assassination

[oak sky]

His name is kyle

[gusty mirage]

no you're ruining his actual long game plan rn

he has a meme where they're trying to convince some dude that he's actually a girl

[blazing jewel]

the plan that was made without telling me

[gusty mirage]

and you in here talking in pronouns

smh

[oak sky]

Crazy

[gusty mirage]

tbf the person it involves is unhinged as fuck

as you would expect from a former grey raider

[oak sky]

[blazing jewel]

im going back to my og pic

[oak sky]

Rip

[blazing jewel]

oxis my e kitten

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

were back to the og now

[balmy condor]

I don't like it

[blazing jewel]

y

[balmy condor]

it's different

and I don't like change

[blazing jewel]

okay true

[gaunt moat]

That's too many people in 1 avatar pic

[gusty mirage]

he also doesn't like you

he forgot to mention that

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

its ok

I changed mine too

see if he notices

[balmy condor]

I noticed

[gusty mirage]

can't wait for merry chrysler time

so I can swap to this one:

[blazing jewel]

whispyr your turn

swap to something

[gilded oasis]

this is madness

[balmy condor]

I will not

[oak sky]

Bis

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kyle-is-it-madness-gif-21929710

[keen spruce]

yes chef

[strange python]

Why didn't you bless my sark where I got 0 suffering procs the entire pull.

Entire P1**

[keen spruce]

you didn't ask

or

[strange python]

Bless my sark next week for 100% suffering uptime.

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[gilded oasis]

man rio ate my uldaman. -10 self-esteem

[gusty mirage]

okay

brag about having self esteem

must be nice

[gilded oasis]

I only had 5 now I have -5

[main vessel]

still waiting for Sepsis PR

[balmy condor]

[signal ridge]

anyone else like deadly poison

[drifting cloud]

one of the poisons of all time

[signal ridge]

remember whe it stacked

goodtimes...

[bronze pike]

New talent idea

Old deadly poison

“It stacks” ty ty my genius can’t be contained especially when I think of these original and cool ideas all by myself

[deft flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1045092941129072680.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[uncut wasp]

Hey there, so ive got call, bomb and loaded dice. According to wowheaf call and bomb are S tier, yet when i sim loaded dice far outsims my call

The call and bomb are 441 and dice is 434

Is the sims accurate? Or is loaded dice a sim trap? All these conflicting messages is confusing the hell out of me 😆

[blazing jewel]

Ignore tier lists

Trust sims

[uncut wasp]

Fair enough and what about stat prios? Haste isnt very good for sin is it?

[blazing jewel]

Also a sim thing lol

[uncut wasp]

Yet it the sims take hast gear over crit/mas

[blazing jewel]

Most profiles want a little bit of haste but it’s not the stat you stack the most of

Idk the exact crit stat number but with runes + rage phial I was at 47%ish and it started pulling crit off and getting haste master

[uncut wasp]

Im on 34 crit, 14 vers, 53 mast and 6 haste

[blazing jewel]

Thing of guides/tier lists as a rough guideline but sims are always accurate for your character

Well “always” sometimes new items are off but that’s usually resolved quickly

[uncut wasp]

Fair enoufh

Ive got the haste trinket from the mega dungeon too

But that seems to sim way too high for what it does

[blazing jewel]

The haste with the damage proc?

[uncut wasp]

Yea

[blazing jewel]

That one is pretty good for sin

[uncut wasp]

O fml

More trinkets xD

[blazing jewel]

I believe if you sim on latest

It’s accurate but I’m not 100% on that

It was over simming a bit

[uncut wasp]

aa okay, thought the new ones werent implemented just yet

[blazing jewel]

There are pins in here for all the new stuff

[uncut wasp]

Ill have a look thanks

With regards to the trinkets tho, im assuming the same logic applies to simming for keys?

Trust the sims?

[blazing jewel]

Dslice sim is decent

But keys are a little different like if you want more st for tyran stuff like that

Can look at top rio keys of x spec for a good idea of what’s the best

[uncut wasp]

In the past ive always just run ST sims and went with that in keys aswell

Dont do higher then 21/22s anyway

Yea i might actually have a look

but coming back to trinkets

The Accelerating Sandglass however was oversimming. It should now sim properly and is no longer considered BiS. It's still okay, but loses to the previous Bomb Dispenser + Nelth/Essence/Dice/Beacon combos.

yet my sandglass is beating them all >.>

[royal lantern]

are you using latest sim?

[uncut wasp]

yea

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iATCvt7DzEiwXt4phe7tMG

super confusing

[spice surge]

Thats mostly referring bis/close to bis setups, seeing as you only have a normal neltharion trinket its not unreasonable for it to be outclasses

[uncut wasp]

Yea, fair enough

makes sense

Thanks

[sick aspen]

Is the mirror of fractured tomorrows any good for us?

[limber lion]

pins

[sick aspen]

ah oops, ty

[flint lotus]

Question: I'm using Raidbots to sim my dps. How do I sim Wound Poison as one of my lethal poisons.

[balmy condor]

You don’t

Using wound poison is a huge dps loss

You would never do that

[flint lotus]

I understand that. My raid leader is asking me to use it on Sark. I would like to to sim it to see what the dps loss is,

[balmy condor]

You’d have to change it through the APL

Which is rough

It about 6%

But I’m begging you

Do not use wound

[copper hazel]

tell your raid leader he is a baffoon

[balmy condor]

Use a demon hunter or a warrior to heal block

It’s stronger as well

[flint lotus]

I will suggest that

thanks

[balmy condor]

Send your raid lead to me if need be

[deft flicker]

Is it a big loss for the other 2 specs as well??

