assassination

[balmy condor]

it's a headache for guide writers to explain, casuals to execute, devs to balance

[blazing jewel]

yea the 10 ability sequence opener for exsang

[balmy condor]

just a shit talent

for everyone involved

[blazing jewel]

vs 4 for no exsang

[stiff geode]

fragment still listed as A+ 👀

[tiny leaf]

Without having read anything PVP related, is Exsange used in PVP at all?

[balmy condor]

idk there's probably some cringe shit where someone will tell you it's more burst

and then pepega themselves into a spiral

[blazing jewel]

I dont think any of us play pvp lol

[balmy condor]

but the setup time for it alone probably kills it

[blazing jewel]

there is a thread for pvp

[tiny leaf]

Yeah I assumed there might be some cope to make exsange worth if you can get free ramp/set up

Also fair @blazing jewel I dont wanna deep dive, just curious if the talent is dead in everything

[balmy condor]

if you run internal bleeding and exsang the internal bleeding would be twice as fast

[blazing jewel]

where is maplestory purple man

[balmy condor]

but yeah quick look at the pvp faq

is uh

everything master assassin into iron wire

instead of exsang into iron wire

which kinda makes sense

cause master assassin is free burst

and exsang is probably comparable burst for more effort

[soft shale]

yea watch out tho you only have 1 vanish

gotta make it count

[balmy condor]

you want to watch me coin cap 14 characters today?

[blazing jewel]

im watching one of my officers wipe to lavadog in his other guild

top tier entertainment

[soft shale]

man i swear i sent the mail to recover my ms acount

[balmy condor]

probably more entertaining than me doing the same 10 dailies 14 times

[tiny leaf]

Thanks for the advice gang, going to keep reading the FAQ ❤️

[blazing jewel]

their rogue is playing the fight timing really well

its making me pog out

[soft shale]

dont worry some people have watched me for this super stream

[balmy condor]

damn

who asked?

[soft shale]

maybe their rogue does not have to soak ranged soaks like oxi

[deft flicker]

I did

[blazing jewel]

idk if hes doing mechanics tbh

but hes doing the good boy stuff for the timings

like holding 3rd dm slightly for vanish because there will be no dm4

[stiff geode]

idk what I'm doing but I guess this worked

[balmy condor]

what the fuck is that

jesus christ

[stiff geode]

🤣 I got bored and curious about the racial traits

[balmy condor]

did you compile that by hand?

[stiff geode]

figured I'd put the data somewhere and figured I'd share

well I used the website that's watermarked in lower right

[balmy condor]

why

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk

[stiff geode]

Oh snap, guess I didn't look hard enough

I did try to find something

and I suppose mine only included alliance 😄

dataisbeautiful moment

[strange bronze]

is it better to just keep crimson tempest up as the dot and envenom in very large packs due to the fact that poison bomb procs are not ruduced beyond 8 targets?

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of "very large"

and if you have your tier bonus up

[strange bronze]

im 2 set.

[balmy condor]

and if you can actually hit all the mobs with poison bomb

[strange bronze]

very large being 8-15

[balmy condor]

if you don't have 4 set and you can hit all the mobs, then yes, spamming envenom is better than CT, after about 27 mobs

that's not large enough

[strange bronze]

so better just to fan of knives/CT?

[balmy condor]

better to just maintain both

they're really similar

[strange bronze]

like shuriken/BP

[balmy condor]

so it doesn't make much of a difference which you pick

[strange bronze]

what poison bomb and CT?

[balmy condor]

yea

[strange bronze]

interesting

[balmy condor]

only thing that drives poison bomb higher would be 4 piece

otherwise it's just kind of a wash

[strange bronze]

because of nature dmg after deathmark

[balmy condor]

envenom/pb can give more prio, ct has a larger range

[strange bronze]

in which ill need to track at that point

[balmy condor]

it's pretty min-max tbh

[strange bronze]

is there a trackable buff after DM ends?

[balmy condor]

and you would still need to make sure that pb hits everything

yes

I don't personally bother tracking it

but most of the standard wa packs will track it

cause they track literally fucking everything

no matter how useless

like elaborate planning

[strange bronze]

eh I just make premade icon trackers for stuff i need lol

like a simple interface

[balmy condor]

that works

[strange bronze]

so in short- 4 set deathmark prio is pb. otherwise CT in packs bigger than 3ish?

[balmy condor]

in short, 4 set pb is prio, otherwise nothing you do matters

[strange bronze]

and DM should always go on main target right?

same with shiv

[balmy condor]

yeh

[strange bronze]

appreciate the input always.

[balmy condor]

np

[strange bronze]

i main sub so... lolol

[balmy condor]

much easier aoe

[strange bronze]

and also know outlaw, but wanted to learn all 3 somewhat well to be versatile in rogue

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[cobalt hemlock]

anyone know why on droptimizer 447 lifebound cap sims 0,5% better than my 447 lifebound cap. just thinking its funny

[soft shale]

look at stats chosen

or maybe that one has a socket

[spice surge]

You probably added a socket or changed the stats ye

[cobalt hemlock]

oh i see im a big dumbo

[sharp viper]

might need to recraft and/or add a socket then 😉

[cerulean nest]

what's the play on sub vs sin on neltharion

[analog mica]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1124779762607468564/6an3o7.gif

[queen pulsar]

Hi guys do you know if echo's trinket is good or too random procs ?

can see that he has uptime between 16 ~ 20% during keys

[royal lantern]

more or less equall with beacon

you just trade "does beacon crit?" rng with "does nelth trinket proc during dmg windows?" rng

[queen pulsar]

but is this better than dice ?

[royal lantern]

ofc

can also just sim that

[dry herald]

are there any gotcha's when simming sin? I'm considering going from sub to sin for raids, trying out various combinations of enchants/gems/crafted gear stats etc.
at the same ilvl as I'm on sub I get about 3-3.5k dps less on patchwerk and wondering if that's sim weirdness or actual results

[spice spire]

The only weird sim thing is irideous fragment for us.

[stiff geode]

I've been told matrix (firelands trink) is poop but it is consistently on top of suffering and dice for me setup at least. I just hope it is simming correctly 😓

Also, is the ptr=1 option in expert mode in a good place for seeing ring changes? Idk how to check these things.

