7 ilvl tho
#assassination
balmy condor
gaunt moat
it's 3% plus devotion aura, they stack right?
balmy condor
gusty mirage
assuming atrophic applies to the damage going out, sure
gray crest
gusty mirage
strong assumption
spice surge
But again, there is no way being able to have multiple EMs on a target is staying
slow needle
But again, there is no way being able to have multiple EMs on a target is stayin...
I hope not but its gonna be hilarious this week.
gusty mirage
<:thonkang:359789831066484757>
quiet oar
I mean you get 15k less damage from a 500k hit
balmy condor
I mean you get 15k less damage from a 500k hit
so you're still getting one shot
slow needle
The only time a 3% dr is likely gonna be useful is for long periods of ticking damage.
3% on big hits is negligible in terms of survivability because you're already pumping in defensives and shit to live.
quiet oar
so you're still getting one shot
Noooo, you survive. But the constant damage the next sec will Kill you
balmy condor
The only time a 3% dr is likely gonna be useful is for long periods of ticking d...
I'd argue it's the opposite actually
a long period of ticking damage your healers are going to be overhealing like CRAZY
slow needle
I was thinking like Sark P1 when I typed that to be honest.
balmy condor
the real use case would be if it makes you survive a big hit
that you normally wouldn't survive
and those are really rare instances
slow needle
Yeah but those don't really exist?
I suppose it could save people if they aren't topped before big hits.
balmy condor
this was our 4 healers and 2 tanks on our mythic sark prog kill
slow needle
But I can't think of a single damage event in the last 2 expansions that if you're topped and have a defensive up you can't survive.
slow needle
Along with raid cds and stuff.
craggy oak
The only time a 3% dr is likely gonna be useful is for long periods of ticking d...
only thing 3%dr is useful for is early prog when undergeared which is a super small % of the raiding population
balmy condor
surviving raid stuff is all about surviving the combo hits that come together, like a big dot and a group slam, or glimmerings, or whatever it may be
gusty mirage
but uh yeah
balmy condor
and those get healer cds anyway
which like
okay sure
but 3% on top of all your healer cds and personals
not really gonna tip any needle
at least for any guild that's below world rank maybe 25
if I say its irrelevant even for the race to world first I might actually get skinned alive by people who watched 10 hours of it on twitch one time
wouldn't want that
craggy oak
if I say its irrelevant even for the race to world first I might actually get sk...
im backing
start of tier RL was asking if i was staying on rogue, which ofc i was, but he was worried we wouldnt have atrophic, had to explain why its worthless to us
thorn fjord
It’s not totally worthless
balmy condor
start of tier RL was asking if i was staying on rogue, which ofc i was, but he w...
but max said it was good
thorn fjord
But it ain’t the best
craggy oak
It’s not totally worthless
you right, a few guilds make it not worthless
therefore bis raid buff
thorn fjord
There were a few pulls I still had mind numbing on and we noticed
thorn fjord
This was last tier tho
gusty mirage
I once pulled rasz without atrophic
craggy oak
There were a few pulls I still had mind numbing on and we noticed
i notice regemming for margin of error dps too
gusty mirage
not one person noticed
craggy oak
can feel that 60dps
balmy condor
push and stealthi usually have mindnumbing and atrophic
thorn fjord
It made intermission harder for us on sark for those pulls
balmy condor
It made intermission harder for us on sark for those pulls
how'd it make it harder
craggy oak
like atrophic can always be replaced by having gear for the encounter, or people jsut pressing their buttons, and good healer cd prep
royal lantern
i mean, for atrophic to actually be noticable, raidbosses would regulary need to fo heavy hits that leave people at 5% or less hp
neat rain
The poison is a placebo 
balmy condor
The more dmg was noticeable
uh huh
royal lantern
The poison is a placebo <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
its spreadsheet utility
raidleaders take a rogue cus its another mark for the raid utility spreadsheet, and thats it
thorn fjord
Again this is what they told me
craggy oak
what % do we think where atrophic would be "noticable"?
thorn fjord
I got yelled at for not having atrop up
craggy oak
5?
balmy condor
5 or 6 probably
craggy oak
I got yelled at for not having atrop up
yell back "play better"
thorn fjord
I’m not dying on this hill!
gusty mirage
I’m not dying on this hill!
