assassination

[gusty mirage]

because "you can loot daggers from a lot of sources"

I've looted 0 m+ daggers

and 0 mythic daggers

[keen spruce]

i crafted mine this week

a couple hours before timestrike sims got updated

as is customary

[gusty mirage]

that's cause you're a dum dum

[runic hinge]

I got 447 outta first vault

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-dancing-duck-walk-away-gif-21526535

[gusty mirage]

its okay I got a 441 beacon and got to inflate my heroic logs

to trick you guys into thinking I'm not dogshit at this game

[keen spruce]

how many r1s

[gusty mirage]

I had 3

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

but my magmorax was taken by a PI enjoyer

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage A CLEAN p3 PULL

[keen spruce]

what's your toons name

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

from 50% to 30%

[gusty mirage]

I'm not telling you

you're gonna judge me

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

my mythic parses are hot ass garbage

[keen spruce]

i bet it's somethin super creative

like oxistab

[runic hinge]

Lizard dead soon

[keen spruce]

or oxistep

[royal lantern]

why dead

[gusty mirage]

sorry my zskarn was stolen

I got lava dog

[royal lantern]

fight ends at 0,1%

[gusty mirage]

shows you the last time I cleared heroic

but its oxxi @keen spruce

you can laugh at my mythic parses

my first time on zskarn I got terrorized by our two warriors

they murdered me with double beam

[keen spruce]

we have the same sarc gulag parses

[agile osprey]

The trick is to offer your spriest the gluck gluck 3000 for pi on sark

[royal lantern]

why

is wowlogs only showing 3mythic kills for me

the fuck

straight up removed all kills except the first3

what the fuck

[spice spire]

Partition

[agile osprey]

10.1.5

bb

[keen spruce]

there was a patch sir

[royal lantern]

mate

i look at all

[keen spruce]

why am only i getting @ 'd

I was the last one to answer

[balmy condor]

@keen spruce stop baiting tryan dude he knows what he’s looking at

[keen spruce]

i gotta go take this practice exam, i will not be booli'd

[royal lantern]

idk, just confused

only shows me 3 bosses and only 1 kill on each lol

time to msg the support i gues

[keen spruce]

did the logs get deleted and does that affect it

[royal lantern]

yeeeeha

i think something broke

[tacit otter]

that could've been me:) sorry

[gusty mirage]

you make me sick

but I still love you

[tacit otter]

atleast it wasnt some like 1k dps ahead kind of thing. i was atleast way ahead

[gusty mirage]

wait it wasn't you

I lost it by like 1k dps

[tacit otter]

ah nvm then i just remember getting r1 and it still not beaten, so i thought

[gusty mirage]

those parses are older than shmeeps

[agile osprey]

[tacit otter]

maybe it was one of those who knows^^

[gusty mirage]

ye I took yours 😛

mine was may 16th

[icy haven]

since we are sharing

hc nelth

[idle inlet]

Are we the worst st and aoe spec now? 😦

At least dps wise I know we definitely have better movement than sub and outlaw

[balmy condor]

its fairly close but sure

on paper that's correct

[copper mural]

is accelreating sandglass trinket good for asa ?

[spice spire]

Pins

[keen spruce]

good emote

need more george

[spice spire]

Ok

[keen spruce]

i don't have panic

[spice spire]

[idle inlet]

Seeing as my guild can't consistently beat the roster boss paper is all I have

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

where's our racoon emotes

oh we have them

just none of them are called racoon

nvm

[earnest remnant]

trashpanda = raccoon
Stealthi = raccoon

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-rolling-racoon-dodging-racoon-elden-ring-elden-ring-racoon-gif-25418424

[peak bobcat]

what did you do on mag?

[gusty mirage]

I crit beacons when no one had any

[strange python]

anyone got a quick blaster Deathmark Macro with pot and stuff that works ? Mine stopped working

[limber lion]

Highly don't recommend macroing everything together

But if you really want to, it's simply just

#showtooltip /cast Deathmark /use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power /use 13 /use 14

13 and 14 being trinkets 1 and 2 respectively. Get rid of them if you don't want them there.

[strange python]

Just the pot really

[limber lion]

There you go then, just remove the use 13 and 14

[burnt latch]

Is macro fore envenom when maximer combo point if no press mutiler? My frend say damage is low fore assasiner rogue so i try this mby wil help make rotation smooth

[stiff geode]

Gotta go get a rabies shot after looking above

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

pocket priest

[tall atlas]

How bad is vers for sin

[lusty widget]

any weakauras to track the 4pc buff? tried to make one but not having any luck

[pure bridge]

If you have any weak aura that tracks BUFF (like SND) length you can just copy paste 409587 <-Poison Edges into the section that tracks spell ID. Or you can also just type in Poison Edges. Then just rename it accordingly.

[limber lion]

15k difference wtf

okay dude.

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

that's illefal

illegal

[gusty mirage]

bro

shmeeps is illegal

everything about him

illegal

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

[gusty mirage]

fu roujin

[keen spruce]

then magmorax

right after

fkin slot machine spec

[gusty mirage]

good

fuck you

[sturdy merlin]

hey i'm in here

🤝

[gusty mirage]

better wash your hands after shaking his

dirty mfer

@keen spruce

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[limber lion]

bro, sophic, nelth trinket, wildfire and pi all together with cds

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/hooker-funny-youre-a-hooker-gif-16626913

[keen spruce]

We got the sauce

[gusty mirage]

this man's ethics are worse than Passassin's

smh

[limber lion]

idk what molten overflow is but he got that as well with all of those other buffs

wtf

[gusty mirage]

im telling you

@keen spruce is a hooker

[limber lion]

idk man

I'm done with this game lol

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean

just rppm your way to high sophic/call uptime

ez

[runic hinge]

