assassination

[eager sorrel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

why do we delay the first garrote in sepsis doesn't that extra time just get picked up on the 2nd one

[gusty mirage]

now I get to press garrote and rupture slightly faster?

[keen spruce]

i always just sepsis -> garrote in the opener

[gusty mirage]

when do you deathmark and shiv

[keen spruce]

right after that

[gusty mirage]

sepsis > DM > shiv

fits all of shiv into the sepsis window

you're wasting a global smh

[keen spruce]

but we have 2 shivs

[gusty mirage]

whatever will you do without that like 8 dps

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

I can't believe you wouldn't press every single global perfectly like the robot that's programmed to do so

just delete your rogue tbh

[keen spruce]

[gentle gyro]

hol up we have two shivs? did I miss something

didnt check talents since we added sepsis to it

[gusty mirage]

ye you play lightweight shiv and venom rush in the non-exsang build

[proven jasper]

ya we take double shiv now

ya

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/2phones-kevin-gates-gif-11241471

[fallen charm]

you missed the exsanguinate fiasco

[proven jasper]

mhm

[keen spruce]

also i've now run quicksim like 30 times each with bomb and beacon in swapped slots

if beacon in 13 it crits twice in 5m sim

if beacon in 14 it crits once

[gentle gyro]

hey at least you have beacon

[proven jasper]

lucky number 13 i guess

[keen spruce]

and dice still sims higher for me no matter which one i put it in

[gentle gyro]

I only have this

[proven jasper]

im so glad i got rid of fragment yesterday

[gentle gyro]

BECAUSE I NEVER GET LOOT FROM A 17 OR ABOVE

[gusty mirage]

yeah your shits cursed bro

idk

[proven jasper]

441 nelth trink

[keen spruce]

the real curse is that if beacon doesn't crit twice then anvil sims higher too

[gentle gyro]

sims lower than fragment

[gusty mirage]

anvil gud trinket tho

[gusty mirage]

fragment oversimming tho

[proven jasper]

yeah fragment bait fr

[gentle gyro]

hey im all for managing one less active

[proven jasper]

nelth trink sims 6k higher than frag for me lmfao

[keen spruce]

I'm holding out hope that when fragment sims are fixed it wasn't as bad as we thought

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't seem to like to subtract stacks when you mutilate

for whatever reason

[gusty mirage]

whispyr's pin is like a super rough estimate

and it might actually be worse

lol

[keen spruce]

maybe whispyr spreadsheet estimate had a mistake

[proven jasper]

also yeah having two actives made me want to kms

[gentle gyro]

tbf bomb dispenser isn't an active

[proven jasper]

true but it still puts ur other trink on a 10 sec cd

[ruby birch]

i just bacon after the first garrote

call it a day

[limber lion]

I agree it's not the most exciting button, but saying that it doesn't change the rotation is not true

[civic trellis]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Exsang heavily changed the rotation and the rules of the core spec

[proven jasper]

just bake exang into dm

call it a day

fixed

[limber lion]

Like in 9.2?

No thanks

[gentle gyro]

....once every 4 min and all it did was speed up your bleeds

[proven jasper]

hehe xd

[limber lion]

We had that already, no more

[visual coyote]

Is wowanalyzer working for assa or should I not bother any insight?

[proven jasper]

oh yeah they did that with vendetta didnt they

in 9.2

[limber lion]

Yeah but you had to play differently prio to pressing the button and you had to track exsanguinated bleeds completely independently

You had to force reapplications and you had to make sure to let the exsanguinated bleeds drop entirely before reapplying

[gusty mirage]

yeah @main vessel made it work for assassination

and we love him for it

[limber lion]

Like saying that it doesn't change rotation or how you play is just bs

[limber lion]

Yep

[proven jasper]

yeah i played outlaw in sl i didnt even know

or i forgot

idk

[main vessel]

oh, it was oxi

hi bb

[gusty mirage]

hi qt

:3

[visual coyote]

Thanks yeah guess I was looking to see if it did cd analysis but not really https://wowanalyzer.com/report/aFgdJBPp9cXqtwkn/2-Normal+Kazzara,+the+Hellforged+-+Kill+(3:08)/Hanazono/standard

[main vessel]

which CD are you looking for

or by cd analysis do you mean analysis of whether or not the usage of the cd was good

[visual coyote]

I guess this is like a wishlist but if each deathmark showed the length of rupture and garrote they captured and if you used other cds in that same window

[errant swallow]

I guess I should start recrafting everything out of vers for crit and mastery

[keen spruce]

@main vessel u did the wowanalyzer update? you beautiful creature

new wowanalyzer makes me moist

[limber lion]

Sure if you care about 0.1%

[visual coyote]

Also its impossible to be 100% efficient on vanish usage right as your pull it isnt used? or should I use it earlier

[gusty mirage]

yea

[main vessel]

the efficiency is legitimately "did you use every possible cast"

I've talked to Whispyr about how he wants it to start counting from like 15s into a pull

[gusty mirage]

given we hold first vanish you'll probably never get a good % on vanish

[main vessel]

I haven't had the time to fully dig into how

[errant swallow]

That's all i needed to NOT do it, thank you @limber lion

[gusty mirage]

might not be worth the effort tbh, might just be easier for all parties if you put a disclaimer somewhere for the vanish efficiency regarding the sepsis build

[visual coyote]

Aight makes sense if you want some inspo the mistweaver one for the ramp cd is nice 🙂

[errant swallow]

Don't have toxic crafted either, but should be a small difference with slimy

[keen spruce]

next spark is swappin slimeys to toxic for me

forever 443 ilvl

[visual coyote]

Just one of those things when I'm re learning the spec going into normal getting 95-100 bracket parse and green analyzer not sure what to look at next

[agile osprey]

SAME

[gusty mirage]

I might just make a neck

was considering cloak but eventually want sark cloak

seems not worth

or maybe a ring

[keen spruce]

toxic upgrade is biggest by a huge margin for me

[gusty mirage]

MAYBE THATS HOW I DROP ANNULET?

[keen spruce]

[steel spire]

fuck i guess it does make sense to craft crit mast for sub m+ and assas st

[runic hinge]

Why not assa m+??

[steel spire]

i dont want raid lead flaming me

[slow needle]

Does anyone have an easy WA method to know if a Garrote has been empowered or is it easier to reverse engineer another WA like Luxthos'?