Twitter
spice spire
neat rain
You think it'll get replaced with the rework?
woeful meteor
what?
prime ivy
is rogue getting a rework?
spice spire
Reportedly yes
neat rain
I mean tbf Atroph is only good for open world/solo content imo
woeful meteor
It gives rogue a raid buff that ensures rogue to be part of the optimal raid comp of that is actually true is up to debate
HUH
mindnumbing to get meleed less will probably help more in solo content than the 3% from atro
forest acorn
i agree, i always notice atro when i am doing world quests
spice spire
gray crest
Please say cap
forest acorn
neat rain
I mean it's not really worth using at all imo
balmy condor
3% in world content GIGA
while you have mind numbing
one click away
is just
unreal levels of schizo
spice spire
unreal levels of schizo
gray crest
Mind numbing immensely better than atrophic in open world
I even take mind numbing in dungeons
forest acorn
caring about nonlethal in open world 💀
neat rain
I'm just saying it could worth it if you have bad survivability which other words [vanish]
gray crest
As God intended
balmy condor
caring about nonlethal in open world 💀
you're the brother saying that you notice the big boy 3% dr in open world
don't pin this on us
neat rain
I sleep well knowing I stick with my OG poisons
strange python
Playing sin in open world is the real crime
gray crest
If the target is just meleeing you to death over a period of time, then mind numbing is 5x better than atrophic
strange python
That's the land of grappling hooks
spice spire
Or it’s too based
neat rain
I play Sin Always damnit
spice spire
A real one
strange python
Should I get waffles or french toast
gray crest
Are the waffles those weird ass ones with pockets of fucking sugar in them? Cause if it is then hard pass on the waffles
strange python
Pockets of sugar?? Huh?
Waffles are the ones with pockets but they hold syrup, not sugar
Wait who doesn't know what a waffle is
neat rain
gray crest
They are a real thing I had the misfortune of having one day.
strange python
HES AN AMERICAN?
Ain't no way someone living in the US doesn't know what a waffle is
gusty mirage
as red white and blue as poor healthcare accessibility
gray crest
I think they are called Belgian sugar waffles. I don't think they are the same as regular Belgian waffles
I know what a waffle is lol
strange python
You've never had an eggo?
OHHHHHH you said "are the waffles" not "are waffles"
Okay I'm the dumb one here
Completely changed the meaning of that sentence
gusty mirage
he's still a fed
gray crest
True
strange python
I used to be a fed
gusty mirage
strange python
I had a badge
spice spire
Yeah but roujin has a cute dog so???
gray crest
gusty mirage
Yeah but roujin has a cute dog so???
stop complimenting my old rogue friend
stay in your lane
roujin and I built a friendship on bullying each other over a year and a half
gray crest
I believe he complimented my dog not me
gusty mirage
and you will not shit on it
spice spire
?? Imagine not being your current rogue friend?
gusty mirage
?? Imagine not being your current rogue friend?
he left me
(I was the first person to leave the guild)
neat rain
Only insults and theory crafting allowed here.
gray crest
You could play Minecraft with me and Jeffrey...
gray crest
We could blow up kittenz sky base
gray crest
There's still a piece of TNT attached to the sails
I completely forget who put it there, I think it was ploop
prime ivy
5 or 6 probably
Aren't we kind of close to that though?
neat rain
Wasn't the dr 5% at the beginning or did I just lie to myself into thinking that
spice surge
it's at 4,3% dr
Its 3% or 3.6% depending on if you spec into it
balmy condor
Wasn't the dr 5% at the beginning or did I just lie to myself into thinking that
You lied to yourself
neat rain
prime ivy
but would you guys recommend numbing poison over atrophic then?
prime ivy
alright
dusk summit
but would you guys recommend numbing poison over atrophic then?
The way someone told me was numbing was for tank damage reduction.
Atrophic for party.
prime ivy
copy that Kazansky
frozen iris
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
toxic ocean
hmm raidbots down
mythic nelth ring is surely bis for assa
or is it double crafted
for like gigabis
pale plank
how good is the timestrike stats for us?
limber lion
hmm raidbots down
Works fine for me 
limber lion
or is it double crafted
Double crafted probably.
limber lion
how good is the timestrike stats for us?
Kinda meh, doesn't really matter probably. The ilvl drop on weapons is a big deal.
supple topaz
Is sin rogue more difficult to play in ST than sub or roughly the same thinking about picking it up for rogue just so we have all 3 specs in raid for memes haha
runic hinge
Ain’t gonna be able to check my vault before work but @gusty mirage guaranteed me a bomb dispenser so no big deal.
timber socket
what does our ST opener look like?
storm belfry
Servers are up
limber lion
Is sin rogue more difficult to play in ST than sub or roughly the same thinking ...
