assassination

[onyx crane]

head has haste versa I guess thats not as good as crit mastery

[gusty mirage]

Which is the bigger ilvl gain for you

Cause you’ll upgrade it to 441 either way

[balmy condor]

Logs have a boss damage difference between sub and Assassination of less than 1k, and if your gear is optimized for sub, you’re more comfortable with sub, just doesn’t make sense to swap

[lucid mirage]

Gotcha. I feel like I'm scrambling to get damage out since our adds are dying so gast, but if it's that close I've been playing sub more this season so I'll stick

[onyx crane]

well my rogue is a bit on the back burner atm and it was nm gear

[gusty mirage]

If it’s similar ilvl upgrade for both slots just go pants

[balmy condor]

Your pants are an upgrade can I take them

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[onyx crane]

what is this? chobits?

[balmy condor]

No idea

Just an emote I have I guess

195 discord servers will do that

[onyx crane]

https://tenor.com/view/pantsu-pantsu-misete-brook-pantsu-brook-one-piece-one-piece-gif-19998616

this looks more like you irl :3

[balmy condor]

Damn

I am that white though

My teeth are the darkest part of me

[remote oak]

Anyone have the link to the hotfix with 5% buff

[balmy condor]

It’s on wowhead with weekly tuning

[vocal oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[safe wigeon]

guys whats the new build?

[balmy condor]

Gonna need a bit more than that

[onyx crane]

what is the new build for M+

[balmy condor]

There’s a new build that’s like a couple weeks old, and an old build that people are deciding is okay now

In m+ it’s just AP/IC with cold blood

[safe wigeon]

where can i find it?

[sweet dawn]

Zamn IC/AP stonks

[safe wigeon]

and what is the stats for assassin in season 2?

[vocal oracle]

crit/mastery

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah let’s call it that

[glass skiff]

Hello i'm tryin assa spec but i feel like have always 0 energy is this normal ?

[balmy condor]

Received 0 changes in 6 months, HOLY NEW BUILD LOGIN?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[limber lion]

Do you have poisons applied on your weapons :)

[sweet dawn]

5% buff new build ?!
!?!?!

[balmy condor]

It ain’t even the buff

[glass skiff]

ofc

[royal lantern]

0 changes? hello?? they removed kingsbane, that was a change

[balmy condor]

Yeah that was mid January you got me

Not fully 6 months

[royal lantern]

[vocal oracle]

in the AP / IC w/CB what do you suggest dropping for CB?

[sweet dawn]

And they changed exsang like they said they would... right? (I have been in a coma since January)

[balmy condor]

ER

[vestal wren]

LOGIN QUICK

[glass skiff]

And How much dps do u have on ur opener ? because on sub i was at 250k and on assa i can't go over 150

[royal lantern]

you realise that sectech hits hard, while assa is more about having stuff running all the time

lol

[limber lion]

Opener dps doesn't matter at all my guy

[balmy condor]

ITS JUST AS GOOD AS IT WAS IN 10.0 BUT NOW THE SIM HAS A HIGHER NUMBER

GO GO GO

[royal lantern]

and yeha

opener dps is a meme lol

[vocal oracle]

how is boss damage with the AP/IC build? it seems like it would be low AF

[limber lion]

Not super good, but then again neither is DTB

DTB is surely more, but it's not a super duper mega big downgrade

I tried the IC/AP build and honestly didn't like it. The concept of CB + AP Shiv is fun, but that's all it is

[vocal oracle]

yeah, was thinking the same

[limber lion]

Not having Dashing or PB to fish for in AoE felt kinda bad to me

[tacit otter]

in m+ i feel like it doesnt matter which build you play, it only matters if you get 2 sets of cds into the boss

[vocal oracle]

ive been playing DTB / IC with exsang and its been alright...might play a different build to get some more ST on bosses

[dawn kelp]

omg were so back

[limber lion]

DTB / IC is pretty much as much ST as you can get without completely destroying your AOE

[balmy condor]

Whatever you were doing with dtb, and then remove about 10%

[keen spruce]

31

[drifting cloud]

its an extend tier and wasnt easy to be 41 before this weeks spark

as an annulet class

[royal lantern]

less dps then the 64 warlock

equal then the surv hunter, a spec everyone cries that it needs buffs

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

blizzard HATES warlock because some shity 3polygon demon modle nobody uses gets removed man

you dont get it

[keen spruce]

to be fair

warlocks have a big hardon for 2 target

[storm forum]

for cb what do we give up in the class tree?

[proper tapir]

If you like it, play it. If you don't then don't.

#1065730164077645916 message

[storm forum]

oh thanks

[proper tapir]

I was taking from ER/RC to get CB, good luck taking from tea with seal fate being where it is

[limber lion]

ER and RC

[dusty frost]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[safe wigeon]

thanks

[austere fulcrum]

U rhn slimy boots for any specific reason ?

Gz on logs btw^^

[proper tapir]

See I feel the opposite, I never liked fishing for PB - it doesn't feel good when mobs are spread or when it doesn't proc. I like the focus on something I know will hit and hit all the mobs even when moving. Also sure, Dashing is great for a passive bonus, but honestly so is Zoldyck. DTB pathing is too focus on procs and crit procs for me to really like it.

[keen spruce]

cuz i crafted them first

and i don't have a spark to swap them yet

[limber lion]

"I like the focus on something I know will hit all mobs" except Envenom only hits one target. That's why PB fishing is good, because you have an AOE ability to press and fish for. Pressing Envenom on AoE and only hitting one mob doesn't feel as rewarding to me as slamming down an Envenom that procs a PB.

[forest chasm]

i believe in this build u slam CT

i could be wrong though

[limber lion]

And I'm not talking about Dashing in terms of damage, I'm talking in terms of gameplay. It just feels more smooth playing Assa in single target with Dashing than it is without. But that's just my opinion.

[limber lion]

Yeah you spam CT, but I'm personally not a big CT spam fan

I like maintaining CT and Envenom PB fishing more than spamming 2 buttons over and over

[forest chasm]

ah, yeah that is fair

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruceWish i could do that, but we use the strat where we stop DPS 🥲

[keen spruce]

i wasn't here for the prog kill so i just show up and smack stuff

[proud basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[blazing jewel]

Do we have a % gain that sin gets in execute

I know blindside is rng but an average %

[royal lantern]

i mean

zoldyck....?

[blazing jewel]

My bad should have said with the sepsis exsang build

So 2/3 zoldyck with blindside

[thin scroll]

goin ass spec rn looks so tempting, even if just for 1min sprint and 2 charges shadow step lol

[royal lantern]

[thin scroll]

would you guys say the rotation is harder to learn than sub?

[royal lantern]

how do you guys all now just appear and suddenly think assa is gonna be insane lol

when it litearlly makes no difference

[thin scroll]

I didnt say that?

