#assassination

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strange python
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Okay but the spec brings nothing but ST

balmy condor
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and it's doing that just fine

strange python
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So it's doing less ST than classes that can spec into cleave

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I....don't agree with your definition of fine.

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It's doing mediocre single target and heinous dogpiss AoE.

blazing jewel
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To be fair none of the other rogue specs bring anything but st damage

balmy condor
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you don't think being +-3% of most every spec in the game is fine

blazing jewel
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You don’t play aoe on any fight for any of the specs

strange python
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Meanwhile every other class gets to bring mediocre single target and giga AoE.

balmy condor
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cause that sounds like good balance to me

slow needle
strange python
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I think it's hard to justify that sin has a well balanced amount of power distributed to it when compared to classes that do more or equal single target and have the option to do functionally strong multi target.

balmy condor
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yeah and when they talent into that, sin beats them

strange python
balmy condor
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does sin have a lack of AoE options? sure

slow needle
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And Sin can spec into cleave. Its called Outlaw/Sub 😭

balmy condor
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but it doesn't just randomly need buffs

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that's a design problem that they're hopefully fixing in 10.2

strange python
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Except those classes could do more boss damage on those fights by just not respeccing. Instead of bringing a sin rogue you could have one warrior go cleave and one stay ST, for example.

balmy condor
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but it's looking perfectly reasonable

strange python
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Idk man, your argument that assassination is fine because it does median single target and last place AoE, but when other specs do AoE then our median single target looks strong feels like some heavy cope.

balmy condor
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it's beating warlocks on basically every fight

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and it's a top 3 spec

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in heroic

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and that's like

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90% of the community

strange python
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I just don't see a world where you can look at what a sin rogue does and what a warrior/dk/marks/warlock/evoker/mage/spriest does and tell me that it's not weak.

balmy condor
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there's like 25 data points that show assassination is fine

strange python
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I couldn't disagree with you more.

slow needle
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Out of interest, how much more damage as % do you think Sin should be doing in ST?

balmy condor
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and you're choosing to hyperfixate on the one situation where you could be doing cleave but then isn't doing cleave because it's doing boss damage instead and that's bad and so the damage of the cleave is making its single target look bad

strange python
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Sin: can do mediocre single target.
Everyone else: can do equal single target but can also bring value on add fights.

2 is better than 1.

balmy condor
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it's not mediocre though

strange python
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It is mediocre single target man

balmy condor
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according to what

strange python
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It's literally the middle.

balmy condor
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damn

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you knock down the parse a little

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and now it's not the middle

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weird

strange python
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60% percentile is a weird range, 95 and 75 are the more common ones. But using your own logic, it's within the margin of error of being the median there still

balmy condor
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95 parse on mythic

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is not what blizzard tunes for

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and you know that damn well

strange python
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There's a second sentence.

balmy condor
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"only read the of my words that have value"

strange python
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I just don't get how you can look at two specs where one can do only single target, zero AoE, and is on even footing with specs that can do both, and say that's fine.

balmy condor
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says 2 sentences

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I comment on 1

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"yeah not that sentence"

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aight

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you have fun man

slow needle
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Whispyr hasn't even said the spec's design is fine.

strange python
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No? You commented on one sentence to dispute my point while the other went unaddressed

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He said the tunings fine. It isn't

slow needle
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Just that it isn't in dire need of ST buffs.

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Okay. How much ST damage should a class lose in its ST talent build because they can spec into cleave?

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Not that they have, that they can.

strange python
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I don't have a hard number because that depends on how many fights each tier are ST vs cleave.

slow needle
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Give a soft number then.

strange python
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But how about this question: what's the point of bringing a sin rogue over a second arms warrior and just telling the second arms warrior to stay single target?

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And the answer can't be "because your sin rogue is better"

slow needle
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Is 10% less max st damage fair? Because they have options for cleave?

keen spruce
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rogues have immunities

strange python
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No, sin doing 10% more st would make it wild

keen spruce
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also most RLs would take 1x sin rogue for the atrophic poison KEK

slow needle
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Rogue is pretty much unkillable on every fight this tier apart from P1 sark.

strange python
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So we're punished for our defensives now? I don't buy that. Mages and warlocks and warriors would like a word.

slow needle
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That is why you bring one.

keen spruce
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no one said that

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you just said why would you take a rogue over 2x warrior

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and that's why

strange python
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You aren't bringing a rogue because they have cloak. That's only true in tiers where you need a soak.

blazing jewel
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At least for early prog setting it was unbelievably easy to gear a rogue vs a warrior

keen spruce
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okay so why did every WF guild have a rogue then susGe

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as a follow up question

strange python
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Because they were very strong with gear from last patch.

keen spruce
strange python
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Rogues were one of the strongest classes out of the gate this patch and decline massively over time.

slow needle
blazing jewel
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Daggers from sark and first boss mythic being max ilvl outside of vault was quite good

strange python
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Yes.

keen spruce
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bruther they were only wearing annulet when they got to sark

blazing jewel
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It’s like that every patch lol

strange python
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And sub and outlaw got enormous value from annulet.

slow needle
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Go look at mid Mythic boss kills for Echoand Liquid and count the number of Vault pieces.

strange python
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Brother look at stats week by week.