[marble hemlock]

[proper tapir]

Not easy, but you can define a global variable that triggers when you have a qualifying buff and also resets when duration==null

[keen spruce]

i just take the module out of luxthos

and plop it into w/e ui you're using

[earnest remnant]

he also just didn't cast kb for over a min in p3

[woeful meteor]

those are some banger icons

[steel spire]

bro can we get these dank icons

[spice spire]

When ur reality is meme

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

whats the peepo cry one

[keen spruce]

blind

he's holdin his eyes

cuz he got sand in them

[gusty mirage]

[red atlas]

why do i feel like blizz is taking care of most talent trees but rogues lol

[eternal vortex]

not playing exang feels so good

[burnt latch]

Hey i saw the class tuning post last night. Rogue spot empty but was the blue post out? I hear people talks about the rogue rewok for 10.1.5 but no find the change. Sry if asked already

[agile osprey]

[vocal cloud]

the buffs are in im feeling it

[gusty mirage]

gotta update that details name

[gusty mirage]

I'll stab you in the face with my mouth

[vocal cloud]

i'll miss it... 😔

[burnt latch]

[austere fulcrum]

is this the secret of your logs ???

[pseudo nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proven jasper]

yes where do i find this

[brazen zodiac]

nice ui

very pretty

[lime light]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ashen rover]

Thats amazing

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce time to upload your weakaura package with icons for everyone

[balmy condor]

You’d have to download all the icons separately is the issue

[keen spruce]

yeah it's not a WA

just a peepo folder in my interface

[keen spruce]

[swift magnet]

why does the homeland raid horn sims higher than the irideus fragment on my friend ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/anu6AxbuJQL5XXJafPiXWc

[limber lion]

Probably because it's a 7 min sim and because horn is decent.

Even if Fragment did sim higher, it would still probably be worse than horn

because it oversims

[swift magnet]

so my friend should keep horn? fuu's list frag higher

[limber lion]

Read the pins

[swift magnet]

thx

[eternal vortex]

homeland is the most dogshit trinket in the game like no joke

i dont even know why its good lol

[proper tapir]

Just cloak it... Jk, that feel terrible

[swift magnet]

which one should I advise him to have?

[eternal vortex]

if he dont have the option for raid trinkets harlan from freehold is prolly a better choice

[winter vapor]

!weakaura

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[eternal vortex]

are we using beacon after DM?

[clever sapphire]

after first garrote

[balmy condor]

Typically before so you don’t wait like 25 seconds and waste a cast

[eternal vortex]

ah okay thank you

[clever sapphire]

use it prepull than insta vanish and do opener normally

[balmy condor]

Stop

[clever sapphire]

now we can also do prepull shittery

[fallow canopy]

Finally an use for Vanish before 2nd DM

[dusky granite]

Go Master Assassin to guarantee crit

[clever sapphire]

whispyr gonna hate me for bringing up his secret technique

[keen spruce]

look we're not usin our vanish anyways

[swift magnet]

he already has it with the horn

[keen spruce]

they'd have to add another 0 to the damage of raid horn to get me to use it

[spice spire]

Silence dice enjoyer

[subtle stream]

This Melandrus ring… still simming higher than any 424 I have.

Just got my 4p last night. Had to bench my socketed helm (right after I put in a new main stat gem) QQ, I know.

[keen spruce]

it's raidbots not me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQvwxu9SYU1zXLbD6YvcJf

both beacons critting

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aEXpueuQzG3sWd5G4QZ2mT

one beacon crit

[languid pier]

?fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fathom nest]

someone has a WA to track if current garrote is empowered? at best one i can copy into my own WA setup. i know luxxthos has that logic but i m not smart enough to copy and edit it...

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

you don't need to edit it

then drag the copy wherever you want

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pyS7CzeFWbuWjrdKExaMr4

so

why is no shadowflame simming better

i get free eranog procs from the ring

[keen spruce]

cuz shadowflame by itself is terrble

and erranog ring does not that much damage

and you still have flaring cowl on

which is perma procing it

[vapid sierra]

i simnmed that one without cowl

check the sim

i dropped cowl for toxic patch

i already have boots

[fathom nest]

yea i know that but i dont like everything else about this WA. like glows/text etc and im kinda scared to try and change thing to my liking but maybe i give it a shot

[keen spruce]

you have your base sim as cowl + eggnog
you have no cowl + double shadowflame
and you have no cowl no eggnog + double sophic

[keen spruce]

oh just delete everything else

my luxthos is completely empty

[vapid sierra]

yeah i wnated to see the diff between dropping a ring and sophic for eggnog ring+shadow

[keen spruce]

i don't even think i need to keep any of htis tbh

[teal iris]

is empowered rupture a different spell id or nah?

[vapid sierra]

suprised me it simmed worse but it is what it is

[keen spruce]

what empowered rupture

[teal iris]

garrotte*

[keen spruce]

do a sim with eggnog, no cowl, shadowflame on your mainhand sophic on offhand

[teal iris]

cause if so it should be easy to just make from scratch no?

[keen spruce]

uh no but i think he has some logic in there to glow when empowered or something

idk how it works that's why i copied it

[teal iris]

[vapid sierra]

doing it

[dense fox]

If I am getting full combo points or 5 combo points, what finisher should I be using if all the bleeds are running?

Envenom?

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qbAV9gFKdmU2Mg2w2mpGpC

[keen spruce]

yeah that looks about what i'd expect

shadowflame just kinda ass

and you only run it to enable eggnog

which also doesn't do that much dmg

skyshard is well statted and much higher ilvl

stats better

[stiff geode]

My fellow rogue brethren. I present the best macro known to mankind.

/run if IsStealthed() ~= (GetSheathState() == 1) then ToggleSheath() end
/cast Stealth

[keen spruce]

#showtooltip Stealth
/cancelform [mod:shift]
/cast [nomod] !Stealth

just do this

[stiff geode]

You ain't try the macro have ya

[keen spruce]

if this crashes my game i'm gonna be angy

[stiff geode]

I would never troll

[keen spruce]

tf is that noise

oh that's sheath

in that goofy ass macro

lol

[stiff geode]

Ofc, gotta whip the blades out when you stealth

for the true immersive rogue action

[keen spruce]

if you spam it if fucks it up

it'll pull your shit out during the GCD

or put it away

[stiff geode]

Yeah I'm not sure how to fix that

Need a macro guru 😄

[lethal forge]

0% celerity is ok for assa? xD

[keen spruce]

0% of any retired outlaw spell is ok for assas

[jolly goblet]

did someone got the new PI value after the buffs ?

