#assassination

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slim hamlet
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something to make it even close to playable like they did with outlaw (in m+ idek whats going on in raid right now)

torn atlas
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Not sure slowing our bleeds will fix anything

sudden canyon
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good to see the cope is still going strong.

burnt juniper
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sub rogue coming in here to say stay strong sin rogues, rework coming soon (?) maybe

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blizz can't forget about a spec forever

gusty mirage
burnt juniper
gusty mirage
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I'd be fine if it's just super cracked in raid

burnt juniper
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honestly deserved if it happens

gusty mirage
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but I don't mind playing sub either

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so I'm just vibing until 10.2

slim hamlet
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Nah they will nerf it based of first week logs again

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dont worry

burnt juniper
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i'm just lucky sub is my main spec

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if sin was my main spec i'd be fuming

slim hamlet
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sub is fine in m+ but god am i not playing that spec st

gusty mirage
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I mean no matter how bad it is now

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it's not 9.0 bad

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that was truly the worst of times

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lol

frigid kestrel
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If they never nerfed us, where would we stand now?

gusty mirage
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it did literal tank damage

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9.0 was dark dark times for rogue

slim hamlet
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probably still dog in m+ tbh

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I healed in 9.0

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easy

gusty mirage
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I played outlaw rogue

slim hamlet
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Damn

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are you ok?

gusty mirage
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no

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I parsed a 99 on heroic sludge

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and I was 7th on the meters

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LOL

slim hamlet
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one patch of outlaw does things to a man

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that can never be undone

gusty mirage
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MA + Killing Spree was sick tho

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in m+

slim hamlet
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huh

gusty mirage
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pop blade flurry, vanish into killing spree

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SHEEEEEEEEEESH

slim hamlet
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isnt MA the crit bonus off of stealth

gusty mirage
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ya

slim hamlet
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oh

burnt juniper
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after i mained outlaw for a few seasons i literally developed this weird tic where if i wasn't pressing a button during a global i would press my character sheet

slim hamlet
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I think killing spree is cool af

gusty mirage
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rip OG KS

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when it actually killed things

burnt juniper
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because my fingers need to always be pressing something after playing outlaw

gusty mirage
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now it only kills you

slim hamlet
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i spam alt from left to right then right to left

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when i dont do anything

burnt juniper
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someone watched me streaming a key recently and asked "why the fuck do you keep bringing up your character profile, is that a bug?!"

slim hamlet
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actual ocd from playing this game

burnt juniper
gusty mirage
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you ever think of the weird habits we picked up playing this game

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kinda wild

slim hamlet
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I started this while healing rsham tbh

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just the game

gusty mirage
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like any game with stealth

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I like auto pilot to wow rogue

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doesn't work as well in assassin's creed in case anyone's wondering

slim hamlet
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Yea

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I fucking love games where u can strategize with stealth

burnt juniper
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well we'll all play the class with stealth in wow 2

slim hamlet
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Like Sekiro and ghostlands

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or what its called

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tom clancy shit

gusty mirage
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low key I'm probably done with the game before wow 2 ever becomes a thing

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I'm getting old

slim hamlet
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I started my fire mage this monday

gusty mirage
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yeah I was having a blast on fire mage

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and I was terrible at it

slim hamlet
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best thing is having stealth for world combat bug

gusty mirage
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time to throw it back on the shelf

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OP damage can't compensate for me being bad at it anymore

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unlucky

slim hamlet
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idk

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I have 430 gear and no 4 set and almost do same dmg as my fully geared sin in m+

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and I keep munching hot streaks still

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its rough

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But god I hate being ranged, can't see any casts in big pulls unless I look at the sky

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sub running out in a week, probably just gonna wait for 10.2 tbh since I cba raiding when I came back this late anyway

gusty mirage
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yea assassination is kaka poo poo in m+ tho

royal lantern
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you will do good enough oxi omegalul

gusty mirage
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spoken like someone who hasn't seen me play a caster before

true basalt
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So i've just seen this on wowhead, are they really ignoring assa rogue???

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spice spire
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Yes

gusty mirage
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considering the guy in charge of the rogue rework has been in assassination repeatedly over the last month, I'd hardly say they're "ignoring assa rogue???"

slim hamlet
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It's in the slow cooker rather than the air fryer

cerulean nest
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god I need an air fryer

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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Yea tbh air fryer is bis

gusty mirage
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nah

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YOU'RE BIS

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😠

runic hinge
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Being zen and realizing 10.2 is the promised land and better than aura buffs is bis

slim hamlet
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Idk what this means

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But thanks Surebud

gusty mirage
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its okay neither do I

frosty cedar
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real

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he is speaking the language of the poison

gusty mirage
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and people still don't trust

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smh my head

spice spire
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He’s baiting so hard too

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That’s the best part, it’s so funny

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Who cares if we’re left out of a tuning patch when the tier is close to over

gusty mirage
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close to?

