#assassination

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keen spruce
gusty mirage
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actually lower than I expected

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what about dade county

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prolly close to 3 mil?

blazing jewel
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that was basically just the major city portion of miami

gusty mirage
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yea I mean metro detroit is the same way

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ish

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the county its in is like almost 2 mil

blazing jewel
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greater miami is all the suburbs + west palm

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dade is 2.6 mil

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okay no more off topic right guys

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where are my sin rogue buffs!!!!!!!
!stats
!sepsis
!oxistoes

gusty mirage
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????

thorn fjord
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ROFL sure let me check with the wife kekdog

gusty mirage
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bro how funny would it be

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if I flew down to miami

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and hung out with you and not scana

blazing jewel
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oxi want to go to e11even

gusty mirage
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and do what

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I don't drink

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and I'm old

thorn fjord
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Houses near miccosukee are pretty taxed tho

gusty mirage
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wtf am I gonna do with loud music and alcohol bro

blazing jewel
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uhh

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listen to loud music

gusty mirage
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I'd rather fight a bath salts crackhead in an alleyway

thorn fjord
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It’s a strip club 🤣

blazing jewel
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you can do that just go outside of e11even

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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@thorn fjord oxi + studio 60

thorn fjord
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I don’t know what that is

blazing jewel
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good

potent topaz
gilded oasis
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thats ol

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
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bro I'm old and grumpy not fucking stupid

thorn fjord
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There are some decent things to do not including alcohol

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But all of that sucks in the summer

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Way too hot

potent topaz
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k, then I am prolly considered a mumy

gusty mirage
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😦

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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a plague onto the world

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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no that was us

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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we killed jc penney with avocado toast

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remember

thorn fjord
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Jc penny lmaoo

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Burdines too

gusty mirage
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we probably got blamed for sears too

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even though they bankrupted themselves by buying kmart

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lmao

thorn fjord
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Rip Kmart

gusty mirage
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bro fuck kmart

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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blue light special deez

thorn fjord
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It was the step in between Walmart and target

blazing jewel
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there is still a sears logo on the building

gusty mirage
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you're gonna have to be more specific

blazing jewel
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no but like

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massive buildings

gusty mirage
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which one has H&M and zara

blazing jewel
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the 5 story sears setups

gusty mirage
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cause I went to that one

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was kinda neat

thorn fjord
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Hmm

gusty mirage
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also someone explain the appeal of ceviche

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because that was the grossest shit I've ever eaten

blazing jewel
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that was in brickell probably

thorn fjord
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Only sears I know about was off coral way and 37th ave

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That closed a little after Covid I think

blazing jewel
thorn fjord
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I grew up in that area

blazing jewel
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its amazing

thorn fjord
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Oh there used to be a macys on Flagler

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Right down from@the court house

blazing jewel
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yea that one

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oxi you hear that

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courthouse

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new city new you

gusty mirage
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with a bunch of restaurants

thorn fjord
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They’re the civil court house too

blazing jewel
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yea

thorn fjord
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Yeah there’s a few

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For different tax brackets

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🤣

gusty mirage
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yeah that's the one we went to

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one of my friends is obsessed with H&M

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mfer drives a $80,000 beamer and buys $4 shirts

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unreal

thorn fjord
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That’s the play tbh

blazing jewel
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theyre like 4k for a studio

keen spruce
thorn fjord
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Bro houses near Wynwood were selling for like 150k 8-9 years ago

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Before all the fucks started moving down and driving up the prices

gusty mirage
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I want to know why people voluntarily eat ceviche

thorn fjord
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Ceviche is fucking delicious

gusty mirage
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aint no way bro

keen spruce
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because it's delicious

thorn fjord
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Sword fish

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Shrimp

blazing jewel
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probably had some bad ceviche

gusty mirage
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idk blame your dirty ass city

gilded oasis
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fish is gross

keen spruce
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do you like sushi @gusty mirage

blazing jewel
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its not my favorite but its good

gusty mirage
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yes

keen spruce
gusty mirage
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I do not like my fish "cooked" in citric acid bro

blazing jewel
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do you know how ceviche is made

keen spruce
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what about like poke bowls?

blazing jewel
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okay

gusty mirage
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it had an unsettling texture

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yall are wild

keen spruce
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i think u just had bad ceviche

blazing jewel
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was it the crispy bits they put in there

gusty mirage
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the entire experience was unsettling

blazing jewel
thorn fjord
gusty mirage
keen spruce
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i mean it's basically jsut sushi + lime juice + spices

thorn fjord
blazing jewel
keen spruce
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i don't see the unsettling part

gusty mirage
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nah that was the hookah lounge where they scammazed me $35 for a hookah bro @thorn fjord

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yall wilding out there

thorn fjord
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And the slice of sweet potato

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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bro if 35 for a hookah is one of the bigger scams it gets worse

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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idk I could've had just old ceviche or something

blazing jewel
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try $40 for two small jack and cokes

gusty mirage
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it felt like I was eating mush

thorn fjord
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If we were in OT I’d post a video I took tonight outside a local flanigans 🤣

keen spruce
gusty mirage
keen spruce
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probably mushy before it got turned into ceviche

gusty mirage
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I can buy a kilo of shisha tobacco for $35

thorn fjord
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35 gets you an eighth of bud

