assassination

[lean fossil]

any tips for zskarn?

[next arch]

Kill him.

Dont get hit.

[lean fossil]

lmao

useful tips?

[next arch]

use deathmark on cooldown.

(no, nothing useful)

[balmy condor]

take a break so you don't get depression fighting the worst boss ever made

[lean fossil]

lol rip

[ebon notch]

Play 3rd tank and soak everything for your homies

[lusty ermine]

what spec do ya'll find easiest to use on mythic experiments? debating on assassing vs sub vs outlaw. I main sub but I feel like the mechanics require me to lose a lot of uptime

[balmy condor]

you'd lose just as much on the other specs

[outer rune]

im sorry if I missed a pin somewhere but whats recommended spec for pve noob?

[balmy condor]

raid or m+

[outer rune]

m+

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq message play this

but take master assassin instead of exsang

cause exsang's bugged

[outer rune]

❤️ ty

[sharp trellis]

Hi, for M+ content , what your recommended sim setting ?

[tacit otter]

DungeonSlice

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice

[lavish whale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lavish whale]

wheres whisp WA?

[storm forum]

i need some support for rashok

emotional support

we hit enrage but with like 5+ dead and its so doomed

[brazen zodiac]

u got this friend c:

[storm forum]

also i keep hitting lava waves cause im shit

but i have a sporecloak so it doesnt matter lol

[storm forum]

thanks UwU

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/love-cats-cat-cute-hug-love-gif-16191958

[runic hinge]

You got this!

[gusty mirage]

sorry friend I'm all tapped out

[brazen zodiac]

f

[subtle tundra]

Crazy

[storm forum]

i believe in you oxi

[subtle tundra]

Lucky me I was

[blazing jewel]

guys im assassination pilled

is it time for the red name

[cold spoke]

never

[blazing jewel]

reborn as red name

[balmy condor]

But outlaw has new grand melee

[cold spoke]

[blazing jewel]

im playing outlaw for one reclear no more no less

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

???

@balmy condor what's the logic of the vanish sepsis rule on nelth?

You use a delayed vanish in opener and then don't have vanish for 2m DM? I don't understand it as worded

[cold spoke]

im actually glad sin is best now

dwarf doesnt seem that big anymore so can safely race change

[gusty mirage]

but stinky dwarf

could be stinky hayde

and be a stinky dwarf

that's stinky^2

[cold spoke]

dwarf tho

[balmy condor]

You don’t need it for 2nd dm, you have sepsis

[strange python]

Do you miss the second sepsis charge in opener?

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

Hmm

So sepsis garrote, sepsis garrote, vanish garrote in opener. Then at 2 mins you just don't vanish?

[balmy condor]

You don’t have it

Because you delayed

[strange python]

Wouldn't it just time out to be up at the same time relative to the 2 min DM that it was in the opener DM?

Since DM and vanish both have a 2minute CD?

[balmy condor]

What

You vanish at like 40 seconds in

[strange python]

Is that for 4set??

[balmy condor]

No

What

Okay

So you do your opener right

Normally you would hold vanish for 2 min

[strange python]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Okay

So now, when your second sepsis gar drops, you vanish gar instead

[strange python]

Right.

But why

[balmy condor]

When the sepsis comes up again at 1:30

You don’t send it

Because the boss is gonna run

So you hold it for a bit

And you send it then

[strange python]

Not better to just cloak and commit?

When I cloak nelth fractures I'm only losing a second of uptime with sprint and shadowstep.

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you’re losing a vanish

By sending it you get imp gar for every dm, first two from sepsis, then vanish

You sepsis the first adds

Vanish dm second

You get sepsis back for third add

And then vanish is synced with dm for 6 min

So you get the sepsis gar from the third add on the boss going into p3 as well

After the vanish dm at 6 min you get a sepsis in tier and boss dies

So now, seeing that, what would you suggest we hold that vanish for

You already have every add, every dm covered

Only thing left to do is just slam it for uptime

[sand inlet]

Am I wrong with how I think sepsis works, after I hit it shouldn't my next garotte, assuming I don't use any other stealth only ability, be empowered?

[gusty mirage]

you have a 10s window to consume the free stealth ability

if you garrote after that window expires, you'll apply a normal garrote

[sand inlet]

Ok, cause I was using it for the first time in a while tonight, but my wa want showing it as empowered, in wonder if I can saw ambush glow, and hit that first, using up the free stealth. I'll test that again.

[gusty mirage]

I highly recommend using a separate tracker for sepsis

notter made one: https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[sand inlet]

Ya I was just thinking that

[blazing jewel]

if you have blindside and sepsis buff up you can ambush

and it wont eat the buff

[sand inlet]

But if blindside didn't proc naturally, then it would eat the buff I guess.

[gusty mirage]

yea

[sand inlet]

Thx all

[spiral pasture]

yo, do you guys think its the play to swap to assa on zskarn and maybe later bosses? kinda having a hard time deciding

[balmy condor]

It’s just as good as the other specs

[blazing jewel]

all of the rogue specs are fine on the later bosses

[balmy condor]

0 add damage

100% boss damage

[blazing jewel]

just pick a flavor of mid that you enjoy

[balmy condor]

Just make sure your guild leader gets that

Or you’ll end up like oxi

[blazing jewel]

oxi will end up playing outlaw by the time sark dies quote me now

[balmy condor]

Amen

Oxi will end up playing warlock by the time sark dies

And he’ll get PI’s

[vestal wren]

best assassination spec is warlock

[balmy condor]

Hey hey

His warlock is like 430

Mythic prog ready

[vestal wren]

lol

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Demo one trick when

[gusty mirage]

blackvneck rising?

[balmy condor]

Vneck’s aren’t supposed to rise

[gusty mirage]

blackvneck deepening?

[spiral pasture]

beacon and class trink basically margin of error in sims, which is more rng?

[ionic fox]

So was the big rogue overhaul that was said a while ago just the aura buff or we got some rework coming still?

[royal lantern]

warlock?

i thought you where cool

https://tenor.com/view/ок-gif-26077247

[runic hinge]

Ooo baby I'd like to see that

[grim jay]

I bet on it getting delayed

[visual stratus]

Do you not take Exang anymore?