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dog its been over for almost 2 months now

spice spire
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Yeah well I’m dog shit so?

gusty mirage
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wtf don't make fun of my friend

spice spire
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I haven’t been able to tolerate light, god is clowning me today, I’m just joining him

slim hamlet
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Idk if it's because it's 5 AM and nothing makes sense

gusty mirage
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that's the thing

slim hamlet
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Or nothing you guys just said made sense

gusty mirage
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nothing ever made sense

slim hamlet
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Or if it's just sin rogue channel

runic hinge
gaunt moat
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I just want sin the be OP and the best spec in the game.
IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK??

gilded oasis
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I found outlaw brew

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worn panther
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Mostly sub, but Sin has had it's moments too

gaunt moat
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That's because we don't realize that we have the power IN OUR HANDS.
All sin rogues should just go on a strike!!
Once all 83 of us stop playing, THEY'LL HAVE to buff us.

glad vapor
marble hemlock
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pretty clear resutls imo

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NA is the sin

cobalt hemlock
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the class lead really gotta be cooking something good when they buff outlaw but nothing for us

cobalt hemlock
quiet oar
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Idk if These sort of buffs are from realz

keen spruce
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last i checked next week isn't 10.2

cobalt hemlock
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dont have to be from realz but come on you dont have to major in statistics to see noone plays assa and its dead last in m+

keen spruce
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yeah and a 5% aura buff wouldn't change that at all

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this is just a tuning pass

oak tangle
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it's because without a rework you can't make assa good in aoe and not broken in ST

keen spruce
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like idk what yall are expecting on these mid-release patches

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especially knowing that our rework is in 10.2

oak tangle
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i just want to still be able to spin plates

keen spruce
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OL just had changes with ghostly strike and other shit that hit their overall

oak tangle
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otherwise i'll go into a rework with open mind

keen spruce
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so they tune them back up

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m+ assas has it's engine in pieces on the floor and oil leaking out of the exhaust pipe. tune up isn't gonna fix that

balmy condor
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I threw that bucket onto the fire and man let me tell you

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I turned around and went back home

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Job done

spice surge
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Atleast it wasnt a bucket with gasoline in it, that would be more spicy

keen spruce
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outlaw came in for an oil change and assas players with two broken legs in the lobby are complaining that they didn't get their oil changed at the same time

vestal wren
gray hazel
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Have there been an leaks on the upcoming assassination rogue rework changes?

vestal wren
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no leaks

spice surge
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Ptr should be up in like a month, maybe less

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So shouldnt be too long

quick idol
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Hello guys !
Two days ago I was on Zerocool stream and someone in the chat said that the Assas discord was in touch with our new dev (rip Realz I heard that in the DH discord) about the talent rework coming in 10.2.
First, is it true ? If so, where all the discussions about that are going ?

vestal wren
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rip Realz I heard that the DH discord
I am not sure what you talk about

balmy condor
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Realz shows up here from time to time

quick idol
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Isn’t realz no longer a dev ?

balmy condor
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Realz is still the dev

quick idol
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Waow

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I don’t know where I read that then

keen spruce
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common dh propaganda

quick idol
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😰

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Dh are so made right now

balmy condor
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Dh discord had some pretty deranged lunatics a while ago

quick idol
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Maybe that why someone said that and I took that for gospel

balmy condor
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They’ve had to clean up quite a bit

quick idol
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Anyway

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Is there any discussions with realz ?

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Where are they going to about assas ?

balmy condor
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When he shows up here and talks, there’s a discussion

vestal wren
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you can use the search function to see what was discussed

balmy condor
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What’s going to happen with assa is 10.2 talent changes just like blizzard announced

quick idol
balmy condor
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Gotta wait till 10.2 ptr to find out

quick idol
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I just hope they will remove our 3 points talents

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This sucks so hard

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And make them 2 or 1

vestal wren
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two changes that seem fairly certain:

  • initial gate from trees will move from 3 -> 4th row
  • low impact/passive dps nodes from general tree will get removed/replaced
  • assassination likely loses the 3 point nodes
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everything else is up in the stars, as whispyr mentioned we will see more once 10.2 ptr comes out

quick idol
vestal wren
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every other spec has the first gate on row 4, so it is likely that this change will come to rogue too

keen spruce
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I hope they redo the entire right side of the class tree Studygers

quick idol
night delta
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Correct

vestal wren
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yes

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its a gate

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because you can't pass unless you fulfill the conditions to unlock

quick idol
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Never seen it this way but it does work too

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Yep indeed

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To me it was more like a « threshold »

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Well I’ll do some lecture looking for Realz messages and where all the discussions are going !
Ty for answers 🙂

vapid sierra
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RIP 3 point zoldyck

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Only 3 pointer I liked

vestal wren
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to be fair, assassination is likely to get the biggest change

vapid sierra
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For sure

vestal wren
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because its currently the worse performing spec, even tho okay-ish in raid

vapid sierra
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Bad aoe, 3 pointers, kb needs buff

vestal wren
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and the new talent and change to KB position made build diversity fairly low

vapid sierra
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I mean why okayish in raid? They bring similar st as sub. Is it just because the damage profile is burst

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And there’s no need for it?

vestal wren
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neither of the rogue specs rly have "burst" damage

quick idol
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Wait they remove 3 pointers or they just make them 1/2 points ?

balmy condor
balmy condor
vapid sierra
vapid sierra
balmy condor
gloomy dust
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It's the 2 garrotes you get out of sepsis

vapid sierra
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I thought the shiv boom was pretty decent damage and the garrotes were important

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Is it just the garrotes?

gloomy dust
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Boom a bit, improved garrote uptime is why it's taken

vapid sierra
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Ah gotcha

balmy condor
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Sepsis itself does the damage of like

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3 envenoms

vapid sierra
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Oh so not that deep

balmy condor
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Maybe a bit more

vapid sierra
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Like the boom?

