assassination

[keen spruce]

I thought i did

[agile osprey]

That's back to back weeks where the pug left mad

I love it

[pure moth]

you guys had the group made before igot on. so i didnt see anything

[keen spruce]

mook didn't warn me it's all his fault

[pure moth]

haha

ill just keep the trinket in bank for now

[keen spruce]

okay it's like 102f in my room

i'm goin to my mom's place

so my computer or I don't die of heat stroke

surely daggies next week

[worn sorrel]

Should I craft double dagger?

Or just one?

[tawny pike]

the time strike effect from the agger only works on the megaungeon?

[boreal valley]

I just did a decent Echo kill

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[boreal valley]

holy fk

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal valley]

[spice surge]

It works everywhere

[silk bane]

is it me or is kyle reformed? hes no longer out here shit posting. I miss Kyle

[balmy condor]

who tf kyle

[spice surge]

Whispyr really be disrespecting kyle like that

[silk bane]

broooo thats not needed

kyle didnt deserve that

[silk bane]

scana

[balmy condor]

I know

[silk bane]

lul fuckig kyle man

[spare narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray crest]

put some respect on his name before he punches a hole in your wall

[gusty mirage]

@keen spruce it happened

maybe I get sark dagger tonight?

[runic hinge]

Guaranteed

[gilded oasis]

I believe in you

[silk bane]

im so happy for you im in tears

[gusty mirage]

I got stuck going down into p3 transition on sark

😐

and fell through a hole

it wouldn't let me move lmao

[gilded oasis]

oxi loves holes confirmed

[gusty mirage]

only @spice spire 's

[silk bane]

based enjoyer of holes

[spice surge]

Holesome comment

[gusty mirage]

I can't believe that just happened

[silk bane]

^ things oxi says after he 'accidently' falls into some random hole he met at the club

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-wawa-oh-the-misery-cat-discord-gif-25805976

[blazing jewel]

Im actually so hyped for rogue rework

something fresh

[silk bane]

I have a feeling sins gonna get quite a bit of work

idk about the other two but yeah

so excited

[spice spire]

HUH

[idle inlet]

I hope our rework is on the same scale as ret pally... without the nerfs afterwards XD

[silk bane]

its not

[glacial lantern]

Honestly, i actually didn't like the ret rework that much

It's better in terms of utility, defensives mobility etc... But the core gameplay is pretty standard, nothing to write home about

I thought the wake of ashes reset gameplay was awesome, and i was not happy at all when they removed it, but they also improved some other aspects, so in the end i guess i'm whatever about ret gameplay

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

This channel went down hill since the glory days smh my head

[spice surge]

Glory days are ahead of us for sure

Next patch surely

[gusty mirage]

we had glory days?

[silk bane]

bruh, i read that as 'since the glory hole days'

somethings wrong with me todau

gotta sleep it off or something

[runic hinge]

Holes on the brain

[silk bane]

on god

[spice spire]

?

[slim hamlet]

Probably not while I have been alive

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire still no dagger

[spice spire]

beacon?

[gusty mirage]

no

nelth trinket tho

[spice spire]

yeah so minor w

at least there's something

[gusty mirage]

wdym minor

major win

I never have to use beacon again

that's the biggest win of the decade for me

[peak bobcat]

I got a bacon in the vault

Now I feel forced to use it forever

[spice spire]

Real

[boreal valley]

i got nelth trinket this week too

[spice spire]

Huge gamers

[frozen iris]

Well well you lucky fucks. Socket for me this week

[cobalt hemlock]

i ran out of sockets to get

[clever sapphire]

i didnt do enough content to even get to a socket

[blissful forge]

more like holes in the wall 🌚✊🏿

[slim hamlet]

I didn't even do a single thing for vault on rogue

And didn't realise

[fresh wedge]

AMR and Raidbots are giving me conflicting recommendations. Which is more accurate atm?

[vestal wren]

raidbots

[spice surge]

Is ask mr robot still a thing

Or well, do they claim it to be updated

[fresh wedge]

AMR says updated for 10.1.5 according to change log.

[vestal wren]

i haven't had any contact with them in years but simc has mor man power

so i can't make any judgement of quality

[vestal wren]

it was the go-to for healers for a while

but healers use a diffrent website now

[fresh wedge]

Oh yeah? What website for healers? I still been using AMR for healy/tank toons.

[vestal wren]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/

i am still not convinced about the project but it seems well recived

[spice surge]

Ask mr robot is telling me that swapping all my gems and enchants to haste and wafting is a 0.8% dps increase, as sub

And its a 2.5% dps increase doing that on aoe

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[woeful meteor]

[gusty mirage]

if you want some extra funnies, check out wowanalyzer's updates

did you know it was updated to work in shadowlands?

but every time you submitted a log it would compare it to a heroic oppulence log?

[vestal wren]

would be what i expected

it was every time i checked inferior, but it also makes sense given how much time flows into the simc optimizations

while askmr has a small amount of pople work on implementing and optimizing all specs

[spice surge]

I cant even figure out how to see what rotation it does

If i had to guess they probably just scrape it from logs

[vestal wren]

there is a sequenc to look at

[vestal wren]

they do to a degree

i talked to them in legion

and they did mention that they look what people do in logs

[spice surge]

Cant find the sequence, fairly sure they dont include it anymore

[vestal wren]

in a explnation why even the baseline concepts from my guides/apl didn't apply to the sim

give me a sec, ill take a look

i did run two best in slot sims

it gave me spore cloak / cowl + toxic boots as bis gear

anvil + bomb dispenser is bis due to it

one of the sims suggested me haste enchants too, but only one enchant

[spice surge]

Ye idk, either way seems kinda scuffed and i would certainly not recommend it, especially not compared to raidbots

Like theres no way swapping everything to haste for m+ is a worthwhile thing to do as sub

[vestal wren]

for assassination, it wants me to use this two times

also again spor cloak

oh thats on dungeons sub too

[blazing jewel]

It’s for the speed proc

So you can run off the cliffs quicker

[vestal wren]

i am not even sure if they use simulations, but i assume they do

the interface is sadly hard to navigate

and there is not a lot of "how things work"

but this is also something you could say with raidbots (diffrence is, i know the behind the scenses)

[spice surge]

Unironically probably why. It also clearly wanted me to swap my avoidance enchants to speed since that makes their numer on the right side go up more

[vestal wren]

so would conclude to stick with raidbots

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[void mesa]

Weird question, the bleed on Experiments, can we evasion the dash/application or nah?

