assassination

[blazing jewel]

Deaths on mythic sark hunter is very middle of the pack

[faint jacinth]

pretty much yeah

[gloomy dust]

Aight cheers!

[blazing jewel]

Yo my sin fam

On mythic nelth

Besides holding sepsis for 2min dm is there any other weird stuff we do

[royal lantern]

i did macro to mutilate/shiv/envenom, you use it on CD that way and also dont mess up your opener

[gaunt moat]

And now I'm crafting rings, which cost a lot of gold
Just in time for 10.1.5 when you can upgrade rings to 447

[royal lantern]

who has the highest amount of deaths on sark btw

warrior?

cus warrior brains LOVE floor PoV

[blazing jewel]

Frost dev an fire

[gloomy dust]

cheers!

[blazing jewel]

Frost and fire have small sample size though

[void mesa]

That fire sample size is kinda depressing ngl

[royal lantern]

1sec

#showtooltip Mutilate
/cast Mutilate
/use 13
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()

[wary ice]

more like deadvoker

[royal lantern]

use that macro

and you dont get the "item not ready" message all the time

and replace mutilate with w/e ability you want

[gloomy dust]

aight yeah

[gloomy dust]

13 is first or second trinket slot?

[royal lantern]

first

[gloomy dust]

aight superb!

[faint jacinth]

use 13 is the connoisseur choice im just typing /cast Dragonfire Bomb Dispenser

[gloomy dust]

might aswell yeah

[grim tree]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Anyone got some wishes for 10.1.5?

[eager river]

more bear buffs

and sin aoe buffs :)

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather have sin ST buffs

[eager river]

but i like having sin rogues in my keys D:

[clever sapphire]

buff sin ST so that we can do ST with our aoe build too

[eager river]

that works too

im tired of seeing pocket sand throwers

spec is cringe af

[gusty mirage]

yet you never invite me to keys

@eager riverhold me they're talking about submarines in OT

I'm scared

[eager river]

i wasnt strong enough to do oxi keys yet

[gusty mirage]

you're always strong enough to play vidya games with me

we're friends

[cerulean walrus]

Oxi would never let me do keys with him

[blazing jewel]

Oxi has the greatest routes I’ve ever seen

Nobody is prepared for that

[cerulean walrus]

[eager river]

i need the oxi route for brackenhide

that place is doomed now with count

[blazing jewel]

It’s going to be

Pull whatever shield bounces to

[cerulean walrus]

Lmao

[eager river]

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

true

I'll make sure to guest write for RIO dw

"Step 1. Play Prot Paladin"

"Step 2. Press Avengers Shield."

"Step 3. ??????"

"Step 4. Probably wipe cause you're dumb idk"

[blazing jewel]

Just like scribble out the dratnos name in the route and write OXI over it

[gusty mirage]

reminds me of the vdh I had in a vortex

where instead of taunting the assassins

he threw glaive

and pulled the 2nd dragon

nice fort week banger for the boys

[spiral pasture]

first time hc sarka as assa turbo trolled vanish, i guess you have to use it some point in p1?

[blazing jewel]

Did you phase the boss early

[spiral pasture]

yh

[blazing jewel]

That kinda cranks timers for sark

[spiral pasture]

yh no hasted DM in p2 😐

[gusty mirage]

just blast it to extend the imp garrotes from the sepsis

timings are all fucked up on that fight

hold bepsis for p2

and then jerk off waiting for CDs to not be cursed

[spiral pasture]

parsing is legit impossible unless i find a shit pug i guess xd adds dying before they spawn

[gusty mirage]

boss prolly force phases before you get a chance to do shit

[spiral pasture]

cba guild runs man

[gusty mirage]

last 2 are legit a nightmare to parse

like pugs lust pull on nelth

so you get like 15s of lust with the boss immune

sick

[spiral pasture]

lol

[gusty mirage]

cranking 500 envenom crits

waiting for him to phase

[spiral pasture]

i had a very good parse once in a pug then literally got 3 pis in like 40 seconds

[gusty mirage]

[spiral pasture]

insta left the grp and hearthed mid fight xd

[gusty mirage]

they're actually terrorizing you

I remember pugging rasz on heroic

as sub

and getting a PI

never once got a PI while playing sin

but every time I play sub

I just get random PIs

because the universe hates me

[spiral pasture]

happens when you blast way more than everyone else

[gusty mirage]

it's less dps than giving it to another healer to smite or something

[mortal tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2FpG59zhYDFMMFrop675G2, the Djslice aoe not up to date ?

[balmy condor]

What’s the custom apl from

[mortal tusk]

yours

just copy past it

[balmy condor]

Should be okay

[mortal tusk]

but how do I sim higher than yours

[balmy condor]

Cause you have all the raid buffs on

[royal lantern]

man

i just noticed that the devoker tierset is like

12-15% dmg

[mortal tusk]

oh k 🙂

my bad

[sharp viper]

hell yeah, purple log as sin on assault - still feels kinda wrong?

[balmy condor]

Probably cause purple assault is green any other spec

[sharp viper]

winning a race because noone else showed up

[final star]

Got my friend/guildy/healer/lover-in-the-making is complaining in my DM's that the build image in faq shows exsang but you never use exsang anymore

Any chance of that being updated (I know it's annoying to fix images)

(and it says everywhere exsang is kill)

[autumn frost]

What's the alternative build to ic ap? Ic dtb?

For mythic dungeons

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Do we know what current PI value is? Assuming a lot lower without exsang on the 2 and 4 minute

[autumn frost]

I need sims!

[sharp viper]

i would like to know how you get exsang on 2nd and 4 minute cds with it having 3 minutes CD

[final star]

you don't talent it ever

that's how

[balmy condor]

Yeh probably today

[autumn frost]

Exsang is objectively worse then everything since it's bugged to not work with deathmark.

[final star]

thank you

[autumn frost]

But you wouldn't get it at 2 minutes.

[strange python]

You don't take it ever anymore. But when you did take it you would use it at 0 and 4

[autumn frost]

you'd do it at 0 minutes then 4 minutes

jynx

[strange python]

I guess I meant 0/4 not 2/4 but still, you held it

[autumn frost]

no wonder when i messed up my exsanguinate I never saw any dps loss

[idle inlet]

Besides exsang being removed or changed what's other likely changes coming with assas rework?

[royal lantern]

ahahahhahahaahahahhahahahahah

[sharp viper]

everyone gets free tacos

[autumn frost]

Ahahahhaaa..

