assassination

[grim jay]

How high do you sim now ?

[balmy condor]

uh

nearing 126

I think the sepsis fix zipped me back down under 125 though

[night delta]

I guess you hit a crit DR breakpoint ?

[balmy condor]

idk I guess

[blazing jewel]

sepsis fix

[balmy condor]

it wanted haste/vers

[grim jay]

I'm at 124k-ish without this weeks craft and still no bomb

Sitting comfy at 0.7 haste

[balmy condor]

yikes

[blazing jewel]

was the sepsis fix already in raidbots tonight

[balmy condor]

just sim latest

nightly is for chumps

and weekly is for idiots

[night delta]

the lack of haste and overabundance of vers on our set gear really depresses me

[blazing jewel]

I ran sims like 3 hours ago

[steel ridge]

i just got a 447 tier headpiece with boatloads of haste 😄

[balmy condor]

should've been in probably

[blazing jewel]

cool

should be like 127-128 when I fix my gear

[balmy condor]

would've just meant you crafted the vers instead

[grim jay]

I always wonder how people get depressed over stuff they realistically dont feel and isnt big

[night delta]

I suppose, maybe that would've felt even worse in a way

[night delta]

it's not about feel it's about principle

vers is a pvp stat and that's the end of it

[grim jay]

Its a boring stat but

If you think about it mastery is aswell

So it is what it is

[night delta]

well I kinda not like our mastery much too tbh, boring also

but

at least it can be not-boring for other specs

so it's tolerable

[vestal wren]

i think its fine to have some things boring

[grim jay]

Is there a spec where mastery isnt just a passive increase or something close in an important way ? Dunno

[night delta]

also tbf, as sin rogue you really feel the diference between low crit and high crit, at least

that's a really feel good stat

thanks Seal fate

[grim jay]

Well yeah, I personally think crit always feels best because big animated number popping up

But even more so on rogue

[night delta]

haste I feel also makes a difference, to a lesser amount, between low haste and high haste

of course a few % won't feel like anything

[grim jay]

Dunno, tbf I only ever felt a real diff with reasonable amounts of haste on casters and arms

[night delta]

when in BfA I switch to the haste bleed build with corruptions

it really didn't feel the same as before

[raw plover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[raw plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[stray sage]

I like the mastery on MW because even though it's passive it has a condition

[grim jay]

Corruptions werent reasonable

[night delta]

honestly yeah, but feels nice to get on to some really unreasonable shenanigans once in a while

[fading mason]

are slimy or thorn boots bis now ?

[night delta]

thorns

[fading mason]

both in mp and st ?

[grim jay]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

ye

[grim jay]

There youll always find up to date sims

[night delta]

anyone got a good weakaura for bomb dispenser ? don't wanna forget i got a charge up

[pseudo hamlet]

About the new 10.1.5 patch notes:
Almost everyone is getting +%dmg compensate for the Annulet while Assa is getting nerf?

[grim jay]

I mean

[pseudo hamlet]

Some auras are changing from 5%(last buff?) to 2% and others other way around

[grim jay]

They literally said they compensated classes where it still was really good

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, of course, that's totally understandable, but nerfing Assa?

[grim jay]

And was/is it really good on sin ?

[sharp viper]

would someone be kind enough to tell me how I can add crafted head (with and without socket) and crafted ring to a topgear sim?

[pseudo hamlet]

Wait, some auras are also changing from 2% to 5%. So I have totally no idea what's happening there...

[pseudo hamlet]

String from wowhead + change the ilvl (just write ,ilevel=447 after it) and add the socket manually in the raidbot.

[grim jay]

Just dont read the data changes

In the official Patch notes there is no nerf to sin

[steel spire]

our lives are in sim lords hands now 🙏🏾

[grim jay]

The top sims will be the same as they are rn

[normal mist]

Use gear compare in raidbots and add different combos

[pseudo hamlet]

So these changes in auras are simply described, having no meaning.

[normal mist]

It's fairly easy to do once you open the page

[balmy condor]

assa got no compensation cause the ring isn't bis, and the aura stuff is just pvp modifiers to reflect the live auras

[pseudo hamlet]

Wasn't sure, thanks for clarification!

[balmy condor]

np

[grim jay]

The only important thing about the data changes post is the BM ranting

[frozen jasper]

Is there a way to disable the red text that shows up at the top of the screen when using bomb dispenser macro and it isnt ready yet? Found the Option to disable the voice but cant find it for the text

[royal lantern]

sec

[royal lantern]

#showtooltip Mutilate
/cast Mutilate
/use 13
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()

just replace mutilate with whatever ability you want to use

[wet tusk]

Question: I got Nelth Trinket HC and Bombs HC... this vault I got Beacon HC and Dice 441.

whcih one should I pick? which is better in general? I usually just play Raids

[frozen jasper]

Thanks, worked

[royal lantern]

sim, but nelth+bomb is equal with beacon+bomb

beacon has funny crit rng, nelth has "does it proc when it actually does something" rng

[wet tusk]

so probably dice for casual m+ running since bombs arent great there right?

[night delta]

"it's still recharging" "it's not ready yet" gonna get annoying damn fast with that bomb macro lol

[royal lantern]

disable error voices

in your settings

[grim jay]

Beacon is pretty fire in m+

[night delta]

oh shit yeah, i totally forgot about that

gracias

[grim jay]

And you dont take 441 dice from vault thats a waste

[wet tusk]

or do I just trade vault for a socket

because bomb+nelth is same as beacon

[gentle gyro]

I had 3 wrists and boots in my vault. I took a socket

[wet tusk]

rest for me is pretty shit aswell. Sark dagger HC which I already have, chest non tier and belt (have crafted one)

[gentle gyro]

i have crafted wrists (engineer) so they are a dead slot for me. same with boots.

[keen spruce]

socket for me too

I am rather socketed suddenly tho

[visual hemlock]

we still wear onyx annulet until new patch is live?

[keen spruce]

if you ahve better rings you dont

[wet tusk]

@keen sprucedo you use beacon and bomb dispenser?

is 2 on use trinkets good?