I just talked about the mobility

[proper tapir]

Yeah, it's probably harder than sub

[thin scroll]

hmmm took me a while to learn sub

[proper tapir]

Yeah, the mobility is nice

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats a big+, cus blizz decided 1min sprint cd and 2 steps is talents lmao

sub mobility is SO fking bad in DF

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis rotation is a little goofy but it’s fun to play

[royal lantern]

unless you use vanish for it

sub mobility is 1 of the worst in the game rn

[thin scroll]

I kinda always liked dots so I might give it a go next raid night

is dmg much behind in M+?

if its competitive, the utility seems much better than sub

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

definitley behind in m+

[thin scroll]

sadge, I wanted aoe rage purge so bad

[proper tapir]

It sounds more romantic than it is

[thin scroll]

Im sure that with it my IO would jump up by 1k copium

[runic hinge]

The thing is when you have AP its a large part of your damage to have it going so saving a shiv charge for raging isn't worth

[thin scroll]

ohhh I see, makes sense

[proper tapir]

Yeah my healer said, "Merk, do you have a reliable soothe?" and I was like, "No, I'm Sin"

Shiv is a damage CD for us

[royal lantern]

and like

[thin scroll]

lol

[royal lantern]

its 25sec cd

other soothes are 10-15sec

rogue is no primary sooth

[thin scroll]

as sub I use that to get into groups, but I doubt I do much difference

[frigid kestrel]

25/2 = 12.5 Rogue has reliable AOE Soothe. Mandatory in every key ever all the time

Most meta class ever

[proper tapir]

Now if only we can get a streamer to say that. We need someone who is popular and doesn't really understand shiv..... Who could we find, hmmmm

[royal lantern]

DR.Atnos?

[fossil eagle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Sad part is he's 10x more on the ball than tettles

[balmy condor]

Do not

[royal lantern]

invoke the name?

[blazing jewel]

Dratnos chest hair has me like

[balmy condor]

Peyton and the Doctor have burnt one too many tier lists

[gusty mirage]

Bro?

[blazing jewel]

What

Is it wrong to have taste

[keen spruce]

don't say taste to describe chest hair

[thin scroll]

I wont kink shame but that wasnt what I was expecting here

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

Spoken like a man who hasn’t seen mine

Just saying

[misty holly]

It's like no one in this chat has seen Burt Reynolds without a shirt. Chest hair def top tier.

[ember mural]

what i would give for just a crumb of oxi chest hair

[next arch]

So im setting up plater, and have filtered out, crippling poison, but its still showing up above the enemy, is there a second instance of the spell I might be missing'

is the applied debuff ID different to the buff given to us

[thin scroll]

might be tracking cause its a slow

[next arch]

it was this.

[spice spire]

Don’t you ever slander the good doctor like that. Consequence alum

[oak sky]

the good doctor?

🐟 I AM A STURGEON

[balmy condor]

That’s the wrong doctor

[spice spire]

Fun fact, dr. Atnos is actually just PA.tnos. He never finished his fellow shop :/

[woeful meteor]

I cant remember anymore how cooked was their tier list for aberrus

[deft flicker]

Cooked to perfection 🤌

[woeful meteor]

wtf is this

[storm forum]

the CB build i was shown didnt have iron wire and it really fucked with me. I actually had to press my kick button it was weird

that looks like the silly tettles and co thing

presumably made with 0 input by anyone who plays rogue

[woeful meteor]

Arms = Fury, Rogue Specs reversed or all 1 Tier, Devoker not S xdd

it is

[storm forum]

tier list

its called a tier list

wow my brain is dead today

[dusky garnet]

hello, I am new to assa and learning the rotation through the faq but have a question about sepsis. It says for the 2nd half of sepsis (when it fades) I am to "HOLD as long as possible in order to extend the first garrote." Does this mean I pool energy then consume sepsis stealth buff on garrote or is it fine to just garrote right after sepsis fades?

[balmy condor]

The second garrote you get, when sepsis fades, should be held as long as possible. The buff itself is 10 seconds, so it allows for more uptime on improved garrote by waiting with the buff

[cerulean walrus]

I AM

I AAMMMMM

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-cuando-spinning-fish-gif-20093574

[teal iris]

who made this abomination

[cerulean walrus]

You know… it seems fitting that the two specs that have some random dipshit hiding in the leaves as their icon are right next to one another

[keen spruce]

You can use other non-stealth abilities without consuming the sepsis buff. So you hold the 2nd part as long as possible while using your normal rotation.

[cerulean walrus]

Good tier list

[grim jay]

Weird take

[grim jay]

Its bad as always

[cerulean walrus]

Two clowns in a bush

[cerulean walrus]

Dude actually thinks I agree with the list

[naive hamlet]

Tier lists are just opinions anyways

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

considering sin is a burst class

how parce dependent are we on fight timer?

like wouldnt it make a big difference if a boss dies before your second dm in comparison to like right after it?

[oak sky]

you want it after the nature buff expires

~45s after dm

[keen spruce]

“Sin is a burst class”

Compared to outlaw maybe

[cerulean walrus]

Sin is absolutely not a burst spec

Rogue in general is not a burst class

[spice surge]

Pretty sure sin is like exactly middle of the pack in terms of burst VS sustained compared to other classes

Guess sepsis made it burstier

[balmy condor]

sepsis didn't affect the burst in any significant way

sepsis itself doesn't actually do that much damage

if anything sepsis smooths out the damage profile because of how much uptime you get on imp gar

[storm forum]

will taking KB make us more or less bursty?

[royal lantern]

more in theory

in reality taking KB makes you worse

[storm forum]

[balmy condor]

KB is bursty

[cerulean walrus]

KB makes you burst

Yourself

[storm forum]

im taking KB and asking for PI

so i can pretend i do damage

[proper tapir]

Then take exsang too

[storm forum]

i didnt realize it was an option not to take exang

[proper tapir]

Most of the talents are choices, except for shiv and deadly poison

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

it's always an option

even when it's not an option it's an option

just unclick it

be free

[storm forum]

but i like exang

[royal lantern]

no you dont

[storm forum]

i thought about it

and i think i do like it

its a button to think about and i like thinking about buttons

[scenic horizon]

I like Exsang because I've forced myself to, and now I can't remember the joy of playing before exsang, those treasured memories are gone.

