assassination

[vestal wren]

assassination was never the most min/max heavy spec of rogue

[atomic rune]

You still have to think about rotation though because of CD's and if snapshotting a Empowered Garotte in 3 seconds is better then refreshing and wasting a GCD latedr

Theres thjoughts

[gusty mirage]

then we're relying on tooltips to be accurate, that's a very dangerous game

[atomic rune]

Theres not just press whatever button lights up on your keyboard

[vestal wren]

people did for a long time do placebo optimizations too

[spice surge]

Thats not the snapshotting people were talking about

[strange python]

Well sure. I just think snapshotting allows for some skill expression and I like it

[atomic rune]

Oh youre right

Im stupid

I get defensive

[vestal wren]

we talk about exsang specific

[gusty mirage]

you're not stupid

[atomic rune]

Yeah fufk that ability

[vestal wren]

because it snapshots haste

[gusty mirage]

stop being mean to yourself 😠

[atomic rune]

Youre all correct

[strange python]

There's only like three snapshot abilities in the game

[vestal wren]

nightstalker snapshots

[gusty mirage]

yeah and one of them doesn't even snapshot anymore

[vestal wren]

fianlity does

[strange python]

And empowered rip? Maybe?

[vestal wren]

assassination has quite some that snapshot

[thorny crow]

Is mastery better than crit? im trying to craft a ring and mastery/haste sims higher than mastery/crit. this would bring my stat weights from 40 crit/10 haste/42mastery/10vers to 35 crit/13 haste/55mastery/10 vers

[vestal wren]

so we have more than 3 in the game

[gaunt moat]

How about we get anticipation back as a talent so we won't have a gazillion mutilate wasted CPs?

[gusty mirage]

around 40% is where you start running into DRs which would make haste and mastery more valuable

[vestal wren]

not sure, i feel like higher cp max just means more time is spend on spenders

[thorny crow]

does mastery not get hit by DR?

[gusty mirage]

it does, but mastery converts into mastery points or some shit like that

and it DRs different than other stats

[gaunt moat]

I mean in addition to 6 CPs

it would be a talent after all

[thorny crow]

awesome thanks for explaining.

[vestal wren]

would need to test to see how it plays

[gusty mirage]

[gaunt moat]

Anticipation was very passive, wasn't it? just makes wasted CPs not wasted

[hollow cedar]

But it would also lead to a higher number of the finisher, I mean a 1 million envenom because of 20 cp would also look good

[vestal wren]

it would lead to less cp waste

but just to gvie a example

if you e.g. finish on 4+ without anticipation

you would finish on 5+ or 6 with

the amount of finishers might not change just how much combo points you use them on

given that all you do is add a mechanic that prevents ressource waste

[loud galleon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shrewd plover]

sim not fund ? its normal ?

[vestal wren]

raidbots only stores simulations for 28 days

so i assume they run out, i think some of the links on my sheet also ran out but i atm working on starting 10.1.5 updates

[gaunt moat]

Why would you use a finisher at 4+ without and 5+ with?

[vestal wren]

it was a example

you often use finisher on lower cp amounts to prevent cp overcap

and with anticipation you can just overcap because of the buffer

so you can finish more efficiently on higher combo points

[gaunt moat]

From what I remember
it works in the way of:

You used mutilate while t 4CP and gotten a crit that would waste it
after using a finisher, you would get that CP back

[vestal wren]

yes

you basically would store all overflow as a buff

and if you use a finisher get the stored cps

[gaunt moat]

am i wrong to think that's incredibly useful?

[vestal wren]

you reduce cp loss, so it is useful

[gaunt moat]

If they'll redesign some of our left tree for utility
i would like to see it return

[vestal wren]

its not insane in damage value if you already have a gameplay loop that does not waste a lot cp

[gaunt moat]

looking at my rashok log for example, I had 37 wasted CPs through seal fate.

that's about 6 extra envenoms worth

[vestal wren]

well keep in mind that 10.2 coul remove crit nodes

so you crit less -> less cp procs

anticipation is a niche talent, and the impact was most of the time overvalued

it was picked in legion by subtlety, but only because of a bug

and it was even with the bug not beating Deeper

but deeper would make cp management more complex, so people did stick to anticipation

(outside of one mad lad that got all rank 1s in heroic with deeper)

[gaunt moat]

But back then anticipation and DS were on the same tier. with the talent system, it may be possible to take both (in the theoretical world where they add it)

You're also right that they might remove deadly precision and seal fate from class tree

[vestal wren]

tbh i have no idea

the big nodes are "tea", "dance", ER" and deeper basically

seal fate is impact wise up there too

[gaunt moat]

how good is seal fate for outlaw and sub?

[vestal wren]

you would not play without them

[gaunt moat]

then i doubt they remove that

[vestal wren]

outlw in m+ might only go 1 point in seal fate

but overall its a weird dynamic

all 3 specs have nodes theat are good/bad for them

for sub/assassination dance is fairly meh but rly good for outlaw (because of FW).
for sub/outlaw ER is fairly disappointing, for assassination its the best choice.
All 3 like Seal Fate because of the extra resource income and DS to deal with it.
How good tea is rly depends on the spec but its a "cheap" dps node

[gaunt moat]

I do have to say, it's kinda weird that all 3 specs have sepsis in their talent tree

at that point, why is it not in the class tree

[vestal wren]

sepsis only rly fits assassination

[gaunt moat]

So you could ask, why is it even an option for the other specs

[vestal wren]

you could yes

[ornate dawn]

When your sim finishes and you see the plus numbers nice.jpg

[vestal wren]

sbs did fit outlaw well in SL, but i feel like it would be bad now

[ornate dawn]

haste mastery coming in big

[woeful meteor]

funniest part is without the sub bugs all 3 Specs would play Sepsis in .5 or it would be at least competitive

[gaunt moat]

if that was the case, i would return to ask why is not in class tree

[vestal wren]

only if you woul play rotten

what wasn't that popular to begin with

[gaunt moat]

It's just that as a programmer, when i see duplicate code, it's defcon 1.
and seeing sepsis at each spec's tree, is the same

[vestal wren]

i think overlaps like this are fin

fine*

tea, as much as i dissliked it initially is now the best talent of the general tree

deeper works well on all 3

[woeful meteor]

think it's somwhat similar to wilfreds not being in Lock Class Tree when all 3 Specs have it

