assassination

[cunning nest]

Did you simmed with or without annulet?

[uncut dragon]

Got bombs and beacon. 2 on use but just macrod bomb to e venom so I’m always using it.

Did they change bis embellished?

[sterile perch]

do we usually go vers phial or rage phial?

[still leaf]

i believe vers single target, rage aoe

probably not much difference though

[agile osprey]

Uhh I think it came out like a week ago or something that the haste loss wasn’t accounted for? And the other boots are ahead. I think it’s in the pins

Nope I lied not pinned anymore, someone correct me if I’m wrong though

[uncut dragon]

Idk hard to keep track of little changes

[agile osprey]

It’s been a heck of a week

[agile osprey]

Dammit don’t tell me I’ve been screwing over my trinket sims by only checking against annulet….

[keen spruce]

bruther

i simmed

for like 7 hours yesterday

i yeeted annulet like week 2

but yes i did sim with it

~1000dps loss in all combinations

[lethal mortar]

hey is it true we exist just to suffer

[lean sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[next arch]

Wafting devotion simming best > sophic in aoe and single target for me rn is wild.

[austere fulcrum]

That doesn’t sound right 🙃

[royal lantern]

existance is suffering

yet, i remain silly

[balmy condor]

Happens

[next arch]

I'm scared.

[old obsidian]

I didn't think the assa hit hard

first boss in heroic

well... we only have 4600 of Pharses, in total 4.6k of assas

well thx for Whispyr for all the info

lov ❤️

[cursive orchid]

What is the kill time?

[old obsidian]

Fastest Kill: 2:56

[exotic ore]

Had to be quicker

Was gonna say haha

[old obsidian]

and with sepsis

[cursive orchid]

Noice

[gaunt moat]

We killed it at 2:07
it's so cursed, 3 seconds before DM comes back

[placid ermine]

where do i find assa openers with stepsis? i checked pins and assa faq and its possible im blind

[earnest remnant]

#assassination-faq message

[limber lion]

Even the raccoon knows

[earnest remnant]

ive been hitting dummies today

getting in the groove for the 1% haste assa gameplay

[limber lion]

Honestly based

I'm drowning in haste personally, sitting at a good 6%

[vestal wren]

did no exsang convince you to play assassinaiton?

[earnest remnant]

no

but playing sub on Sark

is not fun

[royal lantern]

if 6% is drowning, what is my 8% with slimy boots?

[vestal wren]

fair

[royal lantern]

flooded inside a ocean?

[earnest remnant]

until im allowed to spec BP and go ham

im not sure im playing sub on it again

[vestal wren]

but you can play

[earnest remnant]

lets go to a imaginary place

where that fixes sub for that fight xD

[royal lantern]

lets go to a imaginary place where Rotten brings any positive change at all

[plain moon]

What are subs problems on that fight?

[earnest remnant]

haste

xD

[vestal wren]

^ the haste buff does basically nothing for the spec

[earnest remnant]

and on Mythic Sark you kinda play around it

so you just get smoked by all other classes

atleast assa can use the haste a bit

[royal lantern]

+the fact that the adds are not really a gigantic focus

so that assa cant do real aoe is not a big problem there

[earnest remnant]

so until im given the greenlight im probably just gonna channel my inner cev and play assa on the fight

maybe not first reclear

[limber lion]

Hell yeah

[earnest remnant]

just due to people being used to the prog dmg to adds

[limber lion]

About to blast the meters

Make sure to get 10 externals to maximize boss damage as well

[earnest remnant]

dont think our uhdk is gonna allow me to take his shiny toys away

[limber lion]

Damn. Good thing everyone gets to share them when Aug Evoker gets added

[royal lantern]

share?

mate

[earnest remnant]

its so funny seeing boss dmg

after first haste amp

in p2

[royal lantern]

egirlvoker buffs are proximity based

[earnest remnant]

just unholy 8mil ahead of everybody else on boss dmg

[royal lantern]

warlocks now have a new excuse beyond Pi why they are busted

[still leaf]

just ask the priest nicely for pi

[oak sky]

How does unholy play sark

[royal lantern]

but puzzle box nerf

[vestal wren]

well balanced ^^

[oak sky]

Do they like take a bomb in p2 for their cds or smth

[earnest remnant]

yes

they get the first 50% haste from the intermission

then they get the first bomb set

and just go nuclear

with cds

[oak sky]

What do they do with the intermission haste

Just send their minis ig

[earnest remnant]

get their cds back faster xD

[earnest remnant]

vs me xD

[oak sky]

Lol

Actual healer dps between

[earnest remnant]

granted

im not really hitting the boss xD in p2

so im cheating a bit

making it look worse than it is

[limber lion]

And apparently having an Outlaw Rogue in the raid is technically worse for the Aug Evoker than not having one

[vestal wren]

the fun thing is, this is about the "burst" you see on the subtlety chart

[royal lantern]

that entire spec is a gigantic mistake

simple as that

[gaunt moat]

no it sjust looks low because the peaks are 600k.
the in-between is still 100-200k

[royal lantern]

srsly, who came up with the idea and thought it will not be a gigantic disaster

[limber lion]

The bottom graph at a glance looks like it does more damage until you realize the number at the side says 600k vs 200k

[earnest remnant]

YEP

thats overall dmg

🙂

[limber lion]

Blizz probably thought of it a long time ago, like pre-Shadowlands. Maybe that's why they pushed so many externals into Shadowlands. Kind of a testing ground for how externals would play.

[earnest remnant]

p1+p2

[royal lantern]

reminder that augemtation is supposed to make 4 other dps in raids stronger to the point where its valuable to use it instead of a normal dps

but then there is m+ where you only have 2 dps, how do you want to balance the numbers there? if it ALSO has enough "damage" in m+ to work with only 2 dps its gona be so giga busted in raids its not even funny anymore

[limber lion]

Seems balanced :)

[royal lantern]

🙂

[earnest remnant]

haste lovers vs haste hater

[oak sky]

Yeah their idea stage is definitely at least an expansion ahead

[vestal wren]

can add talents for that

[limber lion]

The "externals make for a good social experience for the players" basically just meant "uhm we can't delete them now, we have a spec with 30 externals coming in a year uhm sorry?"

[royal lantern]

i like how thats just a big "nah, fuck you" to the community tbh

like, blizz is great in DF overall to actually do stuff that people want, but everyone hates externals, its a painpoint for everyone and instead of tuning it back they now make a external spec and tell us to just wait, its gonna be great

[still leaf]

so borrowed power the spec?

