assassination

[thorn fjord]

Human condition for the sweaty gamer means they’ll play what sims best rather than what they like or what is better qol

[versed mica]

Damn 5 minutes later of bitching lmao

[balmy condor]

the more I sim and the more I deal with people looking to improve, the more I realize that you can legit take like a 5-6% simulated loss and just not care tbh

[thorn fjord]

For sure

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of "what am I doing wrong" is like not pressing buttons, dying to shit, simply misunderstanding the cooldown

and you can actually just remove all of it

and just smash envenom most of the time

[versed mica]

I like not having cttc better honestly, not trying to be controversial

[balmy condor]

and be perfectly fine in your world rank 3500 3/9 mythic guild

[sharp viper]

what about this single target damage build? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVRVVVEVShQRBAQBENVVhVVRWFBEEMEBQ

[balmy condor]

what about it

[spice surge]

Hi should i unbind symbols from dance now that i have 2p? (I also have tea macroed to dance, i like getting 140 energy when i press dance)

[thorn fjord]

Just using one of you or Fuu’s guide without bothering with sims would improve most casual players or players looking to improve

The 3/8 mythic gamer

But they get caught up on sims and stuff

[versed mica]

Wrong channel a think, you asking about sub?

[balmy condor]

like how am I supposed to give feedback on the build you linked

[pale plank]

@balmy condor i am reading up on ur Sin guide in Wowhead and raid talent build section, most of them go with the bonespike build, which boss should i go with sepsis?

[keen spruce]

i think he was trollin

lol

[balmy condor]

technically all of them

bone spike is like 2% behind

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

it's pretty close

[night delta]

Being a 3/9, I can't shake the feeling that the 3/9 commentary feels a little bit disdainful not gonna lie

[balmy condor]

much easier to play

[pale plank]

ok ty for help

[versed mica]

Yeah you in sin, if you ask in sub they can help you better

[spice surge]

I cant tell who is getting wooshed

Me or him

[versed mica]

Bone spike is better in the big aoe fight right?

[spice spire]

No

[versed mica]

Well, unless you cheese

[earnest remnant]

dont think it couldve been said any better

[royal lantern]

you could

by posting a funny raccon pic with it

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not supposed to be disdainful, its not a jab at you, or heroic raiding guilds or anyone tbh, it's supposed to be the hard truth. If you're 3/9 right now, the average of your guild is simply not playing at a level where picking and choosing things for the last crumb of simdps is going to make any noticeable difference. Being at that level is fine for the gameplay that you and a vast majority of the community enjoys, but it's important to realize why you're at that level. Are you at that level because it's fun? I was for a very long time. I was guild leading for 4 years, and we were the heroic+ guild that ended a tier at 3/9. And it was a lot of fun, with a lot of good people, that I look back on fondly. But we weren't 3/9 at the end of a tier because people were playing bonespike over sepsis, or didn't get the memo that exsang is bugged and actually you shouldn't play it because swapping talents is a 0.8% dps loss. We weren't wiping because people didn't fill their vaults, or didn't craft the best legendary. We wiped because people didn't know the mechanics, stood in bad, and generally didn't put effort into understanding the core foundations of their specs gameplay.

[drifting cloud]

now we just do the same things while progging sark

[balmy condor]

and maybe you're the outlier in your guild, offended that I said you don't play at that level when you're stomping the rest of your guild into the dirt

and idk

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m 2/9 (we wiped like 5 times to Zaqali, seriously wtf) but he’s right

[balmy condor]

that's your problem

if you're upset about your reality, I can't fix that for you

[spice spire]

Like I play sbs because I don’t have to crank every single bit of dps out

[night delta]

Yeah in that sense I agree. Heck I'd be 4/9 rn if our tanks sorted their shit out on experiments p2.5 phase

[spice spire]

And I am an sbsimp

People focus on some weird things when 99% of the time I can troll with the build and be fine

[balmy condor]

[night delta]

It just felt somewhat condescending in the moment, feels better with the explanation

[balmy condor]

pull 148, 2 people get dazzled

we continue on to see more p2

the voices grow louder

[balmy condor]

okay but what gems do I use??

[night delta]

As for us, it seems I can't get people to use the damned portal to get in place for bleeds

[spice spire]

Vers maybe you’ll need less cocoon noob

[balmy condor]

kinda real

[night delta]

Proceeds to land the boss on the other side of the globe

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't need cocoon if I was playing outlaw

[snow oasis]

you do good work and I appreciates ya Whispyr

[royal lantern]

crit, so that beacon gamba works more often

[balmy condor]

I can only assume you also do good work thank you for being a positive impact on society spay

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

vers, so that the beacon gamba is more gamba

[night delta]

Haste, for the feel on the energy regen

[royal lantern]

youre right

[balmy condor]

if you don't like RNG damage, you should just try making the stakes higher

until you feel something again

[versed mica]

Sbs bis because when I die I still contribute to boss damage

[spice spire]

Amen

[slim pebble]

Yall have beacon?

[spice spire]

The real bestie

[night delta]

Spoken like a true player

[balmy condor]

PoV my raid leader telling me to use death pots when I've never had one in my bag

[night delta]

Bruh that healing though

Clutch

Pretty certain half my raid don't know that's even a thing

[balmy condor]

"use death pots guys" he says with 3 people alive, none of which are tanks, and the boss at 7% hp

[blazing jewel]

purple name going crazy and its not even raid time yet

[royal lantern]

the fuck are deathpots

[versed mica]

Bro you not listening to him is the reason you don't down the boss, you 8/9 LOSER

[night delta]

I can feel of legit 1 pull where deathpots might've been useful

[night delta]

We once got amalgams at sub 100k hp

Before wipe

[versed mica]

https://youtu.be/eNynxWZK30A
@balmy condor

[royal lantern]

seems usefull for those "everyone except tank are dead and boss is at 0,8%" situations you have ALL THE TIME

[woeful meteor]

and is at a kill time that your pot just came off cd and you didnt use it while alive

[night delta]

Tbf, they could be clutch

Though how often do raids clutch it this close, idk

[balmy condor]

I wish I had a clip of blason's stream last night where the guy was like "you need to go to bed? You have a bed time? Baby needs a bottle?"