Nothing Supertaco. Don't predict anything and you'll not be disappointed as badly as we all have been. Keep your expecations at they will nerf us and you'll be okay when they nerf us.

[idle inlet]

Lmao I literally had soda coming out of my nose reading those answers. Well I'm not gonna doom I've got hope

[autumn frost]

Not telling you to doom. Just telling you that holding out hope for six months and getting radio silence can break a person.

[gusty mirage]

blood mallet's list should be accurate

[strange python]

Are they not using the exsang build anymore?

[idle inlet]

I Just like to imagine the possibilities to make the wait less painful lol

[autumn frost]

Well... that might work for the first four months.

[idle inlet]

Like they give us something similar to that sub talent that lets you double rupture instead of the extra fok range talent

[autumn frost]

To be fair we went from like 3rd from the bottom to maybe 14th in single target?

*single target

after they aura buffed us again.

That doesn't sound like something they would do. Based on my guildies, instead of waiting for that you should uh... play sub. They keep telling me that but I am an aassassination main.

[gusty mirage]

no fucking clue tbh

[idle inlet]

Yeah sub single target makes me want to die my ping slightly to high and I munch so many cp from inputting a builder and it rolling over to my next gcd

[gusty mirage]

but whispyr put in the backstop so if you sim with PI you don't have to list out the timings anymore I believe

[cerulean nest]

whats the PI gain during execute? I'm jockeying for it at 6mins on rashok

[idle inlet]

How does the assa community feel about snd?

[blazing jewel]

You press it in opener then unbind it

[glossy lagoon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[idle inlet]

I used to like it when I wasn't trying to do group content but now it feels like an extra key that I hate

[blazing jewel]

Pi badge on rogue should go to a majority of other classes over you

[void mesa]

Lmao, the bloodmallet PI sims are pointing tank>rogue for PI prio xd

[idle inlet]

At least we're good with windfury

Nvm something changed lol

[blazing jewel]

I mean not bad with it

But not frost dk or sub

[idle inlet]

Yeah but not good

Doesn't matter for my guild though cuz enhance doesn't exist

[pseudo hamlet]

Waste of keybind and useless ability

[clever kindle]

Seems perfectly fine in single target, but overall damage is probably getting bogged down by Nelth, Assault, and Sark

[thin scroll]

its crazy how much more complicated sin is compared to sub and not even higher dps in M+

I cannot compute sin aoe, so I just sub for M+

[vapid sierra]

were you msging him not to go sin?

[thin scroll]

kinda not cool tho

[craggy oak]

sin and sub are basically the same in aoe

[odd heath]

Very not cool

[thin scroll]

let him play sin

[craggy oak]

or you memeing

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-thats-not-cool-dude-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s3e4-gif-21551412

[vapid sierra]

kinda dick thing to do

[thin scroll]

sub is just go in, shuriken everywhere and big sec tech, then relax

[runic hinge]

Lmao. You can easily time 20’s as sin. Wack take

[storm forum]

whats the point of whiting out their name

if ur just going to leave it

[vapid sierra]

sin doesnt get oudpsed by a tank

[storm forum]

in the last line?

[vapid sierra]

sin doesnt throw keys

sure sub and outlaw are better but sin is perfectly fine to play even tho it might not be 100% optimal

your not mdi pushing, it doesnt matter that much

[craggy oak]

ss bp ss bp ss bp, fok ct fok ct ( both finsihers can be repalced with evis or envenom for prio) the only difference is the opener which adds ic, gar rup, then they play the same

[storm forum]

every tank wishes their dps had Iron Wire

[odd heath]

And like, he is playing at the 10-12 m+ range... Very dick thing to do, to ask someone to not play a spec in m+ lol.. and then come post on Sin channel..

[idle inlet]

I feel like sin isn't that complicated in aoe isn't just dot enough for energy and then fok envenom or fok ct it's just that if you build sin for aoe it's st feels abysmal and it doesn't even do stellar aoe when talented for it

[keen spruce]

if zero is almost 3200 on sin then you can do your weekly 20s on sin

[vapid sierra]

in relation to sub and outlaw? Sure. in relation to completing 20's? No. I can guartnee you theres some sin player somewhere pulling more than 95% of sub players

[runic hinge]

You’re being a dick

[gilded oasis]

I go sin in keys all the time and do just fine ty

[vapid sierra]

theres a way to be constructive, and theres a way to be a dick about it saying hes gonna get out dpsed by a tank

[odd heath]

Bruh, the guy he was "helping" is playing on 11s range...

[gilded oasis]

also weird another Zar sin keyer

[vapid sierra]

how do you know?

[storm forum]

if someone walks into M+ as Sin, they understand they have to put in extra work to get the same damage as sub or outlaw, and they're willing to put in that work. so just like, let them be.

[grim tangle]

I mean you definitely shouldn't be outdpsed by a tank, that has nothing to do with playing sin though

[odd heath]

Rooski didn't block the nick for the guy. I just found his raider Io page lol..

[vapid sierra]

doesnt matter

lmaooo

[keen spruce]

i mean what key level are we talkin about here

[vapid sierra]

bro you can 3chest a +12 with 3 sin rogues

[runic hinge]

Lmaoooo

13

[keen spruce]

cuz like... if we're talkin about 25s then he wouldn't be askin for advice

[runic hinge]

We’re taking about a 13?!

[gilded oasis]

13s shit dies too fast no ramp time

also its a fucking 13

[runic hinge]

Gtfo

[gilded oasis]

chill

[vapid sierra]

if it was a 24/25 understandable you might want sub over sin but your approach wasnt it

[keen spruce]

and if we're talkin about 13s then him not doing as much damage doesn't fkin matter

[vapid sierra]

its af ucking 13, id bring 3 s1 survival hunters with me and not give a shit

[royal lantern]

what game do you guys play where people check the fking spec

[vapid sierra]

for raid? Sub is probably objectively better and easier to play

doesnt mean people dont play sin

[grim tangle]

people who think 2.9k io is high lul

[vapid sierra]

the gap is closer inr aid

[storm forum]

yeah with ur attitude they're looking for any reason to kick you lmao

[royal lantern]

i was playing assa only in m+ for legion/bfa and SL

and never got kicked/"no invites" cus assa lol

people see rogue and invite if they want a rogue

[keen spruce]

I did a 20 UR on my ratfuck warlock alt with no 4pc at 410 ilvl and did like 2k more dps than the tank and everything was fine

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[storm forum]

????

[vapid sierra]

wait

no

the fuck?