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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hold on lets add fuel to this fire

thorn fjord
blazing jewel
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@spice spire ceviche good or bad

thorn fjord
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Solid

gusty mirage
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yeah like the flavor was fine

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it was the texture that ruined it for me

thorn fjord
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If it’s been sitting a while it’ll get gooey

gusty mirage
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I think the texture + the fact that its cold kinda just made my brain confused

thorn fjord
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And course

keen spruce
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not more mushy

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so u definitely got bad fish

blazing jewel
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no more ceviche me and dieslow are moving into alligator country

thorn fjord
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Hell yeah gator bites are delicious

blazing jewel
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only alligator meat from here on out

gusty mirage
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will you take me to NAOE @thorn fjord

thorn fjord
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Ever try the gator bites from Kush?

blazing jewel
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no lol

thorn fjord
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Naoe?

blazing jewel
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me and my coworkers used to go there for lunch a bunch

thorn fjord
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Gator tacos are legit

blazing jewel
thorn fjord
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How is it any different from eating venison

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Granted it’s a reptile

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But still

gusty mirage
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I wasn't about to pay $35 for a plate of plain white rice

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so I vetoed that one

blazing jewel
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oh thats on brickell key

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yea bring a large wallet

gusty mirage
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yeah dieslow is gonna treat me to it

thorn fjord
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How the fuck did he end up on the key lol

gusty mirage
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google is a thing bro

thorn fjord
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We’ll hit up Nobu

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115 sushi rolls

blazing jewel
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RH movie night when

marble hemlock
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When the shitposting gets so severe we lose our partner status so we won't have to worry about losing it because of a movie night anymore.

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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like have a movie night

thorn fjord
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Why did sub get buffed and we didn’t?

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Doesn’t seem fair

blazing jewel
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sin replaced ring before patch

gusty mirage
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its almost as if there's a button

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that lets them make their own server

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and its free

thorn fjord
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😂😂😂

gusty mirage
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they could even make it look like this

marble hemlock
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That's just where you put the battery on the screen to recharge it

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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if I put a fork there will it give me the zap

gusty mirage
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yeah try it and let us know

blazing jewel
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okay brb

marble hemlock
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Hopefully

thorn fjord
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Sweet another spot on top ten should open up soon then

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I can’t even make it through raid night without dozing off now

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It’s disheartening

spice spire
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Oxi’s argument for texture is also completely understandable

thorn fjord
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Sauced or smoked @spice spire

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Bbq I mean

spice spire
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Smoked pref

thorn fjord
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Man of class

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Us?

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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yes

spice spire
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Make out

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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WHAT IS THAT

gilded oasis
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its a donut

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duh

minor heath
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hey does anyone know when you should beacon in the opener

runic hinge
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After rupture before sepsis

gusty mirage
cerulean walrus
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Garret 1 Garret 2 Garret 3

gusty mirage
cerulean walrus
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Brother Blade Flurry is cringe

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Especially this dumbass single target blade flurry mumbo jumbo

frozen iris
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Should i switch to m+ build for a 10 key?

silk bane
atomic star
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do you guys have any tips for mythic forgotten experiments? I feel like my damage is just not cutting it on that fight.

worn sorrel
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How fun is assa right now in keys? In your experience

atomic star
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not very really

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theres not much to do after you apply your bleeds with carnage

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other than just spam fan of knives + crimson tempest

worn sorrel
atomic star
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yes

worn sorrel
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So you dont really apply bleeds anymore?

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Not counting carnage

atomic star
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nah not unless the fight goes on too long and there are big mobs that need to die still

worn sorrel
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I see, that's quite bad for me

atomic star
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assassination is kinda non-functional in m+

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i would recommend avoiding it until we see what the rework in 10.2 will change

worn sorrel
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I enjoyed assa in SL because it was the only dot spec that still used dot

atomic star
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i play it but just because im a masochist

worn sorrel
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It's the same with shadow and affli

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you press one spell and everythings dot

arctic current
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If assa could somehow gain more ST for M+ I feel like it could be a really solid spec. Carnage with ironwire just feels so good

royal lantern
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because ST dmg is what you need in m+ right

quiet oar
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Look at Spriest They clearly needed that ST buff in M+ /s

atomic star
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lol the one spriest in my guild is constantly complaining about his spec in m+

royal lantern
atomic star
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im like... bruh youre literally the best spec in the game

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other than aug now i guess

royal lantern
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and holy paladin

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and mage

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god, its ridicolous how broken they all are rn

atomic star
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yeah m+ balance is a bit silly right now

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not like it matters, things are always consistent on the bottom for us!

royal lantern
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i mean, its everywhere

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not like as if holy paladin is only busted in m+

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or as if mage/spriest do 0 dmg in raids lol

atomic star
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i feel like playing melee dps is illegal in high keys right now lol

royal lantern
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wdym, hpaladin is melee

atomic star
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idk what blizzard is going to do man

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i thought aug was gonna be a bad idea

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and it seems like its nearly unbalaneable

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its just "pump as many buffs into the current op dps" meta with aug and spriest

royal lantern
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buffs weaker, personal dmg higher

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they went WAY to high with the buffs vs personal dmg part anyway

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people always say "support works, Muh Dancer in ff14!!!"