keen spruce
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so where we are now is unacceptable and mediocre

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and 10% way too much

strange python
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Yellow line starts high, drops.

keen spruce
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so we need to be what, precisely 4% better but only relative to every one else right now

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and that needs to stay exactly that after all of the reworks tomorrow

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and then tuned again once all of the aug evokers are geared and statted correctly and theory crafted

strange python
earnest timber
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Do you CT in ST anymore, no right?

strange python
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No

keen spruce
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right so what i just said

strange python
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I just don't get how you can come to the conclusion that sin doesn't either need to: be the single target king, or, have a functional AoE build.

keen spruce
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you want them to rebalance assas week to week in 2-4% increments to make sure we're precisely a tiny bit better than everyone

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through every tuning change and update

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and parse shifting

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well we weren't talking about your second point

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that would be the solution i'd prefer

strange python
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No. I think when a 10.1.5 patch is launching and tuning has gone out and there are zero changes for assassination it is reasonable for someone to come to this discord surprised that sin has no tuning.

keen spruce
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the dev had family shit and it got pushed back

gusty mirage
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not when we're less than a week away from Ion adressing it in an interview

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if they can find their way here

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they can go on wowhead and read

strange python
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Rework =/= aura buffs

gusty mirage
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you've worked on large projects before, correct?

strange python
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Yep.

gusty mirage
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okay

keen spruce
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okay so we're back on the "aura buff assas every week as parses change to make sure we're slightly ahead of everyone"

strange python
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No. Read my comment you just ignored.

gusty mirage
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so would you dedicate time and energy away from the big project to adjust things before you're about to rework a giant chunk of the project?

strange python
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I mean that's a bit of a strawman, man.

gusty mirage
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how

keen spruce
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what did i ignore SusNotes

strange python
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A 4-5% aura buff isn't dedicating any time at all.

gusty mirage
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oh are you talking to shmeeps

slow needle
strange python
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It's a bandaid until the rework.

agile osprey
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holy fuck rashok is finally dead thank god

gusty mirage
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like I get why there's no point in tuning the baseline if you intend on reworking a good chunk of the spec

keen spruce
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i vibe with a 10% flat buff pat_smile

gusty mirage
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cause you're going to have to do tuning after that anyway

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ya know

gusty mirage
keen spruce
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and lets go

strange python
slow needle
keen spruce
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but lets goo first

strange python
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I'm also relatively confident realz isn't the dev who decides aura buffs or tuning, but handles spec direction at a higher level.

gusty mirage
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I mean we legit have no idea how complex or simple an aura buff is, it could be as simple as editing a value in a line of code or going through multiple lines and tweaking those individually

strange python
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Aura buffs and nerfs got handed out 6 days into vault. The notion that they might be a lot of work seems...suspect at best

keen spruce
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if you're reworking/changing/tuning multiple specs and adding a new one

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seems kinda weird to aura buff a spec by 4%

gusty mirage
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they also had like 40% more employees 6 days into vault

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but okay

keen spruce
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because their relative performance

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is slightly behind where we decide it should be becasue of our bad aoe

gusty mirage
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it's not secret blizzard lost a ton of people over the last 3-4 months

keen spruce
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given that there's a rework on the way

strange python
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We're 4 months from a rework. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to expect an aura buff in the meantime. Especially considering plenty of other classes got that before theirs. See: mages.

keen spruce
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I mean yeah it's not unreasonable

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we got one like 3 weeks ago

strange python
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And it wasn't enough.

keen spruce
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we'll probably get one after .5 settles if we're falling behind

strange python
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I'm tired of everyone just saying well probably get this or probably get that

keen spruce
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what would you like us to say

strange python
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And if Oxi wasn't on the opposite side of me in this argument right now he'd be saying the same.

keen spruce
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I'll say whatever you want if you'll stop complaining

strange python
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Blizzard hasn't earned that confidence that they'll react properly

gusty mirage
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I'm not the opposite side of you

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I'm just playing devil's advocate a bit

strange python
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Fair

gusty mirage
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I'm also on the receiving end of people coming in here every day or two and going "LUL NO SIN CHANGES? GAME R SUK"

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because apparently its hard to read

slow needle
strange python
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I just meant, I've seen you personally say you have no faith in blizzard to adjust rapidly after vault/aberrus

gusty mirage
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like yeah I get the frustrations, truly I do

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I'm also very frustrated

strange python
keen spruce
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i'm unfrustratable

gusty mirage
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it's not very fun watching an uhdk shoot to the fucking moon

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because the balance team felt that they needed buffs in 10.0

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lmao

strange python
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And aura buffs realistically have nothing to do with the rework.

gusty mirage
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or watching bm hunter get 2 buffs

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one of them a compensation for "not everyone having rasz bow"

blazing jewel
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Cant forget arms

gusty mirage
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when rogues never got that when edge of night was a thing

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it's extremely frustrating

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and I'm still convinced ChatGPT does the balancing of the game

strange python
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That's my entire point I've been trying to make.

keen spruce
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okay but we're in agreement then that what you want is 2-4% tuning passes every couple of weeks

gusty mirage
earnest remnant
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Nerf outlaw buff sub

keen spruce
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i mean he said i was strawmanning last time i said that

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then he described that is what he wants

gusty mirage
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I mean I'm saying it

keen spruce
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so i'm confus

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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other games do regular tuning

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wow has an esports division, right?

strange python
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Okay let me ask this question another way. If you replaced "assassination rogue" on the logs with their exact same numbers with "destruction warlock" does anyone in here think tomorrow's patch would not include a 5% aura buff?

