assassination

[slim hamlet]

just heal lol

[gusty mirage]

holy fuck that dungeon on tyran

was absolutely dogshit

[burnt latch]

Honestly havent bricked any other keys as much

[quiet oar]

The third boss scaled with forti

Or some abilities

[slim hamlet]

That just makes sense

[gusty mirage]

the aoe from the boss wouldn't scale with fort

[burnt latch]

Dot scaled forti blast scaled of tyra

[scarlet orbit]

wait what?

[gusty mirage]

yeah the dot came from the little fucker upstairs

[burnt latch]

So it would be pretty much impossible regardless of the week

[gusty mirage]

so it would scale with fortified

[burnt latch]

Just to make it fair

[gusty mirage]

so that boss was just terrible every week

very cool

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

reminds me of temple of sethralis in bfa

the fucking elemental boss

the pillars scaled with fort

[slim hamlet]

Better than 100% impossible every second week

surely

[gusty mirage]

so the dot would absolutely truck your ass

temple you'd play elusiveness

because cheat death was fucking useless

lmao

[slim hamlet]

Played DH in BFA

Just like heal or something

Had one time we were 2+ hours on last boss on a 17

then the maintenance happened

🙂

[gusty mirage]

my fav thing about temple

was when one of the eyes

would fall through the ground

so you just couldn't finish the dungeon

[slim hamlet]

eyes?

[gusty mirage]

to open the tunnel

to last boss

[slim hamlet]

I don't remember

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

oh

yea

[gusty mirage]

it wouldn't happen often

but every now and then

[slim hamlet]

never had that happen luckily

[gusty mirage]

you'd throw it

and it'd fall through the ground

and you just hearth out

[slim hamlet]

xd

Indie company, can't expect them to fix in 2 year expansion

[gusty mirage]

bricked a 19 in s3 that way

was very fun

[quiet oar]

That happened to us on last Boss hoi

[gusty mirage]

loved wasting 40 minutes of my life

[drifting cloud]

so many bad stories oxi could have avoided so many

by just not doing keys!!

[gusty mirage]

big true

[quiet oar]

I mean we died

And Boss resseted

But bricked the key

[gusty mirage]

my friends messaged me and asked if I'd like to help them push to 3k io @drifting cloud

I started laughing

[drifting cloud]

do they know youre a rogue

[gusty mirage]

yeah

one of them plays arms warrior

they don't care about meta

my recent keys btw

that 22 was advertised as a 17

I was fucking lied to

[drifting cloud]

just pug a 420 ilvl sp

[slim hamlet]

410 ilvl augvokers are BIS

[gusty mirage]

like why would I push IO

I'll never get close to the title

[slim hamlet]

The lower the ilvl on those fuckers the better they are

[drifting cloud]

thats alot of keys in july!

[gusty mirage]

because I'm not playing 18 hours a day so I'm a little bit higher on the r.io leaderboards

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

those were reclear weeks

I tried getting at least enough for a socket

[drifting cloud]

I did lfr for socket

[gusty mirage]

so I'd do 3 bosses on heroic

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

and 4 keys

when in reality

I should've done 5 bosses

and 1 key

[slim hamlet]

Only 434 ilvl 😦

[drifting cloud]

2healing sark today send your prayers

[burnt latch]

My m+ journey came to an abrupt end this season when I encountered a dragon

Was good fun for a week

[slim hamlet]

dragon?

am confusion

[spice spire]

He has betrayed us

[quiet oar]

Drag on

[slim hamlet]

aintnoway

i got bamboozled

[woeful meteor]

on sark

[rapid forum]

There is no way that's possible right ?

[royal lantern]

just get shitvokers

[drifting cloud]

should be

but definetly not easy

[quiet oar]

You got suckoned

[gusty mirage]

that's what peak depression looks like

[woeful meteor]

saw someone in a log play it, thought how anyone could think it's good, open logs 1 guy killed with IC it's Zero

[slim hamlet]

Zero always cooking random shit

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

classic

playing IC for INSANE 3k more dps then im doing

some random mediocre RH assa 1trick

[woeful meteor]

ye they loose 30k p1 gain 20k p2 and loose 15k in p3 again

Insane gain

[cobalt hemlock]

any parse fiends can tell me why i got 0 points for that one fight? not extremely important just wondering

[blazing jewel]

Assault is taken off of all stars because it’s degenerate to parse on

[quiet oar]

Its assault

Pad fight wont grant points

[cobalt hemlock]

oh i see thanks

[quiet oar]

Dude just wanted to post his parses for Sure

[blazing jewel]

[cobalt hemlock]

i would post the whole thing then no?

like the entire page?

[blazing jewel]

Tiramil just salty don’t worry

[quiet oar]

Wtf

[blazing jewel]

[cobalt hemlock]

[quiet oar]

Scana

Dont Fall for it

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

I thought we are bros

Like washing Maschine bros

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

You broke my heart scana

[quiet oar]

Typical assa main

Killing you from within

With poison

[blazing jewel]

I ain’t no sin main

[spice spire]

Yet ur always posting sin in my dms

L bozo

[quiet oar]

And your roles are only sin

[blazing jewel]

I progged as sub

[blazing jewel]

You deserve it

[spice spire]

???

