assassination

[normal mist]

Especially on uptime

[keen spruce]

i mean most parsing at all is very much gear and rng dependent

[cobalt hemlock]

well yeah but you can impact your gear

[keen spruce]

and team

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah but to much less extent

[keen spruce]

like respectable gear, okay team, aim for >blue parses

as long as bosses are dying

[cobalt hemlock]

for mythic when you do all mechanics its cool yeah

[clever sapphire]

if im gonna ask for a log review in 1 week its gonna be like "ye you did everything well, sadly boss died at 5:50 so shit kill time, your bacon only crit once, your ring only procced enough to be 3% of your dmg, keep it up tho"

[cobalt hemlock]

thats how it can go

[clever sapphire]

and this is exactly why im only really interested in my logs the first 2 weeks

or 3

[keen spruce]

0/3 beacon crits and leap during my first 2 deathmarks

[clever sapphire]

damn you really had big impact on that log being only 75, should have vanished just before leap so you dont get it

[royal lantern]

yeha, sorry, you just played bad there honey

💅

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

bigbrain reddit takes going strong again:

Hunter is bad deffensive wise, because after you used all your deffensives, you have nothing against dmg anymore

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[cobalt hemlock]

lmao

[royal lantern]

when all deffensives are on cd, you dont have them avaible

[cobalt hemlock]

hunter brain

[royal lantern]

i have been enlightend

and thats only a Hunter thing btw

[clever sapphire]

well obviously

have you ever seen a rogue die before a hunter?

[cobalt hemlock]

lot of factors if you die first or later

[clever sapphire]

of course not, hunters dont have defensives after they are on cooldown

but only hunters

[cobalt hemlock]

i love when i use your cloak and its back up again imidiately

[clever sapphire]

(im hella bored and tired, dont take me seriously)

[cobalt hemlock]

im bored too

[clever sapphire]

ye right? because pull is over

because hunter died

now my cloak reset

[cobalt hemlock]

have to do my stupid m+ run for the week at least

[clever sapphire]

i only opened wow this week to check if i can make a vulpera rogue named bladefurry, after that i closed it

[cobalt hemlock]

in full group can be fine but pugging sucks so much

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure my vault is still full from last week and i havent done anything this week

[cobalt hemlock]

go open your vault and report what you got

[clever sapphire]

not even at home, so cant do that sadly

[royal lantern]

it goes on

"hunter has no passive mitigation"

WHO HAS PASSIVE MITIGATION??

do other specs just always take 20% less dmg?

[stray sage]

just play mastery survival hunter

[cobalt hemlock]

warlocks?

[clever sapphire]

didnt you know rogues passive DR?

its called having a brain so you dodge abilities so you take less dmg

thats passive for us

hunters gonna complain when they gotta move as a bm hunter

[solid mica]

"Rogue pumps" -every other class all the time

[vestal wren]

thats all bosses

[clever sapphire]

could this be inflated by assaults existence?

im not sure how hard you could pad on assault, but surely there is some shit where people farm logs on one side

[keen spruce]

from my experience, every not-rogue thinks that rogues are blasting

[clever sapphire]

just because rogues are good at their class and not rerolling every 2 weeks to the new fotm

and we have good TC so minmaxing is a lot easier with smart people

[solid mica]

Warlock tops meters-"youre insane!", rogue tops meters "rogues busted!"

[clever sapphire]

rogues should be praised more for topping the meters, its actually hard as a rogue with all these busted specs

how pugs think when rogue is on top: "damn rogue is busted and you guys suck so hard"
how pugs think when warlock is on top: "damn this warlock is a freaking gamer, imma simp for him"

[spice surge]

A lot of classes have 2-8% dmg reductions as talents, just like rogue has the -3% phys damage

But specs that stack vers have a lot of passive damage reduction, my sub gear has almost 15% DR from vers

[royal lantern]

when i waa doing more dps then the warlock/evoker/dk in my last guild all the time

and i said that its a problem, they should all do more by default

"no, rogue is just busted, ofc you are #1"

bruh

BRUH

you just suck balls

[clever sapphire]

and are you still topping meters in your new guild?

[royal lantern]

you mean like hunter has a massive hp pool trought talents?

🙂

[spice surge]

Yee but HP isnt as good as DR usually

But its good ye

[royal lantern]

on rashok when it gets near a kill, yeha im getting close to top1-2 all the time

but thats a given

[clever sapphire]

damn rogue is busted

[spice surge]

And its mostly BM, mm is still super squishy

[royal lantern]

long zoldyck phase

[clever sapphire]

ddoes rashok get some kind of dmg reduction in execute? Or how come execute is so good on him

i dont get it

im just a dumbo heroic raider

[limber lion]

More mechanics, harder to dps, people die more, overall dps thus lower

[spice surge]

The longer the fight goes the more mechanics you have to dodge and more healing required

[royal lantern]

execute is kinda long, lots of movment that makes ranged life harder for once

[clever sapphire]

i love rashok instantly

feck them ranges

[royal lantern]

its the best fight this tier

[clever sapphire]

thats what i always hear, only reason i became interested in maybe raiding again

but then realised that i would have to find a guild for that

then get there

aaaand i got off the hype train

[limber lion]

"Get there" ain't much

It's pretty much the first wall of the raid

[royal lantern]

and after him the Raid just gets worse and worse 🙂

[solar bramble]

well. . . . magmorax is worse but for a different reason. . zskarn i just hate with a passion

and the 1st boss, i hate the first boss. . . rng on if you get lazer and the only one available is so far out in left field it'd be a home run

[royal lantern]

if the only pool left is far out

ranged is actually griefing you

aka 99% of ranged players

[solar bramble]

the fight is on farm to such a point i dont' think many of us even pay that much attention to it. . .

but ya most ranged :(. . the melee pools also get eaten by the ranged half the time.

if there were any to begin with (evokers mostly)

[keen spruce]

we had to make the ranged stand behind the far puddles

fkin griefers

[solar bramble]

oh what was the command for whispyrs spreadsheet

since we no longer use ensanguinate i'm guessing that was updated already?

[clever sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[swift magnet]

Does the Beacon receive any damage amps from the assa tree?

