assassination

[balmy condor]

permanently

the particle effects on people

[blazing jewel]

Melee formed the Tesla coil

[balmy condor]

are crazy

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt imagine playing first person with warriors and monks pressing their shitty thingys

[balmy condor]

I was zoomed in so far, when I looked at the ground, I could not see if I had a circle on me or not

[clever sapphire]

all the warlock pets

hunters

[balmy condor]

it was out of my field of view

[blazing jewel]

Was it fun though

[clever sapphire]

still did a 10

so there are people under that

[blazing jewel]

Council was the singular fight I could never get a good sub parse on last tier

Too shit at the game

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda

[clever sapphire]

press boon, profit

[balmy condor]

I didn't see boon once all tier

[blazing jewel]

[clever sapphire]

i did get it in my vault on mythic but it was competing with mythic grieftorch, so there goes that

[balmy condor]

brother my heroic parses

if I had boon

fuck

I'm still tilted

[blazing jewel]

Heroic parses

[brazen zodiac]

booning and blooming ⭐

[blazing jewel]

Actually for sin they probably weren’t as pad degen as the other specs

[balmy condor]

yeah

heroic parse runs are fun

and then you do heroic assault

and this shit happens

[blazing jewel]

The 2:30 m assault kill time went crazy for boss damage parses

[balmy condor]

and you want to break your table

[shut owl]

lol

[blazing jewel]

1 of these is not like the others

The cheese strat is fun

Highly recommended

[shut owl]

I've done two keys with raid build and I want to die inside lol

[blazing jewel]

Was it worth it

[shut owl]

for underrot? totally
for brackenhide? never again... but I felt like I could actually damage totems better on last boss?

mighta just been that our group as a whole was less "what's a priority" than my usual pug fair

[clever sapphire]

i want boon to drop from the raid, just so i can farm it to 441 ilvl and do big trash dmg

[shut owl]

io go up; rank go down because I just have been unavailable for fort weeks lol. its fun XD

[clever sapphire]

that trinket is staying in my bank just so i can remember the fun times

same as jailer scars

[shut owl]

don't worry, we'll see it again in S4, where we get fated timeline threatened raids each week

then you can run beacon + boon and cackle as your opener is destroyed

[clever sapphire]

if that happens we will have more affixes in raid than in m+

[shut owl]

secret dev notes: all the removed m+ affixes are just moved to raid challenge S4

[clever sapphire]

explosives during raid fights

but the buffed ones

it just straight up spawns an explosive instead of the mythic on assault

and if it goes off the raid dies

just so everyone gets some halondrus ptsd

oh wait that almost sounds like zskarn bombs

[storm forum]

@balmy condor who's your favorite bossing class rn?

[balmy condor]

in terms of fun, bucc, bowmaster, dual blade, wind archer, hero probably

[storm forum]

ty

[limber lion]

Council was literally the only place where you played it

The only encounter

Only scenario

[void mesa]

Im kinda glad my memory is bad and that it was indeed played there

Cuz the entire thing read "Only use in 4 target fight" and my brain was like

When do we ever have.. 4?

[vapid sierra]

the fuck are you doing for 240k on assault

oh shit

30 second kill

how that quick the hell

you guys all let bomb and beacon rip?

[balmy condor]

it's heroic

[void mesa]

Thats the cheese strat ye, kill on P1 H :p

[balmy condor]

no one has the dps for 1 phasing on mythic

[vapid sierra]

ahhh

thought it was mythic

i need to read what you write

[keen mantle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

sark is cursing my heroic logs

[quaint condor]

can someone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong on my rashok parses?

[next arch]

send log

[proper tapir]

https://wowanalyzer.com/ has decent support, i think it is just missing sepsis and multi target stuff

[quaint condor]

this is today's log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9kMGd67bYqKjQnmh/#fight=15&type=damage-done

im cilaas

[woeful meteor]

your running bone spike

thats wrong

[quaint condor]

yeah it's like ~1% worse than sepsis tho? iirc?

yes it's worse I get it

am I like, doing something wrong rotationally I suppose is my question specifically.
I have way better parses on every other boss

[woeful meteor]

Your Opener is wrong you snd 14 sec to late, shiv usage is wrong for running double shiv

[quaint condor]

it's only Rashok specifically I'm constantly "underperforming" on

[proper tapir]

Use buzzing runes, play sepsis, stop getting PI, get SnD up faster, get a freehold dice trinket to 441

[quaint condor]

lmfao was I missing runes?
sick

that's tilting

[vapid sierra]

progging rashok rn

i fucking love rogue

you see everyone dropping dead and your just chilling at like near max hp

[bronze pike]

i have a new sin talent for you all

cause ive seen horrible takes in HoW and i need to balance it out

[vapid sierra]

HoW?

[bronze pike]

hammer of wrath

ehem

[keen spruce]

[vapid sierra]

pally discord?

were they talking bout us?

[bronze pike]

capstone name: pocket sand

throw out a handful of toxic sand at your target stunning them for 4 seconds and increases the crit chance of your assassin abilities by 25% for 8 seconds. if the target is immune to stun, you do 50% crit damage for 8 seconds. cd: 8 mins. the idea is to pair it with esang

[bronze pike]

no, just general dumb takes

[woeful meteor]

That's shiv but on an 8 min CD

[bronze pike]

excuse u if anything thats between the eyes on a 8 min cd

[woeful meteor]

not better

[blazing jewel]

who let you cook this

[bronze pike]

replaces kingsbane

there we go

better?

[woeful meteor]

also why is there an outlaw ability in my holy sin channel

[vapid sierra]

was this their take on sin?

