assassination

[royal lantern]

until its mechagnome

[keen spruce]

dopamine go up

[royal lantern]

then suddenly belf is fine

[keen spruce]

not a lot of tauren rogues squeezing out that last 100dps

[gaunt moat]

That sweet sweet 1% crit chance

[balmy condor]

people just want to feel like their choice matters, and they'll justify it no matter what

[keen spruce]

I was right

it was bag of dicks

theivin vulpera

[steel ridge]

well 1% crit is nothing to scoff at

[clever sapphire]

their choice doesnt matter if it consists of turning ugly

and we all know a good lookin rogue is better than a tauren/dwarf rogue

[gaunt moat]

Talent trees before the after talents trees

[keen spruce]

i've been tempted to swap dwarf with how many uldaman's i scuffed last week

[steel ridge]

delete racials

[winter gale]

And with essence I go for mastery buff?

[gaunt moat]

Just don't wear cloak, cause i can't survive any bleed 🥲

[keen spruce]

sim the different options, if you're using corrupting rage then probably? if you're using vers then maybe crit?

probably depends

[balmy condor]

like 80% of the time it's mastery

19% of the time it's haste

and 1% of the time their character is giga scuffed

[keen spruce]

ye crit simmmed like cheeks for me

-400 or so off mastery

[normal mist]

Low high key miss legion weapons and their powers as they were

[keen spruce]

yeah they were cool

i mean we have most of the passives in some form just in our tree now

[gaunt moat]

Half our talent trees are just set bonuses from previous tiers and legendary items

[keen spruce]

i would like my deathmark to also do 1m damage plz ty

[balmy condor]

I mean

technically it does

[keen spruce]

no 1m more damage

[gaunt moat]

Considering how they've made the talent tree
I won't be shocked if that returns. maybe next expansion when they add another row

[limpid lava]

assa spell book is so funny to look at 😄

[winter gale]

Is something new confirmed for us in upcoming patch or we are postponed?

[balmy condor]

looking postponed

[winter gale]

Assa rework is like my monday morning alarm

[keen spruce]

even if they announced somethin this week that wouldn't really be enough time for testing/feedback

[winter gale]

But I dont mind, some1 needs to kill the boss as well 😂

[keen spruce]

and it would be turbo scuffed

[balmy condor]

I always get the PTR patchnotes delivered directly into my dms no less than 2 dozen times when I wake up on wednesday and I just see "NO ROGUE CHANGES?????????????" every time I open another dm

[blazing jewel]

ill add to that list

[keen spruce]

whispyr do something

call blizzard

[blazing jewel]

whispyr nerf rogue

[keen spruce]

snapchat realz

skype bobby

call the president

[balmy condor]

need to ask joe biden what his position is on rogue rework

[final tree]

people who are mad at no rogue changes didnt play rogue in SL

[gaunt moat]

Don't, you'll make him fall 🥲

[final tree]

legit gotten more changes already than we did the entirety of that expansion

[keen spruce]

I raided on outlaw SL season 1 until doomblade came out

truely cursed times for assas

[final tree]

remember when we were told we would get raid utility in the 9.0.5 patch interviews?

[keen spruce]

have you seen our atrophic poison

we're poppin off

don't look at ret aura, rogue has raid buff

[balmy condor]

I'm considering numbing on sark tbh

[keen spruce]

i have swapped between random / no non-lethal poisons

[left sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

and no one has noticed for 1.5 tiers

[balmy condor]

no non-lethals

wtf

losing damage for fun

[keen spruce]

just for science

to see if anyone would notice

not for like.. any meaningful amount of time

but if there's a missing druid buff

cancel the damn pull

defcon 4, scramble the jets

[balmy condor]

I was told to tricks adds in p2 sark cause devoker got aggro

didn't tricks

"thanks that was much better"

np mate

[keen spruce]

[deft flicker]

[gaunt moat]

[keen spruce]

yes sir i'll get right on that

[gaunt moat]

gotta have that sap for raid

[balmy condor]

my 15k fok hit is the difference for sure

[keen spruce]

very important

[queen pulsar]

Mindgames isn’t a priest talent ?

[keen spruce]

normally nimble fingers is on master poisoneer so i need blackjack

[gaunt moat]

At least take nightstalker or whatever it's called for the movement speed instead of sap

[deft flicker]

Why not 3.6% atro??

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

[keen spruce]

cuz i was chuggin my juice and rippin feint like they were gettin discontinued on rashok prog

free juice box is best juice box

[deft flicker]

Makes sense yea

[balmy condor]

if your raid leader can't tell a 3% difference

they're not gonna tell a 3.6% difference

[keen spruce]

and that extra .6% ain't gonna save our mage floating 2 stacks of debuff and getting a lava bukkake every wave set

[balmy condor]

shmeeps when rashok ded

[keen spruce]

last satruday

[balmy condor]

oh pog

[keen spruce]

0/3 beacon crits

leap during first two deathmarks

[balmy condor]

classic

[keen spruce]

barely scrapped a purple parse

[balmy condor]

that was my nelth kill

[keen spruce]

i wanna reclear and fix it

but it lookin like we' might perma extendo

[gaunt moat]

you just don't wanna to Zskarn

[keen spruce]

cuz we're a little behind

well yes also that

43 pulls on sunday, seems managable but miserable

big no fun

[balmy condor]

I know hall of fame guilds that are contemplating buying a skip from like liquid or whoever until they have the skip themselves, just to avoid zskarn reprog

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor you're lucky you guys killed it while still cheesable
it's so horrible right now

[keen spruce]

I mean to be fair, i think good guilds would have just smoked the dps check

[balmy condor]

so I hear

[keen spruce]

maybe a few of the guilds that like giga cheesed it

with 14 tanks or w/e tf people were doin

new zskarn has less health than kazzara

[spiral pasture]

150 wipes of pure misery on zskarn

[balmy condor]

[spiral pasture]

xd twice as long as kills now

[keen spruce]

jesus x_x

[balmy condor]

4 tank 6 heal

[keen spruce]

this is illegal

the extra annoying part about the new mini traps in the safe zones

is that they're kind of right where u wanna hide with lines

[spiral pasture]

i still cant get over the fact the guy who designed the boss killed it with chesse most likely extended himself and then made it absolute cancer for the rest of us

[keen spruce]

and i always get booped against the wall and slide into htem

[balmy condor]

didn't actually, they killed, recleared, did 3 pulls on zskarn, and then haven't raided for a week and a half

[spiral pasture]

LOL

[keen spruce]

[spiral pasture]

hes like "let me nerf the boss more before we come back to it but the higher ups wont allow me just yet" xd

[keen spruce]

his guild was probably shitting on him ruining their prog

"we're not fuckin raiding until you fix this you mfer"

[spiral pasture]

why would you not extend that

[balmy condor]

good extend

just gotta like

stare at that 5

[spiral pasture]

im stuck with blue zskarn until end of prog 😐

[keen spruce]

they didn't trust the 2 target assas pump on experiemtns?