[vestal wren]

there is a valid argument against nightstalker

[woeful meteor]

but lock class tree sucks anyway so idk

[vestal wren]

the reason we got many carry over talents is likely time

it was a gigantic effort to create interessting talent trees for so many specs

and some of them ended up being good, others not so

[gaunt moat]

Do mages have anything like that?
(asking because they are another pure DPS class)

[vestal wren]

mages have distinct playstyles

and also have a lot of non standard tree stuff

e.g. they have abilities baseline that would be considered a strong node for other classes

so the trees are not consistent between classes and specs

also as a consequence of how much they got iterated on AND how late they got developed

basically if you have a tree that did get introduced early on and had no big changes, you should have a higher prio of changes

[gaunt moat]

that's a big should

[vestal wren]

because the dev team experimented a lot with the early trees and had not found what works well

its just a consequence

it is similar to software developement

if you build a system, your first iteration will have quite some problems in design

[gaunt moat]

instead they really focused on shadow priest, paladin, mages and druid

[vestal wren]

rogue was supposed to happen during 10.1.5

was just delayed

[gaunt moat]

at least if it will really be 10.2
in about 2 months we'll probably start getting the changes on PTR

[vestal wren]

possible

this is not a guarantee

10.2 is also quite far away

so gives quite some time

[thin scroll]

I know mage has issues currently (before next patch) but I'm leveling one and and their class tree has so many utility options, like 7 points you can choose I think. I dream of that for rogues one day

[gaunt moat]

i'm telling you, anticipation is coming back

[vestal wren]

some changes seem very likely

changes to the general tree (too many dps traits)

assassination is still the only spec in the game that has 3 point nodes

[thin scroll]

Feels bad not being able to max that execute node

[vestal wren]

subtleties left side is not great

for outlaw i am actually not sure what you can change, i think there is room

ghostly is with 10.1.5 changes fairly dead

(and so is the left side of the tree)

[gaunt moat]

Add a UI element for Audacity would be a start..

[vestal wren]

think zac/guy/solo have good ideas

[gusty mirage]

you see what we sacrificed so sub could go left side of the tree?

it cost us kingsbane and ghostly

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

tbh i think the ghostly nerf does hurt outlaw quite a bit

in terms of build diversity

[wary ice]

Rip kings bane

Even in death he's infinitely cooler than dtb

[runic hinge]

My beloved

[vapid sierra]

Dtb+sepsis feels nice to play

[runic hinge]

KB come back

[vapid sierra]

Just not a lot of build variety atm

[woeful meteor]

Ye, but if you played dtb or just didnt have a capstone doesnt make much of a difference gameplaywise unless I'm missing something, since I had it talented for basically the whole expansion at this point

[wooden radish]

share thoughts pls

[shut owl]

what do you mean? theres an entire extra two poison applications on entering instances, that's huge on gameplay/rotation feel

[royal lantern]

how can dtb feel nice to play

its litearlly a passive dmg increase lol

[woeful meteor]

the 1 extra energy from more crits with dashing makes it so much faster at least that's the only gameplay influence it has I think

[royal lantern]

yeha idk, can understand saying "i like sepsis gameplay" (even if i dont)

but man, what is there to feel about dtb lol

[hollow cedar]

Fantasy

[royal lantern]

+why is it even called Dragon-tempered Blades

[placid wave]

cause dragonflight duh

[royal lantern]

its litearlly the only talent in the entire game for all classes that has a DF related name lol

[placid wave]

had to get one in

[grim jay]

could argue that evoker has DF related names

[wary ice]

shoulda been called "dude, two boisons"

[royal lantern]

yes, but thats by the nature of Evoker beeing a Dragon class

[royal lantern]

"fking 2 poisons"

or in short, F2P

[grim jay]

2 poisons 1 dagger

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[grim jay]

do I craft the second ring to get rid of onyx next week or do I craft a neck sims aint helpin, but its gotta be the ring

[quiet prairie]

Hey, whats our crit % cap? For sin

[royal lantern]

there is no cap

you take a item without crit when a sim tells you an item without crit is better

rocking 49% crit with buffs btw

those stats are so cursed, ngl

[torpid girder]

Is exang still bad ? Like it’s says in the FAQ?

Just coming back brain a break

[quiet prairie]

Ill share my stats once im on my pc haha

[torpid girder]

From a break *

[wary ice]

they do a good job keeping faq/pins up to date

if faq says stinky its stinky

[royal lantern]

yes

you dont touch exsang at all

[strange python]

Bad is overstating it. It's not that far behind in sims. But it requires an annoying playstyle, can be bad with fight timings, and is more complicated even under ideal circumstances to only lose DPS.

I think PI probably makes exsang good but I'm scared to check.

[royal lantern]

no

its bad

[torpid girder]

Ok cheers

[royal lantern]

like

[storm onyx]

Its bugged with DM

[royal lantern]

its bugged rn

[torpid girder]

What do I pick up instead then?

[royal lantern]

faq has everything updated

[strange python]

I'm aware. The sims include the bug. It's not that far down.

[austere fulcrum]

How much u sim ?

Looks like u have so much crit 🙂

[royal lantern]

~125k

[wary ice]

do you still get 1cp on foks :^)

[spice spire]

Ofc

[storm onyx]

None shall avoid those

[austere fulcrum]

Fair, i have 40 % crit sim around 124/125 too

[woeful meteor]

@blazing jewel it happened we are 20 Mains

[royal lantern]

how should i know

dont do content where FoK is needed as assa anymore

0 keys as assa this season 🙂

[royal lantern]

i mean, even said its with all buffs

runes+crit flask

without its 40%

[austere fulcrum]

Yea i just go versa phial mostly

[royal lantern]

difference is to big for me

[wary ice]

i think my fok has like a 70% crit chance w/ talents and every time i get 1 cp i stop what im doing and write a strongly worded email

[atomic rune]

Versa phial always becasue it is the cheapest on my realm

[austere fulcrum]

What do u mean

[cobalt hemlock]

any tips and tricks you found out for zskarn?

