assassination

[ebon notch]

they fully remove the 2 rng traps

thats what makes the nerfs so big

because you just have less traps to deal with

[gaunt moat]

If it's really just 2 near traps now + nerf to elimination protocol
that's equal to saying "This boss was a failure, just move a long"

[vapid sierra]

how much do you guys open for on boss with lust?

[karmic patrol]

Hello Im new in this discord. I really need help with Assassin rogue. I have a lot of questions about this spec and Im not sure which guide or person to follow. I usually run +12 - 15 mythics but Im usually tied or below tank in dps and overall damage.

[keen spruce]

like 170k-200k if beacon crits

i mean really depends on when you're checkin the number

[karmic patrol]

What's a good opener? I usually do Stealth, Indiscriminate Carnage (assuming it's not on cooldown), then Garrote, Rupture, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Fan of Knives once or twice then Crimson tempest. I try to rinse and repeat this best I can. Is this good or bad?

[balmy condor]

it's okay

there's openers in the faq

[karmic patrol]

oh

[balmy condor]

assassination AoE is a bit messy

conceptually you're trying to keep up enough ruptures and garrotes for energy, maintain crimson tempest, and then pound away with envenoms for poison bomb, or continue spamming crimson tempest

[karmic patrol]

I read the FAQ opener and it's pretty confusing >< I always do triple Garrotes if my Indiscrimiate Carnage is on cd. But im not sure what the FAQ is talking about with Exsanguinate. Which is a skill I honestly have no idea how to properly use. That and Im not sure when to properly drop slice+dice. I never use Ambush, not sure if thats bad or not

[vapid sierra]

ignore exsang

its dead

its bugged and bad now

[balmy condor]

yeh that's just if you're talented

dw bout it

[vapid sierra]

progging rashok rn

this shit fun

[karmic patrol]

okies Ill ignore Exsang. I also typically try my best to follow this but dang I do so little damage. Im 419 ilevel but DK's, warriors, hunters below that blow me out of the water in damage

[balmy condor]

yeah

they do aoe

assassination doesn't

that's expected

especially if you don't have tier

[karmic patrol]

But Indescrimiate Carnage is good AOE right? Improved Garrote with that applies to 8 mobs

with Rupture

[balmy condor]

419 ilevel makes me suspicious

[balmy condor]

it's a bandaid on a bullet wound

[karmic patrol]

I dont follow

[balmy condor]

you can't slap a decent aoe cooldown on dogshit baseline aoe

and pretend like it's all fine

[karmic patrol]

ah

also yeee my ilevel is low. It's hard for me to get accepted to anything higher than +15

[balmy condor]

garrote and rupture don't have enough strength behind them to make IC really strong

[karmic patrol]

dang

[balmy condor]

so most of the time it's just CT spam or envenom spam and hope for poison bomb procs

with tier

and neither one of those is really that appealing

[karmic patrol]

what's ct?

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest

[karmic patrol]

ah

So after a full opening rotation I usually do Echoeing Reprimand and spam either Envenom or CT. Is that optimal?

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[vapid sierra]

yeah

[karmic patrol]

Then Vanish (if I have it) to reapply Garrote

[balmy condor]

as long as you have the energy to sustain that

[vapid sierra]

yes

might be worth holding for some bosses

[vapid sierra]

maintain ct, ct if there are more than 6/7 targets or if the targets arent grouped

if theyre grouped and its below 6/7 spam envenom

or just envonem if you want to prio something down

[balmy condor]

well

with tier

[vapid sierra]

does it cahnge?

[balmy condor]

without tier pb kinda dookie

[karmic patrol]

I dunno what tier means 😦

[balmy condor]

like the tier set

from the raid

[karmic patrol]

oh I havent done any raids yet. Only mythics

[balmy condor]

yeh

doesn't help

[karmic patrol]

Mind if I post my talents? See if there's something I should change?

[balmy condor]

sure

probably just gonna refer you back to the faq :P

[balmy condor]

but we can talk about why some things are bad etc

oh

yeah that's the recommended stuff

just swap exsang for master assassin

cause of the bug

[karmic patrol]

I copied this from wowhead

[balmy condor]

and you're good to go

[vapid sierra]

oh they dont have tier?

didnt see

[karmic patrol]

okies

[balmy condor]

yeah that guy knows whats up

[vapid sierra]

wowhead guy writer likes to microwave chicken nuggets

[balmy condor]

I heard he's also like 6'8 and super cute

[vapid sierra]

do not trust

use faq instead

are you actually 6'8?

[runic hinge]

I heard this too

[vapid sierra]

no shot

[balmy condor]

does it destroy the lore in your head if I'm not

[karmic patrol]

So the FAQ mentions using Ambush. I never use this skill

[runic hinge]

Two separate measurements

[vapid sierra]

so mutilate can proc a free ambush

[balmy condor]

yeah and you don't have blindside talented so you don't need to

it's a talent that forces you to press it

[vapid sierra]

yes it does

[balmy condor]

oh

[vapid sierra]

entirely

[balmy condor]

I'm only 6'1 sadly

[karmic patrol]

Should I get that talent?

[balmy condor]

no

your talents are fine

[karmic patrol]

okies

[balmy condor]

it's mostly a raid thing

[vapid sierra]

so much fucking raid damage on rashok holy

[balmy condor]

yeh but you feint all of it

[vapid sierra]

actually about to start macroing feint

[balmy condor]

so healer diff I guess

[balmy condor]

MACROING?

brother

[vapid sierra]

gonna put that shit on mutilate

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

[balmy condor]

you're cooked

[karmic patrol]

Would you guys recommend the mod Hekili? I installed it today because people told me to get it to improve my dps. But I feel like the mod doesnt look at timings for things like death mark, slice and dice, Echoing Reprimand, CT

[balmy condor]

hekili is dogshit

uninstall posthaste

[karmic patrol]

ah

okie dokes

[balmy condor]

I've seen more people gain damage from uninstalling hekili than I have seen people gaining damage

its crazy how bad that thing is

[karmic patrol]