[blazing jewel]

Yes you just have to face the boss when he charges you

[void mesa]

Ooooooo

Tyty

[blazing jewel]

Can also evasion the dot on nelth when someone breaks a wall

[woeful wigeon]

why is noxxic saying agility mastery-> vers-> crit ->haste ????

atm sims say to equipe gems mastery vers also XD ??

[void mesa]

Do you need to face the wall or nelth?

[blazing jewel]

Nelth

Most people do it when the tanks break the walls going to the second add

[void mesa]

Can you slide one in P1? I guess it depends on kill timer

[blazing jewel]

Would have to be early I think but those ones usually don’t hurt

[gusty mirage]

better question, why is noxxic still a thing

[woeful wigeon]

well 10.1.5 updated so that why wondering as my sims where saying to put gems enchants to mastery vers also that why i waslike are we missing someting ?

wat are the stats cap we seeking fo at this point of the game then

[spice surge]

None

you sim your character

[woeful wigeon]

well i have a feeling my sims are totally breakdown cause all i do or change still getting same result with +- 300 dps diff

i have 447 neck in vault says it trash vs my 441

[spice surge]

Unless theres a very specific reason to have a breakpoint (like frostmage shatter crit cap) the idea of having certain stat numbers to aim for is from an antequaded era when simming was difficult and time consuming

So it was a guideline from theorycrafters to have people avoid needing to go through those hoops

[woeful wigeon]

nope its the crit haste 447 of kagni mythic boss vs 441 mastery haste neck from VP

both 3 sockets with stats +2 gems

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWpVVsvqdXDpdSGXZAnDxn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8VuhwdEMh8giBdUtJShVw

[gusty mirage]

I mean you're probably like mid 40% crit w/ crit phial

probably got a decent amount of haste already

[earnest remnant]

why does assa sims take so long oxi?

tryna do some assault sims here man

[gusty mirage]

because not even simc believes how dogshit the damage is

so it tries finding more dps anywhere

[earnest remnant]

okay hear me out

i know fragment is shit right

[blazing jewel]

What did he sayyyyyy

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

but would it be good for a 40sec kill

was thinking fragment + beacon

fragment to boost the living fuck out of KB

[blazing jewel]

Entire raid is about to run fragment

[gusty mirage]

fragment oversims for assassination

[earnest remnant]

iknow

[gusty mirage]

so why would it be good

[polar cape]

That sounds curse

[woeful wigeon]

no flask equiped just dubble weapen ruin crit

[spice surge]

It doesnt snapshot though does it

[gusty mirage]

ya slap on the crit phial and you're chilling on crit

[earnest remnant]

i just need to cramp dmg into a what 15sec window?

[gusty mirage]

crit's already pretty heavily DR'd at that point

[spice surge]

And kingsbane does more damage later

[earnest remnant]

"no clue how long the kb dot is"

[gusty mirage]

14s

[void mesa]

I really wanna see the result of this cooking now

[earnest remnant]

cuz my trinkets are gonna be beacon + something else

like class trinket would be good

if it procs

[blazing jewel]

There are going to be a lot of augs in that raid

[gusty mirage]

do you have the spear fragment from neltharus

[earnest remnant]

no

[gusty mirage]

unluigi

use it to giga juice crit

and pray for a beacon crit

[earnest remnant]

my trinkets

[gusty mirage]

ngl

prolly boon

unironically

[blazing jewel]

Wouldn’t the 3 min trinket from hardmode be good

[gusty mirage]

the mirror?

[blazing jewel]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

yeah ig

but gl pugging hardmode dawn

lmao

[blazing jewel]

3 min mirror would put beacon on 30s cd

[earnest remnant]

guess its just class+beacon

[blazing jewel]

Would be solid

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean you need rng either way

[void mesa]

Class beacon probably has very high variance but the highest highs

[blazing jewel]

Dragonscale

[woeful wigeon]

if i remove the 2 buzzing crit weapens with crit flask i got 40% crit maby sim with other weapen ruine like haste ?

[gusty mirage]

I think you're overthinking it too much

completely regemming & reenchanting for 300 dps seems kind of like a lot of effort

for something you won't even notice

[woeful wigeon]

well i notice i have some energie lack late fight like on rashok mythic

[earnest remnant]

welcome to rogue

haste isnt gonna fix that

[blazing jewel]

Farm out a raidhorn

[earnest remnant]

smd

[woeful wigeon]

must be someting on my sims that i do wrong or totally mental cause what ever i do or take or swap only 300-500 dps diff but sims are still simmss perfect senario whole fight

[burnt latch]

Grieftorch

Blast that mf

[woeful wigeon]

did ravenhold not have peeps who where looking intosims ?

[burnt latch]

Nope none

[blazing jewel]

0

[burnt latch]

We’re on our own sadly

[woeful wigeon]

blizzard need to stop going under table with outlaw and sub

[blazing jewel]

Feelycraft only

[woeful wigeon]

not healty XD

[burnt latch]

Under table?