[balmy condor]

I have words for raid leads that troll

[balmy condor]

Yes, but it’s closer to like 1.5-2% for them

[blazing jewel]

It’s not really a loss on dh a ton of them play it

[balmy condor]

Because instant poison sucks, and they don’t scale poison damage

[flint lotus]

we might try it on a few pulls to see how it goes...dps isnt an issue for our group

[blazing jewel]

Are you in heroic or mythic

[flint lotus]

heroic

[blazing jewel]

Another option

Is if you have a Druid ursols the adds

Then typhoon them into the puddle

They will have the healing taken off and then snap back outside of the puddle

[flint lotus]

thanks for the suggestions. I will pass them along

[vapid sierra]

You don’t

Mine told me to also

If you can’t kill adds then somethings wrong with the raid comp

[fringe oxide]

Tanks can keep the adds where they spawn and the healing buff will dissappear. If not they can drag them through the circles. I think it's an tactics change that would do the most for you. I hope your raid leader is open-minded.

[royal lantern]

the S word out of your mouth

so you are saying

assassination is

scaling?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal lantern]

ASSA POISON SCALING META IN 10.3 INCOMMING

[blazing jewel]

Scale this

[gusty mirage]

Omw

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

[quasi pine]

Yooo finnally a good news for assa, when is the exsang rework tho?

[royal lantern]

dont rework exsang

just forget that it exists

world is in a better place without it

[quasi pine]

Nah, I love my baby too much

Wont let it rot in hell for not even committing a sin

[royal lantern]

yeha sorry, but your baby is spreading missinformation on the internet

[quasi pine]

[blazing jewel]

HEY GUYS I LOVE EXSANG

[quasi pine]

Blizzard taketh

[quasi pine]

Exsang gant rise up???

[blazing jewel]

HEY GUYS I LOVED WHEN I FOUND OUT EXSANG WAS BUGGED ONLY AFTER I EMBARRASSED MYSELF TRYING IT ON SARK

@royal lantern I blame this guy

[limber lion]

get rekt

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-pleasure-keanu-reeves-its-a-pleasure-thank-you-gif-18395277

[blazing jewel]

Go fix aug bug finder

[limber lion]

I've been trying to fight against externals for the better past of 4 years. I respectfully conceded the second I heard Augmentation is a thing.

[blazing jewel]

Just wait for potion master rogue or some cooked stuff like that

I’ll vote you lead TC for it

[gusty mirage]

Go back to bed

[balmy condor]

What if there was a fourth rogue spec, and it couldn’t use daggers, but if threw poison vials, and the damage was based on its health or something

And you could take a talent that throws more of them

And it would make them overlap

And the overlap would do more damage

[open reef]

Use fok to spread vials aoe

[balmy condor]

And then you could give it an ability that stores poison damage done, and you can activate it

And then run around

[oak sky]

What if there was a rogue spec called combat

[balmy condor]

And it just has a poison aura

[gusty mirage]

just play poison concoction in poe bro

[balmy condor]

That’s the joke

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Yeah vial rogue could be a ranged spec

And use 2 off hands

Instead of daggers

Firee

[rare jackal]

based

plague doctor spec when

[blazing jewel]

Oxington listen here man

[royal lantern]

what if blizz has 2working braincells and just goes back from.the entire idea because its legit the death of the Game

oh wait, that would take 2braincells

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't mind to have 1 tank 1 healer 1 support 2 dps as a baseline concept

[balmy condor]

Best I can do is 1 prot Paladin 4 augvokers

[silk bane]

aug is sick. killing rashok in 20 seconds is sick. gimme gimme more

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VrhXkYGC4cD1ZJmf#fight=16

[balmy condor]

The way god intended

[subtle tundra]

They would have to rework specs into support which they said they wouldn't do

[vestal wren]

then just nerf avoker to be subtlety bfa

remove utility, and damage

so it can have the same fate 🙂

[silk bane]

makee aug empotional support spec. does pretty dances and looks cool to motivate your group to kill bosses

[balmy condor]

Remove all the damage from augvoker

But make it so that augvoker changes boss mechanics to be clearly visible hitboxes

Might be a buff actually

[quiet oar]

I would take that

[balmy condor]

Nelth bomb being a radiating circle with 3 fucking lines

Who came up with something that stupid

What the fuck is that

I count 3 bombs

But 8 lines

????????

[vapid sierra]

I don’t even know what I’m looking at

[balmy condor]

Actually terrible

[gusty mirage]

too strong

[silk bane]

game working as intended.

[balmy condor]

Those are the bombs

[gusty mirage]

the hardest mechanics in the game are the circle indicators that aren't the actual boundary of the spell

like the stomps of the crushers in FH

[balmy condor]

Love swirlies that just have an opacity fade on the edges

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

So you can’t tell if it’s a swirly that’s bigger than the swirly

Or a swirly that’s smaller than the swirly

[gusty mirage]

visual clarity is 10/10

as much as we hype up blizzard's art team

who the fuck decides the color scheme of abilities

"oh gray floor? gray visuals for EVERY mechanic"

they out here trying to grief @spice spire for being color blind

because everything is gray to him

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Castle nathria is a red raid, so we have to have red abilities

Because it’s thematic

And visually impressive

:3

Never mind that you can’t see fucking shit on denathrius

[gusty mirage]

its okay it only took them like 3 months to make the swirlies bright orange instead of red

[limber lion]

it's part of the difficulty

easy mechanic, impossible to see

💃

[gusty mirage]

true

my fav is the mechanics that clip into the ground

so you can't see them at all

[balmy condor]

Stairs

Where you see half the swirly

And then just have to guess

[gusty mirage]

stairs and rugs

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

oh and that uldaman boss

where the fire circles clip into the metal grate

so you couldn't see them before they put little tornados

[balmy condor]

Bro remember sanguine puddles under the rug of what was that dungeon

[gusty mirage]

lower kara

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Kara

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

accidentally walk onto a rug into like 7 stacks of sanguine

and just die

[balmy condor]

A red rug

With red sanguine underneath

It’s okay

[gusty mirage]

speaking of funky dungeons

[balmy condor]

You can ping it next patch

[gusty mirage]

did they ever fix the flying ziggaraut in that bastion dungeon

necrotic wake

that one

[balmy condor]

Danger!