[cobalt hemlock]

huh

[deft flicker]

Submissive and bleedable it is

[blazing jewel]

[lyric grail]

question why do i do more dps with 2set then 4set with assa aoe? is the stat prio > 4set?

its like 10k difference

[royal lantern]

i think you broke something in your sim

"stat prio" is most of the time 3digit at best btw

[limber lion]

You do not

The 4p is not a loss in dps, it's a massive gain

For everyone

No matter what talents, stats or whatever you use

Man's been playing with augmentation evokers and now does a key with 4p without one and wonders why he does less dps

[slim hamlet]

or simply doesnt press DM in aoe

[limber lion]

Not pressing DM does not mean that you do 10k less dps...

[slim hamlet]

oh

i didnt see he said 10k

xd

[lyric grail]

i stay on target dummys i dont care about any augumentation its literally there the dmg difference

[silk bane]

but i tried so hard pressing black poweder to achieve this feat thoooo 😦

[slim hamlet]

1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2

[silk bane]

takes a lot of skeeeeeeeel dont @ me

[slim hamlet]

mb

[blazing jewel]

bp go brazzzyyyy

[silk bane]

[blazing jewel]

I’m going to play bp on the next reclear you’ve convinced me

[silk bane]

its fun af. run the class trinket too

[blazing jewel]

I don’t have one of those

[silk bane]

I stole it from some 410 boomie in a normal pug

[slim hamlet]

legit in raid finder for it right now

[silk bane]

he wrote me an essay on why I should stop wasting oxygen

[blazing jewel]

[slim hamlet]

understandable

[limber lion]

Assault is also my best boss idk what that says about me

[slim hamlet]

oof

[limber lion]

But I'm a heroic andy nowadays

[blazing jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rgFrbdFXkP7by1hJfkmqDN
The game has already been won

[limber lion]

Doesn't look like it

[silk bane]

it means youre a man of culture and have great taste in fights

[limber lion]

2 entire items still on the table

Smh

[blazing jewel]

No more upgrades

[spice spire]

Missing 300 dps? Nice one nerd lmfaooooo

[silk bane]

surely sark daggers and cloak and beacon and waist and glove are gonna all drop and go to me when we kill it. surely

[spice spire]

And you don’t even have the timestrike dagger for offhand

Okay pal

[silk bane]

truuue. im 0/2 so far

[limber lion]

Mine looks a bit different

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2m4GdqqdKKSAtt8Z9n8VTF

3/9M

[gilded oasis]

its ok they all look different

[slim hamlet]

334 ilvl andy here

[silk bane]

alright ill do mine too one sec

[blazing jewel]

Hey at least when the daggers drop

You know they are yours

Unless you are psychotic and running two rogues on sark

[gilded oasis]

"when"

[slim hamlet]

if u talking about me

[gilded oasis]

hey we have 2 rogue

[slim hamlet]

we are 3 rogues

[gilded oasis]

and are also psychotic

[blazing jewel]

two rogues

three rogues

[limber lion]

Feels a bit weird still having so many upgrades everywhere at this point of the patch

[blazing jewel]

19 man raids right there

[slim hamlet]

I am not actually on the team "yet" tho

[silk bane]

what if I tell you we indeed are running 2 rogues on sark

[slim hamlet]

just came back since season 1

[silk bane]

and that they tell us to roll when something drops and we both want, and I havent won a single roll snice week 1 of the expansion

[blazing jewel]

It keeps getting worse lol

[silk bane]

im down! omw to home depot they sell rope right?

[slim hamlet]

I tried to reroll

but all other classes are boring af

[silk bane]

nvm found a better one

https://www.google.com/search?q=nearrest+bridge

[slim hamlet]

aintnoway

[blazing jewel]

I remember someone asked me what I was crafting with a spark earlier in the patch when I was way behind in gear and I hit them with the 447 noose

[slim hamlet]

This is what came up for me

Don't think its enough

[gilded oasis]

pretty

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/mitskidiamandis-racoon-doaflip-jump-fail-gif-23402386

dont temp me ill do it

[blazing jewel]

@limber lion back to mythic when

[wary ice]

Pocketing that for next season, thanks

[limber lion]

Probs never, my irl schedule is so erratic. Could be that I have nothing going on for 2 months straight or I have work every wed/thu/fri a month straight.

[silk bane]

add the multistrike dagger and I can still get 5.5k dps

[limber lion]

Shit fluctuates more than my parses with augmentation evokers

I had a nice 6 week vacation during the summer and I would have really liked to mythic raid during that time but all the top dogs were already done with raiding at that point

[silk bane]

I mean you can still come join for the reclears no? atleast u get to do some of the bosses and see what theyre like

[slim hamlet]

imagine not coming back from wow break and getting multistrike dagger as first drop of the season

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[limber lion]

Not really, especially the guild I'm in is always stacked to the brim with players every week. It's hard to balance the roster so everyone gets 3 vault choices.

2 reclears every week and still not everyone gets 3 vaults

But yeh tryhard guild with tryhard alts

[silk bane]

damn yeah that makes it really hard. hopefully you get a more stable schedule then. progging is honestly the best part of this game

until u hit dathea and u just hit up scana for that 447 noose

[limber lion]

Yeah not happening in my field of work

Freelancer life is erratic, it is what it is

[blazing jewel]

Good that you’re busy though right

[gilded oasis]

definitely read that as "busty"

[blazing jewel]

I mean it could

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Is there anywhere I can post for some log help ?

[spice spire]

Two things here

A. Highly recommend WoW analyzer to start with because it’s fairly up to date minus sepsis hits

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[thick sail]

Okay boys, good news. Hit KSM queueing only with my girlfriend.