[vestal wren]

ptr=1 does make your sim sim with the 10.1.5 changes e.g. the annulet nerf

[royal lantern]

guys

why does PB never proc

but when p2 on echo happens, you proc PB like a machine gun during the firendly fire phases

[keen spruce]

okay 2 pulls and zskarn dead

[sweet dawn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[glad vapor]

Don't know if you guys checked the ptr loot but this https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=207566/accelerating-sandglass looks tasty

[keen spruce]

i'm lookin at all of the magmo guides and it seems like rogue just kinda payphones this whole fight

[winged quail]

Magmorax “mechanics”

Target dummy boss

[keen spruce]

same dps check as rashok

it looks like

[royal lantern]

tighter dps check tbh

cus rashok is more of an hps/deffensive check imo

magrmorax is pure vanilla wow patchwerk

[modern forum]

yo guys, i got a stupid question about vanish usage in raid. In one of the pins it says that depending on kill timer u might be better off using vanish after your sepsis garrote fades in the opener, but i don't think i understand when you should or when you shouldn't do that.

[keen spruce]

i'm lookin at the slowest kills and it looks about the same as rashy

1.7m ish

[royal lantern]

idk

its a joke fight

[keen spruce]

but probably easier to get that since you're just smackin the boss the whole time

[royal lantern]

ye

rashok has shit going on

magma is litearlly "hit boss, walk left or right a couple times, hope you are not 1 of the guys that needs to suicide at the end"

[minor gate]

ik its probably too early to ask but

how much do we need the new evoker crit buff

[keen spruce]

i have had it explained to me and it made sense but i remember 0 of it

something about like 5:30 fight times or something

and maximizing imp garrote time

if your'e not gonna get a deathmark at the end of the fight

idk i'm not a geologist

[blazing jewel]

It’s mostly for mythic sark or nelth

Or for very quick boss kill times where you don’t get a second dm

[modern forum]

ye okay, im just trying to understand the logic behind it so i can apply it to future tiers

[blazing jewel]

You normally hold vanish for 2:05ish into the fight

Because 1:30 sepsis improved garrotes carry over into deathmark

So you use it to refresh the garrotes in pandemic on deathmark 2

But for sark the boss goes into the intermission at 1:40

So you don’t press sepsis

So you would go into combat again with sepsis and dm off cd essentially negating the use that vanish is held for

Causing you to send vanish earlier to have higher improved garrote uptime

[keen spruce]

yeah what he said

[blazing jewel]

Hopefully that made sense

That was a turbo ramble

[ivory kernel]

you make sense our class is just ridiculous sometimes lol

[blazing jewel]

Normally your sepsis garrote runs out half way through second dm and that’s when you’d refresh

[modern forum]

ye i understand the reason on sark specifically after some logs reviewing, i guess you just have to test it out on future bosses to see if it works or not right?

[blazing jewel]

If fight timers don’t allow for you to send sepsis at 1:30 that’s when you send vanish earlier

It’s not really kill timers it’s more so bosses not allowing you do to damage at specific times

Nelth has a stop damage hold in p1

Sark goes into intermission at a scuffed time

[modern forum]

ye okay that makes sense! Thank you so much for your time and have a good night! ^^

[blazing jewel]

Hopefully that didn’t confuse you more lol

[modern forum]

no no it made sense!

[blazing jewel]

[modern forum]

im new to rogue overall so im doing research into all specs atm and this particular thing confused me a bit but the way you explained it made sense to me atleast ^^

[jaunty dew]

Did anyone encounter slimey boots overperforming on rashok mythic?

Got a sub rogue in my guild who's boots are doing like 4 times the damage of my thorn ones

[ivory kernel]

you got a toxic patch right?

[jaunty dew]

Ye

It's not very consistent though

Meanwhile my launched thorns are between 250 - 350k

[keen spruce]

i think slimes are better for sub and outlaw

because reasons

[ivory kernel]

^

idk the real explanation, but slimy just sims better in sub, and toxic does in assa

[blazing jewel]

Sub and outlaw will have more crit and vers than sin which will make the boots hit harder

The loss of haste that slimy gives effects sin more than the other two

And both pairs are proc rng so it can fluctuate per pull

[jaunty dew]

Makes sense

Guess he just got a bunch of consecutive procs on first pull

[ivory kernel]

yeah hes just better

[jaunty dew]

xD

I assumed it'll have some inner cd though

But blizz loves their mystery with stuff

[blazing jewel]

Both are simming correctly now it’s just a rng thing

[stark kraken]

'

[modern forum]

@blazing jewel could i ask u another stupid question?

[blazing jewel]

What’s up fam

[modern forum]

this comes down more to rogue overall i think but how come on Fan of knives and mutilate they sometimes give more combo points than it says on the tooltip? Is there any logic behind that or just random?

[blazing jewel]

Seal fate

On the class tree that all the specs take

[modern forum]

oh i see, thank you very much again!

[keen spruce]

we live and die by seal fate

[gusty mirage]

shmeeps

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

how goes raid

are you winnin son

[keen spruce]

we killed zskarn

in 2 pulls

[gusty mirage]

HUGE

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

then took a 5 min break to watch the magmo vid

no one w atch

[gusty mirage]

I saw the boss after the fix

zskarn significantly less shit now

wild

[blazing jewel]

My raid kept referring to the safety dick on zskarn

No idea what they meant

[blazing jewel]

Are you guys reclearing next week

[tacit otter]

same + i got the bomb which dropped, gz to kill:)

[keen spruce]

yeah it's easy af now

we have serious mushy brain on mago though

literally took 5 minutes to assign groups and watch the vid

first 6 pulls were just hard inted

puddles stacking, no one soaking, empowering boss, not soaking small circles

complete clown fiesta

[gusty mirage]

no

we're off until the 11th

I'm just vibing doing alt shit

my pally is 2444 io now

GAMING

[blazing jewel]

We are going to attempt a 1 day clear on the 5th im giving that a 5% success rate

[gusty mirage]

I mean its worth

[blazing jewel]

Can’t believe you’re a pala main now

[gusty mirage]

you can easily do first 7-8

[blazing jewel]

Corrupted

[gusty mirage]

high roll giga in vault

get fat loot

but grats on the kill

the finishline is near

kill lava dog and nelth in the next week or so

then sark prison then freedom

[blazing jewel]

We love sark

All my homies love sark

[woeful meteor]

not all the homies

19,5 Homies is enough fo0r sark based on our rl

[blazing jewel]

[woeful meteor]

played with someone on a 430 ivl char for reasons

[blazing jewel]

On sark

[woeful meteor]

He did not have most p1 deaths

[blazing jewel]

430ilvl isn’t even a .5 that’s just a liability lol

[woeful meteor]

yep idk cba arguing with my gm since he's just gonna bring up some bs arguments

[sudden isle]

any of you guys mind sharing your secondary stat numbers?