That’s how I beat one of shmeeps early normal parses with 10 less ilvls

[gusty mirage]

just like my heroic r1s

step 1) have beacon when no one else does

step 2) crit beacon

step 3) pretend you're good

[runic hinge]

I have dice and call so I just pray

[gray crest]

idk man, critting on beacon sounds like a skill difference to me

[keen spruce]

guys just play better

and u can parse like papa shmeeps

[gusty mirage]

go stack vers mastery hooker

[keen spruce]

it's a healing proc from rashoks or something

[gaunt moat]

so uhh... just me, or mages out of control

[gusty mirage]

you mean mages are back to the norm

[loud light]

shmeeps not even getting an evoker with lego to rng that buff

leaving value on the table

[gusty mirage]

he's never been a min maxer

he refused to play puzzlebox last tier

[gaunt moat]

He refuses to save DM for pot too

[gusty mirage]

truly a hooker that shmeeps

[gaunt moat]

hate that guy

[gusty mirage]

I can't hate him sadly

shmeeps is like my little brother that I don't want but still care about

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage i tried going 3p zoldyck for echo
but looking at logs, all sins use normal talents.
they're just lazy?

or don't care cause not prog

[spice surge]

Rashok trinket, its gives like 1% vers

[gusty mirage]

on prog most people aren't full stopping dps

at least not from what I've seen

cause if they are, seems kind of a nobrainer to drop a bit of overall for more execute

ya know

[gaunt moat]

We got to the point now that we full stop in P1
and on P2 he's immune for like 3 seconds

[gusty mirage]

tbh it's kind of a whatever thing in the end

but yeah you'd prolly benefit a bit more from 3/3 zold

[worn pilot]

are fragment sims still goofed

[gaunt moat]

we wiped on 1.5%
but we just had half raid die after 3rd blast

[split cipher]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[split cipher]

!defensive

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat did u see the message i found

from bfa

you yelled at me

[gaunt moat]

i haven't

[keen spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1128865441322901504/image.png

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130

[keen spruce]

this was actually legion technically

[gaunt moat]

that date is kinda weird.
because stepped down from being a mod then

and i think i even stopped parctipating in chat
so why would i tell you that

[spice spire]

I wasn’t even here then

[keen spruce]

idk what I posted

I was even more annoying back then

i thought i knew what i was talkin about cuz i lead heroic pugs

[gaunt moat]

I think at that point in time, i just came here to be a troll too

[lyric crater]

qustion are we still useing exsanguinate

[gaunt moat]

answer no

[sweet dawn]

Nope

[limber lion]

Haven't been for many months

Just delete it out of your mind

It doesn't exist

[lyric crater]

ah ok was on small wow vaction must miss that note ty

[gaunt moat]

I think shortly after that i left the server too

[limber lion]

All good homie

[gaunt moat]

Probably because of you @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

(actually. was a very dark time in my life. that's why i stopped playing)

[keen spruce]

[slow needle]

Can the guy who noticed the bug get a special role of some kind for being the dude to finally put exsang in the grave where it belonged.

[main crypt]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gaunt moat]

Sin so dumpster in keys right now that this happened

[runic hinge]

Wow

[royal lantern]

wow

so even the "but zero!!!!" argument is now gone?

[balmy condor]

wow

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, in 10.2 we'll have insane AoE without sacrificing ST

[royal lantern]

i dont need "insane aoe"

just "enough aoe that i can actually help with adds during a raidfight" is enough

m+ is a meme anyway

[strange python]

So

Prescience gives the aug 3% of your crit damage over the course of a fight in logs

How does it account for the extra combo points

Or for any other class that gets resources from crit

[strange python]

I'd rather be 3% ahead of second place in ST with our current AoE and have some flavor to the spec, than be turned into everyone else.

[strange python]

I found a way in logs with PI and on use trinkets on a 3:30 kill to bring it almost back up to the meta build.

Sry 4:30 kill

[supple topaz]

How is sin looking in raid after the buffs tuesday?

[tacit otter]

what buffs

[supple topaz]

well the buffs ring nerfs or whatever or did sin not get anything

[tacit otter]

nop didnt need compensation for onyx ring

[supple topaz]

ah gotcha

[idle inlet]

When sin takes 3/3 zold does it have better execute than warrior?

[fading mason]

Mhh though question but prolly not

[keen spruce]

doubtful

arms is like do 80k 5 min then end the fight at 130

assas is like do 120k the whole fight and end at 130

moderate exaggeration

[inner temple]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage

my warlock, 7 ilvls lower than rogue. sims higher in ST.

[earnest remnant]

@blazing jewel

[molten timber]

Haven't played sass for a hot minute and I'm swapping back into it. With Sepsis are we holding Vanish entirely until out second Deathmark or sending it for uptime on Garrote on CD?
Would it be worth it to save Sepsis for DM?

[blazing jewel]

I havent recrafted my stuff back to sub yet

id probably be like 134-5?

[rain oyster]

beacon into vanish opener

[keen spruce]

in most situations yes

on fights like nelth and sark there is some transitional fuckery where it's better to just vanish on CD and use sepsis for coverage on 2nd deathmark

or if it's like a heroic fight that's shorter than like 2:15

but default is no vanish in the opener and save it for the last part of 2nd deathmark when your sepsis imp garrote is in pandemic

[idle inlet]

Do y'all think that blizz will be cool when they make zold a 2 pt node and give us the 3 pt bonus for it?

[balmy condor]

doubt it

[idle inlet]

I miss when kings bane was above zold and you could play with full zold bonus and kings bane was good

[versed mica]

Kingsbane was kingsbased

I hope they buff it/move it somewhere else

[strange python]

I genuinely don't understand how to slam on sark

[blazing jewel]

are you playing sin

[strange python]

I'm timing CDs the exact same as scanas for the same strat

Yes.