Now. Do we go for 2500 or do we give up

[spice spire]

B. If you still need help, post them and someone (probably me) will review them

[spice spire]

2500 ez

[thick sail]

I mean I guess we can try

[strange python]

Already checked out Wowanalyzer, want something a bit more than just that if that's alright

[thick sail]

Assassination DPS seems woefully bad compared to our other specs in M+ but I just keep telling myself Iron Wire is utility

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GaJPAfkL3pCmnrcY#fight=29&type=damage-done

[slim hamlet]

wait I thought KSM was 2500

[thick sail]

KSM is 2000 afaik

I think 2500 is another milestone

[slim hamlet]

might be yea

but go for 2500!

[thick sail]

We're 2065 so far

I'm wondering how high on each dungeon we'd have to time in order to hit it

[slim hamlet]

what was average key level for 2k?

currently have 1650 on one week with these

[thick sail]

Not sure. We had one +18, two +17, and then some 14s I think

[keen spruce]

i think it's like all 17s or somethin

[slim hamlet]

Probably just around 18's on all I would guess

[keen spruce]

on both weeks

[thick sail]

We had one really bad score, Uldamann I think, that we've only ever done once

[silk bane]

I think its all 17s! you can definately do it, go for th 2500. you get and achievment and some 'cool' mog stuff!

[wary ice]

2k should be like all 14-15s I'm p sure

17d are like 2.4 to 2.5

[thick sail]

Oh, right! I forgot the score goes higher if you time Tyrannical AND Fortified

Good call!

[slim hamlet]

Is it still dps gain to use CT in ST in dungeons?

[runic hinge]

I think only during 4 set it can be a small gain but don’t quote me on that

[keen spruce]

i'm pretty sure it's just not

[digital raft]

I wish they would just lower the indiscriminate carnage cooldown. It seems like a pretty low effort buff that would go a long way since when I last checked assa was the worst ranked mythic+ spec in the game on warcraftlogs.

[slim hamlet]

170 sin rogues have done a 20+ this patch

xd

[spice spire]

I mean there’s no real point to doing higher

[proper tapir]

Not if you take poison bomb

[slim hamlet]

True people still do it tho

See if u can find the sin rogue (level impossible)

[spice spire]

Don’t

[pure moth]

Was expecting a lower number tbh. Ive been doing 20s as sin

[slim hamlet]

Yea

it's just 170 individual people

[spice spire]

170 lunatics

[slim hamlet]

🙂

[spice spire]

Just for funsies

What’s that number for idk shadow priest

[digital raft]

Im a masochist

[slim hamlet]

14 and up still only 832

xd

spriest 20+ is 10200

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

60x the people 🙂

[proper tapir]

True, true. The verbiage on that was tricky. If you take PB then you don't CT in single target (even during execute and DM)

[slim hamlet]

More than 100x the runs done in total with spriest than sin rogue

yep

[spice spire]

I also don’t mind Ct ST fwiw

[slim hamlet]

me neither as long as u don't pick that for ST fights

But having to use it when choosing it for aoe it's fine

[spice spire]

But it’s trickier than Pb better aoe damage, In fact one could say that our aoe is purely feelcraft

Past spreading bleeds

[slim hamlet]

I feel like the amount of bleeds you spread is also on the feeler

I stop when it feels good to stop

Not a single brain cell used for that

[proper tapir]

That's how the rest of us (the 170) feelcraft about it too

[pure moth]

My dungeon build is still named merk for a reason

[slim hamlet]

mine is ghdffj

[royal lantern]

quake choose violence this day

[spice spire]

I choose violence every day

Just gotta pick those battles

[royal lantern]

gods most sleepy soilder

[runic hinge]

Over 20’s or 20’s and above

[slim hamlet]

20 and above

[runic hinge]

Nice. I’m included then

[gusty mirage]

what can I say I'm an assassination gamer

[slim hamlet]

huge

[gusty mirage]

also I'm a big key doer

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

huge on the m+ this season

it's a blast

10/10 experience

[blazing jewel]

Yea I haven’t done many keys either

I did a 24ur and a 23vp both on tyran like 5 weeks ago

Still my highest keys lol

Never going back in especially now that we can’t compete for title

[slim hamlet]

I just dont know how to find groups

and pugs are 90% dogwater

[light warren]

Wow 24 key holy shit

Ive only done 14

[limber lion]

Mine is a +20 freehold because I couldn't care less about score

Only did m+ for gear and once I got the gear, I stopped doing em

[gusty mirage]

I got scammazed into a 22 nelths lair

[slim hamlet]

+20 ulduman baby

[gusty mirage]

but I did that as sub

because why the fuck would I play assassination in keys

[light warren]

I am levelign a druid to do higher keys

didnt realize how slow rogue was until i started leveling gaurdian lol

[gusty mirage]

it's actually so silly how much easier keys become because you invite an augvoker

[slim hamlet]

Feral for high keys

easy io

[light warren]

garudian

[slim hamlet]

Surely the changes for next week will make a difference

Also Brewmaaster monk getting bigger nerf than bear

[teal iris]

[light warren]

I KNOW I CRY

Brewmaster already hard to play and not great

[slim hamlet]

Priest getting a big 2% nerf dungeon slice

and 8% buff ST

[blazing jewel]

[slim hamlet]

Those patch notes were wild

[light warren]

but.... i am levleing for this

[gusty mirage]

[light warren]

What else would i level for

i dont do raids

[limber lion]

Each to their own

[slim hamlet]

I level chars because I like leveling

[light warren]

well I dont have guild either so I could only do LFR

[limber lion]

You don't need a guild to do normal/heroic

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosandcomics-im-in-this-photo-i-like-it-im-in-this-photo-and-i-like-it-dino-gif-19592145

[limber lion]

That's not right.