Assassination is arguably the easiest in ST but hardest on AoE. Sub is probs the other way around.
toxic ocean
Works fine for me <:ez:587982298104987648>
limber lion
Personally I think Sub and Assa are both pretty simple in ST, but Assassination is more prone to errors.
main crypt
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
brazen zodiac
sharp viper
<:ez:587982298104987648>
how? D:
limber lion
how? D:
It's a special theorycrafting privilege.
Head on over to #tc-research and study the apl for months and contribute and you can pull it off too! 
thorn fjord
See? Special. 🙂
sharp viper
what about a special feelycrafting privilege? 
vestal wren
It's a special theorycrafting privilege.
mimiron can iirc be used by everyone these days
does not require whitelisting of your account
thorn fjord
Mine just sent too
Just be patient
@vestal wren do you have the pastebin for the rings?
vestal wren
#tc-research has the text files pinned
thorn fjord
Looks like raidbots still isnt updated tho
supple topaz
Assassination is arguably the easiest in ST but hardest on AoE. Sub is probs the...
Might have to learn sin and see how difficult it is lol
vestal wren
can try (if it works)
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/
(probably better to wait for the main site to work)
thorn fjord
yeah theres no rush
thorn fjord
https://github.com/tukui-org/ElvUI/archive/refs/heads/ptr.zip for those who dont want to wait on the Elvui drop
PTR version and it confirmed works
gusty mirage
I'll just wait for them to release a stable version
gusty mirage
can try (if it works)
<https://mimiron.raidbots.com/>
(probably better to wait f...
won't work unless your account is flagged to have access to mimiron
unless something changed since DF launched
earnest remnant
i can use it
royal lantern
i like how we spam him with the same 3-4 racoon gifs all the time
runic hinge
Cloaked up
runic hinge
I got 3 pieces of gear I’m already wearing in mine so I feel you
keen spruce
limber lion
Always love myself a socket
keen spruce
yeah i've got a 447 ring from last week that needs a socky
limber lion
Except when I'm fully socketed like I am already
thorn fjord
Except when I'm fully socketed like I am already
Could make half a spark
quiet oar
You my man, are fuckign cursed
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-14872882
Man asks why when he’s presented the most scuffed stuff in 2023
frozen iris
Raids bots is telling me to drop the onyx ring. Do i trust thats true with the nerfs?
keen spruce
yes
spice spire
Yes
keen spruce
throw it in the sea
thorn fjord
Raidbots telling me to go fuck myself with the new changes
No changes
Crafted ring might be gains... simming sin now
hoary kernel
So I havent been paying attention and found myself at 4525 mastery and 4068 crit.... Think I did my stat pro wrong.
keen spruce
wuts wrong with that
cerulean nest
i'll never get the sark cloak
hoary kernel
:<
tacit otter
So I havent been paying attention and found myself at 4525 mastery and 4068 crit...
ask the robot and see if its wrong
hoary kernel
yea at 1500 que lmao
limber lion
Could make half a spark
Equally useless
keen spruce
robot has me at more mast than crit
and almost 3k haste atm
but that's probably gonna change with new ring
hoary kernel
I guess you guys are right its just like 300 dps difference. kind of a no biggie
keen spruce
keen spruce
i was waiting for 10 minutes on my top gear sim before realizing it was in dungeon slice
spice spire
I’m almost above you in sim despite running the shit build 
thorn fjord
Feelsbad man
keen spruce
what's the shit build
cerulean walrus
Serrated Bone Spike. More like Shit Butt Sussy
vale shore
any of these Dawn of the Infinite trinkets better than heroic beacon or bomb dispenser?
keen spruce
sbs has always stood for small brain syndrome and you can't change my mind
thorn fjord
See my icon
apparently my raidbots is fucked
spice spire
any of these Dawn of the Infinite trinkets better than heroic beacon or bomb dis...
Atm it’s not fully implemented because they were a bitch to get in PTR - so the short answer is unsure! Probably not but
spice spire
vale shore
that's a sub rogue sim, we are dom rogues here
thorn fjord
yeah but the same thing is happening with my sin sims
balmy condor
He’s definitely a sub OTP
Wdym I’m an outlaw OTP I have a tusk
spice spire
I have a forgestorm too babe
Twinsies
But also true I forget
It was the play for sark 
vestal wren
won't work unless your account is flagged to have access to mimiron
i mentioned it just some messages above this, the restriction is no longer existent.