I'm mirroring your CDs.

[blazing jewel]

idk I had some unholy p1 pulls

[strange python]

Just dropping 120k instead of good dam.

[blazing jewel]

I think during p1 for the kill I was at 143?

also are you getting late into p3

because you will climb during that

[strange python]

I mean it's the kill

[blazing jewel]

you get really good dm+tier set value

oh you killed

hmmge

[strange python]

Yeah it's been on farm for awhile

I only sim 126k? So maybe gear? Idk. Something's off.

[blazing jewel]

I think im 130.5

[strange python]

I wonder if beacon dam on multi target p2 is giant value

[blazing jewel]

so may be a gear dif

it is

beacon does a lot of my overall that fight

4.8mil

ngl I dont even know if my cds are fully optimal for that strat I was kinda yoloing it

id have to look at my own casts

[strange python]

I looked at basically all the logs doing go down p3

Idk, 120 feels low.

Dice uptime has been fucking horrid

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/sheesh-sheesh-meme-gif-23678188

[strange python]

P3 vendetta timing feels awful.

[blazing jewel]

I thought it was good

are you talking about copying my cds during the burn strat

or the previous kill

[proven jasper]

does the sark cloak sim with allies?

just got a 447 one 😄

[strange python]

My vendetta timing

I can't decide if to send before going down or after

The haste is nice but you'd lose the entire tier effect and potion value

Then again you lose the entire set value while down anyways

[blazing jewel]

oh youre doing the go down in p3 strat

I thought you were talking about my most recent kill

just dm after coming back up

[strange python]

Shit sucks, get like 12 seconds of vend

Can't seem to do more than 125k p1

I legit don't understand what's going wrong. I slam every other boss.

OH MY TRINKET DIDNT PROC LITERALLY THE ENTIRETY OF P1 THATS SO COOL

[uncut dragon]

any bets on how they'll change assassination when we get our overdue rework?

[dusk ingot]

Trying to learn sin as best i can.. i seem to get my opener dine well but seem to slowly drop over time... (im 425 ilvl pulling around 120k during openner then around 3min im sitting between 80-90k)

Where should i be looking for info on my rotation/cds?

Err 5min not 3

I k ow im missing a key item (horrid trinket luck so no bomb yet)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s9TFRAiJTdkdDhu5kbJUZG
Is my sim.. sorry if this isnt the place to ask this

[gusty mirage]

do you have all the raid buffs available to you

this is a very big chunk of damage

[stiff geode]

Check #assassination-faq message

[dusk ingot]

Thanks will read

[stiff geode]

Idk how I reacted with that on mobile and idk how to remove it lol

Ffs lol, I remember there being an x in reaction list to remove em, but ya I got it now

[silk bane]

hello ferens

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[silk bane]

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

[old obsidian]

Irideus better in 447?

[spice spire]

Better then what

[old obsidian]

beacon 441

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

and the sandglass in there hasn't been updated either

nor has the mirror

day 1 weird stuff got fixed today

bloodmallet won't reflect until probably 12 hours from now when it gets rerun

[dusk ingot]

question, reading the opener in the faqs, was wondering when is the best time to use Beacon during opener?

[balmy condor]

after rupture

get up your dots -> beacon -> cooldowns basically

[dusk ingot]

ok

okay that could be one of my issues, thanks

trying to refine my rotation and opener

since I'm loving this class (switched about 2 weeks ago from arms)

[balmy condor]

idk what would compel you to downgrade like that

but I'm glad you're enjoying it

[dusk ingot]

arms was boring honestly

and our raid crew had zero rogues and tons of 2h melee

in a heroic team, sadly not a mythic.. we're just starting mythic progression literally this past raid night since we only down heroic sark last thursday

don't have the time anymore for hardcore raiding so just trying to have fun and play what's enjoyable to me hehe

[balmy condor]

I see

[dusk ingot]

I'm a Chef so literally have like 1 real raid night i can attend and the other i'm only there about 25% of the time thanks to work

[spice spire]

You make what you can work.
Had to miss raid tonight because I had to stay an hour and a half over for attestation in an abuse case at work so I was about an hour late. All you can do is your best

[dusk ingot]

yeah and reading has now shown me likely a big issue of why my numbers weren't staying high... was using Hero Rotation to help learn... and it was constantly telling me to use Ambush, likely stealing it from improved garrot triggered via sepsis buff...

So I was wasting the sepssi buffs on ambush and not garrotte... likely fuxxing up my numbers

just did a practice of the openner and keeping my mind off of ambush unless blindsind caused it and alrdy saw a jump of 10k

[vapid sierra]

Where do these new trinkets come from

And the 441 dagger

[brazen zodiac]

it's a mystery

[vapid sierra]

Bruh

[strange python]

Dungeon.

[vapid sierra]

Mega dungeon?

I’m off wow for a while, But tryna keep up

How does a mega dungeon work

Is like a weekly clear? Or a key?

[astral leaf]

Weekly clear

[vapid sierra]

5 man group? How many bosses? Is it a queueable instance ?

[keen spruce]

yes 8

[vapid sierra]

Also time limit?

[dusk ingot]

no time limit, 8 bosses.. droped hero track gear and 5 aspect crests per boss

can be done 1/wk

next patch (10.1.7) will have it split into 2 4 boss heroics.. And likely one if not both will be part of the season 3 rotation

[vapid sierra]

So how does gear drop work?

[dusk ingot]

usual for 5-mans, personal loot

[royal lantern]

allright, you never saw that one

you fight a boss and defeat it

and then loot it

if you are lucky, a item for you is in the loot

[keen spruce]

it's a dungeon

u kill boss

sometimes boss drop loot

mega just mean big

[slow tulip]

good thing its from 2nd boss, no need to do the whole dung every week

[royal lantern]

wait

so megamind means.......