Danger!

[void mesa]

Pings are meant ??? Ping people dying on mechs

[gusty mirage]

I remember frost mage and destro lock

just didn't work up there

at all

[balmy condor]

That’s gotta be a slur

[gusty mirage]

it could be

its referencing SL

that entire expac was a slur

[balmy condor]

What the fuck is a ziggaraut

[gusty mirage]

a mispelled word

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[void mesa]

Ziggarrote??

[balmy condor]

Sir that’s a necropolis

[gusty mirage]

dog

those were ziggurats in wc3

get off my lawn ya damn zoomer

[balmy condor]

Yeah we had different words for people in the 1920’s as well

[gusty mirage]

the scourge had a voiceline to build more ziggurats in wc3

[spice spire]

Dude has been In Germany for 5 days and is wildin out

[gusty mirage]

bro leave me alone

english is a 2nd language

[quiet oar]

Stop right here

[gusty mirage]

stop bullying me

tf

[quiet oar]

We germans dont talk about that

[vestal wren]

if blizz introduces a new support#dps role

[quiet oar]

Discipline will be next

For support

[vestal wren]

they would probably need to add a support spec to all pure dps

[spice spire]

Sub seems like a support class

They’re sub after all

[gusty mirage]

maybe they can expand it from mechanic visuals to tooltips actually reflecting what they actually to do vs what they're supposed to do

[cobalt hemlock]

assasination is ass subtlety is the sub and outlaw is out lol

[vestal wren]

the role is a dps role

support basically removes a dps seat, so it would make more sense to allow pure dps specs to work in it

because this would not change the overall distribution between dps/tanks/healer

[quiet oar]

Yeah i guess

Survival

Supports

Survival

bam

[thorn fjord]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q1LH3XrARabfPYGB#fight=17&type=damage-done&translate=true

[silk bane]

here you go, watch the kills here. 13 S magmorax game working as intended sub funnel too strong better nerf it or it makes bosses too easy
https://m.twitch.tv/b1cepspump/clip/CreativeBillowingClipsmomRitzMitz-mDm217GF1g8gzqFD

aright thats my last of the month. im back to being a good boi now. #reformed

[thorn fjord]

Nice lol

[quiet oar]

I mean Sub funnel at zul was broken

[thorn fjord]

That is so ridiculous

[quiet oar]

but this is beyond broken

[royal lantern]

everyone that says that is legit braindead

"omg my dps brain cant understand that disc is just a fancy restoration druid, rework pls omg"

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-capping-cappin-gif-15667706

[quiet oar]

Its not about that

But Priest having 2 Heal Spec

idk doesnt feel right

[royal lantern]

??????

[thorn fjord]

Its a priest lol

[vestal wren]

can understand

[royal lantern]

rogue has 3dps specs, make outlaw tank and sub healer

lol

[vestal wren]

its like dps specs with more than 1 dps spec

[quiet oar]

Thats a totally diffrent thing

[gilded oasis]

the good ol days

[quiet oar]

wdym

[royal lantern]

?????????

[vestal wren]

rogue should only have 1 dps spec ofc

[royal lantern]

WHY???

holy and disc fill entirely different healing niches

[thorn fjord]

Give locks a heal spec too while you're at it

[quiet oar]

Yeah

Fuck warlocks

get them heal spec

[royal lantern]

people that dont know anything about healers talking about disc always brings the worst takes

always

[quiet oar]

Give us dodge tank sepc

[vestal wren]

to be fair

every class with competing specs can have arguments about what is relevant

sv hunter and feral both are specs that are heavily underplayed

[quiet oar]

But thats because range -> melee

[silk bane]

unironically thatd be cool! imagine theyd have some sort of healing spec where they healed u with fel and shit but it had negative effects. like idk it buffs your damage but you los character control for 2 seconds afte x seconds or something

[quiet oar]

Most hunter dont like to be melee

[vestal wren]

yes

[gilded oasis]

most ranged dont like to be melee.. Unless its unconvenient for melee then I cant get them the hell out of melee

[vestal wren]

one of the wfr leaders did talk about it iirc

that (most of) their ranged dps did not perform that well when send on the melee specs

[royal lantern]

thats the case for litearlly every longtime ranged player going melee lmao

[vestal wren]

yes, it is completely sound

[royal lantern]

when wrong positiong means "you die or cant do dmg for 30years" instead of "you miss 1cast"

the ranged brain just fries

[vestal wren]

melee/ranged are diffrent enough to require diffrent skillsets

[quiet oar]

Yeah

Range is more about planning you position etc.

[royal lantern]

tbf

not really that much anymore

[quiet oar]

Yeah because every range has some instant filler for that

but in raid, ranges have more mechanics to play tbh

[royal lantern]

movment became from "you do no dmg" to a minor inconvinience at best when all ranged dps have 2000instant cast procs/skills and some of the best mobility tolls anyway

and when all ranged mechanics turned into "1 hunter does them solo so the warlock/mage can stand still and do dmg"

[fleet whale]

and now mages don't even have to worry about RoP anymore
and tbf, RoP should've been removed a long time ago

[royal lantern]

RoP hate was so massively overblown lol

[quiet oar]

Just like parry

[fleet whale]

nah, i get the rop hate

[vestal wren]

mage is in general in a fun position

[royal lantern]

like, monks have faeline stomp, which is 20x worse then RoP

lol

[vestal wren]

with having near infinite defensives

[royal lantern]

AND THEY JUST GOT MORE

[vestal wren]

thats what i mean

[royal lantern]