[oak sky]

Its just gonna amp the tank and the healer too

[royal lantern]

big tank and healer aoe dps

🙂

[vestal wren]

btw. just to mention that too

[oak sky]

I think auggie is gonna play really cool and interesting genuinely

[royal lantern]

the priest can holy nova 4%harder

[oak sky]

But jesus it might be so annoying

[vestal wren]

subtlety is also a damage loss for avokers

[limber lion]

Anyways, I think Augmentation is probably really cool for the person playing it

[vestal wren]

ist not outlaw exclusive

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

I think it's gonna be a pain for everyone else involved

[royal lantern]

yeha like

that spec is gonna be the absolute peak of "giga busted and you need them always" and "so bad that you never want it at all", there is no room in-bettwen

its stupid

why are they doing it

[limber lion]

Already having to map out defensive/offensive cds, as well as boss mechanics/timings and then on top of that having to map out positioning according to the Augevokers and buff timings

Gonna be a lot to go through

[royal lantern]

blizz is not good at balancing, and now they add something that most games cant manage to balance

[limber lion]

Probs will just turn into Augevoker doing whatever they want and just pressing stuff on cooldown and whoever gets the buffs, get them

[royal lantern]

aka the warlocks, cus they gaslight the world into beliving "warlock is actually balanced around having egirlvoker buffs"

[limber lion]

But yeah, I used to play a class called "Assist" in FLYFF 20 years ago and it was pretty fun, but it's just a completely different game

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

Not sure how it's gonna work in WoW

[vestal wren]

judging for how balancing was in the last 2 xpacs

avoker will be balanced to output the same as other dps

[oak sky]

I mean tanks do pretty solid aoe and at least some of the healers do

[vestal wren]

w/e of what they do else

[royal lantern]

thats possible yeha

the problem is everything else

[limber lion]

Avoker sounds better then Augevoker or Augoker

[oak sky]

Giving shadow twin suns was a mistake

I like auggievoker

[earnest remnant]

FAKIN Augoker dude xD

[limber lion]

Alright devoker, prevoker and avoker it is

[earnest remnant]

sounds like the danish word for cucumber

[limber lion]

perfect

[royal lantern]

like, how will you balance classes when there is a spec that can give them free mainstat+multistrike+cdr?

[limber lion]

they look like little flying cucumbers anyways

[vestal wren]

is augvoker or augoker what people atm use?

[royal lantern]

just dont and 2-3 are always #1 now when they have a pocket e-girl?

[oak sky]

The cdr is wild to me

[royal lantern]

or you do and they depeend on the spec?

[limber lion]

I think they just say Aug

[oak sky]

Like vers and mainstat

[limber lion]

No other class in the game has that title

[oak sky]

Seems like they can attribute that in logs easily

[limber lion]

Same with Dev and Pres

[vestal wren]

ah fair, i will continue to say avoker, because i thought it sounded good

[limber lion]

Yeh

[oak sky]

But cdr is almost impossible to quantify consistently

[royal lantern]

inc: we end with the same situation that ff14 has: every single team has a Dancer because its simply the best option for physical ranged

good desing btw

[limber lion]

I've heard that it's likely gonna be 3 perma evokers in the raid

So they have 100% uptime on all the buffs

permanent saturation

[royal lantern]

cool, we need less free raidslots

[limber lion]

So similar to Restless Crew Outlaw

Before it was deleted

[royal lantern]

not like that raidteams allread yhave 70% of the raidteam allready pre-set cus blizz is forcing so many buff/externals into the game

everyone loves that

there was never any backlash at all

🙂

[limber lion]

But then again it makes balancing a bit easier right

If you're forced to take one of each class, it kinda doesn't matter what numbers they do unless it's ultra abysmal

Also it's easy to shout at balancing and stuff like that, that shit is probably giga hard to get right honestly

How do you choose what aspect of a spec/class to balance and how much and when?

Do you just keep slapping aura buffs on a class until the numbers look good or do you focus on the weaker abilities and buffing them up or a straight up rework where you remove outliers or what's the dealio

I wouldn't be able to do that probably

I could do that for Assassination because it's my OTP class

But if I was in charge of 2 entire classes and all of their specs, hell no

[royal lantern]

tbh, its kinda their job, they get paid for it

[limber lion]

But not really, that's part of their job right

[royal lantern]

like, sounds stupid i know, but thats what the balance team is supposed to do

[limber lion]

They still have a million other things to do as well

It's not like they sit on a computer looking at talent trees and numbers 24/7 trying to figure out which one to buff and which one to nerf

But yeh

Personally glad I don't have to do that and face the wrath of the community when something goes wrong

[plain moon]

I think it scales to buff 40% less in raid groups to make up for the tank/healer in m+

[royal lantern]

and there it starts allready

[vestal wren]

if i don't remember it wrong

[royal lantern]

base desing is flawed enough that there allready needs to be a aura % change, cool i gues

[vestal wren]

i think blizz wanted to attribute damage gains from externals to the player who provides it

[limber lion]

Yeah similar to blessings on paladin

But still stuff like stat amps and cdr are kinda impossible to calculate

[royal lantern]

^

like

[vestal wren]

not sure how they want to do it, but would give wcl a lot more relevance if they manag to do so

[royal lantern]

haste on a unholy dk also results in the unholy dk getting army back faster

how do you calculate how much dmg you gave the unholy dk cus you gave him haste for 15sec?

[limber lion]

Or cdr to someone who doesn't even use cds on cooldown

30s cdr but holds the cd for 30s to sync with everything else

[hollow dirge]

Well most would not.
But it’s not done by a single dude, it’s done by a big ass studio with enough resources to know the ins and outs of each spec to a fine detail and have the manpower to deal with it.
Now I’m not saying it’s easy. Or that they must do it to a 1% accuracy. But can they do atleast 30-40% better, sure they can.
If you’re paying triple A, but get a B or C performance anywhere, it’s already the studio’s fault, and saying they have millions of other things to focus on, is just giving an excuse to do a shitty job.
And facing the community when it goes wrong?
Idk, but any job that involves such a close relation to the customer has to face them every now and then.

[vestal wren]

i feel like they would need to re-work some externals

if they want to do it

[limber lion]

That's absolutely true, but the first few lines are not necessarily right. We know a single dude made 5 entire talent trees and the balancing around them. It's probably been a bit more broad after that, but at least the initial designs were done by a single individual.