[blazing jewel]

dude didnt even put anything in the pan

just lit it on fire

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1116052347748110356.gif?size=96&quality=lossless i cook what i wabnt

[vapid sierra]

pallys smoking something

[bronze pike]

no, just general dumb takes so im being dumb here. so yall can share my pain

[blazing jewel]

poison boss

press sepsis

profit

[bronze pike]

now yoru thinkin

pocksand, esang, sepsis

[blazing jewel]

can we make pocksand a banned word in sin

[vapid sierra]

cd idea: summon the three godly spirits, cerv, oxi and whispyr to buff your nature, poision and bleed damage by 420% for 69 seconds

[blazing jewel]

what about when poison bomb procs there is a .69% chance to spawn oxis titanic ass to slam the mobs

[vapid sierra]

and oxi has a .69 percent chance to spawn whispyr

[woeful meteor]

Realz taking notes

[vapid sierra]

who has a .69 percent chance to spawn cev

[bronze pike]

im honored

[bronze pike]

tsk mod abuse

fine i heard yalls "feedback"

ehem

[spice spire]

Also oxi

[vapid sierra]

oxi is the first

[bronze pike]

capstone: poison brick

you hit your target with a poison brick dealing ( 400% + 400%) Nature damage instantly and an additional stuns your target for 5 seconds. but stops you from using finishers for the duration of the stun, 5 seconds if the target is immune to stuns. cd 30 seconds, generates 3 combo points

im a genius

im glad yall said pocketsand was bad, for my real stroke of genius to shien through

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1016065293728096467.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

i feel like u have questions

[spice spire]

I do

[bronze pike]

impossi8ble

[spice spire]

But I’m afraid of the answers

[bronze pike]

trhe talent is flawless

[spice spire]

I’m gonna keep it a buck

[bronze pike]

noballs

[blazing jewel]

quake just mad he cant hit ambush and pistol shot

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/708437388443123804.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

bro just invented internal bleeding kidney shot but made it a talent you wouldn't even take in pvp

impressive

I didn't know that you could take a trash talent and make it even worse

but here we are

[woeful meteor]

Did they nerf internal bleeding?

Cause that thing dealt insane dmg at least in SL

[balmy condor]

it does slightly more damage than an emp envenom not counting poison bomb

[bronze pike]

your just jelly that i cook goooood food

[woeful meteor]

Use Kidney for DPS on stunnable mobs

[bronze pike]

plus aesthetic

[gusty mirage]

okay seli

"it's good prio damage"

[bronze pike]

sicne its a brick you bash on your target and everyone knows aesthetic is bis

[balmy condor]

yeah if you take the talent, but you would need to take the talent

[gusty mirage]

is internal bleeding still part of venomous?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty mirage]

someone wake up seli

think of the insane prio damage

[idle inlet]

Wait were cooking?

Improved deathmark:
Deathmark no longer copies your bleeds and instead allows you to ignite stack bleeds on to current target during it's duration

[balmy condor]

using the term "improved" very loosely here

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpsterfire-flooding-fail-gif-13031064

[idle inlet]

Lol

I don't math

[balmy condor]

I think the best part about that

is once you get to like

less than 10 seconds left on deathmark

you wouldn't even want to cast the bleeds to begin with

so the best that you'd get is like vanish triple garrote at the start

and a rupture, and maybe another rupture if you're lucky

and then it would just be the same as normal

[blazing jewel]

vanish triple garrote

[idle inlet]

I didn't know how to word it but I meant that they would finish after dm ended

So you would just spam rupture garrote the whole time

And then stop when dm was over to not overwrite your super bleeds

[gusty mirage]

I doubt you'd spam garrote the whole time

because you'd overwrite the empowered garrotes

[balmy condor]

if they full overhang and ignite

you def would

[idle inlet]

Yeah that

[blazing jewel]

What do these words even mean

[balmy condor]

but now we're talking way too op

[gusty mirage]

how about this

[balmy condor]

pendelum has swung the other way

[gusty mirage]

improved deathmark:
"living up to the name, the 2min cd just kills the boss"

[idle inlet]

Yeah that's why I was confused about it being a dumpster dire

[blazing jewel]

deathmark now unalives the boss at the cost of 1 brain cell with every cast

[gusty mirage]

unlucky, not enough resources

[idle inlet]

Maybe if it no longer copies poison or did damage by itself. But then it doesn't really feel like the same spell anymore

I'm Still not doing math

[blazing jewel]

“You can’t cast that yet”

[balmy condor]

idk if we're going down the did damage by itself road, you could make deathmarks bleed deal a portion of all non-periodic damage done during the duration

would be scary for fok in aoe and stuff but you could probably just slap a limit on the icd of 5 instances or something

[idle inlet]

We would be better at funnel than sub ever was

[balmy condor]

yeh but single target damage is supposedly our thing

so it's thematic I guess

[idle inlet]

Oh it hurts I know only one class can be the best at st so it's okay that it's not us but damn it it's like our thing

[blazing jewel]

Ap instantly kills anything hit by shiv

[gusty mirage]

hopefully I'm first

[blazing jewel]

Better get in line buddy

[idle inlet]

Would exsang be viewed favorably if it was a 2 min cd... And also worked

[blazing jewel]

I thought most people didn’t like it because of the weird openers and setups required for it

Not actually pressing it

[balmy condor]

exsang either starves or flourishes depending on the damage profile of the spec, it's either crazy op, or useless

and just all around really janky

[idle inlet]

I only disliked it cuz it doesn't line up and feels bad to hold it and feels bad to send it without deathmark. But also I really like my big numbers being on the end of a very complex rube goldberg

[balmy condor]

if it were 2 minutes and worked it would compete with capstones again

[idle inlet]

Maybe also small nerf too then lol

[balmy condor]

would have to be 15% speed to be balanced with the talents around it

at 2 min

[idle inlet]

How about a CD that made it so our poisons were 100% application chance and we replaced ap with it

[balmy condor]

would just invalidate envenom during it

most of the poison applications you do are auto attacks

so you're basically just describing slice and dice lowkey

[idle inlet]

Wouldn't it make fok better?

[woeful meteor]

wild idea: Improved Deathmark:
Marks an enemy for death for 20 sec, increasing the damage your abilities and auto attacks deal to the target by 30%, and making the target visible to you even through concealments such as stealth and invisibility.

Generates 60 Energy over 3 sec.