I tested it and can use it even while logged out just some minutes ago
^ see
thorn fjord
@teal iris i think i know what happened
Think the Raidbots DB might have updated after i sent the initial sims... because now everything is significantly higher
Weird
i dunno
thorn fjord
Weird af.. Also sorry for pinging you in sin channel @teal iris ❤️
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eDWwPoEGepX1aKZFAb1phV there we go that makes more sense @spice spire
Gross it wants me to craft haste mastery tho... no way no how
teal iris
Gross it wants me to craft haste mastery tho... no way no how
maybe enable some high haste gems and see if it goes vers mast
thorn fjord
I want it to just be Crit Mastery so my sub set can utilitize it
thorn fjord
yeah for sure.. dont want any haste tho thats for damn sure lolol
royal lantern
vers mast is good on sub though
the moment vers is good for a spec
the spec is fucked
teal iris
gusty mirage
the spec is fucked
dunno sub seems just fine
runic hinge
brazen zodiac
no sir they are not
vestal wren
microsoft will put servers on azur
thorn fjord
sounds like a you problem
vestal wren
so will be fine soon™️
vestal wren
no idea what M$ plans are, i wouldn't mind it
brazen zodiac
sounds like a you problem
i think skill issue :/
gusty mirage
is raidbots working
spice spire
Yea
spice spire
Unluigi indeed
gray crest
gusty mirage
What are you simming at rn?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aMnaLWQHugZ9THhqryC2Nf
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rJvnqjuRhroFm9FtYG21Li
gusty mirage
and thats with uh crit haste bracers, neck with a haste gem, and the tier helm for sub
vestal wren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aMnaLWQHugZ9THhqryC2Nf
https://www.raidb...
thought it was "before/ after" sim before i saw that its assassination/subtlety
gusty mirage
vestal wren
put a ring on it!
tawny bloom
we know
gusty mirage
put a ring on it!
I can craft an OH dagger, but then I'll be sad if I drop sark dagger
thorn fjord
just wait after reclear
thorn fjord
Just got my ring now
gusty mirage
vestal wren
we have a lot of weapon drops
thorn fjord
The possibilities are endless
thorn fjord
Could prob do Verse/Mast too
lyric crater
so the onyx annulet not that any more right
gusty mirage
I think I'm fine
onyx is kaka now
toss it in the bank for nostalgia
or vendor it for 55g
thorn fjord
Current sin stats
gusty mirage
Current sin stats
fun fact
those stats
w/ crit phial
and toxic thorns are a dps loss
gusty mirage
0.1% gain w/ vers phial
limber lion
Damn man's rolling in haste
thorn fjord
Simc default is tepid right?
distant birch
Do we have any changes for the 10.1.5 ?
balmy condor
No
ebon temple
5800 crit is too much right?
velvet nacelle
so they nerfed the stones by 40% and didn't nudge assassination at all? was i misplaying this whole time or something? those stones were anywhere from 7-10% of my dps
ebon temple
we got an aura buff
velvet nacelle
my best recent parse (85% ilvl, 75% overall) on zskarn it was 10%
i don't see it in the patch notes
i see outlaw with 9% and sub with 4%
ebon temple
it was the patch before this one iirc
thorn fjord
@gusty mirage 
runic hinge
If you had good enough rings you already weren’t using the annualet
velvet nacelle
@runic hinge big if, i'm pugging through this patch and it's been pure pain
runic hinge
Sub and outlaw were continuing to use it even if they had 450 rings
velvet nacelle
it's been simming higher than any of the rings i'd been getting
so i hadn't swapped it
minor gate
oh yeah i need a new ring
velvet nacelle
i mean obv i will have to now
runic hinge
My rings are 441 and 444 and it was already switching me off it
minor gate
probably going to go haste mast
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> <a:alert:867102038404235334>
what
velvet nacelle
my gear cap is like 437 right now, can't get into mythic raids or m+'s consistently
at 437 the annulet was still beating any ring i'd had drop
runic hinge
16’s will also get you 441 that now upgrades to 447
velvet nacelle
i spent hours queuing for every 16 and getting rejected
gusty mirage
Compensation buffs <a:MeowShake:1118932301859000431>
I don't care anymore
it's not worth the energy
runic hinge
I’m sure you can get into 16’s
velvet nacelle
at 439ilvl and 2100 rating
i really don't
the 4 or 5 i've done this season i topped dps, didn't die, etc. but i just cannot get invited
the solution is really to get a guild
runic hinge
That’s true
velvet nacelle
but other than you fine folks, i hate people
hell i ended up crafting my toxic boots at 437 since i just accepted my lot in life heh
velvet nacelle
honestly, all things considered, i had a good season so far... got aotc early, pugged through heroic raid most weeks
runic hinge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fehiiphiDABc6p4AFP3xAA
130 
velvet nacelle
m+ has felt out of reach
keen spruce
130 <:poggers:652288776021999626>
velvet nacelle
haven't seen a beacon even drop yet
runic hinge
I got aotc last week but I’m 442 with 2500 io so I guess we’re just not alike
spice spire
<a:peepoDrugs:614621585675911178>
True sim test. Can anyone in your guild soak puddles 
keen spruce
spice spire
keen spruce
maybe our priest got a trinket out of vault and will stop using beacon in raid
our Hpal upgraded their 424 lariat to 447 though
so that's nice
velvet nacelle
@runic hinge pugging?