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yeha, dancer is 80% personal dmg and 20% supporting

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(and still broken as hell and replaced all other ranged dps since it exist btw, but that would make people realise why "support" is flawed by default kekman )

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augmentation rn is like 20%personal and 80% buffs

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ofc its broken

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what the hell do you expect

atomic star
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i feel like im playing a different game when an aug is in my group vs when we dont have one

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its just so much easier lol

royal lantern
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i just say 1 thing

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remove stat buffs

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make the buffs flat dmg effects like blessing of winter instead

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suddenly its way WAY more easy to balance cus its flat dmg, and it doesnt favor specific classes/specs cus they have 2000x more value from stat buffs

atomic star
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yeah i feel like that should have already been obvious

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i mean how much of an issue was pi before aug was released

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absolutely insane on some specs and completely useless on others feels stupid lol

royal lantern
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i mean, its not ussules

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its still a shitton of stats

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its just, compared to the protagonist classes/specs, yeha then its ussules dracthyr_kek

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can buff the rogue/warrior/hunter/dh/monk and they do more dmg

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or buff the mage and they go SS9 and obliterate everything on the screen

atomic star
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lmao theres that spriest i was talking about in my guild

royal lantern
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tbf, i can understand the concern

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shadowpriest is notorius for beeing a balance disaster victim

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they always jump bettwen absolutely busted, and worst spec in the game

worn sorrel
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The problem is aug mastery

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As thats useless on versa specs

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Imo aug is so broken rn because of all the survivability it gives

gusty breach
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check out sin rogues sims, single target dps spec, being last....and us in keys?

worn sorrel
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No way it has a cheat death with an aoe heal included + massive aoe shield every 2mins

gusty breach
atomic star
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yeah its hard to resist the urge to tell him to quit whining lol

gusty breach
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like link himthis

gusty mirage
jade abyss
gusty breach
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single target sim, max gear, the usual

gusty breach
jade abyss
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Wtf mm hunter with 2 builds lol

royal lantern
gusty breach
jade abyss
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We defeat exsang, so lets bring back kb :)

balmy condor
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don't link anyone that

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using that to complain about raid balance is hella fucking dumb

gusty breach
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i mean, what else can i link?

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i'm open

balmy condor
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link him logs

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but don't compare sims across classes

gusty breach
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ikik

fringe bane
balmy condor
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especially not when they're not all updated

gusty breach
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i aint dooming here, just wild that shadow is complaining

balmy condor
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what am I complaining about

gusty breach
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huh?

balmy condor
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huh?

gusty breach
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this guy

balmy condor
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oh

gusty breach
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said his shadow priest

balmy condor
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yeah fuck ranged dps

gusty breach
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guldie

balmy condor
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they're all clowns

gusty breach
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^

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thats it buddy

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we all in the same bout

balmy condor
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but linking a sim page to him that doesn't mean shit

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makes you a clown too

gusty breach
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it izz what it iz

gusty breach
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join that circus

balmy condor
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what an odd question

gusty breach
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all love

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nothing wrong with helping people smile

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even if you are the joke(or me in this instance)

pseudo hamlet
fringe bane
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Not using vanish then?

pseudo hamlet
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No need to use rupture twice, we're not longer using Exsanguinate

fringe bane
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Okay. I'm I wrong for using garrot twice aswell?

pseudo hamlet
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Yeah, no need to because of the Sepsis.

pseudo hamlet
# fringe bane Not using vanish then?

Vanish boosts your DM garrotes. You should keep vanish for your second(and other) Death Marks. No need to use it in the opener because you are already having empowered garrotes from out-of-stealth cast and then from Sepsis. 😄

fringe bane
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Once the first empowered Garrot runs out, do i then Vanish and Garrot again?

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Or hold it for Second Deathmark

quiet oar
pseudo hamlet
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Never for the first because you are already having empowered garrotes from Sepsis from the opener.

fringe bane
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Cheers. When do i use second Sepsis? Because I'm feeling like I'm doing something wrong there

balmy condor
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sepsis is full on cooldown

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deathmark and sepsis both

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vanish you can move around to fit in

fringe bane
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Vanish > Garrot > Deathmark?

balmy condor
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but you always shiv with sepsis/deathmark, you always sepsis on cooldown, always deathmark on cooldown

balmy condor
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the order doesn't matter

fringe bane
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Do i use Sepsis without Deathmark?

balmy condor
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the 1:30 sepsis should last into your 2 minute deathmark

fringe bane
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I guess I don't need the 20 sec garrot now that exsa is dead?

balmy condor
fringe bane
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I mean sepsis come up like 20 secs before Deathmark, but yea I get your point :p

balmy condor
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30 seconds

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correct

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would suggest reading the faq section on sepsis if you haven't

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or wowhead if that's easier to read

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they go over it in detail

fringe bane
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Okay, i will.