[copper hazel]

[soft shale]

rogue and bugs a better duo

[balmy condor]

Warlocks and pi

[deft flicker]

Monks and bugs

Whispyr and his gf

There are a lot of better duos

[clever sapphire]

AP and IC

[royal lantern]

druids and twitter

[clever sapphire]

shadowpriests and reworks

outlaw and fury warrior

[blazing jewel]

The color of the floor and the color of the one shot swirlies

[clever sapphire]

bruh the fact they changed sarkareth swirlies in P3 from purple to blue on a blue/purple floor really helps my eyes

[blazing jewel]

They also show clearly through black hole now which is a really big deal

And contrast with the hide lines

Guys call me cooked

But blindside procs have me bricked

[gaunt moat]

We we did him on wednsday I kept getting hit by then cause my eyes were trained for purple that i completly ignored the blue 😂

[spiral pasture]

is wowanalyzer for assa good?

[soft shale]

it is decent for assa actually but kinda krangled for others

[balmy condor]

That’s why we don’t have !log in here

[royal lantern]

i thought its because you are LAZY smh my head

[balmy condor]

Super lazy actually

I heard this whispyr guy isn’t only playing world of Warcraft 24/7

He plays like, other games

[viscid spear]

Quit playing games with my heart

[balmy condor]

Damn

[blazing jewel]

!whispyrnodamage

[royal lantern]

dont need to play wow to Check my logs and saying "yeha, 37%rupture uptime is kinda bad"

[spiral pasture]

im kinda confused i got blue parse but wowanalyzer doesnt show any major mistakes

besides not potting cuz fuck pots in a pug hc xd

[deft flicker]

Bacon crits, sophic procs, externals, might be stuff like that

[spiral pasture]

didnt use beacon, but it could be very bad nelth trinket procs

[deft flicker]

Might very well be

[blazing jewel]

Also can’t forget gear

Or kill times

[royal lantern]

nelth and beacon are both RNG shit lol

beacon if it crits

nelth if it procs in moments where it actually does something

[spiral pasture]

almost 4 min fight

those really are cringe procs arent they

[deft flicker]

Yeah

Also no 3rd dm during execute which is sad

[spiral pasture]

good point

should hold it next time

[deft flicker]

Yeah, second dm can line ip with third sepsis rather nicely

But if the fight lasts a bit longer you might lose a dm by holding

[spiral pasture]

still unsure if i should keep on going as sub for zskarn and later bosses, assa seems to be pulling ahead ST atm

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter

rogue sucks for them anyway

[hollow dirge]

do you need dmg on golems?

[spiral pasture]

not really anymore

[hollow dirge]

assa a very miniscule better choice then 😄

[spiral pasture]

i barely touch them like send 1 sectec on 2nd and 3rd sets

honestly im tilted by lack of mobility on sub more than anything, like 1 min sprint and 2 steps you can get on assa seem so nice xd

[hollow dirge]

well, sub got rupture spread, assa got mobility, it's very logical move, considering specs themes and histories

[spiral pasture]

xdd

its so scuffed idk

class tree is such a pile of design mistakes

[hollow dirge]

we'll get a rework at some point when it does not matter, just gotta wait 😄

[spiral pasture]

love when ion goes and says we dont want to make a choice of throughput and utility cuz theres a right answer and then they send rogue tree being 80% dps

[willow falcon]

lack of mobility on sub? you can get double step and you have double vanish +ss

[spiral pasture]

not so sure about rework anymore, it could be that the tuning rogue is getting for annulet nerf and ghostly strike etc. is all that was planned

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, vanish strike, the best mobility tool

[spiral pasture]

all at the cost of dmg, a tradeoff assa doesnt really face

[royal lantern]

sub mobility in DF is abysall

[hollow dirge]

a tradeoff nobody should face even

[willow falcon]

I mean it's something

[hollow dirge]

you know what else's something? shiv dmg buff

[willow falcon]

i more often find myself using vanish for mobility than dmg outside of the opener

[spiral pasture]

if beacon and class trinket are simming basically within margin, which one would you go with?

[balmy condor]

Beacon probably

[tall atlas]

When do we start getting a whole spark a week

I have 417 toxic boots and wanna make them big

[spiral pasture]

never

at least never until they might change their mind

[floral shoal]

Bacon is nice but I hate the casttime.

[cerulean nest]

is there a delay when it does it's damage after the cast? or is it immediately after the cast?

the visual effect psychs me out

[balmy condor]

Short delay yeah

[sand sigil]

what do we drop exsang for on st? just ma?

[blazing jewel]

Standard for most bosses

[sand sigil]

[blazing jewel]

It can vary slightly depending on kill times

Like some play 3pt zoldyck on rashok

Would drop shrouded for it

[cerulean nest]

do they?

[blazing jewel]

I’m on mobile so wcl is bad but I think that was a fairly common thing to do for that fight time

[gusty mirage]

That was when we thought exsang was still working properly

[blazing jewel]

Still some taking it in rashok logs without exsang

[gusty mirage]

And vel got r1s playing master poisoner in sod

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr and notter

I swear he was cooking and running sims specific for that fight time

[gusty mirage]

Oh

well you never played exsang on rashok

Sorry I’m stupid

[blazing jewel]

I found the message about the reasoning

“Timing suck execute good”

I’ll change my statement from most to some lol

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Rashok is a straight up bitch

6% and still no fucking kill

[blazing jewel]

I wonder if the timing was bad for sepsis where 3rd zoldyck > ss because of less improved garrote uptime

Idk maybe I’m cooking

“You get 4min dm right when execute hits”

[gusty mirage]

Just kill the boss bro

[blazing jewel]

Oxi are you sure you can say that right now

[blazing jewel]

Dude acts like I even played rogue in sod

[gaunt moat]

@blazing jewel are you need getting the full 4th dm in?

[blazing jewel]

What

[gaunt moat]

Are we talking about rashok?

[blazing jewel]

Kinda

More so about kill times and dropping ss for 3pt zoldyck

I want to sim now but I’m not at my pc

[gusty mirage]

How many sub 5% wipes did consequence have?

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

he talking mad shit for a guy with 200+ wipes on sark

[blazing jewel]

public log rn

At least we aren’t an unnamed guild at 300

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay I’ll get there soon enough

[rain oyster]

Rashok is a great fkn fight

6.25 min of perfect execution

[gusty mirage]

Easily the best fight in the raid

Such a banger boss

[blazing jewel]

Why couldn’t they make magmorax good

Would have made this tier so much better

[rain oyster]

coms were more pumped killing it during enrage cast than raz kill xd

[gusty mirage]

Why did they let Jonathan Newsham design Zskarn

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

Why did he design zskarn

So many questions

Why does zskarn still exist

[blazing jewel]

Dude can’t put shapes together and watched his boss become a target dummy poggers

[gusty mirage]

Who thought the changes after the cheese nerf was good

[rain oyster]

they gotta nerf it this week right?? right>???