WHEN MAGE WAS ALLREADY THE #1 DEFFENSIVE CLASS

[quiet oar]

no

We an warlocks are

[vestal wren]

rogue: "you can't even have the same utility you had before DF"
mage: "lets just add a little more"

[quiet oar]

Or my mage member were shit

Becuase they were so squishy

[royal lantern]

they are shit

lol

[quiet oar]

on most encounters

[fleet whale]

yeah but we have shroud and atrophic so that means we have busted utility apparently

[royal lantern]

mage has 20000deffensive abilits lol

mage has

best immunity with iceblock

full hp heal+mobility with alter time

barriers that also heal them when barriers take dmg and reduce magic dmg taken as arcane

mirror images, a 45sec 15% dr on a 2min cd

[quiet oar]

I mean it depends maybe on the DMG intake

[royal lantern]

and now also aoe shields

[quiet oar]

But at rashok

Feint is OP AF

[royal lantern]

rashok is the 1 fight where rogue is not paper this tier

[quiet oar]

Echo

[royal lantern]

rogue is extremely situational with its deffensive

either strong

or 1 of the worst in the game

[quiet oar]

Idk

[royal lantern]

and blizz is going more and more into the direction of the 2nd thing

[fleet whale]

it seems with each passing raid tier

[quiet oar]

Rogue is pretty tanky

[fleet whale]

feint and cloak work on less and less things

[vestal wren]

rogue has cheat death

[quiet oar]

yeah

[vestal wren]

mage has the same kinda

[royal lantern]

wdym idk lol

if cloak doesnt work and feint doesnt work, you have nothing

[vestal wren]

evasion^^

[royal lantern]

play p1 sark as rogue and have fun

0 deffensives

[vestal wren]

can skill in elusivness

[royal lantern]

full mercy of the healers

[quiet oar]

You can literally feint the beam

and breath

[proven jasper]

No defensives when most of the damage is going out

[quiet oar]

not the dots

obv

[royal lantern]

good thing that the entire dmg comes from the dots

[proven jasper]

^

[quiet oar]

To say Rogue is bad at defensive

[royal lantern]

sark p1 as rogue:

pull boss

use feint for the breath+a health potion cus you need cloak for the aoe at the end or it will kill you

thats it

you are done

[quiet oar]

Rogues literally never die

[royal lantern]

good deffensives btw

[fleet whale]

it's not so much rogues have bad defensives

it's just not nearly as good as it was in the past

[royal lantern]

^

[quiet oar]

Maybe its because it have 30% vers

maybe thats a difference between assa and sub

[fleet whale]

while other specs have gotten stronger defensives

[vestal wren]

most other classes have additional HP in the tree

[royal lantern]

rogue is like, middle of the pack deffensive wise at this point

[vestal wren]

rogue has not

[fleet whale]

outlaw does i think

but that's one spec

[vestal wren]

healing is quite terrible on rogue

[fleet whale]

they nerfed leeching for no reason

[vestal wren]

it makes us cooldown dependent

[proven jasper]

Im at 440 ilvl not even 500khp

[quiet oar]

Maybe i feel too good about our defensive

[fleet whale]

vial is a shadow of itself

[vestal wren]

basically feint, cloak and evasion

[quiet oar]

Because i literally never die most of the time

[vestal wren]

cheat death is probably a big reason for it

[royal lantern]

"rogue has insane deffensives" is on the same level as "sub has great funnel"

maybe during legion yes, not in 2023, wake up and see the current game

[vestal wren]

but this tier has quite some mechanics you would assume you survive that don't work on cloak

enrage on rashock, lets cloak

oh, cloak does not work?

[proven jasper]

Give vial an instant heal

[vestal wren]

vial was nerfed in SL

[fleet whale]

remember when vial gave a DR wall in Legion for assassin

[vestal wren]

healing effect was halved

[fleet whale]

cause of that artifact trait

[gusty mirage]

but itso kay

they buffed the interval

that makes up for it

[royal lantern]

which was mindblowing cus it was allready bad back then

like

[vestal wren]

SL was supposed to add a compensation in terms of pickpocket items that give you extra effects

[royal lantern]

bruh its vial

[proven jasper]

That sounds so juicy

[gusty mirage]

also we'll get to pickpocket buffs for it any time now @vestal wren

ANY DAY

coming in SL btw

[fleet whale]

would rather have recup back honestly to replace Vial, or make it a talent maybe

[royal lantern]

if vial had the assa legion trait with a DR attached? sure i could understand the healing cut in some way

but just nerfing motherfucking CRIMSON VIAL was just so weird

[vestal wren]

i don't think every class needs to have good self heal or defensives

[royal lantern]

ofc not

[vestal wren]

but lets say it this way

i get regular dms of leveling palyers

who ask why they die all the time

[quiet oar]

Yeah thats what i noticed. Cloak isnt that OP anymore

[gusty mirage]

bro it's coming any day now

just be patient

[vestal wren]

warrior, dk and other melee dps don't have this problem

[gusty mirage]

they announced it at blizzconline

[fleet whale]

ret pallies have great self heals too

for leveling anyway

[gusty mirage]

ret pally is legit invincible unless they're absolute potatoes

[vestal wren]

i actually think rogue is one of the worse leveling experience

[gusty mirage]

if you die to mechanics as a ret pally you actually just suck

lmfao

[fleet whale]

and yes ret's damage isn't exactly op but they are a literal swiss army knife of utility

[spice surge]

Obviously not leveling related, but here are the stats for how "squishy" a class spec is based on how many times they die in logs

[proven jasper]

Shamans the like one other class i feel bad for

Actually 1 defensive lmao

[gusty mirage]

hunters are pretty yikes

isn't exhilaration like a 3min cd reduced by focus spent

or some stupid shit like that

[vestal wren]

hunters have a pet

so they are not that bad in solo content

[gusty mirage]

yeah the spirit beast that randomly heals, and then the other one that gives survival instincts or whatever

but in a raid environment

[fleet whale]

not surprising that outlaw has the least amount of deaths on that chart, they do get a stam buff in their tree

[gusty mirage]

it's all kinda useless outside of turtle

lmao

[vestal wren]

outlaw has a HP node

[fleet whale]

for rogues

[spice surge]

I think its very intesting how much higher sub is than assa

[quiet oar]

Ok

Maybe is just dont eat that much shit

[spice surge]

Not sure if thats because of how much extra vers sub has or just due to player differences

[limber lion]

devastation very easily wins the pot, but augmentation is barely dying.