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But if there is only like 5secs back of the empowered Garrot, is it back to use the Deathmark by then?

balmy condor
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I don't understand the question

quiet oar
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But be aware

balmy condor
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the empowered garrotes you get from the sepsis at 1:30

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last into your deathmark at 2:00

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the rest is vanish

quiet oar
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Its the book of Spepsis

blazing jewel
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Was wondering why there were 100+ messages in here in a short span of time

deft flicker
blazing jewel
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Then I saw sepsis get mentioned

quiet oar
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Sepsis

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Plus whispyr

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Its either sepsis or Exsang

blazing jewel
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Kaboom

spice surge
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Now imagine if exsang could speed up sepsis, but i dont think the community is ready for such an innovative change

balmy condor
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I need someone to log a thing for me

blazing jewel
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I vote eleem

spice surge
balmy condor
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which includes the following bad usages of sepsis:

  • no shiv during sepsis
  • using the buff on ambush instead of garrote (both buffs)
  • letting the buff expire (both buffs)
  • using garrote instantly at the start of the second buff

along with one textbook sepsis use

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timing on everything else doesn't matter, just looking for those 5 casts of sepsis, in a single log

blazing jewel
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Why ambush

balmy condor
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Cause I need them

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To check for wowanalyzer

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Make sure things work

limber lion
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Sure thing, I'll log an LFR kill for ya

balmy condor
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dummy works too

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whatever works

limber lion
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Just a moment, just woke up.

balmy condor
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at 3pm?

limber lion
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It's 4pm okay

balmy condor
limber lion
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I was planning on pulling an allnighter but uhm

balmy condor
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seems to have worked out

royal lantern
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a cruel fate

jade abyss
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This discord is sacred place of informations !

spice surge
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Feeling like a health freak buying food from the store, because the options are either the whitest bread imaginable with no vegetables or uber healthy sallads, no inbetweens

jade abyss
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I know only dark bread

limber lion
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It's gonna be a while.

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royal lantern
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white bread sucks

quiet oar
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I mean white bread is just toast bread

royal lantern
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yes

quiet oar
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But we germans are picky when it coms to bread

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Nothing beats a good olld weltmeister bread

slim hamlet
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Reverse engineered baby

spice surge
slim hamlet
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Sourdough banger no matter what

limber lion
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@balmy condor

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First textbook, then the 4 in the order you mentioned

balmy condor
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Perfect thank you

lilac hedge
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
blazing jewel
royal lantern
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do they also count as a DPS, are called by the devs themself "dps that just does dmg differently"?

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serious question btw, never played lost ark

marble hemlock
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a support provides more dps than another dps would

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on top of also providing healing/shields

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and the game has 3 support specs and.... around 30 dps ones, each grp plays 1support 3dps

royal lantern
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sounds bad tbh

cobalt hemlock
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whats the empowered garrote % uptime i should preferably have?

marble hemlock
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i mean, theres a support shortage in pugs but like... theres a healer shortage or tank shortage in wow pugs too peepoShrug

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just feels better having a support that gives you more damage and faster movespeed/attackspeed than playing without one

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augvoker is fine, just needs some tuning. class hasnt even been out 2 weeks (and if we count ptr, not even 2months) so idk why people just want it gone again instead of improved and more support specs added instead. more new shit = good

cobalt hemlock
deft flicker
marble hemlock
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sounds like none of those issues are augvoker related

cobalt hemlock
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i didnt say it was

marble hemlock
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yeah i mean, my issue with the complaints is that most of them are complaining about the wrong thing. if people struggle finding a grp now, they already did so before.

cobalt hemlock
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its selfish in nature but what are they gonna do

royal lantern
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i mean they kinda are, cus i doubt that ~33% of the dps playerbase suddenly wants to be a dedicated mage/warlock simp

marble hemlock
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thats a tuning thing though isnt it? to tune augvoker to be roughly equivalent to another DPS

royal lantern
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and then its still a far better choice cus of tank+healer benefits...?

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like, the Problem is that it does too much

marble hemlock
royal lantern
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seli, are you really comparing ww with aug right now

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like, really?

marble hemlock
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if augvoker were tuned to not be as broken? absolutely, yes

spice surge
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They arent that far off

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In terms of utility

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People just forget about their healing and avoidance a lot

marble hemlock
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augvoker is a numbers issue, not a design issue

royal lantern
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and saying that the healing buff is equal to ~10% armor dr for the tank and shitton of mainstat for a healer that makes healing even more eas

spice surge
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Its 8% more healing

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Its not insignificant

cobalt hemlock
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problem is if they do similar dmg to dps they are broken because of all the defensive stuff and if they do less than dps who would want to invite them unless their goal is to survive more probably a high key issue only

marble hemlock
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WW gives 8% healing and 4% avoidance PepeLa

spice surge
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All monks do, but ye

cobalt hemlock
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well ww is getting buffed so

marble hemlock
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well ye

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like

cobalt hemlock
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outlaw can stay in trash can

marble hemlock
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augvoker is op right now, no argument there. but imo its simply a numbers thing, not a design issue

sweet dawn
marble hemlock
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i think the approach to buff their own damage and reduce their dps support a bit is good too

royal lantern
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im not a DF outlaw fan, but why do you weirdos show up and suddenly bring up outlaw for no reason lol

quiet oar
sweet dawn
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The fact blizz added the "Ebon might gives more in dungeons" passive is good because it lets them tweak aug for M+ and raid separately

marble hemlock
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yep

sweet dawn
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I don't hate OL

marble hemlock
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imo what aug needs is another distinct playstyle

sweet dawn
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pirates are dope

marble hemlock
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where its either really boosting cd-heavy classes or provides good sustained support

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i.e. bard in lost ark has 2 builds, one that drastically boosts their cd-based damage boost, which works well with other high-cd classes, or one that makes their buffs basically have 100% uptime instead

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(but at lower efficacy ofc)

spice surge
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Something like having way lower cd on breath but making it weaker ye

marble hemlock
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ye

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even ebon might could just have

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base duration reduced

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so its not as high baseline uptime

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and then you can talent into "more duration extend but lower benefit"

limber lion
void mesa
#

There's something weird about looking at a log where it goes sepsis-ambush-shiv
It just looks like a wrong keybind slipped in there

odd notch
#

Hi, is there any WA edits for luxthos rogue suite, similiar to whispyr edit to anefar?