[deft flicker]

Nope

[solar bramble]

not even MA to my knowledge. . . even though symbols of death crit rate does boost it

pft a lot of haste in the sin bis lol. . . i has sub gear. . . my haste is negative

i'll need 2 haste high rings it looks like, to balance out the complete lack of haste in sub gear

[keen spruce]

it don't matter

[clever sapphire]

there are assa rogues with 0 haste

or some with 20%

[solar bramble]

my sin odly sims higher than my sub which is funny. . . 96k vs 99k

[subtle tundra]

In no way that is odd

[solar bramble]

assumed sub was over sin. though i guess they were close enough that last 5% flipped them

[clever sapphire]

my sin was always ahead of my sub

[solar bramble]

they were always close for me. a few times sin was ahead a few times sub was ahead at different points of gear

[normal otter]

Sin is always ahead of everything.

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-drake-rap-rapper-gif-4878891

actually imma leave it at that, dont wanna argue since i only started in SL

aaaaaactually i can argue with a few points. S3 an S4 of shadowlands was outlaw only pretty much, S1 of DF assa was good for the heroic week, since then it has been the worst rogue spec slooooowly climbing to finally beat sub in full on ST setting

we are ahead in the stages of grief regarding changes, thats true

i love my clumsy little assa rogue as he is

[gusty mirage]

S3 of SL was outlaw?

That’s news to me

[clever sapphire]

was it S4 only? 🤔

[gusty mirage]

It was for sure s4 only

Their tier set was barely working all of s3

[clever sapphire]

welp i started end of S2, S3 i was still meh, S4 was when i started lookin into rogue discord

[gusty mirage]

They got giga buffed in s4 and then stonked the fuck out

[clever sapphire]

ye i remember, still played my nightfae assa for the memes

i loved me some haste circle under my little feet

[gusty mirage]

They only needed 25% buffs to all their abilities and an aura buff

Poor pirates got neglected

[clever sapphire]

atleast they got to keep their pistol shot legendaries

[gusty mirage]

We got to keep sepsis

[clever sapphire]

where is my deathspike, or sepsis legendary, or the sepsis circle under my feet that was probably useless but felt good

or flag

oh wait sub has flag

[gusty mirage]

You know the saddest part about no deathspike?

Is that it was worth like 100 dps in ST

And made bonespike insane in m+/aoe

They could’ve legit made it just baseline

And it would’ve been fine

[clever sapphire]

iiiiiii dont care, i am the AP/IC/CB player here that whispyr hates, i love me my good old aoe even if its useless in ST

[spice spire]

ST deniers

[clever sapphire]

i also enjoyed the deathspike outlaw gameplay in S4 even tho that wasnt bis

[gusty mirage]

Like there was legit 0 reason not to have it baseline

[spice spire]

I always enjoyed sbs gameplay

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I’ve been playing it since 9.0

[clever sapphire]

they could just replace sbs with deathspike and they wouldnt see much of a dmg change

but atleast it would feel good to use

[gusty mirage]

Yep

Would’ve changed nothing about it in ST

[clever sapphire]

its just smooth satisfying playstyle

[gusty mirage]

And been wonderful in cleave and aoe

[clever sapphire]

its coming in rogue changes, trust

[clever sapphire]

wasnt it broken in the beginning tho?

i remember someone saying it was busted

[gusty mirage]

It was in SL beta

It would do like a little aoe cleave on impact when you’d initially spike

Then that was removed

[clever sapphire]

baaaah that sounds even more fun

[gusty mirage]

Then we had the option of night fae and night fae

Until they giga buffed sbs and flag in 9.0.5

[clever sapphire]

i enjoyed me some nightfae gaming, you know, because it did dmg with vendetta and S3 tierset

i mean flag was still better

[gusty mirage]

They had to rework flag almost from the ground up

[clever sapphire]

only to now give it to 1 spec and without the legendary part

well done

[vestal wren]

beta sbs was bis

[gusty mirage]

It used to do like no damage and cost 2 GCDs

[vestal wren]

i want sl beta sbs back

[gusty mirage]

And if you didn’t activate flag the 2nd time you didn’t get the haste buff

But the problem is

[clever sapphire]

wait what, that sounds scuffed as hell

[gusty mirage]

Using it was a dps loss

[vestal wren]

flag goa lot of value from scars too

if you look at subtlety now, flag is not good because of the damage it does

[gusty mirage]

SL was a very very scuffed time for rogues

[clever sapphire]

i really dont understand why the only legendarry they kept was ER

[gusty mirage]

Akaari’s got gutted in beta lol

So sub went from giga to meh

Assassination was unplayable

[vestal wren]

assassination s1 was wild

from being undertuned

to being the only rogue spec you could play

[gusty mirage]

51% in aura buffs

[clever sapphire]

damn so i missed the best part of SL

the assa meta

[gusty mirage]

2 covenant reworks

Added cttc

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of SL was considerd bad for assassination

when it wasn't bad at all

[gusty mirage]

This channel was legit Cev, whispyr, and quake

For the first 3 months of the expac

[clever sapphire]

[drifting cloud]

I mean it was deserved lets be true

[spice spire]

And oshosi

[drifting cloud]

it was so stupidly bad

[spice spire]

Do not forget the goat

[gusty mirage]

Best part of SL for rogue was s2

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

All 3 specs were cranking

[drifting cloud]

has anything even come close to being as bad as start of sl assa

[gusty mirage]

Due to the domination shards

[spice spire]

Even m+ it was pretty nice

[drifting cloud]

maybe some guardian druid iteration

[vestal wren]

s2 was sub meta early on

[solar bramble]

ya flaggelation is only good for it's mastery boost

[vestal wren]

but then was split quite evenly between sub/assassination

[clever sapphire]

tbf it was probably only in my head, but the fact that you could only have 1 covenant at a time and they all played a bit differently made it more fun than having the covenants in the talent trees like currently

[gusty mirage]

Survival was absolute dogshit for a bit p sure

[spice spire]

Nah it was full sub meta

Sin just didn’t feel 10x worse

Just like twice as bad

[solar bramble]

i only liked flaggelation covenant wise. but i never played with shards of domination

[spice spire]

But st it cranked

[vestal wren]

s2 ha equal spread between sub and sin in logs

s3 was just

and everything after was just outlaw

[gusty mirage]

We got actually ruined with dom shards getting disabled

[spice spire]

Unpopular, I liked the 4p s3.