[blazing jewel]

Herbo can you meet me under the table

[burnt latch]

5mins

[earnest remnant]

we do

we may even be spending to much time doing it

[woeful wigeon]

really wud love to see if one can look into it maby i doing someting totally wrong there

[vestal wren]

poisons and bleeds

[gusty mirage]

valid point

I like my "does no damage" joke a bit more tho

[vestal wren]

it is the same in dungeon slice

[blazing jewel]

R1 sin on mag is only 133k

[earnest remnant]

Assa does kinda suck huh

[blazing jewel]

[vestal wren]

220k dps

poor sublety with 139k

[earnest remnant]

need to do some sub sims for a 40sec killtimer as well

[vestal wren]

time to dig up rotten

[earnest remnant]

i made some makeshift build last reset

dont think it was the best

[blazing jewel]

This is like rotten for eranog boss damage all over again

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure i can go higher than this

[vestal wren]

oh wow thats quite good

[blazing jewel]

I had the funniest sin 100 boss damage parses

[woeful wigeon]

can you sim my char if poss see where i did a msitake at some poin ?

[burnt latch]

Send assa cds after he has phased with 3/3 zoldyks and KB

[earnest remnant]

we kill him as he phases

goal is to kill him before he heals

[burnt latch]

Yeah, delay your cds so u get full uptime in execute

[blazing jewel]

Sin cranks that fight don’t worry

[earnest remnant]

would have to wait for someone that plays assa to be able to help you, im a Sub rogue otp

[burnt latch]

U can send beacon and should get an on use stat trinket ready to go with cds too

So dm at like 15-20 secs ig

[blazing jewel]

Can’t really delay dm at all

Because tier set bonus

[burnt latch]

Oh yee true

Forgot thats a thing

Eh rogue sucks then ig

[earnest remnant]

when this season started i really hated brackenhide as a dungeon

im starting to enjoy it quite a bit

[clever sapphire]

currently im hella confused by the dungeon

well since they reworked %

[earnest remnant]

its just a fun blaster key

[clever sapphire]

oh ye for sure, im just confused about pulls since that patch

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage highest i can get my assa sim at currently

[spice surge]

Doesnt sound like youre doing anything wrong, you just overlooked the simple solution that it doesnt really matter. If swapping all gems/enchants/everything around to different stats barely changes the DPS, the takeaway isnt necessarily that the sims are incorrect, but just the simple fact that its all so close together that it doesnt really matter

[blissful forge]

ST build i assume

nvm i remember that you were doing speedkills

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

quite close to the 135k

how close are you on sub?

[earnest remnant]

im at 137.4k as sub

dont have Sark cloak

and thats about it xD

[vestal wren]

oh wow, nicu

[hushed fable]

Question. This is my sim with the best pieces I have atm. I'm at around 12% haste, 45%crit almost 52% mastery and 12.5% vers. Now, I want to craft neck and rings since that is the biggest upgrade, also 447 head so I cna have better stats than tier one gives. The sim demands from me to put almost everything on haste+mastery except neck ring or head which goes to crit+mastery. Does that seem right? How much haste should I - in theory - aim for?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9inygL54FB3GiZCqvk2u7s

[signal badger]

There isn’t really a stat aim, just do what the robot tells you, from my own experience this is my stat break down and I’m simming around 132k

But like I said follow the robot

[storm belfry]

Yes, follow the robots

[frozen iris]

Hmmm my robot doesnt seem to value crit as much as other people. I follow everything the Robot tells me. Am i doing the sim wrong? Do yall just use the default settings for Raidbots?

[signal badger]

My pic is with phial and runes so you might not have those on

[frozen iris]

I am as well its just interesting that other stat combos are better than Crit Mastery and im not sure why.

When i see mostly everybody's crit is in the low to mid 40s and mine is the low 30s but bot tells me to favor others. Like vers/master crafted gear is 0.6 to where crit/master is 0.3% better

[balmy condor]

Each character is unique

Item level, trinkets, sockets, crafted gear

If it sims higher it sims higher

[summer flicker]

yo

[limber lion]

This is exactly why we don't follow stat weights

[clever sapphire]

could also be that people do the move where they ask "yo is crit/mastery bis stat? ye? aight gonna craft everything crit/mastery" (couldnt be me)

[signal badger]

Hehe me too

[summer flicker]

as asssa how much haste should i have? i run out of energy around 2 full rota in

[proven jasper]

Welcome to the club

[summer flicker]

daaamn

i used to be good like 2-3 weeks ago

but randomly dropped significantly

[limber lion]

Take some time and read the last 10 messages before yours.

[summer flicker]

thanks

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

did you put on poisons?

maybe unlucky procs

or none at all

[proven jasper]

No sophic procs all raid night be like

[summer flicker]

i made weakauras for taht

[clever sapphire]

well not even sophic, just energy procs from vw

[proven jasper]

True

[summer flicker]

vw?

[proven jasper]

Venemous wounds

[clever sapphire]

venomous wounds

[summer flicker]

aaaa

[proven jasper]

energy proc

[balmy condor]

If I make a weakaura for sophic I would rage quit insta

I can’t handle that

[proven jasper]

^ me too

[clever sapphire]

forgot how you type it, so i used the shorten xD

[proven jasper]

Same with call

[clever sapphire]

yo whispyr, thought i found you in front of the raid

[balmy condor]

I had 25% sophic uptime on a 1.5% sark wipe doing 132k

And then on kill it was 8%

And I did 124 or some shit

[proven jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[balmy condor]

Wanted to through my monitor out the window

[summer flicker]

not bad lol

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

thats my benefit of having no idea about how warcraft logs work besides seeing funny number change colors

i never look at my buff uptimes

[balmy condor]

Yeah except one of them would’ve been a 98 and the other ended up being a 72

[main vessel]

You’re a 98 in my heart, king

[summer flicker]

rn im experiencing a 0-100 situation. is the weap ench matters this much?

[clever sapphire]

in which way, you mean the energy part?