[balmy condor]

and the hole in the middle

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

nah they killed on a day I couldn't make it

[spiral pasture]

imagine boss dying as you are 0.5 away from finishing beacon cast

[keen spruce]

ah

[gaunt moat]

i would take a 0 to not do that boss anymore

[keen spruce]

experiments kind of aids too tbf

SLG spell queuing

holding damage

"don't phase until 2nd bleed finishes or we're fucked"

o look someone's pet chewed on the bosses angle i guess we get extra bombs now

[balmy condor]

just play maplestory instead idk

:3

[keen spruce]

and that third guy will sometimes just deep breath instantly when he spawns woohooo

i should reinstall mushroom

how is new update

[balmy condor]

big

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/good-answer-family-feud-steve-harvey-black-family-thank-you-gif-19932744

[balmy condor]

each one of the level 200+ zones is dailies + mini game

but now mini game is weekly

took the time required to do all 6 zones down from like an hour 20 to maybe 20 min

very big

[keen spruce]

oo that is handy

[balmy condor]

event itself kinda meh

but it's timegated

and new class hasn't released yet

so kinda just chillin with that

[pseudo hamlet]

[calm ravine]

Does the back from Sark worth it in compare to 447 back?

[balmy condor]

it's more damage ye

[dark token]

Raid leaders don't understand experiments lol

You don't need to hold damage

[keen spruce]

i mean not anymore

u just smack them and figure it out

[dark token]

You never did

[pseudo hamlet]

HC back? It sims higher than mine 447ilvl crit/mast one

[keen spruce]

but an extra bomb set during prog was a big pain in the ass

or at a different timing

[dark token]

Yes the boss phases earlier and drops a bomb earlier

But it's not an extra bomb

[pseudo hamlet]

I think that he chest is the best option here. Especially knowing that I will be able to upgrade it to 447(?)

[dark token]

All you do is focus the 2nd guy instead of cleaving off the first boss

It kills him faster so it's still only 5 bombs

[keen spruce]

then you have more bleeds

i mean the same point could be made about slg

[dark token]

Let a few more bleeds go out it's piss lol

Legit half the classes can avoid or remove

[keen spruce]

it doesn't brick the fight but it's a huge pain in the ass to plan timings and raid CDs around one set of abilities

[dark token]

One extra bomb will often brick you

[keen spruce]

then just run into a completely different timing

[dark token]

2 more sets of bleeds? No one cares

[grim jay]

Why are people discussing actual things here rn? I was anticipating a hefty load of dooming with the patch announcement and "no changes"

[dark token]

That's why you just plan for the fast timing the whole time

It doesn't change

[keen spruce]

right but in prog you don't always get the fast timing

or can't get it

or whatever

it's hotdog water design that everyone's hated for years

just because it's on an early boss that you can just suffer through doesn't make it good

[winter gale]

Does anyone here knows, can I by any chance see how many ppl my beam killed on zskarn?

In logs*

[earnest remnant]

can go to replay and watch it

or find the time the beam went off on you and see who died to the beam hit

[winter gale]

Yeah

[minor gate]

breaks down and cries

[grim jay]

Easy 447 chest

Or you take the spark

[blazing jewel]

Think that’s a spark

[minor gate]

deffo spark

forgot that was here now

considering that deckbox trinket tbh

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

this pug is doin 30s pull timers

kill me

[minor gate]

you guys say no but i raise to you

[keen spruce]

oh

maybe take then

lol

[blazing jewel]

[minor gate]

doing pugs rn

for anything

[blazing jewel]

He’s down cataclysmicly

[minor gate]

is the annulet nerfed now or .5

[blazing jewel]

.5

[minor gate]

👍

[pseudo hamlet]

Wait! You can get a spark from Vault?

[minor gate]

half

[pseudo hamlet]

I was wondering if I should get the first chest and then upgrade it to 447:

[keen spruce]

u can buy it from the socket guy now

why not just catalyst pants

at 447

[pseudo hamlet]

Have them already on 447

[keen spruce]

o

yeah maybe the play the

then

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah the only thing that could've been an upgrade is chest... but I'd have to wait till 10.1.5 to upgrade it to 447

[blazing jewel]

There are so many upgrades for us rn

[keen spruce]

i've got like 6 pieces on hopefully future myth track

[blazing jewel]

Day 900 of asking for sark cape

[tacit wedge]

guildies trying to convince me M+ is more fun than D4, because i said i'm behind on aspect crest

[minor gate]

sarky man is a bust

time for the neopolitan man to catch these bleeds

[tacit wedge]

at this point i'm sure Bomb dispenser is just a meme, it only exist on the loot pages but actually as 0% drop, and it was made to bait theorycrafters

[balmy condor]

you're clearing backwards?

[minor gate]

lfr

[balmy condor]

oh

I forget people do lfr tbh

[minor gate]

i would like

a trinket

[tacit wedge]

Rashok prog tonight

[keen spruce]

LFR this week is gonna be 70000 evokers trying to luck into a leggo

[minor gate]

my run had enough for 2 groups

[tacit wedge]

man i cant wait to kill Rashok and discover that Blizzard outdone themselves in term of horrible mythic boss with Zskarn

[balmy condor]

I think you can wait

[tacit wedge]

i want to kill M Zskarn just to be disappointed that he still doesn't drop the trinket

so next time i see my therapist and he ask me why i'm feeling so depressed, i can just show him the kill video and the clear absence of bomb dispenser

just need 2 more crests to craft my toxic patch gear, so i can justify spending all my time having fun on Diablo again

[old jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

Dunno about you but I can always justify doing something that is more fun to me rather than something I seemingly dislike

[tacit wedge]

oh yeah, i'm just memeing, my officers dont give a shit

i'm always on time for raid, do good dps, and do mechanics

so they don't care if i slack on m+ and have fun on other games instead

it's a guild, not a jail

[winter gale]

He will die tonight for my guild

I was sarcastically being told that we will kill it once I stop killing ppl with beam. If I move to side with my beam and leave that middle clean, I dunno what else I can do.

[onyx crane]

Mark of Dargrul is simtrap right?