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Or the boom+ tick

balmy condor
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The whole thing

keen spruce
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the boom is like

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an envenom crit

balmy condor
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Ye

vestal wren
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peepostudy buff sepsis

keen spruce
balmy condor
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And thats with a higher than average crit chance too

keen spruce
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yeah that's big high rolling

static glacier
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So uh, where are the sin buffs

keen spruce
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or so

vapid sierra
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So the buffs are going live Tuesday right?

keen spruce
vapid sierra
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I’m going. Back to outlaw kekdog

static glacier
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Cya

keen spruce
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this is assas

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balmy condor
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Why’s everyone so hung up on end of tier aura buffs

keen spruce
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this is a burst class

balmy condor
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Like it matters at all

vapid sierra
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I was told to play sub over sin because “it does best in windfury ” which is just stupid it’s only like 300dps behind

static glacier
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Sin is bursty only when compared to specs that don’t do anything with haste (other rogues) 😭

spice surge
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Its all just m+ buffs, and assa is the raid spec not the m+ spec kekw

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Haste is not the reason rogues dont burst

static glacier
balmy condor
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Or windfury

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Probably windfury

vapid sierra
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My rl OMEGAKEKW

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I gotta find a new guild

static glacier
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Sub does best In general, it’s not dependant on wf

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Xd

vapid sierra
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Gotta build a report of logs tho before I do

balmy condor
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Being unable to read a bar chart isn’t a lack of spec knowledge

vapid sierra
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It’s 600 dps

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It’s stupid

keen spruce
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that's like..

vapid sierra
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My whole profile is mastery, sin probably sims better

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It’s overall maybe a 1% difference

keen spruce
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bruh the variance with the current trinkets and enchants

spice surge
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Playing sub without windfury on singletarget ends up being kinda sad

keen spruce
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600 might as well be 0

spice surge
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Not damage wise, but you just end up with a lot more dead globals

vapid sierra
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^

quiet oar
spice surge
vestal wren
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you sure enh exist

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i only ever hear about them in tales

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mysterious creatures, remind me of unicorns

keen spruce
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i jsut realized we're giving wft to a surv hunter

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and it's the right choice with our raid comp

vapid sierra
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Only like 13 have killed sark

quiet oar
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Kek

keen spruce
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also the aug log fixes certainly did not include surv hunter

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cuz his logs are getting absolutely BBQd with an aug in the group

static glacier
keen spruce
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vdh and prot pala

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and the 3 melee not in wft are ret, ww, uh

static glacier
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Wild, you’ve crafted a comp where sv gets wft

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
balmy condor
slim hamlet
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doing 70% of other specs is not fun

balmy condor
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70% OmegaLUL

slim hamlet
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yea mb

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50%

balmy condor
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you're delusional

slim hamlet
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definitely not doing 800k in aoe m+ right now

balmy condor
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so you think aura buffs are going to fix that

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or what

slim hamlet
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no

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definitely not

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But would be nice to make it more playable since theyre doing that for other specs

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I dont understand the decision thats all, but on the waiting train for 10.2

balmy condor
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but you just said they're not going to fix that

slim hamlet
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I mean

balmy condor
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so you'd still be upset

slim hamlet
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if i deal 10% more dmg i deal 10% more dmg

thorny aurora
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having more damage is nice but fixing core problems is nicer

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better they take their time adressing the latter rather than applying lazy aura buffs

slim hamlet
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Yea

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But it takes 5.5 minutes to do what they did to outlaw

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I agreed with that before they touched outlaw, this just shows they're not "just waiting until 10.2 to touch rogue"

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I understand not a lot care since "the season is over" but I just came back and would love a bandaid even if its a bandaid

keen spruce
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outlaw got nerfed with ghostly strike adjustments

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so they got tuned back up

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tuning is tuning

slim hamlet
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Sin got nerfed first week s1

quiet oar
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And most people dont play KirR

keen spruce
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reworks are reworks

quiet oar
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Outlaw got nerfed 5 straight weeks s1

slim hamlet
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and they still were better yea

quiet oar
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Not in ST

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It was just that the Raid favored Multitarget

slim hamlet
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They legit had better dmg on terrok than sin

quiet oar
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No

slim hamlet
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yea

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Let me see, they were at some point 100% because we were talking about it in here

quiet oar
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10.0 patch

slim hamlet
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wait wtf is 10.0.7

quiet oar
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Sin was the ST Spec

slim hamlet
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is that the ring patch

quiet oar
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Yes

slim hamlet
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Well

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They definitely were better on terrok at one point

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I remember we tried to understand wtf was going on

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if it was just a lot of lucky rolls or what

quiet oar
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Maybe in the first 2 weeks

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Where Outlaw wasnt gutted

slim hamlet
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it was right after my guild killed terrok so like a month in I would guess

quiet oar
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Grieftorch is also a thing

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If you get a lot of resets

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with BTE

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you had many crits

slim hamlet
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yea also one of the things we talked about

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but outlaw even being close to sin st is still

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yea

quiet oar
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And you can play Assa in Raid now

slim hamlet
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Also why are we talking about this?

quiet oar
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Nobody gets hurt if you play Assa

slim hamlet
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Yea i heard sin is pretty nice for last boss

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I would like to play it m+ tho

toxic night
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assa pumps in m+ big pulls (high keys) even better than sub

slim hamlet
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oof sin in general not looking to hot on last boss i see

toxic night
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but sadly it lacks a lot of single target

slim hamlet
gusty breach
slim hamlet
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Agreed

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Good thing I never apply to keys

quiet oar
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Yeah we dont talk about keys

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Or i wasnt

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I was talking about raid

hot chasm
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Even zerocool capped his sin rogue at 3241

slim hamlet
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Yea it's ok in raid and dogshit in m+

quiet oar
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And you can play every spec in raid

slim hamlet
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i dont see that being a thing

quiet oar
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Yeah M+ is definitely bad

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But when was Assa good in M+ the last time

slim hamlet
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No idea

keen spruce
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there is no tuning that would even begin to fix the fundamental issues with assas in m+

slim hamlet
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havent played rogue while it has been even decent

quiet oar
slim hamlet
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apparently one bfa patch was good