I've done like 5 20's as Assassination and I'm rank 2.5k or whatever

So uh

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

I think they mean 10.1.5 specific, no?

[slim hamlet]

For all of season 2 its 541

[limber lion]

Welp

[slim hamlet]

But sounds weird

Don't know explenation

This is timed only

Maybe that changes something

Also I just looked your profile, you're only 1750 rio with sin rogue, so even tho u done 20's it's very easy to get that rio without doing 20's

for example

[limber lion]

Yes

It's okay, we can stop now

Assa bad and no one plays it, we get it

[deft flicker]

Except Whispyr, he needs to maintain Wowhead guide + have something to do between intense Maplestory gaming

[limber lion]

My guy you're out of the loop

[deft flicker]

I guess

[limber lion]

Just because he has to maintain a Wowhead guide, does not mean that the man is playing Assassination 24/7

Man is raidlogging and instantly logging off when the raid is over

And that's what most people do and that's okay

[light warren]

Im surprised there was no notes for rogue this patch

[limber lion]

Because of the rework coming in 10.2

[light warren]

oh

is that all specs?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[light warren]

so they gonna fuck up our class?

[slim hamlet]

bro

[gusty mirage]

can't make it worse than it is now

[slim hamlet]

what

[light warren]

im kidding

[gusty mirage]

actually close to borderline impossible

[slim hamlet]

Realz also said it would be small "rework"

not mage, pala ish

[light warren]

Mage looks insane tbh

[slim hamlet]

nah

they're fine

that's why they don't get nerfed 🙂

[deft flicker]

Yeah, I meant he has to play at least some assa for guide purposes, might be reading the room incorrectly though

[slim hamlet]

Why

no one is going to look at the guide anyways

[limber lion]

Yeah you phrased it in a way where he has to play it all the time and I can tell you that if there's free time or something to do, logging on to play Assassination ain't probably it. Or maybe he is blasting a shit ton, I wouldn't honestly know. But I doubt it.

But yeh no worries

Also "maintaining a guide" ain't really a thing

[runic hinge]

They’re gonna come in here and ask questions that are specifically covered by the guide and pins and faq

[limber lion]

You touch up on it when you see the blue patch notes mention our name

[slim hamlet]

yep

[light warren]

Man I like assassination tho. its my favorite rogue spec

[limber lion]

and then you leave it be

[slim hamlet]

Sin is fun to play

[gusty mirage]

god I can't handle so many truth bombs in 24 hours

[slim hamlet]

Only non sleeper spec in raid imo

[light warren]

at least when i do 30k dps I know im trying my hardest LOL

[slim hamlet]

U remember "Deadly Poison or Instant Poison?" Question start of 10.1?

legit look at the tooltip xd

[gusty mirage]

you remember when some streamers started using wound poison on sanguine weeks while playing sub rogue

and then people came in here and asked about it?

[limber lion]

I don't really know anyone who plays at a decent level who spends their free time playing Assassination in keys for fun or whatever. Better off playing a different spec, class or game.

[gusty mirage]

pepperidge farm remembers

[slim hamlet]

I do

I didn't know that was why

But I remember a lot of questions

[light warren]

I am primarly a tank player.

[slim hamlet]

I like playing underdogs in many games

Because I'm a weirdo

Also sub is residentsleeper in keys

[light warren]

isnt sub rated high for keys

[slim hamlet]

prob the best melee spec ye

[storm belfry]

True

[light warren]

enhance tho

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[runic hinge]

I went from feral Druid in SL to assa rogue in DF so clearly I just like playing Dogwater m+ specs

[slim hamlet]

Sub def better

[storm belfry]

Think fury might be better no

[light warren]

Really u think sub better then enhance?

[slim hamlet]

Definitely but I am not pro m+ gamer

Rogue does soo much

by just being rogue

Enhance

ehm

aoe stun

fury xd

[light warren]

Enhance like 3 aoe stuns

[storm belfry]

Lust dispel stops

[ripe relic]

I could cry for state of assassination. Benched :[

[storm belfry]

Rogue just lacks rn

[slim hamlet]

LUST?

As if u dont have an aug in every single key

[storm belfry]

I mean if you are just comparing to rogue

[slim hamlet]

and spriest

yea

[storm belfry]

Rogue is def not in there rn

No one cares for them lol

[ripe relic]

Make a warlock. Pull higher dps with 15 lower il

[slim hamlet]

I mean there is a reason rogue was picked in high keys even when they did lots less dmg in other expacs

[light warren]

talking melee

[slim hamlet]

but again im just a 20 key andy

[storm belfry]

Melee I think fury is better

But I’d prob take sub over enhance

[slim hamlet]

I really don't think so

Enhance prob close or better

[light warren]

I feel like enhance is crazy rn

[ripe relic]

I mean I run assassination in keys. 19 and 20

[slim hamlet]

Fury does dmg, and only dmg

and rips aggro

[light warren]

Fury got 1 pull in them

then they on cd

[slim hamlet]

also peepee ST dmg for fury

[storm belfry]

They do damage every pull from what I see

[slim hamlet]

unless things changed since s1

[storm belfry]

Think it depends on player. But that goes for everything. I just see fury blasting almost every time I take one

Their ST is pretty bad tho

[slim hamlet]

ill check what was played before 10.1.5

i actually dont know

[storm belfry]

But they have good damage. They are one of the top for totem damage on last boss of BH

As melee

[light warren]