[lethal forge]

its ok that was i guessed ty i just did today top 11 top 6 top 9 world in some hc bosses with 0% celerity xD

[gloomy dust]

can i get the toxified armor patch on boots aswell or does it need to be on wrists for some reason? 🙂

[keen spruce]

tf is celerity

[lethal forge]

cele

[keen spruce]

can't be on boots

[lethal forge]

oh my god i mean haste XDDDDDD

[keen spruce]

wrist, belt, or hat

[keen spruce]

oh LOL

i mean yeah sims will probably want you to get some once you have a good amount of crit/mast

but it's fine to have low haste

[keen spruce]

still bad

compared to our competition

[lethal forge]

https://i.gyazo.com/425b7c238d34e36d9cc73945a6059c06.png

0% lol xd

[gloomy dust]

?????

[lethal forge]

i just main subtetly, maybe switching to assa someday, but i'll still main subt until i get some gear

[tacit otter]

you need the embellishment toxic thorns or slimy to even make use of that patch

[gloomy dust]

oh ofc lmao

[tacit otter]

theres no real reason to put it on boots

[keen spruce]

well yah...

but like

[gloomy dust]

im dumb

[keen spruce]

okay someone else answered lol

[gloomy dust]

i need the slimy boots there

[keen spruce]

toxic boots*

[gloomy dust]

well, slimy expulsion boots, correct? 😅

[tacit otter]

assa st toxic are better, but if you multi spec you can consider using slimy

[gloomy dust]

ah right, the toxic torn footwraps then

thank you!

[tacit otter]

but also make sure to just sim aswell

[lethal forge]

slimmy better so u can multispec

[gloomy dust]

I only play assa, so no need 🙂

[lethal forge]

u share stats with subtetly, no need to main one thing 😄

[gloomy dust]

I know, still don't play sub 😛

[tacit otter]

yeah i would craft toxic then aswell, but i crafted slimy on week1 like most of us

[subtle stream]

Oh shit! Thanks for the reminder for 3 gems on the neck

[swift magnet]

which trinkets should my assa friend use for raiding if he does not have beacon/bomb/neltha ?? (like trinkets coming from m+)

[steel spire]

rocks and mark of dargul for epic memes

[dusty frost]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive frost]

i know this has to have been brought up, buuutttt does anyone have a sepsis buff weakaura?

[dusty frost]

Which one is bis in ds for assa? Slimy or thorns?

[fluid glade]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tacit otter]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G thats notter's, afaik many people use that one including myself

[cursive frost]

MVP

[visual shuttle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[errant swallow]

Isn't vers worst stat for assassination?

[steel spire]

my sims show 200 dps gain for recrafting off vers to mastery

not worth

[strange python]

if u get ambush proc during sepsis buff does it take it away

[tacit otter]

blindside will always be consumed first

you still have the sepsis buff up

[steel spire]

your good 👍🏾

[balmy condor]

Thorns everywhere

[dusty frost]

oh damn just crafted slimy 😄

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[gentle apex]

Anyone have a good weak aura for tracking empowered sepsis garrotes vs regular ones

[balmy condor]

The only way you’ll notice that slimy is worse

Is if you sim

You’ll never notice in game

[keen spruce]

luxthos rogue hud

tracks empowered garrotes

[night delta]

yeah i did that too, i'll replace the slimy with thorns when i have nothing else to replace with crafted

[keen spruce]

dunno about the other common UIs

[spice spire]

Nah I feel the haste loss, sorry.

[keen spruce]

he said the thing

[night delta]

if anything, knowing you have less haste will be enough to make you feel it

placebo effect

[keen spruce]

as a haste feel enjoyer

i didn't even know slimy's lowered you haste

until they said the sims were bugged to not account for it

[night delta]

slimy lowers your haste and has no haste, compared to thorns

that's double the haste loss

[spice spire]

This mf ain’t read a tooltip a day in his life

[keen spruce]

you're goddamn right

[gusty mirage]

BUT MY 0.5% DPS

[keen spruce]

I just do what yall tell me

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

then complain later

[gusty mirage]

why you holding me back bruh

[keen spruce]

I was gonna craft shoulders

then yall said toxic boots untrustworthy

and shoulders are cringe

so i made slimey's

never even looked at what they did

[onyx coyote]

With exang dead at moment is bone spike over sepsis still viable?

[night delta]

I toxic patched a headpiece

[spice spire]

The forbidden one

[night delta]

cuz guide says crit / mast > haste / vers

[spice spire]

They’re both viable, but none spike is worse than sepsis

[tacit mica]

!whyspyr

[night delta]

the head is the only set piece with haste / vers

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[tacit mica]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[night delta]

so I went just fuck it

[spice spire]

Someone ain’t in the zenith struggle and it shows

[night delta]

no head set

[keen spruce]

i have 441 socketed bracers and belt with avoidance

[gusty mirage]

do it pussy you won't

[keen spruce]

I wish i patched hat

[onyx coyote]

thank you

[tacit otter]

anyone got the big data brain and can tell me how many new assa players came this week? in terms of mythic parses or w/e

*roughly

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[onyx coyote]

Would we use ambush then when we have sepsis procing the stealthed ability?

[tacit otter]

you'll always use garrote with the sepsis buff

[night delta]

mostly always

[tacit otter]

the only time i consume a sepsis buff with ambush is when the boss is about to die and i still have emp garrote the rest of the fight applied

[static glacier]

so uh, where are the 10.1.5 changes for rogue

[night delta]

but yes, unless mob is dead or you've got better (vanish / exsang'd) garrote up, you go garrote

[static glacier]

or was that announcement a meme

[tacit otter]

normally there shouldnt be a moment where you have vanish emp garrote applied and you use sepsis or? only if you fuck up something

[night delta]

last time I checked we were told to just fire on cooldown sepsis, which could align with an emp'd garrote on 6+min fights

it might have changed though

[tacit otter]

afaik you just repeat opener on min 6 no? theres barely any boss that surv that long anyways

[night delta]

well that all depends on your raid team

just checked the guide, it is indeed more in-depth that when I last checked it

[gusty mirage]

let me consult my magic crystal ball

🔮: ask again later

sorry

I got nothing

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/magic8ball-simpsons-outlook-not-so-good-gif-13606372

[static glacier]

bruh we've been scammed

[spice spire]

Believe it or not, unexpected things may occasionally happen. Like a work force getting dwindled by getting a decision to come back to the office, among other things.