[keen spruce]

that's the aintnoway emote lol

[storm forum]

bro we're just tellin' you that it's a dick move to gatekeep in a 13

[vapid sierra]

whered you get me telling you to kill yourself over this

i sent that gif because i found it funny ur response was smh to the situation

[idle inlet]

Troll alert

[gilded oasis]

oh you let him how nice

[runic hinge]

Dudes straight trolling

[keen spruce]

ne he proved to you that he's ass

[craggy oak]

or he was ass at ass

[vapid sierra]

i can gurantee you theres some sin rogue somewhere who can out dps you in m+

[vocal oracle]

I'm o ly 2400 in, but I've never been denied cause I'm a sin rogue

[vapid sierra]

ur not in a position to speak, you woudlnt take a sin rogue to a 13

[vocal oracle]

um, try again

[vapid sierra]

if your so "high" io on your rogue you should be able to carry the 13

sorry, you decided to shit on him for playing sin

gfy

[runic hinge]

Please stop trolling

[keen spruce]

no one is saying sin is good or that it's as competative as the other specs. but there are sin rogues doing higher keys than you. and it's certainly fine for a 13... or a 20

and if the person did shit damage, it's cuz they're shit

[craggy oak]

lesson is, rather say what you did say, "you aware sin is kina bad in kes rn, but if you paly it you should do this instead" but all this kinda pointless

cos sin is never going to do anything in a 13

[vapid sierra]

have you not read a single piece of text in this chat? apart the trolling part?

[storm forum]

you showed us a pic of you being toxic after a key, and you expected us not to shit on you? Like what was ur plan here?

[vapid sierra]

read what shmeeps said

sums up ur argument

[nocturne lagoon]

Bro is a menace

[runic hinge]

I timed a 20 last night with a dk doing 74k overall but yeah. I’m out here getting carried

[odd heath]

Straight up trolling.. shoulda just get muted

[idle inlet]

But like it is acceptable if you know how to play it

[gilded oasis]

nah hes too busy jerking off to his trolling

[vapid sierra]

not a menace, just a dick

[royal lantern]

i srsly wonder what game some people are playing

some special healers always complaining that all people are toxic to them, yet all healers i know say that they never get any shit thrown at him

people that say that spec X is U N P L A Y B L E when they do fking 13 keys, like what the fuck are you doing

what game are you playing

world of "i wanna be angry at random shit"?

[keen spruce]

this is some real "1v1 me on shipment" energy

[vapid sierra]

our raider ios are completely irrellevant to the situation

[craggy oak]

wouldnt be taking the high ground with a score of 2900 btw

[royal lantern]

1v1 me in my bed, no condoms

[runic hinge]

Okay

[keen spruce]

[craggy oak]

niether are you with 2900

[odd heath]

I am 🙂

[vapid sierra]

the situtation is ur being a dick telling some guy not to play sin in a +13. Yes sub and outlaw are better. Yes sin can use some aoe changes. But sin is more than capable of doing 13s, and some 20-22's without an issue in terms of timming them. Meta only becomes relevant in much higher keys.

[royal lantern]

and you do, and then cant do a +13 key cus somone plays assa?

[vapid sierra]

help?

help?

[storm forum]

thats

[royal lantern]

and btw, for m+ assa is in a better state then it was for 80% of m+ existance rn

[vapid sierra]

u were being a dick

[storm forum]

just being toxic

[royal lantern]

like

its not unplayable bad lol

[storm forum]

no one wants unsolicited advice from randos

[vapid sierra]

advice?

u were being a dick

[runic hinge]

Oh god we’re feeding the troll

[storm forum]

no no

we're giving this guy advice

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[nocturne lagoon]

Its entertaining

[keen spruce]

bruh that is not advice

[craggy oak]

i think youd be better if you got more io

[keen spruce]

someone says "hey how can i play better?" and you say "just quit and play something else"

[craggy oak]

thats me helping you

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/joy-roblox-woo-sturdy-noob-gif-26212988

[craggy oak]

doenst feel like help right

[storm forum]

would it make you feel better if I said I was 2.8k io last season?

[keen spruce]

that's not advice and if you're so socially inept to understand that then this conversation is not going to go anywhere lol

[storm forum]

as sin only

[gusty mirage]

bro

shut the fuck up

[storm forum]

wow i didnt expect him to ask

https://raider.io/characters/us/whisperwind/Lanille#season=season-df-1

[gusty mirage]

don't come in here flaming people

[thin scroll]

he wants a dick measuring contest, dont do it

[gusty mirage]

this isn't the place for you to feel self righteous because you play a lot of m+

literally no one cares

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vapid sierra]

for flaming the other rogue...

[craggy oak]

you said dont do something

[spice spire]

I literally just read flame

This is becoming victim complex

Don’t flame people

That’s the end

[signal badger]

In the end of everything sin is fine in m+ dumb to think otherwise, we can do 20’s and higher end of course there are better specs. Could we use an aoe change sure but the way it is now we fill the vault with little issue.

[keen spruce]

this whole conversation felt like an AITA thread on reddit

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

this whole conversation is about a mini-game in wow

[storm forum]

thats why i was enjoying it

[royal lantern]

@gaunt moat joined new guild

its a actually new guild, completely from scratch, had its first 2 raids last week

rashok just died in ~30 pulls

[gusty mirage]

M+ is a mini game

[royal lantern]

like

bruh

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[royal lantern]

that group is cranked

[nocturne lagoon]

whats ur io bro ?

[gusty mirage]

calm down mr. imperative

[gaunt moat]

was their first kill?

[royal lantern]

for 17people yes

[nocturne lagoon]

sorry master.

[gaunt moat]

very nice 😮

[gusty mirage]

don't make me call @stuck knoll in here to fight you

warrior on warrior violence

[keen spruce]

notter we gotta break out the lead pipes

don't let him pass us

take his knees out

[gaunt moat]

no disband

[storm forum]

carry me?