[royal lantern]

blason cant sleep

his Heart beat is at 261

[blazing jewel]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/DarlingBetterAlfalfaKappaClaus-paoyuTI58I3HVPfC

not that clip

but its a good one

[royal lantern]

i just dont get that guy

playing 28/9

absolute horror ui

demon raid times

[woeful meteor]

did they actually overtime an extra 2 Hours yesterday

[royal lantern]

and no real payoff lol

[woeful meteor]

went asleep after 2,5 hours and saw vod was 5 hours long today

[blazing jewel]

they ot every raid lol

[royal lantern]

when do they NOT overtime by 1-2hours+ lol

[balmy condor]

brother if you're going to go to bed you might as well gquit right now

[night delta]

Pretty sure if I push it like that to my raid team I end up with acute lead poisoning to the brain soon after

[woeful meteor]

also true, even with my demon scheduelle I usually sleep at the end of their raids tho

I just wonder how anyone joins that guild

doesn't everyone know, you will get memed to death by anyone else playing wow and ot 10 Hours a week

[kindred imp]

I thought bomb dispenser is S+ trinket over Beacon :?

[balmy condor]

those are all margin of error

[woeful meteor]

it is also iridues oversims dont use it

[kindred imp]

figured

yeah i read about that in pins. thx

[night delta]

Why are there two sims of the same trinket setup, but swapped though

[kindred imp]

ye lol, giviing dif. number too. Let me remove the iri

[versed mica]

Trinket in first slot is used first

Second trinket used second

[night delta]

Ah ok, didn't know about that

Speaking of trinkets, anything yet on the sandglass one from the 10.1.5 megadungeon ?

[versed mica]

Prolly not, it takes them a bit to do simcraft stuff

[night delta]

What feels wierd is that the tooltip now states the haste can stack up to 100 times before the sand runs out...

... but has a ppm of 20. So unless it has a cycle well over 2 mins (which would be very wierd, really), I don't see how it could get anywhere close to that limit in any way.

Or, if the sands deplete only at max stacks, we're looking at a thing that'll cycle at most once per raid fight, if ever.

[pale plank]

ok got i forgot this was a thing for Sin

man i hated it with a passion

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor aint no way they just made this emote

[gilded oasis]

Im a fan now

[blazing jewel]

[pale plank]

what emote?

[blazing jewel]

[pale plank]

👀

[proper tapir]

Would love that for each of our specs, imagine how much faster it would be to answer the fotm switcher questions

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce Zskarn gonna be a joke now

[woeful meteor]

Huge

[keen spruce]

does it just spawn 2 traps?

[woeful meteor]

just add this as scanar as response

[woeful meteor]

2 close 2 far

[gaunt moat]

no, it spawns 2 closest, and 2 furthest

[blazing jewel]

scanaw is rising

[gaunt moat]

so basically you just go clockwise, and then run to other side in Tactical destruction

and you won't have traps spawning right in the middle of the room

[keen spruce]

oh ez

[gaunt moat]

plus you can probably survive an elemination protocol now

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cerulean nest]

whats the general damage vs heal proc ratio for the thorn boots

just made em, did a 3min fight, procced 18 times, all 18 were damage

[balmy condor]

like 20:1 I think

[cerulean nest]

oh nice

[blazing jewel]

why does kazzara have a secret move

of giving me laser during sepsis

[gilded oasis]

kazzara smells sepsis and locks on

[spice spire]

Doubt

[blazing jewel]

what do you have on this

0 means you cant even quantify my power

[spice spire]

Pretty sure I have a 0 from afking

[blazing jewel]

what about a 0 from bone spike

[balmy condor]

[void mesa]

Is KB... a thing now???

Or did I miss the meme

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's not really a thing

[runic hinge]

It’s beautiful

[balmy condor]

it's doing okay in heroic

[blazing jewel]

you did not

reporting you for that

[gilded oasis]

🤢

[balmy condor]

do it

[ebon notch]

hey id like to report a mod in RH

he played a talent i didnt like

his name was @whispussy or smth

cat ears and pink hair, cant miss him

[balmy condor]

yeah checks out

thank you for the report, Nocco's bench rogue

[spare narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lethal mortar]

i sim at exactly 125000 isnt that wicked https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3XL8FEa7yn2btMivJwD1fJ

[balmy condor]

yeah just don't run the sim again

[lethal mortar]

i wont 🙂

[ebon notch]

[woeful meteor]

you still the bench rogue? saw your rogue looking on wowprog

[ebon notch]

I play ret

Rogue is still benched for now ye

[idle inlet]

Finally can get rid of the annulet boys

[balmy condor]

heroic done

[idle inlet]

Do you think the rogue rework is just making kb good again?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just a tuning issue

they could make KB good again tomorrow if they wanted to

[blazing jewel]

+20k dps

[idle inlet]

wish they would

[still swallow]

so does the sepsis stealth free stealth cast give your garrote the +2 cp from the talents as if you cast it from stealth

[balmy condor]

no

[still swallow]

ok, (brand new first time max level so just figuring out)

[balmy condor]

it gives improved garrote

so it is empowered

but it doesn't give the extra cp

[blazing jewel]

when beacon is an actual coin flip

[earnest remnant]

always is a coin flip

you either crit or you dont

[blazing jewel]

[median root]

do we know if assa is getting a tuning pass in 10.1.5 or no need because lower reliance on annulet?

[spice spire]

any askers in chat?

[spice spire]

don't munch for bs procs

four even

holy

[still leaf]

were all just coping until the changes come hopefully 10.1.7

[blazing jewel]

are you flaming

toxic reee

[still leaf]

sin channel is so toxic im literally crying in a corner now

[runic hinge]

The answer is no tuning for annulet because we can use other rings at a high enough ilvl

[spice spire]

bro

I'm a literal trash can

[runic hinge]

I actually got my sim to let me off it today

[spice spire]

as the italiants say

[blazing jewel]

youre our cute trashcan

[spice spire]

gabagool

I am not

[blazing jewel]

I was highest boss damage in the raid

ill take that

highly competitive award

[balmy condor]

no tuning needed for annulet

most high end sin rogues aren't using annulet right now already

[median root]

yep knew that, was just wondering if they intended to do a pass for assa anyway and just hadn't released notes yet

[balmy condor]

and we would know that?