spice spire
our Hpal upgraded their 424 lariat to 447 though
velvet nacelle
pugging sark on heroic is pretty much luck of the draw, either you get leavers and 30-45 minutes between pull groups that are doomed to fail, or you get a one shot group
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fehiiphiDABc6p4AFP3xAA
@earnest remnant do we tell him
keen spruce
how broken are the sims
runic hinge
<@221124352861667340> pugging?
Guild for raiding. 1 day a week 3 hours. And pugging m+
keen spruce
spice spire
how broken are the sims
Release yuumi
keen spruce
thorn fjord
Back to having Sub completely shit on my sin sims 😦
gusty mirage
Back to having Sub completely shit on my sin sims 😦
thorn fjord
I figured it would happen tho... Guess we're progging zsakarn as sub tonight
woeful meteor
130 
thorn fjord
Was fun while it lasted
slim hamlet
wait how much is normal sims right now?
woeful meteor
I barely beat that post patch on sub
gusty mirage
now try it with darkbrew
gusty mirage
you drop flag for it
keen spruce
gusty mirage
and inev
gusty mirage
because you smell
spice spire
Dank brew
woeful meteor
single short dance
thorn fjord
@gusty mirage Final Verdict
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ennVCjTDiZ9twxYgYgxXdx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eixDdGhfJep6CGEeZeLQex
gusty mirage
are they running single dance?
considering they never played double dance, yes?
thorn fjord
oh well
gusty mirage
they also don't play double dance in m+
balmy condor
Why dance long many time when can gloomblade much more when dance shorter less time
keen spruce
hmm yes ty
stiletto and swift death?
or veiltouched
idk why i'm even lookin this up
runic hinge
Idc if sub sims higher. You won’t catch me playing gloomblade simulator
keen spruce
fax
woeful meteor
I'm simming my sin now surely I can come close to shmeeps cursed sim with it
teal iris
Idc if sub sims higher. You won’t catch me playing gloomblade simulator
playing white hits simulator instead
strange python
No way essence is the play if going for r1s, right
keen spruce
it will give you more consistent parses but yeah probably gotta play gamba beacon or gamba nelth
and pray for high rolls
burnt latch
No way essence is the play if going for r1s, right
I have one playing essence
spice spire
I have one playing essence
He doesn’t have the power of the herbies tho
static fable
These Mega Dungeon trinkets are any good?
keen spruce
probably pretty okay
balmy condor
Mid
keen spruce
not sure if gonna be better than current tho probably not
strange python
I have one playing essence
It'll prob get replaced by an echo/bomb highroll eventually tho
keen spruce
on prog i'd like an essence
so i'm not playing nelth proc roulette
but none have dropped for our raid
since week 1 normal
burnt latch
It'll prob get replaced by an echo/bomb highroll eventually tho
Well technically not, since its 10.1 so it wont get topped ever now that new patch is here 
indigo ginkgo
so we got ther nerfed rings , but no compensation buff aura ? in assassin ?
night delta
correct
thorn fjord
shut owl
annulet wasn't our BiS anyways
thorn fjord
people were exploiting lol
shut owl
I mean... one bear was putting up sub-3 min clears at +31
gusty mirage
multi dollar company
old obsidian
?? really? from S to b?
gusty mirage
its oversimming by about 18%
old obsidian
:c
burnt latch
gusty mirage
so I'd say C+ is generous
gusty mirage
both are rng, one forces you to use double on-use trinkets
and double on-use is pain
old obsidian
one, envenom macro other
thorn fjord
Bomb on mutilate imo
gray horizon
you still get that weird beacon timing with bomb macro'd tho
i switched my beacon to dice
flat kiln
Are there any fights where the simc default 80% corrupting rage uptime would be off?
spice surge
Most heroic fights youre likely to see uptime closer to 85-90%, but it doesnt matter much
keen spruce
one, envenom macro other
then you just can't envenom for 10s before beacon comes off CD
or you'll cast bomb and put on cool down
royal lantern
Are there any fights where the simc default 80% corrupting rage uptime would be ...