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
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esports are supposed to maintain a semblance of balancing changes

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to keep metas fresh

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etc

strange python
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Cause I fucking don't.

keen spruce
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i mean yeah i'd love 2 week cycles like league or somethin

gusty mirage
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when one of their segments of their "esports" division keeps pvp balancing the way it is, it's hard to be optimistic

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so I get everyone's frustrations

keen spruce
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but they're already at a faster pace now than basically any time in the game's history

gusty mirage
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for sure

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it's an improvement

keen spruce
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i'd like weekly tuning micro updates

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but like that's not gonna happen

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once a month to shake things up

gusty mirage
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I think his issue is, they're not having often enough and when they do happen they don't make logical sense

keen spruce
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a few % here or there

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sounds great

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
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like frost mage getting buffed 3 times in a row in 10.0 through 10.0.5

strange python
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I mean. They're literally doing tuning tomorrow. Sin is just missing from it. That feels reasonable to be mad about.

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We can sit here and talk about how often tuning should happen

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But it's happening tomorrow

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And sin isn't in it

keen spruce
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a lotta specs aren't in it

strange python
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And that's bad

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Sub should be in it

keen spruce
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i mean i don't think it's good or bad

frozen iris
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Isn’t sin like 3rd for boss damage?

strange python
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Windwalker should be more prevalent.

keen spruce
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just iz what it iz

gusty mirage
strange python
keen spruce
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once the spec is bad enough that I can't perform in raid, then i'll be mad

earnest remnant
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Sub did get buffed with the annulet changes

strange python
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I feel like we all learned this lesson in vault and forgot it

gusty mirage
strange python
keen spruce
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but like with basically all specs within 3% except the couple of outliers

gusty mirage
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here's the thing

keen spruce
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player skill makes a bigger impact

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and i prefer that

earnest remnant
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Closer to 1.5%

gusty mirage
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if arcane, devoker, uhdk and demo lock didn't exist the way they do

earnest remnant
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And 4% in AoE

keen spruce
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I wouldn't mind getting brought to raid cuz rogue is broken and they want free damage

gusty mirage
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people would be able to stomach sin being "top 5 wahoo" a lot better

keen spruce
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but i'd rather get brought cuz i'm better than most of those people

gusty mirage
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it's just the top outliers are just THAT much better than the rest

keen spruce
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PI problem smadge

gusty mirage
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well thank god they just doubled down on externals

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eh?

keen spruce
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ye now we have a whole PI spec

blazing jewel
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Can’t wait for more 50% haste fights OMEGAKEKW

gusty mirage
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idk I guess I've moved on from being frustrated to being apathetic

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I just don't care anymore

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
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there's no point

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I'll continue to pay to play this game

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no matter how little fun I'm having

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I'll swap around specs to feel like I'm making a meaningful decision

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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and that's about it

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lol

strange python
gusty mirage
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I mean that's just a flaw in the spec's design

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more-so than an issue with balancing

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other specs get free cleave caked in to their kit

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we have to spec into it

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and give up a ton for it

strange python
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Sure. But for better or worse, sin has been a single target spec for the last five years. It shouldn't be losing to specs that aren't single target specs.

gusty mirage
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and even then it's pretty shit

strange python
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You can address that in a rework, but tuning should happen until then

gusty mirage
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yeah I mean I don't disagree with you

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but I feel like other specs need to be nerfed if they want the 130-135k range to be the "sweet" spot

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which from all intents and purposes seems to be the majority of specs in the game

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when you have a good chunk of specs in the 130-135 range

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and then 3-4 at 150-160

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that's a bigger problem

strange python
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Sure, but "why didn't these five outliers get nerfed" just feels like another flavor of "why didn't we get buffed"

gusty mirage
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I mean it is

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difference is, buffing all the underperformers trivializes fights, where as nerfing the giga juicers makes them harder

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I think a big balancing issue is they try balancing different shit in bubbles

strange python
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That's been my point this whole time. I don't think sin is fine and I think people should expect tuning tomorrow and blizzard shouldn't be shielded from hearing that people are upset tuning didn't come.