[deft flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-villain-chair-spin-suave-gif-23573281

Yeah, his head is big

[sweet sphinx]

is dragonfire bomb dispenser any good?

have been on a break and i can choose between dragonfire bomb dispenser and set piece

[pseudo hamlet]

Yes

take it, you can get the tier from the catalyst

[kindred imp]

Is phial of Vers now go-to in raids instead of Element chaos?

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[kindred imp]

always is a bit of a strong word lol

but thanks 🙂

[clever sapphire]

as i said, always has been

it was already better season 1

[blazing jewel]

Play crit cowards

[clever sapphire]

but vers showing higher numba

[limber lion]

Highly doubt it

[kindred imp]

sim is using the versa one though

[clever sapphire]

okay i havent actually simmed phials for like 3 months now, you got me there

[clever sapphire]

vers is set as standard phial as far as i know

i usually just ran 2-3 sims if i wanted to sim phials

and changed phial only

[kindred imp]

yeah im doing that now

[limber lion]

Yeah haven't been updated since s1. The buffed crit flask is always better.

[kindred imp]

yeah corrupting rage sims highest. 500 dps ahead of vers one

[gaunt moat]

Doesn't seem worth it for the damage you take

[clever sapphire]

sounds like a healer problem

[limber lion]

At what %?

[gaunt moat]

I'm already running sark cloak and thorn boots
how much more of this masochism build can i take
i draw the line at rage flask

[blazing jewel]

anything for the parse Notter

[quiet oar]

10K HP and 1 Million DPS or be coward?

What do you choose

[blazing jewel]

[faint jacinth]

this one of you ?

[blazing jewel]

That’s u fam

Lil bro got the auto attack ring on

[faint jacinth]

ain't me wdym

[blazing jewel]

Secret alt

It’s okay buddy

[faint jacinth]

pretty sure augussy is taken for evoker

[royal lantern]

that has to be the most shit take i have seen from you in a long time

"i dont want gameplay fixes, just give me %aura buffs, and when the numbers change assa is in the same spot again"

cool

that fixes stuff

dont need a spec that functional for most content, just make it "st only pumper" in a game where "st only" is almost never needed

and with the great "supports" comming (delete blizzard i beg you), rogue is not gonna be top dps ever again, cus rogue is not a class that will get the exteral forcefeeding

[pulsar dirge]

the thing st was never needed , until this tier and we managed to be shit again

jus give me this one small victory

[blazing jewel]

yea st is never required in raid

[balmy condor]

Never been needed

Who could forget the famous add fights that did not require single target, like denathrius, sylvanas, jailer, razageth

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

"st is not required" and "st only niche" is 2different things

cus "st only and nothing else" sucks

[balmy condor]

Could also argue that single target wasn’t needed on a bunch of fights tbh, like sludgefist, hungering devourer, or like painsmith maybe, or soulrender, or nerzul……. Or fatescribe…. Or guardian of the first ones…… or kelthuzad….. wait a damn minute…

[royal lantern]

and he talked about assa beeing st only with nothing else AGAIN

when thats 1of the bigger problems of the spec

whisp clowning on me when he knows excatly what i mean

but its ok, whisp can do that

[woeful meteor]

arent they clowning on the guy right below you?

[balmy condor]

I ain’t even reading what you said

“st isn’t needed”

Is actually the raw dumbest shit anyone has ever said

In this discord

It’s almost a talent to come up with a sentence that fucking stupid

[blazing jewel]

Was mostly memeing the st was needed until this tier comment I didn’t read the other paragraphs

[royal lantern]

talk was about "make assa st only, no aoe, just wanna be top st dps all the time"

and i said "st only" niche is stupid, cus the modern game works mostly against it

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s possible to have both

Imagine that

[royal lantern]

espacily when that "niche" doesnt exist for anyone else

[blazing jewel]

Yea press N

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

My dream is like

Being able to destroy my single target

And omega buff my aoe

And then if I wanted to balance it more, I just talent into less aoe

Like every other spec in the game ya know

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[royal lantern]

yes

whisp

we are the same there lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah crazy

When me and tryan agree on something

[royal lantern]

i just wanna be able to help with adds

[balmy condor]

It’s either leberwurst

Or it’s common sense

[royal lantern]

and not the current "oh cool, adds spawend, put rupture on them and fok a Couple times so it looks like im helping"

[blazing jewel]

I’ll have you know I’m straight up bending the adds over for the .5s that sark flies away for

Giving them the business

[royal lantern]

wdym N, blackpowder is R

[blazing jewel]

Tryan woosh moment

N brings up the spec swap menu

[royal lantern]

nah, ik what you mean

[royal lantern]

hey hey

now they have atrophic

so it hurts less when a cast goes trought

[blazing jewel]

Okay hear me out

It’s easier to parse when your spec sucks at killing adds

Because then you don’t have to pad for it

Not going to name the person but we had someone tell our lock to stop implosion on the adds so he could parse

[drifting cloud]

classic vel

[royal lantern]

leme gues: during progress aswell

[blazing jewel]

Vel isn’t raiding with us anymore

[blazing jewel]

During last reclear lol that would have been great

[gaunt moat]

You guys are talking nonsense
What, you forgot we got POISON BOMB??

That's all the AoE we need

[royal lantern]

poison bomb COULD be good

with some changes

[gaunt moat]

It actually was good.
for like 2 weeks of the expansion.

But then it got assassinated

[royal lantern]

spec fantasy achieved

[gaunt moat]

Our target? our own skills

Targets list:
Poison Bomb
Exsanguinate
Kingsbane

[blazing jewel]

Is poison bomb aoe true to the visual

Or is it a rune of power type visual

[gaunt moat]

It's a very small aoe.