[keen spruce]

i mean it's just bad

i wouldn't call it a sim trap

it sims bad too

[tacit wedge]

our paltank was still stuck with 3P, we ran heroic, our warrior got mindcontrolled 3 times on Neltha, 3 times i did a full CC chain on him

[tacit wedge]

not a simtrap, it's just bad

[onyx crane]

it was for wrong discord lol but ty for reply

[keen spruce]

i mean if it's simming higher than whatever you have then i guess toss it on

[grim jay]

Good that whispyr is sleeping

Would get an aneurysm reading simtrap

[onyx crane]

he doesn't like simtraps?

[grim jay]

Rip

Oh shit no, stop before its too late

[onyx crane]

only regular traps

[grim jay]

[onyx crane]

uh oh

[balmy condor]

"simtrap" is just a braindead term

[onyx crane]

also whispyr

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr, get back to bed

[dusk cairn]

hi guys, how much haste is optimal for assassins

[grim jay]

I wouldnt go any lower than 69%

[tacit wedge]

0%, just aim for highest ilvl and sim gear upgrades

[still leaf]

haste doesnt matter much at all for us if im remembering correctly

[onyx crane]

nice

[tacit wedge]

there's no stat sweetspot, more stats=better

[dusk cairn]

i have 3% haste, 32% crit, 70% mastery and 12 %versa

[royal lantern]

somone said the word

not his fault

[tacit wedge]

those are numbers

[grim jay]

Numbers are great

[tacit wedge]

we love numbers

[grim jay]

But no 69% haste so its meh

[tacit wedge]

only stat that matters is leech because i refuse to be touched by those dirty h*alers

[dusk cairn]

hahah

thx guys

[minor gate]

common occurrence

[still leaf]

call to suffering just gives more suferring, more rng in your dps

[minor gate]

again

[still leaf]

bro what the fuck

[minor gate]

cant be more sufferent than this

[grim jay]

Why didnt you farm a dice tho

[minor gate]

i think the question is

why dont i have dice

[grim jay]

Do freehold, loot dice and profit

Ez

[tacit wedge]

farming in ARPG : fun
farming for a single trinket in M+ : pure agony

[minor gate]

any and every effort to replace these have not rewarded me in kind

[tacit wedge]

i looted 4 parrots in FH so far, i have this fcking parrot since S1 BFA

[still leaf]

i farmed like 30 fh runs for champ dice and already ready to burn out after i replaced it with raid trinkets this week anyway

[balmy condor]

things can be one of the following:

1. Bugged in sims, working in game (fairly rare but it happens)
2. Simming well but not realized in game
3. Accurate to the game

usually when people say "simtrap" they just mean the second point, with 0 thought behind it. Just "my log don't say number sim say sim bad simtrap item gg". And that's just the dumbest shit you could possibly do, because you're basically announcing that you have no clue what you're doing or looking at. Simulations are a tool. Tools are meant to be used. You don't blindly just follow whatever sims higher because the number go up. I'd probably argue if that's how you're thinking about the game, you shouldn't sim at all.

You gotta think about what you're fighting, versus what you're simming. If you're simming 5 min, a 2 min trinket looks pretty good. But if you're on magmorax and you're not getting another cast off, why does it matter. What's the point? Mark of dargrul is a frontal line, it will hit in sims. You have to be cerebral enough to stop for MAYBE 3 seconds and go "yeah idk, mobs aren't grouped up in a line a lot of the time, probably shouldn't do that". It's the same deal with fishing for poison bomb in aoe. Yeah sure it sims better, but if you're only hitting half the mobs with a poison bomb then your precious 1.3% increase in a simulation doesn't really mean shit does it.

And all of that ain't the sims fault. The sim did its job, which was comparing the options in a sterile, consistent manner. How you take that information and apply it to your gameplay is your own damn problem. The sim didn't bait you, you baited yourself

[royal lantern]

that would be avoidance lol

leech is ussules

[strange python]

simtrap

[royal lantern]

like, only does SOMETHING for healers themself

leech on dps does legit nothing

[grim jay]

Its one of those texts that I know the content of but I still read it out of enjoyment

And to respect the effort

[tacit wedge]

avoidance to avoid those weirdos

[tacit wedge]

idk either this season sucks, or i lost my thrill for farming M+ and i burn out really fast

[minor gate]

my trinkets have avoidance

[tacit wedge]

if i do more than 5 runs of the same dungeon, i just want to uninstall the game and log on League

[onyx crane]

https://tenor.com/view/astolfo-cute-astolfo-jenki-likes-astolfo-jenki-jenko-gif-23180764

yeah I get that, I think the trap part of the simtrap lies in the blind reliance on sim results rather than seeing what a trinket actually does.
Also I just reckon you prefered the 'other' kind of trap wink wink nudge nudge

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

good talk

[still leaf]

for me its mostly just playing wow way to much and hunting down bis, probably need a couple days from the game tbh

[tacit wedge]

i'm fine just raidlogging at this point

i dont want to chase m+ BiS

because m+ are just boring and uninteresting

[grim jay]

Its one of those moments where you realize why you are still awake

[deft flicker]

This deserves a TED Talk (or at least a pin/moroes command)

[tacit wedge]

they're either so easy you can time it with your screen turned off, or so hard it's like hitting a wall until it break

[balmy condor]

it's always interesting to me when it gets into the NA degen hours and EU wakes up

cause the weird twilight zone in the middle really shows how humans sometimes have the social skills of a brick

[deft flicker]

So it’s like 3:40 for you rn??

[balmy condor]

yea

[tacit wedge]

sleep deprived gang :)

[deft flicker]

Also when brick icon role so I can indicate my social skill level??

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

idk it's not that common of a problem

we've been squashing the whole simbait thing for the last couple years

[tacit wedge]

i miss the Infexious discourses/dramas

[balmy condor]

as the community at large gets more and more familiar with sims it'll go away

[deft flicker]

That’s good to hear

[balmy condor]

was a huge issue in like nathria

but it's calmed down

[grim jay]

Im actually kinda disappointed by the non-existent amount of dooming over 10.1.5 release date and no changes

[grim jay]

Especially around those hours

[balmy condor]

world is healing I guess

[clever sapphire]

sub rogues on sark be like "bro im just way better then you, look at my dmg"

[deft flicker]

Outlaws seem to be getting into the doom stage quite a lot recently, allegedly some of them were promised a ret-level rework

[grim jay]

Just kick

[clever sapphire]

ah its not my pug

im just here to maybe kill t without a boost

xD

[balmy condor]

them some interesting mfers

[grim jay]

Outlaws always were dooming, no ? I mean their state is special most of the time if not all

[balmy condor]

weird how they have the time to create delusions in their head between the hits of cocaine

[shrewd night]

Any bfa cannonballers

[sharp viper]

i need feelycrafting advice on what to get from vault

[shrewd night]