With the obvious disclaimer that tuning=/=rework.

gusty mirage
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when imo it's a bit weird to take that approach, balancing specs in bubbles is just odd

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like the ret pally rework, they didn't even contemplate anything other than balancing ret

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and ret pallies were absolutely destroying pvp

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because of that rework lmao

slow needle
gusty mirage
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I think the problem with that is idk how much money wow even makes anymore

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takes manpower to churn out updates that frequent

slow needle
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We know that from their quarterly earnings calls right?

gusty mirage
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and if puts them in the red, its probably not worth

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I've only ever seen estimates

keen spruce
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i could imagine that the tech debt on a 20 year old mmo is rather large too

gusty mirage
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never hard numbers

keen spruce
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any changes might be like pulling teech

gusty mirage
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they chunk all of blizzard into one bucket in their earnings calls

keen spruce
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teeth

slow needle
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Oh, I thought they broke Blizz out into business units but didn't release proportion from subs vs mtx.

gusty mirage
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I could buy a share of ATVI and request it

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as would be my right as a shareholder

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who wants to send me $82.70

slow needle
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I would love to know current sub numbers.

frozen iris
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If they are ever hurting to get people back they should do the 100% rep/leveling like they did a couple of years ago. At least that would work for me

slow needle
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Its currently 50%

frozen iris
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Yeah and i realized too late. I was gonna grind out my insane achievement. At least i got ravenhold exalted

slow needle
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Got a few days left on it.

frozen iris
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ends tomorrow

slow needle
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Does it? Oh.

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I thought it was next week.

frozen iris
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No it unfortunately ends on the 11th

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Only way i would get that grind by tomorrow would be if i did something illegal. And thats not happening lol

slow needle
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Or by living up to its namesake.

frozen iris
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True. 24 Hours of straight grinding would be pretty insane

gusty mirage
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I was gonna do that

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but then I got bored

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and I never turned in another heavy junkbox

frozen iris
# gusty mirage god bless

I grinded to revered then boxes. And just grinded out the bloodsail to exalted. Ive played this game since vanilla and never finished the bloodsail lol.

gusty mirage
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I think I'm like honored

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so I commend you

frozen iris
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for some dumb reason ive always like grinding rep. It still bums me out ill never get Zandalari to exalted.

gusty mirage
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it's something to do

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you can track your progress easily

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and you don't have to think particularly hard about it

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good unwind tool

frozen iris
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Except rustbolt resistance. I hate mechagon

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Is there a good reason to track the 4pc buff?

runic hinge
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No

balmy condor
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for m+ questionably

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spamming for PB over CT

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when they're stackedup

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but they also have to be stacked tightly

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so idk

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I guess it could help

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but it's not something you need to see regularly

frozen iris
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Saw that rotter had a WA and was curious as to why that would be needed. Butthat makes sense

balmy condor
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I don't track it personally

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it's like tracking elaborate planning

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could it in theory be useful once or twice an hour?

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sure I guess

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but 99% of the time it just ends up being useless clutter that you aren't gonna care about

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so it's probably not worth the extra visual noise

blazing jewel
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track your alacrity stacks or youre bad at the game hmmNod

balmy condor
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tracking alacrity stacks is actually a pyschopath move

blazing jewel
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my ui does it

balmy condor
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there's nothing you can do about it

blazing jewel
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I also need a new ui

balmy condor
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new tier means new UI for me

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but I don't have any ideas

spice spire
runic hinge
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I can “feel” the haste

balmy condor
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yeah

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I should make a weakaura that just puts speed lines on the edge of the screen

spice spire
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Feel monkaW

balmy condor
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so people can really feel like assassination is fast

gusty mirage
runic hinge
blazing jewel
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its a mental thing

gusty mirage
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because of the same reason

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if you hide your action bars

balmy condor
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yeah, mental illness

gusty mirage
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you're actually a crack smoker irl

balmy condor
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hiding keys is bis

gusty mirage
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idk

balmy condor
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you guys are weak

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fragile beings

spice spire
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Whispyr’s son is gonna say “I feel sick” and mf gonna tell him to go to medical school

balmy condor
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tied down to the roadblocks in your own brain

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how do you feel about that

blazing jewel
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POGGERS UI BTW

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gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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yea

balmy condor
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none of those abilites are in the bible

spice spire
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I think it’s fine

gusty mirage
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why is there just a cluster fuck of buttons in the middle of your screen

blazing jewel
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I need a better one

gusty mirage
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why is blacksmithing on an action bar

spice spire
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Not great but fine

blazing jewel
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yea idk fam

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the blacksmithing thing

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is from start of xpac leveling

gusty mirage
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is that a TP to court of stars chilling individually?

blazing jewel
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and that

balmy condor
blazing jewel
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was from when my ports wouldnt work in spellbook

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and I had to drag it on a bar to cast it

gusty mirage
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oh

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found the other issue

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keep it rolling straight to #outlaw you fucking loser

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blazing jewel
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oxi I just logged on man

balmy condor
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take that screenshot

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go into outlaw

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and then circlejerk about how bad it feels

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that your 2:19 snd

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is going away

gusty mirage
blazing jewel
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no they called me dog shit earlier when I asked if the new rtb rules for KIR are going to be implemented into the RTB WA

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and they said just track it bro

gusty mirage
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you walked into diet felhammer

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what do you expect

blazing jewel
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like would you rather look at your buffs count the timers on them and see if you need to roll based on whats missing

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or just have a fucking WA light up and tell you

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?????

spice spire
thorn fjord
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Immersion bro

gusty mirage
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dw

spice spire
frozen iris
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Shit if you guys see might ui. You're gonna have strokes lol

woeful meteor
gusty mirage
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that aint me

shy pecan
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Jfc this channel is relentless monkaS

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
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hello?