[gaunt moat]

Targets list (cont.):
Echoing Reprimand

Never let them forget they've nerfed sin like 5 times in a row first 3 months

[gusty mirage]

How did they assassinate echoing reprimand

Removing one anima charged combo point?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[gusty mirage]

So that’s assassinated?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[marble hemlock]

Only assassination plays it!

[gaunt moat]

target confirmed

[gusty mirage]

Right

[clever sapphire]

Doesnt sub play it in pvp?

[woeful meteor]

not with meta talents

[blazing jewel]

PvP

[marble hemlock]

Pvp

[deft flicker]

Outlaw can play er in aoe

[marble hemlock]

I can play dance, doesn't mean I will :<

[blazing jewel]

I have a solution for us hear me out this is wild

[deft flicker]

ER KiR sims neutral to Dance KiR and HO in slice

If that’s what you want to hear

[blazing jewel]

We develop a weakaura that flash bangs the tank when poison bomb procs so they can’t see

They won’t ever move the mobs

[deft flicker]

They’ll jerk away instinctively

[blazing jewel]

We can fix them

[marble hemlock]

ye but who plays kir in keys, let alone ER kir

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-im-not-even-that-crazy-joker-gif-15444768

[strange python]

Yes. Specs having flavor is good. Sin being a primarily st spec is interesting. The issue is the CD calculus is clunky and the damage isn't there.

[marble hemlock]

idk where this notion of "assa is a st spec" comes from. i know when it started, but even then it wasnt true

it wasnt true for basically all of BfA; it wasnt true for half of SL, wasnt true for early DF either

[strange python]

Brother what

[marble hemlock]

well okay, it was true for more than half of SL

[limber lion]

I think it comes from the fact that Outlaw has been the blade-flurry aoe/cleave spec and only in Shadowlands has Sub seen some play finally.

Sub was dead for the entire BFA expansion, wasn't played in any tier

[strange python]

And the fact that sins primary strength has been single target for the last two expansions??

[woeful meteor]

Zul?

[limber lion]

Tamaran pls

One boss

[marble hemlock]

what strength? what boss in the last two expansions has assa been dominating ST?

[limber lion]

Out of 50 bosses

Just because a spec can cheese one singular boss, doens't mean it's a good spec

It was terrible on every single boss, only good on Zul because of the cheese

[woeful meteor]

I didn't play back then I have 0 Clue if it was straight up Zul only our BIS whole Tier and Zul killed the spec

[limber lion]

And was instantly nerfed

[marble hemlock]

assas strength isnt st, assa just happens to not be dogshit on st as much

[strange python]

???

[limber lion]

No the spec was dead already

The only redeeming quality was the funnel

But Zul removed that as well

Basically just kicking a dead horse

[marble hemlock]

if were looking at assa in a vacuum, sure, its strength is st. but when you add the rest of the specs and classes, its not really a strong st spec is it

which is kinda the problem of the spec in general, is that it has no defined niche or strength where its supposed to excel, and as a result it didnt really have any tuning goals for that either. at least thats what it feels like

[gusty mirage]

rip legion sub

[spice surge]

Early legion sub was oof

[gusty mirage]

I came back in 7.2

[marble hemlock]

ask yourself this: if assa is supposed to be a strong st spec, why does it consistently get nerfed when it actually happens to be that once every 3-4 tiers?

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

(I did not play legion)

[spice surge]

Builder gaming

[gusty mirage]

bro 7.2 sub

was probably the most fun I've ever had playing rogue

to leave legion into bfa I was actually so mad

[marble hemlock]

dragonsoul sub

[gusty mirage]

I quit first tier of cata

[marble hemlock]

rip bozo

[gusty mirage]

hit level 85 and didn't log in until legion

[woeful meteor]

The Emote Name

[gusty mirage]

dadsen's pretty hot

[marble hemlock]

pretty and hot

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

jealousy is ugly on you king

xoxo

[blazing jewel]

It’s not jealousy

I want to see a hot dude

[gusty mirage]

look at the emote?

hello?

[blazing jewel]

[dusk summit]

Cause blizzard hates assassin rogues and won't let us enjoy the game.

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

soon we'll hit that same type of vibe

and I'll fade off into the sun set

[storm belfry]

[blazing jewel]

And then we promote tryan to the next shadowblade to lead us

[slim ledge]

Guys how do I play this spec kekw

[gusty mirage]

keep up bleeds

don't overcap combo points or energy

there ya go

this spec's older than scana

[blazing jewel]

[slim ledge]

Are you guys like the only ones here it's great

I'm a fury main right, and that cord is just

Interesting

Some niche assass enjoyers love to see it

[marble hemlock]

ye i know a few fury mains

weird people, thats for sure

[gusty mirage]

I hear scana's a prodigy on warrior

[blazing jewel]

Sin is off topic #2

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

Almost as good as oxipal

[gusty mirage]

yeah this is off-topic without the cringe

[gusty mirage]

oxipal is 2500 io bud

absolute pumper

[blazing jewel]

Is it sad that you’re getting dangerously close to my rogues io lol

I think I’m 2900 maybe

[gusty mirage]

no

[slim ledge]

I can't get my head around ER in M+ does anyone have any tips, I see the pins about doing the normal rot and not playing around it but I just seem to find aiming to get the blue button light up brtt

[gusty mirage]

because who runs keys

[blazing jewel]

Exactly

[marble hemlock]

tbf we have plenty of cringe, but no cringe people

[gusty mirage]

sync it w/ indiscriminate carnage

and cry as all the real classes do real aoe damage

[marble hemlock]

actually thats not true either, im sure we could both write like 3 names on a piece of paper rn and exchange them and itd be the same names

[gusty mirage]

ideally you ER a 7cp rupture w/ IC

but like it's kinda whatever

ya know

[gusty mirage]