[median root]

maybe, idk

apologies

[strange python]

Are you not blizzard?

[spice spire]

Mag check says otherwise bozo

[blazing jewel]

what the

mag is old news

meant nelth

[balmy condor]

I am all of blizzard

[strange python]

Buff me plz.

[balmy condor]

I'm the physical embodiment of a multi billion dollar company

[median root]

if you're blizzard i can take it as an official no then

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[woeful meteor]

@gaunt moat https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xy9rU7zbuPNtpM4JTUzcdD

still needs to cook but socket will win like 99%

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[woeful meteor]

and it won by 210 suprisingly close

[gaunt moat]

let's see how much dps i'll gain with crafted ring, let me set it up a minute

[earnest remnant]

Rashok

[spice spire]

Tell him stealthi

[blazing jewel]

stealthi flaming me

dont meet your heroes guys

toxic green name smh

[gaunt moat]

Yeah i'm getting 600dps over annulet with crafted ring

finally getting rid of that

[brazen zodiac]

smh

[spice spire]

I will not take stealthi slander at this time, you’ll be hearing from my lawyer soon

[blazing jewel]

Is it Oxi

[spice spire]

It’s actually stealthi

[blazing jewel]

He’s representing himself

[drifting cloud]

best man for the job obv?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

He’s a lawyer, why would he need to find another one

[gray horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor if I'm playing kb, is it after sepsis before dm?

[peak bobcat]

Kb

[tacit otter]

afaik its after the first env in DM. so sepsis -> dm -> shiv -> env -> kb

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Like Paul said

[runic hinge]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

You’re holding both shivs for kb btw

[sharp viper]

kb plays without CTCC?

[runic hinge]

I knew that. I hit some dummies for a bit and ran some sims. Probably not playing it when I raid Sunday.

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah it’s not a good build :P

[balmy condor]

Every build can technically play without cttc but it feels horrid and is way more effort than what you get out of it

could you drop cttc

And get like +250 simdps

Sure

But ain’t nobody doing that

Except maybe @versed mica

He’s a psycho

[royal lantern]

why is it that i wake up, and the first thing i read is "drop cttc"

im cursed

[void mesa]

Recasting snd mid pull? 🤮

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

me on my way to kill whispyr (in game)

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/booo-gif-25966356

[balmy condor]

I mean could you?

Life ain’t going so swell my guy

I welcome this

[versed mica]

brother...

[royal lantern]

you cant, snd is runnig out and you have to re-cast it first

[versed mica]

Didn't u say it was your bedtime hours ago

[balmy condor]

It’s 8:30 in Deutschland, brothers back from his nap

[versed mica]

I think he needs to sleep some more he's not making sense

[royal lantern]

yes, its 8am and im up again

[runic hinge]

I wanted to see if it could sim close-ish and then maybe pull ahead in execute if I dropped sepsis and doom blade and took 3/3 zoldy and a point in imp poisons but it doesn’t.

[vestal wren]

oh you are in germany?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Not yet, I just know my time conversion

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

My flight’s on the 11th

[vestal wren]

nice

[runic hinge]

Realistically im just trying to top the meters in my aotc guild and the warlock is too close to give up 6% to add a button that I find fun

[royal lantern]

the kingsbane problem man

[runic hinge]

A tragedy

[dusk shoal]

What would be a good amount of haste for ass rouge

[balmy condor]

Somewhere between 0% and 20%

[grave depot]

does 447 ominous essence beat class trinket in 10.1.5?

[royal lantern]

sim

omnious needs all buffs to even be a choice at all btw

[craggy oak]

im close to quiting over not having a bomb or beacon what is this game

[royal lantern]

a bit drastic, isnt it...?

[gaunt moat]

When you sim and it wants you to change literally all your gems

[balmy condor]

220 dps notter

You must do it

Magmorax unkillable without it

[gaunt moat]

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

On one hand, it's only 220 dps.
on the other, it break 125k..
Mah gold

[grim jay]

Inb4 doesnt change and they wipe at a couple k HP, never getting close again

[gaunt moat]

Stop, it's too much pressureeeeee Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[somber sparrow]

our guild just does heroic right now, but dang, a wipe at 6.7%

on echo

[steel ridge]

thats a small raid

[bright trail]

boys help me 😦 unfortunately no bacon anywhere to be seen..

[fallen raven]

i'd probably do 441 dice over 437 frag personally

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s either dice or essence

Depends how much you like m+ I guess

Cause essence sucks in m+

[fallen raven]

dice is gonna be able to be taken up to 447 in 2 weeks too

[bright trail]

equally same

played too long with on use stat boost for DM

somehow feels bad replacing it. Was the same with PB

[balmy condor]

yeah except fragment sucks

real fucking bad

[bright trail]

ok if sensei whisp says so it will be done

essence> dice in Raid?

[balmy condor]

if your raid has all the buffs

yep

[bright trail]

oh yeah we have

[balmy condor]

perfect

upgrade that chromatic then

and then you can still play the fragment in m+ I guess

[bright trail]

thanks for advice as always!

[spice spire]

Whispyr confirmed dice opp

[burnt latch]

Dice dn

[uneven summit]

hmm

rolling dice/bomb atm

[bright trail]

bacon

[burnt latch]

Thats a dagger and two trinkets and gloves hooooly

[gaunt moat]

easy beacon
daggers are craftable, it's a whatever.

[uneven summit]

have 447 daggers for ages

was more thinking between classtrinket and bacon

[gaunt moat]

beacon should sim higher

[raven merlin]

441 dice simms exactly the same as an 441 beacon for me for example

[gaunt moat]

for me beacon sims 1k higher

(i don't have beacon btw 🥲 )

[raven merlin]

and i will never touch my beacon again 😄

[pseudo hamlet]

Do crafted rings always come with sockets?

