system that has an innate % based chance to fail in order to artificially inflate the amount of time people need to invest in order to get gear, I guess it's a necessary evil. In 2005 I totally would've accepted this system without question

Just

[tired night]

Is there a way we can sim with them yet?

[thick sail]

It's 2023

[balmy condor]

sure, add

override.spell_data=effect.191052.base_value=7```
to advanced

or expert mode

whichever

[tired night]

Dope

[balmy condor]

or just add like

4k dps

to anything you sim

and that works too

[royal lantern]

only thing i wanna sim next reser

is if my 441 dice beats a heroic class trinket now

[balmy condor]

it wont

[royal lantern]

dont have chromatic anyway

[balmy condor]

they're both stat trinkets

they're not going to move apart

[errant swallow]

It won't beat bomb either, right?

[royal lantern]

nah, dont think so lol

[errant swallow]

Right

[royal lantern]

bomb is just too good

[errant swallow]

Ye

[balmy condor]

it's just gonna knock out beacon sometimes

that's legit the only thing it will do

[errant swallow]

I'm using bomb/class

[balmy condor]

you're never gonna replace that

[errant swallow]

No sir

447/441

Also have 441 beacon (sub ST) and dice just in case.

Anyway

Good night fellow assassins

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor you're cute

[balmy condor]

ty u too

[solid forge]

with buffs will we actually overtake other specs or not at all

[quiet oar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[quiet oar]

In Sims its better than sub in st

But not as good as outlaw

In Sims keep that in mind

[balmy condor]

it'll go from average

to 5% higher than average

[clever sapphire]

assa higher than average? got it, messaging all the other classes that they should bitch about us not being average

[balmy condor]

true

[quiet oar]

Whisp has spoken

[balmy condor]

obviously m+ gonna be dogshit so I ain't even gonna worry about that

but like 90% mythic overall

5% here puts us with shadow/havoc

which is basically whatever

back in with all the boys

it's all fairly close tbh

[clever sapphire]

we all know the only metric that counts is boss dmg

[balmy condor]

like even with the current numbers

that's all within 10%

who cares

everyone in a big munge

boss dps

now this is where it gets a little dumb

[marble hemlock]

gonna have to disagree with you on that one whispyr, sorry to say

[balmy condor]

cause hello pi specs

[balmy condor]

damn I don't really care

[clever sapphire]

we above feral and arms, good enough

[balmy condor]

we've had this discussion a trillion times seli

I actually cannot be fucked with this

I'm sorry

[marble hemlock]

that would be my argument, ye. plenty of people do care or are still progging, and when your spec barely gets buffed enough to compete with the bottom 5 specs when tis the only thing you actually do well, and its still 2+ months until more changes are happening, its kinda meh

still

buffs are nice

glad it happened

[balmy condor]

5% buff on boss damage

[clever sapphire]

2+ more months of no content, i dont mind the fact that we not getting insta changes

[balmy condor]

takes us from where we are right now

to augvoker

so

that's pretty lit

it's still just omegalul single target spec

but ya know

at least it's pretty good omegalul single target spec

[marble hemlock]

ye i mean, you cant unfuck assa aoe/m+ performance with aura nerfs anyway

was surprised it took this long for assa to get smth to bridge the gap until 10.2

but its here now so yay us ig

[balmy condor]

bigger thing with the single target is like, fights super fucking blow for assa

[marble hemlock]

for any 2min class, really

[balmy condor]

the only remotely good timing for us is nelth

[marble hemlock]

gotta get that juicy CDR to perform well this tier

i mean even there you kinda have to hold 2nd DM cuz boss is about to phase and you dont wanna do it too early lol

but at least we get 2 sets of CDs in execute on that fight

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dense swift]

so uhhh

do we have numbers on shadowmeld + for classic hardcore?

[quiet oar]

For classic the Best place is probably https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/494574420854308884

[balmy condor]

better than that, probably a dedicated classic server

since that channel is pretty much dead

[vestal wren]

some options are pinned in the channel

[grand trail]

If I need to hold second DM until p2, how I'm using my CDs ? On nelth boss

[balmy condor]

you would just deathmark with your sepsis at the start of p2

[grand trail]

So I'm holding second sespsis too?