[woeful meteor]

without flask/runes

[tacit otter]

the bug where bomb stacks reset in m+, this that got fixed?

[woeful meteor]

think so pretty early in the season aswell

[tacit otter]

ty

[sudden isle]

that's in your single target gear yeah?

[woeful meteor]

ye

[sudden isle]

tyty

[woeful meteor]

would probably look better if I recrft gear, but the loss on sub is bigger than the gain for sin

[sudden isle]

for some reason i can't get assassination to sim higher than sub anymore so trying to compare stats to what sims are giving me

[woeful meteor]

idk sin was higher for me until the db bug discoveries

[sudden isle]

didn't even see about that

db as in dark brew?

[woeful meteor]

ye

[blazing jewel]

Terpley you can also look at top logs in the summary section of the log

And see what stats they were all running

I think db will almost always sim higher than sin

[sudden isle]

i'm hella blind

thank you for pointing that out. i've always thought it was crazy that they didn't show it but i've just been overlooking it this whole time.

[blazing jewel]

Always go by your sim but it’s good for comparing info

[woeful meteor]

could stream on tuesday and you can watch me suffer 😄

[blazing jewel]

Are you eu

[woeful meteor]

ofc

[blazing jewel]

No raids on freedom day lol

Could probably tune in idk what im doing Tuesday yet

[woeful meteor]

It's only swapping from yt unlisted to twitch so not rly an effort for me and someone surely want's to see me suffer

maybe I just play outlaw to confuse my rl

[blazing jewel]

He won’t be able to tell because nobody scrolls down to 14th place

[woeful meteor]

I'm doing P1 dmg

[spice spire]

Why would u punish urself

[woeful meteor]

and we dont get much further

just to feel something again

[blazing jewel]

Some of us are into that

[spice spire]

Seek help

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat i have questions

1. what are you feinting on magmo. is it just getting ripped on every mechanic on cd?
2. are you holding DM for 5m with pot?
3. why tf can't people drop puddles in melee range of the boss kill me

[balmy condor]

We raid ;)

[woeful meteor]

Huge

watch my raid so you know what not to do

[balmy condor]

I don't need to watch your raid to know what not to do

I can watch my own

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce FIRST OF ALL

wish me happy birthday

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

36 now

[balmy condor]

me looking at my clock

is his birthday the 2nd and it's already over for him, or is he really early and it's 12:30 on the 3rd and he's celebrating

fuck timezones

[gaunt moat]

it's the 3rd here already 🙂

[balmy condor]

then you don't get a happy birthday for another 8 hours and 32 minutes mr

it's the second here

[gaunt moat]

but I was born on this timezone 🤔

[balmy condor]

yeah but your birthdays the 3rd

it's not the third

[gaunt moat]

can't argue with facts

[keen spruce]

happy birthday

[idle inlet]

Wasn't it the 2nd here when he was born so his america birthday is the 2nd

[gaunt moat]

yeah that's the joke :x

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

Grats on killing Zskarn i assume 🙂

1. I feint two things:

• The circle that everyone stand together (but starting at phase 2)
• The knockback, since it's also followed by a lot of raid-wide damage

2. Yes, you hold DM, you won't get a 4th DM on the fight either way.
3. If you drop puddle on boss, he gains energy and enrages sooner.

[keen spruce]

ty yeah we killed it in 2 pulls today lol

[gaunt moat]

sheesh

[keen spruce]

but you can drop the puddle in max melee range without it empowering the boss

even for short armed classes

[gaunt moat]

it must have been a real joke after nerfs

[keen spruce]

but this fkin windwalked

walker

keeps standing like 15 yards away

that was a complaint not a question

[gaunt moat]

I dunno, the way we did it, i would lose uptime on boss when i go soak, it is what it is

[keen spruce]

we did have like 25 wipes yesterday but were also missing like 4 people

but it is very easy now

[gaunt moat]

We started echo of neltharion today
half the raid time was just messing with WAs

[keen spruce]

yeah i sent over the WA shit to our RL cuz he hadn't prepped for nelth yet

and i don't wanna waste one of our raid days on WAs if we can help it

probably unavoidable though

[gaunt moat]

protip: if anyone is using DMB instead of bigwigs.. their list WA is not gonna work

[gusty mirage]

pro tip if you're using DBM in 2023 you should re-evaluate your addon usage

[drifting cloud]

[keen spruce]

rare oxi and shmeeps agreement

[storm forum]

Please don't make me swap to bigwigs, using dbm is my only remaining personality trait

[royal lantern]

im just lazy and want the "plug and play" addon ok

[gusty mirage]

big wigs is also plug and play

and more accurate

and the neltharian WA works with it

without you needing to edit anything

[royal lantern]

had 0problems with the echo WA tbh....?

[gusty mirage]

ok?

[keen spruce]

they did just update the WA a day or two ago and the notes say it was DBM fixes

https://tenor.com/view/allegedly-supposedly-rumor-letterkenny-gif-13754683

[gusty mirage]

thank god

only a month late for my prog on it

[thin scroll]

Can I customize the warning msg on bigwigs now? Remember trying it once but couldn't change the warning

[strange bronze]

what poisons should i be running in M+ with Dragon tem

[torn atlas]

Numb/crippling + deadly/amp generally.

