assassination

[royal lantern]

[tacit otter]

i love that my guild is not that good where i can still play assa and still improve. i got 2 R1 on mythic last reclear. (small boost of dopamin atleast)

[marble hemlock]

i mean assa isnt bad, its just not good either. not even close to good, actually. its one niche is kinda useless on pmuch any fight other than echo, and it does no cleave or aoe

[royal lantern]

wdym with echo there seli

didnt look that fight up yet, still rashok prison

[marble hemlock]

its the one fight this tier thats remotely difficulty and actually has %based phasing

so execute actually has some value

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, it has a dmg hardstop

[spice surge]

But it also has a dps stop right as your second deathmark comes up

[royal lantern]

thought you just dont hit that one on mythic tbh

[marble hemlock]

ye

nah you do

not by much but like

it doesnt matter right

it means that the damage towards the end of the fight matters more than the dmg at the beginning

which is the point of execute, but not smth you have on any of the other later fights this tier

rashok/zskarn/magmorax are 1-phase fights

[crude moat]

Complicated. rather play sin

[marble hemlock]

sarka is fully time-based so execute makes no difference (well, theres %checks too but you dont hit them in mythic)

echo has a %check on p2 as well but its rare to hit it, and you still need to kill the add anyway

[royal lantern]

feels like blizz went to hard in 1 direction again, from "we have to many fights with hardstops and you only need to hit specific %" to "it all doesnt matter, just do dmg cus its timer based anyway"

[marble hemlock]

i honestly think this is fine

execute as a niche fucking sucks imo

cuz its either useless or broken

its hard to make smth like this anything but a binary choice

[spice surge]

And like seli said, the one fight that does have phases have a 20s stop dps part

And stop dps and line of sight is like the least fun mechanics possible

[marble hemlock]

depends on how good your dps is

but ye, assa is surprisingly decent on echo

[spice surge]

Even though i think the fight is fine overall

[marble hemlock]

but it has nothing to do with its damage profile

its just one of those fights where you will wipe a lot because people die. and rogue cannot die on that fight

[gaunt moat]

Fok>FoK>Fok>FoK>CT
Fok>FoK>Fok>FoK>Envemom
♾️

[royal lantern]

thats an accurate amount of FoK needed to get full cp against 5 enemys

[gaunt moat]

[crude moat]

[marble hemlock]

but ye, i think this is definitely a better boss design, than all the shitty dps stops that make you wait for CDs to come back up

[royal lantern]

KT

[marble hemlock]

i mean, half of shadowlands, really

painsmith

fatescribe

[royal lantern]

it sucks so hard that painsmith had that

[marble hemlock]

even sylv had dps stop

[royal lantern]

cus it was the best fight of the tier outside of it

[marble hemlock]

sepulcher wasnt much better either

but ye, it obviously cancels out the value of stuff like devoker mastery or arms/assa/dk execute

it transforms those effects into simple dmg amps, and execute typically gets the short end of teh stick, because for most of prog, you look like youre not pulling your weight in DPS

its also why devoker looks so broken in prog, cuz theyll be topping the charts a lot when you wipe at 50 or 60% HP 😄

[royal lantern]

tbf, a RL with half a brain knows that

aka 99% of RL dont

[marble hemlock]

But ye it is what it is. Rogue will always be a good prog class cuz it just cant die

Which makes prog a lot easier, since you push bosses more and gain more information/more time to practice

Psure thats why Blizz is so hesitant to make it one of the top DPS specs as well

[thorn fjord]

Nah they just like to see us bitch and moan

[marble hemlock]

You have that everywhere tho

Every class community has their skips and notters

[royal lantern]

tbg, warlock/mage are also really fking durable to almost unkillable

[thorn fjord]

Oh for sure

No one is safe

[marble hemlock]

warlock, yeah. mage im not sure

ours keep dying

[thorn fjord]

Had a shit warlock in a key last night tell me Melee is OP and that he wishes he did as much dmg as i did in a fucking VP

[spice surge]

Its even more silly now when i play rotten and am giga stacking vers, having a permanent 15% DR ontop of being a rogue is very silly

[marble hemlock]

but that might just be cuz echo puts heavy strain on peoples defensives and mobility

[royal lantern]

eh, mage actually needs to use their deffensive abilitys

not really passive stuff

like, you used block/images to late? dead

warlock just doesnt die by default, and rogue always has CD+cloak+evasion+healthpot as a panic reaction avaible

[thorn fjord]

