assassination

[hard river]

[deft flicker]

Only booty

Only maps

[subtle tundra]

Sorry main server brain activated

My apolocheese

Please forgive me

[tacit wedge]

my crafter's offline and idk if he can make belts, so i decided to send him a ingame letter

[spice spire]

[deft flicker]

muffled eating seeds as a pastime activity sounds

[tacit wedge]

great now i had SOAD in head

[deft flicker]

Same

Brainicle.FM be popping off today

[normal mist]

I wish the people i craft items to were 5% polite as you are

[deft flicker]

Lol, lmao, featured comment under the official video

[tacit wedge]

it all started with a "please make it extra toxic and pour some love in it" in my crafting note

[normal mist]

I usually leave notes when i finish a craft, usually "oneshot gg ez next" when i 1tap 447 crafts, but never i got a cool note pre craft 😦

[tacit wedge]

i've once received hatemail from a crafter because he multicraft *5 a primal gem

and i only tipped 600g because i don't tip high when i provide all the mats at highest quality

[clever kindle]

real haste enjoyers have negative haste

[normal mist]

When i provide all materials i tip like 500 to 1k gold

Unless it's a personal craft

[pseudo hamlet]

If its personal craft I always tip 420g 69s

[pseudo hamlet]

Can't wait to get the 14k haste trinket from 10.1.5 tbh

I mean this one:

I will just stay in the fire till it procs.

[royal lantern]

its once per fight my man

a trinket slot for a haste boost that doesnt even last a full DM?

[spice surge]

Youd need a very specific scenario for that trinket to be worthwhile as a dps

[pseudo hamlet]

Gonna have crazy parses on fast-farm kills!

[royal lantern]

you also need a source of dmg early on

that you can just use

like

no my man, it wont be good except for a weird assault meme lol

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, I won't be using it. Was just wondering if there was any funny options/fights where DPS could actually gain from that proc for giga DPS gains

[abstract jacinth]

Alright let’s be reasonable now, no need to shoot for the stars

[hollow dirge]

What came first, prophetic stonescales or cheat death? 😂

If there was ever a trinket that demanded you to pre pull the boss, it’s this one. Prepull macro to make sure it procs-2s before pull timer ends- garrote , double click other direction so you’re back to the boss-/sit, snd- continue with normal opener

[gusty mirage]

font of power

back in bfa

oh prepull the boss

[clever kindle]

20 second pull timer

[royal lantern]

wait

assault

warlock

[split cipher]

22 second, gotta give them time to react

[royal lantern]

bring yourself to 10%hp with burning rush

pull assault

trinket procs from burning rush brining you to 0% hp

stonks

[winged veldt]

That haste amount has to be just a simple place holder and no way in hell it will be better for us when they put the right value in lol.

[drifting cloud]

:?

its a cheat death trinket, the haste proc is just some meme flavor on top of it

12s once per fight buff is irrelevant outside of some hc speed clears where you prob cant even proc it

[winged veldt]

Exactly lol

[cunning nest]

I mean the haste value is really, REALLY high.. But for 1, I dont think it's final (just placeholder value like the heal) and 2, if it would be strong for us, then it will be giga busted for other classes like udk or something

[winged veldt]

8 min already makes that shit trash for everyone in raid. Tanks won’t even use it because they can survive eating every mechanic with just class abilities while using dps trinkets to help the raid more

[woeful meteor]

8 min is normal for tank cheat deaths trinkets

and things like splintered heart and weave of warped fates were used

[winged veldt]

Now show me a fight in the last tier or this one where a tank cheat death is needed where their class abilities combined with healer cds won’t cover it completely with some to spare as the tank also eats every other mechinc without a care lol

[dull cloak]

it's not needed but it's nice to have for prog

[clever sapphire]

i mean iiiin theorie you could have abused this trinket on zskarn

just run into a bomb as a dps

and you get the haste

[spice surge]

It doesnt give that much haste on average, the fight needs to be shorter

Or you need to have massive cooldowns that scale well with haste

Or the only important damage check of the fight happens when you can proc it

Its an incredibly niche trinket that will likely never see use for that purpose

[lean kite]

Is there a difference between echoing reprimand before rupture or after shiv in opening?

[limber lion]

honestly no, just use whenever

[gusty mirage]

dark times my friend

[austere fulcrum]

Dont u wanna ER and rapture tho ?

[limber lion]

honestly no, just use whenever

technically slightly better to er rup in sims

[hot basin]

is irideus still oversimming?

[spice spire]

Yes

[woeful meteor]

we have 25 sec, because playing a boss as resto druid is immpossible if you dont have 20 seconds to pre hot everyone and then eat mage food to get back to 100% mana. based on our Rl (he plays resto druid)

bonus points for complaining about missing mage food after you forgot to click on the table 5 pulls in a row

[dusty trellis]

sry guys

i was jsut bored at work

[deft flicker]

That looks amazing!!

[clever sapphire]

@balmy condor any complaints? i even took iron wire just for you

[limber lion]

Your ability to copy paste the import code is impeccable.

[clever sapphire]

dont challenge my feelcrafting abilities

[deft flicker]

Might be a weird observation, but Deathmark is the only node across all talent trees with more than 6 connections

[spice spire]

Yes

It does not

[gusty mirage]

[jaunty dew]

Is there any point in running x2 atrophic in a raid or just run 1x atro 1x numb?

[clever sapphire]

doesnt stack

no point

[jaunty dew]

sweet

[clever sapphire]

only point is if one of you dies its still up

[jaunty dew]

numb affects bosses?

casting/as?

