assassination

[bitter compass]

Anyone know what tinker goes in the tinker slot in the Vision Projectors??
(I dont engineer)

[gusty mirage]

prolly brez

[clever sapphire]

Curly fries are bis, gotta wait until next vault sorry

The worst thing is gonna be all the mosquito bites i get rn because 10 minute walk near a forest at night just drags all those shitters onto me

[deft flicker]

Life hack: keep open skin slightly wet, shitters don’t like that

Not sweaty wet, just watery wet

Or wear clothes that cover skin

[storm forum]

im a fan of arson

burn all the areas where mosquitos could be

[deft flicker]

So set yourself on fire (because that’s where mosyeetos could be)??

[clever sapphire]

Well getting wet is gonna be hard when it doesnt rain

[storm forum]

yes

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[deft flicker]

Bring a bottle of tap water with yourself

[storm forum]

what?

[gusty mirage]

nothing carry on my friend

[sweet dawn]

Cheers Assault

buff SP btw

[spice spire]

Name check?

[sweet dawn]

On who?

[balmy condor]

Need that spriest in my life so bad

[subtle tundra]

i kinda like feet

started as a joke

/srs

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[storm forum]

Hello 😉

[balmy condor]

😩

[clever sapphire]

of course the demonhunter is the only boring one

[sweet dawn]

Yeah I think there's only like 3 DPS without a hilarious™️ name

[peak bobcat]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wide ridge]

would be a giga belt if i didnt have the crafted one

[subtle stream]

.001%

Ugh

[deft flicker]

Belt is your patch item though

[gusty mirage]

ring is solid too

esp at higher gear levels

[wide ridge]

hmm onyx is getting gutted right

true i'll need another ring

[gusty mirage]

ya

assassination replaces onyx anyway

at high enough ring ilvls

[wide ridge]

does outlaw replace it too

[gusty mirage]

not until 10.1.5

[wide ridge]

🤔

imagine

[gusty mirage]

I've had plenty of rants about it dw

ring was supposed to be used for just 10.0.7

used until 10.1.5

[wide ridge]

yeah i remember that

surely our rework comes at 10.2 right

since we got the thick end of the shaft for 10.1.5

[oak sky]

Actually i remember them saying they wanted it used for prog

And then they would nerf it if it got used past .1.5

[half dawn]

anyone wanna take a look at a log i did for fun, I'm curious if I am fucking something up big time

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jCxBhLyWJAvzkXDt/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=15

playing around with Assa and wondering if I should use it on Rashok prog or stick with sub or outlaw tbh

so practicing rotation etc

Wowanalyzer doesn't reall tell me anything, except I delayed one ER during the fight

[balmy condor]

yeh

you didn't hold shiv for sepsis either

but looks good to me

[half dawn]

only 92% parse tho :/

ill remember to hold shiv for sepsis for the next time ty

[balmy condor]

yeh nice trinket proc

0 sophic during your opener as well

we love rng procs

[half dawn]

😦

[limber lion]

Bro no dh, no monk, no windfury. Legit missing all the raidbuffs, no wonder

[half dawn]

ngl i forgot about those 💀

[balmy condor]

yuh

[limber lion]

35% high, mine is stuck at fucking 8% MAX

Fuck that trinket lol

[balmy condor]

that's the first 30 seconds

[limber lion]

Great

[balmy condor]

procced 20 seconds in

just in time for deathmark to expire

[half dawn]

[limber lion]

Perfect timing

[half dawn]

have you guys played assa on rashok prog or another spec instead?

[balmy condor]

played assa on every fight

[limber lion]

Assa everywhere

Based gamers only

[hasty vine]

I've played sin for every boss so far but feel too squishy for magmorax lol..

[jaunty dew]

What on earth are you feeling squishy there?

Soaks?

[hasty vine]

Rot ig

[balmy condor]

healer issue

[jaunty dew]

Yeah didn't feel squishy there at all

HC or Mythic?

[hasty vine]

My sub has more vers and I can run the 10% DR during dance

Myth

[balmy condor]

[jaunty dew]

Well vers does make you take less damage so makes sense you'd feel less squishy but I honestly didn't feel it on my sin.

[hasty vine]

And felt bad swapping off crit phial lol

[balmy condor]

the extra 3% reduction from vers will for sure save me

[spice surge]

Rogue specs are balanced enough that you can play whichever one you prefer the most in raid

[jaunty dew]

Depends on the fight but yeah, 90% of the raid can be done with w/e

I just hate sin on assault

[signal badger]

Could also be high stacks on the soak, if ur other raid members aren’t helping out then you will get trucked

[balmy condor]

^

[spice surge]

Assault is a meme anyway, but true

[balmy condor]

that's sorta the only thing that could fuck you tbh

[jaunty dew]

yeah and no cloak cheat there

[half dawn]

which build did you play on experimentS?

[signal badger]

Check damage taken from searing heat, or look at how many stacks ur raid has under debuffs

[jaunty dew]

Just standard ST

[half dawn]

pure ST giga tunnel

you had others do adds?

[jaunty dew]

No

[balmy condor]

sin doesn't do add damage

hit it with a rupture and call it a day

[jaunty dew]

^

I just add my FoK

Get some poisons up and back to boss

[half dawn]

adds are evoker job imo, we shouldnt worry about those :/

[jaunty dew]

btw whispyr, the dps numbers on dungeonslice builds are out of whack

as in, numbers are gone

[balmy condor]

by design

[jaunty dew]

How come?