i had ~80% on rashok, a fight with constant and quiet heavy dmg
gusty mirage
i had ~80% on rashok, a fight with constant and quiet heavy dmg
are you an alchemist?
just curious not flaming or anything
royal lantern
nope
gusty mirage
I'm wondering if being an alchemist affects uptime or just the damage taken
keen spruce
just dmg taken
royal lantern
idk, i checked multiple times during prog on pulls that where close to a kill, and it was always bettwen 75-80%
earnest timber
Yeah same for nelth too all of prog I had about 86+ uptime
keen spruce
spice surge
I'm wondering if being an alchemist affects uptime or just the damage taken
Technically taking less damage lowers the uptime, but its not super noticeable
keen spruce
spice surge
Its just -15% for the frost effect and -50% for the nature effect, its okay
earnest timber
I'm not even full decay alchy
flat kiln
Cool i was just worried about going under 80 on damage heavy fights
gusty mirage
Technically taking less damage lowers the uptime, but its not super noticeable
stop bullying me I'm sub now
thorn fjord
Shhh we gotta keep it a secret
gusty mirage
I am not keeping that secret
thorn fjord
spice surge
Im not bullying
spice surge
I dont care which spec you play, follow your heart
gusty mirage
my heart tells me I can't throw away almost 4k dps
thorn fjord
@spice surge a real one
Might just recraft this ring to verse mastery @gusty mirage if I’m fully committing too
keen spruce
i just need a myth track hat
and a socky for my bracer
and i'm in all 447
except for my bomb dispenser
earnest remnant
thats my sub sim
keen spruce
are you even simming the right build
gusty mirage
I already told you to sim dark brew
keen spruce
i imported one from the sub channel
gusty mirage
there's like 4 dif builds lmao
royal lantern
stop bullying me I'm sub now
you where cool once
gusty mirage
yeah
royal lantern
gusty mirage
and assassination did damage once
gusty mirage
outlaw and sub seem just a-okay
royal lantern
just play augmentation and do 110k effective dps by pressing 6abilitys in a minute
woeful meteor
I'm this thing now I already hat it
https://i.imgur.com/z3V9OaW.png
worse than law
gusty mirage
just play augmentation and do 110k effective dps by pressing 6abilitys in a minu...
I'd have to level and gear an evoker
I'd rather just gear my warlock that's 425 and already level 70
esp now that 2 minute destro is back
royal lantern
ye
royal lantern
support spec is a good idea btw
blizzard can totally balance it btw
we need more of them
just make all raids the mandatory buffs+debuffs
and then supports that give the real dps dmg, aka warlocks and mages
why play anything else
its clearly a good idea
gusty mirage
Its just massively overtuned
this is post nerf
spice surge
They only nerfed it by like 15%
royal lantern
Its just massively overtuned
how do you make the great SUPPORT SPECS Not overtuned or undertuned
like
how
spice surge
?
royal lantern
and also work in raids and m+
night delta
Targeted 3% crit buff gonna be the new PI in terms of drama
gusty mirage
I mean
spice surge
Targeted 3% crit buff gonna be the new PI in terms of drama
Ye just like fire's crit buff is
royal lantern
Make it contibute the same damage as other specs
and how when everyone benefits different from it
gusty mirage
we have plenty of time until 10.2
they'll figure it out
or they won't
freaking out about it doesn't change anything
halcyon zealot
any1 having plater errors with rupture that uses Cev's profile
royal lantern
or they won't
that one 
gusty mirage
we told them we hate externals
they doubled down on PI
we told them we still hate PI
they made a PI spec
royal lantern
blizzard moment
spice surge
and how when everyone benefits different from it
What benefits the aug the most*
royal lantern
biggest L in DF
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104
bro 2 minute destro is back
I'm fucking pumped
this is like christmas
spice surge
Are you upset you are not getting blessing of summer?