[clever sapphire]

iiii have no idea about that part

i would assume it affects mobs like sark adds

[jaunty dew]

Yeah but iirc warlock curses affect bosses

[clever kindle]

I dont know if it actually reduces casting speed but it should for AS

[jaunty dew]

Was wondering if numbing is the same way

[spice surge]

Numbing affects some casted spells/attacks

[clever kindle]

as far as I know, yes. but most boss casts I think are hard timed, interruptable stuff might be slowed

but attack speed for sure

[spice surge]

Most raid bosses' spells wont be slowed, but pretty much all adds n stuff will be

Melee attacks works though like others said

[clever kindle]

imagine how wonky timings would be on some bosses if hard casts were slowed by 15%

[jaunty dew]

ye lol

[wind condor]

Rogues are just fucking dogshit as a whole on sark huh

This is ASS

[royal lantern]

kinda, yeha

[wind condor]

I thought I was just misplaying, then I pulled this up

And no, we’re just dogshit

[royal lantern]

well

[idle inlet]

Pull up 1 of the 4 st fights

[royal lantern]

the big "you all do dmg now!" mechanic is a gigantic haste buff

haste is ussules for 2specs and kinda allright for 1

[idle inlet]

Those numbers are just aoe paddinf

In st we do decent damage

[royal lantern]

hes talking about sark

bruh

what have other fights to do with sark

[idle inlet]

Oh lol oops

Yeah sark is pretty bad ngl

[spice surge]

And even assa has a fairly flat damage profile, so just being downstairs a lot and missing out on poison applications hurts

[royal lantern]

🙂

you just go out asap

[idle inlet]

Ive never looked into but I was under the impression we were a burst class? Think I heard it on like a wow head tier list or something though lol

[royal lantern]

lol

no

rogue dmg profile is flatter then my ass

on all 3 specs

the biggest "burst" we have is beacon

[thin gate]

bring back prepatch xD

[idle inlet]

Is there a list somewhere of the loot coming in 10.1.5

[thin gate]

u mean the 447 items ?

"very rare" heroic raid and mythic 441-444 items to 447 upgrades

[idle inlet]

No lol the new loot like the cheat death trinket but also everything else

[tranquil cobalt]

Quick question. I have played outlaw and sub all tier. I am thinking about playing around with assassination after the recent buffs. How different are the stat props and embellishments?

[idle inlet]

Assa likes crit>mastery=haste>vers

[thin gate]

crit mastery are preferable

[idle inlet]

Also we run toxic thorn boots but slimy isn't that much worse

[tranquil cobalt]

I think I am going to have way to much vers. Damn

[thin gate]

versa is okayish in aoe scenarios

[tranquil cobalt]

I am curious after the buffs how it compares to sub rogue for mythic rashok

[thin gate]

well if u check the warcraftlogs the most ppl are parsing the same or higher with sub

but thats also, because more ppl play sub

but i dont think, dropping sub for assa is gonna be big of a deal

theyre close to each other at rashok

play what your more comfortable with

[scenic sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[solar tangle]

wpn rune as assa? crit too? 🙂

[limber lion]

Ye

[deft flicker]

Here are trinkets, no other special items so far

[balmy condor]

That’s just the faq build

[limber lion]

[clever sapphire]

didnt look, just took my old build and played dtb instead of ap

[brazen lagoon]

If mirrors replicates our opener my man

[gusty mirage]

you're there for atrophic poison

and some boss damage

that's about it

[pure moth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xvPER3QwRkNWkP6YdPjij4 how come these are losses?

makes no sense

[tacit otter]

losing tset bonus?

it replaces all 3 items at once, not each one individually

[pure moth]

but it shouldnt be a loss overall

should be a gain, right?

[balmy condor]

dropping your tier bonus is a big loss

[limber lion]

Yeah you're sitting at 3p by throwing that tier helm away

You're simming all 3 of them at the same time, not sure if that's what you wanted to do

[pure moth]

well then i fail at simming craftable stuff. i wanted to see what the biggest gain would be to craft next thing

[limber lion]

Just use Droptimizer for that

Or just do Gear Compare but do 3 gear sets

[pure moth]

ok

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/igwaVQKs3yYJt7LAefRMZp

@pure moth

here

Note that if the helm wins, that means that you need to find a tier chest from somewhere

Well lucky for you the chest win by big margin

Oops didn't put embellishment on the wrists

Chest should still win

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Kur9gfrbDxHSrRmfcPLci

Basically the same

Doesn't matter, wrists or chest

[pure moth]

i have a 447 tier chest already. took it from vault to have

[limber lion]

Just do wrists for now then

[pure moth]

ok

[tacit otter]

ring maybe bigger no?

was like 600-700 for me

[pure moth]

ring said 290

[tacit otter]

i replaced my onyx last week for easily 600 dps, but who knows

[pure moth]

i havent been so lucky with rings. so ill end up crafting one

next spark

[tacit otter]

i had similar rings to yours thats why im surprised its so small for you

[rain oyster]

any gamers?

[spring oasis]

Are we really use Phiole of glacial fury in m+? i guess its nerfed to dead?

[balmy condor]

corrupting rage or tepid vers

glacial fury sucks

[spring oasis]

allright thanks 🙂

[normal mist]

finally killed sarka HC

Me happy

IT HAS SPEED

[pure moth]

grats

[spice spire]

Gratz

[normal mist]

LETS A GOOOO

[hot basin]

on st do i save the second sepsis for deathmark or do i just send sepsis on cd and save vanish instead?

[craggy oak]

save vanish

as you dont use vanish in opener

so your 2nd dm will have the last bit of your imp gar from your 2nd garrote from sepsis

and you refresh with vanish

[spice spire]

Send on cd

[craggy oak]

pretty sure it faq has a better wroded version of what i put

[hot basin]

well that makes so much sense

thanks

[minor heath]

does irideus fragment change the st rotation at all

[limber lion]

Well the opener is a bit different

You would start with deleting the fragment

Then equipping a different trinket

Then doing normal opener

[minor heath]

thanks good talk, is someone down to actually answer my question?

[limber lion]

You should not play with it

That's the answer

[feral rivet]

Well its an important answer since its a bad trinket that oversims bigtime

[limber lion]

Literally play any other trinket

[minor heath]

ok so it sims as being much better than any of my other trinkets, what is the actual value of frag if the sim is lying

[limber lion]

Well if you read the pins you would know

But it's around 18%

[feral rivet]

[limber lion]

Which essentially just kills the trinket

There's like 10 other trinkets that perform better

[minor heath]

even champ track?