[raven merlin]

yes

[royal lantern]

whats the name again

always forget that one

[pseudo hamlet]

Got two rings in GV and was wondering if it wouldn't be better to actually craft 2 rings and get the socket for the crafted wrists...

[ebon notch]

[clever sapphire]

i think the game is telling me something, got 2 tierpieces on my rogue again. Guess what my enha alt that i played 1 raid with last week (got bacon on my first sark kill), he also just got a bomb in his vault

this game just hates me right?

[burnt latch]

This isnt the holy paladin discord

[ebon notch]

smh arent you on vacation

[burnt latch]

nono vacation is over brother

[ebon notch]

where are you then??

[burnt latch]

What do you mean

[supple snow]

Hey people.

Any news for our spec ?

[gaunt moat]

8 ball says: sin is gonna drop in ranking

[deft flicker]

Yea, a piece of code is tweaked by a multi-dollar Indian company specifically to hate you in particular

[gaunt moat]

Maybe another 5% in the future eh? 👺

[deft flicker]

[burnt latch]

Its good

[supple snow]

It’s mid. And everything else is being buffed. I would hesitate on calling it good. 😅

Hopefully soon though

[clever sapphire]

i knew it

[balmy condor]

idk, I'm like top 3-4 on boss damage basically every pull on mythic sark prog

and sark is one of the worst fights for sin, and rogue in general

so

can't be that mid

[burnt latch]

Think sin is good

Just very unflexible

It does one thing good and nothing else

[supple snow]

I’m not sure, may be me doing something giga wrong. But I look into other logs and shit and I don’t find anything super wrong.

[gaunt moat]

You're also one of the best sin players, so it's hard to judge anacdotally

Like, feral is kinda bad right now
But our feral usually does more than me, cause he's insane

[pseudo hamlet]

It's normal that dung slice shows me crit/haste gems > crit/mast ones? Seems odd

[balmy condor]

my parses are pretty average in my guild

[supple snow]

Constantly doing 90-95 parses to end up 5-10

[balmy condor]

probably kinda low

idk

I don't think I'm that good of a button pusher tbh

I've always been more a theoretical player more than a practial

[supple snow]

Proceeds to do 99 parses casually.

[gaunt moat]

You got unlucky that you always kill on bad pulls for you.
But almost any other pull would have been a high parse.

Also, hard to parse as sin when there are less than 100 sins that killed past zsjarn

[balmy condor]

we kill fast idk

I can't parse nelth or sark for shit on heroic

just can't be done

but yeh idk

if I'm keeping up with top 3-4 on boss damage before we're hitting execute phase

[gaunt moat]

Have you seen that number one nelth heroic?
It was a boosted run

[balmy condor]

then even someone worse than me

[royal lantern]

facts

[balmy condor]

gonna be pretty stronk

sin just feels like ass when you're doing prog

cause if it's not the first 30 seconds

or the last 1:30

you feel worthless

[gaunt moat]

Yeah

[supple snow]

This is so true

[balmy condor]

yeh the top logs at this point are just fully littered

[supple snow]

Execute phase

[rare jackal]

cause those fights depend on how much you can padd on adds

i only just now got a good parse on hc sark cause we had 8 buyers so the boss and adds lived for an eternity

[gaunt moat]

But for average player, sin is mid.
And about to get worse

[pseudo hamlet]

also mast/haste neck > crit/mast

[balmy condor]

it's an interesting thing

cause usually sin does better on lower parses

and worse on higher

[gaunt moat]

What do you mean?

[balmy condor]

like the reason we don't get buffed for looking like shit in mythic

is cause it's still crushing for like 50 percentile heroic

[oak eagle]

make sin great again

[gaunt moat]

Ah

[balmy condor]

that's the shit that happened last tier

we were dead last on mythic

but you go to like 50-70 percentile heroic

and assassination is actually full stomping

[bold lintel]

probably cause assa is easier to play okay when for example sub has more stuff to it?

[balmy condor]

for example

you look at 95 percentile mythic

doo doo spec

50 percentile

kinda okay

[gaunt moat]

I think more likely has to do with kill times than easier to play

[balmy condor]

50 percentile heroic

and what's this

it's just actually crazy

[supple snow]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

if you pull down the percentile even further it actually becomes the best spec

for like

heroic shitters

this is like the normal raiders that dabble in heroic

they encounter this on their meters

and go nuts

75% normal is the same deal

so for the vast majority of the community

assassination is perfectly fine

[gaunt moat]

It's defintly not because complexity
Because frost is so low 😂

[ebon notch]

ASSASSINATION IS SO FUCKING POGGERS

IM SWAPPING MAIN RIGHT NOW

[balmy condor]

for the 3000 or so sin parses in mythic though

[bold lintel]

i am talking about complexity between assa and sub

[balmy condor]

kinda misery

and btw that's all overall charts

if you were to look at boss damage

then uh

stronk

[bold lintel]

and for a player that aspiers to kill sarkareth the last day of season, assa is to go spec cause its simplier and i am pretty sure its also recomended one

[burnt latch]

Rogues got a very low skill ceiling damage wise

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor how many sin parses logged on heroic overall (all bosses)?

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

about 40k

devoker and shadow priest have a combined 550k

[burnt latch]

In vault im pretty sure all rogue specs were top tier in 10th precentile by quite a bit cuz u dont need to know how to play the game to do okay damage on rogue, and the damage difference between an okay rogue and an insane rogue isnt as stark as with some other classes that have more skill expression.

[balmy condor]

bm hunters at 300k

[bold lintel]

look at that bad boy

[oak eagle]

how many of all rogue specs

[bold lintel]

215k

[oak eagle]

bruh

[balmy condor]

vast majority are sub

[oak eagle]

we have less than bm hunters

[bold lintel]

we have almost half of all rets

[gaunt moat]

also in other words

sin is 3rd spec from the bottom with amount of parses

[balmy condor]

[bold lintel]

other 2 being dead sepcs xd

[balmy condor]

all the outlaw rogues are too busy playing m+

[gaunt moat]

i don't know if that plays in favor of sin or not, but lower group size compared to like... 400k ret palas., might also affect it.
(probably not by much though)

[ebon notch]

outlaw in m+

[bold lintel]

in m+ rogue is the least played class

i think pepole just don't play rogue anymore

[balmy condor]

in the past, the trend has been towards lower pop classes having higher skill

but it's kinda negligible for the most part

[oak eagle]

all the outlaw rogues are gonna be giga pumping once the buffs come in on the 11th

[balmy condor]

you mean the buffs that they've been crying about for the last week?