Speaking of Feint, when's a good time to use it? I only click on panic if Im taking damage

same with Evasion

[balmy condor]

evasion is super niche and used to cheese very specific mechanics

[karmic patrol]

and CLoak

lol

[balmy condor]

feint you gotta know when the big aoe hits are coming in

same with cloak

if you don't know mechanics you can't really defensive them

just a knowledge thing

[karmic patrol]

ah gotcha gotcha makes sense

[balmy condor]

generally big magic hit -> cloak it

big aoe hit -> feint it

[vapid sierra]

i actually did make a shiv+feint macro for expiremnts because i had to pop it in opener everytime for expirements and clicking feint was fucking with my head

[balmy condor]

and if you don't know what to evasion you just kinda dont

[tall atlas]

Or just don’t stand in it and let the rest of@your raid do it

[balmy condor]

cause it's used like maybe twice a week at best

[vapid sierra]

hekili only somewhat bleh for super scripted specs like fury

apart that its bad

it tells you what to click but not why

[balmy condor]

on rashok you just feint every jump idk why it's so bad

[vapid sierra]

and half the time the way to click isnt actually the 100% right thing to do

[karmic patrol]

yeeee thats why I dont like it

[vapid sierra]

my feint keybind needs to change

its unappealing to hit

i have it on control+back mouse button

[balmy condor]

don't tell me

I don't

fuck

why

[tall atlas]

I use v

[balmy condor]

that's so stupid

[vapid sierra]

v is sespsi

[tall atlas]

Good old v

[karmic patrol]

I also have zero macros set up. I've never used them and I know thats bad lol. Is there a guide here for some useful ones?

[tall atlas]

Q is sepi

For me

[vapid sierra]

q is echoing

[balmy condor]

ain't really any useful ones

[vapid sierra]

dm+potion

[balmy condor]

I don't use any macros

[vapid sierra]

but apart that not really

[balmy condor]

well dm potion sure

[tall atlas]

Even for bomb dispenser?

[karmic patrol]

dm?

[vapid sierra]

death mark

[tall atlas]

You crazy man

[vapid sierra]

for raid

[karmic patrol]

ah

[balmy condor]

keybound

[tall atlas]

Every 10 seconds?

Just put it on muti you savage

[balmy condor]

it's a 30 second cooldown

why would I need it every 10 seconds

[vapid sierra]

we love it when the boss parrys your mutilate 3 times in a row

[karmic patrol]

dang guys....I dont wanna sound like a downer but it looks like there's not a lot I can do to improve dps besides getting gear. But thats hard b/c I get declined from most mythic groups

[vapid sierra]

run your own key

[balmy condor]

welcome to world of warcraft solo player edition

[vapid sierra]

run with the guild

[karmic patrol]

okies

[balmy condor]

if you don't have a guild or friends

it's a rough time out there doing group content

[vapid sierra]

i solo it

rogue is tank and healer

[balmy condor]

also please tell me how I'm supposed to beacon on sark like that

[karmic patrol]

What about Fan of Knives? I tend to spam it for Crits to build combos/spread poisons. Good or bad?

[vapid sierra]

for aoe?

its how you build cp

[karmic patrol]

not spam...but like I click it a bit

[balmy condor]

it's your generator

[tall atlas]

Have 2 mutis

[vapid sierra]

you guys macro beacon?!?

[balmy condor]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[tall atlas]

HahahHhHhhHhHhHahahahahaha

[woeful meteor]

you talk about not macroing as weird when doing that

[tall atlas]

I have 2 shadow strikes on my bar on sun one 1 and 2

[vapid sierra]

i have 1 muti on my mouse button

[balmy condor]

bro

[tall atlas]

1 is no bomba

[vapid sierra]

it gets the jkob done

[balmy condor]

no no no

ovid

nah

[tall atlas]

2 is bomb which is always my builder

[balmy condor]

nah brother

[tall atlas]

So I hit one

[balmy condor]

I'm boutta butter your biscuit for that one

[tall atlas]

Bacon

Then go

[balmy condor]

that's just a keybind for a trinket

with extra steps

[tall atlas]

Listen man it works

[balmy condor]

yeah

it works

[tall atlas]

I don’t have anything useful on one anyway

[balmy condor]

cause you just created a keybind for a trinket

[tall atlas]

So I just put it there

Yeah but you have a key bind for a trinket too?

[balmy condor]

yes

I have a keybind for both trinket slots

[tall atlas]

I just need to press the non bomb once

And then it’s boom boom

[balmy condor]

because I'm not deranged

[tall atlas]

Listen

You know that’s not true for a start

You crazy bastard

[balmy condor]

[tall atlas]

And two

[vapid sierra]

how do you build with 2

what finger do you use

[tall atlas]

By pressing it?!?!?’bbbn

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

does it like not limit your mobility?

[tall atlas]

I dunno whichever one isn’t up my ass

Soz

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-upside-down-gif-20241919

[tall atlas]

Okay so

[balmy condor]

if I open a log of your ovid

will I see you just strike -> cast beacon -> cancel beacon

over and over

[tall atlas]

I mean I dunno

My logs are poop this tier go wild

[vapid sierra]

oi mine too

[tall atlas]

I was world 21 magmorax normal

So that’s my claim to fame

[woeful meteor]

I build on 2 aswell and it feels fine, also you really dont need to move much if you move correctly from the start for most bosses

[vapid sierra]

world 54 echo normal

thats mine

[tall atlas]

Get rekked

[vapid sierra]

fair enough

[tall atlas]

21<54

[vapid sierra]

shit world 72 now

it dropped

54 at time of logging

[tall atlas]

Whis is quiet

He’s 100% in my logs

[vapid sierra]

i parsed a 100 ilvl parse on heroic mag on fire mage

i was 404

did a whopping 56k

[tall atlas]

You were prob the only one lol

[vapid sierra]

world 75

idk where that pi came from

[gusty mirage]

smh

filthy external enjoyer

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

i need to figure out why my damage is so inconsistent

[balmy condor]

didi you not macro your beacon

[vapid sierra]

why would you macro beacon?

whatr do you gain from macroing it

[gusty mirage]

so you can use it mid-gcd

wdym

[balmy condor]

because that's what ovid said he does

one strike for slot 1

[gusty mirage]

(I'm joking)

[balmy condor]

one strike for slot 2

[vapid sierra]

i was about to say

what is this secret tech i dont knwo about

[balmy condor]

but this looks like just a regular keybind with no strike

[tall atlas]

The is this me

[balmy condor]

that is you yes

[gusty mirage]

[tall atlas]

Wtf you creep I knew it

[balmy condor]

the delay on this is suspicious too

if it were macro'd it would be lined up more

[gusty mirage]

isn't anvil off the gcd?