[royal lantern]

tbf, saying "just suck it up and face the community" is weird, cus gaming communitys can be the biggest deranged idiots in the world that will send deaththreats cus they THINK something is weaker then it should be

[hollow dirge]

This is the main question, is there a will to do it? Or are they just shuffling classes on top so everyone gets their hard on every third patch and feel the urge to play their class because they’ve seen themselfs topping metter for one whole tier

[hollow dirge]

For sure, design may come from a single dude, but balance does not have to

[limber lion]

But that's probably a company thing and them not hiring enough people. I remember hundreds of people (I think mainly QA iirc) getting laid off before DF launched

[plain moon]

Imo blizz balancing as much as we bitch is pretty good compared to other studios. Their big flaw is doubling down on shit that the community says will be a nightmare the second you announce it (covenants, corruptions, legion legos, and soon to be augvokers)

[vestal wren]

most of the DF layoffs ended up being community stuff, not devs

[still leaf]

legion legos and unstable arcanocrystal haunt my dreams

[royal lantern]

[vestal wren]

but they lost some devs to other companies, and i am not sure how much they stocked up on new people

[royal lantern]

blizz balancing is litearlly 2 problems:

they are quiet slow sometimes with a weird focus

[hollow dirge]

Well, there are deranged people in each community, it’s not exactly an arguement against facing the community when you’ve done them wrong

[royal lantern]

and that they love to double down on stuff everyone says is bad

[hollow dirge]

Not saying they should send us their home adress for us to send them dildos

[vestal wren]

also keep in mind that the engine is quite old, so having people who are capable to work on the game directly in a productive way is something that takes time

[royal lantern]

........thats supposed to be a BAD thing????

hello?

FREE DILDOS???????

[limber lion]

Blizz is also a company that's thinking 4 years in advance. So they might have their sights on the next expansion already which results in the current one not getting as much notice.

[hollow dirge]

True

[royal lantern]

shit is expensive you know?

[limber lion]

But again who knows

[vestal wren]

current xpac seems to be getting fairly high attention

with the lower release cycles

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, definitely a lot better than previous expansions for sure

[vestal wren]

it is the first time they lowered the cycles instead of making them bigger (like in legion -> bfa or bfa -> SL)

[plain moon]

I think the riot approach to balancing is really good tho. Constant small aura buffs/nerfs to try to keep everything as close as you can. Then look at big reworks or mini reworks for things that are are either just conceptually unfun or things that are impossible to balance closely because it has to be either giga op or giga dead

[limber lion]

I personally don't care about anything else but Kingsbane being buffed. If Kingsbane gets buffed, I'm a happy camper. Do whatever you want, just let me have my Kingsbane.

[royal lantern]

riot way of balancing would be "people like to play DH, we buff DH everytime a new raid releases"

riot is a big joke in balancing cus they play favorites so extremely obvious

[vestal wren]

riot changed balancing strategy quite often

they had a statistical/theoretical approach

but now only use it for the giga extremes you don't rly need to see it

[plain moon]

We’ll really riot buffs around skin lines. Got to make sure ur big booba champs are OP so people buy the new skins

[vestal wren]

and also now buff/nerf more to change the meta than balance the game

[honest path]

One of the employees at Riot wanted to play Blitzcrank in Jungle. What did they do? Buffed Blitzcrank that he could be played in jungle. That was so ridiccoulous

[plain moon]

So maybe calling it the riot approach was wrong. But that approach I feel is the best

[vestal wren]

i do think the approach was good to be focused on bringing outliners i line

but as mentioned, they did drop this approach

what is nice is how they handle changes, you get to see buffs/nerfs in advanced on ptr

[plain moon]

Sometimes wow ptr feels pointless tho. Players spend their time testing new changes, just to give feedback that is ignored half the time

[vestal wren]

the problem is that the cycles are too long

[plain moon]

Although I think blizz has still gotten better at that, even if it’s still weak

[vestal wren]

changes can come in at any point in the cycle

and you can have a lot or no time to get iteration or feedback

[royal lantern]

doing regular updates, yeha ofc

but the riot approach itself is litearlly just "new skin line=buffs, popular champ=more skins=more buffs, if you are unpopular and underperfoming(and thats often related btw), you can stay in the dumpster for ages" unless its a big outliner

and also that they just gave up on multiple champs for multiple years and just said "yeha sorry, those are proplay champs, they will be bad for 99,99999% of players xd"

imagine if blizz would straight up say "yeha sorry, fire mage is good in high lvl m+, cant change it to make it playable everywhere else"

[earnest remnant]

also a thing that alot of the stuff the community might not like in terms of changes is what the game devs want for the class

[royal lantern]

the only thing riot does good there is doing regular updates, thats it

[vestal wren]

i think this one rly comes down to communication

[earnest remnant]

a pretty obvious one

[vestal wren]

even if the community does not agree, having a good reason to do a change and state it is way better

[earnest remnant]

is that people want more burst for their cooldowns, but they are clearly taking the game in another direction

[vestal wren]

i am not even sure about that

there are many specs with good burst, it is more inconsistent

[plain moon]

Yeah things like fire mage or pro play champs like azir fall into the category imo of this no longer needs tuning to fix and needs either a big or mini rework to fix the underlying problem

[vestal wren]

e.g. looking at rogue

[earnest remnant]

its what they have to many classes already

[vestal wren]

having 3 spec being flat liners does not feel like a design goal

but maybe i am wrong

[earnest remnant]

thats what im saying

the community wants burst

but the game is going in a different direction

they are actively ripping it away

[vestal wren]

i mean, they just in SL re-introduced a lot of burst

similar to DF with the talent trees

so maybe it is what they want with rogue

but i don't think its a general trend

[earnest remnant]

its not just rogue they have done it to

[plain moon]

How do you guys feel about the talent tree rework now that we’ve had it for awhile?

[honest path]

!whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[plain moon]

Personally I hated it going into DF, and while still not a fan, it’s not as bad as I expected. But I think the majority was very excited for it to start off

[royal lantern]

overall 1of the best things they made in a long time, some classes/specs suffer from underdevelopment(rogue is 1of them)

but that is getting adressed

[plain moon]

What do you enjoy about it compared to old tree?

[peak bobcat]

Is it tho

[royal lantern]

yes??