Patience friends

There’s been no scam yet

[static glacier]

I like to keep an optimistic outlook and genuinely believe in the dev team

but bruh they said we'd get changes this coming patch, nothing yet

they announced it

[night delta]

I just don't expect anything one way or the other

just go with the flow

[static glacier]

this spec has been a meme forever

litterally the last "archaic" style aoe dot spec in existence

all other dot specs actually do aoe and it's not just apply dots and wait

the modern game is different to how it used to be

[night delta]

I just liked spamming FoK with echoing blades

[static glacier]

last time we were good in keys was end of bfa and it was due to FoK azerite trait being busted

[night delta]

(I know, sacrilege, bruh, L take etc)

there's something appealing to fillling out your screen with CRIT numbers

and instant feedback of your dps going to the stratosphere on big pulls

(and then being out-stratosphered by a fire mage combustin')

[thick sail]

Probably very dumb question incoming:

Do I need to upgrade the weakauras themselves, or does simply updating the Weakaura addon via curseforge update the weakauras contained within?\

[normal mist]

heroic btw :3

[night delta]

grats

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

you still would have to update the individual weakauras

but wago has a WA companion app that kind of automates it for you in game

I'd look into that for keeping WAs up to date

[thick sail]

Is there a link that explains how to do that, or do you have an explanation for an old boomer?

[gusty mirage]

ye I gotchu

[tacit otter]

unrelated: do you have the sim of yours showing that nelth is better than essence?

[thick sail]

good man

[gusty mirage]

I will try with my profile and see if I can find something for you, at best it was a slight downgrade from 441 beacon/bomba

[gusty mirage]

https://weakauras.wtf/ - Click the link at the bottom, that's for the companion app.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/weakauras-companion-program-spotlight-289996 this post kinda summarizes all the features, but essentially all you have to do is get it to locate your WAs, click fetch updates, then in game you'll see an icon next to your WAs in the addon that lets you update it with a click

the icon looks like this:

so you'd open up WA click that and it'll let you update with like 2-3 clicks

[thick sail]

Very cool, I'm installing the companion now, we'll see what happens

[gusty mirage]

vs going to each WA individual page and manually importing

[gusty mirage]

I'm assuming you have way more than just afenars

[thick sail]

This is what I see; does "Up to date" mean it's good? Or could it mean my WA simply hasn't seen any updates since I installed it back in like... Shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

or do you just have afenar's pack

[thick sail]

I think that's all I have

[gusty mirage]

yea then you're good to go

it's up to date

what I do is every 2-3 weeks I launch the app and check if any of my WA's are out of date

[thick sail]

Oh, very cool; I've seen people talking about being able to see their Sepsis procs and their empowered Garrotes which I don't think this WA does

So I thought maybe mine was out of date

So either mine doesn't track those, or I'm an idiot and just not seeing that it does

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm not sure if afenar does or doesn't tbh

I use atrocitys ui pack

[thick sail]

Maybe I should look into that one; got a link?

[gusty mirage]

it's paywalled behind his twitch stream

so if you have a twitch prime you could toss it his way, and then it's a channel on his discord where he hosts it

[thick sail]

Oh, understood

I don't have Twitch; as stated above, boomer status

But! If I get fed up with this addon, I'll think about paying him

[gusty mirage]

the luxthos one is updated afaik

might be worth checking that out instead of dumping cash on a whole UI overhaul

cause it comes with elvui and a bunch of other stuff

that you may or may not be looking for

[keen spruce]

pretty sure only luxthos is updated for sepsis

[thick sail]

Looks like this is all I have, I'm assuming this is just the one WA, right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's his pack

its a buncha dif weakauras packaged into one

[keen spruce]

but if you have any customization on your WAs then the companion app will overwrite them when they update

like frogs

[balmy condor]

if you like how that one looks, I might be able to interest you in mine https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

it's the same thing

but I took the empowered garrote guts out of luxthos thing

and shoved it into that package

[thick sail]

Oh, that's great news

[keen spruce]

whipsyr pack very fancy

[thick sail]

Whisp, let me show you my (very basic and shitty) UI and you let me know if swapping to yours will dramatically change how this looks

[balmy condor]

sure

[balmy condor]

should be fine

the sepsis markers might be a bit big

but it fits in the same space

[thick sail]

big is good, my eyes are old

my cursor size is maxed

gf makes fun of me for it

so to use yours, would I just delete this WA entirely, copy yours, then paste it in and import? or does it somehow combine with this one

[tacit otter]

always a good idea to save your old one, just export it and save the thing so you can still swap back:)

[thick sail]

Okay, I'm checking on how to "shut off" the Aefnar one, but I'm right clicking and reading elsewhere on the WA addon, I'm not seeing how to get it into the "Not Loaded" section without just deleting it

[tacit otter]

theres a "load" tab where you can select "never" that should do it

[thick sail]

that worked perfectly, thanks

Gonna give Whispyr's a try!

Looking good so far, thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[thick sail]

Very cool. And to be clear: nothing has changed, right? Exsanguinate still <<< Master Assassin for M+?

I guess I will begrudgingly spec out of it D:

[austere fulcrum]

No more exsa

[still leaf]

exsangs dead

[austere fulcrum]

Don’t touch that until further changes

[thick sail]

RIP

Thanks friends

[abstract junco]

Big yikes

[austere fulcrum]

On experiments Mythic, we Bl at 1:18 after 2nd boss comes down, would u guys suggest keeping Mark for that or hit at start

I was hitting at start, usual opener was fine but giving a second thought now

[balmy condor]

kinda depends on how slow your raid group is

cause there's like 4:30 kill times and 6:30 kill times

if you're around 5 minutes, 5:30

holding would lose you a cast

if you're at like 5:50, 6 min

you could hold for that minute

if you're like 4:45, you could also hold

but at no point do you ever want to lose a cast

[austere fulcrum]

I think our kill will be between 5:30 to 6:15 ish. Best try %7 5.52 min

So it is better to use it at start

And dont mind Bl

Thank u @balmy condor

[normal mist]

Does echo of nelth trinket have good uptime?