[earnest remnant]

its actually awful

[earnest remnant]

think we start with them next week

[gusty mirage]

Like people didn’t cheese it because it was fun

They cheesed it because the fight was ass

[blazing jewel]

Are you sin pilled for reclear or staying sub

[earnest remnant]

sub

[rain oyster]

I think making it 1 random trap instead of two is a likely nerf

[earnest remnant]

dont really see a reason for me to play assa

so i wont

[rain oyster]

fight will be still ass

[gusty mirage]

Yep

They need to just turn it into a standard patchwerk sim

Boss doesn’t do anything

Let people move on

[earnest remnant]

revert the tactical destruction change

for the love of god

[gusty mirage]

Just delete all the mechanics

[blazing jewel]

It’s the gatekeeper of the mythic bomb trinket

[earnest remnant]

i have it

idc

get rid

[thorn fjord]

It’s such a hard check towards the end

[gusty mirage]

Nah I never killed the boss and it’s in my loot pool

[thorn fjord]

And we lack consistency

[gusty mirage]

Ty for the change to vault blizzard

I never want to do that boss ever

[thorn fjord]

Some pulls the clears are peachy keen and every one lives… others people bleed out

[gusty mirage]

I’ll wait until 12.0 to solo it

[blazing jewel]

Won’t you have arthritis by then

Can’t be playing games too much wrist pain

[gusty mirage]

Jokes on you I already have arthritis in my left hand

[blazing jewel]

It runs in my family

[gusty mirage]

Golf isn’t very friendly to your bones and joints

[blazing jewel]

Soon brother

[gusty mirage]

Esp when you live in cold climates

[earnest remnant]

this just makes me sad

[gaunt moat]

Someone hated him and wanted to set him up for failure to get fired. that's the only explanation

[blazing jewel]

You win some you lose some

[earnest remnant]

same thing happend on 1st boss, Rashok

[gusty mirage]

I crit every part of an opener last night

[earnest remnant]

and magmorax

0 crits

[gusty mirage]

Was top DPS

Then the arcane mage crit

Unlucky

[blazing jewel]

I don’t know what trinket to run on sin because I feel like beacon is visibly tilting from crit or no crit but class trinket would tilt me when I look at my logs

They are pretty even

[gusty mirage]

Dice

Class trinket

The uninstall button

Pick one

[blazing jewel]

Tank damage ✅

[gusty mirage]

Dice are fine

[indigo girder]

is the current sepsis opener w/o exsang up-to-date in #assassination-faq ?

[spice surge]

Get good procs with a dogshit trinket like raidhorn so that people come in here asking if raidhorn is bis now

[gusty mirage]

Imagine thinking I didn’t vendor that trinket the day I got it

[subtle tundra]

2 weeks of gametime left

[blazing jewel]

Evil

[gusty mirage]

I need this case to settle so I can get paid and fly to Europe

Can’t play wow if I’m in Europe

[spice surge]

Then how am i doing it? Checkmate

[subtle tundra]

You're just a baby

[gusty mirage]

You don’t live across an ocean

You live in Europe

[spice surge]

Technically theres a sea between sweden and mainhand europe

Land

[gusty mirage]

I’m gonna show up in Denmark and knock on @earnest remnant ‘s door

[earnest remnant]

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi in sub “don’t teach them math” I can’t

[grim jay]

It never turns out good

[blazing jewel]

I remember in tech school we had to learn electron theory and some dude saw the basic picture of an atom and said fuck this and walked out for a day

[vapid flicker]

i geared my sub, and i have 0% haste. Is it possible to play asas on the same stats or do i need some sort of baseline haste?

in raid^

[grim jay]

There is no needed amount ever

My sin gear has 0.7% or smth

[vapid flicker]

Aite, I always find my self running out of energy though

Am I playing it wrong or am I just meant to have barely any energy outside of my thistle tea

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

You are not meant to use an ability every single global no

[grim jay]

Sin is pretty energy starved by default compared to the other 2

[blazing jewel]

But the pure dopamine when you get to execute and you aren’t energy starved

[proven jasper]

^^

[vapid flicker]

Kk, and is it right playing sepsis now instead of bone spike

[proven jasper]

during dm and execute is the only time you’re pretty much not starved

yes

Sepsis op!

[grim jay]

Yes sepsis great

We love sepsis

[proven jasper]

Lots of empowered garrotes with sepsis

very juicy

[vapid flicker]

I zee

Ty guys

I'm otw to becoming an asas enjoyer

[grim jay]

I enjoy the sin cooking in here first and foremost

[errant swallow]

+1

[royal lantern]

nah

all covenant abilitys can stay in SL and be forgoten

[spice spire]

Shut ur mouth

Sbs is my son

[royal lantern]

not george?

[spice spire]

I can have multiple

[frozen jasper]

Wait, you can have items from Bosses you never killed in vault?
I thought i need to have at least 1 kill on the boss to unlock for vault

[thorn fjord]

Only tier @frozen jasper

[drifting cloud]

he killed bosses after it

[thorn fjord]

Rest of the items comes from bosses you've killed

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[gusty mirage]

Wrong

[deft flicker]

That’s how it worked in season 1. People abused the shit out of it for eggnogs, icons, torches and stuff

Now whenever you kill a boss, it also unlocks vault loot for any previous boss

[thorn fjord]

???

[gusty mirage]

If you roll into mythic and kill magmorax you unlock loot from every boss prior

They changed it this tier

[thorn fjord]

yeah i thought he meant like any boss

[deft flicker]

So technically you can buy Sark and farm any piece of loot on that difficulty from vault

[frozen jasper]

Wow didn’t know

[subtle tundra]

Ugly ass son

[spice spire]

Shut your lips before I shut them with mine

[deft flicker]

Woah are you qualified to handle that kind of explosives??

[spice spire]

Yes

[final sky]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

More men to kiss yummers

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

[rain hound]

hey fellas I dont see that they mention but when should I use trinket in the opener?

or do I use it after im finished w opener?