[earnest remnant]

they said they are

[limber lion]

It literally is

[royal lantern]

just cause rogue is sidelined doesnt mean they are not doing anything

lol

frostmage litearlly gets a rework next Patch

[plain moon]

Personally I feel it plays very similar. 90% of talents are non negotiables and are always taken. Leaving a few meaningful choices you swap between depending on the situation/preference. Which is just the old tree

[earnest remnant]

wow is a numbers game at the end of the day

it was always gonna be like that

something will always just be better

its just giving you the illusion of choice

[plain moon]

Yeah that’s why I was very against the talent tree rework

The one advantage it has is utility choices tend to be more plentiful than the old tree. For other classes at least

[earnest remnant]

to bad in most cases you cant pick them

cuz they go up against output talents

[plain moon]

But the disadvantage is you have to deal with routing which sometimes forces you to take stuff you don’t want. Like the sin AoE build now

[night delta]

there's some argument to be made that at least illusion of choice can be a more pleasant experience than barely any apparent choice at all

you can at least feel like you have some control over what you play

[wet tusk]

Quick question, is Rouge good rn or Bad as a class to learn? My guild Is Looking to clear hc and we have too many hunters (me included). They want 1-2 of us to Reroll, I only have Rouge as an alt… is it Worth it or is the Performance lacking?

[solid mica]

Is the recomended build without exang pinned anywhere?

[royal lantern]

its heroic Mate, nothing really matters there lol

[wet tusk]

Well we want to First clear it with only guildies and we‘re quite casual 😅

[balmy condor]

faq

[deft flicker]

At that level you being comfy with the class matters a lot more than the class itself being good/bad in hands of a sim bot

I’d say try a few other classes while leveling (should be quick enough nowadays), if you don’t know what to choose - take a look at what raid buffs/utility you might be missing and go for those OR pick based on your feelings towards certain concepts

Rogue is in a pretty rough spot right now in terms of pure damage performance, but comes with benefits of being very durable, very mobile and quite easy to gear (most of the stuff can be crafted or farmed from repeatable content)

[vapid sierra]

It’s heroic, not worlds first raiding. You can top or nearly top meters with anything you know good enough

[cursive frost]

@wet tusk assassination is a really good spec to pick up with just a little practice, and you can also use the same stats to run subtlety in M+

If the assassination dungeon rotation is too much

[royal lantern]

wanna talk again about that "very mobile" part?

[blazing jewel]

Sin is decently mobile

[limber lion]

Hell no

I mean step is cool and all but honestly I was so used to shadowlands step being like 45 yards or something, so the 25 yards nowadays feels so small

I spam my step 100 times and nothing happens and I think I'm out of charges, but I'm just out of range

[clever sapphire]

i never looked at the yards, but now it makes sense why it feels so scuffed to use shadowstep

[woeful meteor]

At least sin isnt 1 step, 2 min sprint rn

[royal lantern]

decent yeha, but not really very mobile

and sub has 1of the worst mobility un the game lol

[clever sapphire]

i mean im using 2 steps to get to where i previously got with 1

[blazing jewel]

And acro

[subtle tundra]

Boohoo you have vanish

[blazing jewel]

Id say that’s fine for mobility not bad but not amazing

[woeful meteor]

Yeah, should have put hook into class tree outlaws one redeeming quality

[limber lion]

I mean yeah we're not exactly DH but we're not Retri either

[blazing jewel]

Id say at least comparable to warrior

[woeful meteor]

not when I double vanish in the opener 😄

or have to hold it with rotten

[subtle tundra]

Oh no your 100 dps

👏👏👏👏

[clever sapphire]

you mean like shadowdance from sub? 🤔

[woeful meteor]

But those 100 dps are surely gonna make our break my grey parse turning green

[royal lantern]

2

acro

aka the wow version of heroin

i dont need it dont need it i dont need it i dont need it dont need it i dont need it i dont need it dont need it i dont need it i dont need it dont need it i dont need it

i can play without acro

🙂

[deft flicker]

Passive movement speed ✅
Sprint ✅
Option of double step or step + hook ✅
Acro ✅
(Outlaw special) Restless Blades on hook and sprint ✅

I’d say that’s very

[royal lantern]

ask sub rogues about the 2min sprint fun

worgen racial is legit better then baseline sprint

[deft flicker]

Subs have omega sprint (shroudge)

[royal lantern]

outlaw is mobile yeha, thats not a question

assa is ok, its nothing special, but its good

sub is bad

[wraith mantle]

What does sin have that sub does not that makes it faster?

[deft flicker]

Most of these are probably very niche, but farther steps + vanish strike + vanish pretty much resetting step cd sounds at least decent

[royal lantern]

assa can play double step and 1min cd sprint

sub plays with only 1 step and the baseline 2min cd sprint

[deft flicker]

Outlaw is just out of this world mobile though. 50% passive movespeed when stealthed is huuuge on its own

[royal lantern]

now the big downside: you play outlaw

[cursive orchid]

what is an outlaw?

[royal lantern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw

[cursive orchid]

An outlaw, in its original and legal meaning, is a person declared as outside the protection of the rogue community.

ah i see

[gentle apex]

Bring back burst of speed lol

[deft flicker]

You forgot to mention the downside

[fallen raven]

i miss it so much just for open world/soloing

[wraith mantle]

The reason they are outside the protection of the law? They move faster then paladins

[rain oyster]

The range reducction after SL still has me fucked up. I think i can step from a lot further than i can then realize i have to basically be up the bosses ass. Bring back long range step

[limber lion]

Yep it's very unfortunate

[peak bobcat]

This ruined me for like 30 pulls of Raz

[vestal wren]

can have longer step range if you play sub and don't care about dps

[limber lion]

...

the dps isn't the problem fuu

I could also just play DH instead and have infinite mobility

[vestal wren]

i know

but it adds to the problem, because even having higher range is not ideal if you need to trade off dps for it

[limber lion]

Not sure what you're saying

because playing Sub/Outlaw is not the solution

Even if Sub did 100k more dps, it's still not getting played

[vestal wren]

oh no, i completely agree that rogue feels weak in terms of mobility

and assassination has more mobility than subtlety, but still feels lacking

its just that subtlety has access to higher step range, that would help

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6P9FEbkiHkJaXxQy2NmoVC

but it is positioned in a way that trades off a noticable amount of damage

[limber lion]

Yeah but you're missing the point

It doesn't matter if you have to change talents to get higher step range

What matters is having to play Sub

And I ain't touching that spec

[raw plover]

do we still need to use expert mode to sim sin rogue or is it nightly/latest ?

[limber lion]

Even if it did 100k more dps and shadowstep was worldwide range

[vestal wren]

haha fair

[limber lion]

:D

[limber lion]

No, nightly is fine

[vestal wren]

ye, i thought of it more in a general

btw. just because i never actually tested it

[marsh grail]

man fuck this jazz all i want is for my pirate boi to be the best

[vestal wren]

can you use the consumable items from 10.0.7 to spawn targets to shadow step to in raid

i think it should work, but need to test at some point

[quick matrix]

What item?