[idle inlet]

Lol that sounds familiar

[woeful meteor]

Realistic Verson
Improved Deathmark: Deathmark is no longer on the gcd

eventhough that was also of limits on Beta iirc

[balmy condor]

sure, but I'm not sure how desirable a short term 30-40% poison application buff sounds

[blazing jewel]

But dm is interesting and that’s generic dps cd #8

[balmy condor]

for specifically fok damage

that doesn't seem great

idk if I would like improved poison v2 cooldown edition

but it sounds real boring

[woeful meteor]

While true I still liked vendetta more, the global on mark just feels wrong

and while more interresting design wise it doesnt change the gameplay from before press on target it takes more dmg now

[blazing jewel]

I’ve never pressed vendetta before so maybe I don’t get it

[ivory kernel]

do you guys macro bomb dispenser to anything

[woeful meteor]

no

[ivory kernel]

kk

[blazing jewel]

I’ll log on wrath classic and make a rogue

[woeful meteor]

its just nostalgia

DM is the objectively better cooldown from a design point and we have to see how future tier and talents will interact with it

rn the coolest thing with it is 5 cp garrote with shrouded

[idle inlet]

I think it's fine if you don't have double on use

[balmy condor]

no you can't do that, you have to triple down on vendetta being simply better

stop being self-aware

[woeful meteor]

Vendetta with Sepulcher Tier clears DM

[ivory kernel]

I run class trinket bomb typically in sin

[woeful meteor]

thats not nostalgia

thats the truth

[blazing jewel]

Papi please just make ap copy your bleeds on the cleaved targets id sell my body for that

[balmy condor]

you were on such a good roll

and then bro pulls out the most dogshit take

I've ever seen

[woeful meteor]

dw if the rogue changes come and exsang stays without getting fixed I'll find a way to make it competive or die tryin

probably the later

[blazing jewel]

He thinks exsang is staying

[balmy condor]

sepulcher tier vendetta was literally just DM but with all the jank of exsang

I don't know how anyone looks at it and thinks its good

[woeful meteor]

I liked the jank felt more engaging

[balmy condor]

the engaging part wasn't even vendetta it was flag!

[woeful meteor]

that's true, but if I say sepulcher was the best iteration of the spec I've played are you more happy?

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

no because I hated it

but that's a better opinion to have

[blazing jewel]

Sepulcher sub though

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

scana deadass started playing the game in sepulcher you can't convince me otherwise

[woeful meteor]

I'm just hoping 10.2 gives a tier that has impact on gameplay

idk even know what 2 set does rn

[gusty mirage]

no fucking shot

you just chef kissed

the sub tier set

[blazing jewel]

I started raiding in sanctum but started rogue in sepulcher

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[blazing jewel]

Dude

Hear me out

[gusty mirage]

nah fam

[blazing jewel]

I can explain

[woeful meteor]

5 Evis in a row procs

[gusty mirage]

no you can't

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

The tier set proccing

And landing on the super cp

And then doing it again

[gusty mirage]

bro someone wake up push

actually

[blazing jewel]

I don’t think I’ve ever been as bricked as that moment in my life

[gusty mirage]

someone wake up Rae

[woeful meteor]

He's just like me fr played rogue from the start tho

[gusty mirage]

Rae needs to see what his predecessor is saying

[blazing jewel]

I have never once played rogue

Where it was a burst class

I don’t know the feeling

So the good brain feeling of that tier set sometimes working

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to sleep after that one

hopefully forever

[blazing jewel]

No you can’t

[balmy condor]

bro actually just said sepulcher sub the best

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

because he's played dragonflight sub

which is objectively bad

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

and that's the only other version

he has ever played

[woeful meteor]

Who will be in OT on Monday btw to watch Ghost Gamings final push

[blazing jewel]

Dude the pv backstab crits

Lawd

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-spit-gif-20218743

[blazing jewel]

Some of those made me say sheesh you feel me

[balmy condor]

no, I don't

[woeful meteor]

Sl PV was so much better tho

imagine the 500k glooms in DF

[balmy condor]

I don't feel any sub rogue

that wants to backstab

[blazing jewel]

It’s 500k casts of gloom now

[balmy condor]

sub rogues wanting to press gloomblade and backstab on purpose

are actually sick in the head

[gusty mirage]

for sure

pushing backstab in dance

[blazing jewel]

Yea you right

[gusty mirage]

SHEEESH

[woeful meteor]

that was just a DF preview

[blazing jewel]

Now we press vanish in dance

[balmy condor]

pushing fan of knives in single target

SHEEEEEEESH

[gusty mirage]

I heard stories of a m+ rogue who did that

[blazing jewel]

Was it you

[gusty mirage]

yeah man you know me

I'm a big M+er

[balmy condor]

every day I get one step closer to understanding why arthas decided to plague a city

[woeful meteor]

fok in ST sounds like a zero type of optimization

[gusty mirage]

yeah it wasn't very cool, x

[woeful meteor]

[blazing jewel]

Can we get mad on Twitter

To demand another shiv buff

[gusty mirage]

you can post pictures of your asshole on twitter

[blazing jewel]

I want another 50% damage buff at least

[gusty mirage]

as long as I don't have to read it or hear about it

do what you want

[balmy condor]

why is it that when you talk, I wish you didn't

[blazing jewel]

L

[blazing jewel]

I got depression today when I realized that after the assault boss jumps away there is still 20s left of tier bonus

The classic 45s burst class

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Burst is a strong word

[dusk summit]

Hey opener question.
running sepsis, the second garrote overrites the first making it non empowered right? So why do we do it?

[deft flicker]

45s of higher elevation

[deft flicker]

You open with empowered Garrote, then extend it with Sepsis-empowered Garrote

[dusk summit]

ahh gotcha ty, WA shows the empowered one from stealth but nothing from sepsis

[balmy condor]

update your wa

I'm like

almost sure that you use luxthos

and downloaded it in dragonflight

and then didn't update it

🔮

[balmy condor]

dude that thing was sick

but like

it didn't have finger holes

which sort of defeated the whole point of using it for bowling

[runic hinge]

Wii bowling was goated

I could get my friends to come over any day of the week and we’d just smoke weed and bowl all night

[balmy condor]

I have regulars on wednesdays that do that

but irl

[dusk summit]

i may use that WA and i may not have touched it since launch....