Weird stuff

[gusty mirage]

the extra vers adds up

[fleet whale]

is that just a wowhead bug

[spice surge]

I mean augment has a cheat death, has more innate tankyness and their wall also is a rally ontop of a DR

[gusty mirage]

plus you get a good amount of leech from you having buttons that do a shit ton of damage

[fleet whale]

i could've sworn it's higher than just 1% stam

[proven jasper]

Is it really just 1% lmao?

[vestal wren]

its a bug, its 5%

[fleet whale]

yeah that seems right

[gusty mirage]

leech from dots is kinda meh

[proven jasper]

I was gonna say 5% seems like an actual number

[gusty mirage]

they need the extra 5% stamina

because they're all potatoes

[vestal wren]

tbh

tauren rogue gets extrea hp too

[fleet whale]

although i think outlaw lost leech from GM

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-wig-gif-19175049

[fleet whale]

though that may not mean anything in raid

[royal lantern]

you know what is comming any day

SARK KILL

29% PULL ON THE FIRST PULL OF THE NIGHT

[fleet whale]

Tauren rogue if you want to RP as Mr Smite

[gusty mirage]

can you do it before I die of old age

[royal lantern]

no

cus you are allready old

[gusty mirage]

I said die

[spice surge]

Its also funny how a lot of people consider boomies to be very tanky at the top end

[vestal wren]

nice

[fleet whale]

We have Deadened nerves, 3% physical damage reduction on the tree
we are so tanky /s

[spice surge]

But the data just shows em dying en masse

[gusty mirage]

because 90% of them don't swap to bear form

boomy is tanky

the players are just ignorant to their own kit

[royal lantern]

but my dmg?????????????

[gusty mirage]

they don't do that in raid either

so its fine

[vestal wren]

"needed to finish the cast" syndrom that we had in SL on a specific covenant

[gusty mirage]

innervate the healers and give me 3% vers

and go cast your stars in a corner

peasant

[spice surge]

In all the guilds ive played the boomkin onetricks/main are always a bit weird

Like i had one that said his favourite thing in life was drinking coffee at 5 am with his mates ballsack in his hand

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

in legion

we had our shadowpirest in the guild reroll to boomie

just to whipe the floor with the 2 boomie mains we had in the raid

[gaunt moat]

Have you guys heard about that guy who griefed his own raid on hardcore after playing with them for a year?
i just saw the interview with him.
guy is UNHINGED. like, actually school-shooter-insane person.

[royal lantern]

normal homie behaviour wdym

[vestal wren]

and after the tier he was like "i think i reroll mage, this spec is too easy"

[royal lantern]

classic

zzzzzz......

[fleet whale]

Yes I saw asmongold reacting to it

have to admire the hustle and dedication

[gaunt moat]

the thing is.. it wasn't a "hustle"

it was actually just being insane.

[fleet whale]

that guy is a well known griefer, he would dispell world buffs on people

[vestal wren]

sounds like a lovely individual

[gaunt moat]

He's reasoning for doing it:

1. They weren't "real hardcore" casue they died in a battleground.
2. They gave out loot wrong.
   So he felt they were corrupted, and in his words "demanded divine judgment".

[spice surge]

When youre drunk at a party kinda, but this guy was doing it on like a random february tuesday, calling up his mate being like "yo, down for some coffee and fondling tomorrow morning?"

Certainly a character

[royal lantern]

least deranged boomkin player

[gaunt moat]

And he says he did them a favor.

[fleet whale]

idk Nagura I think her name was didnt' seem insane

[spice surge]

Sounds like he is doing society a favour by spending all his time grinding classic

[fleet whale]

Classic wow always has the crazy people

Alexensual, Tinyviolin

[oak sky]

That dude griefing the hardcore players was so funny lmao

[gaunt moat]

he's funny until he's the kid in your school

[oak sky]

Luckily i dont play hardcore

Its not like there were any consequences

For the rest of the raid

[vestal wren]

classic seems surprisingly popular

[quiet oar]

Because leveling is cozy

[fleet whale]

yes it's gotten really popular as a late

thinking about leveling through it myself lol

[quiet oar]

When i was sick last year

I leveled my rogue

and watched all true crime docus

it was the time of my life

leveling from 10am to 5 am

idk why

[gaunt moat]

I finished zelda botw 2 weeks ago
I think I watched like 20 hours of "expore with us" videos while playing 😂

[vestal wren]

the hardcore challanges did get a lot of attention

[quiet oar]

Yeah

Hardcore is also a big thing

[quiet oar]

Its so nice

To braindead play a game and watch interessting stuff

[gaunt moat]

yeah, it's a perfect game for that

[keen spruce]

they took away my orange

[gusty mirage]

I wonder why that is

[keen spruce]

dead spec

[gusty mirage]

it's almost as if

%

doesn't reflect actual rank

[keen spruce]

it was orange before it locked in

i know how %'s work

[junior aurora]

have you tried doing 200 more dps next time

that might get you orange

[keen spruce]

ig my procs were just unlucky

[junior aurora]

skill issue for sure

[royal lantern]

man

||i did all the dragon tears instantly after the tutorial cus i wanted the full map and they are always close to sky towers

having the entire plottwist of the game revealed with 4 hearts and 5 hours gametime felt a bit weird ||