[tacit otter]

depends what trinket youre talking about

[rain hound]

beacon

[tacit otter]

you can get your bleeds up -> beacon -> Dm, or if you play bomb + beacon you can use beacon after opener

[rain hound]

alrighty

tywm

[thorn fjord]

gar-snd-er-rupture-beacon-sepsis-dm-shiv gogogogo

[subtle field]

Hey guys, can anyone help me with this?

Following this priority, step 4 says to envenom for Poison bomb. would i be spamming envenom then basically all the time ( with cp ofc ) as its 4th priority and i can always gamble for poison bombs

[gaunt moat]

It's ambigous to a certain degree when to use envenom or CT.
Basically:
Are targets stacked on top of eachother? Envenom
Are targets Spread / is CT bleed about to run out? CT

The AoE for poison bomb is pretty small

[subtle field]

Yeah, sorry if i didnt phrase my question correctly. but its not about CT. Its basically anything after 4. Because this is not a list step by step this is a priority. So me being able to do Priority 4 Again and Again and Again would have me ignoring anything after 4

[balmy condor]

Due to the constraints of wowheads requests when making the rotations page, it’s impossible to list out things in a priority from top to bottom

[subtle field]

That makes sense. Thank you!

[balmy condor]

You’re correct that 4 is a “dump” for cp repeatedly, but the stuff below should be seen as more situational/cooldown related things while the above is rotational

Kinda how that’s laid out

I agree it’s confusing though

[subtle field]

Well you cleared up the confusion, thanks again 🙂

[balmy condor]

That entire page is kinda dogshit because of the tool if I’m being honest

Rotation page is a pain to maintain and has very little functionality

Kinda just is what it is

[subtle field]

Well you made the best of it probably

[balmy condor]

I try to

They don’t make it easy

[normal otter]

some additional questions to the rotation / priority. I just noticed that even in a heavy mutli target group fan of knives sometimes only generates 1 combo point. So when to use multilate and when use fan of knives?

Also for me it feels like youre using ambush really rarely because you optimaly want to use empowered garrote to as many targets as you can in the 3 secs after stealth when you dont have IC up.

[balmy condor]

Correct to all that

Fok on 2 if you’re not in Deathmark, 3 if you are

[storm onyx]

Fok at 2 targets?

I have missed that one

[idle inlet]

Is there a way to sim for target situations like sarkareth where sometimes there are adds and sometimes there isn't. If there isn't is there a way to know which trinket is best or just stick with the decent trinkets and you are fine

[tacit otter]

there is a way, but its not really easy if youre not really into simc stuff. for a normal person like myself just stick to the decent trinkets you would play anyway

[balmy condor]

And if you’re not a normal person you stick to the trinkets you would play anyway too

Because adds aren’t your problem

You play rogue

Not warrior

[polar fiber]

So toxic thorn>slimy boots? I thought toxic thorn was oversimming

[tacit otter]

not anymore, they sim correctly now

[prisma carbon]

Any reason the opener in the faq mutilates after SnD instead of using Echoing Reprimand?

[tacit otter]

both is fine, ER slighty better but not enough to edit faq pictures again

[gusty mirage]

the ER after snd is like super new

like in the last 10 days new

[prisma carbon]

i see

is this also okay or is delaying trinket til after rupture bad?

[tacit otter]

this would be the optimal usage, get dots up -> beacon -> sepsis -> dm

some people use beacon on pull and vanish but not a gain, just a convenience

so the picture does is perfectly right

[prisma carbon]

okay perfect ty 🙂

[gaunt moat]

@proper tapir I just realized your m+ doesn't have iron wire. you are dead to me

[runic hinge]

That's what i use

[gusty mirage]

shun him

SHUN HIM

[proper tapir]

Firstly, Iron wire should be baseline wtf blizz, also yeah just drop something for it, VR is a good choice

I mean... I did include tests with it. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4NYBQgedaA3wQg6wEY4YPE

Maybe that gets me unshuned but just 24 hours with no emojis or something?

[tepid lichen]

Can sin play with sub gear? I.e. full crit vers or crit mast

[runic hinge]

I like iron wire because it confuses people. They expect mobs to start casting after a certain point and then it’s delayed and their brain doesn’t work

[proper tapir]

Yeah, you just gotta put the buttons on your bars and hit them - gear doesn't change that

[tepid lichen]

X d

Why do I ask questions here

[spice spire]

We’re crit mast gamers anyway

Yeah

[tepid lichen]

Ty

[thin scroll]

Guys, is there a known bug with Leeching poison? My logs show 0 leech healing even though Im 100% sure I had leathal poisons on (dmg is in the logs) and Leeching Poison too (since I used tea) on a M Kazzara fight

[runic hinge]

You have to reapply poisons every time you zone in anywhere

[thin scroll]

pretty sure I did but its a known bug then?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[thin scroll]

also, previous pulls had the leech healing

just checked

maybe its when I went out to buy runes hmmmm

[quartz kraken]

where do i decrease the size of this WA as a whole https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight

[clever kindle]

Regarding echoing reprimand and anima charged combo points, is there a general ruleset for this, like we should or should not be using it for rupture

and is that just sent on CD after opener

[spice spire]

Rupture is fine to use

And yes

[clever kindle]

Thanks

[thick sail]

@quartz kraken if you type /wa, then click on Luxthos, the right side of the add on should reveal a bunch of tabs. I believe in the first tab there's a slider, try changing it to like 0.8 and see if you like it

And go from there

[clever kindle]

Also, for the sepsis opener, for the initial sepsis stealth garrote after hitting ER-> Envenom do we wait for that to hit pandemic

or do we just hit it right away and sac a few seconds

[quartz kraken]

damn son ty

is instant poison default lethal?

[idle inlet]

Big no default poison is deadly poison and then amplifying is your other lethal poison

[quartz kraken]

alright, here it says insta is default https://www.wowhead.com/de/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/abilities-talents-pve-dps

[pure comet]

Insta poison? I only use it when trying sub

Never heard of this playing sin at all

[tacit otter]

you dont, its just the passive you get at lvl 1. at row 1 in the spec tree you get deathly and you use that always

you never use instant as an poison

[quartz kraken]

can you use 2 lethal poisons? thought its 1 lethal and 1 other one

[spice spire]

It is only under passive abilities

If you have DTB you use two lethal

You’d never use instant

[tacit otter]

its deathly (always) + amp if you use dtb

[quartz kraken]

whats dtb again?