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Listen

keen spruce
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uh echoing blades was dope

slim hamlet
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This is always the thing

keen spruce
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but i don't think that it was better than outlaw

toxic night
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i think since its inception the spec has never been close to S tier in mythic+ correct me if im wrong

keen spruce
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in bfa

slim hamlet
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"the fundamental issues" yea bro I know, doesnt mean they cant buff dmg by 10% and make it playable until then

gusty breach
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i member the golden days of playing sin in m+ in legion, 0 issues ever getting into keys

slim hamlet
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I don't understand that opinion to just forget it until rework

gusty breach
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or maybe its nostalgia

slim hamlet
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Or well I did until they buffed outlaw, since before that it was just a general rogue thing

slim hamlet
keen spruce
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i mean a 10% aura buff to assas would be wild

slim hamlet
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Yea I just threw a number out my ass

gusty breach
slim hamlet
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u get the point

keen spruce
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i mean if there were m+ templates

toxic night
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imo sometimes the devs ignore struggling specs for way too long

hot chasm
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Season 1 highest sin rouge was number 8 in m+

keen spruce
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sure that'd be cool

toxic night
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i mean they didnt even bother fixing assa 2P bug in pvp and the season is close to ending

slim hamlet
sweet dawn
slim hamlet
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Sin and ele shaman seems to be the roughest for balancing

hot chasm
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The gap between sin and sub is way bigger in season 2

slim hamlet
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Hunter probably also there somewhere

hot chasm
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like 200 rio bigger

slim hamlet
gusty breach
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i dunno if 10% mattes for the plebs(like me), pretty much balance was never my issue, its the perception

slim hamlet
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like not 1 single

gusty breach
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which you cant fix

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so sadge

slim hamlet
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Yea I mean, it's not like sin is usless, the keys I have done (21-22ish) this season was not bad at all. But I don't even want to push higher knowing I will hit a wall

gusty breach
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cant get a group going cuz raiding 4 days a week, so the little time i have left outside of family and work makes every hour wasted applying for keys that much more annyoing

slim hamlet
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4 day raiding this late in patch

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holy

toxic night
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wish they moved kingsbane up in the tree ( competing with exsanguinate?) i swear it would make assa solid in mythic +

keen spruce
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i mean like IC is a capstone for us while psychic link is like on what the 3rd row for spriest?

hot chasm
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Many dungeons require on demand dmg that sin cant deliver on

keen spruce
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and they give up basically nothing to take it

toxic night
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so you dont lose a lot of ST

gusty mirage
gusty breach
hot chasm
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Like end boss VP, totem in bracken etc

slim hamlet
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IC should be capstone if it still excists tbh

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I think CT is our Psychic link

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more than IC is

keen spruce
gusty mirage
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I’ll rephrase my mouth on your mouth, how about that?

slim hamlet
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Too zoomer to know what echoing blades is

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sadge

gusty mirage
keen spruce
gusty breach
quiet oar
hot chasm
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Make poison vial castable imo 🔥

quiet oar
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it wont fix things

keen spruce
slim hamlet
quiet oar
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You just do more dmg and still gett declined in keys

toxic night
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idk why somepeople enjoy having to spread rupture and garrote target by target

slim hamlet
toxic night
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by the time ure done the pack is already dead

slim hamlet
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unless u think psychic link is an aoe CD

gusty breach
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how does shadowpriest have an aoe dot abilitty on 20sec cd

slim hamlet
gusty breach
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while we get it as 45?

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an capstone

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and*

hot chasm
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Blizzard logic

slim hamlet
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I like IC, and spreading to last targets in big pull, and then maintaining when CT runs out

toxic night
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yea 45 is waytoo long

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30 sec would be solid AF

slim hamlet
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But doing 2k dmg for 10 seconds is not fun, so IC it is

toxic night
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poison bomb is satisfying AF in aoe tho

slim hamlet
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IC not CT in my last messages starege

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
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I love this discussion about IC, because when it get reduced to 45s we also had people complaining that it ruined the fun of assassination in aoe because it took out the “skill expression of multidotting”

slim hamlet
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But using ST spell hoping for a proc to do any aoe is rough

gusty mirage
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Goes to show you can’t make everyone happy

hot chasm
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Make Poison bomb castable with low CD like concencration

slim hamlet
hot chasm
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also make bigger circle

slim hamlet
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idk

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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they'll cook

gusty mirage
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Genuinely curious

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Would it be a CP consuming finisher?

hot chasm
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More consistan, can make sure you get more of the packs

slim hamlet
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it does concencration

gusty mirage
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So you want a ground area of effect finisher for assassination?

slim hamlet
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More reasons to yell at tank not to move

toxic night
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manually multidotting is so outdated as a design

hot chasm
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you can throw it down kinda like DK death and decay circle

slim hamlet
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I like multidotting, if it didn't stop me from doing a single pinch of dmg in the first 10 secs of the fight

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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Dear god that sounds miserable

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You ever watch a tank kite out of dnd?

gray crest
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Sounds like a worse flame patch imo

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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Like they absolutely hate everything about it

#

mages yelling at tanks to not move out of flame patch too

hot chasm
#

isnt that cause they themselves have to stand in it?

slim hamlet
#

Ground effects are a mess

oak tangle
slim hamlet
gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

Would probably be cool and all until you actually need to do keys with it

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
#

Just sit there in sadness watching the meteor hit 20 yards behind the mobs because the tank decided to move for no reason

slim hamlet
#

100

hot chasm
#

Instead of ground effect it could apply yet another DoT but wont require combo points like CT

keen spruce
#

i mean i also liked multi dotting but i don't see a world where that's ever viable in the current design of the game

slim hamlet
#

The bear druids just moving because they have nothing more interesting to do on that spec