[summer flicker]

in dmg

or

[balmy condor]

[summer flicker]

whatev the main benefit is for that specific enchant

[clever sapphire]

considering what whispyr said 10 messages ago, ye it can matter a lot

[runic hinge]

Who 100

[summer flicker]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

It should average out but a bad pull where all the rng doesn’t line up, no beacon crit, bad sophic proc, bad kill time

[main vessel]

For legal reasons, my wife

[balmy condor]

It tanks pretty hard

[summer flicker]

thats super seethe then

[runic hinge]

Is she holding a gun to you while you type that?

[main vessel]

I’m blinking twice rn

[summer flicker]

damn aight i yet to get into this game yet at 402

[clever sapphire]

402? wait where exactly did you see your dmg change

[balmy condor]

You should be able to basically always parse like 70-75 if you have good gear and play well

[keen spruce]

Just kill it when you proc well

[main vessel]

But twice

[summer flicker]

the dmg didnt necessarily changed but the energy manaegement

[main vessel]

Did you change a talent or something

[clever sapphire]

i mean the enchant only gives mainstat, that has nothing to do with energy regen as far as i know

[summer flicker]

maybe around 390? i could be hallucinathing tho

[keen spruce]

I mean you should expect to occasionally get energy starved

[summer flicker]

yet to get into that too(doing content that can yield parses that matter)

[clever sapphire]

main reason when i see myself being energy starved is when progging a boss and my poisons drop and i forget about it 🙃

[summer flicker]

mhm. thats fair since its not a spam class

[balmy condor]

Yeh then don’t pay attention to anything I say

I’m malding over mythic endboss parses on farm kills

[summer flicker]

kek

[summer flicker]

can relate

[clever sapphire]

guys i havent done the megadungeon at all yet, how are the bosses difficulty wise? can i just yolo it since im a gigamind

[keen spruce]

Whispyr have you tried strategically throwing pulls when you don’t proc

[main vessel]

Yes

Can confirm

[summer flicker]

chad

[main vessel]

I’m his tank

[balmy condor]

I literally can’t if I tried

[keen spruce]

Idk yoink a bomb in p3 and just don’t go downstairs or somethin

[balmy condor]

The most I threw a pull was first day back on giga jet lag and Omni hits me with the “can you grab a bomb” and I’m like yeah sure when do you need it

[main vessel]

Linux certainly tried

[balmy condor]

And he goes GO DOWN NOW

[keen spruce]

Or just ‘accidentally’ take a tank frontal

[balmy condor]

And I had to fucking drop a puddle on the wrong side of the raid

And then an augvoker ran into it

But we wiped for different reasons on that pull so

[runic hinge]

We wiped at 3% the other night when I was gonna have the 6th overall parse (on heroic) killed it next pull and I ended up with a 70

[balmy condor]

Pog

That’s me all the time

[keen spruce]

That was my rashok

Was cookin for r1 on all of our single digit pulls during prog

Then got leaps on my first 2 death marks and 0/3 beacon crits

[balmy condor]

I was in the 95’s for all of sark prog and then on kill I died and parsed a fat 28

And then went on vacation for 4 weeks and now I’m behind on the mythic track gear and mega dungeon dagger and rusty and aaaaaa

[keen spruce]

Dungeon dagger doesn’t exist

[runic hinge]

^

[keen spruce]

We might start running 4 rogues every Tuesday and just have our tank solo the 2nd boss

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[proven jasper]

It really doesnt exist

[void mesa]

Been trying to think and science a bit for Sin in M+ (feeling wacko and sin instead of sub this week), but I usually run dry on energy during bosses and ST parts. Outside intentionally pooling the last 2 charges of tea, anything to be done? Been trying to see if some talents can be moved to stuff like Venom Rush, but robot hates my ideas 😦

[balmy condor]

I mean you're simming for mythic plus, which has a lot of aoe, and trying to go away from aoe

the robot will hate that usually

I think the move is like varying degrees

sepsis is probably a good first start

trying to go venom rush is kind of an idea

but I think arterial probably ends up being a better cleave/single target situation

[void mesa]

hmmmm interesting

And yeah, now I realize that dslice sims dont really have weights to compare tyr vs fort (not that I know of)

[clever sapphire]

you caaaan just go the full ST build with bonespike and call it a day if your group has good aoe (dont take my word, whispyr gonna hate me for this)

[void mesa]

Are you suggesting like AP as opposed to IC? (I assume so cuz DTB is just... yeah)

Also sepsis vs SS is reaaaaally tricky for me to think which is gonna do better in which situation, since they both interact with each other?

FeelyCraft though x)

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

they don't inherently interact with each other, sepsis is just more single target

the damage bonus from shrouded is completely passive and doesn't require stealth

and sepsis doesn't give you the extra cp anyway

so on bosses, the uptime from sepsis + the damage is worth more than the extra flat damage

[void mesa]

I meant like, Sepsis still gives the stealth bonus, which are % on garrote. But is it an "increased" vs "more" angle? Does the 50% from Improved Garrote not work on Shrouded's 20%?

[balmy condor]

plus you'll have sepsis for IC

[balmy condor]

using poe terms, all damage increases in wow are "more"

[void mesa]

Sepsis + IC is very tempting cuz thats great QOL. It still procs Iron Wire as well

[void mesa]

That does help with feelcraft the talents

[balmy condor]

the only thing that's additive is like the same talents right

1/3 zold doesn't self-multiply with a second point

[void mesa]

Like multi points (f 3 pts talents..)

So a stealth garrote that would do base 100 dmg deals 130% from Bloody Mess, than (1.30x1.50) from Improved Garrote and then (previous result x 1.20) from Shrouded

So they kinda do interact, but if everything is "more"... then everything is also basically an "increased"

Since theres no one buff that has more interactions than another

Cuz the weird talent tree swaps idea I had were like

Remove LD, Thrown Precision
Get Doomblade, Lightweight and Venom Rush

But I have a feeling LD might do more dmg than I realize :/

[balmy condor]

ye

[balmy condor]

never drop ld

LD is easilly like 2-3x as strong as any other comparable point

[void mesa]

Is Improved Poison also one of those super good talents that may not look like it?