[slim ledge]

Like I feel like to even stand a chance we just spam Crimson tempest, while gearing as I'm 380 haha, over and over and let the jesus take the wheel lmao

[gusty mirage]

you can also spam envenom for poison bomb procs if you want

[marble hemlock]

ye just do 3 garrote into CT into ER into rupture and thats kinda your go-to m+ opener

[gusty mirage]

that's the beauty of the spec

nothing you do in aoe matters

[marble hemlock]

if theres only 1 prio target, 2 garrote>ct>er>rup works too

[gusty mirage]

as long as bleeds are rolling you're kinda just vibing

doing whatever the fuck you want

and none of it is important enough to matter

[slim ledge]

Yeah this is what I can gather from the pins/ guides

It's just press buttons lmao

and keep bleeds up

[gusty mirage]

yep it's hilarious and cursed at the same time

[slim ledge]

yeah haha

[blazing jewel]

You listen here buddy I’m here to push high io I want to do the MAXIMUM amount of damage and you will provide me with the instructions to do so

[gusty mirage]

IC kinda removed most of the interaction of spinning plates by keeping up bleeds

cause you just get free bleeds on everything every 45s

[gusty mirage]

okay keep up CT, spam envenom for poison procs, especially do this after deathmark wears off

[slim ledge]

dude what is IC I can read that image but I will spend 10 minutes looking for the acronym because Fury Brain

[gusty mirage]

ty for coming to my ted talk

[slim ledge]

Rofl

[gusty mirage]

bottom right capstone talent

[slim ledge]

Ahhhhh

It all makes sense now

So without IC I just sit there like a pepega waiting for IC

[gusty mirage]

you just manually spread ruptures

[slim ledge]

ewww

[gusty mirage]

and wonder why shadowpriest gets to automatically apply all their dots

[marble hemlock]

press N, select "specializations" tab instead of talents, click on either outlaw or subtlety

[gusty mirage]

what kind of community figure suggests outlaw

[slim ledge]

I kinda just wanna learn sin because it seems so off meta

[marble hemlock]

thats how down bad i am oxi

[blazing jewel]

Never forget when my guildie told me to play “the good spec” on sark when I was playing sin

[marble hemlock]

that i consider it a viable choice again

[gusty mirage]

I will say though, there's something super satisfying when you get sin in aoe down pat

[slim ledge]

I just thought it would be funny as an alt to slap all my raiders in keys while they're playing REAL GAMER specs

[gusty mirage]

it's just super fucking nice to get shit rolling

and sometimes if you get good rng

you'll crank damage

and people will be like wtf?

[slim ledge]

"HOLY SHIT is that an ASSASS rogue" kekw

That's all I want in life tbh atm

[gusty mirage]

SL and DF made me miss BFA

@marble hemlock

I want bfa sin aoe back

[marble hemlock]

kinda same ig

[gusty mirage]

as cursed as echoing blades was for a gameplay loop

[marble hemlock]

i dont like fok spam but at least assa did good number with it

[gusty mirage]

at least we did damage

[woeful meteor]

Outlaw 1 Try magic

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

same in legion

[slim ledge]

Why did Outlaw get like 9% or w/e and sub 4 but sin 0, is there an "actual" reason?

[marble hemlock]

PK+MAlch relics and assa did solid aoe

[woeful meteor]

Played Outlaw 1 try on a dare and it was new best 😄

[gusty mirage]

because we replaced the stupid ring anyway

[marble hemlock]

both specs were using a ring in singletarget that got nerfed wit hthe patch, so the buffs compensate for that. assa already wasnt playing it

it still doesnt make sense to aura buff them tho, but wcyd, rogue is slated for a larger set of changes anyway so theyll fix things up then i assume

[slim ledge]

But is Sin actually "undertuned" or is just that sub and outlaw are miles ahead in every scenario ?

[gusty mirage]

I remember being a baby gamer, watching seli and morningwind push keys as assassination

and soaking up as much knowledge as I could

[jovial verge]

I don't think Sub/Law are miles ahead in raid by any stretch

[gusty mirage]

now seli is like half afk, and morning quit the game completely

😦

[jovial verge]

I thought general consensus was were all sort of wallowing in self-pity together

[slim ledge]

Oh right lmao

Sucks to be a rogue main then aye

[gusty mirage]

define miles

[jovial verge]

big

[gusty mirage]

what's big though, is 4k dps big?

because BIS setups assassination is like 4k dps behind sub and outlaw

even in ST

[jovial verge]

Yeah

[blazing jewel]

Outlaws actual raid performance right now

[jovial verge]

That isn't what I would call miles but yeah

[gusty mirage]

yeah because no one knows how to play KIR

they were getting hard carried by ghostly

padding their damage

with the ring and the trinkets

[marble hemlock]

half afk? brother i havnet logged in in 3weeks

and wont be doing so for the next 3 either

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you haven't left me yet

looking on my friends list and seeing morning last logged in 7 months ago is just sad

[marble hemlock]

true

[jovial verge]

Yeah but moreso (at least imo) because the class/spec trees just feel broken

all over the place, lacking, decaying, etc..