#

rough

gray crest
#

having two of the same spell is bad game design

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

I guess

keen spruce
slim hamlet
#

To give multi dotting, but not stall your dmg

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

duck emote slowly becoming my favourite emote

toxic night
balmy condor
#

hates multidotting, enjoys sin

slim hamlet
#

Then you gonna have to like multi dotting

balmy condor
#

weirds

keen spruce
#

i mean if we lose our 3 point nodes, maybe there's a world where we don't lose like 10% of our ST in an m+ build

toxic night
#

i said i hate manually multidotting ?

keen spruce
#

then we just gotta solve the totem problem

slim hamlet
#

Or hope they make ic 10 sec cd

keen spruce
slim hamlet
toxic night
#

i enjoy the IC playstyle

hot chasm
#

wonder how big the rework will be (if it happens that is)

slim hamlet
royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

Imma need confirmation on that one tho

toxic night
#

bro its a struggle by the time im done multidotting the pack is dead

#

wheres the fun in that ?

royal lantern
#

THATS WHAT MULTIDOTTING IS OMEGAKEKW

slim hamlet
#

Just use IC

balmy condor
#

I love dots, I just don't like casting them, and I want them to hit all the mobs at once and honestly the duration sucks too

#

what if there was just a button right

#

that I could hit at all times

#

that did instant damage

#

to everything hit

hot chasm
#

I wouldn't mind increased duration on the dots

balmy condor
#

that would be really nice

slim hamlet
#

I mean I like multidotting as long as it doesn't fully stop my dmg for so long without compensating with much more dmg when it finally gets going

hot chasm
#

or no CD on garrote

slim hamlet
#

So they added IC instead

#

And now u do nothing without IC

keen spruce
#

well see

#

there was a time when our dots did damage

#

so multi dotting didn't full stop your damage

slim hamlet
#

Like subs rupture?

royal lantern
quiet oar
royal lantern
slim hamlet
#

Honestly wild how payphone they made spriest

#

Used to be cool kids only

gusty mirage
keen spruce
slim hamlet
#

They're trying their best oxi

keen spruce
#

so they reworked it 700 times

hot chasm
#

Give us twisting blades PepeFull

quiet oar
#

Im Sure

slim hamlet
#

Yea I mean it kinda sucked but was so cool

#

now its legit the outlaw of ranged

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

ST rotation = AOE rotation

gusty mirage
#

Blizzard Buffs and reworks spriest -> spriest is bonkers -> nerfs spriest -> reworks them again -> spends 1-2 patches nerfing them from the moon back down to earth

#

Rinse and repeat every expac

hot chasm
#

The Overwatch Mercy treatment

slim hamlet
#

The good part is them not realising that its not actually their dmg that make them mandatory

#

but that they made dungeons that looks like they're designed for spriest for this season

#

making mind soothe and MD almost mandatory if u doing high keys

keen spruce
#

not almost

slim hamlet
#

So now they just gotta be shit in raid

#

(I have no idea if they will be but they got nerfed because of m+ surely)

keen spruce
#

idk why blizzard has such an hard on for PI

#

no one likes pi

gusty mirage
#

Because fuck you that’s why

slim hamlet
#

They really seem to like the whole buffing each other

keen spruce
#

priests hate getting bothered about giving out pi

#

pi targets hate pi cuz they're doghsit when they don't get pi

slim hamlet
#

PI, aug, blessings for pala and even fire mage has aoe crit buff now

quiet oar
keen spruce
#

non-pi targets hate pi cuz they don't get pi

gusty mirage
spice surge
#

Fire has had their group crit buff for a long time

gusty mirage
#

Uhdk is still the best melee without a doubt, PI or not

slim hamlet
#

The bad part right now is being any spec that wants to push high keys, so you obviously take aug and spriest, but then you're just a dogshit PI target and there are no other targets

#

so like

spice surge
#

Frost is kinda banging too

slim hamlet
#

I guess ill take this 1% dmg increase

gusty mirage
#

Forget about them

slim hamlet
#

Yea frost is like 14% dmg increase with PI in aoe right?

#

Like giga insane

#

Or u talking mage

#

nvm

gusty mirage
#

Wild frost isn’t more popular given how fun it is to play compared to UH

hot chasm
#

What happened to Unholy DK's blowin up packs with PI

gusty mirage
#

Fire mage exists

keen spruce
#

well i can't check anymore cuz when i filter out PI it's all just aug evokers now

slim hamlet
#

Yea I saw Dorki, max, jb and some other doing the whole "you have 15 dollars pick specs" thing yesterday

#

with frost dk being 1 dollar and no one picking it

#

enhance 2 too

gusty mirage
#

And DK has to be pulled around in m+

slim hamlet
#

insane

hot chasm
#

They blow it more upperer?

slim hamlet
#

They picked uhdk at 2 dollars over fdk at 1 i dont see that ever making sense

gusty mirage
#

It’s restrictive to how you play the dungeon vs devoker or mage

slim hamlet
#

Death and decay just sucks giga

#

cant even see it

#

2000 flame strikes in your face

gusty mirage
#

Because deaths dew(due?) in SL made everything impossible to see

slim hamlet
#

no idea what that is

gusty mirage
#

Just blue cummies all over the ground covering ground effects

slim hamlet
#

oh

gusty mirage
#

It was the night fae thing

slim hamlet
#

that

gusty mirage
#

That turned dnd blue

slim hamlet
#

yea

#

looked cool

#

So what we got from this is that there are a whole lotta shitters for m+

#

holy

gusty mirage
#

Speaking of ground effects I loved getting hit with a swirlie on sark because darkness covered it