[royal lantern]

second sepsis is like

5seconds before p1 ends

and sark becomes immune

[balmy condor]

nelth

[grand trail]

Echo

[royal lantern]

oh, ye

idk, i can just send 2nd sepsis

[balmy condor]

yeh should just line up

idk

[grand trail]

I can too but than I have only vanish for second dm

[balmy condor]

could just vanish it as well

[royal lantern]

ranged dps cant comprehend doing dps and mechanics at the sams time, so i can dps a bit more instead of holding

[grand trail]

Use to do dps all time but people get better I guess

And we have like 4 ranged 😂🤡

[balmy condor]

actually wait

why can't you just dm with vanish

vanish is already delayed from the opener

just use that

[grand trail]

Yeah I know

But need to delay dm

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grand trail]

Kinda sux as we BL start of p3

[balmy condor]

why can't you just dm with vanish at the start of p2

[grand trail]

And I would have to probably dm after first "hiding"

[balmy condor]

shouldn't it be vanish first add, sepsis second

[blazing jewel]

That’s normally when a lot of guilds lust

[grand trail]

Se we lust right away

[balmy condor]

wat

you're doing the speed strat on prog

wahck

[grand trail]

I have 3 kills but never played asaa this season

[balmy condor]

oh

[blazing jewel]

Filthy fotm player

[grand trail]

Had to find how ER works as I never played that spell before too

[balmy condor]

5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%5%

MUST PLAY

[grand trail]

I wanna practice asaa and outlaw before season ends

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-gif-22876087

[grand trail]

To get ready as realz kill sub for seaosn 3

[balmy condor]

what

[grand trail]

I have feeling next tier is asaa and outlaw

[balmy condor]

bro rubbed his crystal ball

[grand trail]

You don't think it will be asaa time ?

I think most people do

[misty holly]

Sub going the way of augment evoker. The power of the void strengthens your allies will be sub new identity.

[balmy condor]

the only thing I think is that it's fucking insane to be speculating 10.2 meta before 10.1.7 even launches

that's deranged

[grand trail]

😂

[blazing jewel]

Yo sap if all three rogue specs bring the same utility what causes one to be brought over the other

[balmy condor]

like actual dumbass behavior

wait

I'm getting divine vision

[grand trail]

Can't wait for 10.2 ptr

[balmy condor]

god is speaking to me

11.3 is going to be outlaw tier

trust me

I saw it

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

it was in front of me

[grand trail]

It was back to back sub

I love sub

But need practice other specs too

[misty holly]

Moving to outlaw channel now then to get ready. See you losers later.

[balmy condor]

invest early

[midnight mist]

every tier is outlaw tier

[blazing jewel]

[misty holly]

Im not missing out on bitcoin again.

[blazing jewel]

Play sin on Tuesday

[midnight mist]

what

[balmy condor]

realz is putting a 5% buff on outlaw for week 2 of patch 12.1.5, I just know it

[midnight mist]

why tf would I do that

[blazing jewel]

Clout

[midnight mist]

what clout

[balmy condor]

so you don't look goofy af hanging out in here

[midnight mist]

would I get clout performing on a spec 3 people plays

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/they-do-anything-for-clout-respect-offset-migos-clout-gif-15365909

I think outlaw had less mag parses than sin last week lol

[midnight mist]

goofy outlaw player fr

[midnight mist]

[grand trail]

I trust in asaa with my class trinket

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[balmy condor]

did you tell them KiR sims higher

[grand trail]

I will get proc every dm

[blazing jewel]

Yea just play kir perfectly

[balmy condor]

now this is some crystal ball shit I can support

always gamba trinket

[grand trail]

I sneak 457 to be asaa gamer last kill

[blazing jewel]

What trinkets do we have that aren’t gamba

[balmy condor]

bomb

literally the best one

[midnight mist]

not you aswell pls

[blazing jewel]

Bomb crits hello?

[midnight mist]

everyone telling me that kir is fake now

[balmy condor]

bro but it says on the sheet

outlaw -> big number

??????????

[midnight mist]

it is

outloaw best spec

[blazing jewel]

I hate Zac he broke outlaw

[grand trail]

Sims yes logs no 🤡

[midnight mist]

🤡

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

no shot a sim in perfect bis playing the fastest spec in the game does better than a player right

can't happen

simply do not believe it

[grand trail]

That's what I do

I trust only logs

[balmy condor]

can't trust logs

the augvokers are jank

L + ratio

[midnight mist]

logs are fine when you have enough data

[grand trail]

I though aug only fuckup details

[midnight mist]

lol

aug fucked up everything

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[grand trail]

Aug killed asault in 30s

[subtle tundra]

aug fucked my wife

[grand trail]

So he probably get more curing

[blazing jewel]

Zac clearly the 6s dance sub build is maximum difficulty if all of us sub players can do it that means all outlaws should beat sim on kir

Smh

[near valley]

Just jealous that yours never buffs u

[midnight mist]

outlaw is hard rn

what can i say

[subtle tundra]

cap!