[royal lantern]

thats the best way to describe it lmao

[storm forum]

i might have brainwashed myself into liking it back in nyalotha oops

[oak sky]

big number good

[keen spruce]

I liked it in like Uldir cuz it was new and different and I didn't know wtf was going on

[crystal crystal]

Is it just me or is Flaring Cowl + Eranog ring (even at just heroic) like, really damn close to a crafted piece with toxic patch? (With slimy boots) I'm simming, trying to do the closest apples to apples comparison I can figure out, and they're within .1% for both patchwerk and dungeon slice. I was under the impression the toxic patch would be a more clearcut winner

[balmy condor]

it depends a lot on your replacement helm/rings you have available

but given all things equal and decent 441 gear to replace any given slot

it should be a blow out

[crystal crystal]

Yeah it's with a 437 tier helm and 441 bloodied wedding ring (vers/mast... not the best, but it's all I have atm). I was just shocked at how well a 408 ring held up in these sims

[drifting cloud]

can you link the sim? it shouldnt be that close

[violet talon]

Does your Cowl and Eranog ring each have a socket? Each socket seems worth around 400-500 dps from my experience. Could explain why it isn't seeming like a blowout

But even so, the toxic patch and ilvl should be a clear winner in pretty much any situation

[crystal crystal]

Yeah the Eranog ring does have a socket, but the comparison gearset with an upgraded Flaring Cowl that I used is sans socket. Here's the dungeon slice:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v674rxYxPGDoU8xK61Uqj5

Threw in one gearset with Cowl + Lariat just to see, and it's "only" .6% back. :\ Tried to keep ilvls equal on given slots, but maybe I screwed something up?

Here's the patchwerk sim with the same gearsets (patch is .4% ahead, but again, I guess I was expecting a more substantial gain):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hZyNNXWS9Dp6SBd1r5vKzr

[balmy condor]

oh

so it's behind then

yeah that's normal

embellishments themselves are like 3-4% better than an equally statted non-embellished item

so "only" being 0.6% or 0.4%

is like

10%-15% better comparing one embellish to another

[drifting cloud]

in your sim youre upgrading cowl to 437, but youre not upgrading toxic

so you lose t he socket on the helm but gain 16 ilvl? then belt stays same

[balmy condor]

yeh

[crystal crystal]

Right but the way I'm looking at it, 437 cowl + 437 slimy (and 424 regular belt), compared to 437 tier helm + 437 slimy + 424 belt with toxic patch (plus the big jump to a 441 non-eranog ring). That seemed to be the most apples to apples comparison of the relative value of the embellishments, no?

[random arrow]

Hello all
i read the pins and went over faq, did a search and all but just wanted to understand
am i actively gimping my team if i play assassination in mythics and raids? im new to it but like the idea more
just curious, apologies

[drifting cloud]

I mean sure .. but you dont actually have those items and now youre throwing tier set into the mix same time as well

the whole point is youre also gaining ilvl same time

[crystal crystal]

Yeah I assumed 4-pc in all three of the theoreticals, just to maintain consistency. I'll have it soon enough, so figured that made the most sense

[drifting cloud]

youre just gaining way more because youre not actually going to make a 437 cowl, but you will make a 437 toxic belt

and theres probably alot of better rings out there aswell which then make the difference even slightly biger

[keen spruce]

it's pretty okay atm. very underrepresented because sub and outlaw kinda just do rogue better in all content. I wouldn't say gimping in raid. it could be arguable in m+ but depends on what level you're playin at.

[drifting cosmos]

zerocool gonna show us how to play sin in M+

[random arrow]

alright maybe ill try dabbling but try sub a bit, be a bit of a meta slave

also i usually just do low mythics to like normal raids so maybe im wrong

[crystal crystal]

Well that's the rub, because I'm deciding what to use my spark on... the cowl or toxic belt. So I could make either. 🙂 You're right, there are better rings. But if that's what it takes to make patch more clearly better than cowl+heroic eranog ring, then I misunderstood the relative value of the toxic patch

[drifting cloud]

your top sim doesnt use the spark on the belt, you left it at 424 and its still winning

[crystal crystal]

True, but the other set it's barely winning against has a 424 belt. Tried to keep ilvls even

So the only variable was the embellishments

[drifting cloud]

but theyre not the only variable

thats the whole point thats why toxic wins because your eranog ring is capped other than pugging a mythic with a socket, and then you can also upgrade your tier slots from vault but you cant upgrade your old 2p

only reason cowl was okay is because it enabled the ring

youre just overthinking this, do not use a spark on cowl

[crystal crystal]

lol, I think that's a fair assessment. 😵‍💫 I'm still not exactly sure where my logic failed on these sims, but I appreciate the dialogue. I'll take the plunge on the patch

[drifting cloud]

I get the logic, its just not really a realistic scenario if our endgoal is to make the total sim number highest as possible this week with 1 spark and gear in bags (assuming the 4p is in your bags?)

yeah its close, but the gap just increases overtime with vault socket/more sparks

[crystal crystal]

Sadly no 4p yet. One piece away. I assume I'll get it in the next week or two (I guess two for sure with the catalyst activating).

[slate scarab]

I swapped to sub because it's just so much stronger in M+ right now (my performance immediately improved even though I'm much better at playing Sin, relative for me of course, I'm very mediocre), but I want to play Sin so much more. Disappointed the buff they have been working on all this time is 5% to ability damage. What will that turn out to be, like 3% total damage boost or something? Just feels very underwhelming.

[random arrow]

in the pins it listed it as a 4 percent overall by the looks of it

[slate scarab]

Thanks, I'll check the pins. I was just doing a rough estimate.

[rancid blaze]

What's the best phial to use?

[balmy condor]

corrupting ice can be okay, but typically would want to just take tepid vers and call it a day

[crystal crystal]

Is Elemental Chaos no longer in the mix?

[balmy condor]

I mean it can be

but it's just slightly worse tepid vers with rng and no consistent vers DR

and it still costs more on AH I think too

so seems like a pretty braindead pick imo

[dusk summit]

Hey whats the best place to craft and put the toxified patch on?

[civic creek]

Uhhh 🤯
Unreal assassination buff coming soon, 5 percent for all abilities. Unbelievable

[steel ridge]

Is that buff live already?

[placid ermine]

no

[steel ridge]

Sadge

Maybe i still play sin for the next boss regardless

[placid ermine]

so assa now sims good 3k ahead of other specs on st with this buff, wonder if its worth going it for few bosses

[cunning nest]

It's actually easy to Look it up your self. You can take a Quick sim or a encounter in the logs. Check out which damage sources are NOT abilities (=for me trinket, annulet sockets, emb and Auto Hits).
For me that Accounts to 22% of my damage, so its even a bit less than 4% gain for me. BUT: It's more in aoe of course. Also, it will be more an 4% the moment I switch out annulet in the future

[toxic night]

heey what does the toxified armor patch embelish actually do ?

[placid ermine]

double the effect of ur boots

[vestal wren]

with reset

[vestal wren]

doubles the damage of itmems that interact with it (boots or shoulders)

[placid ermine]

Fuu i have a request if possible

[vestal wren]

sure, what do you need

[placid ermine]

could we add Aoe/cleave spec single target dps to asssa spreadsheet?

just to see how much much st we lose when we need to spec into some aoe

like for example on echo, sub just changes 1 point into bp

[vestal wren]

oh sure, thats easy

[cunning nest]

I would like to see a comparison with All dps specs with that

[placid ermine]

yea but sub is just 1 talent point so it barely matters, you take it out of dark deeper daggers and you dont even change gameplay

altho it could be cool to see one in full aoe blast build

If i want to play both sub and assa, and i already crafted slimy boots, how much of a big deal it is for assa? Cuz i've seen thorns being preferred choice for assa

[vestal wren]

i think it isn't that easy

because a lot of trees have several aoe and st nodes

this is why it is easier for sub/outlaw they can quickly with little point change get aoe

i am also not entirely sure if the fights talked about are rly that good to sacrafice single target for aoe

[toxic night]

thank you !

