assassination

[balmy condor]

it's an execute sim

for p3 nelth

cause if I actually sim regular

it would never in a lifetime recommend dropping it

[keen spruce]

what the parameters?

just execute for a certain time frame?

[balmy condor]

ye

[keen spruce]

how long? i wanna try now

[balmy condor]

max_time=145
vary_combat_length=0.05

it's not the most accurate thing

since the sim would get like

a second dm and whatever

[keen spruce]

ye

[balmy condor]

but it's close enough I guess

[keen spruce]

what are you droppin for 3/3z?

venom rush?

[balmy condor]

shroud

[keen spruce]

o

[balmy condor]

you play this on rashok and nelth

[keen spruce]

does that switch it back to the OG season 1 opener from like week 2

or just same same

[balmy condor]

nah just the same

you only need 1cp snd to start

rashok you play it cause you get the 4 min dm right when the execute hits

nelth you play it cause you're holding dps in p1/p2 constantly

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

and p3 dps is the only relevant damage

[keen spruce]

on rashock it's not tho. does the 4 min deathmark make up for it?

or is it just to dump damage early in p3

[blazing jewel]

where is my crimson tempest to pad nelth

[balmy condor]

I mean both

rashok you get the 4min deathmark at 36ish%

if you're on slowest pace

but typically you'll get it at like exactly 35%

cause people are a bit ahead

so it's money

but general execute in p3 when it's rough

never a bad thing

[keen spruce]

we're leaving 2nd intermission at like 30%

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds about right

you get dm at the start of it

[keen spruce]

so yeah probably 35% at 4m

[balmy condor]

it's like intermission starts

you get dm 3 seconds later

[keen spruce]

yeah that checks out

[balmy condor]

vanish towards the end of the intermission

I did rashok sims at one point

and sims did a little bit of

so

[keen spruce]

notter tech sounded cozy just rippin vanish on top of sepsis on 2nd deathmark

so you get 4min deathmark with full vanish empowered

and probably a 4th dm at the end of the fight

well definitely with our kill time

[balmy condor]

well you always get 4th dm

[keen spruce]

ig just trading better emp garrote time on 2nd deathmark for full emp garrote coverage on 3rd

around 2nd dm*

[balmy condor]

yeah

it should be pretty equal I would think

like the timing in my head

[keen spruce]

yeah probs

[balmy condor]

cause you get 5-6 seconds of dm imp gar with the vanish at 2min, and then like 15 seconds after

[keen spruce]

sims seem almost same same for a 6:30 kill 3/3z vs standard idk

[balmy condor]

which is 25 sec

[keen spruce]

for me at least

yeah you lose quite a bit

slamming vanish over the top of sepsis

well idk

i feel like i normally vanish like 4 seconds after DM

at 2m

[balmy condor]

that doesn't sound right

[keen spruce]

par for the course for me

oh i'm baconing pre pull? that's probably screwin something up

[balmy condor]

uhhhhh

[keen spruce]

and i'm still doin the gar-snd-mut-mut-rupture

[balmy condor]

shouldn't tbh

send log

[keen spruce]

grabbin, i might just be misremembering

i also forget to vanish constantly

until like 2s on garrote

but lemmy find a clean oen

[balmy condor]

I do that too, I just tell myself It's so I can double gar the vanish and full extend

makes me feel better about myself

but then I remember that it's worse

and I cope

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gjR9PmdXt4VcJyHp#fight=20&type=casts&source=14&view=timeline

2nd sep garrote at 1:57

dm at 2:09

vanish at 2:16?

so 7 seconds

not sure if that was scuffed tho

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gjR9PmdXt4VcJyHp#fight=23&type=casts&source=14&view=timeline

[balmy condor]

get that gar out of the way

[keen spruce]

dm 2:09
vanish 2:14ish

[balmy condor]

wait huh

[keen spruce]

on that 2nd one

[balmy condor]

how the hell you do that

[keen spruce]

wot in tarnation

[balmy condor]

you just

randomly found 3 seconds of cdr

I guess

[keen spruce]

wait mine says 2:09

when i open it

[balmy condor]

on the first?

[keen spruce]

ye

[royal lantern]

idk, i always slam vanish during dm when gar is at pandemic timers

[keen spruce]

I always thought that was a weirdge garrote

also ignore the vanish gar env gar on the 2nd one

i was doin science

[scenic sky]

Rogue changes used vanish

[shrewd night]

No way man

[balmy condor]

yeh idk looks good to me on these

[keen spruce]

yeah i just did the new oepener

on a dummy

deathmark came out with 12s left on emp garrote

at the 2m one

13/12s ish

so 6-7s ish sounds more correct

before vanish

but definitely don't delay 3rd DM for vanish cuz the 4pc is getting scuffed on the last one as is yes?

[balmy condor]

correct

[keen spruce]

o7

i'll do some fiddling next raid

[livid ruin]

Do any of you go wound poison on sanguine this week to compensate for bad tanks?

[shrewd night]

I go crippling just to annoy tanks even more.

[balmy condor]

not worth the dps loss

[uneven summit]

why no SS if i may ask :-)?

[balmy condor]

cause in the context of the fights we were discussing, the 3rd zold point is better

[uneven summit]

fair

SS still doesn´t work with sepsis stealth, right?

[balmy condor]

correct, still 1 cp

[lavish hazel]

On which boss ?