Not sure of any you'd take outside those. Atrophic usually isn't taken because numbing tends to be a bigger damage reduction for your tank.
Wound doesn't have many uses as far as I know for m+

[fossil eagle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[naive valve]

is sepsis valid with dtb in m+

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of valid

[naive valve]

coming back to rogue and im seeing a lot with either dtb+sep

[balmy condor]

you would have to drop some stuff to get it

[naive valve]

or dtb+ic

[balmy condor]

okay slow down

[naive valve]

:o

[balmy condor]

sepsis isn't a capstone

dtb+sepsis is single capstone

that's a raid build for single target mostly

you ALWAYS play IC in m+

[naive valve]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

now you COULD play sepsis in m+

but it would still be with dtb ic

you would drop stuff to take sepsis

and it just idk

kinda sucks

[naive valve]

nah i was just getting baited by raid builds in raider.io i think

[balmy condor]

yeh that's the classic, good luck finding assassination rogues in m+

[naive valve]

;_;

[storm belfry]

@spice spire am madge

[spice spire]

Why are you mad friend?

[storm belfry]

i have played w dieslow and now im playing w oxi

but i havent played w u

[spice spire]

I’m sorry dog

Been doing a bit

Leaving my guild etc

Plus oxipal simply built diffly

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

Yeah

[tall atlas]

This belongs here

Because I was playing assa at the time

[blazing jewel]

dudes lost in the sauce

[spice spire]

He’s just like me

[gusty mirage]

rate oxipal tanking ability out of 10

[storm belfry]

10/10

[gusty mirage]

:3

[storm belfry]

:3

[oak sky]

No way

End of an era

Makeitquake-Mal'ganis <House Arthas>

[gusty mirage]

house arthas been dead tho

[oak sky]

Oh right its dispel bob now right

Im.in the discord somewhere

[spice spire]

You are

And yeah

End of the second age of HA/DB

[spice spire]

Bro quakethree is like a 2/10 at best

My ass is not good at sanguine on fh

[oak sky]

So are you quitting or what

[spice spire]

Nah trialing new guild next week

[oak sky]

Mythic raiding or better schedule?

[spice spire]

Same server as the other two Assassination goons too

Mythic

[oak sky]

Ooh

Big

[spice spire]

Rashok is where I’m starting

[oak sky]

Its about time quake

[gaunt moat]

where we you before?

[blazing jewel]

what server

[ebon notch]

coaching time??

[spice spire]

area 52 is the guild locating

[spice spire]

Maybe, gonna watch a lot of rogue pov

[spice spire]

Mal’ganis

(NA btw)

[ebon notch]

just dodge the fire

and you kill the boss

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

except for that one mechanic

where you gotta put the boss in the fire

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

I meant at which boss were you before 😅

[spice spire]

Oh guild got like 6 pulls in on Zaqali

There were a lot of. Conflicting views that held the team back amongst officers

(That’s a personal feeling)

[lethal mortar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[misty holly]

It's shrouded, you would have to path through Sepsis instead on the way down to IC. Considering Garrote is our top damage ability in M+ that seems like a bad idea.

Though sepsis likely is better for single target. Maybe on tyrannical weeks could consider it?

[balmy condor]

Problem is that on even on tyrannical weeks the bosses don’t really last long enough tbh

The only use I really see out of it is needing a restealth

But even then

Questionable

[strange bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930614166006407220/1125264401293922344/image.png

@balmy condor thank you

:))

[balmy condor]

[strange bronze]

I got it figured out lol

sometimes ST sucks if I get energy starved but usually can hold 80-100k ST at 441 in sub gear LOL

swapped to play with 4 set on main

and also track the poisoned edges buff for when stuff is super stacked... Poison bomb op

I hit 445k on first pull in FH lmaoo

[balmy condor]

Haste sucks in m+ anyway

So your sub gear is probably close to perfect for m+ to begin with

[strange bronze]

i have negative haste LMAO

i wonder if I can pull of raid on my main and do decent.

off*

[gusty mirage]

you can

secondaries are whatever

[misty holly]

That's pretty crazy my single target usually sucks in M+ build

[gusty mirage]

tons of people stress out for like 1% dps dif in secondaries

for literally no reason

you might feel a dif between 0% and 20% haste

like a slight dif

but it's mostly placebo

[strange bronze]

Yea I’m like 45% crit 78 mast on my sub or something when I have st gear on

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're straight vibing in m+ then

[strange bronze]

Maybe it is 50 crit I’m away from pc

88% mast with AoE gear

Just happy to finally have a general understanding of all specs

[gusty mirage]

very good skill set to have

[blazing jewel]

no u

we only play sub

[strange bronze]

Mained outlaw and got AOTC season one, switched to sub and mastered it

Sub is main spec

Assassin I learned for funsies

Even made another rogue and leveled just to learn it

@balmy condor called me psychotic

[main vessel]

[strange bronze]

But since my main has 4 set I’m running homies through keys in Assas 🤣🤣🤣

I think I prefer it over outlaw

But I love all 3

[gusty mirage]

sorry your opinion is irrelevant I'm listening to cliff burton grind out the bass guitar

in a song older than all of us

[loud galleon]

you guys were right about them wanting to just get rid of me.

so I quit playing wow and I got rid of my shit.

thanks for the community.

[spice spire]

[loud galleon]

guild didnt want me in the guild.

so they essentially used me to carry them to heroic.

but then as soon as they started pushing Mythic.

even tho im full bis.

benched me, until I was finally given the message "we dont want a rogue, they aren;t good for raid right now."

so I got rid of all my gold, I got rid of all my shit.

and I quit.

have a good one.

[misty holly]

You could find another guild. I recently have started making other plans too. group loot (ie master loot) has ruined my ability to cross realm raid like I did all shadowlands.

[loud galleon]

nope

i quit.

i found the most pleasure. mythic raiding in legion, and I think im simply yearning for my glory days.

[misty holly]

I bet moonguard has a bunch of furry guilds that would love a panda rogue.

Or now with cross faction you could even go Vulpera. Who could resist.

[loud galleon]

i already gave up

and i already sold all my shit and got rid of all my gold.

everyone on Moon Guard is already full roster.

its pointless.