Feint is my favorite button

[marble hemlock]

ye, the fact you can evasion the wall breaks is kinda ridiculous

[royal lantern]

wait you can

[marble hemlock]

ye

[royal lantern]

the fuck

[spice surge]

[royal lantern]

this tier has actually good use for evasion

[thorn fjord]

[marble hemlock]

just gotta face the boss

[spice surge]

You can bop em too, its a physical debuff

[royal lantern]

so its like, a physical dmg stomp that comes from the boss or something like that, gotcha

[marble hemlock]

ye

i was wondering why it didnt work in p2

cuz i always looked at the wall that was getting broken

then i realized the source is the boss

[royal lantern]

and tbf, i dont even want rogue to be top dps, i just dont want to feel as if im somewhat criplled by default dmg wise

+assa beeing so weird/bad in all thing aoe related

[marble hemlock]

ye like, im not saying were in a good spot. were not. but its not completely awful either

[royal lantern]

rogue is playable

its just, in the lower half of mediocre

[marble hemlock]

at least in prog its always good value to have a solid rogue player or two, cause you wanna limit the vulnerabilities in your raid of people dying too early and having to wipe it

[spice surge]

And as much as people meme on atrophic poison, you pretty much always want a rogue for it unless rogues are really awful

Or if the only dangerous mechanic in the fight is unaffected by it i guess

[marble hemlock]

ye its a solid passive, no matter how much people meme on it

[spice surge]

If the adds on neltharion or sark were more dangerous even numbing wouldve been good

[royal lantern]

and the fact that having a rogue means you have 1 less floor PoV warrior

[spice surge]

from a second rogue

[marble hemlock]

well

double rally is still insanely strong

on basically every fight

[royal lantern]

it was a joke about warrior dps somehow always dying

[spice surge]

Idk most warriors ive played with arent bad, its mostly DHs tbh

[marble hemlock]

ye

idk how you die as DH

well i do

cuz after a raid you throw in the defensives filter

and realize your DH uses blur once per pull

[crude moat]

As a s1 DH mono player i feel attacked

[royal lantern]

idk

use deffensives more often

people hold on them for way to long

the amount of people that go trought a group dmg heavy fight and used their personals maybe once and not even a healthpotion is way to high

like, as a mage you can almost slamm mirror images on CD

[crude moat]

Tbh, Dh defensives compared to rogue's are basically trash

And Momentum

But agree

[spice spire]

Yeah but dh leech nutty. It’s the trade off

[royal lantern]

eeeeeehhhh........

its always a bit mixed

rogue deffensives are like, either really really strong, or dont do anything at all

sometimes i wish i had a chose 1 talent that gives me a generic "20%less dmg for X seconds" instead of cloak

this season m+ shows the limits of rogue deffensives really good

[crude moat]

I mean, rogue got 3-4 options i guess

Dh got really one that you can use normally

And sometimes you just die

Cause again, momentum

Rogues can just stay still and hit, that's great

[marble hemlock]

thats because most DPS players dont understand that their job isnt just to ensure that they do the correct DPS at the correct time, and making sure that they assign their DPS CDs, but that the more important part of their job in prog is to use their defensives properly and at the same time every time to make the healers jobs easier

[royal lantern]

i mean, its not even 3-4 options lol

99% of the time its feint and cloak

[crude moat]

Feint, evasion, cloack

[royal lantern]

evasion is VERY niche

[crude moat]

Dunno if i forgot some

[marble hemlock]

most just pop their 40% mitigation CD after they jhust took a big hit that brought them down to 20% HP and think thats how to use defensives

[crude moat]

I mean, it just bypass one mechanic in raid

[spice spire]

I was In a 20 uldaman last night, got targeted with the DPS thing on third boss into the aoe slam and just fucking died through feint? XDD

[crude moat]

It is niche but still strong

[royal lantern]

like, in the far far majority of cases, evasion doesnt do anything, there is like 1 mechanic you can cheese each raid and thats it

for experiments its cool if you get targeted, but then its ussules for all other bosses (except wall break on echo)

thats not really a good staple deffensive ability

[crude moat]

This is the way.