[atomic rune]

If you kill the boss you will get loot

[royal lantern]

sim difference bettwen crit and vers is like 900 dps

(for me)

[austere fulcrum]

I think crit phial sims higher for most of sin rogs, i was just going phial default

[atomic rune]

Whenever I sim it just auto uses teh Tepid Versa phial

Idk if its a setting im not changing I just assumed it knew what to pick as the best

Although at patch start it was using Elemental without me changing anytthing too

[royal lantern]

its flasks

its a very minor difference at best

like, VERY minor

[austere fulcrum]

Yea i agree

[lucid mirage]

I've been gearing sub all expac but want to try sin again, am I seriously hurting my DPS by having a ton of vers for raid

[austere fulcrum]

Ton of vers not good

We want mastery/crit

[royal lantern]

its slightly bad

but not unplayable

(never is)

secondarys are not nearly as important as most people think they are

[lucid mirage]

I'll have to sim it out and see how the DPS compares

What are the general stat weights sin is looking for?

[royal lantern]

beacon doing crits will have a way way way WAY bigger effect on your dmg then stats

[royal lantern]

crit>mastery=haste>vers

[lucid mirage]

Sorry I meant numbers wise

[spice spire]

It doesn’t matter

Loosely follow above

Ur chuckling

Sim it out

[austere fulcrum]

Ofc but we want some mastery and crit up to some point. And rest fine

[austere fulcrum]

Numbers might change for everyone obviously, i run personally 5200/5400 crit 5400 mastery 1.6/2 k haste and abit higher than 2k versa with flask

I was not trying to hit those numbers, my top gear suggested this

Those are for St

I play different stats for m+ or specific bosses or dungeons

[mortal tusk]

@balmy condor your sim are outdated, can't access them anymore :/

[gusty mirage]

sheesh

[royal lantern]

broke the 34% rule

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-looks-out-window-gif-26527457

[turbid escarp]

Wanted to get back into rogue, which seems like Sub is the current "meta". Unfortunately after playing it I feel like it's a bit clunky and prefer Assassination. Is Assassination still pretty decent for lower keys (2-11) as I get geared?

[royal lantern]

my man

every single class and spec works up to ~+22-23 with 0 problems lol

about beeing decent in lower keys?

eh

you wont be top dps for sure, stuff dies fast

except the group plays badly

[atomic rune]

If you keep on top of your gear in 11-16 keys you can easily EASILY be top DPS as assa rogue it just requires a lot of min-maxing to stay on top of your game because I personally feel if you fall behind in gear you can lose a lot of DPS

Because sometimes some Pala or Sub rogue will meander into your groups and just out stat you and theres not much you can do

11-16 is the sweet spot since most mobs die as your ruptures start wearing off so it feels pretty good

[gusty mirage]

it's okay I forgive you

https://gfycat.com/lankybreakableasiansmallclawedotter

[royal lantern]

[mortal tusk]

19-20 is the sweet spot cause you can IC every single pack of mobs

[royal lantern]

20 is the sweet spot, cause then you do a single key and can ignore m+ for the rest of the week

[atomic rune]

I look forward to this I just dont look forward to the IC running out at the tail end of the packs xdd

[gusty mirage]

16-17s are the sweet spot

cause you can upgrade 441 gear to 447

starting this next reset

also because you can wipe 3-4 times and still time it

stack those aspect crests that you probably don't need anymore

would be greatif they were ACCOUNT WIDE

THAT'D BE SWELL

[royal lantern]

what

no

that would be stupid af

alts allready get geared in 5min

[agile osprey]

I really hope this dude made some gold on heroic carries with this number of kills...

[royal lantern]

giving alts litearlly free 441 gear would be so braindead

game mightaswell be a Moba at that point

[gusty mirage]

what

you still have to earn the crests either way

it's hardly "free"

and you have to farm the gear itself

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen doing stuff for crests on my main and on some rat alt

[gusty mirage]

is there?

[royal lantern]

ye

[gusty mirage]

my "rat alt" is 439.9 ilvl

[royal lantern]

m+ is allready hell cus people get too much gear

[gusty mirage]

and the only thing holding it back is wyrm's crests

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

I have 26 sitting on my rogue

why should I run 11s to 15s to upgrade my gear that I drop from 17s-20s?

how does THAT make sense?

also why is it still a 1 to 1 trade

for downgrading crests

1 aspect should be worth at LEAST 2 wyrms

[woeful meteor]

it's a kazzak player so following the stereotype that's his rl income right there

[royal lantern]

i mean, im not a fan of the current gearing system because its far too effective oxi

so im the wrong guy to ask stuff like that

[gusty mirage]

you're crazy

[royal lantern]

litearlly 1 step away from a gear vendor

[royal lantern]

I PLAY ROGUE IN 2023 IN RAIDS

ofc i am

[gusty mirage]

like the idea that the new system is "free loot" is hilarious to me

because you still need to loot the item you want to upgrade lol

in fact it fixes the problem people had with previous systems

normal and heroic loot are still relevant

and with 10.1.5 the early mythic loot isn't useless anymore

[silk bane]

the new gear system is fucking lit. its so good. it allows them to tune boses easier too. like other than zskarn and sark no other changes really. thats massive!

idk

games much ebtter with this loot system

[oak sky]

They can slow it down pretty easily by just reducing the cap

Honestly

If thats a problem

[silk bane]

better

[gusty mirage]

yeah if they're worried about ilvl acquisition

simply lower the cap

problem solved

good system stays

[oak sky]

Which like

I think would be a good change

[gusty mirage]

if they blow this up and go back to the old system I'm going to scream

[royal lantern]

yes

[oak sky]

Yeah that would just be bad

[gusty mirage]

but they should make crests account wide

it makes no sense for them not to be

[royal lantern]

system itself is fine

the ilvl infaltion for low effort is not

[oak sky]

They should definitely just reduce the caps early on

[royal lantern]

alteast thats my opinion

[silk bane]

also think about new player experience. imagine comign in and theyre like yeah u gotta farm for 6 months to get your gear. no one would wanna play the game. VS oh u just farm for 2 weeks and youre liiiit

[royal lantern]

like

[gusty mirage]

I mean is it low effort?

[oak sky]

Dont think valor cap was ever a problem previously tbh

[royal lantern]

system by itself how its works? great

[gusty mirage]

I remember the first 2 weeks of the season

it was for sure not low effort to get the aspects crests

[silk bane]

crafted being max ilvl + tier + unique items that you can upgrade to somewhat reasonable ilvl is honestly the dream.