[cunning nest]

yeah I don't say it's easy, because there are so many more factors. But I'd like to know how bad the situation exactly is

well.. we can look at assault statistic log I guess 😂

[vestal wren]

not sure if thats relevant for 3 target build

because it is rly bad

not sure i like it, but i think its okay for what you asked for @placid ermine

[obtuse ruin]

How is dungeon slice less dps than single target? Is that normal?

[vestal wren]

i am not sure if i shouldn't remove the "single target" from 3 target again, it is mostly just "its rly bad" (removed)

[vestal wren]

the fight style has downtime and onyl sims with limited raid buffs (bloodlust).

[sweet dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winter gale]

Its ok to be few ilvl under due to annulet I supose

?*

[vestal wren]

annulet is only one slot and its 424, it is perfectly fine to use it if it sims higher

[winter gale]

Good, good

[spiral mist]

wtf is the simulationcraft sim doing with talents?

[balmy condor]

Gonna need a bit more than that

[spiral mist]

no cut the chase f.e.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s a thing

[spiral mist]

huh xD

[vestal wren]

it can sim higher, depends on gear too

[balmy condor]

Sins so fast these days you drop cttc and don’t lose envenom uptime

Because 70% of the time you’re clipping envenom with like 4 seconds left anyway

[vestal wren]

refreshing snd isn't that big of a problem/effort.
I feel more that the problem is that you don't rly want to add more effort to maintainance

[balmy condor]

Is there other weird things happening or just that

[spiral mist]

nah just that
i simmed it myself and was suprised it pulled ahead by like 50 dps

[balmy condor]

Oh that’s within margin

It’s like 400 dps for me

[spiral mist]

well my rogue has dogshit gear so thats why its so low

[balmy condor]

Yep that explains it

[spiral mist]

another question regarding sims:
does it take execute into account?

[vestal wren]

it does

but you can configure the sim to never hit execute

[winter gale]

This 4% buff will not change builds or whatnot?

I had a good and instant switch to sepsis build 😄

[clever sapphire]

I mean why would it? Everything got buffed so everything stays the same

[vestal wren]

it can have a marginal impact on trinket and stat choice

but it buffs every ability equally, bigger changes come from when blizz does changes to specific parts like individual talents or spells

a good example was outlaw season 3/4 changes in SL

[storm onyx]

I dropped CoS ring by the buff, m+ ring i got beats it after tune. But its just a flat increase other than that. Ah ans some trinkets shuffle I take it

[supple snow]

at what ring lvl are we supposed to change annulet ? or better ask even start to sim

[vestal wren]

you need a quite good replacement for it to be worse

[storm onyx]

Think 2 rings beat it at max lvl depending on your gear. Annulet is quite strong

[supple snow]

I really thought that would change with the new ability dmg buff making stats matter more

Guess I was wrong

thanks guys

[storm onyx]

Don’t get hung on ilvl, dmg is the main determinator

[vestal wren]

i don't mind using annulet, it is also easy to farm if you are a new player

[storm onyx]

I was using 415 CoS ring until yesterday

[supple snow]

I have it. don't have a problem with it either, just wanted to know what to check / farm for

[vestal wren]

it would be inconvinient if you would need to spend a massive amount of time to get, but having a close to bis ring for ~1h of time investments is for me a good trade

btw. your assumption is also correct that stats will have higher impact with the buff

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eWujtoG3XpHznZfAYE9jew

it sims quite a bit worse, breakpoint will still depend on your gear

[supple snow]

amazing. thanks ^^

[forest chasm]

Hey, any news on when Fragment will be fixed in sims? I got it on 447 last week and kinda wanna know how my other choices stack up

idk how hard things like that are to fix

[winter gale]

Still rocking eranog+annulet

Havent played so many dungs due to irl work (tourism)

But I feel like I will get 2 bis ones from vault

😂

[forest chasm]

Yeah, ive seen those but it also matters what talents you use so just wanted to check in as its more effective with exsang than without.

[limber lion]

Yeah Frag performs better with Exsang and vice versa.

If Exsang is already the higher simming option without the frag, it 100% will be with frag as well

[scenic sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winter gale]

With this buff we will most likely be on par with sub?

[limber lion]

Better than Sub in single target, still worse in everything else

[deft flicker]

Better in class fantasy as well

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dark token]

Can someone explain why arms is equal/better than us but got bigger buffs 🤔

[vestal wren]

their buff seems to be about equal to ours

but there isn't much of a explenation

what blizz did was basically buff the bottom of the wcl chart

[civic creek]

Why I am always playing specs from the bottom of the list

[vestal wren]

could have played subtlety ^^

[burnt latch]

Yee their aura buffs like 3.5% + whatever little the rend + dw does

[verbal fox]

feels like some kind of pervertion.
Assa, arms, and feral my favorites

[burnt latch]

Yee their aura buffs like 3.5% + whatever little the rend + dw does

[fluid dust]

!whispyr

[vestal wren]

possible (discord is laggy atm, so hard to react fast)

[limber lion]

Facts

[vestal wren]

completely agree, i think tuning should consider spec design and strengths/weaknesses

but history, and this tier shows that tuning is not consistent with expectations

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

completely agree, i think tuning should consider spec design and strengths/weaknesses

[random arrow]

Kinda sucks because i dont mind sub or outlaw but really enjoy melee dots

[vestal wren]

i am not sure one spec needs to be in a specific potision

[woeful meteor]

Sod Sin Frost Set Enjoyers

[vestal wren]

*position

i am not sure one spec needs to be in a specific potision

[gusty mirage]

Assassination was good in sepulcher?

[woeful meteor]

Sod Sin Frost Set Enjoyers

[vestal wren]

I think it comes down to how raid design is approached

*position

[royal lantern]

yeham sure

[gusty mirage]

Ah yes, the damage to bosses copium

[vestal wren]

we had for 2 xpacs only one spec played in raiding (kinda), not sure i would want that to repeat

[gusty mirage]

Jailer was not the most difficult

[woeful meteor]

Sin was good in sofo but Jailer is more fight design with 1 min dmg amp on 1 min vendetta and not the spec being good

[royal lantern]

"meets anduin"

[gusty mirage]

Ah yes, the damage to bosses copium

How good was assassination on anduin?