[shut pollen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[crude moat]

I mean, not a rogue main expert, but coming from DH i feel fucking invencible as rogue

Just a feeling

[royal lantern]

you forgot the other classic: you a dispell effect or big deffensive when the healer just used a healing cd

[marble hemlock]

ye

[royal lantern]

just a tiny bit of communication in a dungeon makes shit so much more easy

[marble hemlock]

but its smth i noticed a lot on fights like halondrus

people plan out their DPS CDs, but not their defensives

and then its random all the time

[royal lantern]

"you use a healing cd for the first group aoe, then we use deffensives, then you can aoe heal and we healthpot"

[marble hemlock]

makes healing a lot harder as well

[royal lantern]

and suddenly a dungeon boss is WAY more managable

[crude moat]

Nah, just get to 10% health and pop every defensive spell you got

Hope for the best

[spice spire]

Amen god blsss

[royal lantern]

all mythic raiders should be forced to play a healer for 1month

suddenly mythic prog goes way smoother because people understand how healers work and how you can make stuff more managable for them

[marble hemlock]

nah

people die

shit on healers

dps goes ungabunga

dies to random shit

when being able to pay full attention to the boss

while healers have their eyes glued to the health frames that are dropping by 50% HP every few seconds, miss a mechanic and wipe the raid "lmao dogshit healers"

[royal lantern]

i remember joining my guild, and during a key i just said "yo, can you give me pain sup for the next group dmg? have nothing for that one"

and the priest was going crazy that i asked for an external, cus nobody ever does it lol

[idle inlet]

Does beacon to beyond and dragonfire bomb dispenser have anti synergy. I simmed them on my character and no matter what trinket I replaced it was better to only have 1 of them than to have both.

[woeful meteor]

They dont they are you second best option that doesnt inlude irideus after neltharion trinket

[weak horizon]

irideus oversimming on sin so it's got a couple of better alternatives now anywho

[cinder thicket]

Which crit chance has beacon btw ? does it use our crit chance or has it a base crit chance or spell crit chance ?

[vestal wren]

it uses your crit chance

[cinder thicket]

ah okay cause i read smth. yesterday when someone asks about use beacon right on pull and vanish after and start rotation. wouldnt it be useful to take master assassin to boost your crit chance and get a better chance of critting with it ?

[royal lantern]

MA is only more crit chance for Rogue abilitys

[cinder thicket]

its not worded like that in the tree thats why i was wondering

it just says "your crit chance is increased by 30%... "

[vestal wren]

MA used to work on items, but this was changed in SL

[royal lantern]

yeha, its not stated, but it works that way

[vestal wren]

PE from subtlety does work on items

[royal lantern]

same thing that Shiv only increases nature dmg from rogue abilitys etc....

[cinder thicket]

ah okay i might remember some MA bullshit with BfA heart abilitys or legion trinkets ^^

well thx 🙂 was just a thought i had last night

[spare narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slate crane]

sepsis > bone spike ?

[sweet dawn]

If a boss isn't making it to 4min DM, but I can fit the sepsis in before, do I just sepsis > garrote > ER Rupture > exsang?

and not hold for DM

[clever sapphire]

full ST? yes

[clever sapphire]

sounds logical

its better to send than hold

so if you know boss isnt living till your next exsang dm combo

you just send it whenever

[sweet dawn]

oke dope

[gusty mirage]

you've never played with oxiclap and it shows

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[terse otter]

Did they confirmed that 10.1.5 rogue rework? Didnt see anything in any notes

[clever sapphire]

they confirmed that rogue changes are coming with pala and mage

[vestal wren]

i would interpret the blue post we got as "rogue is being looked at"

unsure how long it will take to see more changes

[terse otter]

More? Did we see any at all?

[oak sky]

I think the best interpretation is that rogue changes were planned for this patch

At this point it seems pretty likely they got pushed off to .1.7

But the ptr isnt over yet so

[clever sapphire]

outlaw got one of their roll the bone buffs reworked

XD

[vestal wren]

well i think they did a outlaw rtb change

so its not "nothing", but again not sure how big of a change they work on

[quartz kraken]

been gone since 10.0.5, wanna play rogue, do i still gimp myself playing assa over sub in M+?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[quartz kraken]

damn that sucks

ty though

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

sub is effortless high dmg in m+ cus you legit spam 2 buttons most of the time

assa is high effort and low payoff

[clever sapphire]

you caaan play assa, but its gonna make you quit rogue unless you are really committed

[gusty mirage]

you see

[quartz kraken]

yea i somehow hoped they pruned or merged some abilities for assa

[spice spire]

Is it high effort tho

[gusty mirage]

it's not even about effort

it's just you do 10 times more work

[royal lantern]

more effort then sub for sure

[gusty mirage]

for less damage

[spice spire]

I mean yeah

But I still wouldn’t label it like it once was

[safe swift]

assa would be alright if they reduced exsang cd to 2 min and deathmark to 1.5 min i think

[spice spire]