[gusty mirage]

bricking 20s for vault slots

having to deplete 3 keys to get 1 crest

when those depletes lasted 45min to an hour

hardly low effort

if you're talking about now

sure yeah

[silk bane]

thats a dungeon tuning issue tbh. no reason why stink breath should one shot my warlock turreting in the back lul

[gusty mirage]

but 20s were cake walks this point of the season last season

as people get gear, things get easier

as they should

it's an RPG after all

[austere fulcrum]

how good is it to craft torc of passed time 447 ? it sims 0.2 higher for me but off hand weapon or belt 447 also 0.2 ish

couldnt decide what to craft

[grim tree]

Hello, one question I want to ask the jewelry ring, what stats should I put on it, knowing that in raid I play assa and in mythical I play subtlety what would you do critical mastery?

[lethal mortar]

beacon is really worse than irideus frag for sin?

so equip beacon is what ur saying

no u

[winter gale]

Was anvil trinket buffed or something is wrong with my sim? 😄

[spice spire]

No

It’s been okayish

[winter gale]

0.6% upgrade

[spice spire]

If you have bad trinkets

[winter gale]

Vs bomb 441 and 441 essence on droptimizer sim with all buffs for it*

[spice spire]

[winter gale]

Nvm, Im an imbecil 😄

[sick aspen]

!whispyr

[winter gale]

Reseted sim settings so it reverted Omnius into 'no ally buffs' and removed 'Azure/Mastery' buff

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

sims actually remove 0 stacks

fragment for assassination is winning gold at the scuffed awards

thats for sure

[lethal mortar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[young briar]

When do we send Beacon bois

[royal lantern]

on cd

[supple snow]

I think Whispyr said after rupture, before sepsis is best time in opener and then on CD.

I could be wrong though

[gusty mirage]

garrote > snd > ER > Rupture > beacon > rest of opener

[fading mason]

is there a wa that tells u when u should feint in raid ?

[limber lion]

No

[cerulean nest]

anyone gonna be using 447 anvil next week?

it sims slightly higher than my 441 beacon but obviously a few crits would change that I'd imagine

[balmy condor]

Yeh maybe this weekend

[austere fulcrum]

can someone tell me in which case ı should go zoldyck 3/3 on rashok ?

[spice spire]

When it’s the optimized build (which it’s not)

[balmy condor]

If you get your Deathmark at 35% you should play it

But I’m unsure if it’s possible now without exsang

[austere fulcrum]

i think ı do cast a DM and it fully runs after 35%

llet me look at my logs

difference would be minor right ?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[gaunt moat]

At what exact point does neltharion get 99% reduced damage at second phase?

[royal lantern]

think it was 35%?

idk, never look at it tbh

[gaunt moat]

is it depending on his health?

[royal lantern]

yes

[gaunt moat]

oh, i thought it depends on add

[royal lantern]

its so that you cant just end the fight at p2 lmao

its just a hardstop

[gaunt moat]

oh... i should cleave then

[celest marlin]

when do you vanish on Sepsis opener no sang?

[cinder stump]

is there a reason sims use deathmark immediately after sepsis? does it gain the benefit of the stealth damage?

[cinder stump]

i do garrote-->slice n dice ---> repirmand (potion) -->rupture --> vanish --> garrote --> deathmark ---> sepsis ---> shiv---> envenom

[royal lantern]

because you wanna DM at some point, and also want a GCD bettwen using sepsis and shiv

thats it

has nothing to do with sepsis itself

its really just an "all dots are up, DM time" thing

[celest marlin]

so sepsis before deathmark? isnt that los of 1-2secs of deathmark?

[cinder stump]

thats what i was asking about it looks like im wrong there id flip the twom i think im witching mine as well

[cinder stump]

and thanks

[clever sapphire]

Is that a sark opener? Because your first vanish should be at your second deathmark usually so 2 min into the fight

[celest marlin]

why not use it on first aswell since it still will be available on 2min mark?

[cinder stump]

yeah thats what i thought as well

[clever sapphire]

Waste of a gcd 🤷‍♂️

You are overcapping garrote timer by like 20 seconds with that opener also

Cause out of sepsis you garrote too

[celest marlin]

when sepsis finishes you reapply garrote again? hmm

thats like 5-6 secs left of deathamrk

[cinder stump]

sooo it should just be garrote ---> slice n dice --> reprimand ( pot) --> rupture ---> sepsis--> deathmark ---> shiv ---> envenom etc.

?

[royal lantern]

yes

[cinder stump]

gotcha ill switch things around

[storm belfry]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm belfry]

I click the links in there and they say the sim doesn’t exist

I think my browser is fucked

[tacit otter]

sims can expire, and those did

[storm belfry]

Sadge

[vestal wren]

sims expire after 28 days, the links expired

[storm belfry]

Ty fuu

[winter gale]

This text '2' means to use 1st garrote where it is on the pic and 2nd one close to an end?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[polar fiber]

So is iridium frag still over simming? I saw the pins said don’t use it. I got bomb dispenser today and I’m trying to figure out what to run out of: iridium frag, bomb dispenser, chromatic, and ele anvil

[woeful meteor]

should be bomb + chromatic

sim it tho

[tacit otter]

i would just sim without fragment and choose the highest combination

if the other trinkets are somewhat equal in ilvl

[polar fiber]

That’s what I was thinkin 😛 tyvm

[arctic venture]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[arctic venture]

who is the top 1 rogue sin in the world?

[half comet]

is assassin rogue good? i dont see many use it

[arctic venture]

there must be some pro at top

[alpine pagoda]

Rogue reworks pog

[half comet]

i saw new patch nothing about assassin 😭

[sick aspen]

new message for whispyr to pin atleast 😛

[lethal mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

No

[blazing jewel]

He’s the #1 in my heart

[spice spire]

Stat wise it’s zikli atm

[balmy condor]

who

[blazing jewel]

R1 all stars atm

[spice spire]

It was literally asked

[balmy condor]

no i just literally never heard of them

[arctic venture]

do we have his armory?