[balmy condor]

APL is a mess atm

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[verbal fox]

I saw assassination rogue changes in blue post from blizzard. Incredible!
Do not look on them! Do not!

[gusty mirage]

rogue is just miserable on magmorax

we have nothing in our kit for that kind of rot damage

[lyric crater]

feint should help when soaking the fire pool it aow damage

[subtle tundra]

leech

[gusty mirage]

5%

unlucky

[minor gate]

puts a dot on you

[balmy condor]

rogue is also miserable on sark

[minor gate]

born to do damage forced to use feint

[gusty mirage]

feint is actually the only reason we don't get deleted on sark

tragic really

[minor gate]

the healing we had was just enough to keep use alive pre nerf but now we lose more then half our health on raid damage

[earnest remnant]

was very nice of them to nerf leeching poison and vial

[balmy condor]

I'm getting cocooned every other pull almost

the dots just

melt me

[main vessel]

can confirm, I'm watching it happen

[balmy condor]

and then I stand in a swirl once

and cheat SHOULD have saved me

not really an excuse for standing in them ya know

but like

cheat should've been there

but it isn't

[gusty mirage]

healer issue tbh

[balmy condor]

because the dots ate my cheat earlier

and I'm like

well

fuck

[gusty mirage]

they're just not dumping heals into you

[balmy condor]

one heal

[gusty mirage]

someone queue the gromnak "HOW ABOUT SOME PRIO HEALING" video

it took us about 100 pulls for me to get any kind of love

lmao

I was just getting anally pillaged

for 100 pulls

[marble hemlock]

i got guardian spirit at the end of p1 every pull and it procced a lot

[gusty mirage]

well that's cause you cloaked breath

[marble hemlock]

i was asked to

[gusty mirage]

tell them to dispel better

idk

[marble hemlock]

only 2 priests

16 debuffs

so yeah, cloak was the play

[gusty mirage]

your other healers aren't single dispelling?

[marble hemlock]

well yeah but like... thats a lot of GCDs on dispells when its insane raid damage

[gusty mirage]

I mean better than wasting a GS on a dps at the end of p1

if I'm being honest

[marble hemlock]

i cloaked end of p1 for like 25 pulls, then healers said "can you cloak smth else", i say "i die if i do", they say "just trust", i procced cheat the next 3 pulls, then i got GS and was fixed

[gusty mirage]

I feint vial breath

and chill that part

people only die if they eat swirls

mfers pretending they're at cinnabon

[marble hemlock]

but yeah i think cloak at end is better, but we had to do smth with only 2priest

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean we have 3 priests

but we're only MDing 2

so

[marble hemlock]

lule

[gusty mirage]

and it's honestly fine

I've legit sat with the fire dot

almost full duration

and nothing's happened

[marble hemlock]

yeah like, i was super safe on 1st breath before i cloaked it

[gusty mirage]

if they asked me to move my cloak

[marble hemlock]

but i can see how its more comfortable for healers to not need to single dispel a bunch of debuffs

[gusty mirage]

I'd be like nah

[marble hemlock]

well i trust our healers, for the most part

[gusty mirage]

feint + vial + health pot and I still get super close to proccing cheat on that last clear

[marble hemlock]

GS does help a lot with the extra healing received

and its not like anybody else needs it

until p3

[gusty mirage]

idk

our brew needs it in p2

that void slash fucks

hard

[marble hemlock]

hm oke

i mean you have 2 so

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean comp impacts a lot of the decisions

[marble hemlock]

but ye, my point was, if you dont cloak last soak, then you need an external as rogue

[gusty mirage]

right

oh yeah

[marble hemlock]

cuz everybody has big mitigation rolling and you do not

[gusty mirage]

if you don't get an external on that glimmer

you're fucking dead

LMAO

cheat's gone

and so are you

[marble hemlock]

unironically think

elusiveness is the better play on sark

[gusty mirage]

I agree

you can already feint the big boy damage

• the 20% DR from feint on everything

and 10% from evasion

[marble hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

and it's almost entirely rot damage

[marble hemlock]

evasion in particular is smth people tend to forget about a bit

10% mitigation doesnt seem like much but considering its a useless defensive on almost all fights

[gusty mirage]

it's like a wish.com iron bark

[marble hemlock]

its still nice to have smth extra

[gusty mirage]

because realistically

what does cheat death save you from in p2/p3?

in p2? a cast getting off

which is usually a wipe

in p3 the dispels

but like

the real damage is the oblivion stacks in p2 and p3

which cheat does fuck all against

buys you like 6s of life

before you just rot

[marble hemlock]

in p2 it doesnt save you

theres no damage in p2 that can kill you unless someone fucks up (most likely you)

[gusty mirage]

yep

[marble hemlock]

cuz unless you get unnecessary oblivion stacks, you live

and p3 isnt big dam either

[gusty mirage]

it's just the dispels

which should be handled by healer cds

[marble hemlock]

ye but feint got you covered

on that one

[gusty mirage]

you feint

and pray

lmao

[marble hemlock]

and then you have 15sec of high damage before you go down, which is healthpot+cloak lol

[gusty mirage]

if you proc cheat you have a bigger issue than losing the CD

[marble hemlock]

ye i mean, you might be a bit sketchies there cuz you groupsoak first blackhole. we do double dispel with 0 stacks so theres basically no risk of dying

but yeah cheat aint saving you from dot

[gusty mirage]

we do double dispels with 1 stack

cheat will buy you like a couple of seconds

and then you die

[marble hemlock]

so you do

double dispel+blackhole soak after

and be at 4stacks already

[gusty mirage]

ye

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

end up with 4

ngl our problem rn

is people eating swirlies

[marble hemlock]

ye

most of our wipes were

barrage through raid or bombs fucking up

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[thick jay]

!foo

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vague widget]

Would it be worth it to pick up a chromatic essence to be rid of irideus? Assuming the same ilvl.