[spice spire]

Deadly is instant + it ticks.
And amp if you talent into it

Dragon tempered blades

[quartz kraken]

oh now i see, its a talent deep into the tree

[pure comet]

I dont know about wowhead but should be correct since the guy who did this guide is one of the best sin players I know at least

[tacit otter]

you can find all the abbreviations in the #assassination-faq

[quartz kraken]

thats way better than the wow guide, not just the abbreviations

ty

[idle inlet]

Can someone tell me why the fuck is stormeaters boon still a relevant choice in aoe

[tacit otter]

faq and pins are always good resources

[spice spire]

Uncapped trinket

[idle inlet]

Yeah but it's good at 5 targets

[quartz kraken]

with DTB i would use Amp and Deadly as lethal, atrophic and numbing as non lethal?

[spice spire]

Uncapped and overtuned

[spice spire]

Yes

[quartz kraken]

[gusty mirage]

atrophic or numbing

can't have both sadly

[tacit otter]

athropic + crippling (you cant use numbing + atrophic because its a choice node)

[quartz kraken]

oh true

[gusty mirage]

[proper tapir]

Just to be clear, the rule is use charged points with the regular finisher rule. Some folks get confused by SnD usage with charged points, SnD doesn't consume charged points.

[proper tapir]

Do you mean ER - > rupture?

[vestal wren]

just bring 2 rogues

[royal lantern]

and other jokes you can tell your kids

[barren fiber]

hey guys, i'm trying out sin this expansion and i've got a question concerning the aoe rotation, i read the guides but couldn't really find an answer for my question; i saw an assassin rogue simply spam crimson tempest like it was black powder, in aoe situations is that better than casting envenom over and over after applying the empowered garrote and rupture on everyone

now i know sin hasn't really been that good in aoe ever, but im simply curious how i can at least make it work in some dungeons

[gusty mirage]

short answer: doesn't matter, as long as your bleeds are rolling, you have slice and dice up, you can spam crimson tempest, or spam envenom to fish for poison bomb procs

[barren fiber]

that's something i need to get into the habit of, i'm so used to playing sub and never really worrying about reapplying my SnD

i find myself not activating it at all on sin since i dont get it passively

[tacit otter]

you mostly only have to press snd once, after that envenom extends the duration of snd with the cttc (talent)

[barren fiber]

yeah, i should get into the habit of it

[hasty vine]

yeah you press S&D even less on sin than sub. and as mentioned it's not super important in AoE which finisher you use. if crimson tempest is already up on everything with enough duration, then i like using envenom for funnel and keeping up the envenom buff, and that helps with S&D

i think optimally it's been said envenom for poison bomb is better during 4 set buff

[royal lantern]

in most dungeons you press it once

except if you have 40sec+ downtimes bettwen fights cus people died and need to run

(delete SnD btw)

[hasty vine]

tru

[frigid kestrel]

What are we using to sim right now, because last week when I ran a droptimizer it told me Nelth trinket was an upgrade. Now that I have it, it’s telling me not to use it.

I gotta be doing something wrong

And I mean are we using nightly or weekly

[spice spire]

Nightly

[balmy condor]

latest

[royal lantern]

not trusting the sim robot

[balmy condor]

had a guy last week tell me "sims don't play the game, I do"

[subtle tundra]

Yea ig I blue parsed mythic 😃😃😃

[frigid kestrel]

It’s not that I’m not trusting it, I’m just seeing two separate things and it’s hurting my brain (also it’s not hard to hurt my brain)

[balmy condor]

could be you changed gear or simmed differently idk

or it's so close to not being an upgrade that it's within margin

[clever sapphire]

was he defending my AP build? Not even i could argue why i took MA

[royal lantern]

i see, a fellow enjoyer

[balmy condor]

nah

[gusty mirage]

based

[proper tapir]

I mean, I half agree... Sims don't play the game, my weakauras do

[balmy condor]

kinda true

neltharion is just a weakaura boss

[blissful forge]

wait

wa's working on echo?

thought you need to do some cringe macro shit for the private aura thingy

[spice surge]

Its some cringe WA shit

Where it wont tell you what to do, but give you a list where it shows all of the people with the debuff and you have to manually count which number in the list you are

Instead of the WA telling you what number you are

[mortal tusk]

The sepsis buff is not consumed by blindside procs, but they will be consumed by regular ambush casts. If you're using a stealth bar (or some sort of macro) to turn your mutilate into ambush, you need to get rid of it. >> During my sepis I just can't click on my ambush that are blindsided...

so i use mutilate instead...

[gaunt moat]

I'm starting to think taking cloak from the vault wasn't worth it. The stamina loss is harsh

i'm dying when i shouldn't

[blissful forge]

i mean the cloak is like -30k hp

its not that big if you press defs. correct xD

[balmy condor]

what?

[mortal tusk]

When I can use a stealth abitlity from sepsis and I got a blindside proc, I just can't click on ambush, it won't let me, until I use garrot. (happens a lot when i wait for the 2nd empowered garrot). is it normal ?

so I use mutilate instead

[balmy condor]

no that's not nomral

why can't you click on ambush?

[mortal tusk]

nothing happen

[covert patrol]

i played it on m sarkareth without any issues

[balmy condor]

HUH?

[mortal tusk]

gonna retry now on dummy

[balmy condor]

you have a blindside proc

[gaunt moat]

not so great in m+ against bleeds

[balmy condor]

and you press ambush

and it does nothing?

[mortal tusk]

no ok fuck me

forget it

it work just fine 🙂

the spell wasn't on the sthealth bar...

2 weeks that I was struggling with this...

[blissful forge]

elusiveness, CV and HP

easy pz

or dwarf it x)

[vapid sierra]

are toxic boots a craft

or boots with an embel?

[spice spire]

Craft

Toxic thorn boots

[vapid sierra]

we still run toxic patch with it right?

we just swap out boots?

[spice spire]

Yes

[vapid sierra]

its not on simc

found it, its footwraps

[scenic horizon]

wish we could get the spark back. I have 447 slimy boots.

[spice spire]

That’s a cursed emote

[scenic horizon]

its how I feel fr.

[vapid sierra]

its not that bad

for me its .4%

[next arch]

Yeah but it's .4% more damage

Sporecloak?
Cringe, healing is the healers job.
Toxin thorn boots?
More damage

[balmy condor]

guess what now buddy

[spice spire]

?