#

It’s so cool

slim hamlet
#

skill issue truly

hot chasm
#

what sarc feels like

slim hamlet
#

I watched a guide 2 times, a gameplay of it 1 time and played it heroic 2 times and still dont know when I am supposed to go out of the down under thing

#

Idk if I am the dumbest player alive or if its just confusing

hot chasm
#

that gif was too annoying

gusty mirage
#

You need to pick up 3 cum puddles

slim hamlet
#

yea i know

#

but i havent been asked to get a wa that tells me when to go up

#

so i just do it randomly after a bit and hope im good

#

have been so far

hot chasm
#

First time tank usually counts down

#

rest idk

gusty mirage
#

Oh it’s when the meteors hit upstairs

slim hamlet
#

yea see

gusty mirage
#

So you only spawn 1

slim hamlet
#

i didnt even know that was a thing

vapid sierra
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
#

tbf I didn't really do a good job at following guides and so on because I wont be mythic raiding anyways

#

just got carried in heroic

quiet oar
keen spruce
#

heroic you're forced to go down once after p1 then you don't need to go down unless you pick up a bomb

gusty mirage
keen spruce
#

turns out it was a feast

quiet oar
#

KEK

keen spruce
gusty mirage
quiet oar
#

You cant See puddle under it

gusty mirage
#

Of course you can’t why would you want to do that

#

Just use your psychic powers to predict where the swirlies are

quiet oar
#

True

gusty mirage
quiet oar
#

And its Not even done by seeing swirlies

#

You have to know if they accurate

#

Or smaller or bigger

keen spruce
#

remember when you used to be able to turn your graphics down far enough that boss mechanic spell effects wouldn't show up

gusty mirage
gaunt moat
#

Finally 🥲

image.png
keen spruce
gaunt moat
#

It's really easy, it's just that some things were not clear. like how "throwing" the artifacts at the end actually works. so it messed us up last week.

vestal wren
gaunt moat
#

So if you wanna try it, my tip: at the end, you don't have to press anything. just stand near a portal and your artifact will dissapear.

royal lantern
#

im doing the dungeon 1more time for the last mount skin, and thats it

#

wont enter that shit place ever again

#

until blizz is forcing us next season, and its gonna be near unplayable for ~1month 🙂

keen spruce
#

very annoying

burnt latch
royal lantern
#

worse then streets imo

#

like

#

the dungeon is no fun on the 2nd run allready

#

every single fight is just shit lol

burnt latch
#

I dont think so tbh I quite like most of the boss fights

#

A few stinkers but most are decently fun

royal lantern
#

actuually impressive to make a dungeon with 0 redeeming qualitys tbh

clever sapphire
slim hamlet
#

I love dawn and tazavesh

#

only shit part of dawn is morchie in pugs

#

but theres soo much fucking trash

#

actual 50 minute timers in next season for m+

stiff knot
#

Lol @ all these takes about how we shouldn't have a tuning pass mid to late tier because we have a rework coming at some point in the future

white pumice
#

Do i use Deathmark before i apply my Garrote and Rupture or after?

spice spire
spice spire
burnt latch
#

Im predicting rogur rework in 10.3

spice spire
royal lantern
spice spire
#

Iykyk

burnt latch
spice spire
keen spruce
pulsar dirge
#

The reason why we didn't have a tuning yet again , I figured it out . Assassination rogue doesn't .. exist . We have collectively dreamed our favourite spec but it hasn't manifested into reality yet. Rogue with bleeds and poisons? Doesn't it seem fake ?

gusty mirage
#

lmao @ people crying because outlaw got an aura buff and assassination didn't

#

imagine thinking a 5% aura buff would've made assassination suddenly viable

burnt latch
#

lmao @ people saying penguins arent basically seals that fly

gusty mirage
#

penguins can't fly

burnt latch
slim hamlet
spice surge
#

Only once though

slim hamlet
#

wait

#

you guys cant fly?

storm belfry
vapid sierra
#

is raidbots broken for anyone

vestal wren
#

works fine for me

gusty mirage
#

don't come crawling back in here after you abandoned us for the pirates

vapid sierra
#

oxi no

#

its not like that

gusty mirage
#

TAR AND FEATHER HIM BOYS

slim hamlet
vapid sierra
#

i see how it is

quiet oar
storm belfry
gusty mirage
#

tar and feather tiramil too

vapid sierra
quiet oar
#

What did i do

gusty mirage
#

guilty by association

quiet oar
#

What

vapid sierra
#

tiramil is my accomplice

quiet oar
#

I was Proving your point

#

Wdym

vapid sierra
#

wait oxi

gusty mirage
copper hazel
gusty mirage
#

you guys dragged kiwi in a spec channel

#

it's over now

quiet oar
#

Oxi on crusade duty

storm belfry
vapid sierra
#

didnt you tell me

#

to stop playing sin?

storm belfry
#

omw @gusty mirage

vapid sierra
quiet oar
#

Oh oh

storm belfry
gusty mirage
#

yeah because you wanted your spot in wft

quiet oar
#

Thats a ban

vapid sierra
quiet oar
#

You cant emberass oxi like that

gusty mirage
#

this u?

#

like

#

3 messages before that?

vapid sierra
#

yes

gusty mirage
#

weird how you left out context

vapid sierra
#

you didnt defend sin

gusty mirage
#

why would I

#

it's worse than sub

quiet oar
gusty mirage
#

what's there to defend

quiet oar
#

But you defends it atm with burning vex and me

gusty mirage
#

do I?