[gusty mirage]

yes

fragment poopy for assassination

[vague widget]

I love you Oxi, thank you lol

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

M beacon sims way better than the class trinket for me

Weirdge

[royal lantern]

because beacon is good?

and class trinket is the same...?

[tiny root]

Hey guys - dumb question I know, but there’s no actual difference between the 2 crafted rings right?? I ran it through my droptimizer and the one with the teleport is simming ~250 dps higher than the other one

I feel like I’m going crazy comparing the 2

[mystic peak]

no

[upbeat tinsel]

Can't put an embellishment on the port ring though if that's something you want to do now or in the future

[silk bane]

its most likely just margin of error. althought 250 should be slightly out of the margin so idk. either way theyre basically the same, u just cant push embelish on the tp one

[scenic thunder]

Really sad that shadow priests have aoe dot spread aka shadow crash every 20s and our carnage is 45s
Right now, playing assa on m+ its really sad, better than the other expansions, for sure, 45s its better than manual dotting every mob, but......

[tiny root]

Thanks for confirming! Wanted to check and make sure I wasn’t nuts

[wraith cosmos]

does our cd usage change whatsoever on forgotten experiments?

[proper tapir]

That's like a strat thing, maybe the raid leader says hold cds maybe not, idk. The only thing you may want to consider is using DM on the target in execute range

[signal kayak]

….seeing July 11th release for next patch and two notes for rogues…though rogues we’re actually being looked at this go around…what gives

[shut owl]

we have notes?

[signal kayak]

Well you know…2 sentences…

[shut owl]

"get bent outlaw. no more ring for you."?

[signal kayak]

Something about outlaw and 4% aura for subtlety…

[shut owl]

yes; to compensate for loss of ring damage

[royal lantern]

dont forget the announced another outlaw nerf

[shut owl]

oh? there were other outlaw nerfs?

[gusty mirage]

they're getting an I-O-U

[silk bane]

its more of a gameplay nerf not an actual nerf. probably a buff

[gusty mirage]

with the annulet nerfs

[signal kayak]

Could’ve swore during a Dev interview they said they were going to look at rogues… :needmorecopium:

[gusty mirage]

they are

just aint gonna happen by 10.1.5

optimistic guess, 10.1.7, most likely 10.2

it is what it is

[shut owl]

they did. they determined sub needed a buff when they took ring away, and outlaw needed to die alone

[royal lantern]

well, they allready said in those notes "we Look into ghostly strike effecting item effects"

aka

get bent

[shut owl]

oh; that's old though. we knew that was coming when they looked at sub interactions

I thought they already had fixed that

[silk bane]

i mean they also said theyre looking into exsang and the best they could come up with was bug out its interaction with DM so u dont play it. wouldnt count on that

okay thats enough dooming for me!

imma play sin on reclear today with 0% haste lowkey excited

[signal kayak]

Unless I’m missing something… I’ve been doing that just fine

[gusty mirage]

they specifically said they're looking at outlaw's talents interacting with items

vs before where they said they're gonna take a look at "all of them"

and proceeded to change them all except for ghostly and bte

lol

[silk bane]

oh yeah i tried it on dummies, legit 0% haste feels the same as 15% haste not noticable at all

[shut owl]

pretty much

[signal kayak]

Just wanted to see if someone had some secret dev news or something.

[gusty mirage]

but what will you do without your 1.5 energy every 1s?

[shut owl]

I want to achieve negative haste and see if it borks someones cloak or something. I'd love to see spaghetti code give the voice-wearers something stupid like negative haste... or just stack overflow for infinite haste

[royal lantern]

secret dev information: oxi is cute

[gusty mirage]

that dev must be blind

or have pink eye in one eye and got punched in the other eye

[hasty vine]

finally home to look at logs but this is before we stop soaking lol

[silk bane]

i really felt having to delay that one mutilate at 4:34 by .3 seconds. coudl easily kill my parse tbh

[gusty mirage]

it's tragic tbh

[signal badger]

lol

[hasty vine]

asked raid lead and he told me to stop being fast to soak

lol

[signal badger]

half ur raid isnt soaking, or you are staying alive longer, ignore after 2/3 deaths and hopefully it normalizes

[hasty vine]

that's just the first 120 seconds of each pull and i left out any pulls we wiped before 2:30

since the first 120 are when we soak

[signal badger]

also tell ur RL that the ranged arent moving and pray he listens

[hasty vine]

ya the strat was just having ranged stay on group soak and melee go soak one spittle

after doing the group one ofc

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I had a blast on magmorax

I got to stare at mages and hunters in front of me

while I was in the north pole soaking

[craggy oak]

like when they said they will look into exang later on 😄

[limpid quest]

hi

[woeful meteor]

?

[spice spire]

[limpid quest]

meant to say toxic boots

[woeful meteor]

same reaction

[limpid quest]

Tamara whats best boots was reading pin

Toxic Boots are better than slimy in all situations. This is simming properly as well now

[woeful meteor]

Toxic Thorn > Slimy > any boots since you would never use non embelished boots

[limpid quest]

ty

[gusty mirage]

slimy is better for sub

so if you plan on multispeccing

[limpid quest]

I made a pair of toxic boots, now I have the toxified armor patch, wondering how to apply to wrists? or do I need to make a pair of writs using a spark then it can apply to that

[upbeat tinsel]

The latter unfortunately

It's not an enchant it's an optional embellishment for crafting

[gray horizon]

hi friends i have a question about our opener?