[gusty mirage]

We went from all 3 being great in raid to pretty much shit

[clever sapphire]

i remember that i started with assa in SL and there was a rogue i looked up to in the guild who was always beating me. I looked back at the logs now and he was doing 30s and i was doing 5s

[vestal wren]

s3 was weird to me

[spice spire]

I did not like some of the play styles it enabled tho

Sub 4p was dog

[drifting cloud]

s3 was better than start of this tier tbh

[gusty mirage]

All 3 tier sets were absolutely horrendous

[vestal wren]

assassiantion was basically not played even tho it performed on par with subtlety (or even better)

[drifting cloud]

its just everyone brought daggers forward so there was no need to go assa

[gusty mirage]

I remember playing sub on xymox

Getting sent to the platform

And proccing my life away

[drifting cloud]

and without the venthyr cev tech spec would have been big poopoo

[gusty mirage]

Then next pull 0 procs

0 dps

[clever sapphire]

but it was fun when you got the procs

[gusty mirage]

“What did you do different?”

[vestal wren]

i think every time you rely on rng

[gusty mirage]

“Idk man I rolled worse numbers”

[vestal wren]

you end up in a weird position

[clever sapphire]

same with outlaws pistol shot legendary, now its like baseline and you just assume you will have a billion pistol shots

[vestal wren]

last season legion was the problem

that your log depended on poison bomb procs

[drifting cloud]

poison bomb during MA in opener

[vestal wren]

pb procs during execute empowerment

also hope people die to slow down to get more procs during that phase

[clever sapphire]

dunno, those procs are what made it feel really fun imo. Even just the pistol shots, i made a wa and had it do a soundeffect when i got a proc

and that already felt good

[solar bramble]

i thnk i'm playing assass wrong even on a dummy. . . looking at logs for sin, even like a minute in their isn't much break between globals. . . I feel like i'm always energy starved lol

[clever sapphire]

or just spamming BP as sub because the tierset procced

[clever sapphire]

bloodlust, external buffs

thistle tea

[solar bramble]

but thsoe should fade by a minute in.

[vestal wren]

assassination was stronger on lords

s3 was just weird

[clever sapphire]

but it was fun

now i dont even remember what my tierset does

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they said they don’t want to design bosses that require weakauras?

[clever sapphire]

or half of my talents

[vestal wren]

i am honest, the most fun xpac i played was legion

[solar bramble]

they do look to be spread out a little bit much after 1m. but nowhere near the same degree mine seem like. . . compared to sub i feel like a slug lol

[gusty mirage]

Then I remember lords of dread

[vestal wren]

SL was probably the worse

overall

[gusty mirage]

Idk who decided to have an among us phase in a boss and provide 0 in game interface for the voting

[austere fulcrum]

It is pretty usual we all have energy problems/ down time etc but managing your tea and other tools for energy really important

[gusty mirage]

But they’re brilliant

[normal mist]

Guys i need help with this banter I'm having on guild discord with a hunter:
"Yeah must be cool parsing well as assassination rogue, while there are only like 5k parses, meanwhile hunters have 20k, a lot harder to parse well".
Assassination bros i need a good comeback to this

[gusty mirage]

They play a hunter

That’s your comeback

[normal mist]

Already used that one

[vestal wren]

tell them to play assassination rogue then

[solar bramble]

don't disagree with that. but i keep hearing that sin is mostly gcd capped. . . my sub very much is gcd capped for a long time. my sin is out of gas the moment thistle tea runs out

[vestal wren]

easy

[gusty mirage]

Also it’s harder to parse with less parses

[vestal wren]

it is harder to parse high

[gusty mirage]

Because chances are the people playing the spec are really good at it

The less popular it is

vs hunter

Which everyone plays and they play it poorly

[normal mist]

Thanks assa bros

[gusty mirage]

I don’t think I’ve ever met a hunter and was impressed

[solar bramble]

hunter isnt' even hard to play (bm that is). . . it has some neuanes regarding barbed shot timing but not a lot more

[gusty mirage]

The “good” hunters are actually just the least dumb

But they’re still dumb

Unlucky

[normal mist]

Well

This in particular is my gf

She mad

XDDDDD

[solar bramble]

i wouldn't say they're dumb. . maybe they just prefer a much slower spec lol

at least the better ones

if you do poorly on bm . . . you have physical restrictions, or mental restrictions

[normal mist]

She's like 95.x on normal aberrus overall

[austere fulcrum]

I think it is not ideal to compare sub/ assa cuz of different play styles. But I understand that it is slightly harder to manage assa durung fights.

[normal mist]

Rank 600 something

[gusty mirage]

Damn I’ve ascended, I usually only ruin my own relationships

[normal mist]

And she mad I'm rank 21

[gusty mirage]

[solar bramble]

managing sin i can do. it's the pacing.

but i'm not overly worried. i'd like better energy regen on sin but it's fine to be a bit slower

hell sub ocne it loses the 2 piece next tier will feel weird

[versed canopy]

@balmy condor I was reading through your recent pinned note about the AoE build and it mentioned using Cold Blood. What would be dropped in order to get Cold Blood for AoE? I cannot find a reccomended build using it

[clever sapphire]

Oh thats a hot topic

Do you mean with also playing AP/IC

Or regular build but with CB

[versed canopy]

with AP/IC

[brazen zodiac]

big unlucky

[clever sapphire]

It should be hidden somewhere in tc

There isnt a recommended build because you lose 20% ST dmg

The build exists

I play it and whispyr likes me very much for my builds

You probably shouldnt play it tho, there isnt enough gain in aoe where it would be worth the st loss

[versed canopy]

😦

[clever sapphire]

#1065730164077645916 message

If you really want it

[limber lion]

If there's 5 Assa parses and you get r3, you parse a 40. If there's 500 Marksman parses and you get r3, you get a 99.

If there is 19 Assa rogue parses and you want to get a orange parse or better, you need to get r1. Rank 2 is not even a 95

If there's 2000 hunter parses and you want to get an orange parse or better, you only need to get r20 or better.