spice spire
woeful meteor
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All the shit you would do to maintain it between packs in keys or keep it between end of p1 and intermission on sylv

gusty mirage
spice spire
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We just talk shit in between globals

gusty mirage
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the only thing you giving backshots to is val's love of taylor swift

balmy condor
dusty olive
balmy condor
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have to flee to europe

spice spire
drifting cloud
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oxi are u raiding tomorrow

gusty mirage
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too many onions

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Just because I shouldn’t doesn’t mean I don’t pal

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Get woke

thorn fjord
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I got drunk during raid yesterday and asked to be bench the last hour

gusty mirage
spice spire
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New middle eastern place near us is Deece to

thorn fjord
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Woke up on the couch 😴

spice spire
gusty mirage
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idk what the fuck that's referencing

spice spire
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I’ll tell you when ur older

balmy condor
thorn fjord
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Little Nicky?

gusty mirage
proud basin
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idk which is worse right now, this channel or outlaw XD

balmy condor
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its outlaw

spice spire
balmy condor
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I haven't opened outlaw in like

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3 years

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but I assure you

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it's outlaw

frozen iris
gusty mirage
spice spire
spice spire
gusty mirage
spice spire
#

Idk man

#

Mines kinda cursed tho tbf

gusty mirage
#

ok

thorn fjord
#

Are you still RL?

gusty mirage
#

we take vaation next month

blazing jewel
#

my rl needed a pov for the boss

gusty mirage
#

where am I going

blazing jewel
#

I turned on my stream

#

he watched for 5 seconds

frozen iris
blazing jewel
#

"I cant do this"

gusty mirage
#

the successor to rae and vel uses that dogshit ui

#

wild

spice spire
#

No one could succeed them

blazing jewel
#

did they use good or bad uis

spice spire
#

HoF first ballots

gusty mirage
#

rae used atrocity

#

idk what vel uses

blazing jewel
#

@arctic walrus

#

help

spice spire
#

Oh no

gusty mirage
#

bro why you always tagging him in here

blazing jewel
#

its time

#

dude I never tag vel

gusty mirage
#

like you guys don't have a guild discord or something

#

stop bothering him

blazing jewel
#

thats always you guys

gusty mirage
#

tf is your problem

#

he's moved on

#

let him go bro

#

it's just sad

blazing jewel
oak sky
gusty mirage
#

dog you don't evne play the game anymore

#

moonkin headass

blazing jewel
#

o wait

#

I think vel is raiding rn

#

probably not a great time to ping lmfao

silk bane
#

Oxi doing scana a bully but not me pepehands

spice spire
gusty mirage
#

it's never a great time to ping him

#

when will you learn

gusty mirage
#

also no one answered my question

#

tf

blazing jewel
#

one could even say I bark for it

gusty mirage
#

where am I going on my trip

blazing jewel
#

tf did you ask

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

D:

silk bane
#

😮

balmy condor
#

I'm kidding I love you

gusty mirage
#

@drifting cloud idk if I'll stream it tho

blazing jewel
#

oxi go to japan and weeb out

gusty mirage
#

first reclear after 2 weeks gonna be kinda sus

gusty mirage
#

next

frozen iris
silk bane
#

Too late, already called an Uber to come run me over. Love u too ALOO

drifting cloud
#

you dont even have to do annoying zskarn

#

you havent cleared the raid

gusty mirage
#

true

#

I'm 8/9 heir to the void

balmy condor
silk bane
gusty mirage
#

I was so heart broken when I was told I'm not in for zskarn

blazing jewel
gusty mirage
#

so many tears

silk bane
#

Scana come with us

balmy condor
gusty mirage
#

god damn

drifting cloud
#

whispyr off the goop

balmy condor
#

this place sucks

drifting cloud
#

germany?

gusty mirage
#

no

#

ravenholdt

frozen iris
drifting cloud
#

my bad

gusty mirage
#

which is probably half german anyway

#

so

balmy condor
#

america

gusty mirage
#

you're not too far off

balmy condor
#

generally just western capitalist society

silk bane
gusty mirage
#

I'm all ears

silk bane
#

Didn't play wow either now I kinda don't wanna play outside of raid logging LOL

gusty mirage
#

okay

#

step 1) get a girlfriend who wants to move to australia for med school

#

step 2) ?????

silk bane
#

Step 3) peofit

gusty mirage
#

oh

#

easy enough

silk bane
#

Want scana and I to come hangout with you for a week and distract u from this place? ALOO

gusty mirage
#

you can leave scana out of it

#

I don't want to spend a week with a kyle

silk bane
#

Understandable tbh

gusty mirage
#

I don't feel like re-drywalling my walls

spice spire
#

is Lebanon still bad?

silk bane
#

We just keep him away from monsters

#

Ez

gusty mirage
#

and I'll answer

spice spire
#

Stable is good. Government, not getting murdered randomly etc

gusty mirage
#

uh

#

never really had a functioning government

#

so idk how to answer that

#

plus lebanon would be too long of a trip either way

#

too far away for 1-2 weeks

spice spire
#

Fair

gusty mirage
#

and 1-2 months off of work no bueno

#

idk

#

maybe I go to nyc

#

or nashville

#

I've driven through, never stopped though

silk bane
#

NYC in summer just smells like garbage tho

#

Come here to Vancouver

#

Hangout

gusty mirage
#

if I'm flying that far I'd rather go to seattle

#

no offense

silk bane
#

Lul nah Seattle's fun

runic hinge
#

Go to bar harbor

spice spire
#

Honest to god, I’d skip nashville some things to do but there are far better cities