[gusty mirage]

sucks to suck bro idk

[gaunt moat]

I was the complete opposite

[royal lantern]

it was like

"oh, they are like the photos from the first game, i just grab them when i see them"

and then i had all

[gaunt moat]

wait wai tiwa

waitaiwtiaw

[royal lantern]

[gaunt moat]

i didn't play tears of kingdom yet

[royal lantern]

oh

lol

[gaunt moat]

thanks for ruining the game for me

[royal lantern]

cant play anymore

now you know that the things that give cutscenes give indeed cutscenes

[gaunt moat]

I WANTED TO FIND THAT OUT FOR MYSELF

[limber lion]

Rekt

[gaunt moat]

when even 40% sophic proc rate can't carry you

[keen spruce]

I had to share my screen to show someone how to look up where the keybind menu was

cuz shift+m wasn't pulling up their zone map

took us about half of raid to get all of the WAs sorted

the other half was learning that about 7 people can't count to 5

P1 is roughly figured out now tho. hoping for mostly p2 fuckery today

[gusty mirage]

what's there to figure out

they nerfed the heart sizes bro

[keen spruce]

I want oxi to raid with a late CE guild for a night

man's jaded

livin the good life

"just buy a house" energy

[gusty mirage]

jaded

yep

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

the "good life"

[gusty mirage]

nah this is the good life

[earnest remnant]

hey atleast you are free

[subtle tundra]

Have 2 pulls 😃

[limber lion]

I have 0

Rekt

[earnest remnant]

absolutely rinsed

tbh

[subtle tundra]

And a kill

😋

[limber lion]

Ok boostyboy

[earnest remnant]

cev killed it in his dreams

counts as well

[limber lion]

It's true, spamming the hof achievement to groups whenever I apply

[oak sky]

Me

[keen spruce]

we got through 38 pulls yesterday and only 1 into p2

[minor gate]

yay

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

Waiting for the fat rogue changes so I can tell my gm whether I play next tier or not

[minor gate]

is ST bomb+nel or bomb+ beacon

[limber lion]

I had like a month of free time, kinda wanted to raid but the boys killed it 2 months ago and the next tier opens in like 2-3 months.

Rip

[keen spruce]

i'm playin bomb nelth

but they're both rng

[limber lion]

My condolences

Bomb + Nelth is much better than beacon, but nelth is giga rng so miss me with that

I just run bomb + dice

Like 100 dps worse so basically the same without the giga rng

[royal lantern]

dice is no rng?

[limber lion]

Much less

It consistently keeps buffs up, Nelth is 1 rpm

[keen spruce]

the only RNG on dice is what buffs you get basically, and all of the stats run pretty close

much higher uptime overall

[limber lion]

Yeh the variance is much less

Higher lows and lower highs

R1's will still be behind giga rng procs or aug stacking

[keen spruce]

I might be getting the aug sauce the rest of the tier

[limber lion]

So if you wanna rng your way to good parses, use Nelth. If you wanna consistently perform, use dice

[keen spruce]

the guild has lost faith in our wizards

[limber lion]

Nice

[keen spruce]

I'd probably run dice on prog if i had it at 447

[limber lion]

You'll parse worse if you get one aug on you

[keen spruce]

does it munch too much of your damage in the logs?

[limber lion]

But if the goal is to blast and whatever then it's all gucci

[gusty mirage]

do you offer lessons

on how to just quit

[limber lion]

Yep

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

Speculation and math says it doesn't take armor into the calculation

[keen spruce]

ah

[limber lion]

So it removes the damage you would have done if it was a mob without armor

But all raid bosses have armor

Anyways

[keen spruce]

makes sense

[limber lion]

Fire Mage super fun for now and I'll be blasting on it

Until the rogue rework

[keen spruce]

frost is cozy too

[subtle tundra]

Express clear lack of enjoyment continuously. Threaten them you will quit. Eventually do it

[gusty mirage]

[jovial verge]

reading stuff about echo timings

do we vanish in the opener and hold sepsis for after

or am I reading this with the comprehension of an ape

[keen spruce]

I have to send 2nd sepsis and DM to meet the p1 check atm

but I think once your team is comfy

and over damaging p1

then you vanish after opener to extend imp garrote, sepsis fiirst add, deathmark + vanish 2nd one?

iirc

and last deathmark with 2nd pot in p3

[jovial verge]

Yeah

that's what I thought we did

Idk started reading stuff and doubting it for some reason lmao

[jovial verge]

im sending it as well though probably dont have too our damage is good just oopsy woopsies with the volcanic hearts happen too much to get consitently to p3/

[pulsar plover]

As a noob rogue, is sin better than sub for prog raiding? Less buttons to press and less cd dependence means more room for errors/odd timings/boss mechanics right

[jovial verge]

I think it depends some fights require you to use cooldowns in non-traditional ways, like sark

whereas I think sub is more consistent

[pulsar plover]

what do you mean by non-traditional

[jovial verge]

Ah, like not the ones recomended in the general opener

I don't think their is much differene between them in terms of difficulty though

[proven jasper]

I find sub easier

[jovial verge]

both are fairly streamlined these days

[pulsar plover]

I feel like for sub I'm more evergy starved and just waiting for shadowdance

[proven jasper]

Sin you are always energy starved as well

[fleet whale]

i don't really feel energy starved as sin in ST

[jovial verge]

Nah me neither

[proven jasper]

i mean with dm up?