#

he woke up, saw the outlaw buffs

#

and typed like 80 messages in outlaw

#

then comes back in here

#

after

quiet oar
#

True

vapid sierra
#

all i asked was how the buffs affect windfury

gusty mirage
#

YOU involved yourself in a situation that had nothing to do with you

#

mr. germany

lethal heart
#

@marble hemlock dota zwei

vapid sierra
#

and im always in outlaw chat regardless of buffs PirateHeart

gusty mirage
#

now sebe got lost

#

see what you did

quiet oar
lethal heart
#

what did i do

vapid sierra
#

thats what you did

quiet oar
#

Im on your side

#

Not his

gusty mirage
#

hi sebe

#

what are we playing in 3.22

lethal heart
#

im gonna be assa main

#

after rework

#

surely

#

s h i r l e y

vapid sierra
#

i gotta make 3 rogues for each spec

#

big brain move 🧠

quiet oar
#

Nah

#

Not really

vapid sierra
#

that would be such a waste of time

#

i can barely level a class without wanting oxi to burn me

gusty mirage
#

best way to learn

lethal heart
#

i mean only change id love for outlaw is

#

give outlaw wits

#

from bfa

#

and outlaw is top tier aoe spec

#

and fun to play and shit

#

but thats not happening ever i assume

#

sadly

vapid sierra
lethal heart
#

ye

#

means you had fairly reliable chance of proccing the uhmn

#

opportunity strikes

#

or w/e its called man

#

thats like snc buff baseline built in for aoe

#

very good

#

and very needed for thee spec for aoe imo

vapid sierra
#

i mean outlaw doesnt struggle with procs now

gusty mirage
#

rip opportunity strikes though smadge

vapid sierra
#

we rarely press ss

gusty mirage
vapid sierra
#

im gonna be sad when they remove exsang in rework and cope like you guys do a few years down the line PlatypusCosplayingAsBeaver

lethal heart
#

that azerite trait was sole reason we had outlaw play in bfa

#

if that trait doesnt exist outlaw in bfa never happens

#

but yea you dont play ss because you do the audacity loop thingie still

#

dont you

#

i liked early on outlaw this expansion the kir version

vapid sierra
#

kir is techincally better now

lethal heart
#

you dont press ss*

vapid sierra
#

and kir doesnt use audacity for procs

lethal heart
#

ah i see

vapid sierra
#

it only uses it for find weakness

lethal heart
#

i might give it a go for outlaw a bit

quiet oar
#

Can we burn vex now?

lethal heart
#

for some meme bosses on reclear

vapid sierra
#

so you press ss a bit more for kir than ho

lethal heart
#

but i dont even have 2nd offhand from underrot kekdog

vapid sierra
#

kir is like 5/6 % ahead but mostr people still play ho for some reason

vapid sierra
#

lets put him on a stake

lethal heart
#

maybe lower variance?

vapid sierra
#

or whatever they're claled

lethal heart
#

i dont know outlaw nowadays

vapid sierra
lethal heart
#

that kir has maybe higher variance and htats reason why people prefer other build?

#

but im just talking random shit taht would make sense to me not like i did research because i havent touched outlaw properly since kurog progression Okay

quiet oar
#

Kir has ok-ish variance

#

Iirc

#

But not significantly more than ho

vapid sierra
#

and most people jsut find ho funner

#

since two procs

lethal heart
#

thank god im lw myself

#

so i can recraft most of the gear should i need to

#

whenever i feel like it

quiet oar
#

Its a blessing to craft your own stuff

lethal heart
#

im alchemy too but i rly want helmet

#

i might drop

quiet oar
#

I wont Do that

lethal heart
#

my lw is basically maxed on all the leather stuff

#

so no shot im dropping that ever

#

0 knowledge into mail stuff tho ofc

quiet oar
#

I have maxed out alchemy

#

And bought the elemental Power recipe

lethal heart
#

oh ye i have that too

#

but you dont lose it

#

even if you drop

#

or do you

#

surely you dont lose it Clueless

quiet oar
#

I wont risk it

#

Idc about the helmet tbh

#

Probably 100-200 dps better than lw helmet?

lethal heart
#

its just convenient having item with 1 stat honestly

#

but ye miniscule difference

deft flicker
#

For Legion and onwards there are books you can buy to restore recipes

#

Either way I probably wouldn’t drop my current professions for a tiny dps gain

stiff knot
#

Lol making assassination viable at some point in the future and putting in small aura buffs that help a little bit in the present aren't mutually exclusive and I don't think some of you big brains understand that

#

You can have both and that's OK 👌

marble hemlock
#

assassination would need about a 60% aura buff to be viable in m+ i think

night delta
#

And problem is there is quite the overlap between damage sources in m+ and other content, so it'd make us way overtuned for basically anything else

#

I think the fundamental flaw is too much overlap between our aoe dmg sources and st damage sources

#

with our current playstyle, it almost guarantees one would be out of tune

stiff knot
#

What are we crushing right now? We're slightly above average on single target and that's about it.

night delta
#

yeah we're not crushing anything. But if we got aura'd to be half decent in AoE / M+, then we'd be crushing ST

#

Tbf, it isn't far from the tuning conundrum that was fire mage AoE ignite builds

#

how to balance AoE and ST when both are done with the exact same spells, more or less

stiff knot
#

Right but an additional 5% aura won't do that. It will help a little bit in addressing issues across PVE and PVP while we wait for the rework

spice spire
#

So how do we fix it daynoted

gusty mirage
#

I mean tossing bandaids on a flawed underlying system is how we ended up here in the first place