[misty holly]

On reddit everyone is saying their guild stopped playing because dragonflight sucks.

Surely guilds are recruting.

[loud galleon]

nope

[strange bronze]

any chance you are on stormrage @loud galleon ?

ah seen MG

[loud galleon]

no and i dont have the money to server switch.

[strange bronze]

mb

[keen spruce]

Hoodie are you on stormrage?

[strange bronze]

yea

whats up?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/tanner-wiseman-destination-fear-squad-cowboy-this-town-gif-17154243

[strange bronze]

LMAO

[loud galleon]

they literally removed me from roster as I celebrated my 21st birthday, so.. like. I got punished for having fun and celebrating.

[spice spire]

My honest advice here:
You’re hurt, it sucks. But rarely are good decisions made on emotion. I’d give it a day or two before you make a full blown decision rather than full on rage quitting.
Also cross realm mythic is a very doable thing right now

[next arch]

Idk why you'd sell everything. That means your options are 0

[gilded oasis]

have you tried FF14

[loud galleon]

i dont like it

[loud galleon]

im not hurt at all.

[misty holly]

For real, though, sleep on that Vulpera idea. Their ears are really fluffy and have some great bounce animations.

[loud galleon]

I can't play, I have no gold and no gear.

i sold everything and quit.

[keen spruce]

did they bench armada too?

i see they're playin with another guild now

[next arch]

Vulpera are bis

[keen spruce]

@loud galleon

[loud galleon]

Armada straight up left for the traitor guild, because our guild wasn't going to loot pander for her.

[misty holly]

I heard Vulpera were actually being played at AWC this weekend.

For the reduce damage passive

[keen spruce]

oh lol

well they have two surv hunters and an ele sham

on the current roster

buncha weridos

[next arch]

Lmao. Reduced fire damage? Or heal on first hit? They're both garb in PvP right?

[loud galleon]

That one survival hunter is our GM.

she isn't benched.

[keen spruce]

i mean no shade to surv, they kinda crank rn

but like

[misty holly]

So apparently Demo lock summons count as a new opponent

[keen spruce]

double hunter ele but rogue benched because "bad"

is kinda cursed

[loud galleon]

ikr

[misty holly]

A lot of demo spells summon a minion that attacks. Vulpera wrecks their dps

[loud galleon]

its the biggest fucking joke ive heard all day.

[keen spruce]

sounds like a cop out cuz someone higher up didn't like you for some reason idk

i don't understand moonguard politics

i'm not a geologist

[next arch]

Oh yeah they do. Neat.

[keen spruce]

most GMs at mid-mythic still think rogues are OP from what i've seen

[loud galleon]

Moon Guard politics are just like Canadian Politics, except, everyone is Justin Trudeau. Justin, has a degree in theatre so every speech he gives is fucking stupid.

[next arch]

Moon guard and WMA players are... mostly questionable

[loud galleon]

id transfer to stormrage in a heartbeat if i had the money and gold.

and a guild waiting for me.

[misty holly]

Oh crap whispyr just got back from afk, everyone shh

[loud galleon]

hes afk again

[misty holly]

ok back to vulpera chat

[loud galleon]

im not switching to vulpera cause i aint got the money lol.

[next arch]

Level a new rogue :)

[loud galleon]

ew

ill just not play. its easier

[next arch]

Ok

[loud galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/lieutenant-dan-forrest-gump-gif-10461310

[balmy condor]

I’m just making sure the convo doesn’t go off the rails too much

When the “im quitting fuck my guild” gets too heavy it’s pretty standard that we start muting people

So gotta keep an eye on it

[shut owl]

whispyr! it happened; I'm climbin :>

[balmy condor]

Nice

[shut owl]

now the big question... do I dare try to reach class top 100 as sin vs the 55k FotM sub players

only 6900 folks to bump 😛

[keen spruce]

I gave up on pushing sub after realizing kenny is on stormrage

i miss being on a dead server

[blazing jewel]

push raid ranks not io

[keen spruce]

[shut owl]

yeahhh... when I was hyjal S1 I was simultaneously the worst sin rogue in raid parse but top 3 of m+ io

[keen spruce]

i only got a 77 on our zskarn kill

[shut owl]

I've come a long way and moved to a much bigger pond

proud of myself lol

[blazing jewel]

I want at least r3 sin after next week reclear

[keen spruce]

i'm not even in the top 20 rogues on stormrage anymore

washed up raidlogger

[blazing jewel]

thats the move though

keys are stinky

[shut owl]

true

[keen spruce]

but i wanna rub my fat e-peen all over the civillians

i need validation of strangers

[shut owl]

especially when tierlists exist and declare F tier as unplayable above a 2

pugged 0 keys this week cuz it seemed like every group already had a sub rogue and I just kept rolling uldaman keys t-t

[blazing jewel]

I want a wa that plays an everytime blindside procs

[balmy condor]

Do you really

[blazing jewel]

yes

[drifting cloud]

ask deeny

[blazing jewel]

I used to have one that played the naruto jutsu completion sound effect everytime I used step

[drifting cloud]

hes got a similiar setup

[blazing jewel]

incredible brain chemical stimulation

[thin scroll]

Now I need a WA that plays a "NANI?!" voiceline every time I shadowstep

[balmy condor]

put this into World of Warcraft\_retail_\Interface\AddOns\WeakAuras\Media\Sounds

make a weakaura with a trigger on player buff blindside, go to actions, add the sound

[blazing jewel]

[deft flicker]

Blindsayayaide

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

no

https://tenor.com/view/weebs-out-weebs-out-get-out-of-here-anime-gif-16815896

[blazing jewel]

@royal lantern

how do you feel about this image

[royal lantern]

positive

[blazing jewel]

what about this one

[royal lantern]

i reached the stage of acceptance for exsang months ago allready

will i be somewhat pissed/annoyed if it "comes back"? sure

but man

no energy to be angry about it left

[gaunt moat]

It's likely to be removed

Question is what will be exsang 2.0

[deft flicker]

IC

[gaunt moat]

IC already exist

[deft flicker]

Yes, and after exsang is gone people will probably start ranting more about it

Or maybe I misunderstand the question

[gaunt moat]

The question is, if you remove a talent, which talent do you add to the tree instead.