[blazing jewel]

He’s in a pretty good guild

[royal lantern]

im the #1 assassination rogue in my area

[ember mural]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[royal lantern]

cus nobody lives here anyway

[ember mural]

wait

[blazing jewel]

BRB moving to tryans area

[royal lantern]

that would boost the population by 0,5%

[blazing jewel]

Ayo?

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr kill the lizard tonight

It’s time

[woeful meteor]

he doesn't raid tonight

[royal lantern]

1%echo wipes

multiple times

[woeful meteor]

unless they are the unethical extra day

[blazing jewel]

How do I always get their days wrong

[balmy condor]

[uncut isle]

Hello!! Is there anyone here that wouldn't mind giving me some feedback? I just switched over to Assa and I feel like I'm sorta 'not getting it'. Or should I ask this question elsewhere?

[balmy condor]

we are the people

[blazing jewel]

Quake you kill the lizard tonight

[gusty mirage]

how do you always get everything wrong?

[balmy condor]

who can help you getting it

[gusty mirage]

he's on rashok bro

wtf

[blazing jewel]

Don’t use armory use wclogs

[arctic venture]

whatever yeah

[woeful meteor]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormreaver/Zikli

[soft shale]

we got zskarn to 40% too

[blazing jewel]

You kill the lizard tonight

[soft shale]

lizard soon

[spice spire]

Mf actually gonna say that I’m getting ce tonight when I’m rashok

[gusty mirage]

I'm not raiding tonight

[soft shale]

ahgahaha

[arctic venture]

tksa lets check out

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

I'm off until the 11th

[woeful meteor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26699775?mode=detailed&zone=33#metric=dps

[gusty mirage]

no content for you

[blazing jewel]

I have reclear tonight with a new tank

[spice spire]

Yeah lil bro let’s prog rashok zskarn echo and lizard all one night

[blazing jewel]

That will be content

[gusty mirage]

imagine getting a new tank and not trialing oxipal

[spice spire]

Free

[gusty mirage]

heartbroken

[balmy condor]

if you weren't shit you already would have

[gaunt moat]

Spent all night reprogressing phase 1 mostly

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

same

[spice spire]

When ur right ur right

But I am shit so here we are

[gusty mirage]

bro trust I'd position bosses so you wouldn't get parried @blazing jewel

[ember mural]

i held him back

[gusty mirage]

name another tank who'd do that

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean same
you said you got to 1%

[blazing jewel]

Impossible

[soft shale]

first rashok pulls with new tank

[balmy condor]

Im altways right

[gusty mirage]

I am simply assembled uniquely

[spice spire]

That’s false

[balmy condor]

no thats left

[gusty mirage]

how is it false

he said altways right

[spice spire]

First rashok pulls with a new guild

[gusty mirage]

you're so stupid lmao

omg

bro change your pfp I know george is smarter than that

[soft shale]

oxi wins the case again

[blazing jewel]

Why are the fancy names fighting

[balmy condor]

george would've heard the dogwhistle

[uncut isle]

Awesome! So, I'm currently progging on mythic experiments with my guild. I'm consistently around 80k dps. I switched from Sub to Assa last Monday(?), I'm doing way less than top gear says I should be doing. We save CDs until 1st boss is at 50%? So I can't use Deathmark and such at the beginning. Any tips/suggestions would be very welcome!

[gusty mirage]

I was nice to daps today so I have to counter-act it somehow

[blazing jewel]

Dude I saw “George” was typing in OT and my stupid ass thought wtf George doesn’t have thumbs @spice spire

[soft shale]

understandable

[gaunt moat]

@uncut isle That's kinda weird fight to compare to sim, it has many periods where you can't dps, so don't look at the sim too strictly
also, i think it's a pretty bad fight for sin

[spice spire]

Also holding CDs

[balmy condor]

top gear isn't really a stand in for bosses with downtime and stuff, best thing to do it just make sure you aren't holding ALL your cds

like you can still shiv and er and all that

but yeh holding is uh

bit cringe

[uncut isle]

Yea that's fair! I do use sepsis and such ofc. So it's just this boss is crap?

[spice spire]

Wait if you sepsis the first boss and it dies within x time

[balmy condor]

boss sucks a bit if you're doing strats like that

[spice spire]

Do you get the reset?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

but ngl your rl's strat is kinda sus

the first boss is whatever

[blazing jewel]

Lil bros cooking too much rn

[gaunt moat]

we did same, it's so that the 3rd boss won't immediately use breath when it comes

[spice spire]

My ass is not cooking rn

[blazing jewel]

Realz typing in outlaw

[uncut isle]

That's fair. I'm honestly quite an inexperienced player so it's a lot haha. Because usually for the opener rotation I do;

Garrote -> Slice and Dice -> Mutilate x 2 -> Rupture -> Sepsis -> Shiv -> Garrote(at the end of sepsis) -> Deathmark -> Envenom -> Echoing Reprimand. Basically what Whispyr's(?) guide says on wowhead.

So for the opener right now I'm just doing all of that save Deathmark and trinkets and such

[spice spire]

Man’s got a lot to do.
Transparency is super nice

It wasn’t even pinged huge

[royal lantern]

bettwen those promising p3 almost kill pulls, we Spend most of the night wiping in p1 again

cus

WA NOT WORKING

DIDNT SHOW ME THE SPOT SORRY

[gaunt moat]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i can't with that shit

[blazing jewel]

Is your raid all on bigwigs

[gusty mirage]

you'll feel more comfortable with time, just don't beat yourself if you mess something up

we all do

[blazing jewel]

Dbm was having a bad time with those WAs

[gusty mirage]

even my old crusty ass messes things up

[royal lantern]

the sad thing is just, idk if peoplr legit have Problems or just use it as an excuse

[uncut isle]

I appreciate that! It feels quite complicated to play to be honest

[spice spire]

Yeah cuz u got old man hands

[royal lantern]

like 80% are bigwigs, im on dmb and had 0problems at all

[strange python]

You and I can fight if you want

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

Weird

[gusty mirage]

Yeah most of it ends up turning into muscle memory, just takes reps

so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just drill the basics and then you'll be cranking DPS in no time

[gusty mirage]

too late I already picked quake as my public enemy #1

[strange python]

My enemy left the server 😦

[gusty mirage]

wdym I'm still here

[uncut isle]

Gotcha! Is there anything I should take in mind during the normal rotation? Like I get the opener. I keep vanish for the 2nd Deathmark like 2 minutes into the fight. I noticed there's points where Sepsis and Deathmark sorta realign again timing-wise?