[gusty mirage]

oh it is just not your opinion

our class tree is a tragedy compared to what's out there now

and our spec trees kinda sus

[jovial verge]

Yeah

The sin tree makes me very sad

[gusty mirage]

it's especially apparent to me when I play alts

and I see like

no damage nodes in the class trees

it's like all utility

lmao

[jovial verge]

Yeah - totally. I'm a rogue die-hard and always have been, never really played alts

but lately I've been leveling and fooling around with tons of classes

[gusty mirage]

like on my pally

[woeful meteor]

only nice thing for Rogue with how scuffed class tree is it doesn't look the same for all specs

[jovial verge]

They just feel so much better to toy around with and configure

[gusty mirage]

"longer horse duration or cleanse?"

vs rogue

"Do I want blackjack or nimble fingers"

those are your two options

you move those 2 points around

[blazing jewel]

I could put those to use

[gusty mirage]

no you can't

how the tables have turned

I'm playing sub now and you're playing assassination

[blazing jewel]

I’m a one trick now I guess

[gusty mirage]

its okay

I'm dogshit at both

so I don't qualify as a one trick

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

also beacon is gonna make me commit sudoku

I crit 4 beacons total all of last night

[keen spruce]

just use class trinket

[gusty mirage]

48% chance to crit btw

[blazing jewel]

I feel with our crit chance it makes you feel bad

[gusty mirage]

oh for sure, sorry I kept it in my bags for some reason

[blazing jewel]

Because you know it’s basically a coin flip

[gusty mirage]

you spoonfed little hooker

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

If it was 10% or something you’d be like ehh maybe next time

[gusty mirage]

yep

the one time I crit a beacon on pull

echo of neltharion ass fucked me

he legit turned to me

[keen spruce]

on our rashok kill I got 0/3 beacon crits

[blazing jewel]

Bro called shmeeps a spoon fed hooker at 10am

[gusty mirage]

and fucked me

[blazing jewel]

Oxi off the rocker today

[gusty mirage]

same

it felt great

[keen spruce]

he's still mad about my godprocs and PI on heroic zskarn

[gusty mirage]

no I'm not

I'm mad at you getting spoonfed gear

[keen spruce]

I got our 4th class trinket

4th rogue/boomy class trinket*

[gusty mirage]

we've seen a grand total of 4 class trinkets

total

of all kinds

[keen spruce]

i mean...

just loot better

[gusty mirage]

you kill sark yet?

[blazing jewel]

Idk the name of it but the good one

The orange one

That locks use

[keen spruce]

bruther we're hard stuck on magmorax

[strange python]

He did that and the hit he did crit me for 4.3 mil

[blazing jewel]

We’ve had so many of them we gave one to our ww

[gusty mirage]

this conversation is for people who are at least 7/9 sorry shmeeps, go away

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

magmo will die tomorrow

[strange python]

I hate every single trinket this expansion.

[keen spruce]

then we'll spend the rest of raid and sunday doing WAs

[jovial verge]

speaking of which I had the worst time ever on Echo prog last night - 2 hours because apparently peoples maps got inversed some how

[gusty mirage]

it actually feels so fucking bad to not crit beacon when you have 40%+ crit

[blazing jewel]

Maybe if you had a beacon and crit you’d kill it shmeeps

[keen spruce]

well i have a beacon

but i took all of crit off

[gusty mirage]

like I'd rather have nelth trinket not proc

[keen spruce]

cuz i'm not usin it

[strange python]

Well echo crit me. With an auto to the face.

[gusty mirage]

at least I can't actively see the pain

I can see it later

[blazing jewel]

Half of our raids map were slightly shifted so it looked like our spots were between two pools

[gusty mirage]

me too

I died

and then I'm like okay?

[keen spruce]

yeah you don't see the 8% trinket uptime until after the pull

[gusty mirage]

my beacon crit for 1.4 million

[keen spruce]

so you don't get tilted mid fight

[strange python]

I mean. Class trinket not proving a single time in our sark P1 made an enormous impact

[gusty mirage]

yep

vs this

[strange python]

And in retrospect it was obvious the second we went down

That it hadn't procced

[gusty mirage]

@keen spruce

[keen spruce]

when that first beacon cast goes out

and you're still 4th in dps

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[keen spruce]

u know it's gonna be a bad pull

[gusty mirage]

I was like no shot I don't crit ANY of these beacons

2nd one didn't crit

[strange python]

Idk why this expansion has just gone all in on heinous trinkets.

[gusty mirage]

and I'm like okay okay

3rd one for sure

then I saw it hit for 680k

and I'm like

[keen spruce]

I also got leap during my first 2 deathmarks on that rashok kill

[blazing jewel]

Oxi saw my roller coaster of emotions on our reclear with beacon crits lol

[strange python]

I really hated boon, grieftorch, puzzle box, beacon, class trinket, bomb.

[gusty mirage]

I got murdered by our warriors on zskarn

my first experience with it

🙂

[misty holly]

I've been doing time rifts on a lot of characters the last couple days in raid groups, and every group has only 0-2 rogues. Along with monk seems to be least popular class by far.

[gusty mirage]

they stacked their beams on me

and murdered me

🙂

[misty holly]

Paladin seems to be the most popular

[strange python]

Cct only good trinket this entire expansion and it wasn't even good.

[jovial verge]

We've always been surpsisngly unpopular despite it being a popular theme

[keen spruce]

I just killed zskarn after double beams didn't one shot you

[gusty mirage]

rogues and monks are among the least represented classes in the game

always have been tbh

[strange python]

Nerf rogues every time rogues have been good for 6 years and people quit.

[strange python]

Rogue was the most played class from vanilla through wrath.

[gusty mirage]

yeah then cata came out

[keen spruce]

I'd imagine the popularity tapered off in/after cata

cuz we had fancy daggers

in cata

[blazing jewel]

Was it actually

That’s wild

[strange python]

I mean. Sure. It's been awhile. But it's a result of game design and tuning, not a result of people not wanting to be a rogue.

[gusty mirage]

at this point classic-wrath is a significantly shorter timeline than post wrath

[keen spruce]

cuz in MoP everything was a clown fiesta

[gusty mirage]

I mean rogue was good in bfa

[strange python]

Mop was the best expansion to date.