#

to fix empowered garrote sepsis interaction

limber lion
#

Huh?

#

Luxthos is literally the one package that has perfect functionality with empowered garrotes and sepsis

#

That's where Whispyr takes his weakauras from

#

Straight from luxthos' package

odd notch
#

what 😮

#

mby i have to update then or something, does not work for me at all

limber lion
#

Yeah would recommend keeping weak auras up to date

#

I use Luxthos' Garrote and Sepsis in my package as well

#

works flawlessly

odd notch
#

Will update then, its def an old install of the WA so hopefully it will fix then. ty for info

#

was update issue, all good now. ty ceverion

limber lion
#

Npnp

kindred oriole
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
idle inlet
#

Did they ignore rogues for balance changes cuz we getting a rework 10.2? Or are we just better than the classes that got buffed?

gusty mirage
#

I mean I wouldn't use the term "ignore"

#

sub's performing really well

#

assassination is the only one that's kinda dogwater

#

but it's also likely getting the most love for 10.2

slim hamlet
#

10.2 gonna be so good

#

I have taken all the Copium I had stockpiled

#

I'm ready

idle inlet
#

Sure not ignore but untouched. Welp I hope maybe they just give it a little bit of loving in 10.1.7 just to tide us over.

vestal wren
#

i still think assassination is in a weird position in DF

#

it was never terrible

#

people found resons to bring it on the last boss in both tiers, valid reasons

slim hamlet
#

Yea

#

and then there is m+

vestal wren
#

but it is also not tuned high enough to be dominant in raiding

slim hamlet
#

Can't even see them in the representation meters 20+

limber lion
slim hamlet
#

Well

#

Stone boy too right?

vestal wren
#

but i remember a lot of ppl switching to sub for raz progression

#

so they didn't play sub for the bosses before it

idle inlet
#

We were good on kurog I think

slim hamlet
#

Outlaw

vestal wren
#

i just think the tier design was not that well suited for the strenghs of the spec

slim hamlet
#

strengths = ST and only ST?

oak sky
#

Last tier sin was good on main platform dathea or boss on broodkeeper

#

And good on raz pre .1.5

slim hamlet
#

Dathea was a fun afk fight for sin rogue

vestal wren
#

execute and single target output

oak sky
#

Its a tuning issue

slim hamlet
#

oh yea

#

Exe too

oak sky
#

Execute is usually only good on like 1 or 2 fights a tier though

#

Most frequently the endboss tho

slim hamlet
#

I mean it is hard to tune M+ as it is now without making sins ST op

#

or having you use CT in ST

vestal wren
#

i mean, i take execute for subtlety if you don't want it on assassination

slim hamlet
#

No

#

Gif

oak sky
#

Nobody said that fuu

#

?

slim hamlet
#

Kingsbane also gave good burst

#

but yea

oak sky
#

I was just saying it isnt universally applicable

#

Like its still good and something we want to have

idle inlet
slim hamlet
#

Yea

#

Maybe

vestal wren
#

i think tuning simply had all 3 too close

#

and outlaw/sub have better access to cleave/aoe talents

#

what was quite good in the raid

slim hamlet
#

I am fine with being niche in ST, but then U can't have the 2 other specs doing basically the same or even more

#

Outlaw and sub doing more in terrok fight starege

vestal wren
#

i am not sure if single target should be a niche

slim hamlet
#

Oh

cobalt hemlock
#

im fine with beeing ST niche spec but the ST actually needs to be good kekdog

slim hamlet
#

Legit exactly what u said

#

Well

idle inlet
#

I'm okay with assa aoe being bad if they we get to be near the top in st and at the top in execute

slim hamlet
#

I like the idea of Sin = ST, outlaw = Cleave and Sub = AOE, but definitely not a common take I think

slim hamlet
idle inlet
#

Warrior execute better

slim hamlet
#

wait

#

yea

oak sky
#

I dont really like that mentality at all to be honest

slim hamlet
#

not even top 5 boss damage

idle inlet
#

We are worse than the other rogue specs in st

cobalt hemlock
#

tbh execute is a warrior niche

slim hamlet
#

unlucky

slim hamlet
oak sky
#

I think every spec should have a strong toolkit that gives them the potential to be strong at different things each tier

cobalt hemlock
#

they literally have the ability execute so its fine that warriors are best at that

slim hamlet
#

Since we have talents being direct exe

vestal wren
#

niches are fine

oak sky
#

Like your baseline "most tiers" being one thing is cool

idle inlet
oak sky
#

But its interesting when every once in a while you get something different

slim hamlet
#

I have heard multiple say that sins niche is having good downtime

#

because u know

#

we have bleeds

#

lol

vestal wren
#

what is good is also dependent on the tier

#

if single target is a niche

#

and raids are designed to be mostly single target

slim hamlet
#

next raid will be 8 target dummies

#

trust

vestal wren
#

a spec that has the best st and a execute mechanic just makes the other 2 on the class not desireable

idle inlet
#

Cuz warrior can do more damage than us in st aoe and execute

slim hamlet
#

Would rather look at the other specs

#

rather than other classes to compare

oak sky
slim hamlet
oak sky
#

Single target always matters but theres usually only 2 actual single target fights in a raid

vestal wren
oak sky
#

Which means

#

The favored specs have good single target while speccing into cleave or light aoe