[strange python]

My main enemy

[uncut isle]

Is that the point where I do the opener rotation again?

[gusty mirage]

so here's the funky thing with sepsis, eventually you'll notice that most of the time sepsis's garrotes cover DM anyway

[strange python]

Ladies and gentlemen. I have replaced annulet and eranog rings.

[gusty mirage]

if that ends up being the case you can play around with vanish to get more imp garrote uptime

but that's something I'd worry about waaaay later down the line

[uncut isle]

And that's also the big thing with assa right, keeping up the big Garrote uptime?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

that's a big chunk of our damage

[gaunt moat]

@blazing jewelwhat's cto

[blazing jewel]

Count the odds

[gaunt moat]

what's count the odds

[blazing jewel]

The random buff procs in the outlaw tree

[uncut isle]

I'll just keep practicing then 🙂 thanks a lot for the help. I do think the playstyle is super fun

[idle inlet]

Can someone explain why fok doesn't give the same amount of cp as shuriken storm from a design standpoint. It feels like it should

[royal lantern]

cus they are different abilitys

[limber lion]

Definitely shouldn't

[gusty mirage]

you got this, and if you ever have any questions feel free to drop em in here

we're usually nice

except for @blazing jewel

he's from florida

he can't help himself

[blazing jewel]

Bro?

[uncut isle]

hahaha, fair enough! I do have one more actually. So, with the starting rotation, it's like

[royal lantern]

and because the OG desing of sublety was "use shuriken storm.to isntantly get full cp and then do eviscerate, do this fast all the time" as its "aoe rotation" for a longer time

[gusty mirage]

[static fable]

cos assa got no love

[uncut isle]

When you get to Sepsis, you get 1 free stealth ability so that goes to Garrote? And then another one after that, right? So that also goes to garrote? And do I just literally wait between those 2 garrotes before proceeding with the rest of the rotation?

Or am I doing something wrong there?

[gusty mirage]

yep, always garrote with sepsis

[strange python]

How toxic is scana that you used him as the exception and not me

[blazing jewel]

I don’t think having 2 specs with the same aoe generator would be a ton of fun

[spice spire]

His name is Kyle

[gusty mirage]

You're not from florida and your name isn't Kyle

[spice spire]

That’s my response

Damn oxi

One brain cell

[static fable]

yep, but you have to hold the proc till it almost ends

[uncut isle]

I got the uhh

the weakaura

[strange python]

😦 I haven't gotten into enough fights here clearly.

[uncut isle]

So that's also part of the playstyle? Legit just waiting for stuff sometimes?

[static fable]

yep

[blazing jewel]

We can be toxic together

[static fable]

and hold a shiv+tea for sepsis

[gusty mirage]

yep that's assassination in a nut shell

[uncut isle]

yea I'm always holding at least 1 shiv in reserve. Is shiv also important for Deathmark actually?

[strange python]

Can I join consequence too

[static fable]

yep

[blazing jewel]

They only hand pick the best rogues they can find on the NA servers (I am shit at the game)

[uncut isle]

I think that's the point I'm still struggling with a bit. I think(?) I get most of the rotation, but I'm not really sure as to the timing

[royal lantern]

if you wanna be safe

just dont use shiv by itself unless you are about to get the 2nd stack, and you always have a charge for sepsis/dm that way

doesnt even result in less casts trought out a fight

[gaunt moat]

@royal lanternHow do you do the beginning of phase 1 btw?
When he's pulled the the corner I shadowstep him
Then I stay and cloak the AoE hit
Then I sprint and shadowstep him again

[blazing jewel]

Notter are you talking nelth

[keen spruce]

das what whispyr does iirc

[royal lantern]

i keep cloak all the time in case i get shity hearth momenta

[gusty mirage]

timing comes with comfort levels, when you got everything down pat you can start playing around with timings etc

[royal lantern]

like, having to walk in fire, i rather have cloak ready

[gusty mirage]

realistically you need to be super comfy with every aspect of a spec to be able to tweak the recommended timings, ya know?

[uncut isle]

Fair! Turns back to what you said earlier!

[royal lantern]

and we hit the p1 dps stop/forced p2 99% dmg reduction anyway, no reason to greed my deffensives anyway

[gusty mirage]

also pulls on the boss helps a TON

because sometimes it's better to delay a CD if a mechanic is about to happen, etc

[blazing jewel]

On the first time he’s pulled to the corner I would refresh rupture as he’s running because it just hits pandemic at that moment so when you cast your next envenom if PB procs he’s stationary

But nelth p1 damage doesn’t matter all that much

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[royal lantern]

ye, i have to stop a couple seconds after the 2nd dm anyway cus we need to hold dps

[uncut isle]

What I'm not entirely(?) getting yet is the wait for garrote. So I did rupture -> Sepsis -> Shiv -> .. this garrote. Do I use this actually two times? One for each 'stealth' ability? Can I use other abilities in the meantime?

[gusty mirage]

ideally you'd sepsis > gar > shiv for the first part of sepsis

so that shiv covers the last bonk on sepsis

that first one is getting wasted pandemic timing regardless if you hold it or not

ya know

cause it's so close to the opening garrote

[gaunt moat]

My cloak comes back in time for phase 2 anyway
and i don't see anywhere else i'm gonna use it on P1

Can't really cloak volcanic heart, since i'll have to move away anyway
or.. wait, does cloak remove volcanic heart completely?

like.. the circle disspears?

[gusty mirage]

the circle doesn't disappear

but you never get the dot

[gaunt moat]

the dot isn't an issue though right?
so it's not worth cloaking

[uncut isle]

oxi would you mind if I DMed you a short clip of what I'm doing rn? totally okay if you'd rather not, just me trying to get this rotation down

[gusty mirage]

if your healers don't hate you, no not really

I saved cloak mostly for the shitty overlaps with the umbral destruction or whatever the raid wide damage is

because that shit hurts

[gusty mirage]

I would not

go for it my friend

[uncut isle]

Super appreciated!!