[shut owl]

if theres 20 sin rogue parses, theres prolly about 20k hunter parses tho 😛

[limber lion]

I remember in SoD, I either got a r1 parse or a purple one. There was no orange/pink parses to be had because the pool was too small

Of course that all changes with time and the more people kill the bosses

[normal mist]

I'm about to roast that hunter to the ground (let's forget the fact i actually live with her and I'll sleep on the couch today)

[vestal wren]

you have less competiton tho

even tho not being rank 1 def. means a worse parse %tile wise

[versed canopy]

oh, you drop ER

[limber lion]

Have you not read anything I've said

lol

[shut owl]

my wife and I do that every night. when she finally beats me on a parse she has to gloat hard lol

[normal mist]

LOL

[vestal wren]

yes, and i agree with it

[shut owl]

then we check the logs and she's got 90% uptime on wings cuz folks are just falling off every 10 seconds

[limber lion]

You literally said the same thing I said a few lines ago

But alright

All good

[misty holly]

I only started doing Mythic raid and higher keys during Shadowlands. S2/SoD was the best feeling season for this spec by far. Rest of Shadowlands was meh for us, and so far Dragonflight has been too.

[limber lion]

That's a demonic take

You're probably alone on that

[clever sapphire]

I liked sepsis/deathspike S4 the most

If we are doing hot takes

[limber lion]

The one season where the RNG was the highest out of any other season in the existence of Assassination Rogue, ever

[clever sapphire]

But i also didnt experience much besides that xD

[limber lion]

If you crit with frost, you did good

If you didn't, you did bad

Wouldn't call that pogchamp best feeling spec myself

[vestal wren]

assassination was still fairly popular in s2

[limber lion]

Sure was, doesn't mean it's bad even if the shard design was terrible

[misty holly]

S2 I at least would keep up with the other dps in my M+ groups. S3/S4 was Survival Huntera nd Demo doing literally double my dps. I think I was only in the group to stun and kick.

[vestal wren]

it is similar to sub in s3

you had a lot of rng, not sure how much worse / better it was

[woeful meteor]

Ain't no way someone calls sod sin which was a less engaging version of s3 sin most fun

[limber lion]

Really?

Lol

Too bad 1-3 is grouped up like that

But Assa was definitely not good in M+ during S2

Like at all

[vestal wren]

think it was played in s1

but don't think i would associate sin with m+ in SL

[clever sapphire]

I was there to execute scary mobs or the affix mobs in S4

And spread my spikes to feel good

[woeful meteor]

While Rain of Fire and Bombs dealt more dmg to your prio target good times

[vestal wren]

sv was wild in late SL

[clever sapphire]

Ssh let me cope atleast a little bit

[vestal wren]

just for S2 - 15+ :

20+

25+

subtlety/outlaw are the bigger lines

[subtle tundra]

i was like half of that 0.7%

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[woeful meteor]

and zero the other

[vestal wren]

i mean 25+ was kinda

[woeful meteor]

if he played

[vestal wren]

i am not saying it was mostly one group

but

a very small amount of players (tho people did run 30, so maybe i am worng)

[limber lion]

Wouldn't call this especially stronk

A HOA26

[misty holly]

I just went back to check my screenshots, I always took one when getting a +20 key. I was right there with the other dps every group. Right around 8k dps

multiple groups with multiple other ppl

wasnt behind at all

that did change drastically in S3

[limber lion]

8k dps?

[subtle tundra]

25s werent very high considering almost every dungeon was done on 30

also seasons were very long

so not a lot of people pushed very very very high

[vestal wren]

sl 8 month seasons

[subtle tundra]

cause they'd get bored

and stop playing

(me)

[vestal wren]

did you play s2 a lot

[subtle tundra]

yes

[vestal wren]

nice

[subtle tundra]

but stopped like 2 months before season ended

so people kept pushing while i didnt

[vestal wren]

i think DF pacing is a lot better

hope it does not slow down

[limber lion]

Also, I hope you realize it's not because "Assassination felt worse and played worse and did less damage" it was because the dominant specs were better than any other spec in the game.

Just because Assassination was in an OK spot in terms of DPS in Season 2 compared to other specs, doesn't mean that it was any better than in other seasons

Season 2 just didn't have too many dominant m+ figures

I personally wouldn't base my opinion on Assassination on how stupidly broken other specs are

[gusty mirage]

@echo geyser come back to us 😦

[clever sapphire]

The pacing is better but somehow my interest dies out just as fast

[vestal wren]

gearing is faster too

[gusty mirage]

we need a reverse this time though

bamfam & speed on rogue

[spice spire]

Ramzam :/

[vestal wren]

as much as people say gear does not matter, the gear chase is a reason to play

[spice spire]

The frost mage betrayer

[gusty mirage]

I miss tuning into ram's streams while at work

lol

[vestal wren]

the gear chase still exists if you want to "bis"

[spice spire]

Same

I miss streams while at work

[vestal wren]

but not chasing gear does not put you noticable behind

[gusty mirage]

chill vibes by the homie

[vestal wren]

so most ppl don't

[clever sapphire]

Ye i kinda just get high ilvl pieces and am fine with that

[shut owl]

forget gear chase; pursue meta-breaking io

[vestal wren]

there is only a very small subset of the playerbase

[shut owl]

I wish our plane hadn't been delayed nearly 20 hours for our return flight this week lol; I needed a lot of fort keys for spec io t-t

[vestal wren]

that likes to push super high

[echo geyser]

team disband so idk if i play again

[limber lion]

Good

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

No need to be sad

Ram is free

[clever sapphire]

I actually enjoyed keys the most where there was a seasonal affix to be interacted with and where i could change covenants depending on key (ik there were bis covenants but i felt impactfull no matter what i played)

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

but that means I spend less time talking to him

😦

[spice spire]

Exactly

[gusty mirage]

damn

[spice spire]

Don’t want ram to play wow if he doesn’t want to, he’s just a great lad

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-oscars2022-smack-gif-25234614

[spice spire]

Damn

[echo geyser]

we were gonna play great push but a player left just before trials

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

if you need a healer I know a guy

he's kind of weird

but that's because he's british

@ebon notch

[vestal wren]

[limber lion]

As long as he doesn't play Evoker, he'll be fine

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

hey look more dogshit

[woeful meteor]

HUH

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

oxi play the damn game

[woeful meteor]

I wish my vault looks like that tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

I did

I pulled sark like 60 times

that's playing the game

[ebon notch]

who was your healer?