[keen spruce]

it's fine

i'd like to replace beacon

but i haven't gotten essence or nelth or dice yet

[wet tusk]

ah ok

[keen spruce]

o i forgot i had a socketed offset hat too

full sockets now

would like some actual 447 upgrades now

[sharp viper]

completely forgot that existed, thanks

[fading mason]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[subtle oxide]

What do you guys think about bugged tier set? Does it bother you at all? Coming from pvp side it feels really bad to convert your pieces to tier and not be able to stealth or vanish, when rupture is ticking

[grim jay]

We dont stealth in combat in pve

So we wouldnt know it even existed mostly

[keen spruce]

i didn't even know that was an issue

but sounds pretty annoying for pvp

but didn't rupture always keep you in combat

[subtle oxide]

Yeh its driving me crazy, i have 2 set and dont use it

No it doesnt do that without 2 set

You can test it on dummy. Rupture and vanish, your stealth will break after 3 sec

wont happen without tier

[keen spruce]

oh it actually breaks you out of stealth

yeah that's a bug

sounds like it would kinda make assas dookey

[subtle oxide]

Yep… people have been reporting it for weeks already

[balmy condor]

Yeah doesn’t bother us at all in pve land

[subtle oxide]

Damn 😅 so cant expect blizzard to care enough to fix it then

[subtle tundra]

haha im so glad...... we get changes..................

[wooden kiln]

Hello hello, sorry to bother you but I don't undestand why I lost 500ish dps on sim while I just added a socket to my gear ^^
Is it only the new raidbots patch with somes fixes?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cthBkD11di142xMTe1QDzC sim from today
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wX4ApJw6yhU3RsSkn6GYpy sim from monday
Ty for ur time 😄

[grim jay]

Uwuspyr added some fix to sepsis

It simmed slightly higher than it should

[toxic night]

2p Stealth bug also affects pve if ure using shadowmeld night elf to get the empowered garrotes

But its huge in pvp for the 10 assa player that are still pvping

[celest ruin]

does damage from nelth trink count towards corrupting rage damage taken counter?

[royal lantern]

common elf player L

[grim jay]

Playing nelf

Macroing racial/stealth and garrote might work just fine tho

[subtle oxide]

You have to be careful to meld and stealth between ticks

Only melding wont empower your garrote

[toxic night]

I mean meld into stealth sometimes its insta combat so you wont be able to stealth because of the bug

Its like 50/50

[noble rock]

Hi, im new to raiding with assasintation, can i ask why are you using sepsis, and not using exsang?

[grim jay]

Because sepsis is better

[noble rock]

Thanks

[blazing jewel]

Exsang is bugged don’t ever talent it

[noble rock]

What is the bug?

[blazing jewel]

Doesn’t interact with deathmark correctly

So it’s a dead talent now

[noble rock]

Thank you

[radiant sedge]

Ey guys, talking about stats , its like 40-40 on crit mast and around 10-10 hast vers?

or maybe less haste than vers

[pallid spear]

I'm struggling to decide if i want to play sin or sub on sarkareth. ive been playing sin for a week now and we have reached p3 but i kinda feel like 2min sepsis isnt the way and been considering SBS - id appreciate any feedback

[blazing jewel]

Both are suffering

You’re talking about mythic right

[steel ridge]

i think i missed last weeks spark weekly... shouldnt i get half a piece from m+`?

[strange trail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

you will be last dps as any rogue spec on that fight

doesnt really matter what you do

it just sucks for rogue

[keen spruce]

stat weights are a lie. just sim your current gear / bags and use what's best

[grim jay]

Sub ultra pad build should work, but you might get booted

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, but if you play ultra pad during Progress, you deserve the boot 10x

[vapid sierra]

What’s the ultra pad build? Just m+

[clever sapphire]

ultra pad is probably just skilling black powder xD

[blazing jewel]

It’s basically picking between better prio add damage or better boss damage

Both will have very minimal impact on your raid and you should play whichever you’re more comfortable on

Sark is very fun for rogue

[olive moth]

I've seen a couple conflicting posts, should we be using storm-infused or freezing ice primordial for m+?

[shrewd night]

Freezing Ice (single target) or Storm-Infused (m+)
Taken from the faq, so I dont know whats conflicting unless whispyr has said soething different

[olive moth]

Thanks mate. If I find it i'll link it.

Its the wowhead guide by whis

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/primordial-stones-onyx-annulet

[raven merlin]

so sepsis just oversimmed or does sepsis now do less dmg?

[olive moth]

@shrewd night

[normal mist]

Is it normal that 441 bombdispenser + 437 beacon outsims any combo variation of nelth trinket 444?

[shrewd night]

@balmy condor

He will update one or the other when he wakes up ig

[hollow dirge]

does so for me too, but since both beacon and nelth are quite a bit rng, it's mostly preference

[normal mist]

For me the difference is huge, sim wise

Nelth bomb/beacon < bomb / beacon by like 300/400 dps

[royal lantern]

300dps is not "huge" when you sim for 120k+ mate lol

[pallid spear]

yea i know i just felt like sin would have the edge in boss dmg but comparing toplogs sub vs sin its kinda even

[clear granite]

any1 simming less than last week without changing anything?

[vagrant wagon]

onyx ring nerf?

[clear granite]

but it is not on live is it?

[blazing jewel]

For only having a few sin kills id say this is good boss damage

I cut off the settings that’s boss damage on m sark

[woeful meteor]

didn't insane like me play CT how tf does he have best boss dmg

[royal lantern]

sims got updated

[blazing jewel]

Maybe didn’t swap to prio adds idk

[royal lantern]

sepsis was slightly oversimming

[blazing jewel]

Nah he didn’t play tempest

[woeful meteor]

just checked he had tempest last week

[blazing jewel]

Was for his first sin kill it looks like

Yea I was checking the same I thought I remembered that too

He was near the top for boss damage in his raid

Uh dks gapped everyone but that’s to be expected

[royal lantern]

Noooo

UNHOLY IS UNPLAYABLE AFTER PUZZLEBOX NERFS

[blazing jewel]

Lol

My guilds uh details name is bossfuckerx

[grim jay]

D E A D

[grim jay]

Mine is Buff Rogue

[blazing jewel]

I was haste enjoyer

And then cosmetic dps after the first prog night on sark

[woeful meteor]

Delte Sub

[blazing jewel]

Y

[grim jay]

I had Dagger Detlef before

[primal jolt]

is it okay for me to throw in haste crit on my crafted items?

or is it illegal

[blazing jewel]

Just sim your craft options

[grim jay]

Everything is okey, might not be the most optimal tho

Except playing dwarf rogue

That shit isnt okey

[primal jolt]

im troll rogue xd

[sweet dawn]

Goblin Rogue supremacy

[cunning nest]

Troll, too. Like always, sim your self bla bla.