It does sim higher than my 437 dice but for only 300dps

[tacit otter]

for me its between 15-30%, its really wonky and not consistent

[normal mist]

When i won the roll i was like, holy damn, this must be an huge upgrade, since i didn't even have 441 trinkets yet

But we'll, 300dps, we take those xD

[balmy condor]

It’s giga rng

One pull you’ll be at 7

Next you’ll be at 37

Very cool

[tacit otter]

my nelth trinket is significantly lower than 441 essence, so be glad its an upgrade^^

[normal mist]

Would you recommend it vs a dice437 @balmy condor ? Or just trust the sim process and not even think much about it

[weak horizon]

Trust the sims 🙏

[balmy condor]

Idk is recommend is the right word

[normal mist]

[balmy condor]

But it would be more consistent

So if that’s what you’re looking for

[normal mist]

Tbh, altough i like to parse and do well and not rely on random stuff (like 2/3 crits from beacon), i think I'll just use it. Might get lucky on some kills and absolutely improve my previous parses

I'm yet to kill sark tho, haven't even tried him in heroic

[keen spruce]

i'd also plop neth trinket into the "random stuff" category

[normal mist]

Yeah ik ik, I'll try it tomorrow on our prog on sark

[tiny valley]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[plain flower]

Is the current build kinda sustain slash rot esque? Or more of and execute

[keen spruce]

pretty flat damage profile

decent execute

for non-pi / dk

[plain flower]

Excellent

[balmy condor]

You do good burst on pull

Then you’re really sad for 4 minutes

And then you’re blasting again

[random fossil]

Just like irl

[strange python]

Lowkey surprised that there's not more sin on sark

It seems better to me. But it's all just sub.

[fossil garnet]

It was objectively worse than sub before this reset

so not that weird

[gaunt moat]

Most rogue players played sub, since it outperformed sin.
so they're geared and practiced for sub
no real point for them to go sin at this point

[strange python]

I'm not convinced that's true either.

[fossil garnet]

its true

100%

[strange python]

It sims similarly on single target but gets actual value from haste.

It kinda sucks at prioing a target I guess

[violet talon]

Not really worth for someone who is geared/practiced on Sub to switch Sin at this point because it maybe performs on par or 1% better

They would probably lose any potential "sim" benefit by way of not being as good at the rotation for a while

[fossil garnet]

not really, sin is pretty straight forward, takes less than 10min to understand it completely

[gaunt moat]

I just said that

[keen spruce]

sin was extra not good at sark

cuz of 90s timers with sepsis

[gaunt moat]

I don't buy that. there's a lot of little niche stuff.

[keen spruce]

sin has a decently high floor for a wow spec

not a crazy high ceiling though

if you've seen some of the logs i've seen

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-horror-bad-memories-apocalypse-blue-shirt-gif-16881542

[fossil garnet]

maybe Im a biased +6yr sin 1trick and thats why I dont look at it like you do

to me it is the easiest if not 1 of the 3 easiest dps specs

[gaunt moat]

they say sub is easy, but i can't play it.

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean i've played sin forever and it feels very ez and straight forward. but for new people to the spec they tend to struggle a bit to figure out some of the knick nacs

but it is low apm

and pretty forgiving to most mistakes

[fossil garnet]

low apm, few things to think about/track and very easy execution

[keen spruce]

new players are bad at dot management generally

[gaunt moat]

I think today out of like 20 pulls, i got the opener right maybe 40% of the time.
Somehow when i get it wrong i do more DPS

[gusty mirage]

true, only seasoned vets like me can be bad at everything

[fossil garnet]

I mean there is a reason why I chose sin over sub in legion when I started playing

it was much easier to understand

and very simple gameplay

[wind condor]

echo gotta be the least fun fight ever

[keen spruce]

i been hearin this

[fossil garnet]

not looking forwad to it

[keen spruce]

if we don't spend all fkin weekend on rashcock

i might get to join in your pain

[gaunt moat]

our best pull is 8% 🥲

[keen spruce]

we had to cancel raid last sunday cuz servers were taking a fat dump

our warlocks and DKs were only hitting like 120k in their openers

cuz they were losing like half of their globals

[fossil garnet]

you guys have any class trinkets on the locks?

[keen spruce]

i think we had a couple pulls close to single digits

[fossil garnet]

we had our 2nd drop today

[keen spruce]

before they took a shit tho

we have 1

2 locks 1 trinket

we've seen like 3 paladin trinkets

[gaunt moat]

I'm dying to replace my fragment too. done like 5 freeholds today. nothing.

[keen spruce]

[fossil garnet]

bruh I swear that fight doesnt die before locks have their trinkets

[keen spruce]

no rogue/boomkin/dk

[keen spruce]

same

[fossil garnet]

we have circus comp tho

[keen spruce]

freehold gulag

[fossil garnet]

imagine farming fragment

thank god I hate 2 on use trinekts

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, what kinda idiot would have done that for a whole week

[wind condor]

sin absolutely fuckin rips on it tho

so ya'll top every pull for the most part

[fossil garnet]

I was like, do I farm fragment and suffer before I get beacon or do I settle with a dice and have fun instead

[wind condor]

atleast that feels good

[keen spruce]

I farmed fragment

then i got a 447 fragment

then i got a beacon this week

and now i have to farm dice

[gaunt moat]

I'm at 441 bomb / 441 fragment

vault had bomb and anvil

[fossil garnet]

but now class trinket looks like its worth getting (at mythic) and 441 dice is like 200 sim dps lower than hc beacon so I will prob just pray for class trinket from vault when nelth dies

[strange python]

Idk who the person you're replying to is so don't wanna make assumptions, but I often see the "lol sin is easy takes no skill" takes from people who blue parse heroic as sub

[fossil garnet]

prob replied to me

but I get you

[keen spruce]

we're not sayin sin is some giga brain genius spec

but i have noticed new players seems to struggle on it from an understanding angle

[fossil garnet]

Im saying its the smol brain spec

[strange python]

Unironically sin is the most complex of the three rogue specs.

[fossil garnet]

no shot

[keen spruce]

sub and outlaw are just a little faster

[fossil garnet]

lol

[gaunt moat]

outlaw is very simple, but hard to execute

[strange python]

Have you played sub at all this expansion?