#

You’d have free lodging tho

gusty mirage
#

I am not staying with you

#

I need my personal space

#

go to a hotel, turn the AC to 64

spice spire
#

Bro Val keeps it 62 when I’m not around

#

We keep it at 65 when I am

#

But also I get the personal space

gusty mirage
#

neither of those are 64

spice spire
#

True

blazing jewel
#

@gusty mirage god kind said he plays default UI

#

aintnoway

oak sky
#

mage patch tomorrow

#

so hype

blazing jewel
#

@balmy condor @gusty mirage

image.png
#

thoughts

gusty mirage
#

stop trying to get me to hit the filter

oak sky
#

its fine bro

#

gm is gone tomorrow

#

last day of 60m snd

balmy condor
#

Tell all the outlaw bros to get themselves a 30 hour slice and dice now

#

So they can have it when the servers come up

blazing jewel
#

my fingers actively hurt after that

earnest remnant
#

There is a sex joke in there. Somewhere

spice spire
blazing jewel
shy pecan
keen spruce
strange python
deft flicker
strange python
#

Freedom.

keen spruce
#

bruther 64 in regular units

deft flicker
#

I mean you wouldn’t be awake at that temperature

vapid sierra
#

I’ve been sleeping at 64 the past two weeks, 10/10

deft flicker
#

You wouldn’t download a car

frozen iris
#

Gf Likes a cool 45 degrees f in the room.

#

“If you can’t see your breath it’s not cold enough”

quiet oar
#

What are These freedom numbers in normal numbers

#

Any freedom to Normal numbers translate here?

deft flicker
quiet oar
#

What

deft flicker
#

So 64F is somewhere around 18C

deft flicker
# quiet oar What

This is how you convert regular temperature into bald eagle temperature

vapid sierra
deft flicker
vapid sierra
quiet oar
#

Yeah ok, but i want it the other way

vapid sierra
#

I had to google it

quiet oar
#

But i could Google Sure

deft flicker
quiet oar
#

But its funny to talk About freedom Numbers

deft flicker
#

Ig

quiet oar
deft flicker
#

Wait till you get to volumes, stuff gets hectic there

vapid sierra
#

I was about to say

#

I don’t get Joe you guys do imperial

#

Like 12 inches in a foot

#

3 feet or something in a yard

#

Hard to keep track of

#

We just use factors of 10 OMEGAKEKW

deft flicker
#

On the flipside stuff like foot/inch is derived from your body so you kind of always have them with you for reference

#

But yeah, metric system avoids the unit bloat rather well

vapid sierra
#

My size 13 feet won’t compare to a girls foot

#

Way too much variance

deft flicker
#

True

#

Which means you have more foot per foot than she does

#

And how cool is that??

quiet oar
vapid sierra
#

They owe me more?

deft flicker
#

They usually owe you more because a footlonger isn’t a foot long

#

Probably a girl foot long

#

But you probably wouldn’t create such units since that’d be sexist

quiet oar
#

You always need more

#

To be sated

strange python
#

It is time for the long maintenance :/

frozen iris
#

What does the “gate” mean in reference to the talent tree

#

Saw something along the lines of the gate is moving down.

scarlet orbit
deft flicker
scarlet orbit
#

this 8 20 points are the gates you need to spend there te points to unlock the talents below

balmy condor
#

Rogue is 3-4-3 in terms of rows per gate

#

Which you can see in satela’s image

#

Every other class in the game is 4-3-3

#

Which is a massive change in the overall point balance of the tree

#

And will require some pretty big shifts

reef nacelle
#

when is it changing?

balmy condor
#

10.2

#

Was originally planned for 10.1.5 tomorrow along with the mage changes but they had some issues getting it out

#

So it got delayed to 10.2

scarlet orbit
#

but so far we have no info if the playstyle changes or its just numbers and some talent changes?

balmy condor
#

We have no info about any changes

#

Just educated guesses

#

Like the 3 point nodes disappearing, the gates moving, exsang breathing it’s last breath, the class tree losing damage nodes

#

And that’s just to match the design of the other classes in the game really

#

Most other classes have a ton of utility in their class tree, rogue has a lot of damage nodes

#

So that’s probably changing

#

3 point nodes like zoldyck don’t exist either for basically every spec

#

So that’s on the way out

#

Exsanguinate we know they’re looking into removing or reworking based off what they said in 10.0

#

But in terms of anything more specific than that we’ll have to wait

#

Rest assured I’ll have pins up within like 5 minutes of the announcement as per usual kekl

reef nacelle
#

i mean, you'll just develop ESP and already have everything theorycrafted and have a new guide posted a week before the patch, right?