My Sims arent that consistent, so stats are hard to tell. But that only goes to show how close they are. For me, after I go over 40% crit baseline, it always starts to put haste higher and higher. Personally, ill take 1-2% crit more then and go haste after. I like haste, but I dont rush it, because it is so weak in aoe

[grim jay]

That sounds like stat weights stuff

[lone agate]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[toxic burrow]

What on earth is that pfp. Is that... ._.

[cunning nest]

Kinda, but not the function with the same name. I always sim the 4 Ring enchants against each other.

But I'm open for more precice tips

[primal jolt]

finally someone cool

❤️

troll gang

[cunning nest]

Since wc3, mon ❤️

Darkspeer never die

[primal jolt]

since wrath

mon

[cunning nest]

(except when RL says wipe it)

[primal jolt]

i do feel guilty changing my skin to yellow from the og purple

but i like my yellow skin more lowkey

[cunning nest]

Dont be that racist Bro

You are full blood Troll even as sandtroll

[primal jolt]

for darkspear <3

[olive moth]

It's that puppet Alf from that 90s sitcom

[gaunt moat]

you're looking to replace it?
I'm devating wether to take it or not from vault

[keen spruce]

heroic essence is like 1100 dps upgarde

lol

dice is like 2-300dps

[gaunt moat]

it's +800 dps over dice for me

[sharp forge]

can i turn crafted gear into catalyst item?

[keen spruce]

[drifting cloud]

dont think so

[gaunt moat]

not far though if essence got all colors

[toxic burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/penis-thats-a-penis-meme-memes-gif-21094962

[keen spruce]

o mythic was 1100

nvm

still tho

also

if you have beacon in trinket slot 1

it will always crit twice on 5m patchwerk

but it in slot 2 and it will crit once

more realistic

@gaunt moat

[gaunt moat]

you're cheatingh with the corrupting rage pot

[gaunt moat]

huh? what kinda weird bug is that o_O

[keen spruce]

idk if it's like a bug or a thing or what

but it's been consistent for me for like 2 weeks

80% uptime rage phial

[vapid sierra]

Onyx isn’t bis anymore is it?

[keen spruce]

Still

[gaunt moat]

you're right 😮

[keen spruce]

yeah idk no one seems to talk about it

lol

[gaunt moat]

I'll open a ticket about it

[keen spruce]

i've brought it up a few times

[gaunt moat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dHoGT3gdit6PBFm8wtwFny/simc

wait i'll get you a better sim

There's defintely a consistant difference

[earnest remnant]

link the sim

[gaunt moat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/evVYkegXL8FiivKiH84Qfs/simc

[limber lion]

You're comparing Beacon + Bomb to Dice + Beacon

......

[earnest remnant]

it has 41.2% crit

[gaunt moat]

fuck right, let me fix that

[earnest remnant]

reason why you are seeing changes in what slot it wants, is due to 2x on use

[gaunt moat]

cverion is right

yeah there's no differnce between slots

[limber lion]

Yep

[subtle tundra]

thats within margin uwu

[keen spruce]

idk i ran like 40 sims

[gaunt moat]

not sure why i tested with loaded dice, but doesn't matter

[limber lion]

When it's one passive and one active trinket, it's always the same

[keen spruce]

and slot 1

always crit twice for beacon

and slot 2 always crit once

[gaunt moat]

let me try with bomb dispenser

[limber lion]

Sorry Shmeeps

but you're delusional

The iteration also always picks 1 out of 10 000+ iterations

But yeah, there's no black magic there

Don't worry

Sim 1 and Sim 2 crits

[gaunt moat]

so it's just because it delays beacon since it used bomb?

[limber lion]

Double on-use is a different case

But yes if you delay the trinket and miss out on a cast, that's pretty big

[gaunt moat]

let's see it on 6 minutes

[subtle tundra]

yes so in some cases it loses a cast cause fight durations vary

🤓

[gaunt moat]

so technically shouldn't be a differnce in 6 minutes

huh, or maybe still not good (6m)

[limber lion]

That's not how variance works

6m doesn't mean 6m

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[limber lion]

It's still missing casts on 6m

[gaunt moat]

I thought it would give it enough time to use it again

[subtle tundra]

fight duration still variesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[limber lion]

It sims 20% around the specified fight length

[subtle tundra]

on average its 6m

[limber lion]

So 4:40-7:20

[crisp shard]

How much worse is Toxic Thorns in game comparative with sims?

[limber lion]

Toxic thorns sims correctly

[keen spruce]

i'm not sayin i have proof. i'm just saying that's what i observed over like 3 days of simming

[crisp shard]

The whole healing procs is incorporated?

[subtle tundra]

if you know the fight duration and you cant get 1 more cast, then you start with bomb. otherwise you start with bacon

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[limber lion]

It's okay. Now you know

I looked at one single sim and both had the same crit chance

[keen spruce]

i quit caring cuz essence beat both

[limber lion]

Like I said, it sims correctly

[gaunt moat]

On most fights though you'll get 3 beacon casts, right?

[subtle tundra]

no

on hc or mythic

[gaunt moat]

mythic

[subtle tundra]

ok i dont mythic raid

[drifting cloud]

why is 3 casts relevant

[gaunt moat]

Just figuring how many times it "should" be used

[drifting cloud]

last 2 bosses are 7:20~, so not like 3 casts is amazing for that time lenght

[limber lion]

Also not sure if you know, but the sims uses the bomb trinket 3 times in a row before using the beacon

So it uses Beacon at 40s

[drifting cloud]

it same thing as getting 2 casts on a 4:50 sim

[limber lion]

Would have to sim it a bit differently if you wanted to single bomb then beacon then bomb

[gaunt moat]

I'm starting to think i should just take cloak

[keen spruce]

it's still doing it

idk man

maybe my sims are truely cursed

[limber lion]

Link it, let's see

[keen spruce]

i mean it's just one example

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gpLfeUEAeLuWSjwRLuhWjz

slot 1

[limber lion]

But you said you've done it what 50 times now in 2 days

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tvVyboEdviLjGJKS9Ffupe

slot 2

[limber lion]

Should be pretty consistent

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean i can't get it to do anything else

[limber lion]

Why do you sim quick sims and not gear compare

[keen spruce]

i just logged over to do it quickly idk

one sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j2fGEtm6Hci3ZoFkBuqtQX

[limber lion]

#1 sim, #2 sim

I guess you're just hitting the jackpot with your quick sims

[keen spruce]

gear compare too

and it was doin it for top gear

and droptimizer iirc

[limber lion]

Still the same 44% crit on gear compare on both of them

[keen spruce]

ig it's kind of helpful

if it keeps happenin

so i can see high roll vs average

[limber lion]

I mean I'm not seeing what you're seeing

What are you looking at exactly?