[balmy condor]

I still don't believe that aug is correct in logs

[midnight mist]

well its not

[near valley]

Only thing hard about outlaw is my PP when I roll full RTB procs

[balmy condor]

ain't no way they're estimating shit like BtE properly

[midnight mist]

there is a huge ass pin whis in wcl discord

[balmy condor]

just ain't possible

[midnight mist]

with everything that they know

[blazing jewel]

And that’s just what’s known so far

[midnight mist]

but they prolly are aware of half the things

considering bf wasnt even there

and bf is like

hard to miss kek

[near valley]

I like augs

[subtle tundra]

how much crit do augs give?

seal fate stonks!

[near valley]

Makes me feel better about hitting shit parses

[blazing jewel]

Was the bf thing a + or - for logs

[midnight mist]

I mean a + for me

you wanna see my augies logs in dungeons tho?

[blazing jewel]

Kir logs fake it’s confirmed

[midnight mist]

bf is just not reatributted

[blazing jewel]

Caught in ultra 4k hd

[midnight mist]

our 4p aswell btw

[blazing jewel]

Is that why outlaw looks good on sark now

[balmy condor]

aug is so fucked man

[midnight mist]

and thats only the things that are easy to see

[midnight mist]

I mean tbf

idk if you ever get buffed

[balmy condor]

can't trust details, can't trust logs

[blazing jewel]

Fair lol

[near valley]

Can't trust the government

[balmy condor]

I have buff uptime on basically every fight with 2 augs in my raid

they just clip you with shit

[near valley]

Can't trust nothing

[blazing jewel]

I get maybe 5% ebon might uptime per boss

[midnight mist]

idk I always have very little uptime, like 1 or 2 max per fight

of the agi thingy

[subtle tundra]

also, they are irreplaceable in m+ cause they buff tank and heal a ton

thanmks!

[midnight mist]

very good

considering how trash it is with rogues

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

wtf

[grand trail]

Kek

[midnight mist]

no shot you arent getting targeted

[grand trail]

Where your call to suffering

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

deep in my soul

[near valley]

One can only hope Aug is the only supp class they add

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

I get no ebon might no wft no prescience and most importantly no bitches

[balmy condor]

that's just this week btw

all of these

are just this week

[blazing jewel]

Aug was a mistake

[midnight mist]

they are playing melee or

[balmy condor]

beats the fuck out of me man

[midnight mist]

I got 30% once but that was with 3 of them

how good is the leggo thing btw

cause that isnt being reattributed right

[balmy condor]

this was 12 pulls

prescience

couple times on me for some reason

same night ebon might

and I wasn't even in for like minute 10->35

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-gif-27475997

[balmy condor]

cause they were wiping on rashok without me

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

[subtle tundra]

how much does this affect logging

[balmy condor]

for assa? probably minimally

outlaw is fucked on anything cleave iirc

[subtle tundra]

meow

[balmy condor]

cause blade flurry is just giga shitted

[blazing jewel]

Has sec tec been confirmed to function with Aug logs properly

Because they are pets

[balmy condor]

Has sec tec been confirmed to function with Aug logs properly

[blazing jewel]

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I ain't trust those dudes, they pretty shady

[spice surge]

Only lingering isnt being attributed properly afaik

[balmy condor]

I see those shadow clones pop up for like 0.2 seconds

[spice surge]

I couldnt find anything else

[balmy condor]

and I'm like nah

[blazing jewel]

Sub rogues stink on god

[balmy condor]

no shot these guys do that much damage

[blazing jewel]

Right eleem

[balmy condor]

smoke puff = infinite sub damage hack

unimaginable power

[blazing jewel]

Vape tricks that hit for 200k

[midnight mist]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[spice surge]

Sub stinky, assa cool

[subtle tundra]

word

[spice surge]

I have haste on some of my crafted gear, now its impossible for me to play sub anymore

[blazing jewel]

you will die instantly

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Real

[subtle kiln]

back to being an ass man

🍑

[grand trail]

I have haste on my crafted gear I use to use in m+

[valid leaf]

Aslong as u have primary stat ur good

Haste is not that bad for us anyways

Its horrible

[grand trail]

Yeah I receafted it for asaa that's why

[spice surge]

How many sparks do we have access to rn

[valid leaf]

Depends if you did weeklies

[grand trail]

Depends how many you buy from vault

I did lot

[valid leaf]

But around 10-11

[subtle kiln]

^ it should be 10 or 11

[woeful meteor]

no way it's already week 20 of the patch

[near valley]

Patch came out in march

And it's nearly September

[woeful meteor]

may

not march

[near valley]

Same thing

Both start with M smh

[woeful meteor]

it's week 15

8 sparks assuming you have all and never bought

[valid leaf]

People who did weeklies did get 0.5 spark per weekly

[woeful meteor]

and week 1 had a free double spark

[spice surge]

You dont need to do the weeklies really

[near valley]

Never did

Just got them from keys or raid

[valid leaf]

Never did them also but some of my guildies did

And i know if u didnt play and want to catch up w sparks u can go to dawn of the infinite its like 4 sparks