For boss damage of course

[vestal wren]

i don't think any of the rogue specs was great in sepulcha

[gusty mirage]

All 3 were awful lmao

[vestal wren]

subtlety was played in the wfr because of eon, but that was it

[royal lantern]

"meets anduin"

[woeful meteor]

Messages getting resend like 3 times makes this so much funnier

[gusty mirage]

We had halondrus, rygelon and jailer to do decent at

We had halondrus, rygelon and jailer to do decent at

Okay discord you can stop sending everyone’s messages 85 times now

[copper hazel]

Discord servers having fun on a Sunday

[deft flicker]

True

Servers getting fried by people changing their names

[deft flicker]

True

[gusty mirage]

Considering that destro warlock existed the way it did, you didn’t need to make that decision in sepulcher

I would hardly call any rogue spec “good” in 9.2. Sub was a rng fiesta, assassination did solid ST but was useless in any cleave/aoe which were required in the majority of the fights that tier, and outlaw’s tier set didn’t even work

Sure you could cherry pick where assassination was “really good” but overall it was a miserable tier for rogue

Sure you could cherry pick where assassination was “really good” but overall it was a miserable tier for rogue

[hardy dagger]

On jailer Assa cranked boss dmg

So we had that going for us

[dark token]

Monk really needed buffs idk what chart that is but they are tied with sin st

[dark token]

Monk really needed buffs idk what chart that is but they are tied with sin st

[vestal wren]

overall graph wcl

[hardy dagger]

Sure then again having really good boss dmg on the last boss is a win in my book

[royal lantern]

also daily reminder that high on wowlogs boss dmg<------------>good boss dmg for specific fights, espacily when you need dmg during specific dmg windows 🙂

so you say that the spec is not good for those fights?

🙂

so you say that the spec is not good for those fights?

so you say that the spec is not good for those fights?

🙂

🙂

[earnest remnant]

this still haunts me, that i wasent able to yoink it from cev the assa overlord

[ember mural]

The triple message

[gusty mirage]

Only needed 10 externals

[sweet dawn]

Not gonna lie the M+ build in TC ain't half bad

[pure moth]

How was the outcome?

[sweet dawn]

Boss damage is not as low as I expected given that you give up DTB, and the boss timers being bad for sin, boss dps was already lower than like S priest and stuff that I play with (from my experience they die around 2 mins so it's either a waste to DM again or you just don't get a second one) and aoe is better (could be copium)

and especially this week the aoe sooth has been really nice

[limber lion]

Yeah reclears were something else. I kept getting PI without even requesting it.

Some guild rotational PI things

Also pretty sure that's like 4 PI's and 6 BF even though BF was completely utterly useless for Assa

[deft flicker]

BF??

[limber lion]

Benevolent Faerie

Priest's Night Fae ability

Reduced major cds

[deft flicker]

Ah, that one

[limber lion]

but in 9.2 we wanted to sync Flag + Vend + Vanish + Exsang and everything together

So getting cdr on Vendetta was kinda useless

You would just hold it for like 20s and wait for everything to come back up lol

I remember getting a r1 on Rygelon and less than a second of BF towards the end and it flagged the log as an external log

Good system

[delicate hemlock]

with 5% haste and full button mashing its normal that i run out of energy very quickly right? just trying stuff on dummy and once my deathmark expires my energy goes instantly in the bin and i have to chug through my teas to keep it going

[limber lion]

Yes, that is very normal

That's how Assassination plays

[delicate hemlock]

❤️

[limber lion]

High energy during cds, low energy outside of cds

[delicate hemlock]

gotcha

[limber lion]

It's about maintenance, planning and whatnot

Not so much nowadays, but something like that

[delicate hemlock]

honestly will be nice to go soak stuff without feeling like i gimp my dps haha

[limber lion]

Melees and poisons are still a big portion of your dps, so doing mechanics and completely stopping dps is still a big loss

But yeah I get it

If you can minimize energy capping and still do mechanics, you're probably chilling

[onyx crane]

do we still get slimy shoes?

[woeful meteor]

toxic thorn

[clever sapphire]

do we just macro cold blood to envenom on the AP + IC build from tc?

[limber lion]

No

You do not macro CB

[onyx crane]

wowhead says it's slimy boots over toxic

[limber lion]

Read the pins big guy

But yeah Wowhead might be a bit out of date

[clever sapphire]

hmm what do we use CB on?

[limber lion]

Whispyr has to maintain like 17 different websites, guides, faq's and whatnot

[clever sapphire]

thought its envenom

[limber lion]

In AoE you use it on Shiv and in ST you use it on Envenom

[onyx crane]

slacking, huh!?

[limber lion]

That's the entire point in AP + CB

[clever sapphire]

aaaaight

[onyx crane]

Gear Stuff
!whispyr has stuff, check there for any specific sim stuff
Embellishments are going to Slimy Boots + Toxic Patch
12 days ago

in the pins

[limber lion]

Again

[clever sapphire]

heh only if i was smart enough to read the bottom part of the post

[limber lion]

Probs out of date

Look like the embelishment pin was removed

But if you don't have boots, just get Toxic Thorn

[onyx crane]

just like DH!
can I patch my dagger with it? ( i need to find a recrafter though

[limber lion]

No

It needs to be an armor piece

It's called "Toxic Armor Patch"

[woeful meteor]

cant be engi armor either

[onyx crane]

oh snap

[tacit otter]

also not on cloak

[onyx crane]

guess I need to craft another belt...

cuz my rogue is engi

and has the wrist

[proper tapir]

Did you do more damage overall?

[sweet dawn]

Yeah I usually do like 110k but I noticed I was hitting closer to 120k overalls

Could be that I'm just playing better/ bigger pulls or whatever

[proper tapir]

Nice! Yeah maybe, it could be pulls and stuff but at least it wasn't a dps loss lol

[sweet dawn]

Trueeee

I've definitely been doing more damage

[pine ore]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woven hound]

Possible to link me to it? I looked in TC but couldn't find it

[sweet dawn]

#1065730164077645916 message

[minor gate]

is there a poisons macro?

[warm vortex]

isnt st for assa just like
mutilate and envenom
and then like re apply ruptures and garrots when needed
and you just use everything off cd? (I assume you always use exang before deathmark)

also is assa better than sub for single target this raid?
i heard that after 4 set sub is better but i could be wrong

[sweet dawn]

Your opener's a bit wack with exsang and sepsis is fun too but honestly yeah just mut > envenom, reapply dots, and slam things on CD most of the time and you're gucc

[junior aurora]

4 set for sub is dogshit and assa is getting buffed by ~4% so it should be fine to play over sub if you want

[warm vortex]

ah ok

ah alright

i just remember hearing from a friend who does mythic raiding that the rogues are better in sub when playing ST

[warm vortex]

so p much, use whatever you want rlly atm?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, it’s really a play what you want angle

[sharp viper]

how should I use beacon and bomb dispenser in the opener?