What sims best

[clever sapphire]

i legit brought up that as a theoretical ability for them to get a cooldown for aoe, didnt even know it existed

[deft flicker]

Nah, it’s usually a lot less prolonged than now

[grim jay]

Mr/Mrs Meownar, thats not feelycrafting

[deft flicker]

Bros be cooking a lot

[tacit wedge]

current stade Outlaw reminds me of shadowlands Affliction

[verbal mantle]

yo ass on my couch sims best

[shrewd night]

Feelycrafters should stub their toe on livingroom furniture

[deft flicker]

That’s multithreading

[tacit wedge]

with the 5 stages of griefing

[keen spruce]

i heard cocaine

what did i miss

[shrewd night]

the line

[grim jay]

I sometimes do that without feelycrafting

[keen spruce]

[shrewd night]

You can shake my meow any day

[sharp viper]

ye get 1 count of feelycrafting per stubbed toe, works post-stubbing too

sims coming up, lost my premium raidbots

[clever sapphire]

both drop, guess who rolled under a 10 on both

[sharp viper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afjVffavNfEJNbJXQCj3vg
either half spark for a crafted ring to get rid of that damn onyx before I get my hands on the echo ring or I save the token for a socket/half spark next reset

[keen spruce]

we just had double bacon drop

in this aussie heroic pug

[faint jacinth]

Aussie heroic pug sounds fun ngl

[shrewd night]

Why are you using gear compare for vault shit

[sharp viper]

cause it's easier than putting crafted shit into top gear for me

[tacit wedge]

least unhinged sim, using gear compare for vault 💀

[sharp viper]

already did top gear for vault earlier

[balmy condor]

gear compare for spark value is pretty legit tbh

I kinda like it

[deft flicker]

@balmy condor am I weird for talking about outlaws like that while genuinely liking the spec myself and wearing a yellow nickname??

[tacit wedge]

you're just a poser

[deft flicker]

Yea, ig

[grim jay]

Honestly, thats just me, but I wouldnt even have a yellow name if I would mainly play outlaw

[balmy condor]

yeah

[faint jacinth]

What do you have against yellow name

[balmy condor]

yellow names got some brain damage

never seen more unhinged group of individuals in my life

[sharp viper]

can confirm that

[still leaf]

honestly your weird for even talking here, this channel gives me brainrot

[tacit wedge]

Piss colour

[deft flicker]

😔

[faint jacinth]

What's wrong with unhinged

[tacit wedge]

You weren't there during the Infexious era

This was true brainrot

[faint jacinth]

At least yellow name isn't a 40years old spec

[sharp viper]

[grim jay]

Its all the negatives you could think about if you hear unhinged

[balmy condor]

you don't gotta prove the point man

[clever sapphire]

yellow name is reworked version of fury warrior, you can see the similiarities in their personality

[grim jay]

Are BM names also yellow?

[grim jay]

They wish to evolve into fury bois

[faint jacinth]

I'm switching to blue name no im fine I guess

[deft flicker]

Dam, shouldn’t’ve started that

[tacit wedge]

I'm never giving up my

[deft flicker]

Icon roles are below spec roles in priority, so you can be a blue/yellow with a KB

[sharp viper]

amazing

[tacit wedge]

I'm happy with my 40yo spec colour

[deft flicker]

Glad to hear that

[tacit wedge]

I'll always play sin, it's the only spec that has enough downtime to allow me to roll a cigarette during a pull

[deft flicker]

(I had it for a while too, but this type of red makes me feel sad for some reason. Good spec though)

[sharp viper]

what are you gonna do with all that free time if you ever give up smoking?

[tacit wedge]

Cocaine, obviously

[keen spruce]

i heard cocaine again

what did i miss

[tacit wedge]

The line

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-erlich-bachman-motherfuck-gif-8224886

[sharp viper]

24 minutes to recycle the same joke

[tacit wedge]

I'm going green

[deft flicker]

Intercept the line early??

[sharp viper]

warriors don't have intercept anymore since forever, only charge and intervene now

[deft flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ratio-pirate-ratio-meme-ratio-l-meme-no-wenches-gif-25172327

I don’t even like warriors

[clever sapphire]

proceeds to play the warrior version of rogue

how is it possible that i managed to find a pug to kill sark before i managed to find one for echo? (hc)

[grim jay]

Because the good ones seemingly already are at sark

Its so obvious man

[fallen raven]

i don't think anyone else has my colour + role icon combo (for good reason)

[faint jacinth]

This is cursed

[light mason]

Cringe

[faint jacinth]

HO icon would be better here

[clever sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft flicker]

I have a strong suspicion that you’re baiting me but both warriors feel very different to outlaw

[clever sapphire]

yap im just trollin, all i know is that fury likes to press glowy stuff and so does houtlaw

[grim jay]

Actually fury and outlaw are really close

[faint jacinth]

We even have charge what do you mean

[clever sapphire]

there i fixed it for you

[deft flicker]

Mechanically they might be similar, but somehow fury feels very… flavourless??

[sharp viper]

fury feels way more zugzug

[faint jacinth]

They don't have the rng spice

Changes the whole flavour

[sharp viper]

only 1 resource to manage

[deft flicker]

Like all I do as warrior is swing the thing. Nothing else

[grim jay]

So do you consider energy as a resource to manage on ol ?

Thats the first mistake

[deft flicker]

It’s a bar you can run out of even if played correctly, so yes

[faint jacinth]

You could play OL without seeing the bar tbh

[grim jay]

^this

[deft flicker]

The only decision you might make depending on energy bar is “do I press one of my energy buttons”

[faint jacinth]

Although when you don't get procs the spec feels horrible

Dmg too

When you don't have energy you can't even generate some

You can with blade rush but that's it

[deft flicker]

I genuinely tried to play warrior and find stuff I like but every time I’m sitting there thinking “what did I just play??”, as if there’s nothing even remotely memorable

[deft flicker]

Thistle sippy, blade rush, killing spree (depending on build)

[faint jacinth]

Don't have the juice

So blade rush

[deft flicker]

Ready every like 20s

[faint jacinth]

Should talent tea tbh my rng is abysmal

[deft flicker]

Yeah, people tend to like the sippy a lot

[faint jacinth]

Last raid I did less than 20 PS procs in 7 bosses

And even less ambush procs ofc

[royal lantern]

like?

what?