[limpid quest]

thought it would show up when carfting a pair of wrists for like a public order

[gray horizon]

my quick sim opener is pretty different from the opener in the #assassination-faq

[still leaf]

blessed vault

[gray horizon]

should i do this? or just stick with the opener in the guide?

[woeful meteor]

that one

[runic hinge]

Do that one

[upbeat tinsel]

Dunno where your gear is at or what your spark situation is but the patch doesn't scale with ilvl so you could use an old spark for 427 (?) gear and recraft later with s2 spark. Made sense early in the patch but if you take a big ilvl hit maybe not

[woeful meteor]

its better by like .2 and feels smoother

[runic hinge]

The one in the guide got outdated like a week or two after but it’s a lot of work to update

[gray horizon]

i was gonna say, i tried it out on a dummy and it feels like SO much better

[limpid quest]

I was thinking toxic boots and trying to add toxified patch would boost my deeps, but if you item level is about 430 guess just best to keep toxic boots on sim done worry about having both embellishments right?

tx spreadsheet

[abstract jacinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[abstract jacinth]

how much better are thorn over slimy?

[woeful meteor]

depends a lot on profile

[gilded oasis]

stinky non-sin player identified

[gaunt moat]

Zskarn not nerfed.
Fuck my life.

[gilded oasis]

same feels

[inner temple]

man i read that as "got nerfed" i would like to shoot the messanger now 😦

[gaunt moat]

shoot the designer instead

[gilded oasis]

[keen spruce]

hey at least they nerfed kazzara

that was a real prblem boss that eveyrone was complaining about

[gaunt moat]

For pugs, yeah

[gilded oasis]

yeah, think of the pugs

[keen spruce]

fuk em

think about me and notter

[gilded oasis]

and me

[keen spruce]

and zar

[earnest remnant]

just kill Zskarn or?

[gilded oasis]

oh shit why didnt I think of that

[earnest remnant]

np for the enlightenment

[balmy condor]

silly zar

smh

[gilded oasis]

damn how did you know my secret nickname

[balmy condor]

[clever kindle]

accidentally killed rashok using instant poison

whoops

not bad though

[inner temple]

imagine having mages.....

we've been recruiting for int buff all tier 😦

[clever kindle]

[inner temple]

have a trial in now doing well, hopefully the curse is lifted but he's like number 4 so far 😦

[balmy condor]

we can't stop recruiting mages and locks

literally just an endless supply of them

[inner temple]

please share?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Recruit this pal

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

You’ve changed

You used to send me wild messages now I’m just a memory

[balmy condor]

diet pepsi lookin ass

[spice spire]

God damn

[clever kindle]

whats worse diet pepsi or crystal pepsi

[dark token]

Just wait to sarkareth where the mages do 1.5x ur dps

And ur bottom meter

Rogue problems

[inner temple]

we already have two degenerate yellow bars sorry :/

[spice spire]

I’m GM of my own guild wtf

[inner temple]

also, how old is this shit lol

[spice spire]

Idk a month or two

[inner temple]

hey congrats man, good for you 🙂

[spice spire]

Don’t (it’s awful)

[inner temple]

yeah i know, i have to play babysitter in mine too

[clever kindle]

I played sin for nzoth, we may have been low on the meter but we are big on boss dps

[inner temple]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet whale]

For as boring and rigid of a CD that Vendetta was, it kind of was also the GOAT CD to progress

[dark token]

Not on sark lol

[clever kindle]

surely ill be useful

[idle inlet]

How do I tell if I'm losing damage from doing mechanics bad on bosses or if I'm doing something wrong fundamentally with the spec?

[balmy condor]

knowledge

if you don't know if you're fucking up rotationally, you either don't know what you're supposed to be doing, or can't read logs

at some point you hit a cooldown or something and you're like "yeah that's wrong"

you just know that it shouldn't be there

cause it feels wrong

if you're not there yet, reading logs helps a ton

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[weak bane]

if you find yourself lets say uhh

[idle inlet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/89WgzjPXLK2Aqxhw#fight=22&type=damage-done&start=2410735&end=2573022&source=110 I am missing a lot of damage in this parse or is it because I don't have dbd or beacon or windfury

[weak bane]

heroic sark and you're 3% off a phasing when dm comes up

and you pressed it

[idle inlet]

Definitely did that week 2 3 and 4 and was wondering why my damage was god awful

[weak bane]

takea peak at the opener in the #assassination-faq you're shivving late

you can uhhh

find a log that is better than yours, but similar kill time

look at that players cast # s

see if maybe you're getting a few shivs less

etc

[idle inlet]

Yeah I've been doing that I think I understand the theory I just have been struggling to put it consistently into my gameplay

[main vessel]

check DMs

[spice spire]

Dry as the Sahara cuz I got no bitches

Unreal

[silk bane]

alright i found out tonight that 1) sin is like the most chill spec to ever play holy shit I was legit vibing on rashok tonight. 2) stats are a meme. i was out there with 0 haste 32% verse just banging the boss. 3) im bad at sin and had to switch back to sub to kill the boss lul.

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire #1 ethical assault gamer

[spice spire]

Boss dam gaming?

[blazing jewel]

yea

peep the kill time lmao

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

1/3 beacons crit on magmorax

rip parse

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

bro rogues like the biggest casino ever. did u crit beacon? ring proc'd? embel proc'd? bomb crit? yes? 99 parse. no? 2

[blazing jewel]

idk how eggnog ring is still simming bis for me

it did 46.4k on magmorax

[spice spire]

Bro what

[silk bane]

do you have shadowflame weaopn enchant?