[balmy condor]

rashok and nelth

[lavish hazel]

What when I tryed it worked am I drunk

[lavish hazel]

I was hesitating between zlodyck and ss but ss is really powerfull on 2 targets tbh

On 2nd add on nelth

[balmy condor]

what if I told you

that zold also works on the add on nelth

[royal lantern]

how does the opener without SS even look like

just the normal one

[balmy condor]

ye

doesn't change

[quasi osprey]

Is ss sbs or am I missing something

[keen spruce]

shrouded suffocation

extra cp on stealth garrote

[quasi osprey]

Aaah right ty

[delicate hemlock]

that was nice I came to check my vanish timing on 2nd DM and theres a whole convo about it right above 😂 thanks psychic discord ❤️

[lavish hazel]

I am gonna try then

[primal jolt]

ive played assassination rogue for years

been playing wow since wrath

and i just today found out you can shadowstep to an ally

:^)

[lavish hazel]

Wtf

[normal mist]

That's a new level of gameplay you just acquired

Also you can shadowstep to an ally on any spec

[primal jolt]

i was in a voice chat with some friends

stealthed behind alextraza

i told them look at me kill her rn

just to press shadowstep

and blow my mind

[grim jay]

Dunno if thats necessarily true

Considering I do know that and I barely use it in any mentionable fashion

[keen spruce]

can be pretty handy in keys

[primal jolt]

i never had a chance to shadowstep to an ally since id always just click or tab to an enemy

[normal mist]

And pvp

[primal jolt]

i mainly raid

[spice spire]

Yeah keys and there’s scenarios like mythic Denny where it was pretty useful to step to a dk

[strange python]

whats a good amount of haste to get for pure ST?

[spice spire]

During the pushback

[keen spruce]

0-20%

[spice spire]

More than 0, we don’t fixate on numbers!

[keen spruce]

w/e sims tell you

[primal jolt]

i could've survived so many frontals or cones in my life

[keen spruce]

somewhere between 0 and 4000

[primal jolt]

if I just shadowsteped an ally

[spice spire]

Just listen to smart robot

[blazing jewel]

stepping allies helps sometimes

[keen spruce]

robit best boi

[delicate hemlock]

when in doubt, wait till the last moment then mouseover shadowstep to a random ally on your raid frames and hope they are a better player than you

saves me a lot

[strange python]

I've done sims just wondering what others are playing with roughly

but cheers

[spice spire]

Holy mother of skill issue

[keen spruce]

i was only being half sarcastic

[spice spire]

The knock back after the gate

[blazing jewel]

HUH

[keen spruce]

but like literally 0-20% lol

[grim jay]

So is a robit a robotic rabbit or a robotic hobbit?

[keen spruce]

yes

[spice spire]

I’d have died 100000% there

[keen spruce]

i've bounced between like 3 and 16% throughout season 1 and 2

[keen spruce]

same

[blazing jewel]

I was intensely clenched there

[spice spire]

It would have never happened to Vel tho

He’s simply built diff

[strange python]

Yea I'm at about 4% atm but still feels lacking int he rotation ect

[keen spruce]

you need an enormous amount of haste to feel any difference

we always get energy starved around 1:30 when our tea runs out

[grim jay]

I play with 0.7%

[strange python]

Yea that I do feel. Well I will need to fix some items with haste at least. Btw is the sims in the sheet correct regarding as Assi we swap to Toxic Thorn shoulders instead ? Doesn¨t it still proc the healing thing more often than the dmg?

[blazing jewel]

vel would have killed the boss before that pull

[spice spire]

True and real bestie

[spice spire]

It doesn’t more often

[keen spruce]

toxic thorn boots. sims are fixed now

[spice spire]

But will sometimes munch

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Overall it’s the better choice

Because of the stat reduction on boots from slime boy

[blazing jewel]

if im playing sin on reclear do I craft those

[keen spruce]

if you already have slimy check other crafted items for best upgrade before switching. slimy's still good

[strange python]

yea I guess better to lose stam than 110 haste

[spice spire]

Toxic boots? Probably if you have the free spark

[blazing jewel]

thanks qtpie

[strange python]

I know. I need to craft some other piece at least first with the spark we get this week. Been lucky with weps in vault so already 2x 447 weps x)

[keen spruce]

nice

I thought i got lucky every vault

until sims updated

or patches hit

[strange python]

Sark cloak, 447 wep, 447 wep and bis 447 ring so far ^^

[dark token]

I got 447 socket belt, 447 tier, 447 tier, socket

[keen spruce]

my dumbass took a 447 cloak first week

so immediately de-prio'd myself from every sark cloak

on heroic clears

[dark token]

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor How come BOTH your warriors are Fury?
missing adds dps or something?

[strange python]

Well so far I haven't seen it drop at all in all my hc clears xD

[spice spire]

Classic shmeeps moment

[dark token]

That's why you ask for the normal trinks and you get the first mythic one

[blazing jewel]

DE your cape and then demand your rl to replace it

[keen spruce]

then a 447 fragment, and was notified about it's oversimming 2 hours later

[spice spire]

The 4p is nutso

[balmy condor]

just what they play

[spice spire]

For fury

[blazing jewel]

I think arms could be the play for sark after the buffs

[gaunt moat]

Does fury have execute?