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

tbf

it's a socket angle

very little from m+

not gonna grind out 8 20s for a 400 dps upgrade

[woeful meteor]

400 is less than a socket psure

[keen spruce]

socky about 5-600dps

but i'm in full sockets

so it's ilvl and catalyst

[gusty mirage]

yep something like that

BRO

GO TO WORK YOU FUCKS

[vestal wren]

surprised how many ppl still play

nice

[gusty mirage]

I sense that a socket might be worth more than upgrading my crit/haste ring to a 447 haste/mastery ring lol

yep

[vestal wren]

alreay have 4 sockets

probably never use the 4th one

[gusty mirage]

nah nah trust

you will

[vestal wren]

ill craft a ring in 10.1.5

[echo geyser]

ayjie but hes not the guy that left

[vestal wren]

so i keep it "just in case"

[ebon notch]

who dipped?

[echo geyser]

stove dps

[ebon notch]

wait stove?

[solar bramble]

wait . . . why do we have 2 incorporeal weeks so close together

[ebon notch]

did he quit the game or what

[gusty mirage]

nows your time to shine daps

sell yourself

convince ram to stay

[echo geyser]

no he joined my old team lol

[gusty mirage]

we need him

[ebon notch]

wait what

[woeful meteor]

he plays with andy after they kicked canexx

[ebon notch]

andy kicked canexx then yoinked stove?

yoink canexx then fuck it

[echo geyser]

sum like that

i only joined because someone left before me

as u know i started expac late etc

didnt have plans to play until they asked

[echo geyser]

did they even say why they kicked him

[ebon notch]

nobody knows right?

at least thats what i heard

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

maybe some internal conflict then

[woeful meteor]

idk only saw it on twitter and dont watch his stream if he talked about it there

[echo geyser]

new mushroom patch dropped so it is what it is

@keen spruce login

[vestal wren]

mashroom patch?

[ebon notch]

maplestory

wow is rams side hustle

[vestal wren]

oh, well have fun

[echo geyser]

i wanna play wow but im kinda over the phase of pugging keys

[keen spruce]

to mushroom?

no mushroom

[ebon notch]

we're looking for a rogue for pushing in 10.1.5 :^)

[echo geyser]

also not the best timeline when outlaw isnt juiced in keys

sub gets buffed in that patch right

[woeful meteor]

F
Northstar going on the Guilds that will surely not decline me list 🙂

ye 4%

[echo geyser]

why does everyone know about this guild

u aint the first one to mention it

[ebon notch]

ye

4%

have you been trying to play outlaw in keys this season ram

sub is like miles ahead no?

[echo geyser]

at the start yes cause fun but in any sort of high keys no

[gusty mirage]

daps

I need your 2 cents

[ebon notch]

yes

[vestal wren]

for m+ yes, single target is almost unchanged

[woeful meteor]

Friends of Friends played there last patch and saw that you joined on stream. Also it hover around wr100 range, which is where I have to be lucky, but it's still realistic, that hey trial me

[keen spruce]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[solar bramble]

curious. does potion absorbtion inhibitor take up an embellishment slot? or is it like the double food buff that doesn't count

[woeful meteor]

takes a slot

[solar bramble]

so not useful then. got it

would it even be useful if it cut potion cd down to 2m.

outside AoE

[woeful meteor]

if you could pot every CD set it would be by far the best embelishment

[gusty mirage]

they could bring back pre-potting

just sayin

[woeful meteor]

Didn't play back then but the old pot CD System seems so giga cringe for raiding

[gaunt moat]

Only if you have to pay for the pots

[gusty mirage]

you'd always get 2 pots

per boss fight

doesn't seem too cringe

[eager solstice]

Corrupting rage flask on rashok Zscarn? 800 dps for me

[gusty mirage]

if your RL/healers are okay with it

[woeful meteor]

Sylvanas 15min fiesta same amount of pots as a HC mid tier boss that dies in 1:40 nice

[gusty mirage]

go for it

[twilit python]

if ur not dying then send it

[gusty mirage]

if you die because of it

then it's not really worth 800 dps

[gusty mirage]

[still epoch]

anyone using irid frag over beacon>

?

[woeful meteor]

no

[strange python]

Changing to crit flask now sim wants me to swap all gems to mastery

[gusty mirage]

fragment is bad

[woeful meteor]

fragment bad

[strange python]

Hmm

[gusty mirage]

do not use fragment

unless you literally have no other option

[still epoch]

whats the justification

[gusty mirage]

it's oversimming

[still epoch]

i se

[still epoch]

dayumn

ty

[gusty mirage]

ye corrupting rage is af uck ton of crit

[still epoch]

the class trinket is poggers tho right

[gusty mirage]

makes sense cause it'd DR your crit gems

[still epoch]

atleast from mythic ilvl

[gusty mirage]

class trinket is okay ye

mythic ilvl one is bis w/ bomb dispenser

[woeful meteor]

also the someone prepulled and you didnt pot yet get fucked

[gusty mirage]

or you potted as someone prepulled

this is why we hate hunters and boomkins

[woeful meteor]

cant hold cds for cringe dmg amps like Jailer either

dmg amps are cringe aswell tho so hard to tell whats worse

[main vessel]

use me though?

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[gusty mirage]

omw

[hollow vault]

what have we become

[gusty mirage]

abundance of secondaries will do that

[limber lion]

Also you're simming droptimizer, you're the one who chose those enchants/gems/stats

I can almost assure you that a different combo will give you more

[hollow vault]

it 200 higher than crit/mast or mast/haste

im not that big of a silly goose!

[limber lion]

If you're simming droptimizer with every single stat combo, does sound pretty silly goosy to me

[hollow vault]

😎 we all get there in the end...