[balmy condor]

it's pretty okay

[void mesa]

hmmm

Also it cant be just me but AP, numbers wise, seems bad? Even with the +400%, it doesnt look like a lot of dmg? I guess its the 20% increased bleed/nature on high uptime that makes it better

[balmy condor]

yeh and it cleaves

if it were good we would be using it

but like

you're not looking for good

you're looking for not bad

[void mesa]

so damn true

Does that seem to fit the "not bad" in your opinion?

[balmy condor]

yeh that looks okay

[void mesa]

Honestly cant wait for 10.2
I really enjoy tinkering around talent trees and builds

hopefully we get some cool variants and options while still being competitive in those choices

[limber lion]

I think the choices we currently have are pretty minimal, but that should change with the rework and allow for many more options and playstyles

You'll hopefully have a good time whenever it releases if that's your jam

[cerulean nest]

any sin videos for M sark

finding literally zero

[winter gale]

Where's exact use of Beacon in opener and in rotation?

[versed mica]

Bc rogue sucks on M sark and we are being put in time out for sucking

[void mesa]

Stealth-Garrote-SnD-ER-Rupture-Beacon - rest of opener

Then off cd

[winter gale]

Ok

It's the same if 2nd trinket is bomb dispenser?

[void mesa]

ye

[winter gale]

Ty ❤️

[void mesa]

Just dont macro bomb, otherwise you might skip on some beacon casts

[winter gale]

Its macroed but it wont affect opener, for rotation I will easily adjust

[void mesa]

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1899891730?t=2h38m36s

that's timestamped to our kill pull this week

[cerulean nest]

tyty

[sweet dawn]

Prediction for 10.2

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

Us @ kingsbane being usable again

[cerulean nest]

who clears on your breath 1?

[balmy condor]

healers and tanks

[cerulean nest]

so your healers are all in melee for that?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[proven jasper]

I hope i miss him so much

[balmy condor]

they bait the first bombs

and then gate in

everyone's basically in melee

you can also compare to my raid frames

they show the debuff

anyone going from 2->1 is clearing

looks like the priests stay out actually

[keen spruce]

watching you guys handle p2

makes me very looking at our vods

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

if it makes you feel any better, we went kazzara -> nelth -> sark

one shot kazzara and nelth

and then spent legit the entire reset of the night on sark

[spice spire]

Wish you’d one shot me

[balmy condor]

the way god intended brother

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

oh, yeah this is fucking troll as hell

[keen spruce]

guess what happens when we dispell

[clever sapphire]

your face when exsang makes a comeback too

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[keen spruce]

but we also haven't had that many pulls to sort out the gate and what not

surely it will be better when I get back in 2 weeks

[cerulean nest]

how do ranged healers make it back to bait the second bombs after standing in first breath

its like immediately after

[limber lion]

Exsang bis

[balmy condor]

yeh the priest healers stay out, it's just the monk and pal

[cerulean nest]

ah ok

we have three ranged heals

little trickier

[balmy condor]

put a dps in there

the idea is just spreading out the clears

[cerulean nest]

word

[atomic star]

😦

[keen spruce]

[atomic star]

i just want to kill this man once so i never have to do it again

[void mesa]

o o f

[tiny root]

Hey guys - had a quick question and would appreciate any advice! On a fight like echo, would crimson tempest be a decent pick to help with adds in P3? We are close to a kill and typically dont need extra dps on adds, but if we lose one of the guys who nukes them they overwhelm us

I haven’t played around with that part of the tree that much this season and I’m not sure if taking it would really impact my ST dps

[atomic star]

im just a noob sin player but i would say definitely not

your job is blow up boss almost any other spec in the game is better for adds

[sweet dawn]

tbh for assa you're better off just pumping envenoms into boss and fok to generate combo points

in the add phase

poison bomb will do non neglible aoe dps

[keen spruce]

we banned all AoE abilities on nelth

one fire mage was basically enough to cover all of our add troubles

and passive cleave

[spice surge]

You lose way too much of your singletarget damage by going crimson

[keen spruce]

also this

if there ever is an AoE need

there are like 30 other specs that are better

than you

so just smack boss

[tiny root]

Okay cool, thanks! That’s what I was figuring but just wanted to check

It still hurts sometimes seeing a bunch of adds and not having anything good to press! Hahaha

[spice surge]

🤓 Theres only 26 dps specs in the game 🤓

But youre probably right anyway

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

Theres probably a couple of healer and tank specs that would be better of swapping to aoe talents before you anyway

[keen spruce]

[tiny root]

Lmao

Thanks again fellas! Hoping we get him tonight

[balmy condor]

assassination plays 1 talent build for every fight in the raid

I don't even remember what the talent page looks like

[atomic star]

mfw no council fight for arterial precision

[spice spire]

AP

[atomic star]

i think the talent is kinda fun to play when it actually works tbh

its just it has literally only worked 1 fight the entire time its existed lmao

[gusty mirage]

[small warren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glacial lantern]

I just realized, but, is the reson why you see assassination log slightly better than sub or outlaw in pure st due to pi?