[blazing jewel]

the non prio adds are just pad

so the 2t cleave and execute will go brazzzy

[keen spruce]

they seem like pretty much prefernce rn

[grim jay]

447 tier, socket, 447 weapon, 447 tier

[spice spire]

Fury has some yeah

[keen spruce]

fury better cleave, arms better execute. both pretty okay at both

and overall dmg in the raid pretty close

[strange python]

Just bring assi for execute x)

[spice spire]

Yeah now arms buffs make it competitive. But before it was fury 10000%

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, but at a 0.0% wipe, you kinda want the execute

[balmy condor]

this is our p3 damage for the whole night

[strange python]

At the 0.0% wipe just fix people dieing early xD

[keen spruce]

lots of people probably just staying with fury cuz they started the tier on it and they're comfy

[spice spire]

The adds are also turbo fucking the tanks

It’s a weird balance on p3

[balmy condor]

idk if I'm gonna be the ones telling the warriors to swap

seeing the meters

[blazing jewel]

filter by boss damage in p3

[steel ridge]

what fight is that?

[blazing jewel]

also whats niko doing

[keen spruce]

cries in boomkin

[blazing jewel]

ourking

[spice spire]

Ethical gamer

[balmy condor]

if I filter only deep p3 pulls I will be humbled by the dk dw

[gaunt moat]

80% uptime on the mage for whole night 👀

[blazing jewel]

do you just fan once to get poison on the adds

[balmy condor]

the dk doesn't get cds for a while

[blazing jewel]

or is it fan spam

[strange python]

Well the Dk is getting PI's

[balmy condor]

fan spam into envenom seemed better

[lavish hazel]

Whyspir did you kill nelth

[balmy condor]

no

[lavish hazel]

How many%

[spice spire]

Fan spam does seem better, getting the IP on the adds

[keen spruce]

he's arcane. not like they gonna do any dmg outside of CDs anyways

[blazing jewel]

if he played exsang he would have

[spice spire]

0%

[steel ridge]

what the fuck

[spice spire]

Exsang less dam

[blazing jewel]

uptime is a bad metric on wclogs

[strange python]

Uff

[blazing jewel]

ITS A JOKE LAUGH NOW

[lavish hazel]

What the fuck

[steel ridge]

literally dead on my screen xD

[spice spire]

You missed

Vel would never

[blazing jewel]

miss this

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

arcane mage will always show as lower % uptime than other classes

[balmy condor]

yeh

the 0.0%

was 87k hp

[earnest remnant]

so nelth soon dead?

[spice spire]

One more PB proc

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[blazing jewel]

and then he gets to one shot sark

[steel ridge]

guild name checks out then

[grim jay]

Did your people crit their bacons?

[spice spire]

I was really hoping I woke up to the kill too

[gaunt moat]

Well you're gonna get new crafted items this week, that should help

[balmy condor]

beacon sucks on that fight

[uneven summit]

i mean playing rasz mythic stepping to friends was any rogues savior

[gaunt moat]

Me when Gate didn't work

[grim jay]

Its still best tank dps trinket overall no ?

[lavish hazel]

Im playing irideus what about you

[uneven summit]

exactly 😂

[keen spruce]

stepping to designated DK

[balmy condor]

well yeah of course tank uses it

but dps

nah

p3 is 2:25 at best

[blazing jewel]

stepping to a warrior that insta charges during p2 knockbacks is bis

[balmy condor]

find me a way to fit a 2:30 trinket into a 2:25 phase

dogshit

[keen spruce]

DK in death's advance

most cozy

[balmy condor]

dice/bomb

because I don't play bad trinkets

[keen spruce]

dice must be nice

what's that like

[lavish hazel]

I replaced dice by irideus for 6.15 bl execute

Is it int?

[spice spire]

Rogues talking about stepping to people, but did they ever think about stepping on people

[balmy condor]

yikes

[lavish hazel]

Idk assa I’m an outlaw onetrick I just wanna execute the boss

And outlaw is not made for that

[balmy condor]

yeah but fragment sucks

so

unlucky

[uneven summit]

bomb/class trinket dream?

[lavish hazel]

Ok then I’m going back to dice

[blazing jewel]

look in ot I want lana del ray to step on me violently

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

class trinket is rng as fuck too

[grim jay]

Ive seen more dices in FH this season than they have at the retirement home

[uneven summit]

big true

[keen spruce]

i got 5 puzzle boxes season 1 and delted them all

this is my penance

[steel ridge]

i got the matrix trinket from firelands which does a pretty good job at not being giga random

[balmy condor]

like if you want consistency, you play bomb + dice

if you want to rng, you play bomb + beacon

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tSYn8FhJGSqyv31mpAzNLW

convince your guild to give u essence

[uneven summit]

fragment sims like 500 ahead of dice for me

[balmy condor]

pins

pins

pins

pins

[clever sapphire]

if you want rng you play bacon and class trinket

[balmy condor]

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

pins

[spice spire]

Oh god

[normal mist]

Pins!

[uneven summit]

i think i broke whispyr

[balmy condor]

I'll put it at the top

so you don't have to scrol

[normal mist]

[gaunt moat]

Crazy man. just do +17, it's just as good as 20

[spice spire]

I think raid broke whispyr

[keen spruce]

chance at more loot over 20

also +17 pugs are 10x more sketchy than +20s

[gaunt moat]

you know what also has higher chance? that the group disbands

[grim jay]

Big true

[clever sapphire]

whats this "loot" you keep talkin about

im never getting any

[keen spruce]

just theoretical

not observed by me

dice is like dark matter

pretty sure it exists

but no proof

[grim jay]

Just get in bcs its a quick key for weekly

[clever sapphire]

thats eranog ring for me S1

[grim jay]

Loot it

Done

[clever sapphire]

never saw a single one drop

and i raided every week last season

[gaunt moat]

our feral that wants to play survival:

[spice spire]

That’s cursed

[deft flicker]

Outlaw has free dice by default, with more pictures as well

Just sayin

[spice spire]

I’d also like to observe that no one asked.