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way dog

I’ve fully replaced both rings

[blazing jewel]

no the sim said to not use shadowflame

[spice spire]

I am clean

[blazing jewel]

im 1 wafting 1 sophic

[spice spire]

I’m still not on wafting yet

[blazing jewel]

it wanted me to go double wafting but I still like to play sub in keys so im not bricking both weapons

[silk bane]

huh weird, eggnong started simming giga low with double sophic for me

[blazing jewel]

ill do a top gear and send it in here

maybe im doing something wrong

[silk bane]

could also be a gem diff tbh

[blazing jewel]

I have an extra socket item

but im not sending it on a 441

this sim is going to take 3-5 business days

[silk bane]

honestly jut craft a ring nex week or something

its super free now too since u can buy half a spark

[blazing jewel]

yea prob ring next reset

I crafted toxic boots this one

well last spark week

they were 650 dps for me

[silk bane]

for sin? yeah i might craft those too! lowkey i had so much fun with sin tonight

[spice spire]

Rings are the only thing I’m juiced on

Double 447s

[peak bobcat]

About to craft another ring

They sim the best for me out of every ring in the game

[blazing jewel]

dude this sim is still going

send help

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kDsYMUuYWZfXceC13fYALS

@spice spire

[earnest remnant]

this game is a cunt

2 backs

but the wrong ones

[blazing jewel]

yea but you got bis trinket

werent you asking for them

I got a 447 tuskar bone necklace

[earnest remnant]

unironically a bigger upgrade to take spark item

and make a ring

-.-

[drifting cloud]

think of the bag ilvl

[blazing jewel]

they have to limit your power levels

[drifting cloud]

scana limits his by playing eggnog ring apparently

[blazing jewel]

LOOK AT THE SIM

[drifting cloud]

let me see

[earnest remnant]

why does your assa only sim like 1k more than my sub sim

and you even recfated shit

lul

[balmy condor]

Sub undersimming surely

[earnest remnant]

it is

[balmy condor]

See

Propoganda

[drifting cloud]

more like assa oversimming

stupid ass 4p

[earnest remnant]

nah sub is acctually

undersimming

our shadow amps arent working correctly in sims

soonTM

[spice spire]

See you in ten

[drifting cloud]

does the bomb actually proc the ring that much or what

I havent simmed mine since Ive gotten it

[blazing jewel]

on average it said like 4 procs per 5 min sim

[drifting cloud]

ring is 1 or 2 ppm?

[balmy condor]

Think ring is 2

[blazing jewel]

its only having me proc it with bomba

[drifting cloud]

bro sim is fake for sure unequip that monstrosity

[balmy condor]

Surely

[blazing jewel]

arent the sim maximums pretty similar after the death of exsang

[earnest remnant]

if close you mean 5k

sure

[blazing jewel]

[drifting cloud]

I mean 5k is kinda close

[blazing jewel]

one beacon crit difference lol

[balmy condor]

I lost a rank 1 no pi today by 1.1k

If I had played sub I would’ve had it

[cerulean nest]

should I be trying to beacon during symbols or is that cringe

[keen spruce]

assas doesn't have symbols

[balmy condor]

Does symbols even work on that anymore

Thought it died with whitelisting

[earnest remnant]

the crit% yes

its just sheet crit

[blazing jewel]

I got rank 2 amalgamation chamber im not salty

[balmy condor]

Wtf cringe

[cerulean nest]

wrong channel lol

but word

[blazing jewel]

oh nvm rank 3

[balmy condor]

Why is sin the only rogue spec that has green text ethics

Bad game

[blazing jewel]

it doesnt

because it taxes our mental

non ethical gameplay

[storm forum]

why cant blizz just give us KB + DTB

[earnest remnant]

massive vault upgrade

[blazing jewel]

are you vers crit now

for gems

[earnest remnant]

in that sim yeah

but i dont really care

[drifting cloud]

I dont have a vault

[blazing jewel]

also that was 85% cr uptime

idk what you sim with

[earnest remnant]

85%

my sub is 126.2k

im simming assa atm

but it takes forever

[blazing jewel]

you dont even have the 450 dagger yet do you

how tf

[earnest remnant]

450 dagger is 3 ilvls

[blazing jewel]

but the clout

[earnest remnant]

its like 600 dps at best

mythic cloak tho

1200 dps

gimme

[blazing jewel]

yea mythic cloak is fat

do you have mythic beacon/bomba

im heroic bomb and normal beacon

[drifting cloud]

im gonna take nelth trinket

and unequip stupid beacon

[clever kindle]

imagine having trinkets drop in raid

[earnest remnant]

ive got mythic bomb

[clever kindle]

weve seen 1 beacon and maybe 3 bombs

[blazing jewel]

how close is mythic nelth trinket for sin

im not going to get a beacon for a while I think

[drifting cloud]

beats hc beacon

[blazing jewel]

too many m+ players want it in here

[inner temple]

only seen one bomb across all difficulties and it went tothe other rogue, im still rocking a normal beacon too :/ lol

[drifting cloud]

for me

[drifting cloud]

but nobody wants the nelth trinket here I think

[woeful meteor]

Thought you’re getting turned into a massive m+ player this season

[drifting cloud]

and mythic beacon id have to vault

[clever kindle]

signoll flare gang

[keen spruce]

i'd run class trinky over bacon

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[still leaf]

while everyones talking about trinkets, what should i macro bomb dispenser to?