[faint jacinth]

I don't feel like I need it in sub tho

I'm rarely out of energy

Except in ST

[deft flicker]

Maybe not in this channel, but outlaws find it rather helpful for energy issues

[faint jacinth]

At least with ass spec you don't get carpal tunnel

[tacit wedge]

why would you hate the sippy

reliable "here we go again" button

[sharp viper]

true, the previous rogue from my current raid got CPS from playing outlaw

[tacit wedge]

what does CPS means in this context

[sharp viper]

cts*

carpal tunnel syndrome

[royal lantern]

pointless ability

rather fix energy managment

instead of a shity nostalgia bait button

that serves no purpose

[onyx crane]

My old wrists prefer low actions per minute classes

[sharp viper]

is there maybe some sort of APM tracking addon or weakauras?

[onyx crane]

Not that i know

But spammy classes do my head in, my reaction time is not what it was 10 years ago nor are my wrists

[royal lantern]

can bring the apm for all specs up with 1simple trick

play by using /cast abilityname

[sharp viper]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/apm-by-vinoh
apparently there is one, wanna see the differences between the specs

[solar tangle]

is there somewhere a tl;dr for sepsis usage?

[deft flicker]

#assassination-faq message

[solar tangle]

i found a shorter tldr in the pins ^^ ty

[deft flicker]

That works too

[subtle stream]

Sepsis flipping me back into stealth bars messes with my head.

[onyx crane]

my stealth bar and regular bar ar mostly the same layout

just one difference

[sharp viper]

sap and gouge?

[onyx crane]

and pickpocket :3

but they are on places where normal attacks would be

so my garrote is on the same spot

[clever sapphire]

my stealth and regular bar are completly the same

i have ambush on an extra action bar that doesnt change no matter the stance

[subtle stream]

I just need to replace some stealth bar stuff to match normal, or make some WAs

Actually, I just need to make some WAs anyway.

[brazen flare]

The only spells that will consume sepsis buff are garrote and ambush without a blindside proc right?

[floral shoal]

Macro a [stealth] and a [nostealth] together and put the macro on both bars same slot and forget a stealthbar exists.

[clever sapphire]

so i have stuff thats like reactive always on q, shift q is usually stuff i rarely use and all the other slots are for abilities that i click. And my bottom bar where mut is is exactly like this in stealth too
Probably works for me because i use this layout for any spec/class i play

[versed canopy]

Outlaw is one of the highest APM classes. I enjoy high APM, but I was ready for a change of pace, so is witched to assassination

[subtle stream]

Can you sim the different choices for ominous chromatic essence? Also: Should we generally trust the bloodmallet secondary stat distribution grid or sims more.

Finally getting to a point where DRs kick in

[subtle stream]

But strafeeeeeeeeeee. I do like that utilization of Q though.

[keen spruce]

just sim the gear in your bag, there's no specific DRs or breakpoints on stats

[grim jay]

DR is irrelevant

Stat weights/distribution sheets are trash

[clever sapphire]

i think there is a thingy in tcresearch that you can put in the sim

[keen spruce]

and without using advanced sims, you just gotta run multipile sims

for essence

[clever sapphire]

ah different choices

ye multiple for that

[grim jay]

#tc-research message
For advanced

Thats the message with the ids

[clever sapphire]

i strafe with holding the right mouse button and press A/D

well actually no

i rebound that a long time ago, a and d are strafe

i dont even remember what button turns my camera left or right

[subtle stream]

Your mouse

[clever sapphire]

well ye but the factory settings has a and d as turning the cam

i rebound that somewhere

[subtle stream]

The nether

[clever sapphire]

probably

[gusty mirage]

Fuu added it so I don’t have to keep it saved

My hero

[solar tangle]

is there any smart way to track improved garrot with weakaura? improved and not improved have somehow the same spellid 😄

i know there is a rogue wa pack which can do this, but its somehow deeply bound with other stuff

[clever kindle]

there is the sepsis weakaura that can track that stealth timer though it still runs the issue of not seeing an improved garrote visually

[solar tangle]

ya

[clever kindle]

so you dont clip it by mistake

[solar tangle]

okay and one question regarding deathmark.. it duplicated existings dots too or just dots applied while deathmark is active?

[gusty mirage]

Can just yoink the garrote one from them. I think it requires custom coding but tbh I never looked deeper into how they track imp garrote

[clever kindle]

question about the opener for sepsis on my end, we're just destined to lose time off of our early improved garrotes right

[clever sapphire]

both

exsang only duplicated existing dots, thats why you couldnt apply a new one until the ones before fell off

[clever kindle]

That is to say, after we garrote on opener, then sepsis, there's no way to really extend them to maximum duration because of the sepsis stealth windows right

just trying to get the max time during cooldowns that imp garrote is up?

[gusty mirage]

For the first part of the first sepsis yeah, you sorta just take the L on it

[clever kindle]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

decentish vault

441 tier head is now 447 tierhead

[clever sapphire]

pog

i got 447 set chest, which i already had

then i killed normal and heroic zskarn for bomb

just to see that my ferals vault had bomb in it

lovely

[gusty mirage]

Pogga

[royal lantern]

bigger number=brain sends out happy happy chemicals

[minor gate]

if fragment is bugged in sims

how do you sim it

[gusty mirage]

You recode how it’s implemented in simc core

[minor gate]

ah

simple

[gusty mirage]

Ye not sure why mutilate isn’t dropping stacks in sims

But it’s sadly not a quick fix from my understanding

[cobalt hemlock]

i thought only reason why fragment is even good is exsang

[grim jay]

Why would that be the case

And dont say because it lines up with exsang

[spice surge]

But the correct number didnt go up in my vault

Atleast i could take half a spark and get my crafted ring a week early

[grim jay]

Best thing ever

[idle inlet]

Anyone else out here feeling the no dbd blues

[subtle stream]

I need to just bite the bullet and craft a mast/crit one

[idle inlet]

I wish there was a quick way to sim all the ring stats at once

Instead of inputting them manually

[ornate dawn]

Crafted the crit mastery signet today for a 1k overall increase and now the sims are telling me I can finally replace annulet with the haste mastery raid ring 👏 now just to get it to drop….

[eager sorrel]

From the DH discord, basically IRL shit + he gets brigaded in the communities.

[strange python]

I mean. I saw that. That's not really what I meant. We stopped getting much communication when the vault nerfs happened

[eager sorrel]

Tuning isn't a solo dev thing, it has been talked about in the past about how all the devs get together to talk about it.

Realz being the only dev that really engages with the community has had a lot of, displeasure vented his way across both communities.

I get it, 1000%, sometimes you don't have the drive/emotional space to deal with social media.

There is a reason 'community managers' exist for games.