[vestal wren]

moment

think it was this that spawned targets you could step to

[quick matrix]

Oh interesting

[hot fulcrum]

Do we have any suggestions on how to macro dragonfire bomb dispenser and to which skill is the best to do that?

[deft flicker]

Garrote ig

[vestal wren]

its 1-2g per piece on the AH, so it rly isn't that expensive

[deft flicker]

Gently squeezed toad 2: rocky boogaloo??

[vestal wren]

could be that there was a other item too

[woeful meteor]

@vestal wren the change in #1065730164077645916 means the opener changes to gar -> snd -> ER ->... at least that's how I understand cevs comment

[wraith mantle]

Removed from game

Or at least became friendly

[quick matrix]

I wouldn’t think that they are alive long enough to be mega useful?

[deft flicker]

Rip toad

[wraith mantle]

Nvm forget what I said

[vestal wren]

from the sample sequence

[wraith mantle]

They are just friendly which means it could still work

[quick matrix]

Yeah-I’m sure there’s some niche uses

[vestal wren]

ill queue up for lfr

lets see if the box works

(worse case i wasted 2g on the ah)

[woeful meteor]

ok nice ty now the pre pull beacon tech just needs to be implemented

[quick matrix]

Something something I’m never gonna finically recover

[gusty mirage]

[quick matrix]

What’s the beacon pre pull tech

[gusty mirage]

You beacon then vanish into the opener

Which I mean, probably not terrible

[woeful meteor]

Now you talent MA and all them crit

[grim jay]

sounds pretty minimal

[gusty mirage]

Jokes on you MA is whitelisted

[woeful meteor]

was it always?

[grim jay]

should be, since it just gives crit

[quick matrix]

Isn’t it better to use beacon for the BTE/tier interaction than like that?

[grim jay]

you used MA for trinkets back when it was new

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers, notoriously one of the few strict whitelisted abilities for rogue

Funny enough the legendary in SL wasn’t but the talent it was named after was

[grim jay]

this is sin

[woeful meteor]

kk I rember MA legendery getting white listed middle of 9.0

[quick matrix]

I’m lost how did I end up here

I’m scared

[spice spire]

I’d like to forget SL

[quick matrix]

Yeah my b

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, we bake cookies while pooling energy

Have a few

[grim jay]

yeah back when it was new you used it with draught of souls

good old times

[quick matrix]

BRB having a cig while getting energy

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

its fine i got 25g back by killing a loot goblin

[gusty mirage]

[quick matrix]

Damn big stonks

[wraith mantle]

But if you never bought the box. You would have gained that 25 instead of the 23 gold

[vestal wren]

works

needed to add a highligh

[wet tusk]

Hey, i wanna Play assassin as my alt. I pretty much geared him up with my guild and only have a few Things missing.
What do you guys think I should Craft? I got 2 Sparks left and dont Know what to do with them. Ty in advance https://retail.safe-armory.com/en/character/6481cf374d377

[spice spire]

Weapon and toxic Patch on belt/bracers

[wet tusk]

spreadsheet says belt/Bracers but wouldnt a Ring be better in my case since im still missing one?

[spice spire]

It’s not about what you need right now - it’s long term. And you can’t toxic patch a ring

Only leather pieces

[wet tusk]

Ah okay

And dagger is Worth it Even tho i have 2 of the raid ones?

[spice spire]

447 weapon (main hand) is a pretty big gain overall. Even over 441 it was well worth

You could also make the ring and push the weapon out one week

[wet tusk]

Ty alot, so sticking to the Spreadsheet is still good in my case then 😄

[spice spire]

Probably

The embellishments are definitely ideal.
After that you can do a bit

[still leaf]

whatever you do don't be like me and craft the spore shoulders, i hate them

[normal mist]

came to a normal run to obliterate bosses, no one is logging, i did a top50 parse

i cry

1st boss 😦

stars aligned? xD

[dark token]

Log ur own combat log

[normal mist]

My pc doesnt like it very much

usually its my GF who logs our guild kills

[somber sparrow]

doesnt typing /combatlog not really change anything it's not really already logging without recording it

[pure moth]

Doesnt change anything. Live logging usually is worse for me. So i just upload after

[somber sparrow]

Also when is it time to use the "bacon" from beyond in rotation. The sim shows "using items" happening 30 seconds in the fight

is that so i don't waste time during a potion from GCD

[spice spire]

Do you have two on use

[somber sparrow]

yes one is the bomb dispenser which I just macro'd with mutilate

[spice spire]

Yeah that would be why

[somber sparrow]

ok so it triggers 10 second cooldowns on others

so then by the time i can use the other trinnket it would be like 30 seconds in, makes sense

[spice spire]

There’s an internal GCD on on use trinkets. And yeah the 10s is done by then

That’s why

[somber sparrow]

got it! thanks for helping me realize it haha

[spice spire]

Bomb dispenser is different in its 10s, most of the time it’s 30s

Glad to help

[somber sparrow]

off to work i go

[shrewd night]

isn't it 20?

[spice spire]

It probably is

I’d have to have a bomb dispenser to know

[spice surge]

Its 10s

For bomba

[spice spire]

From bomba > another bomvw or is that just the general everything after using bomba

[spice surge]

Both

Cant use beacon for 10s if you bomba, cant bomba until 10s later

[spice spire]

I thought that was the interaction but wasn’t 100% sure

[spice surge]

Would be more interesting if you could stack the bombas, then just using it on cd wouldnt always be the best play since you could stack up a big one when you needed burst

But alas

We are stuck in "use on cd" hell

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

I have a very very surprising fact for you quake, my p1 damage on sark increased when i got beacon instead of anvil, who woulda guessed right?

[spice spire]

It’s almost as if bacon is insane

Especially in the crits

[spice surge]

1.4M crits

[lethal cliff]

bacon from beyond OP

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

[gray crest]

[random arrow]

Could I perhaps bend someone's ear and ask how echoing reprimand is used properly?
I think I just use it at bad times.