Just saying

[grim jay]

And you lose braincells as a bonus

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

(I’m very sorry, it was open)

[grim jay]

I had to lower my volume

[keen spruce]

i'm at 40 FH this season

[keen spruce]

and haven't seen a dice drop for anyone

[grim jay]

Because I constantly heard that outlaw sound

When it procced

[keen spruce]

it's funny cuz outlaw players can't read this meme

[deft flicker]

I just did

[spice spire]

Let’s not bully wtf

I feel bad enough I just did it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/issa-joke-its-a-joke-im-joking-gif-7246089

[spice spire]

Also @keen spruce next time you have a cursed sim, @ me, I have a response

[grim jay]

Yeah, its not right to make fun about that sort of stuff

Its not their fault

They are born that way

[keen spruce]

is this cursed

[deft flicker]

[spice spire]

Before reviewing this I’d like to look at July 28, 1992. I want to review this date because it was in fact, not yesterday.

[keen spruce]

am i too sleepy or dum to get the joke

[spice spire]

(I wasn’t born yesterday, I ain’t validating that one)

[keen spruce]

baby got back was #1 on the US charts on your day of birth

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

so anyway.
Shmeeps, when's your next raid

[keen spruce]

saturday

The only thing of note that happened on my birthday was a gas explostion on a passenger train in india

[spice spire]

An omen for your WoW career of simming me thinks

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

The more important thing is that quakes zodiac sign is monkey

[keen spruce]

i saw that

[spice spire]

That is accurate

I am a monkey

[keen spruce]

okay i slep

[blazing jewel]

No

[keen spruce]

it 3am

sooner i slep sooner my vault opens

[blazing jewel]

Make more cooked sims so we can be entertained

[keen spruce]

well it seems like people are getting on the dice train now

so maybe my sims not so cooked

[royal lantern]

damm, what did you do

[keen spruce]

also the most cooked sims are my vault choices

so sooner i bedge, sooner we cook

[keen spruce]

ok bye bye night night

[deft flicker]

Gnight duck boi. May your vault be loaded

[balmy condor]

Two divers die in the Deer Island Outfall Tunnel during a project to remove safety plugs inside risers leading from the tunnel to the bottom of Massachusetts Bay

fantastic

my birthday is just so fun

[spice spire]

It is

Because you were born

[balmy condor]

the most fun thing about my birthday is that I share it with robin williams

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

and these apparently were the top songs that week across the last decade

and they're all

the most basic ass songs

I could think of

[blazing jewel]

Carly Rae Jepsen can spit in my mouth

[balmy condor]

what

[blazing jewel]

???

[balmy condor]

she looks like if an AI tried to draw taylor swift

[gaunt moat]

I share birthday with Tom Cruze. My name is also Tom, and we're the same height.

[balmy condor]

I didn't know you were 125cm

[grim jay]

2 "famous" people died on mine and one sweet day by mariah carey was on #1

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that

[gaunt moat]

Yap

I couldn't share birthday with shaq

[balmy condor]

172 isn't that short though honestly

like it's a bit short

[subtle tundra]

Middest mid

[balmy condor]

but it's barely under average

[blazing jewel]

Where is the problem here

[balmy condor]

I didn't stutter

[gaunt moat]

huh what, it used to say he's 167.

[blazing jewel]

AI Taylor Swift is better than no Taylor Swift

[subtle tundra]

Short king

[balmy condor]

anything is better than taylor swift

the absence of taylor swift is better than the presence of taylor swift

[blazing jewel]

She’s hot though

And her friend karlie kloss

[grim jay]

Victoria justice still best girl

Childhood crush

[blazing jewel]

Knock off nina dobrev smh

Jk I think if they were the same age you couldn’t tell them apart

[grim jay]

I only saw Nina dobrev later, but ye she hot

Still Victoria has something different about her, dunno

[balmy condor]

she's built like a 2x4 with googly eyes please snap out of it

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi back me up

Please

[deft flicker]

I tried googling my birth date but nothing cool happened there. Disappointed, but oh well

[clever sapphire]

how the hell can people remember names, i cant even remember half of my colleagues names and there are only 10

[balmy condor]

I don't think they recorded historical events from that long ago buddy

[grim jay]

I had to Google 2x4

[balmy condor]

papyrus scrolls weren't invented yet

[grim jay]

Did you mean BAUHOLZ?

[blazing jewel]

[deft flicker]

Old and roasted

[balmy condor]

yes

flach, lang, bauholz

[deft flicker]

Wait a sec, aren’t you older than me, Whispyr??

[balmy condor]

idk

I'm 23

does that make me older

[deft flicker]

So am I

[balmy condor]

oh

fuck idk then

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock you're old as hell this is now directed at you

[grim jay]

Flach wie ein Brett

[deft flicker]

Will turn 24 in like 3 months

[blazing jewel]

Wtf I’m older than purple name guy

[grim jay]

How old is seli tho ? Already close to retirement, like 30-ish ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[royal lantern]

everytime people act as if guy is somone you should actually listen and respect

i remember that he was not even 18during legion

[deft flicker]

Haven’t celebrated bday in quite a while though

[royal lantern]

good

its always so akward

[grim jay]

Same

[earnest remnant]

fuck no lol

i dont find her attractive

[grim jay]

Just party all day every day

[deft flicker]

Yeah. I see it more like a parents’ thing to do

[blazing jewel]

I meant whispyr

[blazing jewel]