[clever kindle]

We appreciate Realz but it's not like no communication on rogue changes or intent is a new thing. It has been a constant struggle for the entirety of WoWs existence

How is it you can have literal volumes of notes, explanations, blogs and feedback threads on Warlocks, Druids, Shadow priests, and Mages, but we can't even have a short blue post that addresses concerns

It's sitting in the dark having no idea the direction they want to take you that drives people to doom

[steel ridge]

this.

[clever kindle]

Beyond that I think people in the rogue community would love to engange and give feedback on changes, but how can that happen when for instance last patch Rogue changes got pushed 3 days before the patch launched with aura buffs

[minor gate]

10 keys later

the fruits of my labor

[gaunt moat]

grats

[ripe relic]

No that trinket doesn't exist.

[minor gate]

what am i losing

[deft flicker]

Horn go bye

[minor gate]

say

less

[ripe relic]

Personally I'm not a fan of iridius but you can do some silly things with it in a hero on pull situation.

I never had a horn though so can't say. I'm using a 441 bomb and 337 beacon nuke

[minor gate]

better than a 3 yrd swirls following you around

horn is a 3yrds from your location

[ripe relic]

Yikes that's tight

[somber fractal]

People have every right to be mad. This is a paid subscription game. How do they expect people to react if they advertise rogue changes in their big announcement for the new patch and then pull the rug out

Then they have the nerve to say the community is the problem

[ripe relic]

What changes did the advertise except now a 4% sub buff? Not completely In the loop.

[somber fractal]

In the big announcement post for 10.1.5 they said rogue changes were coming

[deft flicker]

“Changes are coming” in the initial 10.1.5 announcement

[gusty mirage]

[ripe relic]

I missed that. I see. Potentially last minute talent swap around. The rumor I heard was unfortunately focused towards outlaw.

[deft flicker]

The only thing that qualifies as a change is new dice buff for outlaw that got mostly negative reaction from the players

[gusty mirage]

Where did they say the community is the problem

Show me explicitly where anyone at blizzard stated that

[deft flicker]

Some stuff is on the way though, gotta wait till Friday and hopege

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to be real with y'all, if you're going to continue expecting something in 10.1.5 you're probably going to be upset and disappointed

set your expectations for something maybe in 10.1.7 or more likely 10.2

They said they're going to look at it, I don't see why they wouldn't. Shit happens

[gaunt moat]

But SURLY in 11.0

[clever kindle]

just in time for outlaws tier set fix

[clever sapphire]

i expect rogue changes till 12.0 so i cant be disappointed

[gusty mirage]

The guy in charge of rogue and DH had a sudden death in the family, if anything be mad at blizzard for putting him out on an island instead of having a contigency in place in case someone had to take personal time off

[gaunt moat]

10.2 is another 5% buff

[gusty mirage]

which is just a terrible business move

[clever kindle]

I think most people would agree it's egregious to have one person working on an entire class let alone 2

[gusty mirage]

but given the fact that they ruined half of their employee base by removing the WFH after 3 years with minimal notice

and lost a shit ton of devs

[deft flicker]

It’s not one person, it’s a representative of an entire team

[clever kindle]

If there's an entire team I have yet to see a reference to them, because it seems like Realz is the one who works on most of the fixes.

And if there is an entire team is there not one other person who could engage with the community

[gaunt moat]

It's always been that way. you don't need multiple people to work on a class.
Keep in mind this is their full time job.
The previous rogue dev (Sephuz) was in charge of 3 different classes during legion.

That being said, it could be argued that designing a more comprehensive talent trees that were introduced in DF, is more complicated than how it used to be in.

[somber fractal]

We have a major talent just sitting in our tree that doesn’t work. Imagine that being the case for any other class

[clever kindle]

Even just something acknowledging concerns would be nice. It seems to reason having more people working on a class would be better since you have more viewpoints and people who maybe say main each spec, there's under 15 classes it's not like asking for 2 primary devs on each is some crazy huge stretch thats going to bankrupt blizzard

[royal lantern]

can we stop the stupid US VS THEM stuff

cant see it anymore

[somber fractal]

Bobby says no

[gaunt moat]

You're right, but usually that could be the QAs

[clever kindle]

But at this point I'm just more annoyed with communication lanes then anything

[somber fractal]

What are you on about?

[copper hazel]

rogue vs any other class

he means

in terms of changes

[clever kindle]

Warlock Changes: Volume XIII Chapter 7 Page 452

we decided to buff them again because warlocks are wicked

[gusty mirage]

I mean of course there's a team

even when there's a head dev designing a boss

there's a team designing it with them

people underestimate how much effort goes into implementing anything into a game that's older than 99% of #outlaw

[clever kindle]

I could always message Xelnath on steam to see what the warlock team looked like back then, but Im pretty sure it was just him

that was mop though

[gaunt moat]

In the end it's the team lead (and above) that dictates where they should focus their attention
So it could be either bug fixing, new features, future features support or a rework.
But reworks would take the most resources i assume, so it's usually not on top of the list of urgency.

[clever kindle]

so times change anyways

[gusty mirage]

yeah back in the day they'd assign certain devs to classes

but before they lost half their workforce due to the "move to southern california or leave" policy change

they bought out that dev in Boston

with like 200 people

that's a lot of people lol

management at AKB is sus

tbh

[somber fractal]

You know what doesn’t take a lot of work. Like two sentences telling the community literally anything about their current plans

[clever kindle]

All I want is for someone to tell me why a talent like triple threat in the outlaw tree doesnt affect ambush when its in a specific tree limb with no connections dedicated to ambush modifiers

or why exsang is completely broken

(not that Im complaining about that one )

[queen valley]

idk why but i want to craft the hat

[royal lantern]

play destiny, the game has a few problems rn with stability and FPS drops and stuff

you read EVERYWHERE "just swap the engine omg stop beeing so lazy " as if thats a thing you do in 2 button presses,and as if that would solve anything and not just create new unknown problems

[queen valley]

cause people mouse over head first

[royal lantern]

the normal onnline game is not a smart person

simple as that

[gusty mirage]

poe has the same issue

"dogshit engine just fix it"

[royal lantern]

JUST SWAP ENGINE BRO

[gusty mirage]

which tbf

their engine is dogshit

if you have too many sounds your fps just tanks

for no reason

[copper hazel]

poe2 doe, fixin dat innit

[gusty mirage]

ye looks good

and don't get me wrong, I understand people's frustrations

I have plenty as well

but tbh blizzard's communication has always been dumpster tier

the new blood is trying to fix that, but I reckon a lot of upper management is standing in their way

[somber fractal]

It’s been pretty good lately in other places. They are just letting us rot for whatever reason

[gusty mirage]

and you're right, they should've 100% said "yo rogue things aren't coming because some issues arose"

and people would've at least been less annoyed

[clever kindle]

I hope mike ybarra is playing hardcore and wanders into a PVP area

in d4

[gusty mirage]

they could've kept it vague af

and just said "shit happened sorry, aiming for 10.1.7"

and people woudl've been pissed, but still at least been able to stomach it better

[somber fractal]

Or just dies in a loading screen

[copper hazel]

unfortunately, telling people "its coming, just not quite yet" is the kind of thing other people on the team will miss/ignore and the weeks of no comms on it timeline is really not long to them vs a lifetime for us looking at it in microscopic detail

[gusty mirage]

@copper hazel you see the clip of alkaizer one shotting people on his barb in pvp?