[keen spruce]

and if i do 2 quick sims

one will show like 2.1m beacon

the other will be like 1.7

on 2 casts

droptimizer shows smaller upgrades over beacon if i put it in slot 1

[limber lion]

Not talking about quick sims

Talking about gear compare/droptimizer

[limber lion]

Okay you might wanna scroll up a bit

That's not what that means

The +470 does not mean that it crits

The +470 is the average gain of changing the slots out of 10 000 iterations

It's not a single iteration

The reason it's a gain is because you miss out on casts by using bomb first

The sim uses bomb 3 times in a row before using Beacon, so it uses Beacon at 40s

Which means it will easily lose casts on 4-6mins

[keen spruce]

i mean you still get 2 casts on a 5m

oh yeah

[limber lion]

5mins does not mean 5 mins

[keen spruce]

variable length

[limber lion]

It's 10 000 sims between 4-6mins

There is no such thing as beacon critting

or not

[keen spruce]

so on quick sim

[limber lion]

It's tens of thousands of iterations and it takes the average damage/crit/everything on them

[keen spruce]

is the damage breakdown just averages?

[limber lion]

The quick sim displays one iteration

No, it is not average

It's one random iteration

[keen spruce]

okay so disregarding the other stuff

[limber lion]

Actually

Quick sim could be average

I can't remember anymore. Actually, it's 100% definitely the average.

[keen spruce]

that would make more sense

[royal lantern]

@keen spruce wanna see something cursed

[keen spruce]

cuz if not then my problem still exists in quick sims lol

[gaunt moat]

Does High Percision checkbox do anything on quick sim?

[limber lion]

Yeah it is the average

[keen spruce]

okay that explains it then

i forgot about variable length

[limber lion]

Which one?

[gaunt moat]

if you say it's just one iteration

[limber lion]

Ah right

Yes, always use High Precision

Always

[gaunt moat]

yeah but what does it do on quickssim if it's only one iteration

[limber lion]

The results are always averages

Quick sim is not one iteration

[keen spruce]

what does high precision do exactly

[limber lion]

Exactly what it says

[blazing jewel]

Precisions at a high level

[gaunt moat]

oh, it doesn't RUN one iteration, it shows one randomly. got ya

[limber lion]

Quick Sim still does 10 000 iterations

But it shows you one out of the 10 000 randomly

Except I don't think it does

I remember it doing that, but it definitely does not do that

Just shows the average

[keen spruce]

i'd assume it's the average

otherwise it would spitting out like wildly different numbers

like +/- 15k dps

[limber lion]

It is the average yes

No question about it

[keen spruce]

okay me dum then, just forgot that it sims +/1 1m

so ig put bacon in slot 1 for most accurate

[limber lion]

And that there's 10 000 iterations

I can tell you that it does not crit 100% of the time in those 10 000 iterations

when you slot it in slot 2

lol

[limber lion]

Well

[keen spruce]

i mean that's what i would have thought

[limber lion]

About that

The sim uses bomb 3 times in a row before using beacon

[keen spruce]

it was just drivin me crazy

[limber lion]

But it could be beneficial to use bomb once then beacon

But sim doesn't do that

[keen spruce]

i mean i've just been beaconing prepull

and vanishing

so close enough

to just putting it in slot 1

[limber lion]

Ye

[keen spruce]

but i can still run droptimizers with it in slot 2 for my raid loot prio

[supple snow]

quick question how good/bad is essence? sim showed it's worse than Beacon and normal ncts

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

depends on gear and how many people in your raid are running it with different buffs

for me it's like +600-800dps over beacon with all 5 buffs

flights?

attunements?

colors idk

[supple snow]

thanks

[keen spruce]

and probably only good in raid

[dawn haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[exotic swift]

Hi all... is exsang still busted? ... sorta lost the thread and not sure what the temp alt build is. any help would be appreciated

[gaunt moat]

[exotic swift]

i... did 😦

[gaunt moat]

you did not

[vestal wren]

you can happily skip exsang

🙂

[gusty mirage]

You take the sepsis non exsang build from whispyr or fuu’s sheets and have at it

[exotic swift]

appreciate that. was trying to follow the links around, sorry for the recap request

[normal mist]

Is the Oprah's bomb trinket from zskarn good for m+?

It sounds good in theory

[gusty mirage]

No worries my friend, sometimes it gets hard to keep up with stuff if you’re not in here all day

Get out there and blast

[blissful forge]

if you mean bomb dispenser no its doggo for m+

[exotic swift]

🫡

[blissful forge]

decent in tyra week cause st

but in terms of aoe

even with min maxing bomb usage

[normal mist]

(i was following the Oprah meme of everyone getting a bomb :3)

[blissful forge]

its just bad, i run it in tyra weeks cause it does like 800k-1mil damage over the course of a high tyra boss fight

but you loose aoe by going bomb

and assa aoe isnt the best anyway

[normal mist]

Aight so it's a nono.
Might not even use it at all. I'm doing low 16-18 keys as sub anyway it's fine

[gusty mirage]

Problem is the options for decent trinkets is giga cursed

[blissful forge]

do it like me and run Mythic boon + beacon

[gusty mirage]

But I agree bomb dispenser is super underwhelming for keys

[blissful forge]

till you get either class trinket or essence

[gusty mirage]

Unless you’re talking about bacon

Which is also underwhelming

Good for tyran week bosses with adds that need to die but meh

But that’s only one add in a fight realistically maybe two if you’re fighting the bosses for 8.5 years

[balmy dome]

Does Sin provide 3% DR or 6% DR through poisons?