[gusty mirage]

no ones going to ban you

[stuck knoll]

Who do you need me to deal with

[sharp viper]

what is going on in here

[gusty mirage]

everyone just shut the fuck up about m+

[stuck knoll]

[gusty mirage]

justin's being mean to me

fight him for me

[royal lantern]

m+ brings the worst out in people

idk why people always go so angry over it lol

[stuck knoll]

You wanna get to O dog you gotta get to me

[craggy oak]

m+ is the main protaganist of wow, fight me

[vapid sierra]

wow does

[storm forum]

no shot we get to the next topic and he comes back and tries to steer us back lamo

[vapid sierra]

ignore

him

[nocturne lagoon]

[gusty mirage]

just everyone move on

it's fine

assassination sucks dick in keys

water is wet

the sun is bright

[keen spruce]

it is a little funny how much we complain about how bad sin is in m+ then when someone with a teal name comes in with that energy we're all like "DONT TALK TO ME OR MY SON EVER AGAIN"

[gusty mirage]

tomatos are a fruit

[vapid sierra]

my parents love me

[stuck knoll]

[vapid sierra]

(i hope)

[storm forum]

we take care of our friends

[vapid sierra]

have u not seen the meme? thats all im gonna say

[gusty mirage]

thank you

[royal lantern]

because its often really stupid things, like people saying "can i play the spec in +20?"

[gusty mirage]

that's all I ask

[odd heath]

Funny thing is that on the title range of m+, ppl are very very chill. I think the worst is ppl like 2 key levels lower than it, who think should be there, but pugs screw their score

[gusty mirage]

and y'all stop antagonizing him too

[keen spruce]

listen to papa oxi

[gusty mirage]

or I'mma throw this bitch in a 2 hour slow mode

[gaunt moat]

I'm here to uplift my fellow men

[gusty mirage]

say I won't

[vapid sierra]

YOU WONT

[keen spruce]

don't make him break out the slow mode

[storm forum]

ok i

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

wanted to let it go

[vapid sierra]

oh shit sorry guys

[storm forum]

but now i wanna see slow mode

[craggy oak]

slow mode or riot

[storm forum]

im about to say some gamer words about this guy ive already blocked

[gusty mirage]

do you shadowpriests enjoy spreading chaos?

[gaunt moat]

you won't

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

yes

[keen spruce]

slow mode this mods

[gusty mirage]

got em

[storm forum]

im not even a shadow priest

[gusty mirage]

nice name nerd

[royal lantern]

mate, its ALWAYS that way lol

mythic raiding in wr 200 and higher is often chill af cus people know that everyone plays good and does their best, nobody really will bring up stuff like "why dont you play spec x???? its better!!!!" cus they know the guy knows themself what is good

then you join a wr900 guild and get asked why you play assassination on rashok when most kill logs are as sub, meanwhile the assassination rogue is #1 dps on most pulls(totally not what happend to me btw)

[keen spruce]

FIX IT

[gusty mirage]

I will not

[keen spruce]

I DONT SMELL LIKE POOP

[gusty mirage]

stop making me look at RH at work

😠

[storm forum]

ill call hr

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hooker-funny-youre-a-hooker-gif-16626913

[storm forum]

and tell them ur on discord at work

[gusty mirage]

we've covered this

technically I am

[storm forum]

if you dont turn slow mode on

[gusty mirage]

I get paid hourly for my services

[signal badger]

I’m watching Netflix on our echo prog since we have people running to wrong spots with bombs, it’s a nice prog

Also I hope my rl doesn’t see this

[clever kindle]

I mean we're 1170 and I don't think anyone really cares that much

[gusty mirage]

queue up payphone by maroon 5

[clever kindle]

and we only raid 2 days a week

[vapid sierra]

i play cookie clicker

[gusty mirage]

that's what I did for all hundred odd pulls

[clever kindle]

I havent played sub on a single boss this tier

[gusty mirage]

I fixed it shmeeps

[signal badger]

Suits just came out and it’s been a fun watch so far

[gusty mirage]

you can stop being mad at me now

[vapid sierra]

i only touched sub on assault and sark

[clever kindle]

Try to find a guild without a GM that thinks hes Max

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

I was wondering why there was 300+ new messages in here

That was good popcorn content

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

hell yeah

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWwE_FFt3D4 this was on repeat for rashok

[gusty mirage]

tune in for AliExpress Consequence on Sark prog tomorrow

[royal lantern]

to late, took a screenshot and made a DM

[keen spruce]

ur goddamn right

[signal badger]

Hehe it’s okay I’m the token rogue for our “raid buff”

[gusty mirage]

they got a lot of time on their hands waiting for their energy to regen

[clever kindle]

hard techno only for rashok

[gusty mirage]

all 14 of them are very upset with you rn

[blazing jewel]

I didn’t get questioned when I was playing sin for a night on sark

[runic hinge]

Could never be mad at you dad

[clever kindle]

Look mind numbing and atrophic helped keep our tanks alive

[gusty mirage]

[vapid sierra]

im the only rogue

[storm forum]

is there a way to turn off the <blocked message -- show message> thing? like i dont wanna see this guy, get the tantalizing button away from me

[vapid sierra]

i dont use any poison gotta test the tanks

[signal badger]

Mind numbing on experiments was actually kinda nice tho

[vapid sierra]

yeah

they made me play wound on sark like the fuck

[clever kindle]

mind numbing actually is huge for some bosses because their autos fucking slap

[gusty mirage]

liar

[signal badger]

Ew

[clever kindle]

depends on your tanks

[blazing jewel]

HUHH

That was after the night was over

[royal lantern]

mate, lets be honest

nobody really checks what spec the rogue is playing anyway, you dont even see a difference in gameplay lol

when the mage is playing arcane? you see it

when the dk is playing unholy? you see it

when the rogue is playing assassination instead of sub? how do you even see it without actually checking dps meters, and you dont really do that during a fast prog night lmao

[blazing jewel]

Not during smh

[signal badger]

They would have to drive to my house and change my poison before every pull

[vapid sierra]

we had issue with adds in p3 so they amde me play wound. had to go sub to try and save some dps

[clever kindle]

Raid tools just gives you a list of your raid members with a grid of their buffs

[gusty mirage]

[clever kindle]

plenty of GMs do look that over before starting

[vapid sierra]

i tried explaining it wouldnt do shit since it was literally a heroic reclear

[storm forum]

wait do the adds heal?

[vapid sierra]

yeah

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

not a single hunter/monk/warrior lol?

[storm forum]

i hate adds that heal

[vapid sierra]

had 2/3 hunters, we have a war tank and i believe another one

[strange python]

i’m confuzzled is nel trinket better than beacon or nah.