[fossil garnet]

outlaw is adhd wrist killer

[fossil garnet]

yes

[keen spruce]

more piano fingers, but also pressing the wrong button on outlaw hurts your dps like 0%

[strange python]

Unless you're playing rotten, which is a bit overstated in how complex it is, sub is maybe the easiest spec in the entire game across all classes.

It's melee BM right now.

[keen spruce]

eh

with flag and 4 set

[strange python]

And outlaw is super straight forward, it's just fast.

[gaunt moat]

I find sub impossible to play. somehting's wrong with my brain.

[fossil garnet]

same

[keen spruce]

sub has some hinkey mechanics now

[fossil garnet]

too many buttons for me

[keen spruce]

yeah i ran outta binds

i had to take smoke bomb off my bars

[fossil garnet]

I see 1-2 too many binds and say fuck it and go back to sin every tier

[gaunt moat]

it's like.. i hate the shadow dance windows.
i get stressed by them.

[fossil garnet]

I slam the keys during dance

prob just better for keyboard if I play sin

dance=huge dam=gotta slam those buttons

[gaunt moat]

hah yeah something like that.
sin is calmer, you vanish.. you garrote, you DM... back to rotation.

[fossil garnet]

nah but Im pretty hapy with sin now

escept for the cringe 6.30 timer on rashok

like, let me x a bit more

[gaunt moat]

yeah, that';s a bit stressful cause you kinda send DMs the moment they're up

[fossil garnet]

yea but I do like that it makes the rotation a little more interactive

(for the first 10 pulls ofc)

btw any thoughts on sin in m+?

Im not getting invited so cant really tell

[craggy oak]

garbage and boring

[fossil garnet]

wish fok did more

like reliably gave cps

or did dmg

[craggy oak]

atm ic jsut makes sin sub 2.o but does less dmg

[fossil garnet]

and st is boring af with that build

been cooking on basically going full st build during tyrann

[craggy oak]

idk rogue in gutter sin supper cope hanging onto the 10.1.5 changes dream, even sub kinda ass atm jsut tuned quite nicely, both specs need looking at, sin more so, outlaw seems fine

[craggy oak]

basically a greif, even tyrancial aoe matters alot, but if you not doing high keys then its fine

[fossil garnet]

well sub can at least do both aoe and st in the aoe build

[craggy oak]

ye but dance not mattering because lingering shadows is a thing

[fossil garnet]

ah ye ofc

idk maybe outlaw is the play for now until sin feels better in m+

something just feels off

[craggy oak]

doing no dmg and a dot spec not caring about dots after ic, sumin off there

[fossil garnet]

guess it feels better in higher keys where you get better line ups for ic

just timing wise

[craggy oak]

^^

[grim jay]

Wild

[grim jay]

Gotta wait and see how and if that will change. It just lacks some stuff to really feel good in m+

Isnt even much that would be needed to feel decently enjoyable

[craggy oak]

whats wild about it

[wind condor]

THEY HEARD MY CRIES

LETS FUCKING GOO9OOOOOOOOO

the "space spot" isnt the size of a penny now

hella room

[drifting cloud]

thats a big nerf this early

[thin gate]

guys

is it true that assa is playable with close to 0 haste?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thin gate]

so we just go crit=mastery>vers?

[balmy condor]

What

Being playable doesn’t mean haste is bad

[thin gate]

or how do we fill the stats then

[craggy oak]

crit mastery haste vers

[thin gate]

im ~17% rn on howling runes

[craggy oak]

but do what robot tells you

[thin gate]

yhh

[balmy condor]

Ye

[craggy oak]

there is no magic number

[thin gate]

no i thought some nieche came up in a talk be4

[craggy oak]

unless you are bis geared

[balmy condor]

17% haste is a ton tbh

[craggy oak]

people in dsic can not possible say what stats are best for you

even whispyr with his nerd powers and magic crystal ball

[balmy condor]

I got a pretty good idea :P

But yeh

Micro optimizations ain’t it

[vapid sierra]

i just got bomb in a heroic pug

but like i feel bad taking it

its only 0.5%

[thin gate]

take it

[vapid sierra]

compared to like 3/4% of someone else

[thin gate]

always

its a pug

u think people would g a f?

[shut owl]

bomb is nutty

[thin gate]

people roll on items they have in pugs

[vapid sierra]

the issue is the second highest roll is my friend

[whole mason]

Oh, shadow!

[vapid sierra]

i already have call to suffering and beacon

[drifting cloud]

ok? then give him the trinket why you asking us

[whole mason]

is current sim updated with the buff?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[whole mason]

thanks

[shut owl]

finally checked out analyzer for sin; this is juicy o-o

[wind condor]

haste was actually big for me

seal of unquestionalble loyalties was a 900dps gain over eggnog ring

because i was at like 2% lol

[digital mica]

Sepsis no exsang back?

[shut owl]

check the pins, but yes

[tacit otter]

more like exsang gone

[keen spruce]

yeah once you have a lot of crit and mast

sims like haste

but like not 18% normally

[drifting cloud]

its also eggnog ring, probably loses to any 441 ring, maybe not some 1k vers one

[keen spruce]

my sims yeeted eggnog very quickly

shadowflame wreathe just very hotdog water

[balmy condor]

Post aura buff Shadowflame wreathe is basically dead tbh

It was very minor for people beforehand

Probably next to nothing now

No point in getting it

[minor gate]

What enchant are we using now

[tawdry cobalt]

is there a WA to track the sephsis buffs?

[minor gate]

Sophic?

[balmy condor]

Yep still sophic

[tawdry cobalt]

do mutilates use the buff?

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Lot of people use https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[balmy condor]

Is mutilate a stealth ability

[minor gate]

Another week another echo kill

Another shammy class trinket

At least I can now make the armour patch

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-donald-duck-swimming-in-money-gold-coins-gif-16654576

[tacit otter]

so youre saying i can use sap??

[tawdry cobalt]

lol i thought i saw mutilate using the buff and was confused. ty for the WA

[balmy condor]

Yea, you could

[tacit otter]

oh actually? i was trying to troll

2x

[gilded oasis]

should pick pocket actually

[gusty mirage]

can snag up those crimson vial buffs

[ruby birch]

boss got neutered

25 yards of space outta nowhere

more

with this change you might be able to do every set without double stacking

[thick sail]

@balmy condor your WA is great. Huge thumbs up

[tawdry cobalt]

@balmy condor I'm pretty sure mutilate is using the sephsis buff

unless the WA is just wrong

[woeful meteor]

Is ambush on your mutilate button i stealth bar?