Maybe.. Omega-Exsang: All bleeds instantly tick out their full duration + they do 200% damage.

[grim jay]

Slaughter poison

More poisons

[gaunt moat]

TDB -triple tempered blade

We'll reach a point our weapon are so poisonous that we even damage ourselves.

[strange bronze]

is there a spreadsheet for assas?

specifically or is it fuus?

[marsh ferry]

There’s a comedy skit about exactly that

https://youtu.be/YQTn1QxCZ2s

[grim jay]

Honestly KB in place of exsang and limit KB + DTB interaction, but lets stop before the cooking escalates

[grim jay]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft flicker]

Move CT to where Exsang is
Move poison bomb to where CT is
Move Kingsbane to where poison bomb is

[gaunt moat]

Sir, do you understand the concept of removal

[deft flicker]

Yes

[gaunt moat]

something will have to replace what has been removed.
i'm not talking about shuffeling things around

i don't think KB is just a gonna be instead of exsang

[deft flicker]

Is Kingsbane ever picked rn??

[gaunt moat]

no because it's competing with DTB
i understand you're saying they'll seperate them again. maybe.
but i don't think that's gonna be an exsang replacement.

[deft flicker]

They fulfill the same role of “press for big single-target damage”

[gaunt moat]

I think they'll have to add some new talents

We have too many 3 points talents, that can stay the way it is. we have one of the worst trees because of those.

[deft flicker]

Or maybe doing it the other way round is the play, move DTB to row 8 and leave KB as a capstone

[deft flicker]

I think sin’s the only one with 3-pointers left in the tree

Which feels weird, almost as if the devs couldn’t make the tree big enough so they had to space stuff apart that way

[royal lantern]

KB would need ~40% dmg buff to be EQUAL with DtB

and even then it would not be a pick, cus DtB works for everything and kingsbane is a 1min ST cd

[vapid sierra]

So is it worth holding a rupture in pandemic to try and land on a anima charged cp

Like even all the way up until like 2/3 seconds of expiry before giving up@and just finishing at 5/6 cp

[misty holly]

I'm not even sure an anima charged Rupture is more valuable than an anima charged Envenom.

Just refresh and hope you land on the anima charge before it runs out with whatever finisher.

[balmy condor]

thinking about animacharges is not worht

and this looks like thinking

so

not worth

if you're doing anything more involved with echoing reprimand than:

1. oh it's not on cooldown, I should put it on cooldown
2. oh I am currently on an animacharge cp, I should use a finisher in accordance to the regular finisher rules

then you're thinking too much

it's that easy

slam it as it comes up

and if you're on blue, use a finisher

nothing more than that

[vapid sierra]

Kk ty whisp and prism

[celest marlin]

should i use Crimson Tempest before/after Exanguanate on single target in m+ ?

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-desert-awkward-silence-heat-wave-crickets-gif-24664698

[blazing jewel]

mistake #1 is still using

[vapid sierra]

Exsang bugged

Don’t play

[celest marlin]

aha, and can you point me to a m+ build that i should play? 😄

[vapid sierra]

Just drop exsang

And take master assassin

[celest marlin]

aha, cheers

[vapid sierra]

Wait

There’s one in faq

Just import that one idk what build your playing rn

Mythic+: Dragon-Tempered Blades
Import: BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAISikERSUSAAAAAAAkAQSCAAAAAAANk4AlkQSSSapkIQSERCA

[vapid sierra]

And it’s not master assassin its IP

[celest marlin]

another question ond double triple Garrote/Rupture, how does that look on ST in m+ opener?
Garrote-Slice-Garrote-Garrote-Rupture-Vanish-Garrote3x?Deathmark?

[vapid sierra]

No

Don’t triple garrote

[jolly fractal]

Definetily not 4x garrote, only first 2 rhen mutilate -> rupture, and I think you should keep vanish for second deathmark if kill timer allows it

[vapid sierra]

It should go something like gar>snd>Gar>build to 5>rupture

When you break stlearh you get an improved garrote

And any garrote you reapply after the stealth breaks for 3 seconds is improved

Asassination gcd is 1 second

So you break stealth and garrote, that’s 1/3. You snd that’s 2/3. You gar again that’s 3/3

[glad vapor]

what makes this talent stupid - just another dumb multiplier :/

[vapid sierra]

No

You vanish after improved garrote ends in dm

Since there’s no sepsis

It’s m+ build on a boss

[balmy condor]

??????????

you have to take ma for iron wire brother

[vapid sierra]

You drop exsang for ip right?

[gaunt moat]

Just because it's not complex to use doesn't make it stupid.
It's a fun talent to use, like a mini-game inside with your CPs
and it helps a lot with energy starvation, since you can finisher on 2-4 CPs

[vapid sierra]

We were talking about what we drop exsang for in m+

[balmy condor]

yes

[vapid sierra]

I said ma by accident and then corrected by saying ip

[balmy condor]

you drop it for master assassin

because there is no other way to get iron wire

[vapid sierra]

Wait I was right and then wrong

[vapid sierra]

Then what were we dropping for ip

Oh no

Ip is for single target

Ma is for aoe

[balmy condor]

what

[hallow sage]

🤡

[balmy condor]

are you good?

you legit linked the build

there's a picture attached

to the build you linked

[hallow sage]

whispyr boutta pop a blood vessel

[vapid sierra]

Let me go back a second

In single target if you don’t want exsang you take 2/2ip right

[vapid sierra]

Oopsies

This is what no wow for a week does to me

My b

[balmy condor]

I mean it ain't even no wow for a week

it's just basically information retention

and reading

I love that you're so willing to help

but please for the love of god

if you're going to help

have the decency

to understand the bare minimum of what you're talking about

[jolly fractal]

If he would press everything right in the opener he would have around 18 seconds garrtoe when he press DM, so there is no need to overwrite it

[vapid sierra]

Ohh shit yeah cause he drops exsang

Then it’s probably worth holding for another pack

[normal mist]

@balmy condor shouldn't you be sleeping friend? :3

Every time I see you here around this time I get worried. (10am for me in Europe)

[balmy condor]

this is just my sleep schedule idk

I'm up till like 4 every day

[normal mist]

Do you atleast sleep around 7/8 hours?