Tbh melee just is not competing with are ranged dps right now

[storm belfry]

You could do 25s as assa but no one will let you

[light warren]

so do we have any information on the rogue rework

[slim hamlet]

if u were to go by subcreation which is giga sus then it's enhance, fury and sub

[ripe relic]

Pretty much I haven't even tried. But I top meters in 20s

Still get beched for raid

Boo

[blazing jewel]

That site is straight ass

[slim hamlet]

yep

but it exists

[storm belfry]

I haven’t done keys on my rogue in about 2 months. Just raid logging for now

I do keys on my lock instead

[storm belfry]

Amen. Amen

[slim hamlet]

For random affix before 10.1.5 it's like 50/ 50 amounts of warrs and rogues

and like half of that enhance

Enhance and fury also just dies to things right

[blazing jewel]

Warrior was doing really well because there was a ton of spell reflect damage that scaled with key level

[light warren]

Enhance has no defense yeah

[slim hamlet]

Fury has legit nothing

[light warren]

they got 1 button

[slim hamlet]

what is their dr like 30%

[blazing jewel]

Fury has a decent amount of stuff

More hp than normal

[light warren]

THought fury had good heals and shit

[blazing jewel]

Plate

[slim hamlet]

they got the healing thing now which is nice

[blazing jewel]

Reflect

[slim hamlet]

yea i guess

[blazing jewel]

Wall

D stance

[slim hamlet]

Would still pick sub before fury 9/10 times

[blazing jewel]

30% heal whenever they want

[slim hamlet]

But they're probably just as good

[light warren]

I would take a bad fury over bad sub

but good sub over good fury

[slim hamlet]

hard to be bad at either

[limber lion]

Honestly shouldn't.

A preschooler can make a better and more accurate website.

[slim hamlet]

yet so much clickbait on youtube related to subcreation tier lists

[limber lion]

Honestly it recommends you the things you'd be interested in and would click

I personally haven't seen a single one

Youtube knows my hatred towards that shit

[slim hamlet]

I barely watch wow content

And still see it here and there

[storm belfry]

I watch like 3 streamers that’s it

Anythjng on YouTube is a no go unless it’s a kill video

[slim hamlet]

I watch GG Wow and Preach drama time

BIS 2nd screen content

[ripe relic]

Anywho we keep fighting the good fight till someone figures out they nuked a cool spec

Peace. I gotta finish up work

[slim hamlet]

huh

[limber lion]

I'm confused

[ripe relic]

Me too

Much love

Also I'm on stormrage polluti-alt0246-n

[slim hamlet]

bro is high and drunk

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

its too damn early in the week for this

[vestal wren]

let him cook

[brazen zodiac]

[royal lantern]

best interupt cus it has the shortest CD+ranged, BL, 2AoE stuns, Offhealing, stupid high amount of group dmg with WFT

but sure, Enh bad

[slim hamlet]

sure buddy

[royal lantern]

if people could see the dmg WFT brings to a group/raid, they would scream for enh nerfs

[slim hamlet]

let me buff my spriest and aug with wft

but yea

[light warren]

Wft sucks unless ur built around it

[slim hamlet]

not bad

[light warren]

not even worth taking with the meta

[slim hamlet]

anyways

[royal lantern]

BUT ROGUE IS WORTH IT IN THIS META?

[light warren]

well

[slim hamlet]

25 and up so rogue is the best outside of meta

change my mind

[light warren]

i just got here

so

[royal lantern]

ye cus all paladins in high lvl just went holy

not cus ret is bad

ret is unkillable

[light warren]

I also dont care for meta at all but I think shaman is good jus WFT is meh its flexible

[slim hamlet]

I never seen a ret not do dog damage tbh

[royal lantern]

and also 1 of the specs that gains big value from aug

[slim hamlet]

there is no shot u saying ret is better than sub

aintnoway

[royal lantern]

in the current meta? if you had the spot free for sure

ret value with aug is higher then rogues

actually has dmg cd's

[slim hamlet]

well

25 and up gamers do not agree

[royal lantern]

yeha cus they take holy

[slim hamlet]

even tho ret is much more popular than sub

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

so

why are u saying in the current meta

xd

[royal lantern]

current meta, aka "buff the shit out of 1 1/2 guys"

and dmg cd's beeing king

thats like saying "devestation sucks for m+, nobody is playing it"

yeha sure

[slim hamlet]

it does

🙂

[spice spire]

Meta this meta that but have you guys ever meta therapist, taking video games seriously can take a toll on your mental health and you should always do what’s best for yourself

[royal lantern]

they all just play aug cus its even more broken

[light warren]

this. also why we talking about meta in assassination spec LOL when was the last time u saw meta

[royal lantern]

thats the most crocked take i saw from you lmao

[balmy condor]

what

[royal lantern]

devestation was litearlly the #1 spec for EVERYTHING in 10.1

nothing changed

not a single nerf

it still does the same dmg

[spice spire]

Man

[royal lantern]

you just dont take 2x the same class, and aug is even more stupid broken

[blazing jewel]

Quake are you meta

[spice spire]

You guys are really one upping each other on these absolutes

[slim hamlet]

#1 spec but only 5.5% of keys

[royal lantern]

man, are you serious

[balmy condor]

sometimes peoples opinions teeter so close to just raw misinformation and trolling that I question whether or not to mute

[spice spire]

Nah I meta ur pops and blew his back out though

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

at what point does a bad opinion become just bad information that I need to filter

[spice spire]

I am the guide

[slim hamlet]

what is the bad opinion

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

devoker not being good in m+

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

also just various shit said in the last 3 hours I guess reading back

some of the shit you people say when I'm tabbed out

is wild

[slim hamlet]

everything outside of top 10 specs sucks

[balmy condor]

so you're saying devoker is not a top 10 spec?