[balmy condor]

see

I'm a prophet

I see all timelines

I'm on that doctor strange shit

[runic hinge]

A couple of my friends have now joined a candle pin bowling league but I don’t have week nights off and also candle pin is meh

[deft flicker]

Dr Whispyr von Strangeshit

[balmy condor]

candle pin

[runic hinge]

Wouldn’t catch me in there

[deft flicker]

Wanna hear something good??

[balmy condor]

not really

I like wallowing in my own sadness

[deft flicker]

:{

[balmy condor]

whats the good

[deft flicker]

I got the Shrek 2 opening song stuck in my head, found the official clip and it sounds great but looks cringe

https://youtu.be/vnBec1gpXSM

Here’s the song

[balmy condor]

unlucky I guess

[deft flicker]

https://youtu.be/Yn8CZyqfex8

Maybe this one??

[balmy condor]

yes sire

this that hippin hop

[deft flicker]

[balmy condor]

that the youngins talk about

[deft flicker]

I like how you’re same age as me but act as if you were 37 or smth

The song is a banger though

[balmy condor]

it is

[deft flicker]

Hmm, are all Shrek songs actually bangers??

I can’t remember a single bad one

[dusk summit]

Hey look its al fixed

[balmy condor]

wild

but yeh, happy sepsis-ing

without the confusion of wa's

[dusk summit]

Out side of the opener when is the best time to uses sepsis?

[balmy condor]

on cooldown

there's a big block just about sepsis in the faq if you haven't seen that

should explain everything

[dusk summit]

ill go check it out ty

[runic hinge]

Did 3 keys as sub today. Over it. So boring

[pseudo hamlet]

Tbh doing any 3 M+ keys the same day is also boring for me. No matter the spec

[grim jay]

feel you

cant get myself to do multiple keys the same day currently. I just spread my vault over the week

[sharp viper]

need some music recommendations for rashok progress tonight

eurobeat is nice but sin APM is too slow for that

[umbral rapids]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[red swift]

If I don't have another on use trinket, I should be good just macroing bomb dispenser to mutilate or something like that, right?

[winter gale]

Do you guys have any presumptions on when will next raid drop? Roughly ofc

[grim jay]

yes

[grim jay]

no, noone knows

[winter gale]

Autumn or winter

[red swift]

cool, just dropped it and wasn't sure, thanks!

[winter gale]

I have some plans during September and early October 😂😂

[woeful meteor]

there was a 2023 df roadmap from blizzard and 20.2 was on it you can check there

it was pretty accurate for this patch

[winter gale]

Winter it is!

Ty

[dark token]

point north

[jaunty dew]

So since we're holding vanish until 2nd DM is it possible to maintain imp garrote until 2nd sepsis?

[strange python]

I'd bet on September.

[blazing jewel]

You use it to refresh your imp garrote in pandemic during your 2nd dm

There isn’t a good spot for a high value vanish until 2:10ish

[jaunty dew]

I get that, but I always have a window of imp garrote falling off before 2nd sepsis.

I don't think I'm messing my opener/rotation

[blazing jewel]

That’s normal

You’re not meant to have 100% uptime on it

[jaunty dew]

Ah ok, thought I was missing something.

[exotic hazel]

Is Elemental Lariat worth recrafting up to 447?

[jaunty dew]

Only if you have full sockets on all gear

But even then I think boots + patch sim better

[sinful carbon]

sorry if this is asked a lot but when I use echoing repremand, am I playing to get into the blue? or just play normally and if i land in the blue I just send a finisher

[drifting cloud]

play normally

[sinful carbon]

cool, thanks 🙂

[blazing jewel]

You have a long time to hit them

Don’t force it

[sinful carbon]

Sounds good

because I was just doing some testing on the dummys and it's really inconsistent trying to get into the blue lol

[void mesa]

The 2cp one is always eluding me ;_;

How bad am I for hitting dumb buttons to hit 2cp dopamine? Like garrote (1cp) throwing knife (1cp)? Every muti when I need 2cp is a crit D:

[blazing jewel]

Not good to do

[void mesa]

So its better to say, time out a 2cp animacharged than to hit a bad gen to get it?

[blazing jewel]

It should be rare rare that you never land on it

If you think a few globals ahead it is pretty easy to game it into landing on 2

[rich pollen]

Recommend using ER right after dumping cps, more often then not lands on 2cp from pressing ER

Alternatively you can shiv prio target and if that crits it’s easy if not you garrote to refresh - not sure that’s better than just shives -> sending but 🤷‍♂️ in aoe you won’t hit 2cps often

Should be no shame shiving prio target this week bolstering

[void mesa]

I sadly am one of the cowards playing sub in M+ and mostly only play sin in raid 🙃

[balmy condor]

No

Lariat is terrible

[outer cairn]

@balmy condor miss you

[balmy condor]

Me too man

[outer cairn]

How you been

[balmy condor]

Busy mostly

[outer cairn]

So same old same

[fleet whale]

so those 10.1.5 assassin rogue changes look amazing..