[grand trail]

Everything is more gain in asaa, cloak from Sark is 300dps more than in sub, same for dawn dagger

[rotund oak]

jsut realized myself today that spark fragments are gated per week

this is painful

[nova flax]

U can get a full spark every week if you take tokens from vault

[near valley]

Should have like more than enough sparks

[rotund oak]

was rushing to incrase myilvl im coming back from a huge break

actually playing 15 days

had to rush to craft some 437gear to get myself into 16s range and start farming aspect crests

now im on a spot where i couldnt rly take tokens from a GV and have no sparks although having encahnted aspects crests

😅

so its actually not a bad idea if u dont hit a ''bis'' on GV to take a spark fragment with tokens and have ur weekly spark to craft a 447

thats actually nice

thx for the info,didnt even know

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[sweet dawn]

If I wanted to get a log reviewed do I just post it in here and hope for the best?

[spice spire]

Post in here

There’s also wowa. With a few caveats

Will cover most qualms

[sweet dawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ckDd3wvft1N2FnQA#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1 2nd night at rashok mythic and just want to know what I'm doing wrong to be doing like 30k below sim dps?

[spice spire]

you’re pressing defensives that use GCD (feint) so yeah you’ll do less. You’re also a bit low on the shiv presses and a bit high in the energy waste. I also don’t really recommend using raging corruption on that fight since you’ll rot out to it fairly regularly

[sweet dawn]

I've only really been using shiv if I'm about to get 2 charges, unless I'm in DM where I'll cover all of DM with shiv

Should I just be sending shiv on CD, making sure I have it for sepsis and will have 2 for DM otherwise?

[spice spire]

I’d say probably yeah.
It’s just free damage - also on mobile so I didn’t really get a chance to watch the replay but

You should use step more aggressively too.

[sweet dawn]

Yeah I started stepping a lot more on later pulls, or atleast felt like I did

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

Is sepsis implemented yet mister Topple?

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[main vessel]

idk, is it @balmy condor

(the answer is no and I bug Whispyr about it like once a week)

[grand trail]

does anyone have working WA for garrote triggered by sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

like the imp garrote?

I think afenar's was updated to work with sepsis -> gar

[woeful meteor]

luxthos works

[spice spire]

No I know that’s why I say with caveats

But also man is too busy cooking

[plucky quail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

@main vessel

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

@main vessel

I hope you’ve a great day king

[grand trail]

luxthos do not work when i snitch it from group

i will try afenar

[keen spruce]

luxthos definitely works

when you take the garrote module out

https://tenor.com/view/i-put-that-on-everything-gif-11454944

[grand trail]

nah i try

[main vessel]

you too :3

[grand trail]

it light up even when i uuse not empowered

[subtle kiln]

let him rest before ptr hits. seeeeeesh

[spice surge]

You need to takeout the WA that tracks it too

just not the garrote one

[main vessel]

it's been 2 months

[spice surge]

Man needs a lot of rest

[main vessel]

[spice surge]

5 am redbulls hit too hard

[grand trail]

im not good enough to do it eleem

[subtle kiln]

5 people playing assa is there really a point?

[main vessel]

Not too busy to do this tho

[gusty mirage]

I only woke up to 21 of those

[main vessel]

Same energy

[gusty mirage]

him absolutely malding about how expensive his gear is in poe

[blazing jewel]

“These chaos dot rerollers”

[spice spire]

That’s a classic

All work and no play makes whispyr a dull boy

[grand trail]

afenar wa for garroite do not work for me even if i keep it in group

so what im doing wrong

[keen spruce]

I don't think afenar tracks imp garrote

unless it was recently updated

[grand trail]

i will try with luxhous again

but not sure what to take out to have it work with my ui

yeah work in original group

@spice surge any help ?:D

[spice surge]

Class options - LWA - Rogue

and then the garrote one

[grand trail]

cool

will try

work now

thanks

[gusty mirage]

was prolly luxthos then

idk I'm an atrocity ui loser

[near valley]

[spice spire]

Askers?

[gusty mirage]

your dad after I blew out his back last night

[spice spire]

Nice

[arctic hare]

I presume this occured because it didn't combine the slimy expulsion with the armor patch?

[royal lantern]

you just made the proc 100% stronger

soooo

[arctic hare]

Yeah, but hmm, toxic thorn would still technically be stronger, unless I'm missing something weird about them.

[clever sapphire]

toxic is better for assa

yap

[arctic hare]

Oh, hmm. thats cool.

[clever sapphire]

slimy is better for sub/outlaw

[arctic hare]

Ahh, by a large margin or?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

500 dps

or so

[arctic hare]

So not OVERLY large.

[clever sapphire]

nah

just craft slimy if you multispec

[arctic hare]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Ahh, so slimy expulsion is better in AOE for sin, but toxic is better for ST.