[royal lantern]

good thing devestation is in the top10

[balmy condor]

are you actually smoking crack

[royal lantern]

mate

[balmy condor]

what the fuck kind of game are you playing

[royal lantern]

litearlly the only reason devesation is not played right now

is cus they take aug

[balmy condor]

world of warcraft, retail edition, 10.1.5?

[royal lantern]

and you dont want 2x the same class cus of utility overlaps

devestation was top3 for Raid and m+ last patch cus of the insane dmg it does in both content

and nothing was changed about the numbers in any form

[slim hamlet]

Objective top 10 :
Spriest
Frost Mage
Fire Mage
Sub Rogue
Fury Warrior
Ret Paladin
Balance Druid
Augmentation Evoker

Bear Druid

Holy Paladin

[royal lantern]

it still evaporates packs in 10seconds with cd's lmao

sub rogue and fury warrior top10, but not devoker

[slim hamlet]

not in order

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

yea

before 10.1.5 devoker was barely played compared to fury and sub

[royal lantern]

[stark kraken]

[slim hamlet]

but ur main point to it not being played is because aug right?

[balmy condor]

you can't just put "objective" at the front of something brain meltingly stupid and claim it's correct

[spice spire]

I’m getting a headache not tonight babe

[balmy condor]

that's not how facts work

[slim hamlet]

the "objective" was for memes

but also what would u change

[light warren]

frost mage above fire mage?

[slim hamlet]

I legit said not in order

[light warren]

oh

[slim hamlet]

yea

aug the lowest dps

xd

[eager sorrel]

For m+ Aug is goated by a mile. Brings survivability, rallying cry, movement speed while being a 3 buttons DPS rotation...

[balmy condor]

I would take fury out for sure for devoker, I'll even let you keep sub, and I'd probably take frost or boomkin out for a warlock

[slim hamlet]

i had augvoker?

[balmy condor]

holy shit people can't even read

I'm going to actually tilt

[slim hamlet]

warlock and boomie was close imo, but I would choose a drood over warlock still for 3% vers and offheal

[blazing jewel]

where sin in the top 10 list we have good execute

[slim hamlet]

Maybe devoker is like the 10th, but u can't tell me it is op

xd

[balmy condor]

it's like a human centipede but people aren't even consuming the shit properly

terrible day to open discord

[slim hamlet]

everyday is terrible when im here m8

[balmy condor]

yeah I've started to notice

[slim hamlet]

I still fully believe devoker wasnt op tho

[balmy condor]

people believe the earth is flat too

you're in good company

[slim hamlet]

So what is more delusional

saying devoker is 1# in everything or that its not op

anyways

[eager sorrel]

It's actually annoying how far in you have to go to find non evoker/mage/priest...

One boomkin snuck into top 200 lol

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-df-2/world/all/dps/13#content

[slim hamlet]

assassination spec yay

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[eager sorrel]

Ooo a lock at 322

[slim hamlet]

10.1.5 alone made keys +2/3 right?

[slim hamlet]

was it an aff?

[light warren]

123 druid

[slim hamlet]

Destro unlucky, THD told me aff would be op ...

[eager sorrel]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Shadewl#season=season-df-2

[slim hamlet]

oh actually

[light warren]

huh

[slim hamlet]

he has been doing some aff keys

[eager sorrel]

Wrong @, meant to get the one above you :P

And ya, legit one non mage/evoker/spriest in top 200

[slim hamlet]

Spriest getting "nerfed" and evoker changed next reset

[light warren]

think there is 2

[slim hamlet]

surely that will change the comp

[light warren]

one at 123 and one at 162

[slim hamlet]

oh and bear nerf

[light warren]

oh no the such a big bear nerf

[spice spire]

It’s almost as if this is what meta devolves into. People find the best play the best push as high as possible

[light warren]

compared to brewmaster

[slim hamlet]

can't wait for them to rework sin into an op spec in 10.2 man

[eager sorrel]

Mass dispel guarantees a slot in 5(?) dungeons and the mage nerfs are a meme

[spice spire]

Spriest is also doing bonkers dam

[slim hamlet]

Yea but usually there are like minimum 2 comps being played at the top

[spice spire]

Probably will post nerf

[slim hamlet]

Mage aren't getting nerfed

[royal lantern]

the "nerf" is a big pile of nothing

they even do MORE st dmg lmao

[spice spire]

Last season? Maybe.
Every season in SL? Not so sure about that bucko

[slim hamlet]

spriest "nerf" is 2% dungeon slice and 8% buff ST

[eager sorrel]

Based on realz questions a couple days ago he's looking at the aoe kit, so that's nice :)

[light warren]

Druid nerf is pointless its going to change nothing

[spice spire]

Legit every season boiled down to singular comps

In SL.

[slim hamlet]

i was noob in SL dunno

[spice spire]

You’re making a lot of claims with very little criteria to grasp on

[slim hamlet]

ye

[spice spire]

Like some wide stretching claims

[slim hamlet]

yeah i forgot about the whole lock surv meta for 2 seasons

lol

Surely that won't happen again

insanely based season 2

[spice spire]

Or the frost mage/sub rogue/ww monk/resto shaman/prot Paladin right before that

[light warren]

is that all the same healer?