#

And also have good cleave or light aoe

vestal wren
#

but i think specs in modern wow need to have a similar baseline

#

and have strenghs and weaknesses so that there is a reason to not always play the same

slim hamlet
#

Doesn't UHDK and Demo lock have dogwater cleave and aoe when they take ST?

vestal wren
#

rogue has 3 specs that are very similar

#

this is why we just switch to what is currently tuned the best

slim hamlet
#

hmm

oak sky
slim hamlet
#

only thing similar is energy, CP and defensives right

oak sky
#

They get broken pi 3 minute windows

vestal wren
slim hamlet
#

oh yea pi

#

ahah

oak sky
#

But so are most specs

slim hamlet
#

yea

#

isnt like every single spec that

#

idk evoker

idle inlet
slim hamlet
#

frost dk is

#

you build and spend

oak sky
#

Breath frost dk is different

slim hamlet
#

frost mage is in a way but yea different

oak sky
#

Frost mage is the least builder spender based spec overall

#

Definitely

slim hamlet
#

probably

vestal wren
#

it is not that similar anymore in 10.1.5 but

image.png
slim hamlet
#

you just "build" procs and spike thingies

vestal wren
#

all 3 specs still have very similar damage patterns

oak sky
#

Yeah i was gonna say damage profiles are similar on rogue

slim hamlet
#

or

#

like

#

ability wise

oak sky
#

Abilities are never gonna be too similar but i mean

#

Base loop is spam filler spam main finisher

#

Press ambush when the case calls for it

vestal wren
#

just for some contrast

image.png
#

mage

slim hamlet
#

Why doesn't Sin have the CP generation on FoK like subs SS

oak sky
slim hamlet
#

Mage is giga different tbf

slim hamlet
vestal wren
#

yes, thats my point

slim hamlet
#

Very happy about that difference

oak sky
#

Just play sub

vestal wren
#

and this is good, it means you have a chance to play the specs depending in what you need

#

(assuming balance is not too bad)

oak sky
#

Fok with seal fate slows down generation so its harder to spam everything at low targets

slim hamlet
#

Yea good if u like changing

oak sky
#

Makes you have to set shit up

#

Or at least it kinda did before ic

#

Ramp up into your damage

slim hamlet
#

what damage?

oak sky
#

The damage from 9.1

vestal wren
#

i think there is a good argument to make sub/sin closer in gameplay

#

but also it might blur the line between the two

oak sky
#

Either remove one or make them different

#

Sorry

vestal wren
#

!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
slim hamlet
#

Would rather not be like sub in aoe tbh

oak sky
#

Sub isnt even that bad in aoe anymore

slim hamlet
#

2 abilities outside SD

oak sky
#

Sub is a better bleed spec than sin in aoe

slim hamlet
#

Dance hard carries the fun of that spec

#

Yea have been begging for the double rup talent for a while

#

Would instantly make it feel better, specially when IC is on CD

vestal wren
#

i do think both sin/sub share the same problem in aoe

idle inlet
oak sky
#

It wouldnt even be good

slim hamlet
vestal wren
#

the only spec with a different concept gameplay wise is outlaw

slim hamlet
oak sky
#

I mean nah bro

vestal wren
#

an outlaw ,very simplified, continues with the single target rotation

slim hamlet
#

Tell me why it would be bad

#

Tell me how it could ever be bad to spread bleeds faster if big pulling or ahving something when IC is on CD

oak sky
#

Because mobs need to live 40+ seconds for you to get value on your refreshes and then ic comes back anyways

#

Personally i would be much happier with no ic and just double ruptures

vestal wren
#

so subtlety?

slim hamlet
#

lol

#

how would u comp buff it then

#

without making op in ST

#

IC hard carries right now, it does everything

vestal wren
#

making IC easier to take

#

would be a good start point i think

oak sky
#

Either way you have full uptime on rupture

slim hamlet
#

He said he would like it deleted

slim hamlet
#

what about the 10 more abilities u save with IC

vestal wren
slim hamlet
#

what about Iron wire

oak sky
#

Almost like iron wire was good in shadowlands if you dared to play sin

slim hamlet
#

I would like it too, but u would need to rebalance somehow

oak sky
#

Despite not getting it en masse every 45 seconds

slim hamlet
#

Yea sure

#

Lets take this spec thats dogwater

#

and take the best thing away

#

and not rebalance

oak sky
#

The best thing that makes you have a 2 button spam rotation after 5 seconds of setup or what