[vapid sierra]

no monk

[gusty mirage]

how did you deal with the existenstial crisis that it didn't matter what spec you played

[royal lantern]

equal

both are rng shit

[gusty mirage]

where you're just shifting 2million add damage to the boss and vice versa

[vapid sierra]

whichever is highest ilvl id take

if same id take nelth since dont need to worry about using it

[gusty mirage]

how does it feel that no matter what decision you made

you were actually just there for atrophic

[blazing jewel]

Alcohol

[clever kindle]

2 mil to boss is yuge

[blazing jewel]

Jk

[gusty mirage]

you're right I should start drinking again

[clever kindle]

let your mages and evokers deal with stinky adds

[blazing jewel]

Drunk raid when

[clever kindle]

only plebians dirty themselves by damaging adds

[sharp viper]

[idle inlet]

[gusty mirage]

they're trying to meme me into playing outlaw

and I told them I would

because it literally doesn't matter

at all

[strange python]

i don’t got it how i sim it

[gusty mirage]

all 3 specs are dogshit at sark

[vapid sierra]

i miss outlaw

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[royal lantern]

you where cool once

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-crying-sad-reaction-gif-26025507

[gusty mirage]

don't look at my CN heroic parses

[strange python]

ty!

[royal lantern]

CN was a dark time man

90% of progress done as outlaw

[idle inlet]

Do you know how to use raidbots?

[gusty mirage]

outlaw was sick though

it had no conditions

[grim tangle]

we played 2 rogues on sark and we were both useless :)

[gusty mirage]

blast everything on CD

[royal lantern]

ye, SL outlaw was actually cool

DF outlaw is sooooo bad

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you looked cooler than everyone else

that's a dub

[clever kindle]

I miss flag shadowdust outlaw, but HO audacity isnt bad

but I dislike it with GSW

[gusty mirage]

I miss when my ST spec did ST damage

[strange python]

i’m new to wow but someone answered it so thank you regardless.

[royal lantern]

FUCK

NOBODY LOGGED RASHOK

CUS WOWLOGS HAD PROBLEMS

FUCK ME

[storm forum]

F

[gusty mirage]

if you got the r.io app

you did

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

just upload it

[royal lantern]

and again no rashok log

[vapid sierra]

raider io auto logs?

[gusty mirage]

r.io app comes in so clutch

[royal lantern]

idk, not logging myself cus pc not great and german internet is shit

[vapid sierra]

fuck that sucks

[gusty mirage]

community gofundme to buy tryan a 2023 toaster instead of the 2011 toaster he's currently playing on?

[blazing jewel]

doesn’t want to show the 6 parse

[royal lantern]

had 120k dps

idk how good that was

[blazing jewel]

I think that’s purple

[clever kindle]

I killed rashok with instant poison on last night

[marble hemlock]

Boss is dead so good enough

[vapid sierra]

only if its the speical model with one of those cool built in screens

[clever kindle]

just shy of 116k still

[royal lantern]

yes

guild is cranked af man

i hope it doesnt die

even thought im the guild killer

[clever kindle]

I was one of the last 4 people alive on rashok when he died

[vapid sierra]

we havent killed rashok yet

[gilded oasis]

our tank was the only one alive on kill

[vapid sierra]

we got expirements last week

slow prog

[idle inlet]

I would highly suggest checking out raidbots for some people nelth trinket is good but for others it can loose you up to 2k dps in comparison to beacon it all depends on each individual character. With perfect gear their is specific items you want but unless you are doing mythic reclears right now and +20s you should be simming yourself to know what trinkets and items to run

[clever kindle]

oh maybe I just overwrote my deadly poison after the fight or something nevermind

[gusty mirage]

hi seli

[clever kindle]

I did have deadly on

[gusty mirage]

I hope you're having a good day

[storm forum]

man no matter which spec i play i cant run from the doom

[marble hemlock]

I do not, hope you do

[clever kindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r17aMBZAhVbQpYzx#fight=19&type=damage-done Pretty solid though since I sim at just shy of 120k

[vapid sierra]

W

[gilded oasis]

our kill was like my worst pull all night as usual

[clever kindle]

signoll flare gang

(please send help or a beacon)

[idle inlet]

Trade you my beacon for your dbd

[clever kindle]

If you had asked me yesterday I would have said yes because I had a second one in vault

[idle inlet]

Lol fuck you

[clever kindle]

Look im like one week from crafting a darkmoon deck man

times are rough

[idle inlet]

I have seen only 1 drop and it was in a normal pug and it went to the outlaw rogue who did 30k dps and was alive the whole fight

[clever kindle]

normal pugs

[idle inlet]

Yeah it was ugly but Im down bad for dbd

[clever kindle]

son of a bitch someone was stealing my stats

[bitter compass]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[idle inlet]

I'm thinking of making a wa to tell me when my guildies with the cape are next to me so I can move away lol

[clever kindle]

I wonder though, I have negative haste

so it wouldnt actually affect me

or

[royal lantern]

yes

[clever kindle]

[idle inlet]

I didn't think about that. What does it do to you if you have negative haste. Give you even negativer haste

[spiral pasture]

man games in such a cringe spot, magmorax first kill 3/3 non crits 2 sophic procs

[clever kindle]

I actually have 4 billion haste

[rain oyster]

Any zskarn prog enjoyers in the chat?

[gilded oasis]

define enjoy

[clever kindle]

6 pulls so far

[blazing jewel]

Just kill the boss smh

[clever kindle]

70%, not much of the fight left right

[bitter compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[minor gate]

is the class trinket on tick or apply?

[livid wren]

Hello, I wanted to ask if there is a viable version of rogue assassination or better I'll switch to subtlety for M+

[thick sail]

Guys, on single target boss fights, should I maintain the Crimson Tempest bleed? I just got my 2 piece set bonus, seems like it might be good

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce How's Zskarn going?
or is your next raid only saturaday

[hot chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-show-fetish-the-series-comedy-series-web-series-paula-wheeler-gif-18864816

zskarn

[keen spruce]

just weekends ye

[void mesa]

99% sure you don't use FoK/CT on single target, better just pumping envenoms

[keen spruce]

you do not

[thick sail]

......oh

Well

I am dumb

[keen spruce]

eh it's a reasonable question. but it's not worth

thank god

[gilded oasis]

imagine if it was though

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce Let me out of this prison

[void mesa]

Oof

[gilded oasis]

depends on who you ask. Sin is more work for less damage but if you think its fun then play it. Its not a hinderance till probably 24+s. Sub is less work for big dammo usually. For most keys it doesn't matter, if you dont time there was other things probably going wrong with the key

[keen spruce]

it's can be a hinderance on totem bosses sooner than that

but for 99% of people sin is fine

[gilded oasis]

we dont talk about totem bosses

[keen spruce]

except for the getting invited to groups part

[gilded oasis]

we did BH on tyran with 3 classes that are apparently not great at quick totem damage it was big sad lmfao

[gilded oasis]

or getting flamed in 13s

[void mesa]

Question that may be opinion-based, but I'm doing H Sark prog and we've had some degree of add issues. Is going IC build (like an in-between build without CT) be an option, or would I be better straight up going sub?