[spice surge]

All rogue specs provide the same amount of DR

Its 3%, or 3.6% if you spec for it but eh

[balmy dome]

ahh I see, thank you!

[winter gale]

Toxic Thorn or Slimy for M+? Sim says equal on DS

But if I remember correctly, I read something about Slimy being better a bit for that scenario*

[primal jolt]

ngl I took slimy only because i cant bear to have less haste

but yes slimy is apparently better overall

[spice spire]

Wait

Slimy is the one that saps haste

[gusty mirage]

Toxic is better

Slightly

[spice spire]

Toxic is better, difference is small

[gusty mirage]

In dslice they’re about even

If you plan on playing sub at all

Make slimey

[spice surge]

Ill make you slimey

Boots if you send a work order

[gusty mirage]

[sharp trellis]

Hi guys , someone know why they suggested to craft the wrist for the toxic embelishement ? can i craft a belt instead if i already got a high ilvl wrist ?

m+ player

[gusty mirage]

Yeah doesn’t matter where you craft it, as long as you have it. If you don’t mythic raid you’ll never get a higher ilvl belt

Reason we recommend wrist (or helm for sub) is because they’ll be the highest ilvl and you can choose the stats

[sharp trellis]

Ok perfect ! thank you

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

The gif fits you

Because you are just as cute

[gusty mirage]

I am indeed an ape

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

[late birch]

Any suggestions on best trink combo, sims tell me to run beacon+class trinket, but double secondary stat trinkets look sus

just for pure ST

[subtle tundra]

Aaaaaaaaa

[grim jay]

I mean

If the sims already told you

[keen spruce]

we trust in the robit

but i think ur just showing off your trinket collection

[late birch]

Yep that too

[grim jay]

We still didnt decide if its a robo hobbit or a robo rabbit

[keen spruce]

yes

hobo robit

[grim jay]

But it must be the latter since a robo hobbit basically is the same as a mecha gnome

[woeful meteor]

you cant rly complain about someones elses trinket collection while somehow simming for half a billion

[late birch]

408 boon and no bomb ... definitely flexing

[storm forum]

hello, we're not getting compensated for onyx ring nerfs and im here to doom about it

please turn on slow mode at your earlier convenience

i dont actually have anything to doom about, i want the extra 200 stam or whatever

[keen spruce]

yeab but if i had his trinkets i could sim for 2/3 of a billion

[rain oyster]

Wtf is there to doom about? I’ve been using 447s over annulet

[keen spruce]

the aura buff we already got kind of already compensated for annulet

a good set of socketed 441 rings beat it for a lotta people

[storm forum]

i see

[keen spruce]

and i don't want another aura buff cuz they'll use it as an excuse to delay any reworks longer

[storm forum]

i never get sockets or 447 rings so

so i guess im doomed

[spice spire]

Nonsocketed has won for me

[teal iris]

just craft them

[keen spruce]

same

[teal iris]

[rain oyster]

You have a month to farm a 441 ring and take a socket out of vault

[woeful meteor]

Tbf I have clue where you get all the dmg from feel like I have close to your gear and im at like 2k less @keen spruce

[rain oyster]

Or craft em

And get both

[storm forum]

gotta craft boots, weapon, patch, boots again, im doomed, never crafting a ring

[keen spruce]

are u simming with corrupting rage?

[woeful meteor]

ye

[keen spruce]

i'm in full sockets now

[woeful meteor]

ok could be from those

[keen spruce]

holy shit i just got invited toa +2

on my rat warlock

[gusty mirage]

I think it’s cause you’re still playing exsanguinate

[keen spruce]

what are they thinking

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

It’s a 2 bro

[storm forum]

Wowee

[keen spruce]

i mean it's a giga rat

[storm forum]

when did everyone start calling low alt keys rat keys?

[woeful meteor]

I'm not

[gusty mirage]

I’m pretty sure I can solo a 2 on my 420 prot pala

[keen spruce]

well our prot pala has less health than my rogue

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t matter he won’t take damage

[keen spruce]

troo

i don't think i have an m+ spec

for lock

do u think they'll notice i don't have RoF

[gusty mirage]

Prot pally on low keys is actually unkillable

[storm forum]

probably

[limber lion]

Need tier shoulders or legs then I can finally equip these items

Life without tier is pain

As is life with Puzzle Box

[rain oyster]

Prot pally is unkillable FTFY

[storm forum]

i dont think anything lasts long enough in a 2 for you to cast chaosbolt

[woeful meteor]

tbf I just simmed some gear that I just ruled out before since I missed iterations without maxed premium since they should be bad and gained 300 dmg xdd

[gusty mirage]

Better hit up lfr bud

[limber lion]

Already done

Normal as well

[gusty mirage]

Heroic?

[storm forum]

rip

[limber lion]

next in line

[gusty mirage]

Do the weekly for the normal gear

[teal iris]

catalyst? or is that helm catalysed

[gusty mirage]

Maybe snag pants you can sadly catalyze

[storm forum]

you got anything to put in the catalyst or you fucked there too?

[limber lion]

Helm is catalysed

[limber lion]

Already used catalyst on the helm

[gusty mirage]

Oh riparoni

[limber lion]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

I blame @ebon notch

[limber lion]

Only got hands from vault, hat is catalysted and then I have the token

[gusty mirage]

Not funneling my boy

[limber lion]

Surely Rashok/Nelth are nice to me today

[gusty mirage]

Or sark

[storm forum]

that was me last week

[gusty mirage]

Big curio

[limber lion]

What's curio

[gusty mirage]

Omnintoken off last boss

[limber lion]

Oh shit

[storm forum]

2 tier pieces, curio, no 4th piece

[gusty mirage]

Can get any piece

[storm forum]

god bless the catalyst

[limber lion]

I noticed some of them drop on mythic to our boys but had no clue what they were, I thought some mythic only thingy

Okay chances are good

Haven't seen em drop on any other difficulty

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

????

[gusty mirage]

He drops at least a few

[storm forum]

curios have 100% drop rate

[gusty mirage]

I think 2?