Papi no

[royal lantern]

whisp is a small cute bean(i can say that because im incredible 3years older but look like 17 compared to whisp)

[deft flicker]

The whole “yeah dude you were born you’re so cool for doing tgat” like wtf did I even do. Abd then I realize it’s nothing to do with me

[spice spire]

Ur all too young

[blazing jewel]

I’m 24 I’m basically half dead

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[earnest remnant]

calm down papi

boomer

[grim jay]

Guess I'll call you both small cute beans

[deft flicker]

licks Nah, still ripe

[blazing jewel]

This is why you’re a 3 apm sin main

[spice spire]

U shut ur beautiful mouth

True and real

[earnest remnant]

do i need to find

my uwu msg

[clever sapphire]

remember age is just a number, just like levels, and higher levels are better, so look at your age like your level

[spice spire]

Sin has 0 apm

[earnest remnant]

and tag you in it everyday

[spice spire]

Send it to seli

He loves that

[blazing jewel]

I sent whispyr his wowhead guide self introduction put through an uwu translator at 3am

[royal lantern]

no, im a big bean

[deft flicker]

I unlocked all of the shit I needed, no need to track that one anymore

Like 21+ is just paragon

[spice spire]

True

[grim jay]

Wait there are uwu translators? Guess I know what I'll do after work

[blazing jewel]

'im whispyw, modewatow awnd theowycwaftew in the wogue discowd. I am in a mythic waiding guiwd own awea-52, awnd often pway mythic+ with fwiends. I am honowed tuwu be abwe tuwu spend most of my time hewping out aww types of wogues, fwom newwy aspiwing pwayews, top pwayews in the wowwd, awnd evewything in between.

[clever sapphire]

21+ the gold drop increases but everything starts costing more and more money, feck

[spice spire]

Anyway, up in two hours. Gonna take a quickie nap

[delicate hemlock]

"tuwu"

[deft flicker]

The first one didn’t happen to me yet

[grim jay]

How much do you reckon I need to pay someone on wowhead to post the uwu version of whispyrs entire guide ?

[clear granite]

That's a full sleep..

[spice spire]

True

[royal lantern]

wogues

[balmy condor]

wage slaves

smh

[clever sapphire]

mine went from green drops to heroic BoEs so its kinda okayish

[blazing jewel]

That was the original plan but the translator had a character cap

[deft flicker]

Tettles will do it for free

[balmy condor]

tettles will leave you on read

[grim jay]

I dont want to delay the next tierlist

[balmy condor]

I could tell you who to talk to about that

But then like

They would do it

So I’m not gonna do that

[grim jay]

Cant you split it ?

[grim jay]

Could just message them on their business addi I guess

[deft flicker]

Split roast

[grim jay]

Since its a transaction

[grim jay]

Breast

[safe wigeon]

Guys is it work for posion bomb?

[uncut echo]

No

[pseudo hamlet]

Anima-charged points are also increasing chance of Poison Bomb as it was 7CP?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[primal jolt]

where can i get a good raid build

[blazing jewel]

Goodraidbuilds.cheat

[primal jolt]

where can i get a good raiding talents build i can borrow

[blazing jewel]

Goodraidbuildsthatyoucanborrow.cheat

[primal jolt]

THANKS BRO

[clever sapphire]

Wowhead/faq/warcraftlogs top ST build

[blazing jewel]

Or literally anywhere in this discord

[clever sapphire]

Well not anywhere, your website didnt work

So that was a lie

[pseudo hamlet]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIFJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASDJOQJJkkkkWKJikQCRiFE

[pseudo hamlet]

#assassination-faq <- it's Sepsis(no Exsang) Raiding build from there

[primal jolt]

i actually made the same thing myself

nice

didnt even know i was running it

kekw

ty though much love <3

[pseudo hamlet]

gl! 😄

[primal jolt]

except actually sepsis

i was using bone spike

[lavish hazel]

So do we pref press envenom instead of ct in m+ ?

Under like 4 sec of ct fades

[royal lantern]

it doesnt matter lol

when ct is running, you can use ct or envenom, doesnt make a real difference

[supple snow]

I saw a red dot on the pins but nothing is new in there

am I missing something?

[delicate hemlock]

no, a message got removed and then re-pinned

[supple snow]

thanks

[eager junco]

Me'm whispyr, moderator and theorycraftah in da rogue discord. Me am in a mythic raiden guild on area-52, and often playen mythic+ wit palos. Me am honored to besa able to spend most of timen helpen out all types of rogues, from newly aspiren players, top players in da world, and everytten in between.

the gungan version is not bad either.

[deft flicker]

Keep envenom debuff active, keep ct active, everything else is vibe choice

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

Thanks I hate it

[gaunt moat]

Why is sin the top dps on boss damage on Zskarn?

[thorn fjord]

I thought his English was bad until I saw the besa

[gusty mirage]

Because no one else can do damage on that boss

[thorn fjord]

Cause we Bussin bro

[clever sapphire]

nerfs incoming, its not warlock

[gusty mirage]

Melee uptime is trash and ranged are moving constantly

[eager junco]

mesa english speaken not bad

[gaunt moat]

Wouldn't shadow priest be also high if it's dots that help?

(i know nothing about how SP works)

[gusty mirage]

Most of their damage is procs I think (I also don’t know shit about SP)

[gaunt moat]

also outlaw is doing better than sin huh
how come outlaw is pumpin' so hard on every boss all of a sudden

[clever sapphire]

probably cleave dmg?