[green bolt]

Hey man look, if they kept their word to rogues... locks would have felt neglected without ANOTHER rework

[vestal wren]

i am fairly certain that we get changes

someone posted the other day a (screenshot of a) post from the DH discord that did say that our dev had some irl events that did prevent him from working as actively on the game

[green bolt]

Yeah I mean, would be cool to hear anything, other than relying on a screenshot from another discord

[vestal wren]

thats something you need to ask from blizz

[minor gate]

idk if anyone plays dragon ball fighterz but warlocks are just the z broly of WOW

no matter how stronger they are, next week is another oppotunity to buff them

[frozen gorge]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[white orchid]

Wasn’t there another like 5% aura buff and some buffs to mut, envenom, and shiv coming in 10.1.5 I remember seeing

[balmy condor]

nop

nothing as of now

[white orchid]

Well i remember seeing that post before the 5% to all abilities buff we got within the month

[balmy condor]

I mean there was a post but that was just the aura buff we have on live

there's nothing for 10.1.5

[white orchid]

Oh was it? Bc I did remember a 20% buff to shiv in that blue post as well so I thought it was a separate thing unique to 10.1.5

[steel ridge]

that was ages ago on live

[clever sapphire]

thats a loooong time ago

[white orchid]

Yea I thought the post was for this coming patch lol my b

[clever sapphire]

nah this patch is only the outlaw thingy (not sure if the sub 5% buff hit yet)

[white orchid]

Pretty whack lol

[balmy condor]

yeh the shiv buff and stuff have been live for about a month

[white orchid]

Yea I’m dumb lol

[fleet whale]

i mean even if blizz decided to give us another 5% aura buff for 10.1.5

I would hardly find that to be satisfying

[runic hinge]

More shiv buffs please. We need ap stonks

[green bolt]

Oh yeah for sure, I jist think it's wild that the rogue pally mage patch ended up as pally mage lock, and not a single word about what happened to rogues

[pseudo nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce Thank god, we got Zskarn pre-nerf

He's legit a HARD boss.

[blazing jewel]

I think if he swapped places with magmorax that would have been a good difficulty spot

but having two patchwork dps checks back to back would be weird

[keen spruce]

we're actually pretty close

[gaunt moat]

We got it once we actually full swap dps to adds. that means even me chasing adds.

how close are you?

[blazing jewel]

chasing adds as sin

nonono

[gaunt moat]

Damage to adds:

[blazing jewel]

let me send you our reclear

my add damage went crazy

80% of that was a poison bomb proccing on one

[gaunt moat]

[woeful meteor]

did you 3 heal or was there 1 without a single global on them

[blazing jewel]

4 heal

hpal rdruid rsham and pres

[gaunt moat]

Close >:'(

[woeful meteor]

Healers are there to heal not to deal dmg

[blazing jewel]

is that for zskarn

[gaunt moat]

yes

you guys killed it almost a minute faster lol

[blazing jewel]

lmfao how was 116 rank 28

im shit at this game

my nelth parse

[woeful meteor]

how does no one play this game random scrrenshot and I know another person from that pic

[blazing jewel]

tilted me so hard

[gaunt moat]

because there's only 86 sin rogues that killed it

[blazing jewel]

this was nelth reclear

but check our 1% wipe

[woeful meteor]

pog

[keen spruce]

30% ish

[blazing jewel]

the 1% wipe

[keen spruce]

but like one more hard overlap and then we're kinda cookin

[blazing jewel]

like 5 pulls before

that boss is wack to parse on

weird timings and lots of boss going immune stuff

[woeful meteor]

Waiting for the day you stop the p1 dps hold

[blazing jewel]

on prog

we had a boomie sit bear

for almost all of p1

and we still hit check

[woeful meteor]

is corruption just hard timer based?

or based on adds breaking or something

[blazing jewel]

p1 you want to hold

to milk boss dam

p2 you will put the boss in 99% dr before you kill adds

[woeful meteor]

Ye I wonder how much you can actually speed that fight up to make it more enjoyable to parse

[blazing jewel]

best parse runs for that will be if there is an early death or if you are doing a carry lol

[woeful meteor]

CT play boss till enrage

[jovial verge]

After not having very good trinkets for a long I have gotten Nelth trinket, dice and beacon in a span of a reset

blessed

[blazing jewel]

I found out today

the proper shiv timing for sepsis

[woeful meteor]

did you just slam cd before?

[blazing jewel]

I held for sepsis

but didnt time it for sepsis end of dot boom boom

id like

sepsis garrote shiv

something like that

[gaunt moat]

@blazing jewel you are not alone 🥲
That's why I made my WA to help with it

[blazing jewel]

please send

[gaunt moat]

it's in the last pin

[blazing jewel]

bless you notter man

[woeful meteor]

Green is when to press shiv?=

[gaunt moat]

yes

[blazing jewel]

the sepsis wa tracker?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[blazing jewel]

holy

ill kiss your toes or something frfr

[gaunt moat]

i charge for that

[blazing jewel]

I was doing shit tier math

but that damage adds up over the fight

[balmy condor]

sepsis garrote shiv times it for the end of the dot

[keen spruce]

sep gar shiv

lands it on the boom

[balmy condor]

yeah

[blazing jewel]

isnt shiv 7s

[keen spruce]

8

[balmy condor]

shiv is 8

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

sepsis is 10

so sepsis -> gar is 9

[blazing jewel]

why am I actually smooth brain at this game

[gaunt moat]

alright magmarox time, any tips?

[balmy condor]

gar -> shiv is 8

[blazing jewel]

if you arent 100% when running the lava drop out

health pot or cloak

healers probably cant reach you

[balmy condor]

don't hero soak puddles

hero soaking puddles just means you're taking all the stacks and people won't learn to spread out the stacks

and then you'll be sitting at like 40 stacks

and die

[blazing jewel]

oh

if you dont have it already

[woeful meteor]

run the second you see small soaks coming and get the best one 😄

[blazing jewel]

get the wa that spams /say chat if you are soaking

[gaunt moat]

by "Hero soaking" you mean solo?

[balmy condor]

no like the big puddles

[blazing jewel]

makes it really easy to see if an assigned person is in it already

[balmy condor]

you drop them next to boss

and people won't move to them

it's 3 soaks

the one behind the boss will get soaked insta

and people will be assigned for the left and right

but they won't move for it

because they're too busy turreting damage

if you go to your assigned puddle and soak it forever

you're just gonna get all the stacks they should've gotten

and die

[gaunt moat]

I think i need to get some pulls on the boss to understand better what you said.
But once we're done in 30 minuts, i'll read this again

[keen spruce]

notter + warlock + boomkin soak puddle #2

but walock and boomkin not gonna mvoe cuz they're boomkin and warlock

and they're terrorists

so notter go soak 2

get's 100000 stacks and dies

[balmy condor]

And it’ll cause 15 enrage wipes

Because “why you dying so early notter”

And then notter will go on a joker arc and soak to 7 stacks and go “I’m at 7 can’t soak anymore”

And then walk out of it

And then he’ll know

[shut owl]

lol... sounds like my wife and I on H zskarn farm when we just abruptly stopped doing traps/bomb soaks after letting everyone else parse for weeks

"why are the melee running around like mad in the replay?"
"wait why did we die now that the melee has uptime?"

gl notter ❤️

[gaunt moat]

feint works for soaking big pulls?