[teal iris]

1 curio drops per 10 players

[storm forum]

per 10 players

[mental plume]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Wtffffff

[teal iris]

but its personal loot

so you cant roll on it

[limber lion]

Oh it's personal

[gusty mirage]

Yeap

But tradable

[storm forum]

my guild forced people to trade them

[gusty mirage]

So not too bad

[limber lion]

Yeah I don't look at loot drops, my eyes are focused on the loot roll frame instantly

eyes on the dice

[ebon notch]

what i do

[gusty mirage]

Not funnel my boy

[storm belfry]

Gm homie

Hope your vault was good to you

[woeful meteor]

better check your bags from the last raids then

[limber lion]

Aint got any

[cunning nest]

But why that? Statsticks are usually better in m+

[keen spruce]

chances of getting all of the buffs in m+ very unlikely

so it's just a worse stat stick

i mean probably still fine

if you can build a 5man with all 5 buffs

then pog

but it loses some value quickly with every buff dropped

[amber stream]

!whyspir

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winter gale]

Did anything change in how beacon sims within last few days?

Beacon was 1.2% upgrade for me and now it's 0.3

[amber stream]

I wanted to ask if anything changed at all, last week I was simming 123k, and with the exact same gear/gems/enchants and a chest upgrade, I am simming 121.7k now, is there a bug in raidbots or was there an unannounced nerf?

[limber lion]

Check the order of your trinkets

[limber lion]

Sepsis was oversimming slightly which has been fixed.

[amber stream]

Thanks bud.

[winter gale]

It's droptimizer sim*

[amber stream]

@limber lion If I may ask, where did the exsang point go?

[winter gale]

I don't have it 😦

[ebon notch]

if i have items i cant roll and trade them

cause theyre sam eilvl

funneling is deadge

[limber lion]

Says it in the pin, but you take double shiv and vr

[peak bobcat]

It’s a blessed day

[normal mist]

You bet

[cerulean nest]

how does sin feel on nelth and sark?

compared to sub

[vestal wren]

assassination does get benefits from the haste buff on sark

so it might be the best choice

[peak bobcat]

Progging nelth and it feels fine

[agile osprey]

I didn’t realize that I needed to pick a buff when simming a chromatic essence…

I passed on one with avoidance

[peak bobcat]

Passive trinkets BAD

[agile osprey]

I have yet to find a replacement for my 447 dice

[cinder bone]

Love me dice simple as

[agile osprey]

Need something to fuel my gambling addiction

Bacon crits maybe?

[peak bobcat]

Passive stat trinkets are the most boring thing in wow

Yay 300 dps because I have a rock equipped

[agile osprey]

Double active feels worse imo

[peak bobcat]

Double on use sucks when both give you stats like font of power

Bomb dispenser and beacon feel fine to play

[restive falcon]

do i go do normal for bomb trink even tho on sims its a dps loss over 5 essence combo?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/boNWKGSXNAZZeXoPQ8iDiL

err dps loss if i run bomb/beacon

[ripe relic]

Finnalt replaced 2 crap trinkets yesterday (anvil ans iridius) for bacon and heroic bomb dispenser. Feels good

Also happy to be here. Finnaly figured out how to chat ;] played wrath - mop. Came back in April.

[sage cosmos]

When do you beacon in assa opener, while playing bomb dispenser aswell?

[clever sapphire]

prepull into vanish just to trigger whispyr

otherwise i would say after your first snd

so garrote snd beacon

[sage cosmos]

Alright thanks!

[clever sapphire]

i have the ins and outs of the bacon dispenser double on use playstyle at this point. But im still running around with dice brackenhide trinket

[sage cosmos]

Finally got bomb in vault today, such a relief on the week we decide not to reclear HC before rashok prog since we won be progging rest of week

[clever sapphire]

its pinned, same ilvl fragment is worse

its actually the top pin

[gusty mirage]

my vault was terrible

[vestal wren]

4th socket for me

so can relate

probably don't need it because i will likely craft a ring

[woeful meteor]

Outlaw Reroll

[cinder bone]

Lol love how wowhead guide still has us taking exsang, just checked the pin and cant help but laugh

[spice spire]

It takes a lot more time (and money) to update wowhead

[gusty mirage]

I have a 447 forgestorm

[spice spire]

The same person does both

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/boNWKGSXNAZZeXoPQ8iDiL

should i just only yolo for heroic?

cause normal a dps loss but i feel still better than 5stack essence but sims always right

[spice spire]

It’s whatever you feel is necessary.

[woeful meteor]

Wanted Tusks if outlaw turns raid meta in 10.2, idk if I try for Storm aswell considering that one isnt that good in ST anyway and eranog will be gone aswell

[cinder bone]

well thats a nice weekly chest lol

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage You called it!!

[woeful meteor]

Pog

[spice spire]

[storm forum]

Pog

[gusty mirage]

[pseudo nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[mortal tusk]

weird a lost 2k dps on the sim overnight 😦

[winter gale]

Due to what?

I just realized now that not just I needed 2 more weeks to get Toxic but I also am 1 item/weeks behind on getting 3rd 447 :((

[spice spire]

Have you been using weekly instead of nightly?

[mortal tusk]

i'm using latest

I still have the report from yesterday

[limber lion]

Yeah Sepsis was oversimming, was fixed yesterday night

[mortal tusk]

:/

[limber lion]

[quartz kraken]

i am OOTL, can someone give me a brief TLDR if assa is still gimped and will be with 1.5.?

compared to sub

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[hallow token]

it is ridiculous that we can't put a toxified armor patch on the actual Slimy Expulsion Boots or whatever. So, what piece of gear should I put that on, then? argle bargle

[chilly crypt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cinder bone]

Depends on how many aura buffs sub continues to get lol

[royal lantern]

the "Buff" is a nerf btw

kekw

[rare heron]

hi all, exg works fine? and if not, what talent recomend

[cinder bone]

the best is outlat with an IOU buff in the notes lol

[cinder bone]

exsang broken dont use

either sim or use what top rogues on warcraft logs using for ST

[rare heron]

thx and for m+ what is the best option

[balmy condor]

You play ma

Only other way to iron wire

[proper tapir]

Don't just use whatever top Warcraft logs is using. Sim it. Or use the build in Whispyr's sheet

[cinder bone]

Tempered blades and indiscriminate carnage

[rare heron]

sory for the question but where i can find whispyr's sheet, i m bit new at this disc

[cinder bone]

https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proper tapir]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proper tapir]

It's the link

[rare heron]

thx all!