[oak eagle]

exactly

[balmy condor]

idk

kinda ill to get buffed

and complain

imo

[gaunt moat]

Mah annulet

[balmy condor]

but I guess I just don't understand "the lifestyle™️"

[supple snow]

Out of all the rogue specs which is in the deepest shit?

[gaunt moat]

all?

[oak eagle]

is there a way to incorperate the nerfs to eggnog ring and annulet for sims

[balmy condor]

yeh you just sim ptr=1

[oak eagle]

ty

[royal lantern]

wdym with that?

like, "most in need of help balance wise" or "most gameplay weirdness"

[supple snow]

I mean which spec has it worse than the other two?

[royal lantern]

assa

by a mile

the spec is unable to do aoe rn, it doesnt even have a aoe rotation by itself

[supple snow]

Moat in need of help is what I had in mind.

[scarlet orbit]

if you look at all. If you sort for 20+ or even 25 + its a bit different

[royal lantern]

outlaw and sub can do st and aoe good with % buffs alone

assa needs way more to actually be functional in anything that is not pure ST

[supple snow]

Fun

[rare jackal]

i feel like the ideas to make rogue awesome in DF were there but they just didnt materialize unfortunately

i should add assa especially

[bold lintel]

it used to be diffrent for 20+ up, but now we are tied for last with monks id say

[royal lantern]

sub has a big Identity crisis going on

outlaw is a weird split bettwen people liking it, and people really hating it and wanting SL outlaw back

[bold lintel]

@scarlet orbit +20s

[oak eagle]

how does one do the ptr=1

[bold lintel]

25s look good tho

[balmy condor]

In the section at the bottom of the sim

[rare jackal]

right
although, i feel like outlaw is in the best place
this is the first season where i sorta enjoyerd playing outlaw

[balmy condor]

Custom apl

[gaunt moat]

what identity crisis does sub have?

[balmy condor]

Or maybe expert mode if that doesn’t work

[rare jackal]

flat damage profile

[scarlet orbit]

that pala and priests are out of hand atm

[gaunt moat]

not having big cooldowns is identity crisis?

[rare jackal]

a spec revolving around burst windows having its filler as the main damage output

[royal lantern]

having a spec that is supposed to be "the melee arcane mage" beeing a mindless "use shit on cd cus it doesnt matter, fillers do a ridicolous amount of dmg" is a identity crisis yes

[scarlet orbit]

at least sub rn has a few builds which are really close togehter at least for singletarget

[rare jackal]

yup, good point
cd usage is really unsatifsfying (and counter intuitive)

[royal lantern]

rn its like

[supple snow]

Also might be a case of how sub used to be this finesse spec of backstab do more dam look for procs and all that

Now it’s press shit.

[gaunt moat]

Last time i played sub was in legion when it was all aobut DfA, so i hardly know what's it like right now.
but i hated it then and i hate it now.

[cobalt hemlock]

i switched to sub because ass is miserable to play in m+

[supple snow]

Same.

I am still assa in raid tho

[cobalt hemlock]

same

[royal lantern]

assa gameplay wise is mostly fine, but lacks in options/sucks that things like kingsbane are straightup griefing to Play and has 0aoe options by default

sub turned from a "plan ahead for big dmg windows, and prepare for the next one" into "just use on cd, everything does dmg anyway"

outlaw feels just very split bettwen people that like the current gameplay and people that really want SL outlaw back(im in the 2nd camp, DF outlaw is a abomination)

[gaunt moat]

you don't like doing 30k less dps for double the effort? weird.

[royal lantern]

same lol

like

yeha sure, lets play assa in m+

oh look, totem/add that needs to die in ~5seconds spawned

[gaunt moat]

Just DM it

[cobalt hemlock]

do you think the rogue rework comes in the half patch because we didnt hear anything yet about it and its not that far away while we heard much more from other things happening that patch

[supple snow]

Every 30 seconds

[scarlet orbit]

SL Outlaw or Prepatch outlaw was so nice to play

[supple snow]

I mean if they make DM a 30 sec CD I’m down

[hollow cedar]

Prepatch outlaw was insanely fun

[scarlet orbit]

Yea prepatch was so nice

[gaunt moat]

Personally? no. maybe in 10.2 if at all. could also be a scratched plan.

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah it does feel to me too like they abandoned it

[gaunt moat]

reasoning: we heard zero news.

[cobalt hemlock]

since they said they are reworking affliction before the much more anounced rogue

[gaunt moat]

need to rework druid like a few more times first

[royal lantern]

hey, affliction actually needs help ok

like yeha, fuck warlock and all that

but affliction has simmelar problems assa has

[gaunt moat]

Druid has been reworked every single patch afaik.

[supple snow]

I think it’s delayed because the man in charged lost someone in his family

[scarlet orbit]

think even worse because the other 2 warlockspecs are so insanly ahead in every content

[supple snow]

10.1.7 or 10.2 I’d say

[gaunt moat]

TO BE FAIR
pala rework was in 1.0.7, right?

[royal lantern]

yes

like man, im the biggest warlock hater in the world, but i still see and 100% understand why afflicition is in dire need of attention lol

[vapid sierra]

Then we lose a lot of execute

They’d have to nErf dm to the ground

[gaunt moat]

so it's not unheard of to have a major rework for an .7 patch

[supple snow]

We can only hope.

[supple snow]

Oh no.

[vapid sierra]

I like dm

It’s a high impact button

30 seconds would ruin it

Basically turn it into secret technique or adr

[supple snow]

But at least we can kill adds and totems in M+

😂

[gaunt moat]

All I'm sayin' is.. it's not gonna be rogue, it's gonna be hunter

[supple snow]

Sadge

[vapid flicker]

when do i use beacon in my opener?