I can ic if my tank doesn’t daisy chain and I’m just a worse sub rogue

Iron wire value tho trust

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Been playing sub in m+ for the past week and it’s an easy 15k overall

[gusty mirage]

how does that fix the aoe

[safe swift]

more 4 set up time

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[clever sapphire]

you wanna fuck with my brain? thats how you fuck with my brain

[gusty mirage]

our aoe damage is dogshit

1.5 minute deathmark

and 2 minute exsang doesn't fix that

[quartz kraken]

i dont wanna play sub or outlaw so i just reroll

[gusty mirage]

will make our ST actually decent though

[safe swift]

3 min exsang is just a joke period

[gusty mirage]

exsang is just a joke period*

fixed that for you

[clever sapphire]

damn you were faster

[gusty mirage]

[safe swift]

you play sepsis in m+ aswell?

serieus question

[clever sapphire]

[safe swift]

not even in tyra weeks?

[clever sapphire]

hell nah

you dont even play bonespike

you just lose too much aoe

its just not worth

[safe swift]

aight

well let's see what they do for us in 10.1.5

just give us assa bfa s4

lol

[runic hinge]

Make deathmark aoe

[clever sapphire]

make rupture do dmg

now dotting makes sense

[runic hinge]

But our 2 set

[steel ridge]

Bladeflurry in ST

[safe swift]

question for in aoe situations do you put deathmark on like the lowest hp mob so it dies off before the 16 sec and gives us 4 set or do you setup deathmark for the next pull ?

so we go with 4 set into next pack

[clever sapphire]

lets take freehold first pull as example

there i put full dots on the enforcer, i dm then exsang

[raven knoll]

focus the add that does AOE damage

[clever sapphire]

so i still do dm dmg, but get the aoe faster

[pure moth]

Its cuz he used exsang..moving that much faster

[sharp elk]

has anyone raged about deathmark being on the gcd recently

[clever sapphire]

i think it comes down to the pull where you press dm. Do you need more aoe? in that case dm exsang. Do you need more ST and aoe is kinda irrelevant? Exsang dm

but you always kinda want full dm duration

even if its reduced by exsang

[gusty mirage]

yeah besides snd that's all these guys were bitching about for months

[sharp elk]

good, keep it up boyds

[safe swift]

hmm makes sense thanks

[gusty mirage]

we're at the acceptance stage of grief rn

[sharp elk]

also yeah, fuck snd

[clever sapphire]

as long as you dont see whispyr or oxi correcting me my gameplay probably makes sense xD

[oak sky]

Do people actually care about that

[gusty mirage]

yes

[oak sky]

Also thats hard futile like

[gusty mirage]

what else are we gonna talk about

[sharp elk]

are you a sin player if you dont fuck up deathmark and vanish sap even

[gusty mirage]

the changes we've gotten?

[spice spire]

No changes

[sharp elk]

[spice spire]

Literally anything

[gusty mirage]

oh right

sepsis

[white orchid]

Have an outlaw in our guild who in one of our mythic guilds did 6 million total damage with their beacon and bomb trinkets, which was 2 million more than their top rogue ability lol it’s like playing a trinket disguised as a rogue.

[gusty mirage]

that's new

cause it got mastery hotfixed

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

yeah man outlaw is a sick spec

10/10

[deft flicker]

Outlaw at its finest

[sharp elk]

nice, we are at least one more sepsis buff from being better than another rogue spec at single target

[gusty mirage]

hard carried by a 10.0.7 ring

[white orchid]

It’s embarrassing

[gusty mirage]

and 2 broken trinkets

@deft flicker zac told me it's an outlaw tier

[sharp elk]

i fucked up deathmark and my AC is broken so im about .6 seconds from a mental breakdown

[limpid quest]

Im not using Exsang... do you think its a big hit on dps loss?

[gusty mirage]

I exsanged my deathmark like 8 times in a row on magmorax prog

ask me anything

[deft flicker]

Every tier is an outlaw tier. Already got my 42k io

[sharp elk]

glad ur still here

[gusty mirage]

and then I realized

the difference in dps

doesn't even matter

because evokers just shit on our damage either way

we're too far down the meters for anyone to notice

[sharp elk]

true at least we got a legendary fist weapon

wait

[gusty mirage]

we just apply atrophic like the good lil "raid utility" bots that we are

[limpid quest]

question can you still pull good deeps with out using exsang?