[balmy condor]

yeh but if he's macroing it

[gusty mirage]

why the gap

[balmy condor]

it should send same time

[gusty mirage]

[tall atlas]

It is macrod so dunno why that’s like@that

MYbe just bad game is bad but god knows

If you look at my Rashok prog

[vapid sierra]

people play anvil?

rogues*

[gusty mirage]

yes

anvil p gud

[tall atlas]

When they don’t have bomb or bacon ye

I fucking love being a rogue this conversation has made my day

[vapid sierra]

im gonna go be a world 5 lfr parcer

make me feel better about myself

https://tenor.com/view/joy-roblox-woo-sturdy-noob-gif-26212988

[karmic patrol]

Whats anvil?

[vapid sierra]

a trinket

[karmic patrol]

Ah

[tall atlas]

From amalgamation

It’s good but bacon and bomb is better

[vapid sierra]

i love bacon

[tall atlas]

It’s good until you get them tho

[vapid sierra]

i was running whelp+puzzlebox for a while

it was cancer

[tall atlas]

Id have rerolled tbh

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

exsang was like 2% better than sepsis too

[tall atlas]

I didn’t get grieftorch till my last kill of raz last patch so

[vapid sierra]

i got it like week 2 of vaulkt

that thing was so broken

it would be like 10% of my damage on prog

[tall atlas]

Gonna try and get some decent parses in this patch see if I can get into a good guild next teir but I need to stop clowning in my guilds hc runs

[vapid sierra]

that was my last teir loll

now im trying to get good parces in a mythic guild so i can move onto a guild that gets ce early tier and not late

[tall atlas]

The dream

I don’t mind my shit guild tbh it’s so fun

And the longer we take the longer I have something to do

[vapid sierra]

i play with a casual aotc guild ocasionally

and so does a juicer fire mage

and last tier we went in towards the end on their heroic reclear and fucking juiced the damaged meters

he opened for like 400k on council

[tall atlas]

Whis get out my logs

[vapid sierra]

i finished at like 165k

on outlaw

[keen spruce]

[verbal bluff]

Is this where I get free V-bucks?

[verbal bluff]

what thta?

[tall atlas]

Ikr

[keen spruce]

raz dropped a grieftorch?

[gusty mirage]

interesting you farmed rasz for grieftorch

considering it dropped off brood

[keen spruce]

[verbal bluff]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[verbal bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/br4uh-gif-24710037

[tall atlas]

Wait I meant Fucking

The windy tornado looking one

Spiteful storm

[karmic patrol]

What're the assassin rogue stat prio for mythics? Ivy Veins says: Crit, Mas, Vers, Haste while Wowhead says Crit, Mas, Has, Vers. Or does it not make a difference?

[gusty mirage]

general guideline to follow when gearing:
Agility > Crit > Mastery >= Haste => Vers

so ilvl ends up beating all on non-jewelry

and at high enough gear levels the last 3 are interchangable

[karmic patrol]

ah

ty

[gusty mirage]

Highly recommend when you start getting more gear to download the SimulationCraft addon and using https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear to sim what the best gear set-up is

the robot will make gearing choices easier

[verbal bluff]

subs or dubs for the wow anim?
e

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-warcraft-gnome-epic-battle-gif-21758580

[storm forum]

Is there a WoW anime?

[verbal bluff]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/24/21399597/world-of-warcraft-afterlives-blizzard-animated-series

I have disected the trailer to many time ;-;

I know the HEX codes of every pixle ;-;

[storm forum]

Didn't those end up not being a full series? Just a few short videos

I recommend the Korean dub

[verbal bluff]

dono I just fantasize about it

potential wasted

[storm forum]

"Potential wasted" - everything

[thin scroll]

Warcraft movie

[vapid sierra]

watched it years ago

before ie ven played

even

[thin scroll]

If it was about Arthas and it was very gritty, it would have been amazing

[snow kindle]

why is the sin wowhead all over the place.

[balmy condor]

idk

what's all over the place about it

it's still got exsang but the rest should be fine

[snow kindle]

https://prnt.sc/xATRly_Sq5S3

Thats under ST rotation

The IC and exsang

[balmy condor]

ah the classic rotation tool

[snow kindle]

little bit thrown off by the races too since it says NE/BE but disc says tauren/dwarf

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate that thing

race is completely meaningless

[woeful meteor]

But 400 dps

[balmy condor]

I just put most played so people would leave me alone tbh

[snow kindle]

👍

is this spec energy starved and need pooling?

[balmy condor]

yes starved, no pooling

[snow kindle]

i want to play it but having to refarm crit/mast gear is unfortunate

Boss dmg looks good since statistically 5th on WCL

[balmy condor]

whatever you have now is fine

I'll see about how to simplify the rotation tool, the code on the backend is basically unusable for complicated stuff and the way it's written atm just means there's like 200 lines for builds that aren't quite optimal anymore

but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

no promises

cause any touching I do to that thing is probably gonna be a full rewrite angle

and that's a fuck ton of time to spend when we're waiting for a rework with baited breath

[karmic patrol]

I find that energy isnt too bad. Like it's bad but I wouldnt say starved. I think what stalls our DPS (at least for me) is our unforgiveable cooldowns. Vanish, deathmark, indicrim Carnage. Like whyyyyy

[balmy condor]

well you're also doing m+

different beast a bit

assassination by design is energy capped in aoe

[karmic patrol]

ah

oh OH! I just realized you're the one who writes the rogue wowhead guide! Very cool!

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

He’s also a qt

[glacial bough]

for aoe do i spend on evenom or ct?

[gaunt moat]

The most general answer:
If targets spread / CT about to expire - CT
If targets stacked, envenom (hoping for poison bomb)

[karmic patrol]

Does Rupture drop poison bomb or is it only Envenom?