[spice spire]

You just use it on cd

[gusty mirage]

And try not to cap combo points when using it

[random arrow]

I guess I'll have to reread it. Do I wanna aim for it to be in the 5th slot? Or does it work like that blue charge is like spending 7 skill points

[gusty mirage]

Oh, you should be playing resounding clarity talent below it, should be getting 3 anima charged cps

[spice spire]

Which makes it much easier to manage

[random arrow]

Ah ok.
I did go over the faq but I should state I'm just like level 68 and got super curious

[spice spire]

Ag that’s probably the thing

Resounding clarity makes the ability much more bearable

[lofty pendant]

so I am trying to determine if something is broken on my end, so envenomv refreshes snd, at least it was, however between yesterday and today i noticed that my envenom is refreshing my rupture but not my snd, was there a change that i missed, i can't find anything about it anywhere i have read

[spice spire]

It does not refresh rupture

[scenic sapphire]

Envenom refreshing Rupture, what?

[spice spire]

[lofty pendant]

it absolutely is though

that is why i think somehting is broken

[spice spire]

Are you still talented into cut to the chase

Do you have a log that shows this?

[lofty pendant]

yes, talented into cut to the chase

[gusty mirage]

[scenic sapphire]

How are you tracking Rupture and SnD @lofty pendant? Are you using a WA or default blizz UI?

If you're using a WA, you might have tracked Rupture and SnD wrongly

[lofty pendant]

i use WA

it is definitely the rupture icon that is going back up on it countdown

let me see if i can get a log while smashing this training dummy

but rupture isnt falling off the bad guy either

[scenic sapphire]

Can you do a short record or something, it sounds really odd. I'm trying myself right now and not having this issue

[lofty pendant]

yea i am working on it

so i dont normallylog things so had to figure it out real quick

[limpid grove]

hey guys, which talents are you using in tyrannical weeks?

Im puzzled because I'd like to also take zoldycks for single-target/finishing against bosses, but i dont want to remove the other talents

[agile osprey]

The sub ones

[limpid grove]

wdym?

[vestal wren]

he made a joke

[marsh grail]

[vestal wren]

you don't rly change much of talents between tyranical/fortified

[limpid grove]

And also, do i use crimson tempest just to keep the dot on mobs or do i spam it at packs?

[agile osprey]

iirc at 5+ it’s a wash between CT spamming and fishing for pb procs?

[gusty mirage]

fun fact, doesn't matter

as long as the CT dot is up you can either push CT or fish for PB procs

[limpid grove]

Im sorry whats pb again xD

(im kinda new to rogue)

[scenic sapphire]

Poison Bomb

[limpid grove]

Oh ofc

ty ^^

[lofty pendant]

ok so i never have to do logs, i just click a link and go study them but i was not at my raid last night so i dont have logs from last night to link, it is proving to be a dfiifcult task for me to figure this out right now, i am still working on it so it might be a few before i can actually get them on here. but i promise that it's happening, even when i turn the WA off and track with blizz default it still does the same thing

[brazen lagoon]

I get better results doing 1 CT and aiming for PB under 5-6 tzrgets

[gusty mirage]

yep that'll happen if you proc PB

if you don't

it'll be slightly worse

like ever so slightly

[tacit otter]

still waiting for my nelth vs essence trinket sim you promised me

[brazen lagoon]

If you dont yeah its another problem ahahah

[gusty mirage]

I got pulled into an alt raid

then alt f4'd

I gotchu

can you link me one of your sims again

so I can yoink the nelth trinket string

I'll do it now before I forget again

cuz I'm old

[tacit otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vaQxKMkwfAYvYg3NzhNcKx

[gusty mirage]

Neltharions Leidensruf (444) I'm assuming this is it?

oh

okay discord

that's cool

[tacit otter]

yes

[gusty mirage]

maybe I can make it work on my profile

[tacit otter]

all good i was just curious because you mentioned its way ahead on your profile:)

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qz27TBe247X2tnGk46tFRA

there ya go

oh

execute

cause I was simming execute

sec

lol

[tacit otter]

dude you shook me with that number at first

[gusty mirage]

well now you know it's better in execute

[tacit otter]

i was like 140 damn

[tacit otter]

but what if it doesnt proc in execute haha

[gusty mirage]

we purposefully wipe the raid until it does

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2SaZDU6z3XUT9uLfkDA8Dt@tacit otter

smol downgrade from 441 beacon

better than 441 dice

if I had a chance at it

it'd be the easiest decision of my life

never worry about beacon, and not critting beacon

and fitting in beacon casts in between the icd from bomb/beacon

[tacit otter]

but then you get the essence out of the shitty 4x mythic chest and its better than the item you took out of vault

(nelth trinket)

[gusty mirage]

do you have all available buffs in your raid?

cause if you're running it solo or with only 1 or 2 other people

it's 100% worse than nelth trinket

[tacit otter]

ye even when swapping people in and out on reclear we have all

[gusty mirage]

how many fucking essences did yall get

wtf

we've gotten like

3

[tacit otter]

we have like 4-5 people just going mastery alone

[royal lantern]

those shadow essences?

[tacit otter]

im the first going crit

[gusty mirage]

experiments trinky

[royal lantern]

oh

mate, im a trial in a guild rn

they have 0 experiments trinkets and 0 rashok trinkets

like, at all

never dropped

no matter the difficulty

[gusty mirage]

yeah we dropped our first rashok trinket last night on heroic

lol

and we've dropped 3 total experiments trinkets

and our nelth trinkets have been dogshit luck too

one of our warlocks has been clearing nelth every week still doesn't have it

hasn't even seen it drop

[thorn fjord]

We got 2 on Tuesday

[tacit otter]

ty for trying, another quick question. you just simming with crit flask for bigger number or you actually use it on mythic?

[distant helm]

our raid hasnt seen a single class trinket and we have been clearing since week 1

[gusty mirage]

bigger number to feel better about myself

even though my crit's already in DR w/o it

lol

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tmjJNQQQ7aMcorCVdY1amK I've finally break into the 120 threshold POOOOG

[tacit otter]

i just dont sim with in anymore after the ring fuckery yesterday, it makes me feel weird

[viscid spear]

Ashkandur

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

i dont have 34% crit anymore

[distant helm]

we had 4 of those drop

[thorn fjord]

Gotta get them numbers up

[tacit otter]

i have 47 with all crit equipped 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I'm at 41% w/ runes

[royal lantern]

39% w runes

[gusty mirage]

wait I just replaced a cloak

[viscid spear]

No one needs it anymore, we actually gave it to a Evoker for transmog

[gusty mirage]

I think I'm at 43%

kek

[royal lantern]

my gear is actually somewhat haste heavy

[thorn fjord]

Let’s get an all rogue group going and bum rush an lfr @gusty mirage

[royal lantern]

8% haste with slimy boots

[normal mist]

My seems ask for more and more haste

[gusty mirage]

for what

[thorn fjord]