royal lantern
like, i dont know a single player that enjoys Pi, it only makes drama, priests themself hate it cus they consta tly get bothered cus of it
gusty mirage
ez just never learn what the blessings are so you're never upset about it
gusty mirage
had a pally ask me if I wanted blessing of x
and I was like yo I have no idea what any of those do
spice surge
The aug stuff is not like PI
if you actually read what they do,
Instead of just imagining how they work
royal lantern
The aug stuff is not like PI
more about the "Pi stays" angle from Blizz
not shitvoker
earnest remnant
its only a few things from the avoker that isnt calculated in logs
night delta
The aug stuff is not like PI
Mechanically sure
But conceptually it's "that guy gets it, those guys don't" aswell
spice surge
It doesnt matter if you get it
night delta
And benefits some classes more than others
spice surge
You dont do more damage, the logs are the same
earnest remnant
if anything
it should be the avoker getting pissed
if he only has rogue
in the group
keen spruce
@gusty mirage since wowhead and black harvest doesn't seem to have any updated info i'm gonna sk you
what do you drop for 2m inf
night delta
A conceptually good aug ability is their breath of eons thing
Doesn't discriminate, and has great impact no matter the comp (unless you run very few 2min specs but that's most unlikely)
night delta
In fact i realize breath of eons + the following talent for shield on it is gonna be pog on rashok
balmy condor
what do you drop for 2m inf
For wha
woeful meteor
isn't stealthi close to bis
balmy condor
@earnest remnant is bis to me
blazing jewel
im also very close to bis
balmy condor
blazing jewel
im simming sin
blazing jewel
I have disgusting gear for it from patch
keen spruce
balmy condor
warlock questions
Brubby
earnest remnant
woeful meteor
idk my sub sims 132,6 tomorrow
idk if one of my kazz daggers if from mythic so I get it to 447
keen spruce
step 1, get 447 bomb and 450 weps
blazing jewel
I forgot to put my better belt in there and swap my helm from crit mast to crit vers
crit mast helm may even bis bis
for my setup idk
idk im running some voodo magic sims just you wait
woeful meteor
idk what kind of vodoo shmeeps uses
even with full recraft regem I dont get close to 130 on Sin
scenic thunder
Raid bots is already simming with the onyx amulet nerf?
spice spire
Yes
severe oyster
How do we feel about Accelerating Sandglass? Any info on it yet
scenic thunder
I need to put latest/weekly or nightly?
balmy condor
How do we feel about Accelerating Sandglass? Any info on it yet
Get one and report back
balmy condor
I need to put latest/weekly or nightly?
Just always sim latest
Near 0 reason to ever sim anything else
scenic thunder
Ok, thanks ❤️
gilded oasis
or what
balmy condor
No
blazing jewel
sub
balmy condor
Play evoker
blazing jewel
eww stinky scale class
gilded oasis
send sin
balmy condor
Vel left a hole in the roster
balmy condor
Scanastraza rising
gilded oasis
be more fun
spice spire
Vel left a hole in the roster
Vel left a hole in me
balmy condor
this is an unholy word
Where’s the vulpera uhdk scanuwu
blazing jewel
my evokers name is Scanuts
gaunt moat
@blazing jewel you're summing above 130
meanwhile i'm scratching 127
severe oyster
Get one and report back
I have one, but if it's not good I want to give it to our warrior lol
gaunt moat
wanna trade characters?
blazing jewel
no u
gaunt moat
wait
earnest remnant
pretty sure if i redo
gaunt moat
that's sub
severe oyster
Sims are simming like 4k dps less than Bomb dispenser and class trinket
balmy condor
I have one, but if it's not good I want to give it to our warrior lol
Blizzards changed those trinkets so many times and didn’t put a vendor for testing on ptr so your guess is as good as ours
balmy condor
Sims are simming like 4k dps less than Bomb dispenser and class trinket
It’s not in sims
That’s why it’s that bad
severe oyster
Yeah I saw the thing after I simmed
blazing jewel
my assa sims
we both go sin this reclear
severe oyster
Just told the warrior I'd take the last boss trinket and give him this one if it drops. xD
earnest remnant
we both go sin this reclear
yeah.... no
blazing jewel
earnest remnant
why would i play something i dont enjoy?
blazing jewel
I thought you were neutral with sin
spice spire
why would i play something i dont enjoy?
woeful meteor
Rumor has it I played 1 law Pull today and it was new best 
spice spire
Stealthi mopping the floor with scana rn
balmy condor
night delta
It’s not in sims
wdym it's not in sims ?
balmy condor
It’s not implemented
night delta
Oh ok
balmy condor
Can’t sim the trinket
night delta
That certainly explains it x)
night delta
Going by its description, it sounds like it might be aswell as a wildcard or a wet noodle
royal lantern
<@102169801366970368> you're summing above 130
meanwhile i'm scratching 127 <:fe...
im barely 125k lmao
night delta
100 potential stacks of 100-ish haste sounds bonkers tbh
warm void
!fuu
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arctic venture
which trinket?
scenic thunder
A second crafted ring is going to give me only 12 dps extra, i did the compare right?