[spice spire]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

its same entire team

[balmy condor]

it's the same group

[strange python]

broo hahahaha

[spice spire]

That’s all the same everyone

[slim hamlet]

still 4 comps in top 20 there

[spice spire]

Watching ramfam while working

[slim hamlet]

3 comps for season 3

3 comps season 4

[balmy condor]

okay and how many unique groups in those top 20's

[slim hamlet]

Even tho most of them is the same, other things were playable at the very top, that's mostly what I mean, but I see i underrestimated how locked in it used to be

[slim hamlet]

you mean actual players?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slim hamlet]

season 4 = 11 at least (some chinese characters)

season 3 = 6

season 2 = 5

[balmy condor]

neat

[slim hamlet]

season 1 almost all different actually

Pretty sick tbh, didn't expect that after seeing this

[balmy condor]

there just aren't that many people pushing m+

you see a lot of duplicates

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Thought there would be like 3 different groups maybe in top 20

but quite different, at least for end of season

[balmy condor]

I mean 6 and 5 in the top 20 still isn't really that competitive

[slim hamlet]

But also probably because the really good people cba with live servers

Like if Echo wanted to they would probably have all top placements right

[balmy condor]

not really

[slim hamlet]

Don't think so?

[balmy condor]

depends entirely on the competition in that season

[slim hamlet]

I mean who knows, not me, but they sure seem dominant in MDI and TGP

Even tho Mandatory and Perplexed seemed crisp this weekend

[balmy condor]

idk bout dominant

In shadowlands it was always pretty close for tgp

they lost season 2

season 1 was nearly tied

[slim hamlet]

Yea just looking at it now

[balmy condor]

season 3 mdt I think they lost in semi's

and then had to go win the loser bracket

and then win the finals

[slim hamlet]

But dominant in the term that they have won so many, but yea pretty damn close a lot of them

They won grand finals season 3

4 tgp and mdi too

[balmy condor]

they're good but they're definitely capable of losing

[slim hamlet]

Yup

I guess it wouldn't change much even if all the top MDI/TGP teams pushed live then

still diversity which is nice

[woeful meteor]

@drifting cloud how many tries did 2 heal take?

also 6:10

[slim hamlet]

What is normal time on sark?

like 8?

[woeful meteor]

7:30 fist kill 7 flat on farm

[slim hamlet]

damn

[woeful meteor]

enrage is 7:35 I think

[slim hamlet]

is it like hard enrage?

[drifting cloud]

uhh like 12

I won the bad rng lottery on kill ofc

[woeful meteor]

pulses stacking dmg

[slim hamlet]

ah ok

[woeful meteor]

and cast the knockback right after

[slim hamlet]

I legit haven't looked into anything mythic this season

[woeful meteor]

and the ascension

[grim tangle]

nice parse ryler

[woeful meteor]

so you have like 8 sec to kill in enrage and then he's gone

[drifting cloud]

ty

[ripe relic]

@slim hamlet the promised land?

[slim hamlet]

what?

[burnt latch]

I hope u all sleep well

[runic hinge]

Gn

[spice spire]

No u

[burnt latch]

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce get back in sin channel

[keen spruce]

sir i'm tryna get title

no snitching

[blazing jewel]

GOOD LUCK BUCKO

[keen spruce]

look

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[keen spruce]

we're makin out brewmaster switch to bear

our*

we got an hpal

[blazing jewel]

double standards

[keen spruce]

we've got a guy that plays priest and evoker

[blazing jewel]

when are you swapping to aug

[keen spruce]

and we've got a mage

but unfortunately

i take the mages spot

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

like... how tf do you do a 26 hoi

with a rogue

u need priest

aug is nice

but then you have no PI target

[blazing jewel]

you need a 6 person roster

[keen spruce]

so you just run rogue priest mage?

like we're playin fuckin 3s

and just lose all of the poggie auggie

aint no way

[blazing jewel]

what io is title rn

[keen spruce]

just north of 3300 rn

in NA

[blazing jewel]

bro aint no way

thats only going to get higher too

[keen spruce]

probably gonna be like.. 3400 by the time exodia is actually nerfed

i mean next few weeks are gonna be cheeks

and if exodia gets nerfed out of existence then the highest keys might already be done

ye 3309 rn

in NA

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

3378 in EU

[blazing jewel]

next season homie

[keen spruce]

rip to my EU rogues

[blazing jewel]

do I do 4 more keys for vault

[keen spruce]

most of the 25s feel fine on fort

and like half of them pretty okay on tyrna

i just need to like scam my way into a 28 neltharus

and let chains do all of the work

then get a big UR and freehold

and huge for NL

then just never go into uld or hoi

[blazing jewel]

surely you get title while avoiding two keys lol

[keen spruce]

i think i can get them at 24 pretty ez

on tyran

or 25

but after than seems kinda deadge

[blazing jewel]

shmeeps an emuffin frfr

[atomic star]

is the megadungeon trinket bis at 441 or only if you do hardmode?

in dungeons

[balmy condor]

it's barely bis at 441

[violet talon]

Is raidbots sim updated for Sepsis or is there a different APL to use? I know for a while Whysper had a different one which better simulated for us

[balmy condor]

been up to date for months

[violet talon]

Thanks, I thought so but had a strange doubt for some reason

[atomic star]

nice i got nick of time and the trinket in my run just now

im the luckiest man alive

[balmy condor]

I still think it's hilarious how storm eater is our best aoe trinket

[blazing jewel]

play it on reclear

[balmy condor]

I dont have one brother

I have like 15 dathea kills and we only saw it drop on the first kill

which didn't go to me

[bronze pike]

storm eater stil aoe bis for alot of specs

legit it needs to die

viva other aoe trinkets being buffed

[balmy condor]

storm eater is dead by virtue of blizzard being terrified of making a dungeon that has pulls larger than 5 targets

[slim hamlet]

wait huh is dawn trinket bis?