[limber lion]

Bomb, Beacon, Suffering, Dice, Essence

They all sim better

Just play whatever sims the highest, as long as it's not fragment

[feral rivet]

Theres even a picture in the pins that shows where it falls too in a list of trinkets

Edit: NM that was deleted

[limber lion]

Someone hasn't read the pins in a while

[deep lily]

Should i run Atrophic or mind numbing? Also Does mind numbing stack with Curse of weakness/curse of tongues

[limber lion]

Atrophic in raid always

Strongest effect takes prio

[feral rivet]

Ah shit that was removed from the pins yeah xD

[deep lily]

thats what i thought as well raid lead wanted me to swap them out but i was pretty sure thats how it worked

[limber lion]

Mind-numbing is kinda not super great either

The boss melees like 3 times less during the encounter

but that's it

Of course varies a bit depending on fight length, but yeah

it's not super great

[deep lily]

thanks i appreciate the input our tanks are getting trucked on mythic experiments transitioning into phase 3 with the deep breaths

so trying to figure out a wait to prevent that a bit

[hot basin]

thats ones a bit stupid but i ve been stuggling with balancing my stats xD

how much haste is too much or is there a min required haste for assas

on st

[limber lion]

There is no required or max stat numbers for any stat

Stats are history

[spice spire]

It does not matter for any stat

Robot knows

[limber lion]

Literally does not matter at all

Just pick item level

Once you're 445 ilvl, you can start looking at stats

[spice spire]

You throw items into robot robot gives you best stuff

[limber lion]

Idk what I have to do to get people to stop thinking about stats and haste in particular

[hot basin]

cuz most people try to increase their haste trough gems enchants and stuff in order to swap to assas

[limber lion]

Idk what the fixation is

[craggy oak]

robot tells them to

[limber lion]

You don't go "I wonder if my dex is high enough" in Diablo 4

Or "I wonder if my crit chance is high enough"

[hot basin]

wdym robot? x

xD

[craggy oak]

the robot

the all knowing all seeing robot

[deep lily]

simbot

[limber lion]

Most people? Don't think so

Most of us who play Assassination are sitting at less than 10 haste

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com

[limber lion]

And we enchant/gem crit or mastery

[spice spire]

My beloved

[limber lion]

Haste is dead

As is vers

and mastery

and crit

woah

they're all dead

[deep lily]

i'm at 8-9% haste and it feels good i could probably drop a bit though

[hot basin]

i thought you were talking about some other robot xD

[limber lion]

Stats could be removed entirely from the game and people would still ask how much haste assassination needs

[slow needle]

Its all of it right?

All of the haste.

[hot basin]

one last question pls dont be mad xD

is it worth craftingf both toxic and slimy for raid/m+ ?

[limber lion]

No

Toxic everywhere if you Assa OTP

Or Slimy everywhere if you play Sub/Outlaw as well

[tall atlas]

I mean have both now I guess

Sparks are just falling from the sky so go crazy?

[limber lion]

Not really falling from the sky

But sure go for it

But I'll take the 500 dps rings and whatnot first before doing that

[gusty mirage]

I'll take you

on a date

this weekend

[keen spruce]

i crafted toxic after slimey cuz it was my biggest crafted upgrade

[runic hinge]

I should’ve taken a spark this week and made toxic but I’m stupid and saw 800 dps on a neck without simming the crafted gear

[limber lion]

Is that a promise

[gusty mirage]

yes

[still leaf]

necks probably not that bad of an option if youve been stuck in vet hell like with a fucking 424 haste mastery neck

[runic hinge]

It was going from 437 to 441 vers/mast to crit/big haste. And then regemming to haste mastery probably because it loves haste rn cause I’m basically negative with slimy boots

[tepid lichen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tepid lichen]

is fragment oversimming fixed yet

[still leaf]

fragment belongs in the fucking trash

drogbar rocks prob outperforms it now tbh

[tepid lichen]

ok

[daring trail]

Quick question. Hold Beacon for DM or send it right after putting up SnD?

[ornate aspen]

Certainly they are just waiting for the last second to put in the rogue changes, just like they did with mage in 10.1, right?

Theres probably just so many it's taking weeks to type it all into a blue post

[woeful meteor]

Gar -> SND -> ER -> Rupture -> Beacon ->...

[misty holly]

Question for the parsing experts here. Is it better to potion during heroism at the start of a fight, or during execute deathmark near the end?

assuming fight less than 5m

[daring trail]

@woeful meteor TY King

[lyric cave]

any tricks for mythic sark sinx

[vocal barn]

what could i take instead of echoing reprimand? i HATE playing with this talent

[boreal valley]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

sim it every other option will suck

[vocal barn]

idc about the dps loss at this point

[limber lion]

2 points in Lethality

[drifting cloud]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

It's a dps gain for some profiles even

[boreal valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[woeful meteor]

thats not the wholy kyrian ability gone tho

[vocal barn]

thank you

fuck echoing reprimand

[woeful meteor]

its lethality, cold blood and 1 point in nightstalker

the stalker point is irrelevant tho get some more util

[vocal barn]

thanks guys

[cerulean nest]

100 parsed on a 0.1% wipe on rashok

now everyone's internet is screwed and we're calling it 🙂

[limber lion]

What was the dps like?

[drifting cloud]

wipe logs dont have correct parse numbers, big number regardless

[limber lion]

Yeah not a r1

[cerulean nest]

I would've caught him in the last few seconds dw

[limber lion]

Wipe logs ain't reliable ever

That's why I was asking

[limber lion]

Probably not lol

[drifting cloud]

well realistically youd done less because boss would die earlier

[cerulean nest]

had this one on another wipe too at the 6:30 mark. i was flirting with a high rank

gotta wait til next week either way now

[woeful meteor]

you will get a 40 on kill dw

[limber lion]

Nothing matters unless the boss is dead

[woeful meteor]

^^

[limber lion]

You could do 1m dps, but it doesn't matter if the boss is still standing

[cerulean nest]

thanks for the sobering reminder boys lmao

[limber lion]

Gotta keep the boys grounded

[drifting cloud]

0.1% tough but what can you do

[shut owl]

another day, another 30 io :3 went through my logs and somehow did 2k more overall as sin than sub in a freehold and I'm just baffled lol

[cerulean nest]

are you r1 though

[shut owl]

nope

[cerulean nest]

back to the drawing board

[shut owl]

indeed lol

I was on vacation last week so my sin board is missing half the keys on one side XD

[marsh gate]

9% damage buff to outlaw and we got.... nada lol blizzard forgot us again

[drifting cloud]

imagine typing that to show everyone how clueless you are

[balmy condor]

damn

ryler not pulling punches

I mean you're right

but jesus

[drifting cloud]

blizzard forgot about assa again .. the spec they buffed 2 weeks ago

[marsh gate]

Which was a net 4% to the live game where we already underperformed compared to the other 2. I thought the increases sub and outlaw are getting are to compensate for lack of ring in new patch. That's why I found it odd. But if being a cu t is your style,do you

[drifting cloud]

atleast you got most of that right I guess

dont see how assa underperforms versus outlaw in raid tho

[spice surge]

Assa already got buffed, now its outlaw and sub's turn

[balmy condor]

assassination is definitely better than outlaw in raid

even before the 4%

[spice surge]

Mom said i get to have the controller now

[drifting cloud]

was eranog bis for outlaw? havent checked that channel in a hot minute

[woeful meteor]

yes

[marsh gate]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though they were swimming within 1% before in st and had better aoe which gave them an edge in the later two fights

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean with bis it's possible they're close, but good luck having 450 beacon and double 447 bile tusks and all that on outlaw

for any reasonable character on prog

outlaw is worse

by a good margin

just cause a sim number with 446 equipped is close on a patchwerk sim

doesn't mean that's the reality for people on prog

[misty holly]

Is there any reason not to macro bomb dispenser to something you use all the time like mutilate or envenom?