[void mesa]

Don't XD

[blazing jewel]

Add issues shouldnt be your issue to solve if you get what I’m saying

[gilded oasis]

Yeah 2nd that. I feel like CT would be more useful than IC though.

[clever sapphire]

playing IC would be even more trolling, you can go sub to pad

[gilded oasis]

But still, not the biggest issue

[clever sapphire]

but there shouldnt be any add problems

they get moved into an ability, their healing gets removed, they fall over

[void mesa]

Hmm, interesting. I remember testing it out on the first few N kills and it felt like IC was lining up well with add spawns, but maybe I'm misremembering

[gilded oasis]

is everyone swapping and they still dont die? is the heal thing getting taken off them asap? are they staying grouped for aoe/cleave. Probably things to look at first

[clever sapphire]

sure it lines up, but you lose like 20k dps

on boss

[void mesa]

Yeaaahh....

[clever sapphire]

and do like 3k dps to adds

so not worth it

you are rogue

their existence is not your problem

[void mesa]

I guess I'm too used to being "in charge" of a few things on the raid and being the one to adapt

[clever sapphire]

also what zar said

[void mesa]

Maybe I shouldn't rogue 🙃

[clever sapphire]

you can play outlaw and turn on bladefury

[void mesa]

So plan is back to Dathea mindset 😄

[clever sapphire]

thats probably the most add dmg you will ever getr

[void mesa]

I can't OL for my life

[gilded oasis]

well just not sin rogue. Were good at training bosses not so good at quick add swap damage usually

although I am clowning on zskarn chasing golems around

[clever sapphire]

but imma say it like this, there was a sub in my boss kill on heroic, he was padding and he was 10M boss dmg behind me

but 10k dps ahead

[gilded oasis]

[blazing jewel]

Adds should get exploded by anybody with passive cleave if they have their monitor turned on

Like enh chain lightning

Dev evoker

Both warrior specs

[gilded oasis]

woah you guys play with your monitor on?

[void mesa]

Im starting to think maybe its our comp thats real low aoe :/

The issues of running 10man

[blazing jewel]

10 man

[gilded oasis]

I miss 10 mans fr

[void mesa]

I wish I had a 20 man group to atleast pretend to push Mythic 😦

[gilded oasis]

check and see if people are hitting adds maybe they think someone else will take care of it. its hard in a 10 man if you don't really have the cleavers but should be doable

[quaint nova]

Yo, this may be a dumb question, but why don't we run Exsanguinate?

[blazing jewel]

Put on boon

[blazing jewel]

Exsanguinate is bugged with dm don’t play it in any content

[gilded oasis]

Sub would be ok but just a weird bandaid. Sub ST doesnt usually take black powder so it would be a weird build or m+ build to sacrifice boss dam.. You could try jsut running CT, I know some assualt builds had CT in it but still boss dam then just try to get out envenoms for PB

[blazing jewel]

You can drop 1pt for bp pretty easy

Won’t be a ton of aoe but some

[grim tangle]

okay I will stop playing dm then

[quaint nova]

Got it, thanks

Def the reason my parses are low

[clever sapphire]

whats wrong with you 2, being sad over exsang actually finally gone O.o

(no front)

[thin scroll]

sadomasochism is a thing

[gilded oasis]

I was finally starting to like it

but only on pull I hate mid fight exsang

[quaint nova]

It's fun to use lmao

[gilded oasis]

it was way more fun when it was on short cd

[clever sapphire]

exsang and fun, now those 2 words are something i never heard together before

thats like sub and rotten

or outlaw and kir

[gilded oasis]

sub is rotten

[void mesa]

The list of "need to go farm M Vault" is growing

[clever sapphire]

or warriors and brain

warlocks and balance

[blazing jewel]

Also just to double check you know the adds heal right

[storm forum]

it's called affliction and it hasn't been played in years

[void mesa]

Yeye

[celest marlin]

yo coming back after 2y break, what spec is the go to for m+ and raid ?

[spice surge]

Literally whichever spec you prefer the most

Besides assa in m+

[celest marlin]

i like outlaw in m+ but i suck with it in raid

i love assa like 10 years in a row :d

but its not always the bis

[clever sapphire]

you can play assa in m+ too, but outlaw and sub are much easier to perform well

[gilded oasis]

it's not a bad choice in raid right now definitely doable. Sub is better I think? but play what you think is fun.

[placid wave]

Any mythic Sark rogue gamers care to explain some pros and cons of sin vs sub on mythic Sark?
Im still on Nelth, but im generally surprised at how few sin logs there are on a fight with a big haste amp.

[blazing jewel]

Haste amp is worse than it sounds

Sin more boss damage

Sub more prio add damage

[idle inlet]

Look where we are on pi chart. We don't care about haste amp

Pi as in power infusion

Not 3.14

[placid wave]

PI wasn't my question, its a fight with a haste amp that benefits sin more than sub. Both are quite even in general damage output otherwise so its a pretty viable question i think.

[blazing jewel]

Fight timing makes sin weird

Fight timing also makes sub weird

[placid wave]

Yeah does it? I figured the up/downs might ruin some timings

[blazing jewel]

So it’s a what flavor of 14th place do you want

[placid wave]

i just havnt pulled it yet

im sure theres a good reason

[blazing jewel]

For sub

Flag timing sucks

For sin

Sepsis timing sucks

[placid wave]

sepsis gonna be rough then eh

yeah alright

cool thanks appreciate it

[blazing jewel]

It’s not rough just not optimal

flag and sepsis are 1:30 cds right

P1 ends at around 1:40

So you have to hold them until about 2 minutes

[placid wave]

might just play by ear, think we're going to be rolling with 2 rogues perhaps we go 1:1 or something painful

[blazing jewel]

Sub imo probably easier to pull off but both suck

[placid wave]

yeah i only started to prep sin this week have done all the other fights as sub

it generically feels like sin should pull ahead in this situation but rip i guess

[blazing jewel]

Not to be a doomer

Let’s say sub is 5k dps higher than sin on that fight

You’re still going to be last place if nobody dies

It’s very minimal impact for which of the two you want to play

Kind of a show up for raid buff slot type fight

[gusty mirage]

do you want more add damage or slightly more boss damage without add damage

that's your starting point for deciding which

sub has perks where you're not useless on the adds in p2

and you don't have to stress about minmaxing the minigame

assassination has perks where you're not expected to do anything except hit the boss

and maybe interrupt a big add

[placid wave]

Is there a large incentive for execute damage in any way?