[earnest remnant]

all of my sub upgrade in the raid

[blazing jewel]

how is your sub simming that high im confused lol

I feel like im pretty juiced

[drifting cloud]

you do less dmg as nelf, sorry you had to find out this way

[inner temple]

can i ahve your trinkets plz 😦

[earnest remnant]

without recrafting my gear

my assa sims 127k

xD

[woeful meteor]

On slimy boots?

[earnest remnant]

its with sub gear

so with slimy

with crit/vers crafted gear

etc

[clever kindle]

im 442 but only simming like 119k with crit vers gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u3KUWsmeMyFzAH6X7GuAgG well I guess just shy of 120k

[woeful meteor]

Took spark for toxic thorns today +800 decen vault I guess

[earnest remnant]

i might just take spark

to get 447 ring

dunno

[inner temple]

what i did, forgot to do keys last week on the rogue so spark was an easy win lol

[runic hinge]

I should’ve taken a spark. I’m stupid.

[spice spire]

I give up

Eternal sentry +150

I’m going to bed

[blazing jewel]

im being forced to do keys

someone hold my had

[tacit otter]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[visual hemlock]

@earnest remnant you have 7 sockets, does this mean lariant is now simming good for you?

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

no

[tacit otter]

lariat always bad, number of sockets dont matter

[grave ferry]

I feel like I'm playing my heart out and still putting up trash numbers. Would someone please look at my logs and let me know what I can improve? Much appreciated!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y4MTtzCkcdFRj8QG#source=5&type=damage-done&fight=4

[balmy condor]

Without even looking at the rotation it’s a 3min heroic kill where you’re missing a windfury and a demon hunter

[grave ferry]

Here's my mythic Kaz kill from last week w/ WF buff. I didn't get the memo Exsan was bugged until this week but perhaps there's something else fundamental I'm missing.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jn6fv7GNdFWQgPqZ#fight=9&type=casts&source=15

[tacit otter]

cursed killtimer + youre playing sbs for some reason. the exsang thing okey but why sbs?

[grave ferry]

I swapped to playing Sepsis this week after reading the pins

[tacit otter]

just missing out on that dmg + probably one of the worst killtimers possible. didnt look at rotation so idk

but i looked at your hc sark where your opener is really fucked

[grave ferry]

Yeah, I found that from Whispyr's post on method.gg. Opener completely different now that I'm playing Sepsis.

[tacit otter]

good thing you know what went wrong:) good place to start improve right

[grave ferry]

I'm at a loss how to do more than a grey parse

Does it really come down to ideal fight length and DH debuff?

[tacit otter]

in such a "short" fight the opener is important, so that maybe played a reasonable part

but ye raidbuffs and fight length are things you need to consider but you can probably do 95% even with bad timer + raidbuffs

[balmy condor]

Fight length and dh debuff can be like 10+%

Pretty quickly

[tacit otter]

ye difference between 4:30 and 5:50 is so huge

[balmy condor]

Killing at the end of a Deathmark/tier bonus and 10-15 seconds before the next is like 20% in some cases

Burst spec pov

[royal lantern]

tbh, grey most of the time means you died/got fucked REALLY hard by the mechanics or just play very very wrong

[blazing jewel]

people trolled my rashok

could have gotten a 4th

but didnt plan for it

[balmy condor]

Kill issue

[blazing jewel]

real and true

[balmy condor]

Would’ve never happened on a wipe

[blazing jewel]

fractual

raid trolling me

[grave ferry]

Here's a compare on that H Kaz kill. I notice the other rogue has 50% more melee hits and Envenom casts. How?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/kh1HF8wV3r7tg9LZ/hxQfzqDvMBjC8cdZ#fight=38,6&source=358,Jinjita&type=damage-done

[tacit otter]

wft i suppose

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[unreal parcel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor did you ever cook up a kingsbane build for the maximum 30s Assault pump?

[blazing jewel]

what ilvl are you

[keen spruce]

someone said you were messin around with it

[grave ferry]

440

[blazing jewel]

he has a ton more crit tha you

which would be more cp gen for more envenoms

and he had wft where it doesnt show you did

and 2 pis

[ripe basin]

also he had corrupting rage phial and u got tepid vers

[grave ferry]

Is corrupting rage what I should be using?

[ripe basin]

getting 2 PI's in a fight is pretty huge as well, try comparing to someone without PI's

[balmy condor]

Yeh swap dtb for kb, then drop blindside for ttb, zold for imp poison, drop cttc for something, your opener is gonna go gar gar snd er rup beacon sepsis dm shiv env kb, and then you pray to god that the beacon crit and you’re able to see your family again

And if all goes to plan

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d3NGjfVLcZxJAWyt/#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=14

It looks something like this and you got cucked on some rng shit and lost rank 1 by 1000 dps

No sophic proc no wafting proc

Playing the game without weapon enchants I guess

[gaunt moat]

what's the name of the crafted ring that's not titanic signet?

[pale knot]

btw can you upgrade any m + gear to 447 next patch or ?

[balmy condor]

As long as it dropped as a 441 I believe

[pale knot]

hmm so that means it needs to be from tha vault?