[quartz kraken]

are u implying assa is ahead or how can i take that statement?

[limber lion]

honestly both pretty similar

[fading mason]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[wide bolt]

Which spec is better kinda comes down to your gear imo

If you have a ton of vers and no haste/mast sub will be better in ST

[proper tapir]

Also since it's a fort week you should try the AP M+ build too, it does better on multi targets but worse in single target.

#1065730164077645916 message

[marsh grail]

brothers

leeching poison is bugged

or just me?

i do 0 healing from leech

ait nvrm changed talents a couple of times and its guchi now

[cursive olive]

Hello, I’m kind of lost, I was planning to craft my embishment today (raid tomorrow), but it seems I should craft something else than the #assassination-faq is suggesting (slimy boot + toxic patch). Do you know which one I choose craft now ?

[sweet dawn]

So at first Toxic Thorn was oversimming and now Slimy expuls is slightly oversimming, if you're gonna be playing just assa go for toxic thorn + toxic patch, if you plan on playing sub and assa slimy expuls + toxic patch is fine too

(If I'm wrong can someone smarter than me correct me)

[proper tapir]

Sim it and see the difference, thorny boots are like 0.8 percent more for me (compared to slime boots)

[proper tapir]

It falls off when you instance

[cursive olive]

Thx for the feedback 🙂

[errant swallow]

What?

[limber lion]

What?

[errant swallow]

was it oversimming for assassination or sub too? I had the terrible idea of staying up last night and run sims all night

[royal lantern]

now have beacon bomb and class trinket

[cinder bone]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[errant swallow]

Grats!!!!!!

@limber lion shoud I use nightly now then?

[limber lion]

Yes

Or latest

[errant swallow]

Thank you sir

Ill check again, because assassination was simming higher than sub last night.

[thin gate]

so what is the current state of assa?

we have any info about oversims done

is sepsis still the way to go

[ionic fox]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[errant swallow]

for me at least, is simming higher than sub.

4% buff to sub in 10.1.5 tho, probably another month <?> maybe.

[half dawn]

can someone ELI5 the envenom play

[thin gate]

@versed raptor could u hit me up if u sim assa later with sepsis again

im curious if sepsis is now still the way to go or we drop it for SBS or w.e

[half dawn]

Do you let the envenom get as low as possible and refresh it at sub 1s? Or do you spam that shit regardless?

[errant swallow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VFWZb8mxRL2EUonbiawsm sub

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5TbQyFexkcSJssbsb5oeJR assassination

[half dawn]

Do you use ER charges on envenom or on rupture only?

[gusty mirage]

you have to reapply your poisons when you zone into a dungeon/raid, it drops leeching for whatever reason

[shut owl]

Both. Just not SnD

[half dawn]

But how do you minmax envenom debuff?

What's the play

[thin gate]

cast while envenom runs out

[shut owl]

Pool mildly for shiv windows

[thin gate]

so ur envenom u cast still has the benefits of envenom buff/debuff

[half dawn]

Ryluk you shit on me in the raid before btw 🙂 im the same rogue

[errant swallow]

Envenom is pandemic too

[thin gate]

oh hi xD

but

dont we want always to have at least one rupture in ER window?

[shut owl]

You're gonna overspam envenom for a lot of dtb, particularly during dm

[thin gate]

like pandemic rupture

[shut owl]

It doesn't matter

[errant swallow]

rupture, garrote and snd

[fossil garnet]

do I give hc beacon to tank or keep?

[half dawn]

refresh envenom on <1 ?

[shut owl]

It mattered slightly for exsang ease, but exsang dead atm. So 5,6,7 cp rupture just determines when you refresh, not the damage it deals per tick

[fossil garnet]

have 441 harlans

[half dawn]

is this UI trackign it right @thin gate

[steel spire]

keep fuck tanks

[inland sable]

hello question : should I wait deathmark 30sec cd when sepsis is up to use ? or just send sepsis when up without manage it with deathmark

[fleet pagoda]

I think that's elaborated upon in the pins, in the Sepsis one

[half dawn]

ngl boys, I STILL dont get this envenom shit

my brain legit too stupid

[shut owl]

Okay, don't worry about it

[half dawn]

do you just sit at 7 CP and wait sometimes?

is that what you do?

[shut owl]

Are you learning sin?

[limber lion]

No

[half dawn]

yeah practicing it or trying to min max

[shut owl]

If you're still learning. Just send it

Don't even track it for now. Track everything else

[fleet pagoda]

you're gonna be pressing envenom a lot, regardless of that buff uptime

[half dawn]

yeah I did and got destroyed by @thin gate by like 20k+ dps overall

with 19 more envenom casts etc lmfao

pepe hands

[shut owl]

Yeah, you spam envenom basically

[half dawn]

fuck i wish i logged that pull

im gonna log my guild HC raid

[thin gate]

i mean yes u spamm it as long as deathmark/Pi/Bl runs

[half dawn]

and share some logs with you boys if thats OK

[shut owl]

You pool slightly for shiv windows; but if you are learning just send everything on cd basically

[thin gate]

if u have problems with ressources u should delay a bit and cast it pre envenom runs out

to keep buff up

[royal lantern]

pooling in DF lmao

[shut owl]

Wow analyzer for sin works great

[thin gate]

i mean tbh just go 12+% haste and 42%~ crit

[shut owl]

It's like... Pooling 1 gcd in most cases, but that constitutes pooling

[thin gate]

and u should have no problems with energy

as long as u play DTB

[royal lantern]

mate

[shut owl]

So much haste

[royal lantern]

stop pulling random numbers out of your ass

[thin gate]

its not random

[royal lantern]

there is no "get x% haste and you have energy"

[thin gate]

i tried it with

buzzing

and howling rune

and howling+buzzing

[royal lantern]

thats some TRUST ME BRO shit rn

lol

[thin gate]

and ur forsure able

[shut owl]

Did you try hissing runes?