[balmy condor]

it's the same reason why people swapping from sub to sin after the 4% buff is dumb

cause they see their simdps go "holy shit sin is 300 dps higher"

and then lose their minds

swap specs

and then can't perform

[balmy condor]

it would fuck you over if you had a second on use

[idle inlet]

Beat me to it

[marsh gate]

Totally reasonable and appreciate the response. Wasn't aware it was that dire outside of bis

[drifting cloud]

youve just been playing the long con since CN

[marsh gate]

And before I forget. Thanks for the resource work you do for the spec. I switched over in 10.1 and between the updates regularly to spec and rotation and the spreadsheets you and fuu have. It's been super valuable. Usually just a lurker but figured I'd give some praise too

[balmy condor]

idk if it's "dire" to be fair, all 3 specs are perfectly playable, but like boss damage for example assa is ahead a fair amount, while the overall is very close altogether

in general rogue is just like

not an add class

tbh

all the adds this tier are burst

nelth adds are burst

sark adds are burst

and none of the specs have tools for that

but yeh

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

glad you're enjoying them

[true basalt]

assassination best rogue spec

there, i said it

[gaunt moat]

I'm forced to damage adds on Zskarn now
My rupture is the big difference we need apparently.

[balmy condor]

I mean you should be rupturing 1-2 for energy anyways

But yeh idk

[drifting cloud]

its hard they run all over the place

[balmy condor]

yeh I wouldn't go out of the way to hit them

ranged mechanic

[drifting cloud]

and the ones that get gripped is because theyre supposed to die

[gilded oasis]

how about if you only have 4 ranged

[balmy condor]

die

quit raiding

[drifting cloud]

sub bp angle

[gilded oasis]

damn

[idle inlet]

I like to give them a mutilate too cuz my brain gives me happy chemicals when the mutilate dot goes on them

[balmy condor]

damage loss unlucky

[idle inlet]

It's a damage loss to mutilate the adds on zskarn? 😭

[balmy condor]

I mean on paper yeah

you'd never notice

[gaunt moat]

how did you know we had only 4 ranged? 😮

[idle inlet]

I love for on paper explain please sensei

Live*

[gilded oasis]

I can feel it

[balmy condor]

it's just lethal dose diff

[gilded oasis]

I think we had 5 actually on Tues

[balmy condor]

when you mut, you won't have everything up on the add

[gaunt moat]

We had 3 warlocks start of tier.
we had 0 warlocks last raid

[idle inlet]

Oooooooh yeah

[balmy condor]

so the doomblade dot

would be lower

than hitting the boss that already has it

and since doomblade is an ignite dot

you don't lose damage

so

[gilded oasis]

ya but what if I IC then garrote and rupter then mutilate the add??

[balmy condor]

unluker

[drifting cloud]

[idle inlet]

What is an ignite dot Dad?

[balmy condor]

think of each mutilate dot

as it's own thing right

and they stack

so if you have a dot for 5 seconds

and you mut again

the first dot is still ticking for 4 seconds

the new dot ticks for 5

etc etc

they compound

[idle inlet]

Oooooooh I didn't know they stacked thought you just munched the previous

[gaunt moat]

Exactly
it put you in very compromising positions
It's a boss you really need to consider where you're standing almost 100% of the time

[balmy condor]

yeah no munching on this one

rupture/garrote/ct etc munches

but the mut dot doesn't munch

it's a dot you apply without control constantly

so it gets that treatment

same as fire mage ignite dot

which is why it's an "ignite dot"

[idle inlet]

Oh well you have slightly improved my dps and also obliterated a source of happiness chemicals

XD

[gilded oasis]

just how he likes it

[balmy condor]

yeah enjoy the +15 dps or whatever I just gave you

[idle inlet]

My self esteem is based on how big my numbers are

[balmy condor]

in theory the best thing you could do

would be to gar -> rup -> mut

on the add

and then maintain the doomblade dot

on both targets

but like

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

good fucking luck

[drifting cloud]

youre overcooking

[balmy condor]

want to reiterate that all of this shit is like 0.05% dps

[drifting cloud]

that golem doesnt care about your existence, hes just there to enable traps

[gilded oasis]

same

[gaunt moat]

Also the golems die before my bleeds even reach half-way

and those that don't die i can't reach anyway

[balmy condor]

good sign that you shouldn't be garroting them then

just a rupture snipe angle

[gaunt moat]

I'm not, just rupturing

[gilded oasis]

have you tried longer arms?

[gaunt moat]

but imo even the rupture is meaningless

[drifting cloud]

if you have low ranged youre gonna have to run after some, its big meme

unless you got like 2 boomie, 2 fire mage

[gilded oasis]

probably still better melee classes to chase golems than sin rogue tho

[gaunt moat]

our feral tried going balance for half the raid, but at a certain point gave up

[balmy condor]

free energy

just use a 3cp rup or something idk

[gaunt moat]

yeah you use what CP you have at the moment
but the right answer is just that out comp fucking sucked haha

[balmy condor]

did it die tho

[gaunt moat]

Zskarn? best attempt 29%

[balmy condor]

fuck

[gaunt moat]

it should really get nerfed imo, remove one ranged trap and it'll be okay

[drifting cloud]

it will, blizz is just checked out

[gilded oasis]

too busy nerfing 1st boss sorry

[drifting cloud]

1st boss nerf makes sense and is an easy one, zskarn not so much

[balmy condor]

honestly feels ridiculous that it isn't nerfed yet

I'm progging sark faster than you're progging zskarn

that shouldn't be how that works

[gaunt moat]

Your guild is 3 days right?