[gusty mirage]

as a silly goose who has done that in an effort to replace annulet

I can confirm

mr. tubas is pretty goosey

[woeful meteor]

use Fuu's txt and put everything under weekly reward selection the replicate having only 1 spark B)

[balmy condor]

Or just use droptimizer like a sane person

[gusty mirage]

you never wanted to know how blue silken linings on a ring sims?

[woeful meteor]

Simming droptimizer for all stats just for diffrent bracers being better once you crafted it seems worse

I deleted all useless embelishments from it stopped raidbots from crashing aswell

[balmy condor]

Idk I just run 447 vault, haste/mast crafted, crit/mast crafted, crit/vers crafted, crit/haste crafted

And then I eat breakfast

And I come back

And compare

[keen spruce]

i just slap crit/mast on all of my crafted shit and adjust gems and rings accordingly

[gusty mirage]

that's uh

one way to do it

don't tell me you're that guy

who sims "replace all"

every week

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps on demon shit again

[keen spruce]

no no

i mean yes

[gusty mirage]

I think he's up to 94% mastery now

[keen spruce]

but i don't replace gems

[hollow vault]

[gusty mirage]

he's ososhi's dream realized

[shut owl]

I just shrug and say "whats the likelihood that this .1% gain by recrafting all my shit is going to be noticable"

[keen spruce]

actually i'm down

to like uhhh

51%

[gusty mirage]

based as fuck

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

That’s honestly the smartest move

[shut owl]

and "but will it mess up my m+ profile more than it helps my single target" when I look at my lack of haste

[woeful meteor]

I hekin love waiting 2 Hours for a sim

[gusty mirage]

but think of the 483.4 dps you'd get by replacing all your gems including the primary stat one

[keen spruce]

but i do run a replace all every week

then it always says it's like a 50dps difference

and i change nothing

i just don't select all of the gems

[shut owl]

cuz I don't forsee my guild going deep in mythic prog unless the 8 folks we recruited are masters of mechanics and some of the non-facerolling can rub off on our raid XD

[hollow vault]

this was too tedious but i have confirmed my sadness

[keen spruce]

nonono i don't expect differnt

smh

but how can i be certain if i don't check

[gusty mirage]

you sure sim a lot for someone who refused to use puzzlebox all of season 1

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow vault]

W

[keen spruce]

i simmed al ot season 1 too

[gusty mirage]

shmeeps

keep being you my friend

I respect it

fuck the haters

[keen spruce]

i knew exactly how much i was losing leaving that box in the bank

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-seth-rogen-james-franco-north-korea-television-gif-4185017

[hollow vault]

just play sub so you didn't need to use puzzlebox

[keen spruce]

u never saw my season 1 talents tho

they were way more criminal than not using puzzlebox

[gusty mirage]

turns out your hatred for exsang saved you months of pain

[dawn haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

truly a visionary

[keen spruce]

it wasn't just no exang

[gusty mirage]

I ignore your demonic tendencies

it makes our friendship more viable

[keen spruce]

actually in a weird stroke of fate

they ended up just being our current talents

but sbs instead of sep

and 3/3 zoldyk instead of shrouded

[cerulean nest]

does leeching poison show up as a buff on your character?

[shut owl]

niche question probably: are we maintaining CT on single target in m+ for DTB/IC? wasn't sure if tier made it more noticable than s1

[limber lion]

Yes

[keen spruce]

maybe our friendship would be even better if you didn't

[cerulean nest]

im just looking at logs and dont see the buff anywhere

[shut owl]

you lose leeching buff sometimes when zoning into places

[gusty mirage]

every time*

[keen spruce]

do u have poisons on

[cerulean nest]

nah rogue doesnt need those right?

[limber lion]

Let me know if you can find any other poison buffs either

Because I can tell you that you won't find Deadly/Amp on buffs either

[gusty mirage]

best way to check if they remembered to reapply poisons for leeching

look at their healing

[cerulean nest]

well you find those by looking at debuffs cast by friendly

which I do see

[keen spruce]

just look at healing

for leechies

[cerulean nest]

I mean i do have leech on one piece of gear

but it wouldnt do that much

[keen spruce]

damn insane healing wow cool wow

[cerulean nest]

Im just making sure its not some bug lol

[keen spruce]

oh i'm not makin fun of you i was just complaining about rogue healing

[spice spire]

Green healing parse

[shut owl]

that alter time spam (I assume) making you look foolish there shmeeps

[balmy condor]

Nah

[limber lion]

Yeah no bugs here, it's just filtered out.

[cerulean nest]

either way, do I just refresh poisons every time I zone in somewhere to make sure leeching didnt randomly get removed?

okay coo

[keen spruce]

i've never done this

[shut owl]

cool; saw some discussion in the TC about AP/IC build with it, and didnt know if any of it carried weight in general for dtb without zold/ap

[balmy condor]

I do it because I’m deranged

[keen spruce]

i normally wait until i notice that i'm nowhere to be found on the meters and have no energy mid pull

[balmy condor]

But you wouldn’t want to normally

[keen spruce]

then reapply them

[shut owl]

I mean... so do I... just didn't know if it was theoretically optimal or not during the post-DM buff

[balmy condor]

Yeh no

[shut owl]

my m+ boss damage been feeling really inconsistent lately, and not sure if it was just jetlag or poor cd lineup

[balmy condor]

Envenom buff good

[white orchid]

Can’t seem to get beacon or bomb to drop in runs or in vault. Only fragment drops taunting me at 447

[keen spruce]

fragment ain't that bad if you don't have the other prio trinkets

[urban mantle]

Guys. The Raidbots does change the priority of dungeon Slice sim for single and AoE when it's Tiranycal or Fortified? Cuz last week my Harlam Dice was better then Puzzle Box for Mythic plus and now is worst

[gusty mirage]

it does not

[urban mantle]

Thank you

[fiery idol]

Does Master Poisoner work for amplifying poision?

[balmy condor]

no

[keen spruce]

not even the amp poison dot?