Since sin rogue actually scales pretty well with haste

[spice surge]

It doesnt really log higher on pure ST, but also sin doesnt scale particularly well with short term haste buffs like PI

Because theres essentially no burst, its all just slow and steady

According to bloodmallet theres 16 specs that benefit more from PI than assa

[glacial lantern]

Well yes, but compared to how outlaw and sub scale with pi, the difference is massive

Basically twice as good

3 times almost actually

[spice surge]

Also half as good as the best specs

Surely next patch its a PI assa angle

[glacial lantern]

Yea, but i was only comparing to other rogue specs

[spice spire]

You mean 2 of the bottom 5 specs to PI

Yeah we gain a little more

But it’s not the PI diff

[balmy condor]

assa rogues would need to get PI for that difference to matter

[glacial lantern]

That's what i meant, i noticed that some of the best pure st logs for rogue are assassination, and the only reason i can think of for that to be that case is, PI

[void mesa]

Better than bad means we still dont get it

Check the logs if they get PI. If they do, theyre just paying their raid to parse

I dont see a world where a functional comp would PI sin

[balmy condor]

idk bout that, in terms of assa rogues in the top 100 for all rogues, magmorax has 6, rashok has 8, kazzara has 13

and out of all those those assassination logs

only 4 of them are getting PI

so out of 300 rogues, less than 10% of them are assa, and out of those 10%, less than 15% of them are getting PI

that's actually nothing

[cerulean nest]

got P1 sark pretty much clean

this prog is so much nicer than Raz

[desert inlet]

the last time I got PI was Jailer farm

[spice spire]

Ur guild a real one for that

Ur also consistently top ten sin asp aren’t you?

[desert inlet]

most of the time yeah, usually got lower later in farm when nascent went on break

have some stinky parses rn actually

[gusty mirage]

never forget the endwyr sub arc in sanctum

[spice spire]

For shame -

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I did forget

Enlighten me

I only knew endwyr existed in sanctum. I’m a sheltered boy

[spice spire]

Even tho she’s been a leaderboard menace forever

[gusty mirage]

well it's only fair you call her a sub OTP like you do whispyr for that tier

[desert inlet]

forbidden knowledge

[spice spire]

Gonna be sick

Endwyr confirmed sub OTP

[gusty mirage]

(sorry endwyr ily)

[desert inlet]

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage have you heard of a guild called unprotected hex

[spice spire]

Difference is whispyr is a sub OTP

[gusty mirage]

I have not

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't that be me now

[drifting cloud]

good, keep it that way

[spice spire]

True

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I’ve seen ur parses in passing

Disgusted

[balmy condor]

The amount of unprotected hex apps we got in the last 3 tiers

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

[desert inlet]

gonna spam a lil but I wanna show off big numbers

can you tell I got PI in Sepulcher

[gusty mirage]

you got externals in sepulcher?

[spice spire]

Banned for the 76

[desert inlet]

lmao it was Anduin

couldn't pad enough

[balmy condor]

don’t bother, they’re racists and also toxic on top of it

[spice spire]

Playing rogue on anduin

[gusty mirage]

I wanted to kms in sepulcher

beauty really is in the eye of the beholder

[desert inlet]

I played pokemon emerald during prog

[gusty mirage]

I wiped on anduin for 3 hours on my birthday

that's my only memory of sepulcher

[drifting cloud]

sepulcher was ok but I sat anduin

[balmy condor]

I never killed anduin

[desert inlet]

there was a night where if you went to Nascent's progress page on warcraft logs

the "featured stream"

was me playing pokemon

[gusty mirage]

didn't miss anything dw

you kidney shotted 2 adds

and got carried

fun boss

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

How is that different to what I did on sark

[spice spire]

I expect it from you

Idk anything about endwyr tbf

[balmy condor]

Pumper rogue

[desert inlet]

I do a stab

[drifting cloud]

I opened stream yest and saw you on meters

so clearly not same

[gusty mirage]

endwyr's a homie

[balmy condor]

Yeah always show me buddy

I was 12th all night

[gusty mirage]

anduin doesn't drop a dagger

[spice spire]

As god intended

[drifting cloud]

I swear you were 6th

but maybe its like just after cds start of p2

[gusty mirage]

I had a blast on sark last night

[desert inlet]

more end bosses should drop daggers

guarantees I'm in

[spice spire]

🧢 ?

[gusty mirage]

so much fun

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

we cleared the other 5 in an hour and 20 minutes

😐

omg @desert inlet we're twinning

I also have killed sark multiple times to not get a dagger

twinsies

[drifting cloud]

weve had like 5 daggers

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

⬛

[gusty mirage]

and zero bitches

[drifting cloud]

uncalled for

[spice spire]

They have azor isn’t that enough

[desert inlet]

I don't have timestrike dagger either

[gusty mirage]

ayo

[desert inlet]

[gusty mirage]

TWINS

[drifting cloud]

same (I dont do the dungeon)

[spice spire]

Yeah I can’t bitch

[desert inlet]

I do it every week

[gusty mirage]

don't talk shit about my new coworker @spice spire

[spice spire]

I haven’t been doing it

[desert inlet]

and bring my friend's rogue alt

for trading

[gusty mirage]

I'm 0/5 on the nick of time

and 0/6 on sark daggers

[desert inlet]

bring back dinars

[spice spire]

I’m 0/0 dungeons run in the last 4 weeks

[gusty mirage]

you're also 0/0 on me caring

fuckin got em

[spice spire]

Habibi pls

[gusty mirage]

you're not allowed to call me that

I'm a taken man

smh

[spice spire]

Wait WHAT

[gusty mirage]

I'm not your love

[spice spire]

I didn’t realize you and her were

[gusty mirage]

watch it bud or I'm telling val

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

I’m cutting the hours at work

It’s joever

[gusty mirage]

you didn't realize what

I'm confused

@balmy condor do I just play SST again

I'm out of ideas man

[spice spire]

I didn’t realize you were seeing someone

Ice shot login

[gusty mirage]

bro fuck ice shot

lmao

[balmy condor]

Is that a sexual thing

[spice spire]

?

[gusty mirage]

spectral shield throw?

[spice spire]

You coming on to him?

[gusty mirage]

you were one letter off

[spice spire]

acksually it would be two letters off

Because it’s coming and cumming

[gusty mirage]

I can't spell

why are you bullying me when english is my 2nd language?

[spice spire]

[desert inlet]

what if the one letter made it "cooming"

[spice spire]

Is English actually you’re second language?

Holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

My narrative is crumbling

[gusty mirage]

I didn't speak english until I was 4 lol

[spice spire]

Jesus dude. You’re nuts

[drifting cloud]

yours aswell apparently

🤓

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Nah boomer autocorrect is my first language ur right

[gusty mirage]

immigrant parents, what can ya do

[spice spire]

I legitimately think outside of podcasts I’ve never typed a sentence in RH from my computer imma keep it a buck

[drifting cloud]

yeah well I didnt speak english until I was like 10!

[spice spire]

Still.

[gusty mirage]

yeah but I grew up in America

I was born and raised here

english as a 2nd language for someone born here is odd

[spice spire]

People that are ESL and are way better at English than first language people are wild

[drifting cloud]

I mean here we got other balkan immigrant and some have lived here for 30 years and cant speak the language

[gusty mirage]

its okay no one ever believes me when I say it

[spice spire]

I know bits and pieces of two languages 5 years between them

[gusty mirage]

but that's how I can speak 2 languages natively

[spice spire]

Why would you lie lmfao

[desert inlet]

it does help learning early

when your brain is still wrinkly

[gusty mirage]

my brain's so smooth rn

[spice spire]

My brain’s been smooth since birth

[gusty mirage]

18 years of wow will do that to a person

[spice spire]

Literally toaster IQ mf

[gusty mirage]

because I have no accent when I speak english

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[gusty mirage]

when I visit the motherland no one believes I'm american either because I speak the language w/ zero accent

[spice spire]

Speaking a language for 20+ years helps

So like

[gusty mirage]

I'll introduce you to my parents one day

you tell me if speaking a language for 50 years helped them any

[spice spire]

You started young

[desert inlet]

I try to brush up on my french now and I have the vocab of a toddler

[gusty mirage]

my dad speaks 4 languages fluently, kinda wild tbh

[desert inlet]

and the accent of that one guy in monty python

[gusty mirage]

I approve

[spice spire]

I can communicate in Spanish to patients but I have to tell them my Spanish is very broken and I apologize for it

[gusty mirage]

and my mother speaks 3 languages fluently

meanwhile my brother and I are peasants at 2

[spice spire]

Usually their English is better than my Spanish

Yeah I’m at like 1.1 shut ur cute mouth oxi

[gusty mirage]

I just want to know what compelled my father to learn german

[drifting cloud]

the porn

[spice spire]

Got that espanya’ll ya feel

[gusty mirage]

he already knew french

he was covered

[desert inlet]

historically there were a lot of german settlers where I'm from in WI

so a lot of schools taught german

[gusty mirage]

endwyr a fellow midwesterner too

we're actually twinning

holy shit

[spice spire]

Midwestern

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

I’m so sorry

[desert inlet]

I moved away tho

[gusty mirage]

I haven't

[desert inlet]

me big city liberal now

[gusty mirage]

I mean same

I just don't go to mid michigan

me not welcome there

[spice spire]

Alabama of the north

[gusty mirage]

the alabama of canada*

[spice spire]

Isn’t that Quebec

[gusty mirage]

no some people actually like alabama

[spice spire]

Name someone

Who likes Alabama

They call their congressman “coach”

[gusty mirage]

well that's because Tommy Tubberville coached Auburn for like 75 years

[desert inlet]

I mean the Alabama football coach is probably more important to the state

[gusty mirage]

bachelors in physical education btw

a US senator

[desert inlet]

than any politician

[spice spire]

Roll Tide is a weird mating call

[gusty mirage]

you wouldn't get it

you're not part of the family

[spice spire]

🫡

[gusty mirage]

mfers down there don't have family trees

they got family wreaths

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

[desert inlet]

at my school we had an alternating "eat shit" "fuck you" chant at football games

that was fun

[spice spire]

I wanna clown but I grew up in bfe so I’ve seen some sus shit

[spice spire]

Our hockey chant when we score is telling people they suck to the tune of “gold on the ceiling”

Pro team

[gusty mirage]

UW Madison?

[desert inlet]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

[desert inlet]

dropped out of the med school there

[desert inlet]

that's great lol

[spice spire]

Holy that’s some lore

[gusty mirage]

I grew up a Michigan State fan and I went to Michigan, fortunate time in my college career

[spice spire]

Yeah I really really like hockey here. Preds are a neat organization

[gusty mirage]

Fuck the preds

[desert inlet]

goilers

[spice spire]

Bro fuck you you red wings lookin ass

Wait

Why Edmonton?

[gusty mirage]

Why not

[runic hinge]

Mustard tigers

[desert inlet]

I picked teams I liked based on the ones I decided to play in the playstation games when I was a kid

[runic hinge]

Goated jerseys

[spice spire]

Real

[desert inlet]

so I'm an Oiler, Red Sox, Eagles, Heat fan

[gusty mirage]

Sorry can’t hear you from back here in the mid 2000s

[spice spire]

We’re twinning on basketball.
Of all things the Lamar Odom era got me on the heat

[desert inlet]

me Dwyane Wade fan

[runic hinge]

I’m a bruins fan

[spice spire]

Then they got an insane team like 5 years later

Big DWade fan

[desert inlet]

cried at his last home game

[spice spire]

Largest raiders (football) fan though.
Of all sports

All I know is pain for 2 decades

[gusty mirage]

You hate winners eh?

[drifting cloud]

endwyr a fan for sure, even spelt the name right

[spice spire]

No I hate myself

[desert inlet]

I forget they're in Vegas now sometimes

[gusty mirage]

They forget they’re playing professional football sometimes, so I think you’re good

[spice spire]

Yeah. Wanted to get tickets to the last Oakland game but it was a bit pricy so decided not to

[spice spire]

Lions fan speaking?

[gusty mirage]

wanted
go to Oakland

You think I’m a lions fan?