[gaunt moat]

only envenom

[plain jewel]

Im gonna craft a titanic insight ring. I know crit/mast are the good stats, but sims showing me crit/haste is better. is it just my gear or is crit/haste fine

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gpyEyWaJnY6egrASgtoFGo

[keen spruce]

crit haste fine

if you play other specs

crit mast maybe better

[gaunt moat]

and i bet if you enchant with haste / gem with haste
you'll get a different result

[somber sparrow]

is there diminishing value on mastery

like after a certain % better to go other stats or something

[keen spruce]

there diminishing value on all secondaries

but there's no specific breakpoint

and it's only diminishing relative to other stats

kind of

[spice spire]

Kind of is right

[keen spruce]

but like, even if you go 0%haste and just stack full crit mast you'll be fine

[spice spire]

Their value does diminish at a certain point, but really all that matters is the value they bring compared to others.

Anyway, robot smart

[keen spruce]

trust robit

[gaunt moat]

Now that Zskarn is getting nerfed, i'll actually be sad if we won't get him down tomorrow

[deft flicker]

This is the kind of questions simc was designed for. You let a robot play your character on its own testing thing and it tells you which combination of gear yields the highest results

[thin scroll]

my sim for rings showed haste/mastery, but maybe its because I have 5k crit?

[balmy condor]

haste good

[thin scroll]

I hope I wont replace that ring soon

[balmy condor]

[thin scroll]

well, since I started gearing for sub first, haste good almost non existant in my build haha

I suppose having more haste on gear means having a more 'smooth' rotation with extra energy to spend

[balmy condor]

You’ll never notice the difference

But if thinking that helps you sleep at night

Then yeah

Sounds good to me

[thin scroll]

I will spend all raid night looking at my energy bar

[balmy condor]

I promise you still won’t be able to tell

10% haste adds roughly 1.3 casts a minute

[thin scroll]

Specially after I die to avoidable aoe cause I'm looking at my energy bar

[balmy condor]

If you can tell the difference between 58 beats per minute

And 59

You should become a drummer

And play for a philharmonic

Cause like

[thin scroll]

Im a Pianist, does that count

[balmy condor]

Kinda?

[thin scroll]

I will sleep happy tonight then

[balmy condor]

I study music in university and I’m not that accurate in my time keeping

Skill issue perhaps

[thin scroll]

We all have lies we tell to ourselves to sleep at night. That will be one of mine (noticing) together with "I could have CE if I had a raid team as good as me"

[balmy condor]

TRUE

[gusty mirage]

why complicate it

just lie to yourself that you could be happy if you achieved your next goal

covers all bases in all aspects of life

[thin scroll]

I have no goals

[blazing jewel]

Lie to me sweet cheeks

[gusty mirage]

your parents love you

[blazing jewel]

[brazen zodiac]

oxi 💃

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-gif-23325548

[deft flicker]

That doesn’t work somehow

But it could’ve been a nice cheese strat

[sharp viper]

that's too complicated: "I could be happy" should suffice

[somber sparrow]

There's a song i learned in the past where the left hand is playing regular sixteenth notes, but the right hand is playing sextuplets... confuses my brain haha

[balmy condor]

Hand independency is really tough in general tbh

[somber sparrow]

yeah, two eighth notes in one hand a triplet in the other is ok for me, but more than that is pretty difficult

looks like i will just be passing on all future heroic loot in my guild lol.

[balmy condor]

Welcome to my world

We clear heroic every week

And we don’t see sark cloaks

[somber sparrow]

i was just happy to get one in LFR ... like all 25 people rolled on it

[keen spruce]

we cleared mythic eggnog yesterday after our heroic reclear for the last time

the nerf annoucement came out like 5 min after we got the ring for our pally

[sonic schooner]

We clear heroic sarka everyweek, we see cloak everyweek, but spoiler : never for the rogue yet

[primal jolt]

just craft the sporecloak :^)

[winged veldt]

Bruh I have still yet to see a bomb drop in any tier period lol! Literally the worst luck 😂

[pseudo hamlet]

We had 2 bombs drops, but the RL decided to gave them to the hunters... who are still using Harlan Dice and Ominous Chromatic Essence

[shut lotus]

Had one drop and RL gave it to the tank 😉

[deep totem]

I got our first cloak along with bomb and beacon 😄

[royal lantern]

i mean, its the same dmg for most Specs?

[shut lotus]

i know sadly 🥲

[bitter cargo]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pure moth]

Your guild just free roll? Lol.

[cunning nest]

Dps trinkets for tanks first is a thing in my guild, too, and its really annoying.
Sadly thats not even a dumb decision when you think about it and kinda just the new meta; so dont blame your RL.

But I miss good "old" time, where tanks had defensive trinkets as meta picks

[shut lotus]

as I said I’m not mad, just sad I didn‘t get the trinket 😛

[idle inlet]

My guild hasn't seen one drop yet 😦

But at least almost everyone else has it from their vault

[woeful wigeon]

is exsang fixed now ?

faq says 22 june update wowhead no info about it

[spice surge]

What makes you think something changed since 2 days ago if there has been no posts about it

[woeful wigeon]

in FAQ

[spice surge]

What, that just says he updated the FAQ to include the fact that exsang is dead

[woeful wigeon]

weird way to says it tbh XD

[idle inlet]

Not really it says exsang deadge. Also if you then read the FAQ the faq now says exsang deadge

[old jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[elfin kernel]

Rework when 😭

[idle inlet]

Probably next season but maybe in the .1.7 update

It's okay though we're good enough for now and our time will come

[cunning nest]

Yeah everything is fine! Just wanted to let you know that I feel you

[vapid sierra]

Why would rl give to a tank

[cunning nest]

Is the question why the Tank got it or why RL was the one who decided it?

[pure moth]

it was more that a tank got a dps trinket over a dps getting it.

[deep totem]

Loot council 😛

[tawny bloom]

idk men we could surely do better as a pure ST spec. if we wouldnt sac so much st for aoe in m+ i wouldnt even mind. But its either this or that for us. So surely it would be better giving as some more ST strenght

[grim jay]

which is fine

[chilly rock]

annulet is still bis until the 11th right? is the crafted ring going to be the preferred replacement?

[sonic zinc]

yes

or nelth lair ring?

crit + whatever stat ring > annulet in 1.5

[chilly rock]

nice, thank you

[sonic zinc]

i actually havent paid much attention to sin itemization, but i imagine its roughly the same idea as sub/outlaw (but haste being more valuable than vers)

[vestal wren]

you can replace annulet even now if you have good gear

stats are usually a mix of crit/mastery/haste

[sonic zinc]

how bad does sin feel with 0 haste

[silk bane]

its fine. u wont notic it.