[balmy condor]

Mirror in m+ is essentially bis yeah

[radiant kettle]

Is the Assassination faq up to date? I play sub but want to mess around on Assassination in lower keys. I saw Sybelysa blasting on a 22 BH that inspired me to give it a try. I am curious if the rotation is correct and my main question is when is it best to use shiv for the dam increase. It is too bad we don’t use the 2 charge shiv so I could use it more often.

[limber lion]

You give too much value to Shiv

You just press it on cooldown

It is not that interesting of an effect and the damage amp from it is quite minimal.

On AoE you don't even want to press it at all on like 5+ targets unless you play AP.

The FaQ is up to date, yes.

[sweet dawn]

Is even a heroic storm eater's boon worth in M+?

Over things like 441 dice, normal bomb dispenser/bacon

[limber lion]

"Worth it" is subjective, but yeah if you don't have the better Season 2 trinkets and you want to stand still for 5s everytime you press a trinket, I guess it's fine

I wouldn't play it personally because it's barely better but the handicap is much bigger

[sweet dawn]

I don't mind the standing still because rogue broken, might take it out my bank for a few keys and see how I feel about it

[balmy condor]

whotf is sybelysa

[sick aspen]

so out of the loops whispyr, everyone knows them

[balmy condor]

they know something I don't

that's for sure

[keen spruce]

secret technology

[light warren]

?

thats for tanks no?

[keen spruce]

and outlaw rogues

[light warren]

oh

[keen spruce]

not for assas

[light warren]

lol its brew bis

[runic hinge]

Damn. I vendored mine two days ago

[spice spire]

It’s not technology

[main crypt]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gilded oasis]

ouch

[storm forum]

Oof

[gilded oasis]

our big rogue died first portals or that was it

[runic hinge]

Close tho. Dead soon

[spice spire]

Ur the big rogue Tf you mean

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm belfry]

[runic hinge]

Time to cook

[light warren]

rogue needs like a 100% bonus xp passive for leveling. Way to fucking slow. I started leveling a druid and i have half the play time and already higher level

[errant swallow]

What time are servers up in NA tomorrow?

[gusty mirage]

11am pst

[errant swallow]

Ty

[runic hinge]

I went sub for leveling and basically shadowstrike evis and things died

[errant swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-din-djarin-gif-15916889

[light warren]

Im level 35 rn on rogue but I tried sub and assassin seems like same kill time on a mob

also no i would stop leveling if I played sub

it aint fun

[keen spruce]

rogue leveling is kinda cheeks

[light warren]

I know

[gusty mirage]

are they at least juicy cheeks?

[keen spruce]

the juiciest

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

Not this emote again

[blazing jewel]

[agile osprey]

No monk and no wf for mag prog tonight. I felt like a pool noodle

[vapid sierra]

Don’t judge on kill time or the specs rn

The second you get to max level the whole spec changes completely

Per example Outlaw feels like shit to level up because of no energy

Try them all out at max level

[gilded oasis]

@gusty mirage we timed the UR 3 points, I know you wanted an update

[quiet oar]

[austere fulcrum]

do we bomb macro ? if yes any suggestiions

[keen spruce]

you probably shouldn't

but if you're not using another on use

you could just bind it to mutilate or somethin

[limber lion]

I macro it even if I play Beacon with it sometimes

fuck that

[keen spruce]

just gotta remember to not press mutillate for 10s

before beacon comes off cd

[austere fulcrum]

naa that sounds not right 😄

[limber lion]

It's not that big of a deal even if you do

just goes on a 10 second cd

99.9% of the time it does not matter

[keen spruce]

but we also have like

so many free keybinds

[limber lion]

I def don't

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

Literally every keybind is used on my mouse

keyboard

with shift modifiers

[keen spruce]

i don't use an mmo mouse or ctrl binds

[limber lion]

and ctrl modifiers

lol

[keen spruce]

and i have room to keybind an emote to put dirt in people's pockets

[limber lion]

Literally no reason not to macro it

Saves you 6 off-gcd clicks every minute

[keen spruce]

gives my fingeys something to do

[blazing jewel]

HIGH APM GAMER

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kerchoo-kachow-gif-20586061

[balmy condor]

All my maplestory characters are like 4 buttons idk what you guys are complaining about

[subtle tundra]

my warframes also have 4 abilities

[balmy condor]

W

[subtle tundra]

sometimes i only spam 1

[keen spruce]

but what do you macro your bomb dispenser too on your dual blade

[balmy condor]

Common varas W

[subtle tundra]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[balmy condor]

Phantom blow for sure

[deft flicker]

E

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-e-gif-9063749

[keen spruce]

pugging keys at 5am before reset

is not the way

I shoulda slept

the behavior of these morning procrastinators

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

is criminal

i've seen things

this morning

[blazing jewel]

Great crimes

[deft flicker]

And then there’s Lavos

[keen spruce]

i just got invited to another 24 uld

they tell me i'm supposed to RP as an evoker

cuz of my lfg note

[blazing jewel]

Shmeeps it’s time to rally soldier

Get an energy drink

[keen spruce]

i'm like "okay bet, but where's our priest for emberon and last boss?"

not a word was spoken