[gilded oasis]

are you sure you dont have ambush on your stealth bar and when it swaps over you are thinking you are using mutilate but you are actually using ambush

[tawdry cobalt]

oof

[gusty mirage]

actual insanity

did you see the changes to the shatter

Fixed an issue where Neltharion immediately melee his target after casting Calamitous Strike on all difficulties.

Added a slight delay before the same player can trigger an additional stack of Shatter after destroying Twisted Earth on all difficulties.

Volcanic Heart’s radius reduced from 25 yards to 20 yards on Mythic difficulty.```

[ruby birch]

o well boss been dead for us

we in p3 sark now

soon freedom

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage they nerfed echo so grey could kill it

prove me wrong

qwik was feeling sorry for tmsean

[grim tangle]

well qwik's guild is also on echo

[oak sky]

used to be ion now its qwik

[ruby birch]

wait

did they just nerf it

oh

echo

i thought that was sark for some reason

[gusty mirage]

can he feel sorry for me

[gusty mirage]

gray isn't on sark

[drifting cloud]

they are now!

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you it’s not

[drifting cloud]

as per usual the timing big suck for my guild

gonna lose even more wrs even tho we kill boss under 100 pulls prenerf unluck

unless we kill sark in 3 raids

[still leaf]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[peak bobcat]

Do we hold one of our shivs for sepsis?

[keen spruce]

you want at least one yeah

i normally just float one stack

don't hit 2

and dump both in sepsis as long as i'll have one for deathmark

[peak bobcat]

Yeah I’d never overcap that’s cring

[keen spruce]

and dump the remaining at the end of the fight

idk if optimal

[still leaf]

when do you normally use stepsis in rotation? been thinking about actually learning it

[keen spruce]

but good enough for me

on CD

[keen spruce]

in the opener after gar->snd->mut->mut->rupture

then on cooldown

after that

[still leaf]

oh ok so just like bonespike?

[shut owl]

slightly more nuanced than bonespike; but yes, send it

also makes for a juicy button to slam on fortified week for having empowered garrotes on every IC no matter how cursed your tank's pulling style is

is it optimal for m+? no; but its fun

[still leaf]

honestly i was thinking about trying the ap/ic build anyway since most of my keys are just 10-15s with friends messing around

cant be that much worse can it?

[shut owl]

I'd imagine its probably in whispyrs sims somewhere

[thorn fjord]

Don’t make the mistake I made and make sure to have mutilate on your stealth bar

[shut owl]

yeah... had to do a lot of reconfiguring of my bars to add mutilate for raid and fok/ct for m+ stealth bars lol

[still leaf]

oh you wouldnt just use ambush or something? thought it was just filler, easy change though

[shut owl]

when I swapped off of sepsis-exsang I failed to realize I still had garrote where my mut was in my stealth bar. completely overwrote my emp gar like 3 times on prog attempts before realizing wtf was going on

[keen spruce]

[shut owl]

pins/faq have a good how-to/why

[thorn fjord]

You want to refresh your improved garrotes so when the sepsis buff comes up youll still want to continue as usual to try and get pand on imp gar

[still leaf]

yep i should really go over them again, and im also realizing im probably overwriting my empowered garrote by garroting again out of stealth in opener

[shut owl]

notter's and zugthug's sepsis WA's are super handy for it

added zug's bars on top of seli's bars for buff timers; then just used the color coding of notter's since it helps me make sure that I use blindside without accidently using the sepsis proc

[keen spruce]

whispyr's afenar edit w/e pack has a sepsis tracker and empowered garrote tracker

[still leaf]

oh so just to be clear, garroting from stealth in opener and then immediately garroting again out of stealth isnt screwing it over?

[keen spruce]

i mean don't do that

but also it's not messing you up

cuz of subterfuge

[still leaf]

i should probably just read the opener in pins honestly

[shut owl]

yes

[keen spruce]

it's messing you up cuz you're wasting a global lol

yes pins

[shut owl]

if we weren't using sepsis it would be close enough to not matter

[keen spruce]

w/o sepsis you'd vanish in the opener anyways

[shut owl]

yeah

[keen spruce]

and probably still wouldn't need to double garrote

[shut owl]

you don't need to

[keen spruce]

basically the 6 extra seconds from double garroting isn't worth the gobal being used on something else

[shut owl]

but it made the exsang opener slightly more chill

[keen spruce]

but it's not that big of a deal

either way

yeah with exang you did cuz exang is cringe

and those 6 seconds do mater lol

[shut owl]

yeah

well; if you cared about the vanish reset post-DM lineup

but thats old tech now

may it lie in the ground

[still leaf]

huh

[thorn fjord]

What takes prio if you’re in a situation where sepsis and vanish are available?

Assuming the sepsis

[shut owl]

sepsis

[still leaf]

so you only double garrote and rupture if your using exang?

[shut owl]

we don't run exsang

its bugged

pins

[keen spruce]

they should never overlap

except on mythic sark if you hold after p1

cuz sepsis comes up right as he phases and it's cringe

[still leaf]

well yeah i know its bugged but thats where i saw it initially when i orginally joined before everyone knew it was bugged

[thorn fjord]

I’ve had some instances where I’ve fucked up and I’m in that situation

[keen spruce]

i'd just sepsis then yeah

cuz if you're already desync'd

then you can just keep vanish in your back pocket as a defensive or somethin

or just use it near when the boss is dying for some extra emp garrote time

[shut owl]

sark is a cursed boss for me. I wind up spending 99% of my time just running bombs on repeat because people fuck it up and I have to scramble

I don't think I've parsed higher than a 20 =.=

[still leaf]

ive seen ranged just stare at bombs and have to run over to them as melee

i think theyre scared of doing them or have no idea or just to lazy to

[shut owl]

I think next week I'm just gonna see if anyone notices me going down nonstop to float the 50% haste. just see what happens 😛

[keen spruce]

i ignore them

if i die i die

if i'm not parsin, no one parsin

pretty sure goin down intentionally isn't worth

just too much downtime

for rogue

[shut owl]

yeah; but you don't need to gather 10 each time if you just stand in bad the entire fight and never lose your buff

I floated the buff for 4 bombs in a row and was surprisingly doing damage

[keen spruce]

[still leaf]

ohh i see you used to double/triple garrote rupture to extend duration for exsang, i just did it out of habit and forgot why

[shut owl]

just grab orb, go down, immediately come back up after grabbing one orb and the circles

[keen spruce]

sark cursed

[still leaf]

every time i go down for bombs on sark i just mentally prepare myself to get flung of the edge or watch another bomb go off

still a fun fight compared to the normal stuff, but it feels scuffed

[shut owl]

please, I don't wanna hear it. actually I do apparently

[agile osprey]

I just wanna know how some dude dropped like 149k on heroic magma. I felt like I played super clean and I ended in the 130s

[tacit otter]

hey thats me:))

[still leaf]

also another question i have, is having 50% mastery and only 30% crit screwing me?