[pulsar plover]

and during shadowdance a fire spawns on me and my dps drops

[proven jasper]

You should never be

[jovial verge]

Well that sounds like something that can be avoided

[pulsar plover]

also what's dm

[jovial verge]

Deathmark

[fleet whale]

Sin apm ranges from 55-60

[proven jasper]

I think its easier to just press ur buttons on sub and forget really

[vestal wren]

outlaw is the highest apm

[fleet whale]

I remember the days of sub 40 APM sin

[balmy condor]

Better sin

[pulsar plover]

Whispyr are you saying the sub 40 APM sin is better or it's better for a newer player to play sin

[balmy condor]

Slow sin better

Don’t think it matters what you play

[proven jasper]

youll do the most damage on what you like most 🙂

[balmy condor]

True

[pulsar plover]

Also for gearing I see a lot of sin rogues running toxic thorn footwraps

[balmy condor]

As they should

[gusty mirage]

shmeeps gave my sims cooties

😠

[balmy condor]

That’ll happen when you hang out with shmeeps too much

[pulsar plover]

for sub it's slime expulsion boots

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

yeah or if you multispec you can just make slimy and use it for both

[pulsar plover]

is there a big difference between the two

[balmy condor]

There is not

[proven jasper]

Its not a huge dif no

I main sin and still have slimy

[pulsar plover]

but thorn has crit so I always get thorn first?

[balmy condor]

That’s why your logs suck so bad surely

[proven jasper]

Decided a 447 dagger was better than making new boots

Ill link em if u want 🤷🏼‍♂️

[vestal wren]

sin is better if you need to play less sin (lower apm)^^

[balmy condor]

Not sure what the question is here

[pulsar plover]

I should get the toxic thorn boots first regardless of sub or sin since it has crit

and slimy expulsion boots do not

[proven jasper]

Wait my logs suck so bad because i play sin 😭 or

[balmy condor]

I mean if that makes you sleep better at night

Sure

It doesn’t really matter at all

[pulsar plover]

I sleep well with a grey parse, but guilds might not take me lol

[balmy condor]

Worrying about secondaries is a hobby befitting of sleepless cocaine addicts and not much else

[pulsar plover]

Also how many evis should I fit into a sd

I'm trying to figure out why my sub st is doing so little dmg

[balmy condor]

That’s not really how sub works

Would recommend the faq

Or the wowhead guide

[proven jasper]

Worrying about what ur fitting into shadowdance is probably gonna result in less dps

[keen spruce]

[vestal wren]

probably rotational mistakes ^^

[gaunt moat]

killed echo, woo

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

nice, big gz

[balmy condor]

How many augvokers do you have for sark

[gaunt moat]

two

[deft flicker]

Usually it boils down to either “cringe dance sequence” (faq for how to dance) or “not frequent enough dances” (follow the finisher rules). Or both

[balmy condor]

Two is a good number

[pulsar plover]

Also I saw somewhere that I should have symbols up most of the time

with the 2 pc bonus

[deft flicker]

Two is the only prime number that’s not odd

Good number

[pulsar plover]

also why does the faq suggest that I vanish during dance after secret technique

[deft flicker]

IIRC that’s Rotten build, not Dark Brew one

[vapid sierra]

Shadow strike

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah? Name every prime number then

[vapid sierra]

Does more damage or something

During dance after st or something idk

[deft flicker]

For extra juicy Shadowstrikes after you stack up Dance Macabre (Shadowstrike gains +25% damage when used from stealth)

[vapid sierra]

All I know is when I click it after st during sd it does big number

[pulsar plover]

doesn't sd already guarantee everything does dmg as if from stealth?

[deft flicker]

https://youtu.be/NHEaYbDWyQE

[deft flicker]

It gives stealth combat benefits but not the state of stealth

And Shadowstrike requires the state of stealth to do the teleport thing and do extra damage

Same reason why Dance doesn’t trigger Subterfuge

[pulsar plover]

I see

[vapid sierra]

Yes

But you can build stacks of dance macabre for each unique finisher/builder you use

I think it’s a 5/6% damage increase to shadow damage per stack? Don’t quote me on that

So In st with the first dance (default build irrc) dance>gloomblade(1stack)>eviscerate(2 stacks)>shadowstrike(3stacks)>secret technique(4 stacks)>then vanish cause you built big stacks

[balmy condor]

There is actually 0 shot in hell you vanish gloomblade

[vapid sierra]

No

Duck

I meant to write dance

[balmy condor]

Aight that makes more sense

[vapid sierra]

Oopsies

[deft flicker]

6% per stack, pressing dance gives a stack as well

[vapid sierra]

^

[deft flicker]

So yeah, vanished shadowstrike is the juiciest thing you can fit inside the dance after you sent sectec

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor when do i cloak on phase 1 sark?

after 2nd breath?

[balmy condor]

The glittering surge at the end

[gaunt moat]

ok

while standing in it, or after it hits me?

[balmy condor]

It’s a 7 second cast

[royal lantern]

surge is the aoe that hits everyone

[balmy condor]

Cloak doesn’t last the full duration anyway

[gaunt moat]

oh

[balmy condor]

The start is usually tougher than the end

But it doesn’t really matter

[gaunt moat]

got confused with disintegration

[balmy condor]

Yeh disintegration doesn’t even need feint tbh

Feint on the breath clear, and pray you get healed

[gaunt moat]

they told us to take 2nd breath, and 4th disintegration

[balmy condor]

Yep

That’s very normal

The 4th disintegration is the one right before the glittering at the end

You can cloak that disintegrate and it’ll last into the start of the glittering

The breath clear you do a big prayer

Or you convince a healer that you get an external on it like me and Seli

Seli was getting gs

I was getting cocoon

Or put on your outlaw gear or something

45% vers

[gaunt moat]

🥲

[balmy condor]

Best thing you can do is feint before it

Pre-vial

And then chug health pot and health stone

And it might keep you alive

3/7 times

[gaunt moat]

you're scaring me

it looks like a very simple phase mechnically. just damage is crazy

[royal lantern]