[deft flicker]

Any natural 441+ is on a Myth track

[balmy condor]

Yeh

no vault needed

just 441 nat

[deft flicker]

Heroic call trinkets and cloak can be upgraded as well

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-thats-pretty-good-good-pretty-good-gif-5074749

[balmy condor]

I decided to play it like this

[deft flicker]

For M+ though yeah, it’s getting stuff out of vault

[balmy condor]

but blindside giga not worth

and I think zold isn't either

might just be a 2/2 ip and fatal conc angle

[keen spruce]

is there any world where you just don't SnD

[balmy condor]

no

that's like -9002132193808%

[pale knot]

so you still need to be lucky and get the item from vault to get it to 447 or am i completly of the tracks here?

if its m + gear

[keen spruce]

i'll try to goof somethin together this week

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

you gotta snd or else you got no amp poison procs during deathmark

and that's just

terribad

[deft flicker]

Yeah, m+ gear needs to be from vault to be upgradeable to 447, end-of-dungeon loot just doesn’t drop at high enough ilvl

[keen spruce]

o troo

[royal lantern]

dont belive his lies

he just wants that #1 assault parse

[keen spruce]

our last kill was 40s

[balmy condor]

that's too slow

[keen spruce]

yeah

[pale knot]

alright tnx

[balmy condor]

think next week we go 1/0/19

and try for 25 seconds

[amber stream]

Good morning buds.

Is the no exsang opener posted somewhere?

[keen spruce]

without blindside maybe drop systemic failure for fatal concotion?

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq message

[balmy condor]

you want either ttb or blindside

[keen spruce]

well u keep ttb

somethin like this?

[balmy condor]

yeah okay so where you putting the cttc point

[keen spruce]

o yeah

scent of blood?

[balmy condor]

surely

+1% agi

it's either this, or ma

but idk bout ma

seems sussy

[keen spruce]

does MA work with beacon?

[balmy condor]

no

[keen spruce]

o nmv it's not sheet crit

[balmy condor]

we're not sub

or outlaw

not allowed to abuse external damage

[keen spruce]

and u just dump sepsis procs into ambush?

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess you can

I just vanished for 5cp gars

and ate the procs

[keen spruce]

yes chef

[amber stream]

@balmy condor is starting with a bomb charge before garrote any good?

[balmy condor]

bomb is off gcd just send it whenever you want

[amber stream]

Well noted. Thanks.

[grave ferry]

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep working at it.

[uneven summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

crafted rings already come with sockets, right?

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

of course my feral gets the freaking bomb dispenser

meanwhile my rogue only gets capes and necks out of raid

[winter gale]

For m+ horn trinket is amonst bis ones?

[tacit wedge]

another reset, another lack of bomb dispenser

[clever sapphire]

i dont think i have ever seen anyone use horn because its just so scuffed

[spiral pasture]

on sarka is it worth going down to get the haste before DM?

[gaunt moat]

Finally full shredder

[barren fiber]

up to how much crit should i consider going mastery as prio

is it 35%?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

until the sim tells you to stop

[somber fractal]

As long as I have beacon I will never stop stacking crit

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

nelths are rare

and go to boomkins

and probably DKs

before rogues

[spiral pasture]

i have one and its simming within margin of error, feels like nelth is even more rng than beacon tho

[keen spruce]

both very rng

but nelth one less button. if I get one i'll probably use it

[spiral pasture]

also if simming more than 5 mins i assume beacon skyrockets

which is a lot of fights

[royal lantern]

i have nelth, sims almost 900dps less

idk man

cringe af lmao

[primal jolt]

any of these 2 bis?

or rather which one is better

[royal lantern]

trinket

[balmy condor]

left is utter dogshit

[royal lantern]

and sim

[balmy condor]

middle is really good

right is trash ilvl

[primal jolt]

i got dice on me and drogbar rocks

[balmy condor]

then nelth for sure

replace that drogbar

[primal jolt]

aye ty

[balmy condor]

about what

[keen spruce]

💯

[balmy condor]

they're about the same idk

no rogues get nelths prio

they're both giga rng

yeah

I mean

happens

no respectable guild is giving nelths prio to rogues

would be braindead loot council

[royal lantern]

got my nelths cus everyone else had it

[primal jolt]

DONT U BETTER THIS BETTER THAT

i took my nelth

[royal lantern]

and then ut sims 900dps less then beacon

so it rots in my bag

[balmy condor]

yeh

if you're looking at short fights beacon probably better too

beacon timing good on mythic sark

[keen spruce]

i'd still maybe use nelthy

for less buttons

[primal jolt]

does it calculate the orb as if other people had it too

or does it count the raw ball itself

[keen spruce]

yeah this is with mastery for me and all buffs

it's not that good with no buffs

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk beacon vs nelths is just preference at the end of the day

the rng is going to skullfuck you regardless

[primal jolt]

kekw

i just wanna equip two dices

problem solved

[balmy condor]

dice got some good rng too

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/28gTrQzBYb3t1FCh#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=26

[royal lantern]

outlaw moment

[keen spruce]

rng certainly skullfucked me

[balmy condor]

dice is basically just rtb

sometimes you triple roll dice

and it's big

sometimes you proc nothing but crit solo

[primal jolt]

bro nothing beats drogbar rocks in dps

its actually op

[balmy condor]

compared to like 425 trinkets maybe

[visual coyote]

For this "Toxic Boots are better than slimy in all situations. This is simming properly as well now" on the sims whats the % of heal used?