[gaunt moat]

talking about boss damage

[clever sapphire]

they probably got their cursed BiS items finally

so now they doin dmg

[blazing jewel]

Or because nobody is reclearing yet so logs are still wild

[gaunt moat]

filtered to only 1 week.
there are 18 outlaw logs and 19 sin logs.

[spice spire]

Outlaw also has a disturbingly low population of mythic yeah?

Oh

[blazing jewel]

Just like sin

[gaunt moat]

(173 sub logs)

[clever sapphire]

fotm sin players jumping on the 4% buff wagon

so they draggin it down

surely

[gaunt moat]

[clever sapphire]

we all know there are only 5 sin players in mythic raiding

the other 14 are outlaws

[blazing jewel]

Also what boss were you looking at

[gaunt moat]

Zskarn

[blazing jewel]

Sin seems to be very kill time dependent

Idk what the timing on that fight looks post nerf

[gaunt moat]

yeah it's an obsolete cursed timing for sin

[blazing jewel]

Well buff idk what you call that

[gaunt moat]

like 5:40-5:50 killtime

[clever sapphire]

oof, worst time

[blazing jewel]

Eww

[thorn fjord]

Thems edging kill times

[clever sapphire]

tell a few dps to just die so it lasts another 40-50 sec

[blazing jewel]

Maybe when blaster guilds get to it there could be some decent times

Maybe like a 5 min kill time

Not as cursed

[clever sapphire]

5 min bis assa rogue timing

[gusty mirage]

There’s like 20 parses on those bosses and if your guild’s letting you play outlaw you’re sick af at it

So kinda makes sense

Esp when you consider the variance for the spec

[blazing jewel]

Guns counter lizards sin players stinky

[gusty mirage]

No they don’t

Sark absolute buttfucks all 3 equally

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

The lubing up your bhole guide?

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

You’ll see

[blazing jewel]

Yea can you demonstrate

[gusty mirage]

Enjoy cheat death proccing through health pot health stone and vial

[blazing jewel]

Is anyone streaming your sark I want to watch with popcorn

[gusty mirage]

It’s a fucking blast

[gusty mirage]

I was yesterday

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

They need to nerf the damage in p1

[gaunt moat]

Same could be said about sin.
But your other point is true
the averge dps of both sin and outlaw on that fight is very similar at around 110k
the top outlaw was 133k, and top sin 123k

[gusty mirage]

It’s actually ridiculous

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[gusty mirage]

Yeah outlaw can high roll better dps esp if they get a ton of crits on trinkets and win the rppm lotto with the stones

[clever sapphire]

(im never getting even close to mythic sark)

[gusty mirage]

Which BTE and ghostly affect trinkets

Because reasons

[clever sapphire]

also you said 5:50 kill time, if it went on longer assa would be above 133 for sure

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel I’m actually considering elusiveness on sark

[clever sapphire]

execute + CDs coming up

[blazing jewel]

Nah don’t

[gusty mirage]

Because p1 is a bunch of little hits

[blazing jewel]

Your healers will figure it out

[gaunt moat]

yeah, this is the top 10 sin kill times on szkarn:

[gusty mirage]

Figure elusive stonks for it

[gusty mirage]

I watched a few zskarn prog pulls after nerf

And uh

That fight is somehow worse than it was before

Which is impressive because it was horrible before

[gaunt moat]

Thanks, you fill me with inspiration for tomorrow when prog starts on him

[blazing jewel]

You’ll want cheat for stuff like knockbacks if you aren’t topped

[gusty mirage]

I won’t be

Dw

Lmao

[blazing jewel]

Your healers will get it and you won’t be super dead through p1

[earnest remnant]

worst fight ive ever played

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been able to get away with a healthstone available

So that’s neat

Also the orange swirls being under darkness is so cool

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/холодильник-speech-bubble-gif-25663959

[blazing jewel]

Just wait for p3 swirlies

[drifting cloud]

if u want p1 scuffed tip, turn spell density off

alot easier to see swirlies

[gusty mirage]

I have it turned to essentials

[drifting cloud]

wait not spell, particle

[thorn fjord]

I want oxi to fill me with some “inspiration”

[gusty mirage]

But ngl sometimes you can’t see shit

And then sometimes the swirls interact weird with the ground textures

[gaunt moat]

They did pushed up a patch that said added more visuals to the traps (on reset).
wonder how much it's gonna help

[gusty mirage]

They need to make darkness not cover mechanics

It’s actually stupid as fuck that it does

[clever sapphire]

when warriors throw their kyrian spear

DH places darkness

monk does NF

[gusty mirage]

And you can’t see shit

Yep

Wonderful design

[gaunt moat]

fits with theme

[clever sapphire]

and raidlead goes "can you not dodge the swirlies?"

lovin it

[gusty mirage]

The biggest bane to my existence was mythic KT with double warrior

2x spears couldn’t see shit

[clever sapphire]

i liked mythic skolex, was raidleading as a rogue

[gaunt moat]

I hate pugging with fury warrior
they're ALWAYS Tauren, they keep spinning, Can't see anything.

[clever sapphire]

and we had 2 warriors too, was fun

i just used cloak whenever i saw the spears

and prayed to the gods that they die before their next spear

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Have you seen defile?