[vapid sierra]

Understood

[balmy condor]

usually yeah

[vapid sierra]

So that mean whisp wakes up around noon

[normal mist]

Aight, don't mind me then, just worried about my assa friends

[balmy condor]

my alarm is set to 11:30 on a regular day

[vapid sierra]

You alarm?

Why

Work?

[balmy condor]

because if I don't it'll be 3pm

[vapid sierra]

Fair enough

[celest marlin]

why no tricks for m+ build? i am lost

[spice surge]

You can take tricks if you want

But then you lose 1 min sprint

[balmy condor]

tricks in general doesn't really do much in the grand scheme of tank aggro

because of how tanks generate threat and have inherent multipliers, every 1 point of your damage you're redirecting from tricks itself is actually a small fraction of the aggro that 1 point of damage from the tank would be generating

it's just not really that impressive all things considered

and even with it, if someone's gonna burst

it's not going to really stop them from ripping threat most of the time either because of it

tricks would essentially have a use in 2 cases, the first being to pull something for the tank, or snapping things like we did in a lot of the shadowlands and bfa dungeons

that doesn't really exist in this expansions dungeons, nor in the dungeon pool currently, and is fairly niche

the second being if one of your burst dps classes, say like an unholy dk, a warrior, devastation evoker, arcane mage

is doing just barely bursting hard enough to generate more aggro than the tank

but not enough to pull with tricks

the situations for that would mostly be in bigger pulls

and the tanks usually have to group those together anyways, generating aggro in the process

which means that those bursts would be waiting anyway

so you basically need a situation that doesn't exist in the dungeon pool, or a group comp where the tank isn't able to generate enough aggro in about 5 seconds compared to a heavy burst class, which would only happen if the tank is undergeared, or dogshit

and if that's the case, I think you got bigger issues than not having tricks

Also it’s the third now, happy birthday @gaunt moat

[gaunt moat]

Thanks man

[royal lantern]

tricks is saving me on echo, cus i can use beacon asap when the first add wave Spawns without getting aggro

but yeha, thats it

[sharp viper]

or just be a dh tank

[balmy condor]

Is tricks relevant when my raid is 45 windwalker monks in a trench coat doing 9mil dps

[sharp viper]

wasn't there a bug that caused ww to scale off of other ww being in the raid? (not like that ever happens in the wild)

[royal lantern]

yes

thats what whisp means

[sharp viper]

I see

[grim jay]

Some dudes and dudettes on their side saying MAYBE thats why blizz didnt touch WW because they unknowingly "use" that bug in their testing

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, it's defintly intended

[supple snow]

Any news boys?

[runic ice]

Quick question. Starting up a completely new assasination alt who just dingend 70. Besides the boots, the wrist, a weapon and a necklace. Should i be making a 2nd weapon for my offhand? Or hope for a proper one?

[balmy condor]

Typically would be a weapon -> boots -> wrists -> ring

Necks and offhands are fine

But usually wouldn’t get that far without seeing either drop

[runic ice]

Allright, didnt craft the neck yet. But i will have 5 sparks after i wrapped up LFR today so there's that

[balmy condor]

Should use droptimizer after crafting the wrists and go from there

[runic ice]

Thanks a lot!

[balmy condor]

Np

[runic ice]

I'll hold off on the weapon a bit

[vapid sierra]

Happy birthday @gaunt moat

[gaunt moat]

Thank you 🫀

[blazing jewel]

Notter #1 cutest notter

[gaunt moat]

more than this one?

[vapid sierra]

Of course not ❤️

Unless it’s you

[gaunt moat]

it's a notter from the multiverse

[vapid sierra]

Good or evil

[gaunt moat]

look at it. it's an abomination.

it's smiling.

real notter is angy.

[sharp viper]

[vapid sierra]

We gotta jump multiverse notter

[royal lantern]

is there a multiverse where whisp is not a sub main

[celest marlin]

in what universe is logical to buff sub and not assa in next patch? 😦

[subtle tundra]

In the current one

Where sub uses the annulet

[idle inlet]

Also in the same universe that assa got a buff very recently

[celest marlin]

we need moar!

[vestal wren]

nice, time to learn assassination

[idle inlet]

Obviously we need more but so does sub and don't get me started on outlaw that spec needs jesus

[gusty mirage]

please no

let them be bad

had an entire expansion of outlaw being S tier in dungeons and it was the worst

[celest marlin]

outlaw is fun dude wtf

[idle inlet]

I only play dungeons to get my crests or valor or whatever it's gonna be so I don't care about the m+ meta game

[celest marlin]

also its getting buff + some spell changes 😄

[gusty mirage]

I'm aware

they already cried about them

[idle inlet]

It's also getting nerfed cuz of the annulet

[celest marlin]

what annylet? 😄 i am back after 2y break dont linch me plz 😄

[idle inlet]

Ring from last season that is very very strong and many classes still run and provides a considerable amount of their damage

The ring is getting nerfed and it's still really good in outlaw

[celest marlin]

aham ye i heard about that one and was told by friends not to bother crafting now

is it still gonna be good for outlaw tho? maybe i should take it as a preqution if i swithc

[idle inlet]

No the ring will be dead

[celest marlin]

/dead

[idle inlet]

It's good now but they are nerfing it by 40%

[gusty mirage]

good use of dev time

considering they buffed it by like 50% in 10.0.7

cause they got angy no one was gonna use it

[celest marlin]

we give it we take it

god laugh

[gaunt moat]

And then they realized most of the specs underperform without it because new season rings are too weak comparatively :SurprisedPikachu:

[gusty mirage]

absolute boneheaded move tbh

[gaunt moat]

The original call was to nerf ring once 10.1 comes out
but then they backed down from it for some reason

[supple topaz]

Is sin just as good as sub on ST? Thought about giving it a whirl

[peak bobcat]

All 3 specs are very close

[loud galleon]

Sub is a master of none. Sin is a good ST

[peak bobcat]

“Good”

Good joke

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[supple topaz]

Lol I only know sub just curious about the other specs lol

[gusty mirage]

it's not terrible ST

[limber lion]

Sin is good at st

That's factual

[gusty mirage]

it's just not uhdk w/ pi good

or devoker good

[peak bobcat]

Or mage good

[gusty mirage]

or demo lock w/ pi good

[peak bobcat]

Or warlock good

[supple topaz]

That’s fine I don’t like playing casters lol

[gusty mirage]

better than destro and aff

[limber lion]

Yeah but PI assumes 2 specs

But yeah Assa does the most out of the 3 rogue specs

For now

Until 10.1.5

[peak bobcat]

They’re close though

Depends on who’s beacon crits

[supple topaz]

Who will take the lead?