balmy condor
#

Yeah exactly

#

I’m gonna pull a x-men quicksilver

#

And just run all the theorycrafting so fast that it’ll be done before you blink

reef nacelle
deft flicker
balmy condor
#

Sepsis stuff was actually one of the quicker ones

deft flicker
#

Yet it took you like a week

#

No quicksilver :{

#

But that’s fine, seeing you on a journey was cool

balmy condor
#

And you’ll see it again

#

As I get to remove

#

All instances of exsang

#

From the apl

#

And laugh like a maniac

deft flicker
#

I want a video of that

balmy condor
#

I’ve been waiting for this moment for like 5 years

#

You don’t understand

#

It’s like pulling a big weed out of your garden

#

I might cum

deft flicker
#

I thought exsang was older tbh

quiet oar
#

Now we definitely need a Video of that

balmy condor
#

Yeah but I was young and naive

#

I didn’t understand the horror

#

Until I started looking at sims

quiet oar
#

Exsang came. With legion

blazing jewel
quiet oar
#

Or am i wrong

balmy condor
#

Ye

#

And exsang back then wasn’t fully understood for a while

limber lion
#

400% exsang RHpog

balmy condor
#

And then it was like okay just press dots

#

Press exsang

#

And then there was haste steroids

#

And it was like okay so haste steroid cause it snapshots

#

And then it was okay haste steroid EARLY so you can clip the END into your exsang cause it snapshots

#

And then it was well corruptions so you gotta GIGA STACK the haste and then THE STEROIDS

quiet oar
#

But exsang Was only viable first Patch in legiom

balmy condor
#

and hope your vita procced

quiet oar
#

Wasnt it

balmy condor
bitter crow
#

was gonna say

#

it's always "viable"

balmy condor
#

Would you consider bone spike viable right now?

bitter crow
#

but if you're talking top dps and minmaxing

quiet oar
#

Yeah fair

#

I meant it was bis

#

For first patch

balmy condor
#

Exsang was about as far behind as bone spike right now

#

Yeh

#

Bis only first patch

quiet oar
#

And after that

bitter crow
#

certain people love certain playstyles

quiet oar
#

It was venom wounds?

bitter crow
#

and let's be honest, very very few people can pull off exactly what their char is meant to sim

#

so playing something 3-4-5% lower won't matter to the majority of players

clever sapphire
bitter crow
#

yes ok, but if you're gonna play dogshit cause (say) you can't track something properly

#

you might be better off playing a spec you're more comfortable with

#

even if it's not BiS

balmy condor
#

So

#

You’re wrong

#

Cause the number is higher

#

Checkmate

#

Where’s your god now

bitter crow
#

fair 😛

deft flicker
balmy condor
deft flicker
#

Numbers go up good

balmy condor
#

The grustle

subtle tundra
#

wat da hell

clever sapphire
subtle tundra
#

wake me up when assa is meta in m+

balmy condor
#

I just doubled my hero’s damage today in maplestory because I just fed him a fuck ton of ability level fodder

#

He’s cranking now

subtle tundra
balmy condor
deft flicker
subtle tundra
quiet oar
subtle tundra
#

yessssssssss

clever sapphire
balmy condor
#

Holy shit it works????

#

Murlock with the tech?

subtle tundra
#

what a hungry cow

#

and no PI sim?!? i always knew you werent a padder

clever sapphire
#

dont share the secret tech, now we gonna get nerfed

balmy condor
subtle tundra
#

holy moly

#

i just realised

#

ITS TUESDAY

#

LETS GO

clever sapphire
#

what happens on tuesday

subtle tundra
#

nothing, i like tuesday 😃

clever sapphire
#

i dont, i have to go into work on tuesday because i cant be in homeoffice the whole week 😭

blazing jewel
balmy condor
clever sapphire
#

it being a swole vulpera would explain your swole dps numbers

blazing jewel
subtle tundra
balmy condor
#

Imagine race changing for dps on sark because you were gonna get a rank 1 with some decent rng, on prog of all things

#

And then on the kill you’re like 4k ahead of the rank 1

#

And fall into a hole on a knockback

#

And die

#

And lose the rank 1

#

That would be giga cringe

#

Couldn’t be me

deft flicker
subtle tundra
#

my rogue is still a troll

#

like a boss

#

i barely even use berserking

#

its not keybinded

#

its just macrod to deathmark

blazing jewel
balmy condor
blazing jewel
balmy condor
#

I was 7k ahead of that guy with the pi’s

blazing jewel
#

we fight for r1

#

dude if our fight lasted even slightly longer

balmy condor
#

I ain’t fighting for r1 buddy I’m out of commission for like 5 weeks

#

My char about to rot

blazing jewel
#

when we came up during the last down phase my damage during that until the boss died

#

was like 190k

#

filthy pi abuser

#

except noct beat both of us

#

and that pi guy

royal lantern
#

gonna be more of a meme it allready is

blazing jewel
#

bro

#

need someone to die on this fight frfr

balmy condor
#

Tricks the devoker on p2 adds

#

And pray

blazing jewel
#

we didnt even have a dev lol

balmy condor
#

F vel

blazing jewel
#

no dev

#

no pres

#

DISC PRIEST

subtle tundra
#

big log

balmy condor
blazing jewel
subtle tundra
#

it was my 2nd ever pull of mythic sark, first one we wiped p1

blazing jewel
subtle tundra
#

i wasnt even on discord with the guild

#

i was FULL yolo

balmy condor
#

He’s got a 99

#

And he’s right next to a shadow priest

#

With an 8

balmy condor
blazing jewel
balmy condor
#

Right scana

blazing jewel
#

yea surely

#

surely thats what happened to our evoker

balmy condor
#

Consequence has 4 augs?