@gaunt moat you feint the fire breath you take and healthpot if it makes you low hp

you feint+healthpot(if you still have it) the disintergrade

you cloak the gillter at the end

thats it

cant do more as rogue

[vestal wren]

could use elusivness if you are fancy

[royal lantern]

lol

no

pure bait

yes, just feint on CD against the dot

your allready gonna be bottom dps, doesnt need to be tank dps

[vestal wren]

alternative

there is a embellishment that helps with survivability 😈

[deft flicker]

For a split second I wondered what Ghostly Strike has to do with staying alive after the recent patch

[balmy condor]

Someone was talking about having dps crafting sporecloaks and I told my rl that I would actually just leave if I had to do that

We didn’t have to do that

Actually just healer check

[vestal wren]

tbh

raiding with a casual guild

we have a hard restriction that nobody is allowed to use corrupting in mythic

and we had discusions about having everyone go sporecloak

[limber lion]

That's demonic

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

corropting dmg is such a meme

[balmy condor]

This was my total damage taken on sark

It’s not like it’s nothing

But it’s not gonna kill me

[royal lantern]

its medium dmg over a really long time period

like, the dmg per second is nothing

[balmy condor]

And then it’s “oh what if the healers are stressed”

Tiny ticking damage is never the thing that’s gonna kill you

It’s always the overlaps

[gaunt moat]

I had argument with GL a week ago, because he said "defensive cooldowns should never be used offensivly (e.g. cloak)

[balmy condor]

I mean he’s kinda right

[gaunt moat]

there's many many times it sohuld be used offensibly

[balmy condor]

On prog like 95% of the times where you would cloak for uptime, you probably could use it defensively to mitigate something important

Is it necessary to cloak defensively? Nah

But the extra 3 seconds of uptime you might get out of cloak typically won’t be the reason you kill

Just kinda greedy for a minimal gain

So I get where he’s coming from

But it’s just natural to cloak offensively when you’re not necessarily afraid of dying on something

[vestal wren]

the problem is

disalowing stuff or adding even more health buffer with spore is a easier solution

than starting to atcually play the encounter mechanics

[gaunt moat]

they want me to cloak 2nd breath btw. i told them okay, but it's on them if i die at the end

[quiet oar]

You dont have 2 priests?

or are they lazy to dispell?

[balmy condor]

Yeh, I mean that’s also possible, but you just swap the praying on the breath to the praying on the glitter

Doesn’t actually fix anything, just procrastinates the anal

[royal lantern]

you tell them its a bad thing and laugh lol

[errant swallow]

Hello

[gilded oasis]

hello

[gaunt moat]

Welp, we got to 60% first day of prog.
Dunno how i feel about the fight yet.
I feel like first phase half the time i proc cheat death, half the time i'm super fine.

still pretty messy

[idle inlet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VrhXkYGC4cD1ZJmf#fight=28&type=damage-done rogue underpowered we should be able to do this kind of damage

[balmy condor]

this is a funny graph too

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[silk bane]

i see nothing wrong. youre just a jelly boy

[gilded oasis]

my emp garrote wa stopped working with IC

[dusk shoal]

Bruh 17 seconds is wild

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

[gilded oasis]

probably

[spice spire]

Seems right

[gilded oasis]

but look at all these sin keys ive done now

[spice spire]

I’m so proud of you

[gilded oasis]

thanks I hate pugging but look at me go

[spice spire]

I also hate pugging

[gilded oasis]

wellp time to queue for some brick-enhides

[silk bane]

its just htat shrimple

sin dps goes brrrrr

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-thrilled-pumped-bouncing-doe-eyes-gif-13961659

[molten timber]

So, completely random question, but has anyone else noticed a bug where if you Deathmark within two globals of pressing Vanish for some reason Deathmark generates two combo points?
It's been doing this for me since mid last tier but it's not gamebreaking so I haven't cared enough to report it or anything.
Example- If I Rupture, Vanish, Garrote, Deathmark I have 5 combo points to Shiv Envenom at 6.

[woeful meteor]

you dupe shrouded garotte and get the cp for that

[molten timber]

It's giving me the extra 2 CP from the shrouded Garotte? That still seems like a bug.

[spice spire]

It’s well known

[gaunt moat]

@royal lantern is 60% good prog? 🥲

Does it get much harder later?

[royal lantern]

% is weird on sark cus its mostly a "wait until people figure out the bait/bombs*

[gaunt moat]

Our baits were good
our bomb were not
are there extra bombs in mythic?

[royal lantern]

like, you spend time in p1 with no real % progress until healers figured stuff out and ranged stop dying to the bomb

you spend then time in p2 until your ranged stop dropping bombs in melee and actually do them

and then you Spend time in p3 until people realise that the swirlies on the ground should be avoided and dping the knockback/soak combo correct

lots of time waiting if you figure it out fast

and lots of time where you can see your stuff getting parried

[gaunt moat]

heh, joke's on you, i disabled parried message 😏

[royal lantern]

can dissable the message

cant disable the emotional dmg when a ER finisher gets parried

[gilded oasis]

I have a giant WA that comes up when I get parried

so I can tilt more

[gaunt moat]

Inside Tryan there are two wolves.
we are the wolves.

[gilded oasis]

🐺

[gaunt moat]

🐰

[royal lantern]

god i wish the first part was true

wait what

[gilded oasis]

[gaunt moat]

[tall atlas]

Remove parry from the game pls

On raid bosses at least

[cerulean walrus]

Parry deez

[gusty mirage]

gladly

[cerulean walrus]

Hello Oxi

I love you

[tall atlas]

Why you be mean

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/780118559099322389.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[ripe relic]

Do yourself a favor and test KB. It's awesome.

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[void mesa]

[regal holly]