#

assassination needed about 60% in aura buffs total, 2 legendary reworks, and 2 covenant ability reworks to become playable in 9.0

#

while I don't disagree it would've been nice to get some sort of aura buff

#

in the grand scheme of things the aura buff doesn't really solve anything except make people feel a teeny bit better

#

all I know is the last couple of aura buffs assassination has gotten hasn't really been impactful in the least bit

#

like sure we're doing slightly more damage

#

but as long as we rely on the kit we're given, it won't ever feel impactful

spice spire
#

Aura buffed still bottom ICANT

gusty mirage
#

and ability buffs

#

and mastery fixed for sepsis

#

still doo doo

#

unlucky

spice spire
#

So yeah, we didn’t get an aura buff or any major thing.
Whoopty. It’s not gone so well for reasons above

#

Now we just believe in the sauce

gusty mirage
#

best we can do is hope that 10.2 revives assassination

#

because this spec needs a necromancer at thispoint

#

shit's been dead and buried since week 3 of 10.0

spice spire
#

Or we have another sub OTP :/

toxic night
#

even in pvp assa is average at best this season

#

got nerfed af

gusty mirage
#

yeah it aint great

#

we're actually dogshit at all content

#

old content

toxic night
#

because it dominated in S

gusty mirage
#

world content

spice spire
#

Sucks but like yeah

toxic night
#

s1

gusty mirage
#

pve

#

pvp

#

m+

#

raid

royal lantern
#

assa is the cutest spec

#

checkmate

balmy condor
#

The question is how do you just buff the spec without warping the spec or making it crazy in raids

gusty mirage
#

so idk if an aura buff does anything to fix our issues

balmy condor
#

And no one’s got any idea how to do that

#

Other than “me angy me want dam”

stiff knot
#

Lol no

gusty mirage
#

assassination heavily relies on stealth to do damage, you get access to that every 2 minutes

#

can't play dance because find weakness is useless

night delta
gusty mirage
#

and our imp garrote doesn't do enough damage to sacrifice anything in the class tree to take dance to begin with

night delta
#

let garrote be the kinda bridge

gusty mirage
#

our talent trees need a rework desperately, the class tree and the assassination tree are yikes

balmy condor
spice spire
gusty mirage
spice spire
#

Aight nvm I’m just goated

spice spire
gusty mirage
balmy condor
#

Bros been typing a long fucking time

spice spire
stiff knot
#

For starters, move IC way up in the tree and either reduce or remove the cooldown. If it makes us too powerful in AoE then put a % modifier (70%, whatever) on the replicated bleeds outside of your main target. You can also mess around by baking IC into a crimson tempest talent that does the same thing by replicating DoTs on X amount of targets at Y amount of damage. The biggest issue we have in AoE is a super janky damage profile on a 45 second cooldown required talent that's a capstone super deep into the tree

balmy condor
#

First 5 words already miles past a “Simple” buff

spice spire
#

So a rework hmm

stiff knot
#

Lol bro that's for the rework

balmy condor
#

why doesn’t assa ever get aura buffs man smh
it’s very easy just…recites moby dick

stiff knot
#

A simple buff would be an aura modifier for the short term

#

Again, you can have both

balmy condor
#

Yes

#

I’m asking how

balmy condor
#

This is the question

cerulean nest
#

I know the answer but I'm not telling

stiff knot
#

I'm literally answering you

balmy condor
#

You give assa 10% aura buff in raids and it’s too strong

stiff knot
#

5%

balmy condor
#

And what would that achieve

stiff knot
#

Lol 10% too strong but 5% achieves nothing?

balmy condor
#

10% is too strong for raids, but it’s not enough for m+

#

That’s what we’re talking about right

stiff knot
#

I'm not talking about 10%, I never recomended 10%

balmy condor
#

That’s my example

#

Try to keep up please

#

10% is too much in raids

#

Not enough in m+

#

So how do you do more in m+

#

And less in raid

toxic night
#

dont forget about pvp for the two people that are still playing pvp xd

stiff knot
#

No bro, you're just strawmanning. I agree that 10% would be too much in raids which is why I didn't recommend it

balmy condor
spice spire
#

That’s for notrickz gigachads

balmy condor
spice spire
#

We’re the beta pve gamers

stiff knot
#

4-5% right now helps without making us overpowered on single target. It also HELPS in mystic plus while we wait for the rework

gray crest
#

kinda hard to reduce the argument to a straw man fallacy when it is literally the problem at hand

balmy condor
#

4-5% doesn’t move the needle in m+ though

#

That’s the problem

toxic night
#

nah we need some help man in pvp highest first blood rate out of any class 😢

#

but i guess thats related to survivability

balmy condor
#

5% is more than 0% but it’s not actually going to do anything for assa players

#

Sub would still be better

#

Outlaw would still be better

#

Same with all the other specs

stiff knot
#

It still helps man I dont get what you are missing

balmy condor
#

How

#

How does it help

night delta
#

I've got a m+ buff right

balmy condor
#

When it doesn’t change how you play the game at all

stiff knot
#

Like if it doesn't make us better than outlaw or sub it's not worth doing at all?

balmy condor
#

Or how the community perceives you

night delta
#

Like, the only thing we use in multi and not ST, FoK

balmy condor
#

Just 5% more on your details meter?

#

A symbolic buff?

night delta
#

but ability buffing it so we keep up in m+ and suddenly it just does insane dmg

#

so still back at the start

proven jasper
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Buff shiv by 500% again OMEGAKEKW

spice spire
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Ttb playable