[woeful meteor]

psure it does

[elder jasper]

has anyone had issues with the auto tricks macro/weakaura not working?

[blazing jewel]

big puddles dont hurt that bad

highly recommend feinting small soaks

or the group soak towards the end of the fight

[gaunt moat]

got it, thanks

[blazing jewel]

also I think magmorax is hard capped at 5:40ish so you can hold dm for vanish

super small impact but not really any harm in doing it I guess

[gaunt moat]

better - hold DM for pot

[blazing jewel]

would be cutting it close to getting full tier set value

[balmy condor]

holding for pot is correct

[sweet dawn]

Me: spends 2 weeks without annulet because it simmed lower than my current rings
resims today
"Annulet is 2k dps increase in ST and AOE"

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-the-frog-sad-crying-gif-16026853

[blazing jewel]

[gaunt moat]

Alright we're done, had only a few pulls, but got to 36%, this boss seems really easy, unless something major changes after that point.
let's see what you wrote now that i know what the mechanics are

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean by "running the lava"?

[blazing jewel]

when you get the lava drop circle

and you run it to the edge of the room

[gaunt moat]

ah

[woeful meteor]

hps check get's pretty hard at the end but thats about it

[gaunt moat]

I seem to take a ton of damage right after knocback, why's that?

[blazing jewel]

healers cant heal and are running back

[gaunt moat]

But it's like a one hit and my health drops

i think that's when you gotta feint, for knockback

[blazing jewel]

probably for the later ones yea

[austere fulcrum]

yo guys, ı wanted to ask before simming. What did u craft as 4th item ?

ring, off hand, neck ?

[tacit otter]

the ones that sims best

ring as far as i remembered in my case

[teal iris]

ring will almost always sim higher since it comes with a free socket I guess, unless you have 2x 441+socket already

[austere fulcrum]

ı have 2x 441 socket )

ı was thinking off hand or another random 447 item ideally waist

gonna sim

[balmy condor]

I went dagger -> toxic patch -> boots -> ring

next is gonna be neck for me probably

[winged quail]

Next is belt cuz they don’t exist haven’t seen a heroic ilvl belt all season

[woeful meteor]

Slimy -> Belt with Patch -> Head -> Ring -> Toxic Thorn -> next is bracer with my current gear

[keen spruce]

dagger-boots-patch-boots

[balmy condor]

mainhand ilvl check mr tamaran

[woeful meteor]

M+ Vault Check

[balmy condor]

empty

real gamers don't need m+ vaults

I don't like hand-outs

[woeful meteor]

447 first vault and got Kazzara M on first kill

[balmy condor]

oh pog

[woeful meteor]

so my weapon prio for craft was kinda low early

have 447 UR as well if I play rly cringe spec at some point

[gusty mirage]

how many bitches tho

I bet its all the bitches

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

I've been known to be a bitch

and he's got me

that's 1 bitch

[woeful meteor]

[blazing jewel]

lf bitch

[woeful meteor]

We can share whispyr he's gonna love our takes on sofo rogue specs

[earnest remnant]

look in the mirror

[blazing jewel]

[peak bobcat]

[gaunt moat]

oh that wasn't really an issue for us so far. we did wipe to missing a small soak or puddle too close to boss.
But i tihnk 30 more minutes and we could have killed him.
now we gotta wait for wendsday

[balmy condor]

good good

usually guilds have issue with dps tunnel vision on magmorax

[gaunt moat]

After Zskarn... there's like no mechanics on magmarox

1. Soak puddle
2. shadowstep knockback
   that's the whole boss

[spice surge]

Yep

Its a classic boss

[woeful meteor]

only thing it misses is the tail swipe

[gaunt moat]

true

[blazing jewel]

it was clearly overtuned on ptr

but that was a better fight

with a couple issues that could have been fixed but they must have ran out of time

[woeful meteor]

ye played pretty cringe, but had more potential

[snow oasis]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce watching max's undercover raidleader video, when suddenly

[blazing jewel]

[gaunt moat]

shmeeps stream sniper confrimed

[blazing jewel]

liquid shmeep

[opaque moth]

I wish IC made our next garrote act as if it came from stealth ;_;

[tall atlas]

Still on Rashok atm

Guild is kinda trailing behind

[keen spruce]

That was the group that argued about food i think

[tall atlas]

Also shmeep u crazy

[keen spruce]

for like 30 minutes

[abstract jacinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wFcC2traHRvv8U1YhhokqQ this seems a little wild, running droptimizer and it's saying a head piece is a dps increase over 4 set? that can't be right, right?

[blazing jewel]

your head isnt tier

[abstract jacinth]

oh god i'm blind

[blazing jewel]

[abstract jacinth]

we'll just pretend this didn't happen lmao

thanks

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-shit-gif-10340128

[tall atlas]

Are you the red rogue

Or an imposter

[abstract jacinth]

def an imposter, mostly because I don't even know who that is

[tall atlas]

Wow

[abstract jacinth]

I've disappointed again, as is my custom

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce touching tips with max

[keen spruce]

I was on the other platform so longs and details were scuffed

but that boss damage tho

[gaunt moat]

should have asked to get a trial in liquid

[vapid sierra]

Wsg

[abstract jacinth]

warsong gulch?

[vapid sierra]

Don’t know what that is

I’m assuming it’s a song?