[vestal wren]

we don't have insane haste levels like in laste bfa with corruption

so don't think you would notice a diffrence

[sonic zinc]

aight

any major changes since s1? i havent touched sin at all this season

[vestal wren]

exsang isn't played anymore

sepsis is played

but you can read about it in the faq or pins

[sonic zinc]

where do u beacon in opener

[tacit otter]

... -> rupture -> beacon -> sepsis -> ...

[idle inlet]

Depending on gear level annulet gets replaced with stat ring so sim yourself

[eager solstice]

Saying that you don’t feel the difference between 0 and let’s say 12% is cap

You feel it and at 0 you feel more energy starved

[sweet dawn]

Hell I feel energy starved without venom rush

It's so sad

[spice surge]

Get 15% more haste so you can cast 2 more mutilates per minute

Never feel starved again

[void mesa]

This almost sounds like a marketing scheme

Where's my 0% haste gang at

[fleet whale]

would 15% more haste even give you two more mutilates? lol

[glossy lagoon]

after the opener i am unsure of what to do. Can anyone help me?

[deep totem]

I agree, I had 0 and it felt horrible. switched up a couple pieces and it feels much better

[blazing jewel]

Which part are you confused about

And are you talking about st

[grim jay]

yeah, energy SURGING in basically

[glossy lagoon]

@blazing jewel yep just st, i know that i will keep uptime of shiv garrot rupture and snd at all time. I am just confuse what is my goal after hte opener. Is it to wait for sepsis and deathmark to come back in order to pump and in the meantime i just mut and envenom

also should i vanish garrot? and how to use ambush becauyse i have to be in stealth to use it

[blazing jewel]

Basically to be as energy efficient as you can and not sending a dry shiv with no energy

And to hold shivs for sepsis/dm

Like if sepsis has 30s of cd left and you have no shivs just start holding for then

You hold vanish for the second deathmark

And then 2nd vanish gets slightly complicated based on timing

How exactly are you using sepsis that’s a common mistake people make

[glossy lagoon]

sepsis and deathmark always goes together like coldblood and secret?

[blazing jewel]

Nononono

[glossy lagoon]

honestly i have yet to do any dungeon and raid, just hitting dummy!

[storm onyx]

No, Sepsis is excluded from DM

So no need to bake them

[blazing jewel]

The reason sepsis is good

Is for extended improved garrote uptime

Not because it pairs well for dm

[glossy lagoon]

oh

[blazing jewel]

You basically always send sepsis on cd

[glossy lagoon]

do you always do sepsis garrot?

[blazing jewel]

Yea

So you do the opener right and you have a while in improved garrote

Then once those fully run out you refresh with a normal one

Your goal is at 1:30 to press sepsis garrote and shiv

[glossy lagoon]

that the 2nd sepsis right?

[void mesa]

Yup

[blazing jewel]

And then when that sepsis buff runs out and you get another free stealth cast

You hold that buff as long as you can to refresh garrote

[glossy lagoon]

hold what buff?

[blazing jewel]

Because those garrotes will last long enough to be in the start of your second dm

The sepsis stealth cast buff

When sepsis runs out you have 10s of a buff that lets you cast a stealth ability

Same buff as when you cast it

[glossy lagoon]

does that only occur with the 2nd sepsis?

im using the first one and it uses it immediate after i use garrot

[blazing jewel]

Well the first one is different because you have the garrote from stealth already in the opener

[void mesa]

Sepsis - 10s during the bleed where you can cast a free stealth
After that 10s, you get a different buff for 10s that lets you cast another stealth ability

[glossy lagoon]

ohh i see i see

[blazing jewel]

So you mostly just pandemic it the best you can

But what I said earlier about the first vanish being around 2:05-2:10

The garrotes from your second sepsis

Should last into your 2nd deathmark

And then when they are in pandemic range get to no cp and send a vanish garrote

[glossy lagoon]

ok let me see, let me try to sum it up

[void mesa]

Related but slightly off topic, yes/no to doing Vanish - Ambush - Imp Garrote?

[glossy lagoon]

does mutilate take up the stealth cast buff?

[blazing jewel]

No

You can cast ambush but shouldn’t with the sepsis buff

[void mesa]

Make sure you have muti on your stealth bar 🙃

[blazing jewel]

But if you have a blindside proc it will use blindside first and not the sepsis buff

[glossy lagoon]

ok ok, better improving we doing more dmaange now

so sepsis is basically like dance of sub?

you can use any stealth ability you want

[void mesa]

Kinda? Stealth bar pops up, but unlike Dance you only have 1 use at a time

[blazing jewel]

I’m 99% sure you just want to send 1 garrote from vanish so the other globals are whatever you want

Not fully up to date on that but I’m fairly confident

[void mesa]

Reasoning was that well, since were likely to go Imp Garrote - Muti - Spender, why not use Ambush instead? Not fully sure what the potential loss would be (outside slipping and missing the 3s window)

[blazing jewel]

It would be pretty easy to plan for

Just don’t know the exact gain so I’m not going to be like yes do this

@gusty mirage help

[void mesa]

[gusty mirage]

hi

why am I being tagged

[void mesa]

Fair enough^^ Still a scrub sin so just spitballing stuff out

[gusty mirage]

someone give me a tldr

I'm not reading 50 messages

[blazing jewel]

First vanish in st

[proper tapir]

Sure you can do that, this topic comes up every once in a while. The only time I'd advise against that is during DM with SS talented, since in that case: van - Gar - finish - Gar - Finish is the play

[void mesa]

For or against - Vanish - Ambush - Garrote

[blazing jewel]

Is it correct to ambush garrote finish

[gusty mirage]

define correct

[blazing jewel]

Biggest wiener

Most dps

[gusty mirage]

fantastic question

[blazing jewel]

I thought double garrote was dead

[glossy lagoon]

do you want to send both of your shiv within the sepsis timing?

[void mesa]

Also confused by the double garrote part but open to learn

[gusty mirage]

here's a spin on the question

is this going to be during deathmark?