[balmy condor]

ye

[gaunt moat]

So can't really compare, we're only 2

have you tried sark since nerfs?

[drifting cloud]

hes mid raid now

[gaunt moat]

First phsae was really that bad that made very hard?

[balmy condor]

our healers are regularly at 225-240k hps at the end of p1

all 4 of them

[gaunt moat]

And how is it now cmoperativly for you?

[drifting cloud]

the nerf hits hard in p3

dont think theyre getting there

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[main vessel]

they'll be getting there soon

[main vessel]

gooooo team

[balmy condor]

we're struggle bussing

into p3

[gaunt moat]

oh you're streaming right now, i'll just watch

[gilded oasis]

but its more fun to make him type it all out

[balmy condor]

I don't mind

[gilded oasis]

i tuned in right in time for break earlier

[balmy condor]

yeh

we have an hour left

[gilded oasis]

instead of a set break we just have people afk for 2 mins every other pull

its real good

[balmy condor]

[gilded oasis]

time effecient

[balmy condor]

not the move

[drifting cloud]

we had a 45min break today

because 20 people and one guys brexit net stopped working

[gaunt moat]

This was golems damage after they made me focus them too

it's like 2m, but 500k of it is from gear

it's just kinda sad to even focus them

[gilded oasis]

yep

[gaunt moat]

Also pet peeve on Zskarn
Almost can never hit him from the back

[gilded oasis]

wym you don't love parry?

[gaunt moat]

20% melee miss

[gilded oasis]

yeah I was complaining about that Tues. yet another boss where the best place to be is in front with tanks

[gaunt moat]

Meanwhile ranged:

but it's okay, sometimes i can get greedy and stand behind him
Then I can cloak the 4 stacks of trap i'll be getting

[gilded oasis]

lmfao papa bless cloak

I like to snipe people on wipes by cloaking my elimination protocol

[gaunt moat]

i do it too. but not on purpose :x

[gilded oasis]

first time was on accident I didn't know it would fire it off

[gaunt moat]

I really don't get why melee needs to have a mechanic that fucks them while ranged can stand wherever, when melee positoning is already troublesome and overcrowded.

[gilded oasis]

cause fuck melee amirite. But yeah I also don't get it still. With the amount they've changed or removed it just seems like a middle finger to keep parry in

[tepid lichen]

optimal way to use shadowmeld in raid?

[tacit otter]

theres none, its fully useless in raid

[gilded oasis]

it doesn't give emp garrote? Ive never played with it before so idk

[thorn adder]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tacit otter]

you cant drop combat in raid so it doesnt do anyting

afaik theres no use for shadowmeld

[clever kindle]

back in the day you could shadowmeld and gnomish army knife to rez someone in raid

[gilded oasis]

ah I see

[balmy condor]

If you sit in shadowmeld for like 2-3 seconds on dungeon trash you can then true stealth and get another opener

Which is a gain but people super overestimate how much it is

Because people like to pretend that improved garrote is like 600%

And not 50%

[gilded oasis]

true its more like 1000%

[shut owl]

why do that when you can just meme the same thing 2.5x more often with sepsis build 😛

[balmy condor]

True

[drifting cloud]

my stealth bind for fok is cheapshot

so start of p2 in sark I was doing big cheap shots

[balmy condor]

Huge

[shut owl]

all you gotta do is give up IW/20% garrote damage, and you too, can run around with improved garrotes on every IC, no matter how wildly your tank is pulling!@

[balmy condor]

That’s the utility we like to see from the rogue

[shut owl]

my guild calls me mommy now in uldaman because my lot in life is to gouge/kidney/blind every hail of stone cast in our keys

[gilded oasis]

hmm yes thats why

[shut owl]

it actually is t-t. they cared about my big steppies, but not enough for that. instead its a meme because my friends fiancee blurted it out in surprised that we didnt die

[gilded oasis]

lol

[shut lotus]

probably not the first to ask this but what is the best way to analyze my gameplay for mistakes in my rotation? Have looked and tried to compare logs to higher dps but im kind of lost. help

[spice spire]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

Excellent start there! Thanks to mister topple

I will not ping him this time

[blazing jewel]

lemme review your logs

[shut lotus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/73856177 Would appreciate the help!

[spice spire]

🙅

Ugly logs

[blazing jewel]

nono I meant quakes logs

[spice spire]

Rn I am not cooking

[balmy condor]

You got that dog in you

[blazing jewel]

uhh

context sir

[balmy condor]

The context is he’s got that dog in him

[blazing jewel]

george

[balmy condor]

Kyle

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[solid mica]

does mind numbing work on the totem last boss of brackenhide?

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8J4rXAJ/

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

[blazing jewel]

is this your mental after raid tonight

[balmy condor]

It usually doesn’t work on the cast times of boss monsters, and the totem counts as a boss or something

[balmy condor]

Is this your mental after raid tonight

Yes

[blazing jewel]

[void mesa]

This really does hit home after a night of wipe

[balmy condor]

It’s good content

[void mesa]

Altho, seeing him downclimbing reminded of the pulls after 2hrs where we regress instead of progress

[balmy condor]

It’s a classic

[blazing jewel]

whats he doing up there though

he has to go back down

[blazing jewel]

did they ask for whispyr raz round 2 tonight

[balmy condor]

No sir

They told me to get off the add and onto boss actually

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

I send both p2 sepsis directly into boss now

[blazing jewel]

pog

I know fan is the play in 3 targets right

but when it comes to prio damage

that is still true right

[balmy condor]

Nah

For prio you don’t fok until 5

[blazing jewel]

hmm

prob still worth it to be energy effient to hold teas though

in p2

maybe im cooking too hard

[balmy condor]

You rupture the add for energy

Tea during 2 target when the small boys die and you can’t snipe for energy

[blazing jewel]

I was doing war crimes with sepsis on nelth reclear

youd be proud

had to get creative because we were phasing the boss so early p1 and 2

we need this but in uwu form

[jade minnow]

please guys, is there any spreadsheet to check raid roster's enchants, embelishments etc?