scenic thunder
Yeah, i did, 1 slot ring
keen spruce
scenic thunder
They don't order you to change when the dps gain / loss is in between the margin of error
keen spruce
possible that our sims really like mastery
your*
but that still doesn't seem right
spice surge
Link the sim if you want help on it
drifting cloud
you could just link the sim instead of screenshotting everything
scenic thunder
Yes, 82 crit all of them
spice surge
Its likely a socket/enchant issue
drifting cloud
no socket
keen spruce
no gem
scenic thunder
I did not put any socket or gems, because my actual ring does not have too
scenic thunder
So is "fair"
drifting cloud
:?
scenic thunder
I mean, i can try put socket on mine and all of the crafted
I have the coin to do
drifting cloud
the crafted rings come with a socket
scenic thunder
Let me try to do all with sockets
past bobcat
Does offhand dagger matter for sin rogue?
keen spruce
but why 
keen spruce
Does offhand dagger matter for sin rogue?
about as much as any other crafted upgrade from 441
i just crafted my oh today
was pretty low priority
scenic thunder
Ok, with sockets now
split grail
Just confirming, nothing has changed for us, right?
scenic thunder
That amalgamation ring is pretty nice huh, maybe 447 they can ever be better than the crafted one
split grail
Other than Annulet
severe oyster
So I got mirror as well lol.
drifting cloud
That amalgamation ring is pretty nice huh, maybe 447 they can ever be better tha...
I mean its just ok for your chars current gear
you can always offset ring stats by swapping gems, enchants
basically any combo will work other than maybe 2 high vers rings
pure skiff
!whispyr
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thorn fjord
https://tenor.com/view/busted-myth-busters-adam-savage-gif-5323191
Bro i thought this a was a hand writing
lethal mortar
how i feel going into raid on rogue watching a bunch of new classes get cool stuff and buffed by augmentation and PIs
peak bobcat
runic hinge
Wake me up when September ends
serene fiber
hey does anyone know if you can add the armor patch embelishment to raidbots droptimizer for crafted gear?
strange python
Why does beacon sim like shit now
gaunt moat
Sin gonna be top pick for m+ can't wait 
woeful meteor
Why does beacon sim like shit now
HUH
thorn fjord
Orly?
strange python
A day ago it was +1200
woeful meteor
nothing should have changed so idk
strange python
Right it's weird
woeful meteor
447 echo is only +300 for my normal beacon thats to be exspected kinda
and getting more upgrades is only a hc thing aswell right?
strange python
Yep. Nothing changed in my sim except I ran it today instead of last night
shut owl
I'm being assigned an evoker for aug uppies tonight. we're gaming
outer cairn
!fuu
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shut owl
Sin gonna be top pick for m+ can't wait <:copium:854628182104080414>
check subcreation. that bear exploiting has made all melee F tier. sin is now competitive statistically
don't even need to wait for 10.2
gray hazel
I am not the biggest fan of the new charge animation lol
royal lantern
nobody likes them lol
pure bridge
It legit messes with my mind.
tawny pike
we swap nealtharions call of suffering for the hourglass?
shut owl
nelths is pretty good tho
tawny pike
but droptimizer says it's better
keen spruce
do you have a non-upgraded LFR nelth trinket? 
shut owl
if its a higher ilvl than your nelth... then sure that might tip the scale a bit?
keen spruce
if it's an upgrade on the sim then it might be an upgrade for you
but "we" will not be switching no
also are the sims still derped? 
or was oxi and stealthi just fuckin with me
@shut owl
ig the answer right now is maybe
gray horizon
lol is zskarn bugged
shut owl
possibly? a lotta wacky stuff going on atm
gray horizon
his actual mythic mechanic is straight up not even happening
it's just heroic with more health
shut owl
my guild is apparently parsing into its own server of warcraftlogs, so thats fun. we all got 100's :>
tawny pike
do you have a non-upgraded LFR nelth trinket? <:susGe:901532227538661376>
437, they're both at the same ilvl.
shut owl
oh no; we don't have a server or realm assigned
I'm sure it'll get fixed on backend, but its kinda hilarious
arctic current
my sim says i gain 1500dps from sandglass this thing for real?
tawny pike
my sim says i gain 1500dps from sandglass this thing for real?
that's what i've been saying
shut owl
its okay, I enjoy the attention
keen spruce
it simming higher than my 447 neth trinket at 441 too
keen spruce
its okay, I enjoy the attention
maiden gust
ok 
keen spruce
but maybe 
idle inlet
It's probably been answered already but what is time strike
shut owl
in time, we'll know
white orchid
my best trinket set up unfortunately is beacon frag, do I use beacon first? or should I just take dps loss and put on dice lol
keen spruce
unless you have a truely tragic ilvl dice
it's almost certainly better than your fragment
white orchid
441 and sim says otherwise
analog mica