[balmy condor]

Before dm after rupturing

[deft flicker]

Fwiw they might be in need of help more than we are

[vapid sierra]

Now

Some sort of aoe talent for dm would be nice

Or some aoe version of dm

With a shorter cd and obv less dmg

[gaunt moat]

Depends on what metrics you're looking at.
But i wasn't joking, i do think hunter will get a rework before rogue.

[vapid sierra]

What’s wrong with hunters

Bm doesn’t have a broken bow anymore?

[gaunt moat]

yeah

both BM and MM are not great right now.
survival is mid, but like.. it's survival, it's unpopular (yet more popular than sin)

they are gonna get some buffs in 10.1.5 though, so we'll see

sorry, not 10.1.5, the buffs are already live today

[spice surge]

Those are MM buffs

Its inconsequential for BM, not even breaking the margin of error in sims

[royal lantern]

is bm even pressing kill shot?

[subtle tundra]

Like maybe once

[sick aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[minor gate]

another week another vault

beacon

lets go

[spice spire]

Huge

[warm parcel]

Its gona be rogue like it was rogues time in bfa

[brazen lagoon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen lagoon]

Hey guys, can craft another item

Should i get head or titan ring ?

dont have Signet btw, was thinking crafting ring to compensate

[grim jay]

You should

Sim yourself

[spice spire]

This is a sim answer

[deft flicker]

Head is ideally a tier piece

[brazen lagoon]

i have all parts

i don't know how to sim items i don't have

[grim jay]

Droptimizer-> professions

[spice spire]

Droptimizer, yeah

[brazen lagoon]

ok thanks mates

[pseudo hamlet]

depends if she's good at it

[brazen lagoon]

X) nice one

[spice spire]

I don’t get it

[quasi osprey]

Idk if anyone remembers but did the saga with the guy that cooked something fierce about talent tree pathing being unintuitive or some shit get any kind of conclusion

It was like 1 week ago

I had to leave that glorious discourse early

Can't find his username

[strange python]

He talking bout that slop top

[spice spire]

Oh I meant I didn’t get the part that was supposed to be funny

[strange python]

[burnt latch]

does someone have omnious simc string

[woeful meteor]

.

[spice spire]

Fuck I have it saved

[teal iris]

copy="all secondaries"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
copy="haste"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
copy="crit"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
copy="mastery"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
copy="vers"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

Tc research big dude

I got fuu to pin it

Can also edit the secondaries

That you actually have

#tc-research message

[spice spire]

How about you pin these pal

(Not rn, I don’t want you to get sick)

[gusty mirage]

Why don’t you blow me

[spice spire]

I might

But also not rn

[gusty mirage]

Imma get Don herbo to beat you up

Put some respect on my name

I’m apparently famous in wow now

At least that’s what my stinky title says

[burnt latch]

one msg from oxidawg and im approaching your house at 220km/h

better watch out

[spice spire]

Approach me mister herbo

I’ve the ultimate defense

Herbicides

[burnt latch]

ive lost many friends to herbicide

the young herbs

[gusty mirage]

Threaten him again and I banana you

Don herbo is off limits from bullying

[burnt latch]

[spice spire]

I guess

It’ll just have to go to the next nocco rogue

@ebon notch touch grass

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch nerd

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

[thorn fjord]

Got another top ten parse yesterday

Morning peeps

[main blaze]

Oh nice I got a bottom 10 parse yesterday. Its like we are twinsies.

[spice spire]

Weird

I don’t see 1

[thorn fjord]

Got mechanics on my last set of CDs.. could have gotten 1 if I would have just gone melee brain and stayed on boss

[main blaze]

You melee brained your melee brain.

[thorn fjord]

At the pulmonologist office right now and there’s a guy in the waiting room that sounds like a fucking English bull dog oh my god

[spice spire]

No what I meant was

I don’t see one person who asked (I’m so sorry)

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

I actually hope this is just a check in

[strange python]

Damn. Assault chest piece is giga with next patch

[pure comet]

Does recraft requires one spark? I thought it was free

I messed up embellishments early in season and can't fix it now

[gusty mirage]

Recrafting and item does not require a spark if you crafted it with this season’s spark

[spice spire]

Refract requires no spark unless it’s a season one craft

[gusty mirage]

Get wrecked quake

Nerd

[spice spire]

Fuck

[pure comet]

Lol

Might be bugged, I'll contact support, and tell them to fix exsanguinate too

[gusty mirage]

Only thing that would require a new spark is if you’re swapping specific items like slimey expulsion boots vs toxic thorn boots

[pure comet]

I just clicked to recraft my dagger to fix some embellishments, but the spark is in red

And dont let me send

I crafted with shadowflame btw

20 years old game I guess

[gusty mirage]

Can you send a screenshot

It’s a little fucky sometimes and the interface isn’t exactly super clear

[pure comet]

I'll, at work rn but when get home I send here

[gusty mirage]

I’m p sure I know what you’re referencing I just wanna make sure

[pure comet]

Interesting situation

[pure comet]

Might be

I saw some Reddit posts with same problem

Recently

[gusty mirage]

There were some weird UI bugs with the crafting thing earlier in the season

[pure moth]

Why with next patch?

[strange python]

Upgrades to 447

[pure comet]

Just to confirm, exsanguinate still bugged right?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah exsang dead af

[pure comet]

Damn bruh

[strange python]

Will have to move embellishment from helm to bracers and get a tier helm

[gusty mirage]

Guys hear me out

What if they combined the crafting shit to the AH

[strange python]

Catalyst bracers big too, shit. Where put toxic patch now.

[gusty mirage]

And crafters could make the bop items for the crafting portion of the AH

And you just buy it directly vs waiting for someone to do it

I should work for blizzard

[pure comet]

They should hire you

[strange python]

Oxi hear me out

Dinars should come back every 10.1.5 patch.

[gusty mirage]

Hear me out

Blizzard bans me and I never have to play wow again

[abstract jacinth]

Make new account gg ez

I mean.. I would never suggest that!