[misty holly]

Rogue was overtuned in vanilla so that makes sense that as people caught on it got very popular

[keen spruce]

hunters killin you on your flying mounts with goblin gliders before you hit the ground

[gusty mirage]

rogue still wasn't very popular

[keen spruce]

warlocks with raid boss HP one shotting you from off screen

[strange python]

One expansion where we're "good" but still not great ain't gonna cut it

[gusty mirage]

idk outlaw was insane-o mode in m+

[keen spruce]

priests puttin tendies down that had player health and rooted you for 17 years

[marble hemlock]

not even remotely true

[strange python]

And raids?

[gusty mirage]

and assassination was very good in raid

not amazing

but very very good

and amazing in pvp

[strange python]

I mean

Well pvp has been dead since wrath.

[gusty mirage]

like if your argument is "rogue sucked so no one played it"

[strange python]

Ghost crawler killed that shit.

[gusty mirage]

the expac where arguably rogue had a place in every facet of the game

it still being unpopular

says a lot

[strange python]

Rogue hasn't had a single tier where it's on mage or warlock tier since...?

[marble hemlock]

rogue was actually the least popular class, together with warlock, for most of WoWs lifetime

[jovial verge]

Anecdotally, whenever threads pop on reddit or elsehwere of "Classes you love the theme but never can get into" - Rogue (alongside Mage) is like always the most common response

I think its gameplay is just quite an acquired taste

[gusty mirage]

rogue is just miserable to level

it always has been

back in classic you had sinister strike with no finisher for like 4 levels

[blazing jewel]

Sin chat has devolved into “why are we even here” today

[gusty mirage]

lol

[marble hemlock]

rogue is typically designed around max-level gameplay and is one of the classes that suffers the most during leveling

[misty holly]

I find that kind of wild consdiring Blizzard turned so many specs into combo point classes over the years. Just like rogue always has been

[marble hemlock]

for years a spec like assa wouldnt even get smth like venomous wounds until like lvl 50

[gusty mirage]

your abilities until like level 20

was sinister strike

and eviscerate

[marble hemlock]

youd literally have 10 energy regen until youre halfway done leveling

[gusty mirage]

and I think you get expose armor as a fucking meme

and rupture

its been ages tho

I don't remember

but I remember 1-40 being absolutely fucking miserable

[sour wraith]

was the case in DF beta too

[gusty mirage]

in classic I played warrior before they fixed the rage generation on misses and 2handers having an absurdly high miss rate

so you'd die to mobs 3 levels lower than you

and I still had less ofa miserable time than leveling my rogue

[marble hemlock]

rogue just didnt die during leveling, and was super useful in dungeons

cuz sap/blind etc. were very nice to have, also stuns etc.

when everybody sucked ass at the game, controlling 3 mobs out of 4 or 5 was a big deal

[agile osprey]

Holy this morning

[gusty mirage]

remember when you had to spec into sap only bringing you out of stealth 10%?

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

2 talent points for 90% chance to stay in stealth

[marble hemlock]

missing sap was good memes

but ye rogue was always one of the least popular classes

[gusty mirage]

better spec into master of deception so mobs don't see you

[misty holly]

It was necessary because in 1.1 sap lasted the whole 30 seconds even in pvp

[marble hemlock]

all CCs did

[misty holly]

and pvp trinkets didnt exist yet lol

[marble hemlock]

was lovely between sap, blind and engi helmet, youd CC 3 people for 30 seconds and just solo-tap a spot in arathi

[misty holly]

There was definitely a brief time when you could sap, blind, sap chain someone indefinitely in open world pvp

didnt last long

[keen spruce]

when I was playing hardcore i never even bought rupture, garrote, poisons, cheapshot, ambush

it's just sinister strike, blade flurry, evis, kidney for safety, vanish, and blind

and SnD

all the way to 60

[marble hemlock]

but ye, rogue was always very low

[blazing jewel]

I’m surprised dk is so high

[marble hemlock]

it was the new class of the expansion

[gusty mirage]

DK was one of the most popular classes ever

[marble hemlock]

it could tank and DPS

[gusty mirage]

it let the people who wanted to play pally but wanted to feel edgy

to play pally

paladin was also absolutely insane in wrath

[marble hemlock]

a fair chunk of rogues actually swapped to DK after TBC

most of the DK TC was being done by ex-rogue TCs

[gusty mirage]

I remember how good prot pally was in wrath

[blazing jewel]

I think if unholy wasn’t a thing I would have played frost as a main

I really like that spec for some reason

[gusty mirage]

frost is sick

frost also used to be the tank spec

[blazing jewel]

Animations are cool

[gusty mirage]

originally

iirc

[blazing jewel]

Breath has a super high skill cap

[spice surge]

Everything used to be the tank spec

And the dps spec

[gusty mirage]

true

[marble hemlock]

but ye i think most people were surprised about warlock and rogue being so low, when both were good specs in pvp for such a long time

[gusty mirage]

most people just remember pvp servers from the olden days

[marble hemlock]

but even just the "evil" lore behind the class already puts many people off from playing it

[gusty mirage]

and getting ganked by a rogue or a lock

[agile osprey]

Wasn't rogue pretty strong in raid during wrath too?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

arp combat

was nutty

[marble hemlock]

well it was used for the yogg+0 worldfirst but ye

[gusty mirage]

so was assa

[marble hemlock]

rogue was always solid

[gusty mirage]

but you needed a certain % of spell hit

iirc

[marble hemlock]

theres been like 2 tiers where rogue was actually abysmal

[gusty mirage]

for assassination to beat out combat

[marble hemlock]

performance wise

[gusty mirage]

I played the fuck out of combat in wrath

[marble hemlock]

the first time was the first tier of cataclysm

[gusty mirage]

stacked arp

killing spree used to actually do damage

you used to be able to tricks your rogue homies

[marble hemlock]

second time was nathria

[gusty mirage]

for the damage amp

the good ol days

you'd tricks each other and the threat would negate itself