[gusty mirage]

and deep into prog I saved it for when I was getting ice lanced for 120k when I got MC'd

😐

[soft shale]

bro i got a cannon from a TYRANT

the other

day

200k into the back

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, i died on the one time we got to 3rd add
since i wasn't topped off, he blasted, and I didn't feint.
But i've put the "raid damage" bar in the middle of the screen now. i think feint should be good enough.

[blazing jewel]

I think the only time I cloak during that fight is if someone double stacks me with a bomb or if I get corrupted during the transition to the second add

Even now you live double stacked bombs with 0 issue when you have feint up

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

ngl

I'm waiting for reprog

gonna hit our frost mage with a nice beacon

[soft shale]

then jumped by 4 dogs

[gusty mirage]

payback's a bitch

[soft shale]

and pelted by 20 imps

[blazing jewel]

Bansherz had it coming

[soft shale]

felt like colombia gang

[gaunt moat]

by bomb you mean volcanic heart?

[blazing jewel]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

I 100% guarantee our warlocks hate me btw

I was 100% using their imps and dogs for CP

with fok

[soft shale]

worth

vengeance

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

tips for nelth:
feint works on fucking everything
cloak is great for raid wide damage and in p3 when a caster inevitably steals your portal

and you can evasion the wallbreaks

enjoy prog boys

110% recommend evasioning the wallbreak in p2 when everyone's moving across the entire room to the add

everyone gets 3-4 stacks and are rotting

and you're just chillin

[gaunt moat]

how does evasion work for that

[soft shale]

just press it looking at the wall

but maybe someone tried not looking idk

if anyone can confirm

it also helps corrupting rage uptime

[gaunt moat]

not using that

i was looking at lorrgs, and was wondering why i see people using evasion

[soft shale]

same as i love feint working on so many things i got rashok with 87% uptime

[gaunt moat]

i was thinking "are they taking elusviness?"

[soft shale]

possible too tbh

nothing kinda needs cheat

unless an add targets you and melees

[gusty mirage]

don't need to look at the wall

it's weird

[gaunt moat]

nope, that's the mythic nelth breakdown

[soft shale]

oh nice so it is like BH

problem i have with BH is second evasion sometimes

[spice surge]

Need to look at boss

[soft shale]

nice clarify

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[gaunt moat]

that might be the most unintuitive rogue bullshit i've heard to this day.

[gusty mirage]

as long as the boss is in front of you

you're good

which I mean

you will be cause you're doing damage

😛

[blazing jewel]

Oxi enlightened me to this just now

And then called me bad at the game

I’m putting in a complaint to hr

Which is also oxi

[gusty mirage]

HR is the purple names

fight me irl kyle

idk

[gaunt moat]

So Oxi, just to be clear, you recommened to evasion after killing first add right before wall break

[blazing jewel]

That overlap usually hits pretty hard

[gusty mirage]

yessir

[blazing jewel]

When you go from first to second add

[gusty mirage]

that overlap is prolly the worst in p2

minus hearts + umbral

which is later in p2?

[blazing jewel]

A lot of people have to be moving during that so you’re not going to get a lot of healing

[gusty mirage]

it's been almost a month since I've pulled that boss

holy

time flies when you're wiping 262 times on sark

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

boss died

got fancy title

we call it a dub

[balmy condor]

I always cloaked this one btw

[gaunt moat]

we have a gate there at that point
spent most raid trying to position that gate so it will even work

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's normal

I cloak it and just walk with the boss

instead of taking the gate

[gaunt moat]

but anyway, thanks for the tip!
I'm off to bed, so goodnight

goodluck on sark

[balmy condor]

tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

that gate rarely worked for me cause it was either me getting MC'd or our warlock

tragic really

[marble hemlock]

tragic is when you blind or kidney his tyrant

[gusty mirage]

[lethal mortar]

do u just send beacon on pull

[balmy condor]

after rupture yeah

[wooden radish]

I see some doing it after the first garrote

or even precasting it as a pull?

[lethal mortar]

^ i thought it was those two

either you precast it or right after garrote

[woeful meteor]

Dont mention the prepull tech to whispyr

[keen spruce]

you can precast it, but you generally gain nothing by doing it

and it's worse on several fights

with specific timings that use vanish before the 2m deathmark

[wooden radish]

makes sense

[keen spruce]

unless you're just doing heroic reclears that run close to 2:30 kills

then you might gain a cast by pre-casting it

i had a couple of weeks where bosses died during my 2nd beacon cast

cuz our raid dps just happened to land the kill right then

[balmy condor]

Yeah this is fucking terrible

[covert patrol]

enlighten me why

[balmy condor]

Because you’re just wasting a vanish

[covert patrol]

because im holding for 2mins anyways, its sarkareth

[balmy condor]

Why are you holding vanish

[keen spruce]

you don't hold vanish for 2m on sark

[balmy condor]

When you’re already holding sepsis

[covert patrol]

i use it to refresh it on the boss + big add after the 2nd deathmark expires

ye maybe its bad

[balmy condor]

Yeah, I do that too

But with a vanish in p1

Because like

You don’t actually lose it

[woeful meteor]

more importantly why are you playing sin when your guild page advertises you as outlaw player 😄

[covert patrol]

because outlaw is absoluteley terrible on that fight

and our comp was garbanzo anyways so every single boss dps was good

[balmy condor]

It’s sepsis + dm on boss start of p2, vanish second add+boss

And then you get to hold sepsis again

Sepsis+dm start of p3

Vanish on cd

Sepsis to cover dm

and then sepsis at the end

If it makes you feel better though the rank 1 no pi also fucked vanish

[covert patrol]

haha well at least a little bit, but thanks for the info anyways

[wooden radish]

The log i linked was from Magmorax

[covert patrol]

ye there it is so u get another cast in at the end

[wooden radish]

i just picked a random rank 1 no pi log

and saw that beacon was precasted

[covert patrol]

my last beacon is like 3 seconds before kill

[balmy condor]

Yeah magmorax you can get away with it

[wooden radish]

yeah

[balmy condor]

And claim like +45 dps

whatever

Sure

But it’s hard trolling on nelth and sark

[woeful meteor]

Is Mersa trialing for you now, he told me it was a possibility, but havent talk with him since then @covert patrol

[covert patrol]

ye he was raiding with us last week, dunno about any additonal info tho

[woeful meteor]

kk

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor !stats

[lethal mortar]

idk i see a lot of people sending it after the first garrote after looking over logs

[balmy condor]

@blazing jewel !stats

[balmy condor]

And that’s wrong too

[blazing jewel]

tf is this

smh

[keen spruce]

looks like crit haste

[blazing jewel]

its haste mast gems

[keen spruce]

more mastery gamers

[blazing jewel]

no longer 50% crit

feelsbad

[tacit otter]

sim number?