[clever sapphire]

ye, but, you know, sin and aoe dont go together well

[arctic hare]

Touche.

Yeah, definitely going to do slimy expulsion, cause I multispec quite a bit.

[strange python]

When do people use first beacon on Sark mythic?

[blazing jewel]

In the opener papi

[cerulean nest]

which classes did you guys have that were pumping the p2 adds?

[drifting cloud]

@blazing jewel do you have the evoker weapon proc weakaura that thanks

[blazing jewel]

Not anymore but I can get it

[grand trail]

warriors enha are good pumpers

[blazing jewel]

My guild has a ton

[blazing jewel]

Hawk has one that thanks his little emuffins when he buffs them

[cerulean nest]

ours are too. just figuring that out currently. how best to arrange CDs and stuff for the adds

our overall add damage is low early into our p2 prog

[drifting cloud]

please do share when you have time

[grand trail]

we had so many "passive cleave" that it was insane i cannot even funnelů

[cerulean nest]

do you have a log I can look at?

[sudden canyon]

would say sepsis is a rotational ability or a cooldown?

[cerulean nest]

treated more like a cool down I guess? but most fights you're still hitting on CD so idk

[royal lantern]

sepsis itself? rotational

[lusty ermine]

What does the new pinned message mean by the buffs shouldn't impact our view of the meta vs sub?

[spice spire]

The “is sin better than sub” question hasn’t changed

[vestal wren]

still a play what you like ^^

[blazing jewel]

@drifting cloud https://wago.io/GadxkE_VQ

[midnight mist]

is sin better than outlaw tho

[blazing jewel]

Probably have to slightly alter it

[spice spire]

Go away

[grand trail]

logs or paper?

[midnight mist]

[midnight mist]

sims are fake fr fr

I never trust sims

only hit dummies

[sudden canyon]

so still yes. got it

[spice spire]

Don’t hit urself wtf

[midnight mist]

?

no bully

quake wtf

[spice spire]

I’m toxic man I’m sorry

[frozen iris]

Question about sepsis for a weak aura. Making sure I understand it correctly. We pop sepsis and we get a buff and the target gets a debuff. We use the buff on garrote. The debuff continues and when it expires we receive the buff again?

[spice spire]

Yes

[frozen iris]

Thanks

So realistically we don’t need to track that debuff right. Should just track the buff.

[drifting cloud]

is it for the guy with weapon or everyone

[blazing jewel]

It’s from hawk so it should be the weapon

I dont have the ty vel one anymore so thats the best I have for you

[drifting cloud]

ty sir

[drifting cloud]

@blazing jewel it doesnt work

[blazing jewel]

rip

[past forum]

Is there a way to sim gems where all but 1 socket is fixed so I can sim the difference between 2 gems on a specific piece?

There’s 1 socketed piece I have to share between specs cause it has my toxic patch, so I wanna compare how different gems sim in that slot for all 3 specs

[balmy condor]

there isn't

but that's by design

because the difference between gems is so minor, only changing 1 slot just eats a fuck ton of processing time

sims take forever to get that accurate

[past forum]

That makes sense

[balmy condor]

because the default 15,000ish fights they run

are too volatile

[past forum]

I’ll just sim for assa and call it a day

[clever sapphire]

just craft crit mastery, thats good for all 3 specs

[frozen iris]

Or you can sim each combination of stats in the Droptimizer. It’s a lot of fun.

[runic hinge]

I don’t pay for raidbots premium to not sim like 20 different things a week despite not actually committing to changing any secondaries or gems

[subtle tundra]

i believe we get buffed again tomorrow

[grim tangle]

I doubt it

[main crypt]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere fulcrum]

Other than 5% we get ?

[subtle tundra]

yes

!!!!

[austere fulcrum]

[sudden canyon]

i gave it a go. i pr'ed but missed some changelog stuff.

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

how'd you get the garrote timing check to work

[main vessel]

It’s not the full thing

It’s a good starting point though

[sudden canyon]

timing with what? with sepsis? i just used the already made SnapshotSpec for improved garrote and added Sepsis buff so that it counts it for the uptime

[balmy condor]

oh

[main vessel]

Ya, there’s more to do for Sepsis as a whole

Not just Garrote

[balmy condor]

that's the easy part

[sudden canyon]

yea it was

what are you guys tryna do?