Is it a banger

[abstract jacinth]

yo it's one of the better ones

[gusty mirage]

don't compliment shmeeps

kid's more fried than a bucket of kfc

[solid mica]

[blazing jewel]

wheres your stream buddy guy

I want to see this action

[midnight spire]

I am getting like 10% up time on nelth trinket in raids... is that normal?

[balmy condor]

yep

[cerulean nest]

do we know how augmentation buffs will affect us?

compared to other classes

[balmy condor]

they most likely won't

[cerulean nest]

in what sense

[midnight spire]

it was definetly like 20%+ few weeks ago

[balmy condor]

in the sense that your augmentation evoker won't be in melee

you're not receiving any buffs

they target the nearest players

and the nearest will be warlocks, mages, evokers

[cerulean nest]

what if I force him to stand in melee

[balmy condor]

then he's trolling

from what it seems

it's pretty cut and dry

melee gets no buffs

none of the effects can be simmed as of now

and we don't know how logs will reflect anything augmentation does

[ebon notch]

I thought they were working on making all the damage increases be shown under the augmentation evokers damage or healing

[balmy condor]

I mean they might be

but that relies on blizzard implementing all that

and how are you counting cdr

[gaunt moat]

Some of it seems impossible to quantify, like CDR

[oak sky]

its mostly the cdr tbh

i bet vers and main stat are pretty doable

[soft shale]

cdr might be a dungeon thing mostly or smth

because the balls that you drop and people can get

wonder if they have an icd on pick up or smth otherwise some classes could get

super dripped

[somber hill]

!beacon

!trinket

beacon beforer deathmark?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[somber hill]

ty sir

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

[slow tulip]

i like playing assa even more aфter the 5% buff

feels stronK in ST

[brazen zodiac]

right back @ u x2

[lunar trench]

I have stupid question, Is there any talent sets that utilise 4 set with crimson Tempest for single Target

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

Rip. Chromatic sims bis with upgrade track

[lunar trench]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[vocal oracle]

what upgrade track?

[strange python]

Upgrade raid items to 447

With new patch

[vocal oracle]

ahh,gotcha, well that's good
..I got mine this week

[grim jay]

On mythic hopefully

[strange python]

Fuck dealing with that shit though. Commit dice

[misty holly]

It's a passive trinket? What is there to dislike.

[strange python]

Syncing all the buffs

[misty holly]

Just pick Obsidian, no one else seems to like that and it's almost as good as azure for us.

Then you never have to switch

sin one of the lucky specs where all secondary stats are good. The difference between our worst stat and our best isn't that big.

[strange python]

I mean it requires having whoever's in on each boss sync up properly

And there's swaps between bosses

Dice and nelth is within 200 DPS

[uneven summit]

thank god

[normal otter]

Did exsang got fixed?

[gaunt moat]

It's Deathmark actually that needs to be fixed.
And no

[ebon cloud]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dense cedar]

Should I be using rupture at 2 or 3 cp?

[limber lion]

Neither

Always 5-6

[hollow swift]

Is it worth to have lowered cd on sprint at experiments mythic? Cause I think It does but I might be wrong

[tall atlas]

Unless it’s ER then do it on the little@blue yummies

[arctic current]

When's the best time to feint on rashok? Also does dropping cheat death help at all on this fight?

Feel like I've just got nothing left by the time I reach 2nd intermission

[main blaze]

All day feints on rashok if your healers need it

[gusty mirage]

I would not drop cheat on rashok

Sometimes you need it to live intermission

But feint the leaps and the group soak

You can also cloak the group soaks, which you’ll def want to cloak the 2nd group soak after the conduit explodes

Because it clears the dot

[restive falcon]

When 10.1.7 drops will we still want bomb/beacon or will we want bomb/class trinket or /beacon/class trinket

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

is there something significant happening in 10.1.7?

[woeful meteor]

The deleayed rogue rework that's gonna fix all our problems without creating any now ones... surely

[restive falcon]

Doesn’t the class trink get upgraded to 447 from heroic?

[woeful meteor]

and the mythic one is 457 anyway?

[gusty mirage]

that's coming in 10.1.5

[restive falcon]

Err my bad I meant 10.1.5

Dunno why I said .7

[gusty mirage]

but you'd still want bomb > class trinket = beacon >= dice

[restive falcon]

Alright was just curious

[strange python]

Chromatic essence outsims em all for me. Except bomb

At 447

[gusty mirage]

I forgot about essence

cause even with all buffs

its worse for me

[strange python]

Weird

[gusty mirage]

toss essence in there too

[strange python]

Maybe a stat weights thing

[gusty mirage]

so bomb > class trinket = beacon = essence w/ all buffs = 447 dice

[strange python]

My mastery is p low

[gusty mirage]

as a general guideline

when you look at it

our trinket options are pretty fucking bad

lmao

[strange python]

Sim had me change all gems and enchants to mastery

[gusty mirage]

I have a metric fuck ton of crit and mastery

[strange python]

2k vers gamer

[small warren]

what % of haste is recommend for assa? (im sub)

[strange python]

Sim

[gusty mirage]

above 0%

[spice surge]

You can play with 0% haste, its not literally unplayable

Just sim and find out

[jovial verge]

Is the reason that rogue sucks so bad on Sark largely down to the haste buff being more or less useless?

[spice surge]

The haste buff isnt nearly worth the loss of uptime yes

[jovial verge]

only done it on HC but compared to the rest of the fights it just seems so miserable not sure if that's just because I have read so much about how bad it is that I am now manifesting it in game :p

[spice surge]

All 3 rogue specs have fairly low burst and is mostly consistant dmg, assa has a little bit of burst but nothing compared to other specs

[jovial verge]

That makes sense

lack of haste usuage combined with loss of consistent uptime = bad news

[lavish hazel]

@limber lion ? ? ? ?

[limber lion]

[ancient laurel]

Does an ambush proc consume the sepsis stealth ability?

[gusty mirage]

have you tried getting a beacon and critting with it cev?