It’s the dumbest thing

[gusty mirage]

The gangle fuck of pets with an uhdk and double demo lock

Idk if I’m clipping a player or 18 pets

[thorn fjord]

By the time it expands all the way the gray shit is everywhere

And it covers mechanics

[clever sapphire]

i had the funnest experience in a Neltharus a few days ago. My dudu friend was tanking and we had a BM hunter with us. Guess what his pets were bears and they looked more like a tank than the dudu, guess which dumb rogue almost died because he followed the hunters pets

good thing CD exists

[gaunt moat]

Dude, I really wish they'd add an option to turn off friendly pets in raid.
it screwes with you so hard on soak mechanics
"oh there's already someone taking this soak"
"AH SHIT IT'S A FELGAURD"

[clever sapphire]

or make it like in diablo, you can still see the pets but just barely

[gaunt moat]

or give friendly players an outline

[clever sapphire]

ye doesnt matter, just make it obvious which one is the pet and which one is the ugly transmogged orc/troll

[gaunt moat]

OR EVEN BETTER

remove all pet classes

[vestal wren]

tbh nice game, you should try to speedrun it once

[clever sapphire]

i looked at so many speedruns of it, it looks fun, but i never played a mario game

just like pokemon, never played that either

[clever sapphire]

that means removing warlocks completly, because they have pets and they usually have a pet priest too

[gusty mirage]

Super Mario 64 is one of the best platformers ever made

[clever sapphire]

my childhood platformer was pandemonium

[agile osprey]

Crash Bandicoot would like a word

[clever sapphire]

truuuuue

that too

[gaunt moat]

@vestal wren is there a way to change the color of an ability that appears on the timeline in WCL?
(like, make sepsis red instead of green, cause it also colored DM green)

[clever sapphire]

crash bandicoot, there was also some kind of racing version of that game too

[agile osprey]

CTR

my childhood

[clever sapphire]

and then there was that weird guy whose hands were floating and had a purple shirt (ye i forgot the name)

that was hella fun too

[agile osprey]

Rayman?

[clever sapphire]

yap that one

ye rayman

xD

im not good with names

those 3

[vestal wren]

don't think so but you can use wow analyzer or https://www.lorrgs.io/

[agile osprey]

I'm on a full nostalgia trip now thanks

[clever sapphire]

and castlevanio SOTN for a more "fighting" style game

still playing it on an emulator on my phone to this day

[clever sapphire]

i got you, no worries

[gusty mirage]

Also insane platformer

[clever sapphire]

and bah some tekken game where i tilted the hell out of my bigger brother, because i always won with just spamming buttons (played a robot dude)

[agile osprey]

ps1 Crash and Spyro games was all I knew for the first 10 years of my life

[clever sapphire]

i tried spyro remastered, somehow it just wasnt the same

aight i know what im gonna do for the next few days, time to replay castlevania again

but first gonna doom about shit vault tomorrow

perfect week

[tacit otter]

spyro 3 skateboard level was the best

[gusty mirage]

I’m glad I didn’t feel alone in this tbh

I loved Spyro as a kid

But it just felt off

[cerulean nest]

if a second shiv comes up during DM/Sepsis do you always send the second one

[deft flicker]

IIRC one shiv for sepsis, both for deathmark

[cerulean nest]

kk

btw how much healing do the toxic thorn boots end up doing?

seems like it would be a decent amount

[gaunt moat]

looking at the top sin zskarn log.
Casual 36% sophic devotion uptime, with only one enchant

[winter gale]

Wait, can anyone superquick run me through shiv for sepsis?

I want to use shiv during sepsis, like in the opener?

[gaunt moat]

1. My WA would help you.
2. You want shiv to be up at the end of the sepsis debuff. which translates into: Sepsis > Garrote (or wait 1 GCD) > shiv

[winter gale]

Yeah, didn’t pay many attention to that

[tacit otter]

thats wrong, its sepsis gar shiv to the last tick of sepsis get shiv buff

[winter gale]

Im using ur wa

[gaunt moat]

if you're using the latest version, it has a shiv reminder

[earnest remnant]

well multiple sophic enchants doesent up the uptime of it

[gaunt moat]

wouldn't multiple have a chance to proc seperartly?

[winter gale]

Animation one

[cerulean nest]

what WA?

[earnest remnant]

nope

[winter gale]

By turning green?

[earnest remnant]

all it does is double the value of the proc

[gaunt moat]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[winter gale]

It helps me alot

Sometimes I eat 2nd usage with ambush or something but it surely narrowed that to bare minimum

[gaunt moat]

yes. but in latest version, i made it so it will only turn green after using garrote first.

[winter gale]

Oh

Good

[gaunt moat]

So every time it does proc the value is doubled?

[slim pebble]

Did Whispyr kill the thing yesterday?

[earnest remnant]

yes

so instead of 1.1k mainstat you would get 2.2k

[gaunt moat]

I would never guess that's how it works
not very intuitive

[royal lantern]

wow and intuitive dont go hand in hand

[cerulean nest]

but for real how much healing do toxic boots do

I wanna rub it in our healers faces

[earnest remnant]

just think about this

everytime it heals

you missed a chance for it to do dmg

[cerulean nest]

well now I'm sad

[gusty mirage]

I’m about to swap so I can maybe not die

Fuck the damage bro I’m fighting for my life

[earnest remnant]

p1 is rough

[hollow cedar]

Rogue feels so shit on sark

[gusty mirage]

idk how like wr 1500 guilds will kill this ngl

[earnest remnant]

they wont

until they turn the boss into a hc boss

[royal lantern]

just stay alive bro, its so easy

[gusty mirage]

But I also dunno how they nerf it without making it a heroic boss

Because the hard part is just living tbh

The mechanics aren’t exactly complicated

I feel for healers this tier man

It’s been rough

[royal lantern]

p1 is healer hell

p3 is mechanic and dps

p2 is ???????