[blazing jewel]

Would be for the second dm

So first vanish

[gusty mirage]

if it comes down to that, mutilate is 2 attacks in 1 global (mh and oh)

[void mesa]

It should be? Since we always line van and dm

[gusty mirage]

double the chance for poison applications

during a cd that doubles your poisons

the double garrote thing

is just an old habit that's hard to kill for a lot of people

[void mesa]

Does that mean muti has prio over ambush during DM..?

[gusty mirage]

ideally you just want to pandemic your garrote as much as possible (gar x gar guarantees that)

or even (gar gar x)

I won't give you any concrete answers regarding this cause tbh I haven't simmed any of this shit

but just a few things to consider

mutilate > ambush in regard to poison applications

and realistically I wouldn't be able to give you any real answers beyond that unless I sim it

[void mesa]

Very interesting

Thanks alot for the input!

[gusty mirage]

❤️

I'll probably take a whirl at it sometime today, cause it is a very fair question

ambush does do a good amount of damage

[blazing jewel]

If anything it would likely be very minimal + or - just hit your garrote timing and you’re golden

[gusty mirage]

• it gets benefit from shiv and the 4pc because of vicious venoms

[void mesa]

I always assumed ambush >>> muti since proc and all

[gusty mirage]

tldr: too many small moving parts to give you a concrete answer

[sour wraith]

Bs proc yea but a natural ambush is a whole different story

[void mesa]

But i guess its not that much, mainly energy spent is the pros of ambush with blindside?

[blazing jewel]

Tf is vicious venoms

[gusty mirage]

???

do you not read your talents?

[blazing jewel]

You think I read at all

[gusty mirage]

hello?

lmao

keep on floridaing florida man

[blazing jewel]

Dog I listen to what the people smarter than me say to do

And I do it lmfao

[void mesa]

Copy past talent trees, no reading

Hell yeah

[cerulean nest]

I've never once crafted a theory and I'm a happier person for it

[drifting cloud]

lol no

[gusty mirage]

slovenian education system fails you

[blazing jewel]

Oxi

Do you know how long I played sub and didn’t know that generators have a ton more crit

In the talent tree

[gusty mirage]

you know how people overcomplicate openers?

all the pulls on sark

I did a dif order of the opener

[proper tapir]

During DM imp Gar gives 5 cp if you're talented into SS, so it is better than a single Mut unless you're playing kingsbane

[gusty mirage]

and guess what the result was

nothing changed

[drifting cloud]

prepull beacon so whispyr hates u

[gusty mirage]

im ok ty

I'd prefer to never play beacon again

[grim jay]

I always like it if we have similarities

[drifting cloud]

shouldnt be hard to get nelth trinket

[grim jay]

[drifting cloud]

then mythic beacon everyone else can get

[vestal wren]

nice minigame to pass some time ^^

[blazing jewel]

I mean the question was if you would ambush first and then garrote later not if you mut

[proper tapir]

The difference is small since it's just like one drop in the ocean, but getting another finisher off is what I'd personally recommend so Gar finish Gar during DM

[lean kite]

Is there a trinket sim that’s still up

[gusty mirage]

if its not bomb dispenser, neltharion trinket, beacon, anvil, or dice

it's probably dogshit

there ya go

[lean kite]

Irideus?

[limber lion]

Is it on the list Oxi went through?

Nope thus dogshit

[lean kite]

It’s on fuus simulation sheet

As BiS

[gray crest]

the amount of people who dont read pins...

[lean kite]

Shrug

I just read faqs bro

[shut lotus]

Are there any povs of mythic raid assassin rogues you can recommend to learn?

[gray crest]

endwyr

[gusty mirage]

betrayed by one of my own

smh

this is why no one likes feds

[blazing jewel]

oxi an opp

[limber lion]

Yeah that's not right. His bis sim uses bomb + nelth, the sheet is just outdated

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-get-it-dont-get-it-dont-understand-gif-12907762

[gusty mirage]

ofc I am

I'm a lawyer

a fed's worst nightmare

imma use the 5th amendment to slap my nuts on roujin's face

[spice spire]

Jealous

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray crest]

My worst nightmare is something bitting me in the ass when I got to take a shit, so I guess thats the same thing as a lawyer

[teal iris]

[gusty mirage]

this is the kind of person the US Federal Government hires btw

[strange python]

Wanna be scared?

They hired me too

[gusty mirage]

yeah but @gray crest a bitch

[spice spire]

I will not accept roujin slander in this holy assassination topic

You’ll hear from my lawyer soon mister oxi

[gray crest]

oxi is your lawyer

[spice spire]

Fuck

[gusty mirage]

you can sign a consent waiver to allow me to still represent you in the matter

although I recommend you take it to another lawyer to review

[spice spire]

Consent to this pal

[gusty mirage]

sorry can't sleep with clients

[void mesa]

Is that a law? 😮

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[void mesa]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

can't have sexual relations with a client, unless the relationship preceeded the professional relationship

[void mesa]

There really is a law for everything

Ohwait

Can it preceed and continue throughout legal procedures/professional relationship?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

as long as it happened before you got hired as their lawyer

it's a-okay

[void mesa]

So... you could sleep with them and use that to get the job

[gusty mirage]

yeah but quake looks like he smells like cheese

I aint touchin that

[void mesa]

Valid

[spice spire]

Ur a bitch

[gusty mirage]

mad cause cheddar smelling

[spice spire]

And I bet you don’t even know bird law

[blazing jewel]

fuck

[proper tapir]

Nah, quite the opposite really

[quartz kraken]

asking for a friend of course: if you pay gold for an full Aberrus boost and the raid falls apart mid raid and the lead does refund the gold partly, does blizzard intervene or is it an grey area blizzard tolerates but doesnt interfere with?

[idle inlet]

How does a boosted raid fall apart?