[spice surge]

Execute doesnt matter no

[placid wave]

sweet thanks

[blazing jewel]

You don’t phase the boss based on % so dam is dam

[balmy condor]

untalenting zoldyck rn

[woeful meteor]

Strats

Scent for more p2 dmg more value anyway

[blazing jewel]

why are you shit posting that’s my job

[balmy condor]

tell me what I'm getting for lunch

[blazing jewel]

Indian food

So you have to call for an emergency break during sark tonight

[balmy condor]

i dont raid wednesday

[blazing jewel]

HOF

Call in the rats it’s time to raid

[gusty mirage]

I hear elusive needs a rogue

[blazing jewel]

Idk if I’d fit in well there I’m kinda shy and breedable

[gusty mirage]

just drop a few n bombs

you'll fit in great

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

Oxi trying to make me something I’m not

[gusty mirage]

I am not

I am simply saying you can adapt to fit into any environment

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

OVERCOME AND ADAPT

[blazing jewel]

THE ANVIL HARDENS

[empty lava]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[abstract jacinth]

lets say my "friend" was pretty dumb and crafted slimy over thorns, on a scale of 1-10 how stupid would it be to use an extra spark to craft thorns over slimy, especially considering my "friends" haste is already lower than verse by a significant margin

p.s., I'm my friend

[vapid sierra]

well

do you have a mh crafted?

what have you crafted so far'

do you have toxic patch crafted?

[blazing jewel]

Sim robot time

[abstract jacinth]

yeah crafted a mh and toxic patch

[blazing jewel]

Slimy -> thorns was about 600 dps for me

[vapid sierra]

then i dont see what else you have to spend that spark on

but sim

[abstract jacinth]

alrighty thank you, also not going to lie, don't know how to sim an item I don't have but that I can google

[vapid sierra]

gear compare

you can add items

[tacit otter]

you can choose crafted items in droptimizer

[clever sapphire]

If you multispec you dont have to sim it. Slimy is better for outlaw and sub as far as i know

[abstract jacinth]

ya'll are great thank you, and I'm planning on only playing sin

[clever sapphire]

If you have a spar spark why not do it, small increase but still increase

[abstract jacinth]

yeah very true, I'll do a couple sims and see

[gusty mirage]

if your friend plays sub at all, I doubt that it was a dumb decision at all

[abstract jacinth]

fair, at one point I was considering sub as well but I've always like sin more, even if I'm terrible at it lol

[royal lantern]

im not making thorny until all other slots are filled

oh no, muh 3diget dps

the horror

[tacit otter]

did this week because only upgrade sad

[royal lantern]

wanna make a ring first next week

[gusty mirage]

slimy -> thorns was like

[royal lantern]

then thorny after that

[gusty mirage]

250 dps for me

lol

ring was 475

[tacit otter]

was like 600 for vers phial and 300 for crit

[gusty mirage]

and I press crimson vial a lot

[thin scroll]

got the feeling the price for ring mats will skyrocket when people find out that FR one sucks now

[gusty mirage]

so kinda not worth for me

[thin scroll]

so I will craft it now

[royal lantern]

most specs didnt use them anyway

[gusty mirage]

cuz yes, crimson vial procs the heal on thorns

and can proc every instance of the heal

I tested it

[thin scroll]

most casuals used it anyway I think lol

[blazing jewel]

Remember how I was optimizing gems and I got roasted

[thin scroll]

stonks ring mats

[blazing jewel]

Turning a new leaf are we

[gusty mirage]

I tested it when everyone was cooming over the DHs finding big gains on toxic thorns

[spice spire]

And I’ll do it again

[gusty mirage]

it was literally research for koji

blow me mr. consequence

[blazing jewel]

I’ll think about it

[glossy lagoon]

I am confuse on the timing of specific sepsis and what happens after the opener

[earnest remnant]

i remember those screenshots

just you going afk for 20 min

having it hit the dummies

[balmy condor]

droptimizer -> professions

oh

that was

a while ago

[balmy condor]

what's confusing you about it

[glossy lagoon]

So I know the opener, but I want to clarify on the idea that you play around your sepsis timer?

[balmy condor]

yeah so the general idea is the first garrote is as soon as possible to empower, and then the second gets held as long as possible to extend

buff lasts 10 seconds, so after sepsis expires you wait like 7-8 and then garrote

[glossy lagoon]

And when you don’t have cooldown up you use use multi (or rampage) to build and evenom to finish given that all your buff (rupture, snd, and garrot is up)

[balmy condor]

I assume you mean mutilate, yes

ambush with a blindside proc obviously takes priority over a mutilate

[glossy lagoon]

How does vanish jump into this, I remember you cannot use vanish as freely as if you were sub

[balmy condor]

you use it to make sure you get improved garrote uptime during deathmark

[glossy lagoon]

Oh because you are in stealth

So my goal is to get as much improved garrot uptime as possible

[winged veldt]

If I have one more sub 5% wipe on rashok imma off myself lol. Then again seeing zskarn chatter doesn’t look too promising to me finally getting a bomb lol

[glossy lagoon]

Oh rashok you know what coming, zskarn you not sure where to run where to stand. It’s a cluster fuck

[earnest timber]

RIP Found out the photo for the sim on fragment is gone from the pins, darn.

Was trying to explain to my guildmates that it is not that great anymore

[brazen lagoon]

Hey there, is someone willing to check my logs and help me improving ?

[spice spire]

Hi, yes, but before that check out wow analyzer for some basics!

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

@main vessel has done some amazing work with Assassination to make it a very decent way to catch a lot of the basic things

If you need some more help, don’t hesitate to ping me and I’ll gladly 🙂

[main vessel]

Oh, it was Quake

[daring trail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

[brazen lagoon]

Yup i already use it but i think i need better adjudtments in post burst phase, or maybe my items are bottlenecking me

[spice spire]

I’m driving Home currently, but if you ping me, it’ll make sure I see the logs

[brazen lagoon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mC3yL6rT1ZpMdGAH/

Well do it when you can its already super cool to help

Send me some dms ill take your tips

I really need to unlock the next step

Thanks à lot friend

[solid mica]

!whisypr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[solid mica]

ive kinda noticed if you run double sophic they always proc at the same time, do wafting and sophic do that too? or would they split and even out the procs?

[hot basin]

is zero haste fine on st?