[gusty mirage]

P2 is positioning for the dispels and making sure adds die

[woeful meteor]

they'll just hit every ability in p1 with -25% dmg

So Colour can 2 Heal it last week

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

Idk if that’s even enough

[woeful meteor]

Just aug eveoker the healers

[gusty mirage]

The clear dot is like 70k a tick

[woeful meteor]

every spell turns into loh

[gusty mirage]

Probably a nerf to the damage and the duration of the dots

Would be enough

[woeful meteor]

I'm not on sark yet so I cant speak for which ability deletes you the most

[earnest remnant]

everything man

it just all hurts

[gusty mirage]

Yes

You’ll go from chilling at 100% health

To just dying

In like 2 globals

Lmao

[vestal wren]

just don't get hit by stuff ^^

[earnest remnant]

unfortunately

you need to get hit

[woeful meteor]

-50% nerf on all

[gusty mirage]

Have you tried cloaking the end of p1

Probably doesn’t work eh?

[earnest remnant]

i cloak our last debuff clears

but it does work

on the surge thingy

[drifting cloud]

wdym doesnt work

[gusty mirage]

Like the dazzle or whatever

For not clearing

[drifting cloud]

I cloak end of p1

oh, yeah not trying that

funnily you can heal it, but it lasts too long

so you go downside

[gusty mirage]

Im tempted to try it lmao

But I cloak first breath clear

Or I just proc cheat

[drifting cloud]

I wouldnt

[gusty mirage]

And then die to the disintegrate clear

Like I have to

There’s no other option for me

[drifting cloud]

you def dont

we all hpot there

[gusty mirage]

No you don’t understand I will die

I’ve shown you my healing received

I will 1000% die

[drifting cloud]

I mean stop cloaking and blame healers

you shouldnt have to cloak that

half the raid cds get used there

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

problem with p1 is proccing cheat is so fucking bad

u dont get it back whole fight

[gusty mirage]

I never get away without proccing cheat

Ever

[drifting cloud]

well not to worry youre not killing boss anytime soon if thats happening!

[gusty mirage]

Im left with health pot on cd, no cheat, and no healthstone for like 90% of our pulls

[gaunt moat]

If a rogue has trouble surviving.. how the hell do other classes survive?

[drifting cloud]

other classes have better stuff

than rogue

[earnest remnant]

rogue doesent like dot dmg

thats how

[gusty mirage]

Problem is that it’s not a big hit, it’s a bunch of little damage

Which our kit does nothing against outside of cloak

[earnest remnant]

VIAL DUDE

BIG

[vestal wren]

rogue can deal easy with burst damage

[earnest remnant]

4sure saves you

[vestal wren]

with feint/cloak/etc

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

but vial and leech isn't something to take home

[gusty mirage]

On cd and I’m still getting pillaged

[vestal wren]

also why rogue can't solo stuff easy

[gusty mirage]

Im about to start calling sark daddy

[vestal wren]

you have low self sustain

[drifting cloud]

but yeah I dunno oxi if you cloak breath what procs your cheat then

disintegrate at the end?

[gusty mirage]

The disintegrate

I’ve procced it on a solo disintegrate as well

I just don’t get healed

[drifting cloud]

all of our random deaths in p1 its just the ember hitting people 1s after that

[gusty mirage]

Which tbf to our healers

Everyone’s getting ass blasted

I can’t expect to be prio’d

But we could really use a Druid

For the throughput tbh

I think hpal is mad overrated for sark

[drifting cloud]

think I probably used more hpots in p1 of sark

than whole tier together

[gusty mirage]

I buy 600 health pots before every tier

I usually end the tier with like 200

[drifting cloud]

just training muscle memory

[gusty mirage]

I had to buy more after 1 week of sark prog

Lmao

[earnest remnant]

think ive used pot on like 70% of our p1 pulls

[drifting cloud]

but yeah I dunno same as you oxi I started to cloak breaths

but moved away from it, theres still that pull here and there where you insta proc

but from memory its mostly when I get disintegrate clear on me very early

[gusty mirage]

Ideally I cloak the end of the disintegrate into the glimmer

That’s my goal

Just need healers to get more comfy I think

Figure out where they can greed

It’d also help if melee stopped eating embers (myself included)

We had every single drifting ember drop on our last disintegrate

That was really cool

[drifting cloud]

yeah that happens basically every pull

I just insta move out after disintegrate hits

then just cloak while hes casting glimmer

[gusty mirage]

Cool fight though, wish we weren’t useless on it

[drifting cloud]

but ive had pulls where I got pingponged by 3 embers aswell

[earnest remnant]

same

[gusty mirage]

They also need to do something about textures clipping

It’s getting old pretty fast

Sometimes you only see like 10% of a swirl

[drifting cloud]

try turning off particle density, the breath becomes like 4 pixels

but embers are alot easier to see

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m gonna try that

Because “essentials” is apparently everything still

For no reason

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce
btw, you discussed if it's better to send vanish on 2nd DM or prologn the empowered garrote.
So the way I see it, yes, I lose around 6-7 seconds of empowered garrote after 2nd DM.
But I gain that on the 3rd DM, when I'm in execute range during DM.

[deft cave]

with the non-exang build do we still not use vanish on 1st dm right?

[primal jolt]

can seem to find any weakaura recommendations in the server

[drifting cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[primal jolt]

tysm

[cinder bone]

eyyyyyyyy

[marble hemlock]

I hope you get a kernel of popcorn stuck in your teeth and then try all day to get it out with your tongue.

[agile osprey]