[gusty mirage]

no, they fixed that thankfully

you can ambush safely now

[ancient laurel]

Thanks, gonna try it

[gusty mirage]

just don't spam the button like I did and waste a sepsis proc

[ancient laurel]

Ill try my best 😂

[gusty mirage]

also make sure you don't do it on the pull that you kill sark on

cause that'd just be awkward

[ripe relic]

Beacon is a fun nuke. If I'm not mistaken it also scales with vers but not worth taking the stat in my opinion. Haste is much better

I have so many gems now. My lariat Sims higher than toxic patch

[ancient laurel]

Talking about beacon, is it really the best Option After Dispenser? 437 beacon sims worse than 441 dice

[limber lion]

Man I don't even have a bomb dispenser, let alone a beacon. I keep hearing tales of the all-mythical and amazing Beacon, but I've never seen one drop

honestly sounds like fun

highrolling 🕺

[lavish hazel]

ill trade u bomb

if i have it

and guildies dont need

[limber lion]

Nice

[lavish hazel]

but ye prio guildies

[limber lion]

Gl

[lavish hazel]

gl m8

[gusty mirage]

until you don't crit it 8 pulls in a row

and want to cry

[lavish hazel]

wait

Ceve

i didnt have WF totem

pogggg

[limber lion]

I'm already malding out of my mind with Call to Suffering

One proc and it's after both dm and tier set ends

🕺

[gusty mirage]

I love that for you

if only every nelth trinket worked like the warlock one

hear me out

what if we tied it to our major CD

how cool would that be

[limber lion]

:O

Sheesh

Imagine the dopamine

[gusty mirage]

imagine having a useful trinket

[lavish hazel]

no bomb

rip

[clever kindle]

im at 4.something k and my sim still tells me to use vers

I tried big gem sims, howling rune etc. Though I imagine slimy has something to do with it

[green juniper]

I checked the pinned messages month later still no news about assa changes

[gusty mirage]

weird

must've missed the 5% aura buff from 3 weeks ago then

[sweet dawn]

ngl the promised rogue changes are like 99% scrapped or postponed for 10.2 (copium)

[idle inlet]

Oh don't say scrapped that makes me sad

[gusty mirage]

it's that time of the month

where people come in and speculate

I think my favorite part is, rogue got changes but it wasn't the changes people were hoping for

so they're angy

[balmy condor]

I think they’re removing rogue from the game, that’s why they gave smoke bomb to demon hunters in legion, and now mages get greater invis

Think about it

It makes sense

[gusty mirage]

is this the wow equivalent of dobby getting a sock? are we free?

[balmy condor]

Put on the tinfoil

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/доббисвободен-добби-harry-potter-dobby-the-elf-freedom-gif-16615829

[trail tree]

i already prepared myself to saying that the changes they would give us are completely useless

[inner temple]

i mean everyone got hyped up for a rework that noone ever actually said was coming

[balmy condor]

We all play warlock now

[trail tree]

we can dream

[gusty mirage]

exactly

[balmy condor]

Except blizzard said as much

But

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

well the post that everyone's malding about was extremely vague

[inner temple]

hey sir, there are shaman enjoyers out here too

[balmy condor]

Oh it was vague for sure

But it said changes

[inner temple]

+1% damage is big change!

[trail tree]

it said changes in the same vein as hpala and they got aanother rework

[balmy condor]

And it’s very easy to infer what changes could and most likely will happen

Exsang, the point gates, 3 point nodes, taking some of the dps out of the class tree

It’s not speculation

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

It’s just how it’s going

3 point nodes have been getting removed

Exsang is gonna be gone let’s be real

We’re the only class with 3-4-3 point gates

Our class tree is uncharacteristically dps heavy

[inner temple]

i know they had said 3pt's were there by design to prevent shenanigans, hopefully that changes, and agreed i dont think anyone actually likes exsang but i doubt its "gone", prob just rework it too. not sure how they address class tree without an entire shift because the whole thing is practically dps gains lol

[balmy condor]

Putting kb and dtb on the same node fixed the entire reason for 3 point nodes to begin with. And like yeah maybe exsang gets a rework but I doubt they’re going to go the janky half baked snapshotting nightmare route that it is now so might as well call it gone tbh. They address class tree the same way they would any other class tree, more utility and movement, less damage

You could legit cut out every dps node except seal fate, tea, dance, improved ambush, and ER

And it wouldnt affect gameplay

[trail tree]

replace ER with flag and im a happy camper

[balmy condor]

That would legit bring our dps rows from 4 to 2

[inner temple]

yeah that fair, and if that gives me burst of speed back, im ok with this lol

[balmy condor]

It won’t

[inner temple]

i know, but i can dream

[strange python]

Wait have you flipped back around on this?

Given the wording of the post, the changes made to the others mentioned, and previous statements acknowledging that sub and sin trees have problems, it seems obvious to me some bigger changes were intended. Whether scrapped or delayed, tbd?

[hallow token]

I am bad at detecting shitposts? You're not serious, are you?

[balmy condor]

Of course not

[hallow token]

ok, thank you. i was about to have a moment of doom. /hits vanish /lurks

[vestal wren]

[inner temple]

evil

lil bloodsac

[vestal wren]

i think this is a valid point given the latest bugs tho

[runic hinge]

I’m looking forward to a rework but this is the most fun I’ve had playing wow in years so it’s whatever to me

[agile osprey]

I haven't checked the discord in a few weeks, is the rest of our spec broken yet?

[vestal wren]

pins explain everything

[arctic venture]

Irideus Fragment still over sim?

ah yeah,

checked the pin.

damn.

[deep magnet]

Hi irideus is useless in ST ?

[blazing jewel]

It’s not great

[balmy condor]

not gud

[deep magnet]

Sad 😦 with exang i like the burst on pull ><

[balmy condor]

exsang sucks too

[deep magnet]

Better is harlan's loaded dice or Ominous Chromatic Essence ? last question ^^

[balmy condor]

they both about the same

if you have a full group with all the buffs for essence, essence is probably a bit better

[deep magnet]

thank you 😉

[balmy condor]

np

[arctic venture]

xo Harlans it will be better.

[balmy condor]