[woeful meteor]

Boosting Communities are banned Guild Boosting is allowed

If you get scammed while getting boosted Blizz wont care

[quartz kraken]

Clarification: its a guild group for the most part

[teal iris]

if you made an agreement with a guild group ingame chat i think blizz might do something

hard to say

[woeful meteor]

Then why would blizz care

[quartz kraken]

yea i mean, we havent started yet. but ive seen things in 14 years of playing wow

[teal iris]

[woeful meteor]

they dont care about all boosting in EU being run by communities either

[teal iris]

true

everyone advertising as guild or private group and its all advertisers from communities

[quartz kraken]

i just see it this way: offical chat for selling services, they advertise x for y gold

[teal iris]

tbf service chat was made with crafting in mind i think

[quartz kraken]

no idea

[balmy condor]

They won’t care

[tepid lichen]

They’ll laugh at you

[grim jay]

they'll print out a screenshot of your character, pin it to the wall in their meeting room and laugh at you every day they meet up in the next 7 days

[brazen zodiac]

f

[idle inlet]

How much does sophic devotion rng affect our damage?

[vapid sierra]

They laugh at you

Worth a try tho

You never know

[balmy condor]

sophic laughs?

I'm not entirely sure how to quantify that though tbh

the difference between enchants and no enchants is 3.5%

so lik

I guess that's the average to 0 procs

you could technically also use a 95% confidence level

and compare the two

so like without enchants your 95% confidence interval is around 12.5%

and with enchants it goes to 12.7%

could also look at min/mean/max, accounting for the 3.5%

actually don't think that works

scratch that

[clever sapphire]

i was already tired, and now i read this and im still not sure what i read

[blazing jewel]

Start laughing now

[shell osprey]

I'm sure it's been said, but man blizzard really giving us the cold shoulder after promising stuff

[balmy condor]

rogue dev had to take time off after his dad died idk

[shell osprey]

Oh. OK. That's fair

[balmy condor]

it's still in the works

probably set back to 10.2

[shell osprey]

I can't complain then, that is very unfortunate

[balmy condor]

rogue ain't that bad

[shut owl]

anyone just been running raid build for keys? been seeing it crop up in m+ leaderboards

[shell osprey]

Nah it's not, new stuff is fun though

[balmy condor]

every day we stray further from gods light

[blazing jewel]

[shut owl]

I mean... my sims are telling me to do unholy things, so yeah

[shell osprey]

I uh, have been guilty of tail build in keys

Raid*

[balmy condor]

your sims aren't telling you to run solo dtb in keys

[blazing jewel]

But think of the prio damage

[shut owl]

they aren't; but they are telling me to run msepsis for bolstering/tyrannical

[shell osprey]

For my group in 20+ tyrannical it helps honestly

[shut owl]

yeah; I'm looking at 20+

this week just not seeing a ton of mongo aoe with bolster anyways

[shell osprey]

In dungeons like NL and VP

[shut owl]

outside of kamikaze on freehold first pull

[balmy condor]

I assume this is like some janky 3 min 1 boss sim?

[vocal barn]

do we have a good cleave build? or is it just either AOE or ST with sins tree?

[limber lion]

Sims tell you to run it on bolstering/tyrannical? Where's the option to sim different affixes?

[shut owl]

negative; standard dslice/patchwerk nobuff sims

[limber lion]

So uhh

[balmy condor]

cleave would be DTB/AP, it's not great though

[limber lion]

Nevermind Whispyr will handle it

[balmy condor]

nah brother

I ain't touching that

[limber lion]

Too many demons

[shut owl]

the difference of the dslice overall is about 200dps... so negligible; but the difference of the boss damage is 2k, so maybe less negligible this week specifically

[shell osprey]

So if your running with friends and they agree it can honestly help, pugs will get mad

My difference on bosses is obviously high, and in low pack size dungeons it's kinda worth it on tyrannical week

[shut owl]

might give it a go tonight and then bin it for the rest of the season hopefully XD

[shell osprey]

You could also argue just play sub or modified sub tree but I'm stubborn and sin is still more fun to me

[shut owl]

I'm specifically looking to sin leaderboard chase

so "just play sub" is antithetical to my goal of play

idc about overall io

[shell osprey]

Well it's possible for sure

I'm kinda same way but my motivation to push past 21's is low lately

I rather play other classes, it's fun to mix it up

[lucid harness]

So uh

I just switched back to rogue .. havent played it since legion lol.
Is it normal that i can apply 4 poisons to my weapons? lmao

[balmy condor]

that's dragon tempered blades

capstone talent

[lucid harness]

Coooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Seems like assasination is the only thing ressembling kinda combat of old.. Im switching off of DH and sub seems too complex for my dh brain

[balmy condor]

assassination is nothing like old combat

[lucid harness]

I just mean build dots build spend

[balmy condor]

how old are we talking here

it's been almost 15 years since combat had dots

[lucid harness]

old

very old

looks like my achieves are from wotlk. so about that

lmao

[balmy condor]

yeh

imcomparably long ago I guess

[lucid harness]

hahahaha

quit cata -> didnt play mop (RIP)

came back legion as DH

tired of being bottom of barrel this xpac so im trying to find a replacement ;p

[balmy condor]

you didn't swim very far up from the bottom

[shell osprey]

if you wanna be epic dps in raid be evoker, if you wanna be epic dps in m+ be shadow

[balmy condor]

bro's playing a class with a required raid debuff, a raid defensive, an aoe stun, and a ranged interrupt

and said "I wanna play rogue"

[lucid harness]

Yeah its fun and all

I love my DH

im just tired of being bottom

[shell osprey]

DH is getting buffed on tuesday

no idea how impactful they are

[balmy condor]

you won't be tired of being bottom if you're on the bench I guess that's kinda real

[void mesa]

Lmao

[lucid harness]

yeah with the eggnog + annulet nerf the 15% buff is about 1-2%

lmfao i guess yeah

[void mesa]

Whispyr why you so real with him, he just wants to enjoy the poisons and bleeds and all

[balmy condor]

and you think other classes aren't getting that same treatment?

[lucid harness]

I mean the man speaks the truth

[balmy condor]

annulet and eggnog nerf just affects dh?

[lucid harness]

never said that brother you ok fam

[void mesa]

Here in Sin disc, we doom'n'gloom 🙂

[blazing jewel]

No doom

Only memes and shit posting

[shell osprey]

what is eggnog, im missing that lingo...