[balmy condor]

the thing I've been struggling with for the last month was trying to get it to return the quality of each sepsis cast, including the garrote casts and the shiv cast attached to them

[main vessel]

Ya, I reviewed it, once the build finishes, I’ll get it in

Haven’t started on what Whispyr mentioned

Because the goal is to give Sepsis a breakdown like how the other cooldowns have a breakdown

[balmy condor]

it looks like this

but like

[main vessel]

Not just that Sepsis gave you a good Garrote

[balmy condor]

the issue is that its just returning null on all the calls I make

[main vessel]

(Which is still useful, to be clear)

[balmy condor]

and I can't get it to give me a return

[main vessel]

I’ve been helping Whispyr for a bit and now I’m gonna actually poke at it

When I get home and get a bit of time

[balmy condor]

I'm too stupid to figure it out

[sudden canyon]

that sepsis cooldown breakdown, is it on a branch somewhere. I get what youre asking and could start looking at how the other modules are done as examples.

[balmy condor]

essence break on havoc does something similar

[sudden canyon]

ok

[balmy condor]

https://github.com/JannickMueller-Whispyr/WoWAnalyzer

if it helps you can steal my fork

it's like half-baked junk

[main vessel]

Ultimately what you’re looking for

Is look for a Sepsis cast, then the removal of the Sepsis buff with a stealth ability cast within X ms of it. If there was a remove Sepsis debuff within Y ms of it, it’s the first Sepsis empowered cast; if there isn’t, it’s the second.

So you’re ultimately chaining like 7 conditions to find specific casts

[drifting cloud]

[hushed fable]

Does WoWanalyzer works well btw? It says whatmakes no sense cuz I always used sepsis buff to empowered garrote and futhermore I wouldn't have 3 instaces of sepsis buff wasted on ambush within 4 seconds.

[balmy condor]

that's what the conversation above is about

it doesn't support sepsis atm

[hushed fable]

Ah right. Yeah I was intrigued by this and read it only w/o paying much attention. My bad

[sudden canyon]

can u share me ur wcl link?

[hushed fable]

I can do wow analyzer atm cuz I'm abit busy. And ashamed of dropping rupture once

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/ZN81ThWzvHAnK9b2/22-Heroic+The+Vigilant+Steward,+Zskarn+-+Kill+(3:39)/Igree/standard/statistics

@sudden canyon https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZN81ThWzvHAnK9b2#fight=22&type=damage-done

[sudden canyon]

i see, its counting blindside procs within the sepsis buff window. Fixed now.

[agile osprey]

So I became a traitor and am playing sub on echo prog tonight

priest accidentally been pi'ing me for the first half of the night

[slim hamlet]

great

+1% dps

[gilded oasis]

I'm playing tonight

I got a splinter

[balmy condor]

[thorny quiver]

Tomorrow we are viable and will dominate m+

[balmy condor]

I wish I had half your optimizism off a 5% buff

[gilded oasis]

well Whispyr said it as going to make us bis and also pinned it so how can he not be

[balmy condor]

true that is what I pinned

you got me

[gilded oasis]

[thorny pond]

Sin pumps man

just beat a fire mage in a key

[balmy condor]

just because you play with a shit fire mage doesn't mean sin pumps

[thorny pond]

You splled "average" wrong

[gilded oasis]

was it a +12?

[balmy condor]

if a sin rogue beats a fire mage there's nothing average about that guy lmao

[thorny pond]

20

yes I know. Just a small win for sin rogues

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

He probably has at least an average social life because he’s not a loser stay mad nerds

[balmy condor]

why don't you go to elwynn forest to touch some grass wagey

[spice spire]

On it boss

Just like I’m on you papi

[gilded oasis]

anyone looking for a daggie?

[balmy condor]

yep but I'm saved

log in, raid

mega dungeon up to second boss

log out

[runic hinge]

Found a group that was on second boss. Get summoned, kill boss, no daggie, alt-f4

[balmy condor]

what a dream

[gilded oasis]

I have the daggie

[subtle tundra]

Way more than I would do

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

you can tell its end of season

cause holy those nerfs lmao

boss is free af

[keen spruce]

30 more seconds is wild

echoing howl is wild

the other stuff don't really matter that much

[balmy condor]

the add health and the beserk change alone just completely remove any dps check

[keen spruce]

ig the add health just means it'll get passive cleaved down

[gilded oasis]

tell that to our 312 puillz

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

End of season, not even ptr

🔚

[balmy condor]

sistren what

[blazing jewel]

Howl nerf is the biggest of them all imo

3 heal should be very easy now

[balmy condor]

howl nerf is crazy yeah

[gilded oasis]

they just hit 313

[keen spruce]

cwazy

[balmy condor]

lowkey like

that was a huge hps check

and they removed the dps check

[gilded oasis]

well when you sit one of your top 4 boss dam and havent had the same roster in for the last 6 raid nights idk what you think

[balmy condor]

if you can survive p1 the boss dies lowkey

[keen spruce]

[drifting cloud]

2.5 months Aware

[keen spruce]

whipsyr u underestimate our ability to die to easy parts of the fight

[balmy condor]

tf am I gonna do for 2.5 months

I guess 10.2 ptr maybe soon

[keen spruce]

more mushroom game

[silk bane]

surely sarkerath dies now!

goodbye yellow angry lizard army man

[balmy condor]

true but big summer event is over now

so like

just logging in for weeklies/dailies atm

[thorny pond]

Summer doldrums

got us beat

[errant swallow]

Is haste getting more value in raids tomorrow?