#

And rebalancing isnt my job

#

I'm not a dev

slim hamlet
#

Yea

oak sky
#

And besides ic isnt going anywhere

#

Dont get it twisted

deft flicker
#

Give sin crimson powder

slim hamlet
#

Realz directly asked in here how we felt about IC

oak sky
#

And outside all that i was way more excited about ic as a longer cd

slim hamlet
#

So who knows

oak sky
#

So realistically it stays for the casuals

slim hamlet
#

I like it 🙂

oak sky
#

Or not even dislike

slim hamlet
#

I dont consider myself casual

oak sky
#

Its not a dislike

#

Its more of a "i wish we could still multidot"

slim hamlet
#

I would like it to be weaker and 30 sec, so you have it for every pack

#

either that or completely changed

oak sky
#

I would prefer it as like a 3 minute that hits every mob or some shit

vestal wren
#

i am not judging, but isn't multi dotting a core fantasy of the spec

slim hamlet
#

worst part for me is going into a pack without IC

oak sky
#

Then i get my multidot in between

#

They can tune bleeds higher because its harder to apply them

#

And then when you have it up you just juice

vestal wren
#

a lot of the skill expression of assassination in AoE before DF was to keep bleeds running on multiple mobs

oak sky
#

But that isnt happening so it doesnt matter

gusty mirage
oak sky
#

^^^^

slim hamlet
oak sky
runic hinge
#

It’s also too slow

gusty mirage
#

so here's the issue then

runic hinge
#

When half the specs in the game can puke out their aoe combo before you have 3 ruptures out

gusty mirage
#

if you remove CT, what do you replace it with

#

an instant damage finisher?

slim hamlet
#

Dont remove it

#

🙂

deft flicker
oak sky
gusty mirage
#

because your fok doesn't generate max cp all the time

slim hamlet
#

xd

gusty mirage
#

so it's sub

#

but worse

#

in every single way

slim hamlet
#

I believe Realz is cooking some good food for us in 10.2

oak sky
#

Of course he is

vestal wren
#

yes, lets:

  • make fok generate cp per target hit
  • replace CT by a direct amage AOE finisher
  • add a mechanic to have rupture spread
slim hamlet
#

I fully believe

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
#

how do you make CT good without making it mandatory in ST

slim hamlet
#

Sure sounds like outlaw starege

gusty mirage
#

that's the issue

slim hamlet
#

Yea

deft flicker
gusty mirage
#

tbh

slim hamlet
#

Buff CT, oh damn now take CT in ST

oak sky
#

I'm sure realz will come up with some good stuff

gusty mirage
#

assassination needs a complete overhaul

#

from the ground up

#

something beyond 10.2

slim hamlet
#

Not easy to balance this

oak sky
#

Agree

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
#

but the problem is the instant damage portion isn't even impressive

oak sky
vestal wren
#

i like the idea

gusty mirage
#

the dot does the most damage lmao

slim hamlet
#

True

vestal wren
#

ramping dots

slim hamlet
#

Just never think about envenom uptime again

gusty mirage
#

you did not just suggest malefic rapture Starege

#

no ty

#

keep that shit away

agile osprey
#

Melee warlock despairge

deft flicker
vestal wren
#

why not

slim hamlet
#

AOE exsang exsangyay

gusty mirage
#

because warlocks hated malefic rapture

vestal wren
#

lets take inspiration from wl or feral

gusty mirage
#

it was one of the most hated abilities in the game

oak sky
#

Feral has the best bleed toolkit

#

Objectively

#

Or dot even

slim hamlet
#

Everytime you use CT on a target with CT, consume 3 sec (or whatever) of any other bleeds on the target

#

would make you have to multi dot a lot

oak sky
#

Yeah i fuck with that

gusty mirage
#

I think my favorite thing is how everyone just hates IC now

deft flicker
# vestal wren why not

Sounds nice, but idk if it solves sin’s issue of damage being too backloaded (which is more of an environment problem maybe)

gusty mirage
#

because it removes the skill of pressing fok and pushing rupture

#

then tabbing

oak sky
#

Hate is a strong word

gusty mirage
#

and doing the same thing

silk bane
gusty mirage
vestal wren
#

a easy solution to make assassination good atm

gusty mirage
#

that would affect only the instant damage portion

#

not the dot

vestal wren
#

is to just buff garrote and rupture damage

slim hamlet
#

I still like IC, many hate because "wwhere muh multi dot" but then my idea would make it fine I think

gusty mirage
#

and the majority of the damage is the dot

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
#

how

#

lol

silk bane
#

oh it oculd effect both, like CT (instnat + dot) could do x damage

slim hamlet
#

just do it oxi

silk bane
#

then in 2 target it does 1.5X and u just say 10% is instnat and 90% is dot

oak sky
silk bane
#

now it effects both

slim hamlet
#

I like both Armins idea and mine tbh

oak sky
#

Could just be scent of ct

slim hamlet
#

I think mine would feel much better, but would also make it stressful for never players

oak sky
#

But not agi just ct damage

gusty mirage
deft flicker
#

What if CT becomes an empower

slim hamlet
#

huh

gusty mirage
#

I suppose you could make scent also buff CT damage

#

but like

#

then you're just spamming CT over and over and over and over again

vestal wren
gusty mirage
#

that doesn't sound very fun

idle inlet
oak sky
#

It could only buff dot damage no?

vestal wren
oak sky
#

Boringg

gusty mirage
#

we take old ideas that are good

#

and we throw them in the garbage

#

hello?

silk bane
#

idk though, personally I wanted CT to basically be like Kassadin R from league. it gains stacks, the higher the stack the stonkier the damage, but also drains your entire energy bar, so this requries you to keep alld ots up so u can regen the energy. but then you rip another high stack CT, burn throught he bar and build dots up while u gain energy for another ct

gusty mirage
#

why is it always league players with the most cooked takes

#

and it always starts like "I want x to be like X from league"

earnest remnant
#

Could rework the Way ct calculates its dmg so the dot is a % of the Instant dmg. That Way it Can work with target scaling @gusty mirage

silk bane
#

okay but it actually oculd work though!