Shits and giggles

[gusty mirage]

the only thing that'd be a semi-upgrade is like lfr sark cloak

which isn't even available yet

[royal lantern]

and cba swapping boots because BuT ThOrNy SiMs HiGhEr fuck thorny and eating recup heal procs lmao

[thorn fjord]

I’m kidding they would be a nightmare

[gusty mirage]

nah lfr is chill

I'll solo rashok on my pally again

[thorn fjord]

Nice haha

[gusty mirage]

it was me, the other tank who dc'd, and 3 healers

and we killed the last 15% of rashok

[thorn fjord]

Like a true gamer

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880

[peak bobcat]

must be nice

[tacit otter]

aware https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gcD8bGAzYKLn2XERDWkpaU

[marble hemlock]

not quite sure what youre asking

[plain flower]

Assassin slapped in raid last night performed better than sub and outlaw with my gear tbh

Sepsis believer coming through

[spice surge]

You can play sepsis as sub too

[plain flower]

Rotten was okay

[gusty mirage]

sweet child

who hurt you

[plain flower]

It peaked higher than assa on burst

But its sustained damage was bad

[agile osprey]

Then the execute damage kicks in

[earnest remnant]

sweden

[agile osprey]

[gusty mirage]

makes sense

[plain flower]

How does assa execute work?

[woeful meteor]

you proc more blindside and dots just deal more dmg

[agile osprey]

Zold-i can’t spell the rest

[woeful meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-hxh-killua-zoldyck-hunter-x-hunter-glare-gif-17236023

That guy comes and kills the boss for you 😄

[gusty mirage]

motion to just call it Dicks?

[gray crest]

Sold dicks

Soul dicks

[spice surge]

Its more burst oriented and more skill expression (which is also unfortunate because i screwed it up on our nelth kill)
https://cdn3.emoji.gg/emojis/6643-peepowicked.png

[thorn fjord]

We using nightly or latest today?

[gusty mirage]

did something change

like in the last few hours

if not, nightly is safe to use

[gusty mirage]

lost me at skill expression, I have none

[spice spire]

[lofty pendant]

i figured it out, so i apparantly had a macro for envenom that i had done wrong, it had the envenom tooltip but was set to cast rupture, i am brilliant >.<

[stark kraken]

[agile osprey]

I do so much damage during dicking phase

Warriors cope

[gusty mirage]

It happens, I'm glad you figured it out though!

[spice spire]

In the immortal words of max “suck and fuck the boss here”
That’s where Zoldyck’s comes in

[tall atlas]

Yes

[woeful meteor]

something about exsang got changed, but I just doubt it changes anything about its viability

[tall atlas]

Little white haired boy throws lightning yoyos at boss

[gusty mirage]

that's already in afaik

nightly updates at 8am cest

iirc

can just use latest if you want

no harm no foul

but I'd sim both just to be safe

[thorn fjord]

Yeah theres a slight discrepancy between both

But like only 200-300 difference

[woeful meteor]

44min again ago assuming I understand the simcraft git correctly

[thorn fjord]

not even that much

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jovcnBLoUDwtifo66rRfG9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/15tz5B3ADWR7dHE8hCircX

Super negligable

[limber lion]

Marginal

thus doesn't count

[keen spruce]

that's 1dps outside of margin for error

[gusty mirage]

same

[limber lion]

Someone needs to revise their math

[keen spruce]

why my picture not load

[limber lion]

It did

[keen spruce]

oh there it is

[spice spire]

It did

[keen spruce]

goddamnit

[thorn fjord]

Meh i aint even gonna bother touching anything then lol

[peak bobcat]

What’s the tech to getting a beacon to drop

[keen spruce]

14

[spice spire]

Just kill the boss

[keen spruce]

I can't math

[peak bobcat]

I’ve killed it on norm and heroic every week and I’m convinced it doesn’t even exist

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

5 stations of the cross before pulling

[spice spire]

Brother

[limber lion]

You're getting there

Not quite

But you're on the right track

[spice spire]

No shot

[peak bobcat]

11

[limber lion]

We have a winner

[peak bobcat]

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

oh it was 11

I thought 11

[limber lion]

But said 1 and 14 instead?

[keen spruce]

yes

u know my brain don't work gud

[spice spire]

This explains so much about gearing and builds

[limber lion]

too many pepes on the screen

brain go mushmush

[spice spire]

Amen

You know what was

7% sophic uptime on a kill

[keen spruce]

7

[limber lion]

Hey I had that on Rashok as well

[keen spruce]

how

[limber lion]

And Magmorax

And Echo

And Sark

Uhm

[gusty mirage]

get it in your vault week 2 like I did

I got nothing else outside of that

[gusty mirage]

we've dropped 3 beacons all tier

and 2 were normal

lol

[spice spire]

Yeah. You love to see it.

[spice spire]

I had equal sophic uptime on mag except I was quite literally afk for over half the fight on mag

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

ok that's just filthy

[spice spire]

Shmeeps has cape

And isn’t taking stats, he’s taking sophic uptime

[keen spruce]

are all of my parses a lie

they're just sophic high rolls

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Just wait for the Augoker

[spice spire]

It’s a shame on zskarn tho cuz I had the omega bs highroll

[gaunt moat]

I'm still trying to figure out how did whispyr get 117k dps on rashok pre-buff.
he high rolled annulet, but it can't be just that.

post-patch i don't even reach that

[spice surge]

Did you try slamming two redbulls at 5 am

[spice spire]

117 isn’t that bad tbh

Couple crits from beacon

And ur chuckling

[gaunt moat]

he didn't have beacon

had bomb and dice

[royal lantern]

good dice and sophic procs during DM windows

like

all those shity rng stat procs have a gigantic impact when they proc at the right time

[limber lion]

He is THE Assassination theorycrafter after all

He MUST have some secret juice

he's hiding the tech from ya'll

get your forks out

[keen spruce]

looks like 2 deathmarks in execute

[spice surge]

Subsribe to his patreon to get all the secrets

[gaunt moat]

he had 117k throughout the whole fight

[keen spruce]

7% sophic uptime

[gusty mirage]

yeah but are you a classically trained violinist who's got a chiseled jaw?

you take the 17% sophic uptime

I'll take cev's talents and looks

[keen spruce]

why not both

[peak bobcat]

0

I can’t believe it

[buoyant mauve]

oh wrong respond lol

[gusty mirage]

because this game hates us

you pick good rng in game or good rng irl

[gaunt moat]

that's his log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1fM3AhdncLPHGvjg#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=3

[gusty mirage]

you can't have both

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat yeah but getting 2 full deathmarks in execute moves that average up

good kill time

[spice spire]

He also had the ideal kill timer and was able to pot on his 4th dm vanish window for the GIGA blasting

[buoyant mauve]

bid 501k to your feral druid who won it since raid lead said he doesn't care about non tier loot

[peak bobcat]

We can’t even get it to drop to argue about it

[peak bobcat]

?? When does one of them start

[gusty mirage]

bro idk

I'm waiting for the good rng irl

[spice spire]

Double sylv week one in season 4

🤨

[gusty mirage]

this man cheated

but I appreciate the degen

[earnest remnant]

frfr

[gusty mirage]

your in game RNG is there to balance the universe

CHECKLIST MR. STEALTHI

[gaunt moat]

It's more than that, in 6:30 minutes, I had 77 envenoms, he had 85.