[balmy condor]

You can do that on the summary tab of your logs

If you use method raid tools that has an inspect feature as well

[jade minnow]

thx

will check it

[balmy condor]

Np

[sharp viper]

i tried

[serene fossil]

The pink cheeks are missing

[sharp viper]

gonna try again

[blazing jewel]

Our hero

[sharp viper]

sUwUpsis

[blazing jewel]

[serene fossil]

Amazing

[royal lantern]

[serene fossil]

Now ill feel less bad playing it

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor new role dropped

[sharp viper]

aligned the cheeks properly now and tried a crop

[blazing jewel]

[sharp viper]

i can do better

[serene fossil]

Amazing

[sharp viper]

there we go

[faint jacinth]

why did i click on this channel

[sharp viper]

because it's one channel above the outlaw channel and your energy drink overdose-imdunced shaking hands misclicked on this channel by accident

[deft flicker]

I mean both are suwupsis channels now

[blazing jewel]

I think the second you join rh you become a energy drink fiend

[faint jacinth]

my hands are completely still

[blazing jewel]

[faint jacinth]

energy drink doesnt do anything for me sadly

[dark token]

Boss dam is a big enough problem even my raid leader dmd asking if I wanted to play assa

When I was playing sub all season

[sharp viper]

great thing as assa, you barely get told off when you are not swapping to adds

[blazing jewel]

During m nelth reclear we had a few adds run wild for 5 sec before the tank grabbed them on one of our wipes

“Why is rogue man not specced into tricks”

I hit them with “what do you expect me to hit the adds with”

[dark token]

I mean tricks is free to spec into in raid so that's a fair question

[dark token]

Black powder permission

[sharp viper]

whut

[dark token]

It's for aggro

[blazing jewel]

I was running master poisoner

[dark token]

We have 2 rogues so I make other rogue run master poisoner

[sharp viper]

i'd rather have 0.6% less boss damage

[blazing jewel]

For the FATTY dr

Wait hold on is that even the talent name

The mf stronger non lethal talent

[dark token]

Think so

[blazing jewel]

Fan of knives wouldn’t even come close to pulling threat off of healers lmfao

The entirety of p3 my fok did 500k to the adds

[idle gorge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[golden spoke]

Hi

quick question what are the changes to exang that whispy wrote as an 22nd June update?

[blazing jewel]

Where are you seeing there was an update?

[jade minnow]

anyone trying to level and gear an alt recently? id use the 437 crest from killing sark but its locked behind campaign right?

[strange python]

hey guys is arms better than fury

[jade minnow]

its less APM heavy

[keen spruce]

i got my warlock alt from 370-430 in like 10 days

[ebon notch]

wtf even is this channel lmao

[strange python]

assa dead spec

[shell raft]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

warlock is the caster equivalent of assassination rogue

[gusty mirage]

Is it?

Warlock actually does damage

[vestal wren]

should tell blizz that they forgot about that part

[stable storm]

guys, does assassa have snapshotting like feral?

i see deathmark being cast after the dots are placed, does the damage update "dynamically"?

rn im trying to learn the exodia of shit melee specs (ww my main, feral surv and ass rogue)

[vestal wren]

yes, assassination has some amount of snapshotting

[stable storm]

okok

to what extent is this snapshotting?
or where can i read more about it

[vestal wren]

e.g. improved garrote damage from stealth will snapshot to the bleed

[stable storm]

only on improved garrote?

[vestal wren]

improved garrote was one example

[stable storm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[stable storm]

is it here

[vestal wren]

i am not sure if snapshotting is a topic in the guides

garrote snapshotting damage amps from stealth is fairly logical

[stable storm]

yea which one would do naturally

im just wondering if theres anything i need to pay special attention to

[vestal wren]

think the guides should state anything you should consider

but just ask about specifics

exsang was the one spell that was the least intuitive but we atm don't play it

[stable storm]

ye im gonna read the guide proper now

[vestal wren]

(because it did also snapshot the haste value when used)

[stable storm]

exsanguinate is on the wowhead guide tho

[vestal wren]

the pins state some bugs that make it less appealing to use

(how it interacts with deathmark)

[stable storm]

ok ok i trust you

whats the alternative?

[vestal wren]

the #assassination-faq is a good point to start off

it is usually updated faster than the guide

but people are connected, so eventually everything will have the same information

the sepsis build is currently the commonchoice

talent setups are also in the faq

[stable storm]

ahh i found the builds

thanks a lot man

ok 1 more thing since i just arrived on this discord

whats the strongest spec rn?

[blazing jewel]

Yes

All three are very close

[stable storm]

bottom 4 melee spec enjoyer

btw, do we have high m+ assassa players here? Im curious to see how much dam it does, specially on fortified keys in aoe

idk any streamers/youtubers

[normal otter]

If you can sync pulls with your tank you can do very good dps. If tank is playing one mob gaming it’s dog shut

Shit *

[stable storm]

45CD aoe gaming 👍 💯

[normal otter]

Yep

[vestal wren]

all 3 are close, pick the one you prefere.
Subtlety is the most popular in m+ groups, so migth help find pug keys faster

(assassination is not exactly the best in m+)

[faint jacinth]

Outlaw is the rocky path rn

But best path

[stable storm]

im gonna try to push feral to KSH (idk if i wanna push monk or feral past ksh)

but ill prob just play some assassa with guild groups ig

[floral shoal]

Praise IC+Iron wire to your tank to make them care a little about setting up pulls for you. Imps in CoS were great to demonstrate.

[idle inlet]

Felt so bad using it on them when they died so fast tho lol

[stable storm]

wtf is iron wire

u mean garrote?

[peak bobcat]

Why is rogue so turbo dogshit for sark

[blazing jewel]

Haste sucks

And our cds suck

[pure moth]

@stable storm

[clever sapphire]

oh i know this spell, this is the one that made whispyr hate my talent tree 🤣

[stable storm]

oh i thought u were talking abt a literal garrote lolol

guys i need some clarification about the guide

it says to use combo points at 4+ (or 5+ if using deeper strata)

without strata (for example)

if im at 4 combo points, do I overcap to use 5 combo point action, or do i use it at 4?

like all the time

[deft flicker]

Your max is 5 - whenever you get to at least 4 you send a finisher

If you skip 4 and get straight to 5 - lucky, send a finisher on 5

Same thing with deeper stratagem, but shifted 1 cp up

[stable storm]

ah gotcha

cheers man

[somber sparrow]

lucky on LFR last night... wooo

[slim pebble]

Lfr sark sounds awful

[stable field]

Why dont we use vanish on opener ? I saw many logs first vanish on 2min+

[woeful meteor]

[stable field]

Yea I was thinking the same but wanna make sure. If im right. Thanks

[idle inlet]

How many times does sophic proc per minute on average and how much does it affect your damage?