[pure comet]

[spice spire]

Hate this

[balmy condor]

on god

[scenic horizon]

Beautiful.

[spice spire]

Why

Did you do this

[balmy condor]

Idk

Why is a thing

[vapid sierra]

so is shiv 1/2 cp generation random

and er 2/4?

[balmy condor]

They generate 1 cp and 2 cp respectively

Seal fate can proc, adding 1 cp to each

[scenic horizon]

im curious, is there a reason in the non exsang opener that we dont ER rupture into sepsis deathmark?

Guess I've played exsang so long now it feels weird not to

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t make a difference really

The er with shiv can give you an extra envenom sometimes

But it’s not really relevant

[scenic horizon]

I shall absorb this knowledge. Thank you.

[balmy condor]

Holy

What an art piece

[scenic horizon]

Ty. I made them for a friend.

[balmy condor]

My favorite is still the couple days where a sepsis garrote background change in the sims cause exsang openers to spam rupture for 30 seconds before casting exsang dm

And it only being -2.2%

[oak sky]

[scenic horizon]

amazing, truly amazing.

[balmy condor]

Assassination truly is the push buttons spec

Amen god bless

[scenic horizon]

I feel the same way playing my dumb shadow priest alt except I get to do 300% more damage in dungeons with less effort. Actually feels awful. I stay loyal to the rogue though.

[vapid sierra]

so how do i sin on sark in heroic? ive only ever cleared it on sub

feel like timmings would be weird

[balmy condor]

Depends how fast you’re clearing it

Usually holding sepsis is a good idea on dark

[vapid sierra]

sepsis for when he disappears after adds?

[balmy condor]

For after intermission

When he disappears it’s for like 3-4 seconds and you step back

No reason to care about that

[vapid sierra]

im holding sepsis for after the very first intermession

after glittering

we phase it quick there

and then i come out with dm and sepsis up

do i just do the opener sequence?

where would vanish fit into that

[balmy condor]

you would vanish in p1

[vapid sierra]

ah as pin says

and then since im already holding when i get up itll be up for second dm

[balmy condor]

yeh

the sepsis covers you for the 2 min

[pure comet]

I'm a happy rogue tonight

[vapid sierra]

sepsis garrote fade= when the second sepsis garrote is in pandemic right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

I like letting it expire and then double garroting

which is technically worse

but my brain has the feel good juice when I do it

[vapid sierra]

if rl wants me to run wound poison

[balmy condor]

and I'm an ape

[vapid sierra]

which posion do i drop

[balmy condor]

neither

you tell your raid leader to eat shit

[fading wigeon]

Wait what...

[loud light]

I can only imagine it's for zaqali when the warlord heals up but there are like 5 different specs that bring better versions of that effect

[tall atlas]

I’m in bed sorry can’t sim. Are the toxic sexy sneakers a lot@better than the slimy skechers?

[vapid sierra]

thats what i tried telling them

but w're having issues with adds

[fading wigeon]

Probably because people aren't dealing with the rocks

[vapid sierra]

on sark

[balmy condor]

can't help

[fading wigeon]

Oh sorry, someone above said zaqali

Lol

[loud light]

wait it's wound for sarkareth?

no way

[wide bolt]

no never

[vapid sierra]

yeah adds healing

does it even do something?

im having to play sub

[loud light]

well p3 they have the buff and you can't get rid of it, but still

[vapid sierra]

since it woud be too mcuh loss as sin

[vapid sierra]

cant help? as in it doesnt do something on adds?

[balmy condor]

as in you're playing a rogue

and you don't have anything to help

[vapid sierra]

but doesnt it reduce the healing they take?

and wouldn that help since they heal>/

[balmy condor]

they ain't fucking supposed to

[vapid sierra]

ahh its cause we carry the adds over in

p2 adds heal p3 ones dont?

[blazing jewel]

Is this mythic or heroic sark

[vapid sierra]

heroic

we get caught on this boss every week and its piss annoying

[loud light]

p3 adds heal and there are no blossom to remove the buff, you just dps through it

[blazing jewel]

Can have any sort of knockback to push them into the puddles

And they will get insta killed

[gusty mirage]

why

why is this a thing

[tall atlas]

The problem isn’t the adds heal it’s probably your raid isn’t hitting them enough

I honestly didn’t even know they healed so just

Go sub and black powder them to death?

[vapid sierra]

got sark cloak

[dark token]

You just take wound poison

It's like 0.4% DPS loss

Oh noo

[balmy condor]

HUH?

[dark token]

Oh sorry thought this was sub channel

Yeah on assa it blows

Sub my instant poison does like 500k dmg while wound poison does 300k

Oh noo

I actually take wound poison for p3 prog on mythic sark, maybe when people get better I drop it

Worth doing as assa as well until people get used to it

Just temporary for prog

[earnest remnant]

never once went wound

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

p3 adds gets blown the fuck up

[gusty mirage]

you've said a lot of fried takes over the last 3 years

but I'm impressed

this one is actually outdoing the others

by a lot

[dark token]

Idk seemed worth on our prog to see more of p3

[gusty mirage]

its worth inting your damage to "see more of p3"?

[dark token]

You don't need the boss damage until you get used to it

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

brother

just go back to sub

[balmy condor]

I'm getting a headache

[dark token]

All the adds not dying due to losing people from p2-p3 transition, wound poison made it way more consistent and we got to 3rd black hole a couple times after starting running it

Losing some boss dam to reduce pullcount and then swapping at the end seems worth

[gusty mirage]

if they're not dying because you're losing people

and you need wound poison for them to die

what benefit are you getting from "seeing more of p3"

with half the raid alive

meaning half the raid isn't actually "seeing" more of the phase

[dark token]

Practicing and understanding mechanics

[gusty mirage]

if you're floor pov how are you practicing anything

[dark token]

True actually

Floor pov people the ones that need to learn

[gusty mirage]

esp on that boss when if someone gets too many stacks and goes down

you pretty much wiped the group

[earnest remnant]

even with like 5 people dying to p2-p3 transition the adds got blown up in just a few sec

[dark token]

Idk ur group pads way more than mine

I was also able to run black powder on neltharion as a result

[earnest remnant]

so many classes come out with cds

[dark token]

But on sark it's not working out

[earnest remnant]

and they do passive cleave

just went to check

first add set with everybody alive tho

lived for 11 sec

which is just enhance + 2x fury and evoker in cds

[ruby birch]

Let me help you out

[ruby birch]

Wound poison…?