[gusty mirage]

If my wow account got banned I’d be mad af and never play wow again

[abstract jacinth]

Fair enough

Just go off the deep end, full toxic in trade chat you’ll get there in no time

[thorn fjord]

You get a hard r and you get a hard r and you get a hard r

Bam banned

🤣

Knowing blizz it prob wouldn’t be perma ban

[gusty mirage]

Nah I once got a 3 monther for exploiting my way into hyjal in classic

And under stormwind

[gaunt moat]

Criminal

[pure comet]

[gusty mirage]

The powers of a bored teenager

[thorn fjord]

Lol what was the exploit

[night delta]

Tbh, it's wild that such harsh punishments were issued for something that offered absolutely no advantage whatsoever

[gusty mirage]

You could jump your way up some mountains in searing gorge

And then jump out of the map and run under stormwind

[night delta]

and that nowadays exploits that give significant advantage often get banned for far less time

[thorn fjord]

They had to make the example @night delta

[gaunt moat]

It's to dissuade from unintentional behaviour

[gusty mirage]

It was also my 3rd warning I enjoyed checking out places I couldn’t get to

Lmao

I may or may not have killed people flagged for pvp when I was under stormwind too

[vapid sierra]

I cant be that creative when I’m bored

[gusty mirage]

Allegedly of course

[vapid sierra]

Power to you

[vapid sierra]

When cross faction became available my friend and I used to summon hordes into stormwind instead of the dungeon

[gusty mirage]

The GM was cool about it and explained to me why they had to suspend my account

I understood it, I knew what I was doing

[vapid sierra]

How did they know you did it

Did you clip it and post it?

Or did you have to request a unstuck or something?

[gusty mirage]

Because he teleported to me while I was under stormwind

[vapid sierra]

Bro was just around you?

[night delta]

good old days when GMs were actually in-game

patrolling n stuff

[gusty mirage]

I guess someone reported me for allegedly killing them

[vapid sierra]

Ohh this was around classic

I Forget wows this old

[night delta]

hanging out in GM island

[gusty mirage]

GMs were top notch back then

I also got reported for naming my Druid “milkytaint”

[vapid sierra]

LMAOO

My boomkins called boomyarab

Surprised it hasn’t gotten banned yet

Or name change requested

[thorn fjord]

My d4 sorc is named Mommymilk

[spice spire]

[pulsar dirge]

At rashok we are hitting 6 minute mark. Should i delay third deathmark for the boss to reach 35%? Do you use the third one with 2nd pot at 5min?

[spice spire]

You delay the pot a minute to line up with your fourth

I’m assuming you mean 6 minute + and not 6 on the dot

[pulsar dirge]

yeah 6 minutes

[spice spire]

Most prog kills is like 6:30 on the dot

But more gear these days

[pulsar dirge]

ah so i will probably get a full fourth DM , yeah didnt factor that in

cause everyone will stay alive

thank you

[high berry]

Are there supposed to be rogue changes in 10.1.5 ?

[vestal wren]

blizz announced that they work on rogue, but changes are delayed for .1.7 or .2

mostly as a result of low developer bandwidth it seems

[thorn fjord]

That last DM comes up right before enrage

So you won’t get the full enjoyment from it

[vestal wren]

so we are not forgotten, just need to be patient

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-broken-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-12803884

[vestal wren]

realz had some messages in the discord recently

[thorn fjord]

He was in here yesterday

But was talking gloomblade stuff with whispyr

[vestal wren]

eleem did mention it earlier

[thorn fjord]

Which was weird

[vestal wren]

ye, would make more sense to talk in the sub channel about it

i talked earlier about it in the sub channel too, but overall i am happy thre is communication

[thorn fjord]

We’re still in a weird spot where the tree feels janky and we might feel weaker than the meta dps classes

But we’re still Bussin

And really good for prog

So I can see why we’re not too prio

Top

[vestal wren]

honestly

i think the tree is okay-ish for subtlety

the bugs intentional or not

did lead to 3 distinct talent options in raiding

[thorn fjord]

Which is great for the spec imo

[vestal wren]

and for what its worth, we can easy adjust to situations with small changes

[gusty mirage]

2 minute sprint automatically removes any semblance of okay that you guys can try to cope with

[thorn fjord]

2m sprint does suck

[vestal wren]

utility is a diffrent issue

[gusty mirage]

is it though

[winged quail]

Sub tree is pretty good, it's the rogue tree that has problems (and sin tree)

[gusty mirage]

when your utility directly competes with damage

is it a different issue

because you COULD fit in 2min sprint

but you give up damage

[vestal wren]

it seems likely that they cut down on dps talents

in the class tree

[thorn fjord]

The verse talent in class tree has gotta go

[gusty mirage]

if thats what ends up happening

people will actually riot

[vestal wren]

could be bad for the spec tree too, depending on how good talents are now

[winged quail]

I mean if they reduce dps talents I'd imagine they give compensation buffs

[gusty mirage]

removing damage so we can get more utility is the most asinine way of dealing with that issue

[vestal wren]

e.g. it is very likely that we finally get rid of the 3 pointers for assassinaiton

[gusty mirage]

vs just making some things baseline

2 minute sprint shouldn't exist

ever

[vestal wren]

esxang might get a rework also given all the bugs around it

[thorn fjord]

100% @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

the fact that its a talent is ridiculous

[thorn fjord]

Well remember realz pushing around the idea of completely removing exsang

But that was a long time ago

[vestal wren]

i think he might

[thorn fjord]

It’s unfortunate that the majority of us really enjoyed KB and that was taken away

Then we had to revert back to exsang (an ability most of us dislike)

The sepsis tech really saved sin imo

[vestal wren]

i think realz might come up with a smart solution

[thorn fjord]

Hope so

[vestal wren]

i don't think the intend of changes was to make KB not desireable

[thorn fjord]

The DH love did them pretty well.. saw purple on meters last night

[vestal wren]

but i completely agree that the mid season assassination chanegs ended up being fairly meh

moving from 2 competiting builds to one dominant one

diversity is important, and it sadly lead to a less diverse situation

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but it goes back to what I was saying yesterday

[vestal wren]

(or maybe there are some KB gameplay changes that could make it compelling that we missed?)