[somber sparrow]

it was a one-shot, surprisingly

[celest drift]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hot basin]

omg

you just changed my world thats insane

brilliant

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs accursed tech

precast bacon into vanish

[keen spruce]

i've been doin it since i got a bacon

feels nice

[misty holly]

LFR sark has no mechanics lol. Hiding in the line for big aoe is I think the only mechanic.

[balmy condor]

Bacon into vanish dps loss

Very cool

By all means continue doing it

It just helps me parse I guess

Because on a lot of fights you don’t wait

Zskarn, nelth, sark, rashok

It’s literally just an opener that creates a bad habit

For no reason

Like what’s the point

Of just doing something that fucks you over on half the fights

[sweet dawn]

I've noticed for my 2min DM I have to vanish to cover the whole thing with imp garrote, even if I wait as long as I can before using the 2nd sepsis buff, am I just playing it wrong?

[balmy condor]

You have to hold the sepsis a little

[clever sapphire]

the point is muscle memory, building a good muscle memory for your opener is better than sometimes doing precast and sometimes not

[hoary kernel]

Why dont you just pre cast beacon, shadowstep get one emp garrote then start the rotation normally? Just make sure you misdirect the tank.

[balmy condor]

So your suggestion is to do a new opener, which isn’t a dps increase, so you can then not do that opener on half the fights, because it’s a loss

Why are we beaconing pre pull to begin with

If that’s the case

It’s very easy to just, not do that

[idle inlet]

Wait I'm confused how is it worse exactly like if I precast beacon like the casters do before the pull and don't miss a gcd how am I losing damage by using beacon first?

[hoary kernel]

I mean I never pre pull with beacon, just doing that saves them the vanish

[balmy condor]

Because you have to vanish

[idle inlet]

Is vanish on the gcd?

I've never noticed lol

[balmy condor]

No

[idle inlet]

Oh then I'm still lost

[balmy condor]

You just don’t have it up

For after opener

[idle inlet]

Ok I'm sorry explain to me why it's bad not to have it for after opener because I've always just held it till 2nd dm

[balmy condor]

Because depending on the fight time you can min-max by sending it earlier and holding the sepsis like 5-6 seconds to cover the dm

It’s more uptime

Sometimes you have time at the end of a pull where you can just vanish at the end

But on a lot of fights it’s just better to vanish after opener

And then hold the sepsis to cover the 2 min

On nelth for example

Vanish p1 after opener, then p2 you have sepsis for the first add vanish for the second add with dm, sepsis for the third add

Sarkareth you hold sepsis at the end of p1 because you’re going down for intermission

So you vanish p1

Then sepsis dm start of p2

Then vanish second add p2

And sepsis the third

[hoary kernel]

So I just tried it, cast beacon out of stealth. Shadowstep garrote still gives me 3 combo points for garrote. Which means it is still empowered, doesn't that solve the problem of doing the opener properly and still keeping vanish? Correct me if I am being stupid.

[balmy condor]

That does solve the problem

[idle inlet]

Yeah but that's annoying af

[balmy condor]

But like

[idle inlet]

Timing it that well

[balmy condor]

We’re so deep in the rabbit hole

For what purpose

[hoary kernel]

I've tested it multiple pulls and its not that hard really.

[balmy condor]

Okay but what do you gain

[hoary kernel]

well I personally prefer the opener normally, but if multiple people want to pre cast beacon just giving them a solution.

[balmy condor]

You still auto attack through the cast

[dark hornet]

does Beacon damage scale with 4 set and shiv?

[balmy condor]

So the only thing it gains is like 1.4 seconds

[balmy condor]

No

So you gain 1 mut

On the whole fight

And all you have to do is time a prepull trinket and then not fuck yourself over with the step afterwards

HUGE!

[brazen zodiac]

massive gains!

[hoary kernel]

I mean you can also ToT so you dont do that, but I do agree with you whispyr jsut giving them suggestions on what they want to do.

how pointless it may seem

[balmy condor]

Cannot wait for people to try it, crit their beacon, and then not have aggro and fucking die

Idk

Shits just dumb

Don’t prepull your beacon

It’s that easy

[sonic zinc]

tricks a healer then prepull beacon

ez

[balmy condor]

Such a simple thing to do

Is like

Don’t contort yourself

Into a pretzel

Making something work that’s dumb

[hot basin]

so in a fight like rashok for an example

where i can hit all the time

do i sepsis on cd and save vanish ?

or is it the same

[balmy condor]

Hold the first sepsis after opener for a couple seconds

The 1:30 one

Hold it till like 1:35/1:40

Vanish after the opener garrote drops

That’ll be at like 40

[hot basin]

thanks a lot

[weak horizon]

anyone got any info on how to sim crafted gear in top gear?

[peak bobcat]

On sark we hold sepsis for when we come out of the downstairs right?

the 1:30 sepsis

[tacit otter]

Yes and you vanish after opener emp gar fall off because you got 2m DM covered with the delayed sepsis

[peak bobcat]

right

thanks

[tacit otter]

In the #tc-research pins is a txt file which you can post under you simc input to get all the crafted items into top gear

[peak bobcat]

is there any other tips, I don't really damage first set off adds due to CDing the boss, but i try to swap to the prio add on 2nd and 3rd set

[tacit otter]

You're sin or atleast a rogue, doesn't really matter what you do to the adds tbf

[peak bobcat]

My guild tried to flame me for not targeting the large add

And I told them if you want the rogue to make up add damage we probably don't understand how my class works

[tacit otter]

That's a lost cause then haha

It's just delusion, but if they want it so much just swap off, do 30k dps on that add which doesn't matter

Or swap guilds because these guys seem clueless

[drifting cloud]

:?

[hot basin]

well they might ask him to swap to sub/outlaw and they would be right to do so no ? xD

[balmy condor]

First add gets nuked from the haste buff so send boss, I focus the second and third ones, second is vanish on add+boss then funnel the add, third is sepsis

The sepsis is a bit iffy though

If you guys have the damage on third add it’s probably worth to just send it on boss

[last aurora]

what trinkets do we want in M+? I assume they stay the same for Fort and Tyran weeks.

[balmy condor]

Neltharions and dice typically

Beacon is good

[last aurora]

okay that makes sense. I have a 441 bomb, and the sim said it was better, but it just feels off in M+ to me

[thin scroll]

so I just simmed myself and the only crafted ring that beat onyx was a haste/matery 447 one, is that the way to go for .5 then?