[uncut echo]

[keen spruce]

i have 31% unbfufed

[tacit otter]

with vers phial i assume?

[blazing jewel]

rage

[tacit otter]

ah okey tyy

[keen spruce]

rage 80%

[blazing jewel]

my trinkets suck

I set it to 85

thats what stealthi uses and I trust that guy

[keen spruce]

ig i only dipped down to 80 on rashok

85 probably pretty realistic

[tacit otter]

ye same, thought we had similar sims but trinkets do make the difference ig

[keen spruce]

mastery gang

[blazing jewel]

im getting trinket gapped reeee

[uncut echo]

Hehehe

[keen spruce]

normal bacon is a feelsbad

[tacit otter]

dont be mad im only 3k ahead and im dogshit

[blazing jewel]

m sark cape dropping tonight

and its going to me

[keen spruce]

switching to class trinket made the re-gem/re-enchant on rings worth almost 1k dps lol

[blazing jewel]

I can feel it

[uncut echo]

Cope

Copecopecope

[blazing jewel]

ahri in a spec channel

what is this timeline

[uncut echo]

I'm back

Sin mom is back

(In 10.2)

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

poggers

[uncut echo]

(Or whenever it comes)

[blazing jewel]

I need good sin parses tonight

what music do I listen to

[uncut echo]

Genre

I'll dj for you.

[blazing jewel]

I have playboi carti on right now

not sure if I feel this rn

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WO2ieJMYk

on repeat

worth about 5k dps

[uncut echo]

I got the filthiest dark synth

Like you feel like you just murdered a few innocents

And liked it

[blazing jewel]

beacon 0/2 on crits and I had to run for 20s on kaz

feelsgood

@balmy condor make my beacon crit right now

[balmy condor]

Crit

[uncut isle]

Hey guys! For the boots option, I still got my Slimy Expulsion Boots(remnant from switching from Sub). How significant is the upgrade from those to the thorny ones? Should i 100% go for them asap or could they wait?

[balmy condor]

Not major

Probably worth crafting legit everything else

And then going back to the boots

[keen spruce]

seems like ~400-600 dps if you're already in pretty good gear. normally better options for quite a while

[balmy condor]

A socket is usually worth more than the difference in boots as well so don’t feel pressured to take a half-fragment from vault

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel

I uh

I think I did something wrong

[blazing jewel]

what

[woeful meteor]

he has 5,186% instead of the required 5,187% haste

[gusty mirage]

catalyzing my cloak to the vers mastery cloak

is apparently 300 dps

[woeful meteor]

Im rocking a vers mastery ring since week 3

[sonic spire]

does anyone have the advanced sim for comparing chromatic essence buffs?

[keen spruce]

i don't have the exact way to compare them all. but it's this text

so if someone doesn't have the block of text to do the different combos you could just run it multiple times and change that stuff around

[gusty mirage]

#tc-research message

[sonic spire]

tysm

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

guys how do I do more damage

[keen spruce]

i sent u the song

for more dps

[strange python]

Crit or proc better.

[blazing jewel]

yea you right

[balmy condor]

https://open.spotify.com/track/126HWk9JuCt4PHZJAAsgOv?si=XvXfxoq0SBe2ENVxRrBFjw

[balmy condor]

@keen spruce link sim

ST 5min

I have things to inspect

:3

[keen spruce]

rage or vers?

or does it matter

@balmy condor

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oWPmh9ykZFPS6NrvdGhAq1

80% rage^

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1N3nxk7viYhG5s8pvu8L5

vers ^

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

you're simming augment rune too?

you filthy hooker

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna start using augs

[keen spruce]

i just use default

everyone uses default for augment runes

[cunning nest]

No

Im not even simming with wf

[keen spruce]

but why

[cunning nest]

Aug runes I dont use always and wf I dont have always

Its a bit of a psycholocical thing where I dont want to pressure myself into a dps value in my head that I cannot reach

[balmy condor]

You won’t reach it regardless

[cunning nest]

Well ask my nelth trinket

[keen spruce]

Whispyr what were u cookin?

what i have fucked up thsi time

[balmy condor]

Nothing

I’m just doing opposition research

And you sim unusually high for what your gear is

So it’s always a bit interesting

[drifting cloud]

theyre cheating, no other explanation

[stiff geode]

Unusually high for ilvl 444? Is that a low ilvl now?

[gusty mirage]

augment rune is like 1k dps by itself

he's a filthy hooker

[drifting cloud]

what

augment isnt even close to 1k

[shut owl]

unforgivable

[gusty mirage]

if you say so

[drifting cloud]

think its barely over 500

if even

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/omHY2srwQUa8ofCb1fk9fC
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/scByYQxcXhaaTfq9ZrtoKB

you sure about that?

[balmy condor]

Nah, but he’s missing a lot of big mythic upgrades

444 is like mythic raider with no reclear loot

So very standard

[gusty mirage]

I'd say 800 dps is closer to 1k than 500

[balmy condor]

But he’s at like 129 almost

[gusty mirage]

but ya know

[balmy condor]

Which is pretty close

Lots of people at 127ish

[shut owl]

my ass is over here at 424 because what is mythic even

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s not really an excuse tbh

[stiff geode]

I must be too casual to be a frequent flyer here. 😅

[balmy condor]

You can craft your 7th piece this week

[drifting cloud]

ok sorry less than 800, which is almost 750 which is a draw between 500 and 1k 🤓

[balmy condor]

M+ gear upgrades to 441

Anything under 440 atm is honestly pretty casual

[gusty mirage]

778 ackshually

[balmy condor]

The gear system is just crazy for getting to 440

[shut owl]

I'm an idiot and dyslexiad super late

442*

[balmy condor]

It’s basically free

[gusty mirage]

but still wild tbh

[shut owl]

I'm sitting here wondering why I'm on blast. I put myself in the flames