[gusty mirage]

1. Great Rogue
2. Smart
3. Funny
4. Handsome AF
5. Lawyer
6. Rides a fancy expensive motorcycle
7. Handsome AF

mfer talking to us about rng

[keen spruce]

oxi is indirectly calling me a neckbeard virgin POS

[gusty mirage]

bro compared to cev and stealthi

we're all neckbeard virgin POSs

[keen spruce]

so it's true

[gusty mirage]

if its any consolation, I think you're funny

and I enjoy talking to you

[earnest remnant]

i look like i havent seen the sun in 10 years

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

"you have a great personality"

[gusty mirage]

that's because you're awake between 10pm and 6am

[limber lion]

can't have a neckbeard if you can't grow any facial hair

[spice spire]

How many cp did you Gen? From seal fate as well?

[earnest remnant]

same cev

[gusty mirage]

y'all want my beard too?

[earnest remnant]

cant grow any at all

[austere fulcrum]

insane amount of versa there

looks like it is working

[keen spruce]

envenom more

[gusty mirage]

don't tell notter how to live his life

how dare you

[limber lion]

That's what the flask does yes

[vestal wren]

so you are a naked trash panda?

[gusty mirage]

stealthi's a naked trash panda

[limber lion]

but sure high vers = big parse

[gaunt moat]

I actually generated 4 more with seal fate. but also wasted 11 more through seal fate

[spice spire]

That’s 2/8

[spice surge]

Used to be my rogue when i wasnt a cow and had a slutmog on on

[spice spire]

We’re a quarter of the way there

[earnest remnant]

might as well fuckin be

in this heat it would probably be better

[gusty mirage]

hot

[spice surge]

I would not say that was the most common reaction to it among the pugs i joined

[gaunt moat]

sorry just started dungeon, i'll be investigating further soon

[keen spruce]

notter your stones are giga low rolling on your better pulls

it appears

[gusty mirage]

yeah those people prolly have anime pfps and play barefoot elves in wow

[gaunt moat]

my log are privates, but yes

his annulet did 2m more than mine

[keen spruce]

I have logs for you from sunday

[austere fulcrum]

diurna 🙂

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

ill have uknow that i had an anime pfp when i joined this server

[gusty mirage]

we had a guy in sub insist that it was because of the order of the stones

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-so-sad-gif-25352430

Technically i have an anime pfp

[gaunt moat]

well my annulet always does low damage, so i dunno.. IT MIGHT BE

[gusty mirage]

pokemon is universal

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

rppm be a bitch sometimes

[earnest remnant]

so is this

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

first i had pain from naruto, then natsu from fairy tail, then raccoon

[woeful meteor]

I'll have you know I'm wearing shoes currently

[keen spruce]

can i interest anyone in some freehold +20 spam, dice traders only

[woeful meteor]

Your on NA right?

[keen spruce]

yes chef, i was jokin tho. we're never gonna find a tank if we come in hot with 1000 rogues

i will suffer in peace

[limber lion]

Wut

[woeful meteor]

Idk I'm pretty sure I could force one of my guild tanks, but I'm EU and have raid in 30

[keen spruce]

whispyr had another 1000 vers from eggnog ring

[gusty mirage]

do you insult eleem?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

But you don't use the ring for the versatility

It's not because of the vers that he does high dps

that's the dumbest thing

It's literally the effect

[keen spruce]

i was just clarifying

[woeful meteor]

Nah all my other chars are naked foxes since I cba doing the first 10 lvls 😄

[thorn fjord]

Is mine confirmed anime?

[limber lion]

Yeh but the other dude said "oh very high vers, looks to be working" implying that it's because of his vers that he does dps

I mean sure go for it, stack yourself with only vers

let me know how it goes

[eternal vortex]

hi, are we still keeping vanish for the 2nd dm cast with sepsis?

[limber lion]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

laughs in 25% verse

[limber lion]

Damn you must only get r1's

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat

I don't think your enh

cast windfury

[thorn fjord]

[keen spruce]

or your RL didn't put you in the WF group

[limber lion]

On which fight?

Or which log

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat

[gusty mirage]

wait

they put a ret pally in wft

over you?

bro no shot

[keen spruce]

we cracked the code

[gusty mirage]

ret pally gets half of what assassination gets

[limber lion]

what log are you lookikng at

[gusty mirage]

there's no chance your RL did you dirty like that

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qPGAgykdc24tR1VC#fight=27&type=auras&ability=327942

his rashock logs

from sunday

idk why some are public

[limber lion]

That retri pick is pretty troll

[agile osprey]

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce my logs are private

sorry in dungeon

[keen spruce]

sir I am lookin at logs from your guild rn

[limber lion]

It's true

[eternal vortex]

they put retri pallys in for wf in my raid aswell because of the ashkandur

with warriors

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

the profile they use has it...?

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

those are the bis set up profiles

meaning even with ass candy

it's half worth that for assassination

meaning his RL is actually inting their raid

by almost 2k dps

[spice spire]

Don’t they take the crusader strike talent?

[gusty mirage]

so the ret pally can feel important

[eternal vortex]

does anyone has that spreadsheet? i cant find it

[woeful meteor]

No also it doesnt get affected by windfury

[gusty mirage]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem

bloodmallet took it over

[woeful meteor]

it says it directly on the talent

[eternal vortex]

ah

[grim tangle]

why is a guild on rashok private logging

[spice spire]

That’s why I asked

[eternal vortex]

does anyone know why did whisp delayed his vanish during his 2nd dm? trying to figure out stuff for rashok

[sullen hollow]

!fuu

[tacit otter]

you already have emp garrote running from your 1:30 sepsis