[keen spruce]

drogbar very good if you just hit 70 and haven't gotten any good trinkets yet

it certainly out performs it's ilvl

[primal jolt]

BRO

I LOST

200DPS

BY TAKING NELTH OVER DROGBAR ROCKS

FUCKING HELL THIS TRINKET

[balmy condor]

it's accurate to logs

[keen spruce]

link sim

[primal jolt]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1wG1T2_ezkMlQd8x5Zy9uNI3cRPROwTj0okCDuDozmg/https/www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7B2LmtcvnYMoAdSq4HTktS/preview.png

rn

[balmy condor]

idk how much % heal that is

[balmy condor]

417 will do it

[royal lantern]

just copy the link

[balmy condor]

big agi proc on small dps number = not impressive

big agi proc on big dps number = more impressive

[keen spruce]

ye

[primal jolt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/37ktRJnhZSYCZg5vEy7f3M

[keen spruce]

just upgrade and hang onto the nelth till your gear better

[primal jolt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7B2LmtcvnYMoAdSq4HTktS

💀

[balmy condor]

oh god and you're missing tier too

[keen spruce]

oh i thought you said 2000

not 200

[primal jolt]

i didnt get a chance to play dps

[balmy condor]

yeh this isn't surprising tbh

[primal jolt]

ive been a healer this season

[keen spruce]

200 ain't shit. it'll be fine once you get tier and gear

[balmy condor]

your char just undergeared as hell

[primal jolt]

ye

[balmy condor]

so damage trinket will just do damage

and stat procs won't

cause ya know

no damage to proc on

[keen spruce]

more stats = stat trinket better

[winter gale]

And what about that experiment trinket?

[balmy condor]

what about it

[keen spruce]

it's good with all 5 buffs

flights

scaley amigos

[winter gale]

I have to take either that one 441 or 447 horn

[balmy condor]

chromatic auto-take

[winter gale]

OR socket

👍👍

[gentle flower]

you little qts

How long does rashok hit you after he put teh debuff on you

on searing slam

[gaunt moat]

How the hecc are you at 126.7k
i'm barely at 124

[gentle flower]

5 seconds>?

[keen spruce]

[gentle flower]

Or what

[gaunt moat]

is it more rage phial cheating

[keen spruce]

are u simming with corrupting rage?

80% rage

[gentle flower]

Does anyone know

[gaunt moat]

nah i don't wanna use it

[keen spruce]

ethical cheating

[balmy condor]

like how long do you have until he slams after targeting you or?

[winter gale]

He didnt craft slimey 1st I guess

[gentle flower]

yeah

[winter gale]

So 1 extra 447

[balmy condor]

idk maybe 4 seconds?

[gentle flower]

like how long do i have till he slams me with searing slam

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

3-4 seconds I guess

[gentle flower]

like 4 seconds or what

[blazing jewel]

47 seconds

[balmy condor]

not really something I think about or watch at all

[gentle flower]

on logs its 5 seconds

Oh

[balmy condor]

aight 5 seconds I guess then

[gaunt moat]

Why are you asking?

[gentle flower]

https://i.imgur.com/Wy5O4Yr.png

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s9EQAb2qShprz1SiUEqBsm

that's with vers phial

[gentle flower]

cuz im trying to time my defensive when he hits

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

That's still way higher than what i sim for

[balmy condor]

feint when he's in the air

[keen spruce]

you can shadowstep him while he's in the air

if he's targetting you

[gaunt moat]

I feint when he start to select a target
Shadowstep when he's mid-air
that's all you gotta do

[keen spruce]

i didn't press shit

[gaunt moat]

that's why you log 30%

[keen spruce]

sprint outta the fire

[steel ridge]

my vault was a big downgrade, because i race changed to vulpera

the whispyr experience

[keen spruce]

not my fault my bacon broken

[gaunt moat]

I have cloak regrets

that stamina loss is kinda really bad.

[keen spruce]

notter what race are u?

in game

[gaunt moat]

i was gonna say white XD

hahaha

Blood elf

[balmy condor]

I'll take it off your hands

[gentle flower]

Got the cloak from vaults

[keen spruce]

whispyr will give up 26k health for 700dps but then throw away 1000 playin a desert rat

[gentle flower]

😮

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

yeh but I do front flips

[keen spruce]

das true

u make a fair point

[gaunt moat]

how much dps are front flips

[balmy condor]

at least 5000

[steel ridge]

this

[keen spruce]

maybe i race change mechagnome

[steel ridge]

bag of tricks is just a shitty ability tho

[keen spruce]

and embrace the diaper baby life

[royal lantern]

did you ever frontflip envenom?

12/10

3000k dps instantly

[steel ridge]

feel like vulpera needs a bit of an update on bag of tricks, idk

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce I even crafted a ring today whihc was +1000 dps

[royal lantern]

why

i mean

[keen spruce]

uhh idk i have full sockets

[royal lantern]

if blizzard would care, racials wouls be disabled anyway

[balmy condor]

I don't even press it

[steel ridge]

i macrod it to healthstone now, its something xD

[royal lantern]

Sometimes when i have to run out, or when healtpot is on cd

[keen spruce]

3 sockets more than u is roughly 1500dps

nott

[royal lantern]

thats it lmao

[winter gale]

Is there a crafting simulation?

Like, what to craft next?

[royal lantern]

highest ilvl upgrade, idk man

[keen spruce]

didn't poison bomb used to be called bag of tricks when it was on the kingslayers?

[balmy condor]

droptimizer professions

[royal lantern]

no

[keen spruce]

i remember yelling bag of dicks a lot in legion

[royal lantern]

was called poison bomb aswell

[steel ridge]

i think i lost like 1k sim dps xD

[gaunt moat]

i'm missing only 1 socket now on bracers
(i'm counting annulet as having sockets)

but next week i'll craft the other ring and have a socket that actually gives stats

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

but man

imagine caring about sim dps

people always care about it and say its giga important

[keen spruce]

numba go up