[shut owl]

isn't 2:30 like... damn near optimal killtime?

[tacit otter]

it was yeah, got really lucky on that + pi lol

[agile osprey]

Regardless of pi nice pull dude

I was enviously combing your log and the best I came up with is I need to crit more

[shut owl]

skill issue. hit your keys harder, it makes you crit more

[tacit otter]

i played sepsis since it was first named on the 15th or smth, so i got the rotation down quite okey

[shut owl]

if you aren't critting enough, your keyboard doesn't fear you enough

[agile osprey]

I think I had the wrong song on

Harder drops for more crit

[agile osprey]

Yeah tbh I think I’m wasting uptime on empowered garrotes. Do you end up refreshing 3 times from the opener? As in g1 from stealth, g2 first part of sepsis, g3 last part of sepsis while g2 in pandemic?

Or am I overthinking this?

[tacit otter]

yeah you wanna use both sepsis buffs, you can look in the log to see my opener. i dont even remember anymore if it was clean (but must've been i guess)

[shut owl]

yeah, you're thinking it right mook

its just getting used to dragging that sepsis buff for the last one as long as possible that makes a big diff

[tacit otter]

i reapplied my first normal garrote at 47 secs

[agile osprey]

Wild. Sepsis is actually so much fun to play around.

Just really gotta pay attention to not refreshing the spicy garrotes with mild garrotes

[shut owl]

its why I've got an m+ sepsis build XD ignore the sin of losing IW/SS for doom+sepsis tho

[agile osprey]

Couldn’t pay me to do this in keys when I got black powder around the corner

Ass is a thinking man’s spec

I’m mentally a fury warrior

[shut owl]

yo, we've moved up from F to bottom of D tier on subcreation. we're totally meta now

[agile osprey]

I just hope something next tier will outclass boon

I’m tired of saving defensives for that trinket

[tacit otter]

i have it on mythic and i cant be bothered to play with it

f that trinket, the sooner its gone the better

[agile osprey]

I just can’t pass up the damage

Boon giveth, boon taketh

[tacit otter]

as long as i do enough dmg for my weeklies 21/22 i wont tortue myself playing that

and when its time to push keys theres other trinkets getting close so easy

[shut owl]

I thought boon was replaceable by BiS this season 😛

[still leaf]

is boon actually a good option over current tier trinkets for m+? i have a hero ilvl one just sitting in my inv

[spice spire]

Yes

[tacit otter]

on mythic its like - 0.3% (dont quote me on that) worse than bis

[still leaf]

damn i guess time to use it again then, assuming itd prob take puzzle boxes place over dice

[shut owl]

it does depend on the keys you're running though

[agile osprey]

It’s also depends on how the tank pulls

[shut owl]

if you're overkilling small pulls on it its not worth the hassle imo

[agile osprey]

^

[shut owl]

but if you're cranking with your friends and lusting on a mega-pull trash openers, sure

[agile osprey]

I don’t think it really needs to be mega. Correct me if I’m wrong but against 5+ targets mythic boon is ahead

So semi regular double pulls and it would theoretically be worth

[keen spruce]

i just did a 21 freehold with no affixes

[shut owl]

yeah some of the keys didn't get hotfixed

was very jealous of them lol

[keen spruce]

ig one of the bugged keys from yesterday slipped through the cracks

they don't give score

but still upgraded

[shut owl]

lol

[keen spruce]

kinda fun tbh

jsut a natty fat freehold

didn't even have tyran lol

[spice spire]

Push week

[agile osprey]

Does the damage scaling still exist in those keys?

[shut owl]

not push week if you don't get io lol

[keen spruce]

yeah mob health and damage still scaled

just a no affix 21

[spice spire]

It begs the ultimate question

“Whatcha pushin’ bud?”

[keen spruce]

i'm just doin +20 to +22 fh until i get dice

[spice spire]

[shut owl]

pushin sin to the top of D tier on subcreation thats what

[keen spruce]

ive had 3 of thsee drop

all socketed

but no goddamn dice

[agile osprey]

My dice just prevented me from getting a beacon

[keen spruce]

my dice will be replacing beacon

[shut owl]

I went 5 weeks without trinkets at all lol

[agile osprey]

Yeah dice sims better for me too….but I still want bacon

For reasons

[keen spruce]

welcome to the cursed raidbots club mook

now there are 2 of us

[shut owl]

I think my guild legit forgot I could do damage if I finally get tier/trinkets, rather than having everyone's alts come and snipe every trinket and tier piece in pugs lol

[agile osprey]

I tried so hard to make the nelth trinket sim better

Couldn’t do it

[keen spruce]

oh nelth still ahead by like 400dps for me

[agile osprey]

Dice enthusiasts rejoice

[keen spruce]

but i can't farm that

and it's proc rate is weirdge

[agile osprey]

Luckily I did snag 447 dice early though

[keen spruce]

phat

i'm waiting until the fragment sims are fixed so i can hope that they're not as bad as we thought

[shut owl]

I'm running incarn icon still t-t

[spice spire]

Imagine not having the socketed 447

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

My gear is only lightly shit atm

Replace 437 dice

[agile osprey]

I should probably do my rep this week so I can get rid of my slimy boots

[spice spire]

And I’m cooking

[agile osprey]

Let’s all just be happy that we aren’t farming faulty countermeasures again

[cunning nest]

Dito 😅

[shut owl]

all my friends have ditched theirs though, so its... not so hot anymore XD