[uneven summit]

Annulet nerfs are not till the 11th right? cuz titan insight is outsimmin annulet for me with another 447 ring

[copper hazel]

looooool classic Alk

[gusty mirage]

I'll DM it to you

[clever kindle]

correct

Are you sure you have the single target gem in and not storm gem or something

[gusty mirage]

assassination actually replaces the annulet at a certain gear threshhold

so that's normal

with the socket I just got on my ring, my crafted 447 + 441 w/ socket beats my annulet

[uneven summit]

Yeah figured that was the case

[thin scroll]

"We were gonna bring rogue changes cause you need them but the management saw its one of the least played classes so we trashed all changes, gg"

[copper hazel]

classic management going off data

[gusty mirage]

@gaunt moat I spent all that time farming the uldaman ring

and the freehold ring sims better

what a time to be alive

I'm pretty sure I offered to have this shaman's babies in exchange for the ring

after seeing it drop 6 times and the other person kept it

[tacit wedge]

maybe it's a known info, but Luxthos updated his WA package to include the sepsis garrote

[spice spire]

It is known

And very nice

[royal lantern]

?

[gusty mirage]

mine has a socket

get fucked nerd

[royal lantern]

big

[gusty mirage]

no u

yeah that one was beating out the uldaman ring + the nelth ring at 441

prolly cause I'm at 43% crit w/ buzzing runes

[royal lantern]

yeha same

runes is 41% crit

[gusty mirage]

weirdly enough

swapping to the uldaman neck

is less dps for me

[royal lantern]

im actually quiet high in haste

10%

[gusty mirage]

even though it only knocks me down to 41% crit and bumps my haste and mastery up

[spice spire]

I have freehold and nelth ring at 447 one with socket

[royal lantern]

and 11% vers

[spice spire]

It’s the only thing I’m proud of

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire you should be proud of the man that you are every day

you're a wonderful best friend to george and a wonderful life partner to val

[spice spire]

I am not

[gusty mirage]

yes you are

be proud god damnit

[spice spire]

Ty tho

[gusty mirage]

even though you uninvited me from your wedding

[spice spire]

You were not uninvited

I’d never

[gusty mirage]

true you just never invited me

unlucky

[void mesa]

Question, on the sepsis opener, when/where would you put a Beacon use? I'm currently using Bomb+Beacon, I've been using bomb on pull and Beacon after the 10s but not sure if there's a better way

[runic hinge]

after rupture is what i think people are doing

[void mesa]

During the flag window, but before DM/Sepsis

[royal lantern]

flag window?

[void mesa]

OH

Im dumb

Been playing back and forth with sub and sin x)

So just slip in Beacon after rupture but before Sepsis/DM

[royal lantern]

was just a bit confused kekw

[gusty mirage]

if you're running bomb & beacon,
for sin: garrote > snd > ER > Rupture > Beacon > rest of the rotation (if you have bomb macro'd into abilities this'll make sure you can get every beacon cast off without a problem
for sub: you beacon before going into flag > rupture > etc

[void mesa]

I also confused myself hard x)

Any pros/cons with garrote>snd>ER>Rupture or garrote>snd>muti x2>rupture, as suggested with the picture guide in #assassination-faq ?

Now that you mention using ER faster, I feel like its just, better?

[gusty mirage]

from personal experience, it's a smoother ropener, and it puts ER on CD sooner

[deft flicker]

Picture is a bit oldge

ER in opener is tge move

[gusty mirage]

yeah the ER 3rd global thing is like a smol optimization discovered in the last 2-3 weeks

[void mesa]

I feel like its gonna help out having a faster and longer rupture early

[gusty mirage]

and you get a juicer 7cp rupture

[void mesa]

And also puts everything on CD faster by saving the GCD before sep/DM

[gusty mirage]

so you're juggling less while getting through your opener

[void mesa]

exactly

[deft flicker]

@gusty mirage where would you macro bomba as sub (assuming you’d want to do that)??

[void mesa]

Still learning Sepsis and its been very weird not hitting ambush 🙃

[gusty mirage]

I have it macro'd to gloom & evisc

[deft flicker]

So if you have beacon soon you hold??

[gusty mirage]

yeah or I just blast it and eat the 10s icd

as long as you get the first beacon cast out asap

it's sort of a non issue

cause you're getting an x amount of casts per boss fight

right

[deft flicker]

Yeah

[void mesa]

Unless your fight ends literally at 5min yeah hahaha

[gusty mirage]

ideally I'd like to not macro bomb

but I tried that and forgot to press the button

[void mesa]

I enjoy not macroing bomb 🙂

[deft flicker]

I was looking for something like BtE (stuff you press every 15-20 seconds)

[gusty mirage]

I went a minute before I was like "oh shit I should press bomb dispenser"

crits reset it faster though

that's the shitty part

so for sin I have it macro'd to mutilate and shiv

which I 100% recommend against if you have double on-use

but if you're stupid like me

just macro it

who cares

I had that icd ruin a magmorax kill for us 🥲

boss was at 700k hp

and I was evasion tanking it

[deft flicker]

Yeah, fair enough

[gusty mirage]

and I couldn't get beacon off

🥲

[void mesa]

lmao

unfortunate

[gusty mirage]

could've saved us about 15 pulls

🥲

[void mesa]

Gotta say, feels good to evasion tank the last 1% of a kill hahaha

[gusty mirage]

it was me and our mage left

and he was in ice block

it would've died to my dots

[royal lantern]

every long time rogue did that once during progress

[gusty mirage]

if beacon didn't crit

[royal lantern]

and its the ultimate moment

[proven jasper]

^

[gusty mirage]

you need a partner to pull it off like a beast though

I remember in sod

[royal lantern]

last man standing evasion kills are 10/10

[gusty mirage]

both tanks died

and I evasion tanked painsmith

to like 2%

[royal lantern]

last time i had it was during Raden in Nyalotha

[gusty mirage]

got the tank mechanic

[void mesa]

Im sadly just a scrub H prog person, but hey, still happened this week so I take em 🙃