[peak bobcat]

[limber lion]

As is every other spec in the game

[limber lion]

Outlaw

[supple topaz]

Really?!

Hmm 🤔 maybe I should learn outlaw then

[gusty mirage]

by like 1k dps

lol

[supple topaz]

Oh ok

Forget that then

[limber lion]

Yeah doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

the suggestion of play whichever spec you want remains

[sudden isle]

yeah i sawsomething about them being able to hit 140kST

[gusty mirage]

the dif between the 3 is still like 2-3k

[supple topaz]

It sounds like it’s just down to playstyle lol

[limber lion]

Sure is

Like it is for anything else in the game

[vestal wren]

need to go and find more rotten gains

[gusty mirage]

good

don't let outlaw win

[limber lion]

Unless you play at a level where it matters

Which most people don't

[supple topaz]

I definitely do not haha

[gusty mirage]

I think sub w/ the new stuff is like 138ish?

[peak bobcat]

In 10.1.5?

[supple topaz]

I feel like I’m above average but nowhere near where it matters lol

[gusty mirage]

nah that was with the double dip for the dark brew build

iirc

fuu can clarify better

[peak bobcat]

Yeah my sub sim goes crazy

[gusty mirage]

I killed boss by the time it was figured out

so I stopped caring which spec is "better"

lol

esp considering all 3 are trash tier on sark

[sudden isle]

current sub sim or post 10.1.5

[peak bobcat]

Current

Dark brew bug is nuts

[supple topaz]

Bc of the phase transitions?

[sudden isle]

oh so thats what it is

[gusty mirage]

timings are garbage for rogue

the mini game gives us nothing

[peak bobcat]

And sepsis sims being corrected I swapped back to sub

[gusty mirage]

it gives a bit more damage for assassination

but like still sucks

[sudden isle]

facts

[gusty mirage]

I'm still convinced assassination is better for sark than the other 2

because after a while add damage is irrelevant

[peak bobcat]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

and it just does better damage when it matters the most

but even then

still sucks

[sudden isle]

facts

[gusty mirage]

holding CDs is cringe as fuck

[peak bobcat]

Hard parts of sark are p1 and p3 and assas is the best

[gusty mirage]

but like what can ya do

if haste still reduced our GCD rogue would be better

but ya know

[dark token]

P3 sark isn't the hardest

[gusty mirage]

• all the parries you're subjected to

the part where everyone goes down in p3 is the hardest part of the fight

what do you mean it isn't the hardest

[dark token]

Yeah the fact haste is dogshit for rogue in general is rough

[dark token]

I think end of p2 is harder

We had way more wipes there

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

I’m afk in p2

[gusty mirage]

everyone soaking the falling star is one of the tightest timings in an end boss in forever

[peak bobcat]

I don’t even know what happens

[gusty mirage]

but ok

[woeful meteor]

Would rather have haste being bad than being turned into the 30th haste mastery class

[dark token]

Why

[gusty mirage]

they should've just made the mini game a damage amp

[woeful meteor]

why have stats when every class wants the same

[gusty mirage]

vs haste

[woeful meteor]

this

[gusty mirage]

flat % for everyone vs a stat that's useless for like 8 specs

ggs

well thought out boss

[storm belfry]

gm

[dark token]

Blizz loves making haste buffs because they feel way better and more impactful to everyone

Except rogue

You can't really feel a 20% dmg increase but you can feel a 50% haste buff

Except rogue

[gusty mirage]

you tell that to frost dk on anduin

[woeful meteor]

dmg amps on bosses just cringe dont put them on bosses

[gusty mirage]

they seemed to really feel that damage amp in intermission

[dark token]

Take that back sludgefist was sick

[gaunt moat]

It's even worse than Feral right now, and feral is gonna get a 6% ST increase talent in 10.1.5

[woeful meteor]

problem for sludge you have Jailer, Sark and Lords of Dread

[gusty mirage]

sorry I don't recognize that last one

lords of dread was easily the worst fight in all of sepulcher

[woeful meteor]

Lords just terrible in general and the amp didnt add to the experience of the other 2

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which is impressive because xymox existed

NEED WARLOCKS FOR THE FIGHT

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I guess it did for Jailer after turbo nerf since you killed the boss 30 to 0 in lust

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GET ACROSS TO THE ISLANDS WITH BROKEN BRIDGES

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idk anymore did they ever remove the warlock requirement

[gusty mirage]

no

lmao

well I guess yeah

[woeful meteor]

better bring enough classes with a dash

[earnest remnant]

or just play like 70% of jailer with the dmg buff

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everyone could go venthyr

[earnest remnant]

like we did xD

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love those options

[vestal wren]

was any of the SL tiers a banger?

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"bring warlock or everyone go venthyr"

[vestal wren]

all of them felt a bit lacking to me

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yeah the pre-patch

because it was over

[vestal wren]

i do feel that SL had some highlights

but overall, it is such a forgetable xpac

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imagine following up bfa with something worse than bfa

[wary ice]

idk

[peak bobcat]

crazy

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season 1 was great minus the horse shit w/ the conduit table

[peak bobcat]

I liked sanctum even though the later bosses flopped

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prefered all SL Raids to DF, didnt play before so idk how good the raids were before

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bfa raids were bangers

minus crucible of storms

we just pretend that didn't exist

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Azshara

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bfa instanced content was goated

[earnest remnant]

can suck a dick

[wary ice]

the problem with bfa was everything around it