[balmy condor]

compared to

[errant swallow]

crit/mastery

[balmy condor]

no

[errant swallow]

wondering if I should recraft chest (mast/crit)

Thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

💀

brother it's a 5% aura buff

you don't gotta move mountains

[errant swallow]

I wish I could tho

Thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

[pliant cairn]

Does feint reduce damage that glittersurge does on sark? It doesn’t look aoe but im not sure

[balmy condor]

yes

[silk bane]

keep cloak for it if u can. if u cloak the second disintegrate goes off, u can cloak like half of the surge too

[quiet oar]

Yeah

You can also feint beams and breath right?

[balmy condor]

yes

problem with breath is that it's not the breath damage that kills you

it's the dots afterwards

the breath damage isn't actually that bad

[quiet oar]

Yeah

I mean better than nothing tbh

Im not feeling safe at sark

In p1

[balmy condor]

I had a dedicated cocoon from our mistweaver

on the big group breath

[silk bane]

LMFAO our mw has a cocoon macro for me too

[quiet oar]

Health pot, health Stone and vial on cd

[twilit jacinth]

Assa will get buffed on Wednesday right?

[quiet oar]

Yes

[twilit jacinth]

Wonder about the impact in raid!

[balmy condor]

5% more than now

[twilit jacinth]

Sure…

[balmy condor]

the math checks out

[frozen iris]

I asked earlier , but not sure it was answered. Is there any reason to track the sepsis debuff if your already tracking the buffs?

[balmy condor]

no

unless you're having trouble pressing shiv afterwards I guess

but if you're able to sepsis->gar->shiv

[quiet oar]

You get from Bottom Overall dps to 5% less bottom Overall dps, but get even 5% deadlier for pure Boss dmg

[balmy condor]

then no reason to track sepsis

[quiet oar]

I had to track Sepsis with Sound to not forget to press garrote

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Dude

It was the first time this Patch and it was at the beginning of sarka progress

[balmy condor]

but why would you track the debuff to remember to press garrote

and not the buff

[quiet oar]

Oh maybe i mixed that two things

[balmy condor]

bro hears a bell when spesis expires and counts to 10 in his head

[quiet oar]

MB

[near valley]

You don't?

Ripbozo

[balmy condor]

nah unlike you outlaw rogues, I'm capable of sitting still for more than 3 nanoseconds without spazzing out

[quiet oar]

3 nanoseconds

Without doing something

Whispyr boomer confirmed

[near valley]

[runic hinge]

[near valley]

Whispyr just jealous of our grappling hook

[torn atlas]

Gotta use that 3 seconds for 6 jumps and 8 x 360 spins

[quiet oar]

But Yeah i track the buff

[balmy condor]

yeh okay

so you're sane

[quiet oar]

Yeah

Got Confused

By myself

And Hit myself

[near valley]

Can you be sane if you play Rogue?

[balmy condor]

when I'm not in adrenline rush I have to adadadada spam or else my fingers seize up

[quiet oar]

Its true

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-its-true-its-damn-true-damn-wwe-gif-16280657

[near valley]

Boomer hands

[balmy condor]

true

24 years old

[midnight mist]

I feel attacked

[balmy condor]

arthirtis hitting diffy

[runic hinge]

It’s all the bowling

[balmy condor]

bro when I started bowling again I realized how weak the tendons in my knees were

shit was brutal

had to do like a month of knee exercises

I actually felt like a boomer

sitting there in my room

doing knee strengthening

[near valley]

I can't touch my toes tbf

[balmy condor]

overrated skill

who tf need to do that

[quiet oar]

Whisp only 24 year old?

[near valley]

What if ur having to play head, shoulders knees and toes?

[balmy condor]

only? brother that's ancient in here

[deft flicker]

That’s a lot in rogue years, y’know

[near valley]

Look like a right moron not being able to touch ur toes

[balmy condor]

fuck kinda true

[quiet oar]

I thought you are 30

[deft flicker]

Dude was around when hemorrhage was a thing

[balmy condor]

nah that's the other assa CFs

[quiet oar]

Ye im 25

[balmy condor]

I'm the youngest assa cf

[runic hinge]

I’m 33 and an actual boomer

[quiet oar]

I wonder why

[near valley]

Omg u losers are old

[balmy condor]

actually maybe cev is younger

I don't remember how old cev is

moment

[near valley]

22 yrs

[quiet oar]

Arent you Too young for sin channel than

[balmy condor]

I can't find how old cev is

unlucky

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

@limber lion age check

[quiet oar]

Ping hin

Whats Hes gonna do

[near valley]

Cev is 28

[quiet oar]

Mute you?