blazing jewel
#

yea funny haha

balmy condor
#

Consequence about to drop 700 world ranks for not having an evoker man

#

Down horrendous

subtle tundra
#

can someone tell me how rogue is still bad in a ST raid
i dont think a raid can be more ST than this

balmy condor
#

Rogue is fine

subtle tundra
#

no need to be rude

#

just tell me im right

#

i wont even play the game until 10.2

balmy condor
#

I mean I won’t tell you you’re right

#

But after stabs cooked about this earlier

#

I’m kinda really sick of arguing this

#

So I’m not gonna fight you

royal lantern
#

but i wanna see you fight

subtle tundra
#

nah there cant be a fight

#

between me and whispy

#

we kiss

royal lantern
#

whisp dropkicking varas

subtle tundra
#

dont remind me

#

i got drunk 2 nights ago at a party and now my midriff hurts

#

and my knee is injured

balmy condor
subtle tundra
#

i also saw the penises of 2 friends idk

#
  • the one i've seen a couple of times before
#

🇷🇴

blazing jewel
balmy condor
#

I take back my Spotify recommendations

drifting cloud
blazing jewel
#

was that too aggressive

balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
#

Maybe it’s not the most accurate comparison

#

But by god those logs be trollin

#

And I stand by that

subtle tundra
#

i trust waspry

drifting cloud
#

your dm is at 6:24, your tierset would expire 5s after you died

#

third of it also gets wasted for you because well boss is doing his magic offscreen cast

balmy condor
#

I would’ve had it

#

Let me cope

#

Fucking logic user

blazing jewel
subtle tundra
#

sub player mentality

balmy condor
#

Ryler a luser

drifting cloud
#

how will your guild reclear without atro

balmy condor
#

Very carefully I assume

#

We also lost our hpal

#

And one of our warriors

#

So uh

#

Might be a roughie

blazing jewel
#

time for whispyr hpal arc

balmy condor
#

Oh and one of our tanks

#

Is also rip

drifting cloud
#

im kinda disappointed

subtle tundra
#

Wth going to the gym at 11am

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

why is it 1:40

balmy condor
#

It’s a long rant

blazing jewel
#

whispyr important rogue question

#

how is small cat

balmy condor
#

He’s crazy

#

I thought lobbing off his nuts would calm him down

#

But he’s been sprinting around the house like a dk with wraith walk

subtle tundra
#

Eat him

royal lantern
bronze pike
balmy condor
#

Already on it

bronze pike
drifting cloud
#

your name seems different on the pala discord

clever sapphire
#

its not purple yet, true

drifting cloud
#

if thats even the pala discord!!

balmy condor
#

And it turned into a multi-discord meme

#

As all the moderators changed my name everywhere

#

Wowhead discord, hunter, Paladin, warlock, dk

drifting cloud
#

oh right Ive seen that dm pic

balmy condor
#

I got up to get a drink

#

And came back to probably a dozen pings

#

Across a similar amount of discords

#

Was hell

bronze pike
#

i smell a simp

serene fossil
deft flicker
subtle tundra
balmy condor
serene fossil
slow tulip
#

new sims look ok bois? for ststarege

#

any info for the new megadungeon trinkets as of now 🤔

balmy condor
balmy condor
slow tulip
#

those are the ones im looking at

image.jpg
#

dont know if its the latest

balmy condor
#

Okay?

slow tulip
#

also the haste melee trinket from the megadung looks pog

balmy condor
#

What’s new about those

slow tulip
#

but cant find sims for it

balmy condor
#

They’re not in sims

slow tulip
#

oh ok

balmy condor
#

But from initial testing they suck

#

But who knows

slow tulip
balmy condor
#

Blizzards hotfix tuned them like 25 times

limber lion
balmy condor
#

Maybe they’re secret pog

slow tulip
clever sapphire
balmy condor
#

Aren’t they capped at like 425 or something

#

They’re on the veteran track

#

What’s that go to

limber lion
balmy condor
#

Veteran is 424?

#

Maybe?

clever sapphire
#

imagine if those 425 were bis, would remind me of sylvanas dagger times

blazing jewel
#

are you talking the new megadungeon gear

clever sapphire
#

or arcane mages in S1

limber lion
#

That's unfortunate

balmy condor
blazing jewel
#

my guild was saying it goes to 441

limber lion
#

Gotta vault them then I guess

balmy condor
#

That’s not what I heard

#

They’re off a vendor

blazing jewel
#

I dont think it was going to myth track

limber lion
#

424 to 447 in vault seems like a big jump though

slow tulip
#

maybe next patch when this dung will be split for m+ i guess

blazing jewel
#

but the normal 441 one

limber lion
#

Assuming you can get them from vault

balmy condor
limber lion
#

Right

balmy condor
#

They’re not m+

limber lion
#

Just thinking off previous megadungeons

blazing jewel
#

the tank trinket

#

looks insanely broken

balmy condor
limber lion
#

Wait, could you get the haste rings from vault

#

I don't even remember anymore

balmy condor
#

Cause they’re vendor gear from the whats it’s face