[thorn fjord]

The sweaty players aren’t going to care about diversity as much as the casuals

[vestal wren]

i think thats incorrect

i think the casual wants more absolute answers

i see that with subtlety now

we have 3 builds you can play, and one of the top questions comes down to "what is the absolute best"

[thorn fjord]

I’ve heard so many times “I want to be able to play whatever spec I want and be able to get creative” from friends I know who refuse to play wow again after the first talent reworks in wod

[vestal wren]

the top end is more eger to learn what the up and downsides are

i mean think back to it

even before the KB changes

how many people actually played KB

it was a handful of enthusiasts

[thorn fjord]

That’s a good point

[vestal wren]

the majority just sticked to dtb

[thorn fjord]

Think the difference between those two was the difficulty of the rotation

Not that either was super hard

Dtb just ended up being significantly easier

Less to keep track of

[vestal wren]

yes but i think this is the point

if you have more than one build, you can find out trade offs of each

[winged quail]

I got bored with DTB and swapped to KB mid patch, having choices for each spec is nice in the longrun

[vestal wren]

and adjust depeningly

[thorn fjord]

Oh I completely agree dude I’m not against it

[vestal wren]

so if one is easier to perform on but slightly worse in situation X

[gusty mirage]

I mean they are

just because they'll play what's best

doesn't mean it doesn't bother them

[thorn fjord]

That’s also true

[vestal wren]

you can balance out how relevant this is for you, and looking back

[gusty mirage]

a lot of top players preferred kingsbane

over DtB

[blazing jewel]

[vestal wren]

it wasn't for most big enough to switch

[gusty mirage]

because while it wasn't anything WAHOO

we had a capstone that actually changed the way you played

vs DTB

where you slap on 4 poisons and jerk off in a corner

[vestal wren]

both simmed equal

[gusty mirage]

and dtb was better in cleave iirc

[vestal wren]

basically could interchange, just that KB was stronger with extended execute

[vestal wren]

i like details like this

because this is what makes talents exciting

finding out what works best in what situaiton, and adjusting if wanted/needed

[gusty mirage]

ye

and now we just get dtb

because AP fucking sucks

lol

[vestal wren]

fair

[thorn fjord]

AP was a weird decision

[vestal wren]

think AP needs some changes/iteration

if it was supposed to be a compeating talent

[gusty mirage]

I think AP needs to be deleted

something that buffs our dot damage

after our dot damage was nerfed

seems kind of pointless

[vestal wren]

maybe it will be more valuable if point economy changes

[proper tapir]

AP, TTB, and IW should be baseline

[polar fiber]

so is onyx annulet dead now after the nerfs?

[vestal wren]

3 point notes atm do make point economy somewhat weird

[gusty mirage]

yes

[vestal wren]

2 weeks

[polar fiber]

bet

[vestal wren]

you can sim with ptr=1 if you want to see (can just put it in the header section of expert mode)

also it is already replaceable right now

[polar fiber]

thanks! ❤️

[vestal wren]

basically high item level rings will make it easy replacable

[tired night]

Are there certain kill times that make assassin better/worse? Debating using it for magmorax instead of sub

[blazing jewel]

Magmorax kill time is okayish

Rashok sucks

[gusty mirage]

how dare you insult the best boss of this expansion

[blazing jewel]

I meant for kill time papi

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

I love Cheeto man

[vestal wren]

experiments is the best boss

[gusty mirage]

I actually didn't mind experiments

except when the dispel thing became the focal point of the fight

if they increased the icd of the stacking dot

I think the fight would be great

[blazing jewel]

If you didn’t have to hold damage twice I would have really liked echo

[tired night]

How much does losing uptime hurt assassin? I'm helping soak the first 3 pools before we start kiting to the edge and when looking at logs was losing enough shadow techniques procs to lose a dance on the closer pulls

[gusty mirage]

about the same

[blazing jewel]

They are having you soak all 3

[gusty mirage]

the assassination is better with downtime thing is some myth people keep perpetuating

like sub and "funnel"

melee auto attacks and poison procs are a big part of assassination's damage profile

so losing those hurts

even if you have full bleeds rolling

[vestal wren]

think there is a bit of truth in it esp. this tier

[gusty mirage]

we're not allowed to have an honest opinion on echo

that fight is legit straight chilling for rogue

you take no damage

ever

[tired night]

Yeah we have the tanky classes soaking all 3 instead of using the soak groups

[gusty mirage]

rogue is not tanky on magmorax btw

[vestal wren]

subtlety has just a lot of mechanics that want a high uptime.
lingering shadows, shadow dance, symbols of death (with inev), flagallation, shadow dance cdr, shadow techniques.
so downtimes should be worse than for assassination

[gusty mirage]

you die to dot damage that you can't clear with cloak

which you can't on magmorax

[blazing jewel]

You should just split into 3 groups of left right

Way better even split

[vestal wren]

btw. i think consistency is this tier a bit weird

in what you can and can't cloak

and how it changes depending on difficultly

[gusty mirage]

the magmorax thing is intended

no immunities work

[blazing jewel]

I kinda get not being able to cloak on sark because not gaining stacks could be problematic

[gusty mirage]

because otherwise the boss would be even more of a joke than it is now

[blazing jewel]

But zskarn traps????

[vestal wren]

can see why on magmarox

[gusty mirage]

only odd one is zskarn tbh

[vestal wren]

but e.g. on experiments, why can't you dispel with cloak on mythic?

[gusty mirage]

because they for some reason hate healers this tier

and want them to dispel every 20s

[blazing jewel]

Yea that one was kinda weird

[vestal wren]

you can on heroic

thats what i mean in terms of consistency

[gusty mirage]

they want the MD thing to be the strat on mythic

[blazing jewel]

I didn’t realize cloak didn’t work for a while and held it as if it was going to dispel myself

[flint fable]

yup

[polar fiber]

that sad moment when bomb dispenser drops and you and a hunter roll and you roll a 7 and lose even tho he already has one

[gusty mirage]

still makes more sense than zskarn bombs

[vestal wren]

yes abolutely

it was just the first example that came to my mind

[gusty mirage]

I hear zskarn is free now scana

confirm?