[balmy condor]

I just don't understand the argument

[clever sapphire]

tbf its only because of your ST, but if the tank pulls big its just gloom and doom moment with the raid build. I did it at the beginning where boss dmg mattered a ton for us because we were kinda shit. But i dont think its ever gonna be worth to go full ST build for a whole dungeon

[balmy condor]

the ring off eranog from last tier

[void mesa]

Eranog ring from S1

[shell osprey]

oh, duh

didnt see they nerfed it, interesting

[lucid harness]

yeah its fire damage + dh damage is a lot of fire

[balmy condor]

[void mesa]

And it procs off of fire dmg, so it all loops back

[balmy condor]

nah you know what

you're right

my bad

[lucid harness]

The issue is that the buff is coming on the tail end of a nerf. So while most classes get a compensation buff to stay in the same place, we will also stay in the same place at the bottom of the barrel

so the buff technically does nothing to remove us from bottom on boss damage

Anyways youve managed to convince me not to play rogue, if that was your objective! lmao. Cheers.

[clever sapphire]

dont play assa if you wanna climb the dps meters

play sub

[blazing jewel]

I’m going to write a toxic sin rogue forum post

And tag murlock in it

[clever sapphire]

yeeess

pog

[idle inlet]

Except on st then assa good

[clever sapphire]

well yep

[balmy condor]

I'm pogging out

[shell osprey]

[balmy condor]

assassination in first place baby

alphabetically

[shell osprey]

so we win by default, nice!

[gusty mirage]

a class that has all of that which is getting another giga buff

[limber lion]

photoshopped image smh...

[pale plank]

is there anywhere i can find the loot table for dawn of the infinite? i tried googling and i couldnt find any thing besides the trink

nvm found it

[clever sapphire]

i can already see someone pulling up this image after the 9% outlaw buffs and complain why it was needed

[balmy condor]

it's compensation for ghostly strike though

[clever sapphire]

ik

[shut owl]

yeah; just finished a brackenhide in a raid + CT build... felt really weird, but my overall was close enough to my usuals and boss damage was notable. not a huge fan lol

[clever sapphire]

but people who complain dont think why its 9%

they see number, they go doom and gloom

[clever sapphire]

i prefer my AP/IC/CB over raidbuild in M+, imma choose aoe over boss dmg if i have to decide. Though im just usually not running keys on tyra weeks 🤣

(no worries whispyr, im running the faq build)

[shut owl]

IRL has prevented me from doing fort week pushing so my io is shit lol

[clever sapphire]

i wasnt really playing the last 2 weeks, and i did like 4 keys before realising its tyra

[shut owl]

hopefully next week I can finally get a fort world tour 😛

[clever sapphire]

most of my keys are 18s, fort i have 20s and so on but tyra week im pretty sure my highest is a 20 untimed vortex that i did like 4 weeks ago

i just have a downright hate against tyra week somehow

[balmy condor]

idc what people play as long as they can justify their choices

at the end of the day, damage is like

one of the least important factors

to pushing m+

[shut owl]

agreed

[clever sapphire]

this explaind your innate hate against me not taking iron wire

[jade abyss]

we play still exsang ?

[clever sapphire]

nope

[balmy condor]

no

[shut owl]

not taking IW feelsbad :/

[brazen zodiac]

hahaha

[void mesa]

Exsang deadge, rejoice

[balmy condor]

my whole thing is like sims are a tool, if you decide to come to a different decision than the sims because you think X situation requires something else, okay fine. We can agree or disagree about the importance of that choice, but you made an effort to think about what you're doing and why you're doing it, and using the sims as a tool to inform yourself. That's good, great stuff

but if you're just simming and then going "number higher see? Sim says number higher!"

then it's WWE steel chair from the top ropes

[clever sapphire]

i mean i cant even explain why i didnt take it, i dont think i even realised i didnt have it skilled till you pointed it out

because i usually just copy pasted the faq/pinned build without questioning it

[blazing jewel]

brb making random green number sims so I can get slammed with a chair

[balmy condor]

yeah that happens

idk

half the stuff about AP IC is like "okay but why would you play this"

and it's like "more aoe smile my overall goes up :D"

and we already went in circles about this in season 1

[clever sapphire]

i kinda ignored it in S1 and only recently saw the build

it just felt good to have some form of aoe even when IC was on cooldown

[balmy condor]

ye

[clever sapphire]

but the boss dmg part hurt me badly so i havent touched the build since

[void mesa]

I thought AoE was for the other specs

[balmy condor]

I had it in the FaQ in season 1 because fun big aoe

and then people are like "yo this is terrible boss damage and prio it's just aoe pad why did you put it in the faq if you don't even recommend it that's stupid"

and I'm like yeah okay you're kinda right

remove it for season 2

month later

WOW AP IC AOE

the circle of life

[clever sapphire]

to me it was the fact that ER wasnt taken xD

[balmy condor]

yeh the shiv buff and some other random changes like tier and stuff was def underestimated

[clever sapphire]

i mean you could have left it in faq with a notice that boss dmg sucks and its only for aoe if, and put it in like a red text or something so people cant complain

[balmy condor]

that's on me

[balmy condor]

I did

[clever sapphire]

oh

[balmy condor]

that's actually what I did

in bold

all caps

[clever sapphire]

well you know the assa rogue channel, if there is nothing to complain about, we turn off the monitor

because if i dont see something, i can complain about it

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr posting the ap/ic build

[void mesa]

I remember reading AP and being like

Damn, this was made for Council

Then its not played on Council 🙃

[balmy condor]

it was

[clever sapphire]

huh

[void mesa]

Oh it was?

[clever sapphire]

that was the only place you played it

[void mesa]

Damn, guess I looked at the wrong place or I was too dumb back then

[blazing jewel]

sin rogue on council

[void mesa]

But yeah, talent literally read "specifically made for council" to me

[blazing jewel]

The hardest prog fight of the tier

[void mesa]

I remember playing sin on council and trying to play decent, getting a medium parse

Then mashing random keys on sub and doing 40% more dmg

[balmy condor]

my beloved

[blazing jewel]

Explain the 10

[void mesa]

I think my best fight from T29 was Sennarth and i have no idea why

[balmy condor]

that was the day I hid my UI and played first person mode for immersion

[void mesa]

But on all toons it just clicked with me, I miss it

[blazing jewel]

So like sub on raz

[balmy condor]

just alt+z

and then zoom in fully

I could not see shit

[void mesa]

"Is garrote in pandemic yet??"

[clever sapphire]

gigachad move, bossfight where its legit a clusterfuck and you do that

[balmy condor]

half my screen was just on fire