[balmy condor]

"non-damaging"

[keen spruce]

oh

[balmy condor]

every part of amp poison is damaging

[keen spruce]

i was thinkin of fatal concoction

nvm

[vocal oracle]

simmed an Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket out of vault and its saying to take...not sure on which aspect though...it doesnt tell me that

[keen spruce]

it's gonna depend on who has what in your raid

but probably crit or mastery

[storm forum]

do sims default to all buffs?

for the essence*

[vocal oracle]

good question

[keen spruce]

there's a setting in the same section as comsumables

where you can pick which buff you want

[vocal oracle]

im holding out for a bomb

[keen spruce]

and just run it with a few different combos

[gusty mirage]

you pick

it does all

or none

not very uh

helpful

lol

[storm forum]

uhh

thanks

thats weird though

[gusty mirage]

trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Ruby/Versatility)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Bronze/Haste)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Azure/Mastery)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Emerald/Critical Strike)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_allies=obsidian/emerald/bronze/azure/ruby```

toss this at the end of your advanced sim

[storm forum]

Wowee

[gusty mirage]

I'll ask fuu to add that to the pin in tc-research

@vestal wren can you add the essence thingy to the pin in tc-research?

[gusty mirage]

fwiw you just remove the colors from allies that you won't have in the raid

for example if you don't have anyone running vers

remove ruby from the allies line

[vestal wren]

sure

[gusty mirage]

ty sir

[sweet dawn]

What build yall running for Mythic assault?

[blazing jewel]

That boss is a trash mob

Spec anything you want

[sweet dawn]

Dope

KB Pog??????????

[clever sapphire]

I go afk, since i afk on trash packs

[urban mantle]

Exsanguinate still good for Mythic plus? On sin faq say its bad now, can't tell if is bad for every content

[gusty mirage]

exsanguinate bad

don't play it

[clever sapphire]

DM doesnt duplicate exsang poisons

[urban mantle]

hm

[clever sapphire]

Meaning it makes dm useless

So yep

Bleeds*

[craggy oak]

very large post in the pins with an overview

[urban mantle]

forgot to look the pins, sorry. And ty guys for clarifing for me

[clever sapphire]

Making sure we answer questions before whispyr sees it

Saving that little sanity he still has left

Gotta get prepared for 10.1.5 patch day slow mode

[runic hinge]

I’m surprised we’re not slow mode already with a patch release date and no changes

[vocal oracle]

whens the patch release?

i didn't see that memo

[clever sapphire]

Here it goes

11 july

[vocal oracle]

ahh, ok

ty

i have time to farm or collect sparks for new ring

[clever sapphire]

Yap

But tbf i dont think any channel is gonna go into slowmode

(Maybe outlaw, they are not all on the acceptance stage yet)

[balmy condor]

we go into slow mode from doom

as long as people don't giga doom and spiral off each other like monkeys

we're vibing

[clever sapphire]

Yap, and assa channel doesnt seem to doom anymore

Or atleast i didnt see slow mode for a while now

[spice spire]

It never has doomed this tier, surely!

[clever sapphire]

You know the reason could also be that all the assa rogues left, so even if everyone dooms there arent enough to make slowmode worth it

[balmy condor]

all the people that usually doom out of their minds are upset with me because of my incredibly nice and pleasant request to not do that

so they disappeared

[clever sapphire]

Im gonna hold the fort, lets see how long you can last with my cursed builds

(I dont have any)

[spice spire]

Real

[balmy condor]

I'm sure you can think of something

[spice spire]

Me

[clever sapphire]

You know the problem is, i would have to log into wow for that

[balmy condor]

hm

same tbh

[clever sapphire]

What if, we went sbs and mfd in dungeons

[balmy condor]

maybe it's less that people aren't dooming, and more so that people just don't play anymore

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[clever sapphire]

Do you think mfd would be worth on assault? Seeing how mobs die like 2 seconds after they spawn

[spice spire]

Have you filled your vault this week mister whispyr

[clever sapphire]

Probably, cant doom if there is noone to doom

[spice spire]

If not, I’m going to have to report you to the authorities

[balmy condor]

I opened my socket today

[spice spire]

I’m so proud

[balmy condor]

government appointed socket take every week

[spice spire]

I’m actually an ape and have 447 nelth ring and FH ring from vault

That’s about it from my vault that’s been good

Fuck me if my top thing to take isn’t a heroic trinket

That refuses to drop

[balmy condor]

I'm just kinda

out of upgrades

[clever sapphire]

Im like gollum from lord of the rings, everytime i see a ring i want it. Still never got one this season

[spice spire]

Bro I’d give the gawk gawk 3000 for a bomb dispenser while in raid

[ionic fox]

Any good way to sim the nerf to annulet?

[balmy condor]

ptr=1 works I think

but really the nerf is so big

you actually just replace it with anything

[ionic fox]

ahhh kk cool

[balmy condor]

imo easiest way to sim it is just don't sim the ring

[ionic fox]

lul

[clever sapphire]

Can i replace it with you?

[ionic fox]

Thoughts on possibly getting changes before july 11? 🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty heavy for a ring I would think

[balmy condor]

probably 0

[ionic fox]

sick nasty baby

sub and sin just leapfrogging week by week in pure ST

[clever sapphire]

Get a change to your attitude young boy, we are over those damned blue posts already

Okay so, lemme get this straight. The first boss is so hard on mythic they needes to nerf it?

[balmy condor]

incredibly difficult boss

3 full mechanics

[clever sapphire]

Tbh not crossing the lasers is pretty hard, it looks like a lasersword fight

Who wouldnt want to cross it

[clever sapphire]

Outlaw just sitting in the back waiting for their moment, where they get 50% aura bufd

[west swallow]

should i just use beacon on CD? just got it out of the vault

[gusty mirage]

yep

outside of deathmark

slap it on cd

[clever sapphire]

Bacon before fight starts into vanish, send the log to trigger whispyr

If you played puzzlebox you could use it where you would have pressed box before

Thats how i would do it

IF I HAD ONE

[west swallow]

unfortunately all of season 1 i was stuck with the whelpshell lmfao

[clever sapphire]

Lucky you

[west swallow]

blizzard is making up for it now by just giving me trinkets

[clever sapphire]

No post trauma puzzle usage for you

Grieftorch and puzzlebox in 1 season

I hated it

Standing still for seconds

Annoying

[balmy condor]

it's just worse

[clever sapphire]