[gusty mirage]

If you like sin play sin, if you like sub play sub. A few thousand dps isn’t that significant in the grand scheme of things, unless your guild is hard stuck on a dps check which at this point shouldn’t be a thing really

[silk bane]

^ I swear its not even about that or helping your guild prog. people just wanna see themselves pumping bigger numbers and being higher on the dps meters thats all

and for that, u just do what i did. get in an awful guild where youre out dpsing locks and devokers and mages getting PIs as a sub rogue. ez win

only prob with that is u get hard stuck on zskarn

[gusty mirage]

[silk bane]

but thats a small price u pay

[gusty mirage]

Bruh

No shot your warlocks are losing to a rogue

Are they playing with their toes???

[vestal wren]

real man play blind folded.

[silk bane]

dude. our WF quit last tier. and i was our top dps on our experiment kill when we have 2 destros with the class trinket getting PIs

im literally in jail

we're not killing sarc

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Apply bomb, beacon when it's off cd, spam bomb

Depends a bit on fight length sometimes

[gusty mirage]

Hi Cev ur cute

[limber lion]

Could be other way around

Hi Oxi ur hot

[gusty mirage]

No u

[limber lion]

I just updated my pfp in my social media thingies. It's been like 5 years lol

Pretty banger photo, happy with it

[gusty mirage]

I have not done that yet

I want people to think I’ve been abducted by the cartel

[limber lion]

Yeah, I just felt like a bit of a feetus in the last photo

[gusty mirage]

Use your current photo

[limber lion]

Even though I've barely changed, the picture still makes me look more mature which is always nice for someone who looks like they're 12

[gusty mirage]

Absolute violinist sex symbol

[sharp viper]

experiments progress atm

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage probably has some banger timings for that

I don't know jack, I'm sorry

[gusty mirage]

When your healers finally figure out dispels you’re gonna be confused as fuck why it took so long

[sharp viper]

atm holding beacon 😦

[gusty mirage]

Just blast it on CD tbh

Timing for me with bacon, is you get it off the shared trinket cd before shiv after deathmark

Just blast it and forget about it for 2.5 minutes

[sharp viper]

it feels so odd to use since I'm used to just blast the bombs

[gusty mirage]

Yea it’s kinda ass if you’re tight on fight timers

[thin gate]

guys i got all 5 set pieces which 4 are currently the go fors as assa?

like for "bis" stats

[gusty mirage]

Cause a bomb could cost you a cast

[gusty mirage]

The bis profile for assassination uses all 5

[thin gate]

oh perfect then i g

[vestal wren]

head or chest is usually replaced

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I would only replace helm with crafted

Cause helm options are kinda dogshit outside of that

[vestal wren]

chest possibly marginal better stat wise but its within very low margin

[thin gate]

tbh

like what are these helms this season

we got like 2? from m+

1 raid 1 set

[gusty mirage]

Yep

Absolute trash options lmao

[thin gate]

and almost all are versa

or i think even all

[vestal wren]

head crafted is rly good for sub/outlaw so there is one good reason to use it if its within low margins^^

[gusty mirage]

There’s the haste mastery one from uldaman

[thin gate]

i think i actually have to get the uldaman one

[gusty mirage]

That one’s pretty okay

[thin gate]

cause i only have crit versa gear

and recraft some stuff

other missives

gotta sim, ty tho

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

#tc-research has a text file that can help you with gear sims

[sharp viper]

I keep using bombs on the second beacon use

[steel ridge]

for the love of god

who designed that zskarn

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m kinda hoping I get the nelth trinket now

So I can just keep bomba equipped

[steel ridge]

WHAT IS THIS

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao

Best boss ever bro

[gusty mirage]

That’d be Mr. Newshyyy

[steel ridge]

i left the burning hells and now i am in even more burning hells

[gusty mirage]

Rashok bis boss in the raid

[steel ridge]

i want rashok back

[gusty mirage]

Wait until lava dog and nelth

[agile osprey]

See there's no chance I get nelth's from raid at this point since I snagged 447 dice

[gusty mirage]

[agile osprey]

only .2% higher so I'm very low prio

[gusty mirage]

Cook the sims bro

[warm vortex]

is the class nel trinket bis for both assa and sub?

[agile osprey]

Oh nvm I lied

It's actually simming .4% lower for me anyways

[sharp viper]

yeah love that trinket, and with the fix it's very viable in m+ too

[pallid spear]

Is the 5% buff implemented in raidbots yet? nighty/latest?

[keen spruce]

sim it on tuesday it'll probably be a lil better

raw main stat trinkies like aura buffs

[limber lion]

It's not even in-game yet.

It'll be in the sims once it's in-game

[vestal wren]

you can use the overwrites i posted in #tc-research if you want to sim for it

[pallid spear]

aight, thank you!

[agile osprey]

Oh ty didn’t realize that wasn’t accounted for yet

[cerulean walrus]

Sandbag sandbag

[warm vortex]

also
i assume the nelth trinket is amazing on assa

cause yknow
dot trink
dot spec :P

[round pecan]

!whyspir

[royal lantern]

amazing

[round pecan]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

with its shit uptime

nelth trinket and beacon are just the same rng bullshit

beacon if it crits

nelth if it procs in moments where it actually helps

[warm vortex]

wait so

should i replace my dice and mark for it?
ik i asked this already but im confused by simming lmao
i aint that smart :P

[winter gale]

Zskarn Mythic feels better w/o Exsang?

[subtle tundra]

its not very complicated

if the sim tells you the trinket is better

it most likely is

[warm vortex]

alr

prolly will just replace mark then

IF i ever get it haha :D

[agile osprey]

Hopefully they don’t notice me simming in a 420 gear set

[cerulean walrus]

[thin gate]

5% flat dps

we gonna be good

[cerulean walrus]

Hold up there bucko read the pin

[balmy condor]

Pin check

[thin gate]

saw it but i mean 4% flat without changing the talent tree or new rotations

thats gucci

finally we can outdps demo locks

[cerulean walrus]

5% but realistically 4% but realistically 3% but realistically 2% but realistically 1% but realistically 0%

[spice spire]

Real

[thin gate]

why dont they just give exsang the old effect and swap it with kingsbane in talent tree

:/

we could go dtb kingsbane or exsang

and live a good life

[grim jay]

would be broken

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[thin gate]

but i mean look

old exsang was strong cause it was close accesable

in tree

u had it pretty much for free

as a last row talent it actually wouldnt even be that op

[grim jay]

kingsbane would

with dtb

[cerulean walrus]

The massive damage on that KB

[grim jay]

well with dtb it would be massive

[thin gate]

i mean

look at evoker, mage, lock damage

or even unholy

[storm onyx]

They would need to tune it as wet noodle due to synergy, we would end up with nothing

[thin gate]

and tell me "that is broken"

[grim jay]

you dont seem to understand

the dtb and kb interaction

[thin gate]

i do understand

[grim jay]

and how much it would do

[thin gate]

i do

yh like double kingsbane dot

im aware of that

[storm onyx]

then you chose to deny yourself ><

They would need to tune it down 50%, and we would have a locked spec that has one extra button

Or they would need to tune down other dmg: we would end up with a locked spec which is very punishing on errors and 1 more button

[grim jay]

its the same buttoncount as playing exsang if it was a choice node with it

but ye it would need to get nerfed hard

and KB would depend on using DTB

[storm onyx]

yea, both would be wet noodles unpaired

[grim jay]

unless they do some weird interaction limited stuff

like capping stacks

[austere fulcrum]

Does it make so much difference to have lambent armor kit rather than fierce ?

it sims a bit higher but more agi better no ?