[thin gate]

to spamm envenom

and simmed it aswell

[gusty mirage]

there isn't one, you'll naturally have high envenom uptime because its your filler spender

[shut owl]

I've been getting hissing > buzzing just because I'm at nutty crit atm

[inland sable]

I dont find answer for it in pins

[thin gate]

but yes haste has no bracket

there are ppl with 5% 10 % 15 w.e

it depends on your trinkets and secondaries overall

[shut owl]

It's in the sepsis faq link. There's a link to the theory crafting that spells out how the cds line up

[fleet pagoda]

it's the pin from Whispyr on 5/19 titled Final Sepsis Update, take that link

[shut owl]

I thought we had the math on haste to energy Regen and it wasn't much. Or maybe I'm thinking sub math

[thin gate]

simmed it aswell and its worse to me

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thin gate]

but tbh mastery is the stat with versa that affects your globals at least

haste/crit are the only energy/cp affecting secondaries

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

mate

do you even know how much haste "affects" your energy?

[fleet pagoda]

I'm normally at 2k haste, and tried a way lower value for a m+ build. like 1400 or something. even if it on paper that value isn't much the fun factor tanked huge on bosses

[subtle tundra]

HUH

[royal lantern]

answer

my question

please

[subtle tundra]

yo everytime i read this chat

[shut owl]

Get more crit if you want more energy

[subtle tundra]

my brain melts

[shut owl]

Big same

[limber lion]

The haste placebo is so insane

It just never stops

It keeps giving year after year

[inland sable]

found it , read it also but no answer for know if I keep sepsis and wait deathmark 30s or not

[wary ice]

Corruption lingers

[spice spire]

No

You don’t

[shut owl]

Haste is cool and all, but I went from 2k to 400 over two weeks and didn't notice a monumental difference in energy lol.

[spice spire]

If you noticed anything

I’d be amazed

It’s so little

[royal lantern]

10% haste is ~1energy each second

you realise that this means 10%haste is roughly 1more mutilate in 1minute

🙂

[shut owl]

Tldr: don't hold, everything lines up again later

Also the empowered garrote can be slow rolled into dm in fun ways

[inland sable]

Thanks, so have just to send it when up

[shut owl]

Yep

[thin gate]

i know it yes

[fleet pagoda]

does dashing scoundrel proc when a poison ticks or when the poison does instant damage, or both?

[inland sable]

should I line , tea and shiv as I can ?

[thin gate]

only in opener

[fleet pagoda]

on the opener at least

[thin gate]

later

if it lines with ur rotation

then go for it

but dont hold it or w.e

[fleet pagoda]

if you're out of energy and not about to use DM pop a tea for the boys

[inland sable]

ok thanks for tips , is looked like no many cd's brain to use

[pure comet]

[fleet pagoda]

is this a flat rate, or factoring in attack speed bonus/tick bonus for dashing scoundrel procs? I don't see how to find this information anywhere

[royal lantern]

the gain from more dot ticks is so extremely minor that it litearlly makes no real difference there

you wont suddenly get 20 more abilitys and endless energy cus you have 15% haste

its litearlly 1-2 more abilitys a minute

[cerulean raft]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[swift magnet]

double sophic in assa right?

[royal lantern]

sim

[pure comet]

I use it this way

[royal lantern]

for some 1x sophic and 1x the haste enchant is higher

just sim

[fleet pagoda]

I tried 4% haste and 45% crit versus 12% haste and 43% crit for one minute on a dummy, identical openers with DM and got almost 150% the regen on the higher haste from scoundrel+venomous =\

815ish energy vs. 1.15k

[pure comet]

50% haste rogue meta in 10.1.5

[spice spire]

That’s a very low sample size

Try 5m

Per

[fleet pagoda]

it is a low sample

[thin gate]

just bring back corruptions

[fleet pagoda]

but it's also prety substantial difference

[shut owl]

Try 100x samples

I've got logs where my 40% crit rating landed me 14% crits landed. Doesn't make crit a dead stat

[fleet pagoda]

okay

if it's consistent across 100 samples what then?

[shut owl]

Then we can talk again. But that's 198 more tests to run so I'll see you in a couple hours

[spice spire]

Drawing conclusions from 2 one minute (ish I’d assume) dummy logs is WILD

[fleet pagoda]

at least i'm trying it for half a sec and sharing against all this push back 😦

[pure comet]

Let the boy alone

I might call my friend Jon Jones to talk to you all

[shut owl]

I'm not trying to bandwagon you on this. I'm pointing out a flaw in your argument because I do similar meta challenge stuff too

I run a meme sepsis m+ build to mess with whispyr/go mongo mode on tyrannical week.

[spice spire]

Yeah I mean it’s indication at best, incomplete data at its reality.
I’m not saying “heck you pal, don’t be so stupid.”
I’m saying draw conclusions with more complete tests, that one has a lot of issues from the onset is all.

[shut owl]

But you've pulled two tiny data points and are trying to weigh it equally vs a LOT of other points. A better sample would be to poll a lot of pulls on warcraftlogs, check their energy gain vs haste ratings

[royal lantern]

the reason the sim bot works is because it runs your "i hit the dummy for a couple min" a thousand times over and over and gives you the average result

you cant just go and say "i hit the dummy for 2min and thats the result" cus thats not how it works at all

thats like saying "i used beacon 2x and it didnt crit, its a bad trinket"

[fleet pagoda]

i did hit the dummy and that was infact the result. i agreed it was a low sample

[shut owl]

Right. But statistically the sample is too small to be valid

If I flip a coin and it comes up heads twice, it doesn't mean the coin never lands tails

Better example: I flip two coins and both lands heads; ergo tails doesn't exist. Is basically your dataset conclusion

It's possible both coins are rigged, but we can't tell from just this data

Here: looked at parses from two of the top 100 sin mythic rashok kills within 4 seconds kill time:
One of them had 3k energy from VV and the other had 2.6k.
The difference? There wasn't one. The lower energy parse had 200 more haste. Our energy gain is variable

All I learned is that notter had an insane run on rashok

[frozen gorge]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shut owl]

Quick edit cuz on mobile and accidently zoomed out of a DM on one of them

Tldr: you can get more energy with less haste, on a shorter kill, and with fewer PIs just due to rng. Sample size matters

[fleet pagoda]

who was the second person in that comparison?

[limber lion]

And I got the dice now as well, easy 11k dps in a day

finally

Time to log off for a week

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce Nocniqt passed me with 129k dps. so goodluck 🥲

[lapis osprey]

Do we have any idea how much fragment is oversimming rn