You do know you are talking to the one and probably only assa rogue that plays MA but no iron wire in dungeons

[brazen zodiac]

O.O

[balmy condor]

pretty sure the boy infinitehot does that too

can't for the life of me explain why

[clever sapphire]

Fellscrafting

[jaunty dew]

tbh i run assassination in mythic raids and m+ and i'm pretty good with it

no idea why people are crying out doom

Having 441 bacon also helps I coping I suppose xD

[clever sapphire]

Tho just so you feel better, since i shown the build here and you lectured me about it i havent done a single key or raidboss on my rogue, or in wow at all

[subtle tundra]

where my rework

[balmy condor]

that's the best response honestly

[clever sapphire]

Its fine, its just nowhere near SP

Or like any top spec

[jaunty dew]

idc tbh

[balmy condor]

assassination and rogues in general has a couple of design issues especially in the class tree and stuff

so people are just looking for change

[subtle tundra]

let me do more than 0 st in m+ 😦

[steel spire]

I cry doom cause sin has got little love in a while

[jaunty dew]

Oh that's without a doubt. But I think that the situation is not as dire as people paint it to be

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's the internet

[jaunty dew]

True

[balmy condor]

hating things is super chic

[jaunty dew]

Mega true

[clever sapphire]

If you dont do 24+s probably nobody is gonna care

[subtle tundra]

ok but my complaints are legit

smh

they made the spec worse to play for me

i'd rather play pre-df

[jaunty dew]

I prefer my current sin to the current sub tbh

[steel spire]

Sin doom is valid girlies 💅🏾🌃

[jaunty dew]

sub just feels odd

[craggy oak]

blashemy making a dot spec not have to dot

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor you think the echoing blades and other data mined changes were legit?

Or just place holders/side effect of aura changes?

[subtle tundra]

aura changes

[craggy oak]

in aoe they are legit the same

[balmy condor]

what echoing blades changes

was there jank this week

I didn't see anything this week

also you guys ready for 10.1.5?

[clever sapphire]

True, they removed nightfae blue haste circle and deathspike

It hasnt felt the same since then

[jaunty dew]

This was on the datamine for 10.1.5

[balmy condor]

oh those

yeah those are from the aura stuff

[clever sapphire]

There is a mage missing from group 3

[balmy condor]

he's finishing an m+

[clever sapphire]

Ah sorry, he probably got too many invites for his aoe invis

What if, hear me out. We take the warlock devs, and put them onto the rogues

Now we also get infinite dmg

Insane scaling with externals

And we can cry about anything to get buffed

[strange python]

I'm sorta curious about the behind the scenes with realz

He was super responsive and things seemed to actually get changed quickly in alpha and early beta

[clever sapphire]

And then people got toxic and he bailed, no single person can handle so much info unless its genuin nice talk

[strange python]

Curious if the broader dev team/game devs above him put the kibosh on tuning when live hit.

[clever sapphire]

If it was a smaller discord where only nice peeps like whispyr were with realz it probably would have gone better on the talking through the season part

[balmy condor]

the nicest

[clever sapphire]

But you gotta remember, his job isnt only to tune rogue, so a lot of stuff could happen

[celest ruin]

we didnt post enough cat memes

[balmy condor]

incorrect, devs have to work on ONLY MY SPEC

[clever sapphire]

Did you play any other spec?

[balmy condor]

MY SPEC

[blazing jewel]

you okay there

[clever sapphire]

Im gomna leave, whispyr is too toxic for me. Also lost for words, he is too menacing when he types with capslock

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

sorry what did you say

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

delete deez

[runic hinge]

Filtered

[clever sapphire]

The battle of the orange vs the purple

[gusty mirage]

doesn't count as a filter if someone manually deletes it

[clever sapphire]

Its gonna be the fight of the century

[gusty mirage]

you overestimate our ability to actually fight

[runic hinge]

It was gone so fast I thought it was the filter

[clever sapphire]

True its assa rogue discord, there only gonna be stuff happening every 2 minutes

[gusty mirage]

whispyr a lil ass bitch

[balmy condor]

lawyer headass with your technicalities

[gusty mirage]

imma headass my way over there

and we'll see who's deleting what then

that's a lot of words that don't really say anything

[blazing jewel]

Mom and dad are fighting

[balmy condor]

you, me, bed

[oak sky]

Im so ready for the first .1.7 ptr patch

🤤

If i can break the diablo addiction i might start working on my mage to play until then

[clever sapphire]

Wait oxi is a lawyer. Can you help me sue realz for not giving any rogue updates?

[gusty mirage]

no

[clever sapphire]

Only realz

[gusty mirage]

what are your damages?

[balmy condor]

mental

[clever sapphire]

Nah that wont work

Wasnt in place to begin with

[gusty mirage]

could he have foresaw people having a hissy fit over no changes?

and did he make any explicit promises?

[limber lion]

It literally says that rogue tuning is coming in the most latest wowhead post

[clever sapphire]

Oxi is too smart for me, imma do a karen move. I wanna talk to your manager

[limber lion]

Like chill lol

[bitter compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[clever sapphire]

Im just joking no worries

[strange python]

I think it's reasonable to be annoyed that our tuning is left till the week before the patch again, though. No?

Gives no time for feedback and iteration. Again.

[clever sapphire]

They probably just wont do anything this patch and post changes later for the patch after

[strange python]

Also when this keeps happening patch after patch people will eventually stop believing that they're in good hands/things will work out.

[clever sapphire]

Thatway there is enough time for feedback

[balmy condor]

I mean good thing this isn't the last patch of the game to ever exist

[strange python]

I'm fine with changes coming later. My issue is the pr team.

[clever sapphire]

My fate is in the hands of the TC guys and my feelcrafting

[strange python]

Blizzard comms have always been shit but still

[clever sapphire]

Sometimes i wonder what would happen if all the wow players were overwatch players. They killed the game for the second time, meanwhile people here are annoyed with bad comms

[balmy condor]

idk I think the worst thing is that my local jack in the box is out of curly fries

[storm forum]

i dont think you could convince most overwatch players to pay a subscription

so im guessing wow would insta die

and overwatch would make a shit ton of money

[clever sapphire]

Probably yep