[proper tapir]

Fine all the time, it'll be fine... Don't worry about stats

[balmy condor]

Stacking buffs like 2x sophic proc at the same time with double the agility. Wafting + Sophic would proc independently

[solid mica]

that's what i thought, is there any merit to using wafting if it's close maybe to lessen rng or is that cope?

[balmy condor]

I mean it would just kinda spread the rng around

Instead of hoping for 1 big proc you’re hoping for 2 small procs to line up

[solid mica]

i see makes sense

ty

[blazing jewel]

scale of 1-10 how bad will nelth reclear go with new people in

[void mesa]

P3/10

[runic hinge]

I might be drunk but is this the best spec in the game?

Like damn

So fun

[woeful meteor]

should be fine with small bombs unless you replaced like 10 people

[exotic hearth]

With sepsis opener, we only use the end of sepsis buff on garrote right? Not both stealth uses right?

[weak horizon]

Nah it's both homie

[exotic hearth]

Then why does opening sequence only have 2 uses (begin from stealth and end) instead of 3?

[weak horizon]

This is only the garrotte from initial stealth and the first sepsis buff garrotte

[balmy condor]

Yeh

that doesn’t include the second buff

[exotic hearth]

Oh. So envenom doesnt use up the buff?

[weak horizon]

It's implicitly saying use 2nd sepsis buff garrotte at the end of the window

Yeah only special stealth shit does

[balmy condor]

Envenom isn’t a stealth ability

[weak horizon]

Like ambush and garrotte

Probably cheap shot too

Or sap?

Although idk if you'd ever use those outside of m+ special cases

[balmy condor]

Ye

Using anything other than garrote is kinda troll

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage I'm gonna make my first foray into holy channel in Pala disc

Wish me luck

[storm forum]

good luck!

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-gif-25910152

[peak bobcat]

Out of nelth prison

Time for lizard

Why does this boss hurt my ass so much?

[gusty mirage]

this is nerfed p1 too

few tips

feint fire breath clear

and feint last disintegrate

vial on cd

and pray

[peak bobcat]

I feint everything

Or instantly die

[gusty mirage]

p1 is a steep learning curve for healers

pre-nerf the raid was taking a combined 2.5 mil dps

[blazing jewel]

which one of you rats

played tempest on nelth

[storm forum]

I hate how hard it is to PUG as a rogue vs a priest

like how the hell am i supposed to gear this toon when it takes 2 hours to get into a key

[cerulean walrus]

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Just spend all day gearing ur alt

You’ve changed since your pfp became disc cat

[dusk void]

How worthless is Annulet after the 11th?

[spice spire]

Very

[storm forum]

:feelsdiscatman:

[shut owl]

When you apply to keys do one of two things: apply as sub and then change once you're at 5 and see if anyone notices (the spicy approach) or say you're a 'break the meta' challenger (the approach that gets you friends)

[floral shoal]

Apply with a healer. I pugged a lot at break the meta event. But normal season almost never. Last week my healer and I needed a last dungeon for vault so we pugged. Got a comment about my spec but nothing more, I guess they wanted to keep the healer 🙂

[grim jay]

So do the first thing since the only friends you need are in here

Dunno, I dont get more or less invites if I queue as sin instead of sub. Most people only care for class and rio anyways ig

[barren fiber]

ok, this is gonna sound silly, but i got a weakaura that says to put on instant poison instead of deadly

and now im doubting all my poison choices

deadly > amplifying > numbing/atrophic > crippling for pve

right?

[plain flower]

That weak aura is probably for another spec

[deep lily]

Are they going to give sin rogues a buf for the annult loss?

[vestal wren]

you can replace annulet without damage loss with good rings

blizz buffed other specs because they else would lose damage

[normal otter]

Sub gets 5% overall dmg buff 🥲 we want it too no?

[royal lantern]

that "5% overall" translates into "1k dps with max ilvl rings"

just saying

[subtle tundra]

Wellll.. In m+...

But we all know they don't care about m+

Otherwise priest would have been nerfed

[royal lantern]

correct

🙂

[normal otter]

😦

[final sky]

question, pins say that toxic spike is better than slimy in all situations, but all the top sin players on rio for m+ seem to be using slimy expulsion?

[peak bobcat]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[blazing jewel]

most crafted slimy first because they are bis on sub/outlaw

also werent simming correctly so they appeared to be very close to thorn for sin

but post sim update thorns are better

so most just didnt recraft yet most likely

[final sky]

ah ok, thank you

[royal lantern]

not a "top m+" player but its like

first slimy was the "best one" so i made them

simmed Thorny after the fix, its only like 340dps difference

i first craft everything else and then go for thorny

and slime is also best for sub/outlaw

[clever sapphire]

i crafted slimy with old spark, my first craft was a weapon, second toxic wrists and until i had my third spark it was discovered that toxic is better

so i had it easy

[vestal wren]

think the bottom line is, the diffrence is not big enough to make it a short term goal to replace

[brazen lagoon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

[brazen lagoon]

Toxic thorn in ST slimy boots M+ no ?

[balmy condor]

Thorn in both

[brazen lagoon]

K i wondered, everyone still plays slimy in top Rio and sheets putting both equally

[balmy condor]

Everyone crafted slimy before it got fixed

Kinda doesn’t matter

It’s like 300 dps at most

[brazen lagoon]

Great

Boots are 437 and waited for fix

So i can loot my last spark While farming aspects

300dps is 300dps ahaha

[clever sapphire]

i love how this question got answered by 4 different people in the last 7 messages

[solar tangle]

you can every week now craft a spark item.. you get one half from vault

[brazen lagoon]

Toxic thorn fever

[solid mica]

300 dps is like .02% when ur simming 120k

[royal lantern]

bUt iT mAtTeRs!!!!1111!!!!!

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

You have something in your eyes

[blazing jewel]

Go back to bed

[whole mason]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[abstract jacinth]

I simmed both, in ST it’s a 1200 dps difference thorn > slimy

[blazing jewel]

How down bad is your haste for that

[abstract jacinth]

It’s bad lemme tell you lol, I have ~8% and that’s with haste enchant on rings

[blazing jewel]

[abstract jacinth]

Yeah I’m working on it lol

[quaint condor]

my haste is dogshit rn too I feel you brother

[limber lion]

Mine is like 6%

Who cares

[spice spire]

Why focus on stats when you could focus on getting bitches (playing better)

[subtle tundra]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WALL

Oops I said a bad word.

[deft flicker]

Can’t get bitches, have scurvy

[spice spire]

You good?