Why don’t you just bait the blossoms correctly

[blazing jewel]

full charged evoker breath go brrrr

[gaunt moat]

If adds are the issue an not boss damage, might as well take Crimson tempest

[balmy condor]

I mean

notter's got a point there

[thin gate]

is toxic slimy patched rn in sims?

[gusty mirage]

both boots are simming fine

[thin gate]

ty

[gusty mirage]

only thing is toxic thorn doesn't take into account you using crimson vial

which will eat damage procs

[thin gate]

was it affected by the ring healing at all?

because i dropped onyx annulet now

[gusty mirage]

I'm not entirely sure, I know leech didn't proc it

[thin gate]

aight, ty.

[vapid sierra]

if im dotting adds on zskarn for energy

do i just get a rupture out? or is garrote better

[balmy condor]

just throw a rupture out

they die real fast

no point hitting it with a garrote if its gonna die that quick

[vapid sierra]

ty

4cp would be fine rgiht/

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vapid sierra]

since its for energy and not dam

i always find myself finishing fights trying to waste tea since i horde it too much

need to be sending tea a bit more

[balmy condor]

I'd probably consider 3cp as well

[vapid sierra]

boss will be at like 10% and ill be like shit got a tea charge and one coming off cd soon

dude holy fucking shit

dotting those adds is like a free tea

96 parce

ill take it

[idle inlet]

Wait is rupturing for energy in fights like something that will net you non negligible damage

[balmy condor]

it is technically better, yes

[idle inlet]

But it's not gonna bring you from a 60 parse to an 80?

[woeful meteor]

you can get 99s on zskarn by just tunneling boss, its more of a min max

[balmy condor]

def not

it's gonna take you from a 97 to a 98

[shrewd remnant]

Hey how is Assass rogue feeling with recent damage buff?

[spice spire]

4ish% better than it was

[balmy condor]

[supple snow]

How is realizing half of the kit is bugged feeling ?

[verbal fox]

Hi, is anybody already replace onyx annulet with normal 447 ring? crit haste is used? I have 10%
Sim says that I should not replace it, better to craft crit/mastery ring to replace the other one.
Or even I want to replace onyx, better to craft Haste/Crit.

I wish I never knew what a sim is!!!!

[ruby rover]

Feels like as long as you are ok with either pretty good ST or kinda borderline passable AOE, but never both at the same time, you can make it work

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

I replaced mine with a haste/mast 447 craft

but it really depends on your gear

[verbal fox]

Thank you for the answer. It is difficult to have similar weight of stats :/
Will try to have crit haste 👍

[sharp viper]

you can do gear compare on raidbots before you get it crafted to see which stats, gems and enchants to get

[final sky]

hey! just wondering what i should be crafting along with my toxic boots? cant find what item to craft

[deft flicker]

Toxified armor patch on either chest (if you have 4-set in other slots + only want to play assa), belt or bracers (if you want to multispec)

[final sky]

thank you!

[floral shoal]

Quick question: if Fragment is oversimming 18% I could just lower its ilevel. Down to roughly which ilvl would I have to sim a 437 fragment?

[balmy condor]

Uhhhh

If you knock like 20 ilvl off of it

It’s probably close enough

[floral shoal]

Thanks, will do.

[fluid dust]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[bronze silo]

Hi, I have a somewhat stupid question, is it worth to go tauren for sin rogue in raid? or it isn't that much net gain over blood elf? thanks in advance

[next arch]

Race difference is like a % at best.

Tauren look ugly af so no.

[clever sapphire]

Having cool transmog is the biggest % gain you can have. Changing race is worthless (unless you are like top 0.1% of the playerbase)

[blazing jewel]

Usually racial abilities are much more impactful in raid than the 1% dps at most

[deft flicker]

Purely for passive - nah

[blazing jewel]

Dwarf isn’t far behind and has stoneform which is usually more impactful than Tauren

[deft flicker]

The only races I’d consider worth rerolling to performance-wise are Dwarf (any of them), Nelf, Orc (mainly for PvP). Everything else is like less than 1% difference (easily negated by gear diff, procs, uptime, etc)

[next arch]

Bro, animations and mog >>>> DPS gain.

Bonus for both though.

[deft flicker]

rock and stone moment

[royal lantern]

belf is not even good for almost 8years now, yet elf stans still say its a great thing

lmao

+race doesnt matter

[deft flicker]

Edited that in, thank you

[hollow cedar]

Dwarfs stone form has some good uses that’s why I like to be dwarf

[blazing jewel]

That’s what deviate delight is for

[next arch]

I like your big words but I don't know what that is

[deft flicker]

My rogue is dark iron purely for mole machine

[royal lantern]

ye, its just funny cus so many people always say "omg i go belf cus the are strong!!!" when belf is not even a strong option, they just wanna be a generic fuck elf

but yeha

racials dont matter

and are cringe anyway

[deft flicker]

My only elf is a DH (because no other option)

[next arch]

Vupla master race

[deft flicker]

Yet like half of alliance chars are one of the dwarf variants because they look cool af

[next arch]

Dwarf. 💤

Wish dranei got snappier animations. Last time I messed with them they where garbage.

[deft flicker]

They’re very new to rogue craft, give them some time to learn the moves

[clever sapphire]

Undead best racial for lvling, first i beat them, then i eat them

[next arch]

racials don't matter.

Yeah ok, can't hear you over my 8 extra bag slots and free place a hearth.

[random fossil]

[blazing jewel]

[ripe basin]

racials dont matter until you play night elf, raid oce times and have a haste buff for sub. Basically like having no racial at all

[blazing jewel]

Melding mechanics in keys

[deft flicker]

45s Vanish moment

Imma go mole my way to fucking Draenor real quick

[grim jay]

ngl

dps-wise its irrelevant even in top 0.1%

[grim jay]

that would be fucked up

[deft flicker]

Why??

[grim jay]

why would a world in which half of the people playing a faction and thinking that dwarfs look cool af not be fucked up ?