[gusty mirage]

our DH taunted it and dashed across the platform

lmao

and I died with the tank mechanic

and we killed it

[gusty mirage]

hey man, heroic/aotc raiding is still like top 5% of all raiders

[royal lantern]

^

[gusty mirage]

might be closer to 10%

but still

you're in literally the top 10% of all players

that's nothing to sell yourself short about

[void mesa]

Its funny and sad cuz I realistically know its still decent

But whenever you look up stuff and help and optimization... Its all like "Doesnt matter for H anyways cuz overgear lmao" and thats still true

[blazing jewel]

Oxi is a 1%er

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

[gusty mirage]

I'm also a shitter

I have sub otps destroying my parses

unlucky

[void mesa]

But atleast im getting purple parses on H without being overgeared or anything so im kinda happy with it^^

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shithead-his-name-is-shithead-his-name-is-shithead-and-he-is-a-single-celles-organism-kitten-kittin-gif-26074720

[gusty mirage]

I play too conservative idk

stealthi pointed that out on dathea

he said I play too safe

[royal lantern]

same

i use feint/vial way to often tbh

[gusty mirage]

I lose a lot of damage because I feint/vial when raid damage goes out, and I overcompensate for mechanics

[blazing jewel]

That’s for prog but after that those are unbound

[void mesa]

Should we play defensive or just call it healer mechs when raid wide pops up?

[sharp viper]

stats are going all over the place, but I do as the crys... raidbots sim guide me

[gusty mirage]

I can stomach wiping to enrage, I can't stomach wiping to dumb shit because I was greedy

[runic hinge]

if cheat isn't on cd are you really being that greedy?

[void mesa]

unbinding vial and feint feels... tempting, goddamn

[gusty mirage]

wait until sark

it'll be on CD

don't worry

[blazing jewel]

It was a meme

Don’t actually do that guys

[gusty mirage]

you just get ass blasted in p1

[sharp viper]

sounds like optimal usage of CD

[gusty mirage]

even with the 10% nerf

[void mesa]

Very stupid Q: does dying from a 1 shot (like, not a dmg ability) still kill you or does it proc cheat?

[gusty mirage]

depends on how much the hit is for

[spice spire]

Depends on how hard you got hit

[gusty mirage]

if it's beyond a certain threshhold you die through cheat

[void mesa]

Like staying in the underground in Sark

[gusty mirage]

oh you for sure just die

[spice spire]

Ur dead

[void mesa]

thats what I tho

[blazing jewel]

Like if Oxi hits me cheat will go off

[void mesa]

Cuz its not dmg right? Its just death

[gusty mirage]

also when magmorax decides to double hit you on the group soak in mythic

[blazing jewel]

But if quake does it’s too much overkill

[gusty mirage]

you just died

through cheat

very cool boss

[void mesa]

That sounds like huh

Past experiences huh oxi

[pure bridge]

Word, I dont think sims ever led me to any vers gem for sin.

[gusty mirage]

my raidbots told me to craft my ring crit/vers lmao

some wonky shit with the gear levels we're getting at

ngl

I might have to craft it crit/vers in 10.1.5

for when I play sub

now that the annulet is dead

[blazing jewel]

[sharp viper]

glorious days, that ring shall rot in the maw

[royal lantern]

solution for that one: dont

(played more sub then assa this patch btw)

[sharp viper]

due to m+ or are you raiding as sub?

[royal lantern]

m+

this season m+ as assa

yeha sure

kill totems fast btw

kill sparks fast btw

[craggy oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[blazing jewel]

Caught in 4k bozo

[royal lantern]

man

i know

and it sucks

sub in m+ legit drains my remaining brain mass

STORM POWDER STORM POWDER STORM POWDER DANCE STORM POWDER STORM SECRECT TECH STORM POWDER STORM POWDER

oh look im top dps

im so good

can spamm 2 buttons

[blazing jewel]

I was getting shit on by Bansh in keys last night

Surv blasts

And I’m shit

[subtle tundra]

i fucking hate how assa has ZERO aoe when ic is on CD. so if there's some small adds before another pull or whatever you do 0 dps to those
and its so much more many inconvenient moments like that

bcs IC is in the game

and we're balanced around it

fucking delete it already

fail design

[craggy oak]

preach

[brazen lagoon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[subtle tundra]

ill be back to pushing when i have fun on assa.
being sad while playing isnt fun

[craggy oak]

i want to live in a world where we not locked into the left side of general tree, so we can take dance, in this world ic is a aoe deathmark or jsut doesnt exist

[blazing jewel]

23 vp

Nerf surv

Op busted class

Overtuned

Too busted

[runic hinge]

year of the spear

[royal lantern]

mate, i have legit respect for every single survival player

that plays the spec when its not overtuned OP garbage

like

99% chance they just SLAM HARD

every single guild i was in that had a survival player? he was top dps

like, no contest

[blazing jewel]

Bansh thinks survival is the best in keys right now

And I think the best in raid but unsure on that

Think that was more fight dependent

[royal lantern]

mate

its funny

cus survival is actually the highest simming hunter spec so many times

like, im sure its the "Best" out of the 3 most of the time since...BfA?

its just that nobody is playing it cus its melee hunter and has no utility lol

[blazing jewel]

where bomba proc

[subtle tundra]

my hunter has some gear

too bad i cant be arsed to play

[light mason]

Sv slaps, the low utility and survivability is what gets you

Pet utilization is a headache for it

[blazing jewel]

Low utility and survivability HUHH

Hunter isn’t the most tanky class in the game but it is not squishy anymore

[light mason]

True, utility as in more for self preservation, not like soothe or traps etc

But turtle shell and self heal is meh

The stam buff was needed

[blazing jewel]

They also have bear when they play with a pet which is a good button

[light mason]

It was nice, but the leech off of a ferocity pet is too good

[blazing jewel]

That is bad what lol

Another defensive for one shots or a bit of leech

[light mason]

Yeah, but then again the comps I ran we needed the lust

so it was a little tragic

[royal lantern]

mate

you didnt saw the galaxy brain take somone had on the cursed website yesterday about hunter deffensives

[blazing jewel]

They legit have warlock hp

[royal lantern]

"hunters have bad deffensives, because when they used all of them, they have nothing to reduce dmg anymore"

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

i legit dont understand how reddit brains can be so stupid

[faint jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[royal lantern]

yes, when you have no deffensives, you have no deffensives

thats how it works

[runic hinge]

reddit is just hunter and warlock players so it makes sense

[faint jacinth]

built different

[gloomy dust]

Yoo I just got bomb dispenser. So I just macro it to mutilate and act like it's a passive trinket for the rest of it?