[quasi steeple]

whats the best moment to drop the flaring cowl + diurna's?

[thin gate]

i think diurnas if u have a 444 socket or 447 ring

or if u dont have a fire damage source anymore

but prob sim

[quasi steeple]

When*

k k ty ty

[thin gate]

compare it with toxic patch

vs flaring

[quaint condor]

stupid q sorry
toxic patch counts as 2nd embellishment?

[thin gate]

yep

[quaint condor]

ty

[thin gate]

u pair it with toxic/slimy boots to double the effects

therefore = embellishment

[quaint condor]

yaya
makes sense just had to check

[marble hemlock]

it shouldnt

its 70less agi for 37vers. agi is more value than vers. if it sims higher, then its just margin of error problems

wait nvm

how much is the #3 lambent?

its 22 agi vs 37 vers

[cunning tartan]

guys do i use mark for death after exanguinate or before?

[vocal oracle]

Exsang>Deathmark

[sweet dawn]

First heroic sark kill and 2 daggers and belt drop

Best thing for me except cape/bacon

(I'm the only rogue in the raid)

[thin gate]

only exceptation is if ur doing m+ cleave and want the t set damage on a pack with IC

then u can half speed expire ur deathmark into IC damage

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hoary kernel]

so what is the crit cap? I find myself having 50% crit chance while having phial of corrupting rage, would it be better to replace some of my crit gear into haste/mastery?

with buzzing runes unbuffed i have 45% chance to crit at 5966 crit

[gusty mirage]

Why would you replace your gear when you can just replace your phial

[thin gate]

you could just sim and put in haste mastery combo in consumables or other phial

[gusty mirage]

For the significantly cheaper tepid vers

[thin gate]

tbh tepid vers prob best progress flask

cause u tankier + dps is fine

[hoary kernel]

gotcha

[keen spruce]

cool we had to call raid cuz of the server lag

thx blizz

[vocal oracle]

exsang and DM only affect 1 target...no?

[thin gate]

they do

but the 4 piece set = damage

to all

it increases the "NATURE DAMAGE" dealt by you

not on your target

[vocal oracle]

ahh I see where you are going

[thin gate]

so if u rly wanna minmax

u prob go into a pack open up with a deathmarked exsang

while it expires u vanish IC garrote rupture

and back to rota

[balmy condor]

only a gain on very specific timings

I would basically never recommend

[thin gate]

i mean if the pack survives the whole bleed duration of IC + CT

then its a gain for sure

o.w wasted cooldowns

[azure grail]

when refreshing an empowered garrote with a non-empowered one, do you re-garrote before the final/partial tick, or is it better to let it fall off and then re-apply? or does it not matter

[balmy condor]

yeah but only if the pack wouldn't have survived otherwise

you got like an 8 second window of time

that you have to plan for, 45 seconds in advance

[cunning nest]

Let it Fall off

But I think you wont notice if you muss 1 tick. Just dont let it Happen while DM I reckon

[strange python]

EU or na

[keen spruce]

na

[minor gate]

i wish i could get some trinkets

perhaps next week

[young nacelle]

for life bound bindings, should i use crit/mast stat missive or doesnt matter

[spice surge]

If you dont use a missive its going to have random stats

And they cost like 100g, so its not like theyre expensive

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[young nacelle]

so, yes?

[balmy condor]

I mean unless you want to gamble

you should be using it

[young nacelle]

thank

[next dune]

I'm using haste/verse on mine. Simmed by far the highest. Dim returns? Who knows.

[brazen zodiac]

most of the time the random stat is vers so gl 💃

[balmy condor]

thats cursed holy

[next dune]

Could be. Or that I still have 47% crit and mastery with those things.

Or that stupid scale crit trinket is messing with it. Hard saying

[honest iris]

When to cast beacon in opener?

[dawn sparrow]

Does enyone know if ER is bugged? I use my finisher on the combo point but I only see damage equal to the regular number of combo points generated

[balmy condor]

seems to work fine

[dawn sparrow]

Weird thanks!

[balmy condor]

were you comparing rupture maybe?

[dawn sparrow]

I looked at rupture and enven and both ticked at the regular combo point damage

[balmy condor]

okay well envenom doesn't tick

but rupture tick damage should be the same

combo points don't affect the tick damage of rupture, only the duration

[dawn sparrow]

Oh duration doesn't increase?

[balmy condor]

no, the duration is the part that increases

more combo points = longer rupture

[proper tapir]

The total damage is increased since the duration is increased, but the damage per tick is the same.

[dawn sparrow]

Oh I see, sorry noob here lol

[hot basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[quasi osprey]

is there anywhere you can post logs for some help

[balmy condor]

is it sepsis

[quasi osprey]

i am playing sepsis in the fight yes

if youre asking me

[balmy condor]

yeh

post it here then

wowanalyzer can't handle sepsis yet

probably get it in this week

[quasi osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FcfT7VtG1n3qMJ4N/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=16
I know i used fragment late on third deathmark and around 3 minutes i had a late garrote on sepsis

god bless appreciate any help <3

signed, a sub refugee nervous about the buffs lol

[pure moth]

You should macro fragment with deathmark and forget about it. That will help there.

[quasi osprey]

good shout, will do

[balmy condor]

or get a better trinket

eventually at least

[pure moth]

That to

[weak plover]

Doubtful that sin buffs will make it meta over Sub.

[quasi osprey]

ive been trying to get a good second trink for ages haha

lucky dice on sub

unlucky dice

[quasi osprey]

ik but i wanna keep all bases covered in case

sin is pretty fun too

[balmy condor]

first thing I see

is you just didn't use the second buff from sepsis in your opener

just expired

[weak plover]

Is chromatic essence good now?

[balmy condor]

as good as it was before

it's never been bad

[hot basin]

is assas fine with zero haste?

[balmy condor]

yep

[quasi osprey]

ah damn, how do you about checking that in the logs

[balmy condor]

yeh @quasi osprey idk, fucked up the opener garrote, could've held the 4min deathmark for 10 seconds to sync it with vanish at the end of the fight, oh and you aren't pooling shiv for sepsis/deathmark really, could work on that too

[balmy condor]

just compare cast times

if you cast sepsis at 7, you can't garrote at 28

[quasi osprey]

syncing with deathmark means vanish>garrote before deathmark i assume?