[near valley]

What my crystal ball says

[balmy condor]

nah

he's younger than that

[near valley]

26

[quiet oar]

18

[near valley]

14

[limber lion]

27

[near valley]

Bro I was close

[limber lion]

So close, yet so far

[balmy condor]

damn

I'm the youngest by 3 years

that's fucked

[near valley]

My crystal ball outta loop

[quiet oar]

Fucking zoomer

[limber lion]

and the one with the biggest dick

must be nice

[near valley]

Give me ur lunch money kid

[balmy condor]

I count in centimeters so I feel better about myself

[clever sapphire]

I count in millimeters, higher number mean better right?

[limber lion]

Something like that yeah

[near valley]

Nautical miles is where its at

[quiet oar]

I mean, you are American. Just measure in ants

And numbers goes up

[deft flicker]

Use Details bars instead

[balmy condor]

I measure in quarts per square inch

like a real american

gallons per fortnight mile

[deft flicker]

Damn

I’d be a very bad us citizen

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/american-usa-eagle-proud-gif-17397487

[deft flicker]

Can’t even come up with a good measurement unit

[near valley]

Fortnite*

[quiet oar]

[near valley]

Listen here boomer

Idk what made up words ur conjuring

[quiet oar]

I can feel the !Mute superior koffing from whisp

Or a mega roast

[near valley]

Would show weakness if he did

Would imply he's threatened by my superiority

[quiet oar]

You missed a rogue pun there bud

[balmy condor]

it's very easy right, so 1 gallon is 4 quarts, 1 quart is 2 pints, and 1 pint is 2 cups

and so since 1 gallon is 3.78 liters

[near valley]

Just like the regular Koffing

[balmy condor]

1 quart is a little less than a liter

[near valley]

Would find weakness wouldn't work

[balmy condor]

so a pint would be 473ml

and then a cup would be 236ml

[grand trail]

Prep for Wednesday 😂

[quiet oar]

You could ve made it work

[balmy condor]

it's basically already metric system

but dumb

[near valley]

UK pints are bigger than that

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[balmy condor]

everything bigger in the UK

[quiet oar]

Even deez?

[balmy condor]

like the amount of stabbings

[near valley]

Unironically trueee

[quiet oar]

[near valley]

For every 1 shooting in the US, 10 people have probs gotten shanked

Easy solution though

Just don't get stabbed

[balmy condor]

always carry a shield

[quiet oar]

Just vanish like a Real rogue

Or Pop evasion

[clever sapphire]

just be a mage and frost nova, blink, blink

rogue gonna stab himself after out of confusion

[deft flicker]

Just kite

[solid forge]

hello looking for someone who tryed to push as a sin rogue, anyone ? :x

[near valley]

There was that one dude who was like r1 rogue as sin

Forgot what his name was though

[clever sapphire]

well now that is a lot of help if i ever saw it

[near valley]

2 min sprint cd

[near valley]

Was hoping someone would fill in the blanks

[clever sapphire]

ah, we dont do that here

[clever sapphire]

why exactly do you need a sin rogue btw?

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

Best advice would be to go to talents

Click on specs

And go to sub

[balmy condor]

yeah I pushed as sin rogue

I did 20's for vault week 1

MDI ready

[near valley]

Think I saw you on TGP

[clever sapphire]

i did 20s before S2 came out

[solid forge]

i know that we sucks

but i need to int my mates a bit

[balmy condor]

you've come to the right place

[near valley]

Just playing sin is enough to int

[clever sapphire]

ah, just go AP/DTB

could go AP/IC to int even harder

no boss dmg

[near valley]

AP/KB

[balmy condor]

fuck capstones

[clever sapphire]

even i have my limits

[near valley]

True

[balmy condor]

just take all the stuff before the capstones

[clever sapphire]

SBS finally taken confirmed?

[near valley]

Don't take iron wire

Can't be proving value

[clever sapphire]

you dont know who you are talking to, i take master assassin without iron wire

[balmy condor]

now I'm curious

[near valley]

Hi Curious 👋

[clever sapphire]

tbh you will just feel worse compared to sub, its not that big of an int

[balmy condor]

what if we just take talents from the top down

[clever sapphire]

pog, exsang and the kidney shot bleed thingy

now i gotta stun my target too for extra bleed

[near valley]

Why even take deathmark

[quiet oar]

This looks like a build cursed would play

Bgl

[runic hinge]

I feel like poison bomb is a must take

[balmy condor]

we have CT

[near valley]

Nah he needs to int