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

Never had so many questions than when I began playing it

#

but sounds cool

silk bane
#

just lemme cook man

deft flicker
#

How about you just make CT like a shovel from Doctor Whostarege

slim hamlet
#

What if

#

Garrote just instantly kills the enemy

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

because u know we suffocate them

gusty mirage
#

yeah that could work

#

would be a decent alternative

oak sky
#

Doomblade wooooo

#

I love doomblade

vestal wren
#

what if we buff PB

slim hamlet
#

idek what it is

#

too zoomer for that

silk bane
slim hamlet
#

what he said

vestal wren
oak sky
#

No we only have the bad part

#

💀

#

Gotta love blizzard

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
vestal wren
cobalt hemlock
#

we played that in castlenathria i think

slim hamlet
gusty mirage
#

lol

slim hamlet
#

oh nvm

gusty mirage
#

zooming back to legion

slim hamlet
#

on the target

oak sky
slim hamlet
#

thought it was all targets

vestal wren
oak sky
#

Doomblade is on the tree

#

Rn

#

But only the bleed

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
#

without the good thing

gusty mirage
#

people loved beacon until they realized that rng isn't always in their favor

#

and they crit 0 beacons with 50% crit

cobalt hemlock
gusty mirage
#

now everyone hates beacon

oak sky
#

Yeah like a week or 2 in

vestal wren
#

there is a easy solution for that

#

just crit more

idle inlet
gusty mirage
#

true

oak sky
#

Unreal

gusty mirage
#

62% crit with planned execution @vestal wren 0/3 crits on my beacon on rashok Okay

#

very fun trinket

#

thanks item team

#

all the trinkets are rng dogshit

vestal wren
gusty mirage
#

just like all our enchants

vestal wren
#

basically dead

gusty mirage
#

any 7s sophic devotion uptime enjoyers?

deft flicker
ashen rover
#

I love rng I love rng I love rng

oak sky
#

Bring back shitty enchants that give you no damage

gusty mirage
#

one night I just couldn't crit opening beacon on nelth so I stopped tricksing

#

then like 15 pulls in

#

I crit my beacon for 1.4 million

#

and echo deleted me

#

lol

oak sky
#

Really fun

ashen rover
gusty mirage
#

everything in this expac is rppm it seems

#

and it's just fucking annoying

slim hamlet
#

just proc?

oak sky
#

Shadowlands enchants were better

#

Low power high proc

vestal wren
#

think thats fine

gusty mirage
vestal wren
#

having impact from rng means skill expression is less noticable

gusty mirage
#

which is terrible

#

it's better for the casual andy killing rares in zaralek cavern

oak sky
#

Is it even

gusty mirage
#

it's terrible for people who want the skill expression

vestal wren
#

it means logs are less expressive

oak sky
#

Casual andy cant measure where his damage comes from

gusty mirage
#

I don't want rppm procs to determine a big chunk of my damage

#

that's not fun lol

oak sky
#

He doesnt see the proc and just thinks his damage is sick

#

Then he fails soloing a rare

#

And wonders why

gusty mirage
#

dog aint no one soloing rares in zaralek

#

those mfers spawn with like 7 million health

oak sky
#

I mean yeah i made it up

slim hamlet
#

more than that

#

7 quadrillion

vestal wren
#

externals and rng do mean logs are less relevant

oak sky
#

Hes soloing some elites or whatever

gusty mirage
vestal wren
#

allows more players to participate in raiding

slim hamlet
#

I love PI 🙂

oak sky
gusty mirage
#

they want parse culture to die

slim hamlet
#

lol

gusty mirage
#

but here's the problem with that fuu

slim hamlet
#

When parse dies the endgame dies

gusty mirage
#

if parsing well becomes an rng fiesta, the upper echelon that will play even in a content drought

#

will stop logging in

slim hamlet
#

all people care about

gusty mirage
#

they'll clear the raid

white bone
#

I’m in desperate need of some armory’s! So I can follow some examples, can anyone help me out with some high gear?

gusty mirage
#

and then never play until the next tier

vestal wren
#

or

#

maybe we just build better tooling

slim hamlet
#

def

cobalt hemlock
#

do you think there could be a way where haste would be good for us

#

like pi wont be better for tanks than us

gusty mirage
oak sky
#

Yeah just wait a few tiers something will randomly make it good

white bone
#

I just need an example in the form of an armory, can’t read loggs propperly lil

vestal wren
#

tbh

gusty mirage
#

yeah but what is the gear profile going to tell you

#

what's the answer you're trying to find exactly

vestal wren
#

i think even priests would celebrate if PI was removed

slim hamlet
#

less raid spots

#

so dont think so

gusty mirage
oak sky
#

Idk why

gusty mirage
#

the fact that twins made it in as a talent

oak sky
#

Healers didnt care that much about pi and didnt shadow hate giving it up