[thin scroll]

is there a way to add the other crafted ring too? seems to have added only one of them

[spice surge]

If you have one of them you can press the "+" on it and change it

[thin scroll]

I meant the other 'base' ring

the teleport one

[limber lion]

I mean it's the exact same ring just with a tp.

But yeah you can do gear compare

[thin scroll]

yes but its unique equipped

so need the other to sim both

[limber lion]

Yeh gear compare

You can copy the line from the raw input

Then use it in top gear

[thin scroll]

was hoping to another string to add to top gear but thanks, maybe I can modify what is the in the other channel with the ID of the other ring hmmm

[thin scroll]

oh I see, also an option then

thanks

[limber lion]

Yeh you can find the line from the input

Just need the ring= part

[crimson abyss]

Looking to play sin again for alt keys/fun, does shadowmeld actually let you get stealth resets during chain pulls or does that not work in pve?

[runic hinge]

You can. You don’t always drop combat depending on the mobs tho

[somber sparrow]

so the first boss of aberrus, why do we do so much more damage on that single target fight, and, say, less on other single target fights like rashok or magmatusk? maybe it's a dumb question, I just don't get it lol

[tepid lichen]

sry if its asked a billion times but where do we put beacon in opener

[fluid glade]

prob after the first garrote, might be a better spot for it but its the most simple

can always quick sim yourself as well to see

[tepid lichen]

[sudden hound]

same logic as every other flat damage trinket (ie grieftorch last season). flat damage trinkets can be used whenever convenient as long as it doesnt make you miss a cast in the fight

[gilded oasis]

@gaunt moat rejoice nerfs are inc

[somber sparrow]

I like garrote -> beacon -> slice -> echoing reprimand -> rupture -> sepsis -> vendetta -> garrote -> shiv. and then basic stuff but hold the second sepsis garrote until about 5 seconds left on garrote to refresh it. and then when that garrote is almost gone do a vanish garrote

[tepid lichen]

o the opener pic in faq hella outdated then

[spice spire]

Beacon isn’t in either

And frag was a specific usage for max gain

[balmy condor]

opener pic is not outdated

beacon can be after the rupture

[somber sparrow]

not saying it's wrong, just that it's not what I do exactly and there's a little play within it.

[tepid lichen]

cuz pic has reprimand way after what you said is why i said it was outdated

like 3 gcds after

[somber sparrow]

also for raiding i modified my stealth bar to have my main abilities on it in the same place so that I can mutilate and envenom and shiv all during the sepsis buff, and be able to save garrote for the refresh

yeah, but in the opener in #assassination-faq it also says you can Echoing reprimand instead of mutilate and then rupture, it's sort of something you can play around with

[tepid lichen]

[somber sparrow]

whatever fits your playstyle the best

[tepid lichen]

just trying to learn the spec for sark

[balmy condor]

yep, just want to make sure that people don't get the wrong idea about the opener being outdated when it's not :)

[tepid lichen]

[somber sparrow]

once you have your opener down how you like it, then you literally just keep rupture and garrote up, mutilate, envenom, don't let shiv cap, and use your energy thistle tea when you're below 70 energy so you don't waste any of it. the opener has lots of buttons but maintaining the rotation is simple after that

[balmy path]

the garrote with the iron wire talent used at the start actually silences everyone. or do I have to wait for someone to cast it to use it?

[gusty mirage]

actually silences (most) mobs

[next arch]

Is there ever a real reason to ambush as assa. Other than like, sepsis cast on a .1% HP boss or whatever.

Or when it's procced obviously.

But never from stealth or sepsis?

[balmy condor]

correct

you could make some incredibly min-max argument about like ambush -> sng -> gar in opener and that kind of stuff

but the difference there isn't actually meaningful in any regard

so much easier to just ambush only from blindside

and nothing else

[gaunt moat]

HALLELUJAH BROTHER

I don't really understand the trap activation change though

i thought they already were spawning on his location

[earnest remnant]

he also spawn random ones

around the room

[gaunt moat]

yes, but i'm not sure of this change means those won't spawn now at all or what

[earnest remnant]

its what they typed at the top

[gaunt moat]

Dragonfire Traps now activate consistently based on Zskarn’s location.

[earnest remnant]

"no more random traps"

[spice surge]

Im assuming they mean it now activates the 3 closest to him

[gaunt moat]

thatr's what wowhead wrote

[spice surge]

Or the 2 closest and the one thats furthest

Instead of 2 closest and 1 random

[earnest remnant]

so if thats true

its big

[gaunt moat]

that's just wowhead's interpertation though
but it's most likely what Eleem said

[night delta]

Are there already insights on the megadungeon trinkets of 10.1.5 ?

Good / not good mainly

[spice surge]

Most of them have effects that are not easy to guess what they do based on the spell data only so you pretty much need to "manually" test them, and idk if theres a vendor for them on the ptr so you can easily get them

[gaunt moat]

@earnest remnant tbh I think most probably, they actually just remove the random trap completly, so only spawn 2 traps each time.

and that's the only change they had to make, the elimination protocol wasn't neccesarry

[spice surge]

Ye could be just two as well

[placid apex]

Hey guys, new to rogue here. I saw guides that showed to get exsanguinate but i saw in the openers it said exsang is bad now and doesnt show it at all. does that mean we don't take exsanguinate?

[runic hinge]

Correct

[placid apex]

I didnt see a build with Bone spike in the FAQ, is that also bad? is the go to pretty much a sepsis build?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[placid apex]

interesting, thanks for the input guys! 🙂

[dark token]

is it 4 melee traps always now

or they just remove the 2 rng traps entirely

cause 4 melee traps would BLOW

[gilded oasis]

Yeah its a bit vague, will be interesting to see on Tues or if more clarification comes out. Im hoping its not just 4 in melee but then again you can just move in a circle/should still have time to not get nuked I suppose.

[night delta]

2 closest + 2 furthest would make the most sense tbh

[gilded oasis]

should just be 2 closest then 2 on random ranged players, giving you the ability to bait etc.

or not even 2 ranged but 2 random players

[night delta]

Nah, cuz tank running around doing bombs

[gilded oasis]

theres trap timer, can do bombs between. or even if there is one or two bad baits that way you can still clear with the golem shit. It'd be at least one bad one every now and then vs just rng bad ones every time

[limber lion]

Probs not melee/range bombs

It says "based on Zskarn's location"