[spice spire]

I think you hope they do well and get constant disappointment

[gusty mirage]

I watched them destroy Barry Sanders career

And then Calvin’s

Fuck the ford family and the lions

[spice spire]

I was about to say there’s a more recent example

[gusty mirage]

I cheer for wherever my Spartans go

[spice spire]

Matt Stafford had to escape

[gusty mirage]

I have no team

[spice spire]

What’s the last spartan that was a superstar? Legit question I’m sure there’s one more recent than leveon

[gusty mirage]

Trae Waynes, Bennie Fowler, darquez Dennard, will gholston

[drifting cloud]

does the season start soon or why u talking about football all of a sudden

[desert inlet]

kirk

[spice spire]

I meant more massive names

[gusty mirage]

Kork coupons

Connor Cook got done dirty. Y the raiders

[spice spire]

Yeah less than a month away

[spice spire]

That’s true

[drifting cloud]

2023 I still dont know the rules of this game

[spice spire]

Cannot argue with it

[drifting cloud]

but im getting there step by step every year watching superb owl

[spice spire]

It’s an awesome game

[gusty mirage]

Kirk cousins and leveon

And bfowls

[spice spire]

I played until high school. Just demanded too much

[gusty mirage]

Bfowls won a fucking Super Bowl ring

I got to watch the good guys win the last ever rose bowl before the CFP started

I’m content for life

[spice spire]

I mean Michigan state churns talent in the NFL, not every school drops superstars year and year. But also higher rated schools provide less talent so

My college team (mom went there) has won the last two years over the cousin bangers so I’m content atm

[gusty mirage]

If you’re ever bored watch the 09 rose bowl highlights. Former walk on stopped stanfords 4th and 1 run to win it

[spice spire]

At least one team wins

[desert inlet]

that's so cool

love a good walk on story

[blazing jewel]

this is peak sin channel content

[gusty mirage]

I mean MSU is no Notre Dame or Michigan or OSU

But they hold their own

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

I always cheer for the underdog, that’s how I became a spartan in Wolverine country

[spice spire]

I look at MSU and they provide more meaningful stars (recently) than like Texas, UT, (maybe USC?)

[desert inlet]

is that why you talk in the sin channel

[gusty mirage]

I also liked the patriots when they were absolute dogshit because I liked their jerseys lol

Drew Bledsoe

[spice spire]

Why do you think I like the raider s :^)

[desert inlet]

patriots stinky

me hate

[spice spire]

Don’t hate on bledsoe dog

[gusty mirage]

Bruh

Bledsoe was Jon Kitna

And you can’t change my mind

[spice spire]

Ain’t nothing wrong with a Jon Kitna

[gusty mirage]

Above average game manager

Jon Kitna was absolute dogshit

[spice spire]

He was mid but the focus was never him

[gusty mirage]

The only good thing that man did in his career was show up to a Lions Halloween party as the assistant coach who got arrested for a DUI for driving through a Wendy’s butt ass naked in his car

[spice spire]

Rich Gannon was similar.
Not a hall of famer but solid and could make a pass or two that was really good

[desert inlet]

🐐 🐐 🐐

[spice spire]

That was the biggest W the lions org had that year

[gusty mirage]

Nah 0-16 was a W

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-bigfellerjake-skippe-space-i-think-gif-26908844

[gusty mirage]

It takes a lot of skill at being terrible to lose every single game

They went 0-20 if you count the preseason too

[desert inlet]

at least if you go 0-16 it's memorable

is 1-15 really better?

[spice spire]

No it’s worse

[gusty mirage]

True they made history

They were so good at being bad that they’re forever immortalized

[spice spire]

You arent the top pick if someone else went 0-16

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

I remember a safety said he’d walk back to Detroit from green bay if they lost to the packers and went 0-16, y’all think he actually walked?

[spice spire]

She moved on to better places (literally anywhere else) @ember mural

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather live in Wisconsin than Nebraska or Indiana

Or Ohio

[desert inlet]

we had some nice stuff!

[gusty mirage]

They have cheese up there bro

[desert inlet]

circus, touristy stuff in the dells, good hiking

oh yeah and cheese

[gusty mirage]

How can you hate Wisconsin

[spice spire]

I’d rather live in 45 different states than tn dog

[gusty mirage]

Their cheese is actually next level

[spice spire]

I’m literally a hater

[drifting cloud]

does Indiana have a bad rep

[brazen zodiac]

<3

[gusty mirage]

Their governor tried mandating electroshock therapy for gay kids, and then he became vice president

Cool country we live in

[spice spire]

🫡

Surely it can’t get worse

[drifting cloud]

wait is that mike pence

[gusty mirage]

Oh also it’s like 99.9% soybeans and corn

[drifting cloud]

or some otehr guy

[gusty mirage]

Yes lmao

[spice spire]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

I see

[gusty mirage]

It is indeed X-men villain Michael pence

[spice spire]

Okay

That made me laugh irl

[gusty mirage]

Bro tell me he doesn’t look like an X-men villain

[spice spire]

[desert inlet]

I can still get good cheese here tho

Tillamook good

[marble hemlock]

whats his super power?

[desert inlet]

homophobia

[runic hinge]

Electroshock therapy

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

how would that manifest within the universe tho?

and which xmen would you think is best to defeat him?

[spice spire]

By being homophobic?

[marble hemlock]

ye but... many people are, what would his power be to elevate him to a super villain

[spice spire]

By electro shocking kids?

[marble hemlock]

[spice spire]

I know you’re old but catch up old man

[spice spire]

Whoever the ice x man is innit

[runic hinge]

I mean the lore is already written tbh

[marble hemlock]

i think his name is literally iceman

[desert inlet]

I googled "ice x man"

his name is Iceman

lmao

[marble hemlock]

and hed just freeze him?

[spice spire]

Creative shit

Holy fuck

[marble hemlock]

what do you reckon the name of the fire guy is?