[balmy condor]

or deathmark vanish

or deathmark env vanish

doesn't matter

just getting improved garrote uptime during deathmark

versus just having 10 seconds of reg garrote

[quasi osprey]

makes sense, thanks for all the pointers :)

[drifting cloud]

whispyr why are you ruining all the assa fun on magmorax

youre the only guy without cttc

[balmy condor]

mental break

didn't crit any of my shit, died twice

dumb

game sucks

[gaunt moat]

I've got a Rashok Dillema
It's possible to fit 4 DMs in the fight, but the last DM will only last 10s until the boss's enrage.
Is it better to forgo the 4th DM, and hold the 3rd to usage in conjunction with a potion?

Now that I'm writing this, I realize that if boss will die, the 4th will even have less than 10s if any time at all.

[balmy condor]

boss enrage is 6:30

you should easily get the 6min dm in

[gaunt moat]

I'm seeing my last DM at 6:20

[balmy condor]

don't hold it

[woeful meteor]

How does Sin feel on Echo?

[balmy condor]

feels like a melee spec hitting the boss for 7 minutes straight, but while doing less damage than sub

[woeful meteor]

😄

more like timing wise HC Timings are giga scuffed so you can rly compare them

[balmy condor]

idk

ain't that bad

[earnest remnant]

im probably gonna play Assa next week on Sark

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that

[drifting cloud]

echo is probably sins 2nd best fight of the raid

[earnest remnant]

playing sub on it was interesting

probably wont do it again until im allowed to spec BP on it

[balmy condor]

I've been told assa does healer dps in p2

[earnest remnant]

p2 should roughly be same as p1 tho

so i dont see how thats the case

well you get 20 sec more of lust than the haste amp but

[drifting cloud]

you come out and cd, then youre kinda afk till end of phase

[earnest remnant]

well thats how p1 is as well tho

[drifting cloud]

but yeah since boss phases on timers dont see how it really matters

aslong as you can beat tank on 2nd, 3rd add

prob good enough

[earnest remnant]

i think if its boss dmg you want

you play assa over sub

i had some good pulls tonight

on some 8-9% wipes as sub

[drifting cloud]

yeah unfort it kinda doesnt matter what you do

[earnest remnant]

doing like 130k+

[drifting cloud]

all that matters is how many priests, evokers, locks and mages

your comp has

[earnest remnant]

then on kill as we all do

we do 109k

[drifting cloud]

think you missed a flag cast in p3 could be wrong, and then I saw you got the afk bait at the end

bing chilling on the edge in safespot

[earnest remnant]

i asked the boss, how many p3 mechanics are you gonna give me, all he said was yes

i flagged twice in p3

[gaunt moat]

Seems my 3rd DM usage was delayed by 9 seconds.

[earnest remnant]

this was p3

[drifting cloud]

oh right 7:30 is the same cursed stuff as sepsis

[earnest remnant]

timers are not great

[gusty mirage]

Just play warlock idk man

[drifting cloud]

so you delay what 45s in p1

and then another 40~ in p3

[earnest remnant]

p1 is 1:40

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao

[earnest remnant]

then you have the intermission shit

[drifting cloud]

yeah you get out at around 2:10 dont you?

[gusty mirage]

1:40

[earnest remnant]

2:06 i hit the boss

so 36 sec

and then same shit happens at the end of p2

[blazing jewel]

I think I’m leaning towards sin again too

[earnest remnant]

well for me its a reclear thing so i dont really care

ill play sub if i can play BP

[blazing jewel]

My better pulls of p2 were around 100-110

Wait did you kill sark

[drifting cloud]

ye

[blazing jewel]

Colour boys unbustable

[earnest remnant]

fight design is not that great timing wise for rogue

[blazing jewel]

Or a 50% haste amp

[earnest remnant]

hot take

but

[drifting cloud]

think its "okay" for assa, atleast well it doesnt fuck you more than other 2min classes

[earnest remnant]

if the p1/p2 was just slightly longer

rogue would be more than fine

[drifting cloud]

its just you do 0 dps to pad

[blazing jewel]

Yea if you could fit second flag into p1 p2

[woeful meteor]

1 min Mark with Duskwalker in 10.1.5 tree is going to fix this

[gaunt moat]

I've been doing the opener wrong

[drifting cloud]

scana when do I vanish if sepsis is start of p2

[earnest remnant]

all our low pulls

[gaunt moat]

that's why my DM is delayed

[earnest remnant]

i was doing 125k+

-.-

[drifting cloud]

just like 1min in?

[gusty mirage]

Ryler

[earnest remnant]

then boss said fuck you on the kill

but atleast its dead

we take that above all

[gusty mirage]

How long does it take ranged to figure out nelth

[earnest remnant]

very

long

[drifting cloud]

I cant say

[gusty mirage]

Am I almost to the final frontier?

[earnest remnant]

its hard to count

[gusty mirage]

Well time to bust out payphone for 5 hrs playlist

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/stable-ronaldo-pay-phone-hahahaha-lol-gif-20871661

[woeful meteor]

Listened to payphone in Raid today still tilted and played like shit for 60% of it

[gusty mirage]

You need to get other melee in on it

That’s the secret

Imma miss some time tonight cause my train is an hour and 20 minutes late

[earnest remnant]

this was sad tho

[drifting cloud]

clearly need to use it during symbols

for anti jinx

[gusty mirage]

Yeah Lmaoooo idiot

Check this guy out

Top rogue my ass

Imagine not critting bacon

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor How come you didn't use a 2nd pot on rashok? forgot about it, or you think it was just too late

wait you did nvm

[balmy condor]

yeh

[woeful meteor]

its never to late to pot

[balmy condor]

it's macro'd into my deathmark

should be using at 6min

[gaunt moat]

yeah i expected to see it near a DM

but it was used like 10 seconds before DM, that's why i missed it

[blazing jewel]

If you don’t mind me asking what was your p2/p3 damage

[earnest remnant]

shit

[blazing jewel]

I was trying to see sins execute damage in p3 during heroic sark pugs but they phase the boss early so cds don’t line up

[earnest remnant]

i was doing 121k in p2

not overall dps

just in p2

[blazing jewel]

I vanish to extend the original sepsis garrotes in p1 and then use vanish to garrote spam the boss and adds during the first breath

[earnest remnant]

and 95.5k in p3 while having 0 uptime

for 1/3 of it

[blazing jewel]

Did you go down an extra time in p3

[earnest remnant]

no

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

i got all the hurtlin barrages

[blazing jewel]

Ah

Unlucky

Seems about normal for sub p3

I was looking at logs and it was anywhere from 90-110k

[earnest remnant]

couldve done WAYYYYY more

[balmy condor]

probably fat fingered my dm button

[earnest remnant]

i think peoplea re trolling