[blazing jewel]

They are playing for stoneform smh

[deft flicker]

Oh, me blunder

My alli chars

Not all of them

But dwarf is an unironically solid race to pick in both lore, transmogs, visuals and performance

[grim jay]

dunno I'm pretty basic

I play human or any elf variant

[royal lantern]

mate

that thing is set to "always day" in dungeons/raids

just saying

thats how IMPORTANT racials are

people dont even know how they work

[deft flicker]

Nelf moment

Well, at least you can corpserun faster while leveling

[grim jay]

I tbh dont even play a shaman bcs the coolest alliance race for that would be dwarf

and I dont even like dwarf

so only the crossfaction stuff "recently" got me thinking about playing a shaman alt

[normal otter]

!Exsanguinate

[deft flicker]

Not even Kul Tirans??

[normal otter]

did they fix the Exsanguinate bug yet? Or is it still not worth picking it up?

[deft flicker]

Still not worth it

Still not fixed

[normal otter]

@deft flicker what do you play instead of it? Most players in high keys still just use it

[deft flicker]

Master Assassin, so you can grab Iron Wire

The discovery is rather new + some probably find Exsang useful to get 4-piece active faster

[normal otter]

what about fatal concotion and flying daggers?

[deft flicker]

You still want Iron Wire though

Or if you don’t you can spend 2 free points there

[normal otter]

okay thanks a lot!

[cobalt hemlock]

tbh human on something like senarth was preety nice

or there are bunch of mechanics if you fuck up you get stunned

[royal lantern]

if you got stunned during senarth

wtf are you doing

[woeful meteor]

Just call for bop/freedom instead of moving 🙂

[royal lantern]

learning pug rule #1 again

never invite a prot paladin

they all suck

fotm apes that dont know what they are doing

[clever sapphire]

DH tank is probably next up on the list, seeing how popular its becoming

[royal lantern]

man

this paladin is doing 360 with the adds

cleaving me all the time

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt he stun p3 random people. only other thing i can think off is tauren for raza but racials are niche and they should be

[clever sapphire]

I would say your positioning is off and should look at the tank more

[grim jay]

I sometimes took a stun to squeeze in more dmg if I had stacks bcs someone was too stupid for his webs

so I human racial'ed that aswell

[clever sapphire]

You see just play feral and if you got stacks, you transform to bear and back to cat

No more stacks

[deft flicker]

That sure is nice but I don’t think you’d reroll human specifically for that

[stray sage]

I like Arcane Torrent in M+, removes a lot of annoying stuff like spikes on those basiliks in legacy, shields in legacy/vortex, shock troopers buff in halls

[gusty mirage]

[tall atlas]

As the 21st best sub rogue on magmorax normal I agree

[lavish nebula]

eww sub rogues

jkjk i just cant play it to save my life

[balmy drum]

So ...is 'Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch' BiS for both embellishments? ...I have been trying BiS sims and boots+patch seem to be lower in dps

[runic hinge]

It’s toxic patch

[cunning nest]

Just to be sure.. As sin rogue?

[balmy drum]

yeah

[balmy drum]

Like 2 of those?

[balmy drum]

1.7% dps loss according to sims

[spice surge]

There is no way toxic thorn boots+toxic patch sims 1.7% less than 2x shadowflame

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

Unfortunately from my experience I had to gear compare sim it unless I already had the pieces in my inventory

Droptimizer was giving me weird results lol

[spice surge]

Hmm

[rose chasm]

question, im new to assassination rogue. do we ever spam tempest at a certain mob density? or just keep the bleed up and envenom

[royal lantern]

you can do both

it doesnt really matter lmao

[tacit otter]

The first time I see heavy movement being used haha

[gusty mirage]

sad but true

[spice surge]

Heavy movement

[balmy drum]

Its even less with light movement ... I wonder if its because of using 2x 'Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch'.

Actually there is no dps gain ...because I'm comparing 428 boots vs 437 ... so its about the same damage to use 2x 'Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch' than Boots+toxic patch according to this simulation

[short forge]

anyone know whats the stats weight on M+ and Raid for assas? (round about ~)

[tacit otter]

iirc raid: crit > mast >= haste > vers
m+: crit > mast > vers > haste (roundabout). but just sim what you have and take the highest number

[shut owl]

Keep both up as best as possible, and then spamming either only really has a noticable difference if the pull is weirdly spaced. Mobs moving a lot/not stacked yet? CT. Otherwise both get you similar punch, but envenom is easier to spam and not worry about upkeep on to me

[light goblet]

Am I stupid? Where does the lurking specter armwraps come from?

The wrist slot for the assassination sim

[blazing jewel]

Catalyst

[light goblet]

ahhhhh ok thanks

[light goblet]

Any way to tell the exact secondary stat numbers on the sim?

[deft flicker]

Raw HTML report, maybe

[light goblet]

Im hard geared for sub and we arent reclearing heroic anymore, so trying to see how close I can get to the stats with dungeon gear

[gusty mirage]

why would you go through that effort

[shut owl]

If you're geared for sub you're probably geared well enough for sin

[quartz kraken]

General Rotation:
All finishers should be used at max-1 combo points. This means 4+ (max of 5) without Deeper Stratagem, and 5+ (max of 6) with Deeper Stratagem.

sometimes i happen to have 4 CP and can use a finisher, but what do i do when i have 3 CP? use one more mutilate?

[deft flicker]

Mutilate or Fan depending on target count

[balmy condor]

You would mutilate on 4 as well

[deft flicker]

@balmy condor do you think having access to 7 cp on a regular basis would be good for assassins??

[random fossil]

I love u guys

Specially @balmy condor

[royal lantern]

would not really change anything tbh

[clever sapphire]

make mfd great again

[balmy condor]

For what purpose

[royal lantern]

lol, fuck no

[deft flicker]

Idk other specs seem to have fun with an extra cp, wonder if it’d be a welcome thing here as well

[royal lantern]

how is it fun lol

its just more dmg

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

and sub/outlaw have more CP flooding, so they dont even care gameplay wise

[clever sapphire]

imagine mfd sepsis and exsang in the same build

[royal lantern]

sub casualy getting 10cp+ from a single stealth shadowstrike during shadowblades

kekw

[balmy condor]

I don’t see how needing to mut 1 more time depending on crit rng would be more fun

Or really how it would do anything whatsoever

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-died-cat-gif-25105417

[clever sapphire]

you know what? lets add kingsbane in there too

just so its even more cursed

[quartz kraken]

but why does it say finisher with max CP - 1

[balmy condor]

Because that’s the threshold

You generate until that point

[quartz kraken]

but i would overcap then when my max is 5 CP no?

[balmy condor]

We play with deeper strat everywhere

[quartz kraken]

oh ok didnt know that