[gusty mirage]

and cope about our execute damage

[gusty mirage]

ya, the dif isn't big enough to play something you don't like

[oak sky]

And now they get a 2nd spec with a raid buff

[limpid quest]

tx

[gusty mirage]

plus if you misplay exsang

you'll brick your damage

can't do that if you don't play exsang

[limpid quest]

yea thats me lol

trying to stay with the easiest build

[gusty mirage]

me too friend

me too

[agile osprey]

I fully utilize those 45 seconds of execute to see my name on the meters

[limpid quest]

sepsis death mark shiv vanish with 5 sec left on DM

[tulip kernel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[clever sapphire]

i got a tip for you, there is an option where you are always shown on the meter no matter your place

[sharp elk]

hey at least we are good on that one boss in halls of infusion

[limpid quest]

yea I can't thank Whisper's enough for his spreadsheets help so much

[clever sapphire]

i always have yellow on my dps meters

[agile osprey]

Oh shit you’re right

[gusty mirage]

always show me

[clever sapphire]

you mean arms warrior is good

[white orchid]

Thought a pretty much ST raid would mean it was our time to shine

[agile osprey]

Or I could just play ret?

[sharp elk]

we are trying to cope over here buddy

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

wtf

let us have this

[clever sapphire]

dude i always cope on halls

i go AP build for even more execute

ambush spam

halls is pure copium

[sharp elk]

omg you play sin in m+

[drifting cloud]

oxi were prob playing 2 rogues on sark

pray for me

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

no uh, 1 priest, no prot pala

its gaming time

[jaunty dew]

Does 4p affect our rotation in anyway? both ST and M+?

[clever sapphire]

ye now you want 5 min bossfights instead of 4:30

🤣

only change

[sharp elk]

just go sub

find happiness

[gusty mirage]

if this is what happiness looks like

I'm good

[sharp elk]

lol stop

[white orchid]

Just delete assass spec so we can all move on

[sharp elk]

if you think im clicking that talent

ur high

[clever sapphire]

why does your name sound like a digimon

am i the only one

[gusty mirage]

because he's a digital monster

[white orchid]

Idk lol

[gusty mirage]

digimon have the POWA

[clever sapphire]

there is aguamon or some shit like that

[sharp elk]

man they really want to make rogue feel awful to play

[gusty mirage]

that's for sure a super hero bro

[clever sapphire]

im gonna feckin look it up

[clever sapphire]

its agumon

close enough

[sharp elk]

i want to go back to the good ol days when all i had to worry about was poison bomb not proccing

[clever sapphire]

what do you worry about now?

[gusty mirage]

true

[sharp elk]

how much i hate half the buttons i press

[gusty mirage]

yeah I got nothing to fix that

[clever sapphire]

well atleast those things show up in the dmg meter. Not like fire mage only dmg being ignite

spamming 5 buttons so only 1 does dmg

the one you are not pressing

[sharp elk]

ya but fire rework and removing rune of power

now that is some cumgasm

[clever sapphire]

rune getting removed?

time to reroll mage

[sharp elk]

yep

[vestal wren]

buff poison bomb and nerf other things to fix assassination

[sharp elk]

gigabased

[winter gale]

Next tier we will be fotm

[white orchid]

Wasn’t there a 5% aura buff coming in 10.1.5? Or some shit lol

[clever sapphire]

ye, we all rerolling to fotm true

[royal lantern]

for 2 weeks and then get stomped into the ground again?

[gusty mirage]

the answer was in front of us the entire time

just giga buff snd to tilt @royal lantern

and make melee auto attacks and poison procs 90% of our damage

[royal lantern]

[winter gale]

I will die stay assa foreva

[clever sapphire]

remove cttc so now we have to press snd even more

[sharp elk]

yes but make poison bomb a nuclear bomb and have a talent where you build an sc2 nuclear silo

[gusty mirage]

make it so when I press snd, blizzard sends someone to my house to punch me in the balls

[sharp elk]

and make assassination an sc2 ghost

[sharp elk]

that is some fanfic material to last bliz at least a month

[clever sapphire]

make it so others can see our poison bomb

[deft flicker]

Sounds more like snm than snd

[clever sapphire]

now they can drag it out on purpose, like they drag it out of rain of fire

[sharp elk]

LMAO

[vestal wren]

so remove cut the chase and make snd give you a haste buff while active

[gusty mirage]

YES

[sharp elk]

better yet, make poison bomb cover ground effects

[gusty mirage]

@royal lantern

[sharp elk]

for entire party

except for you

[oak sky]

Haste

[sharp elk]

basically a sin buff

[clever sapphire]

and make it glow like its a 90s disco party

[oak sky]

So impactful

Love haste

[sharp elk]

nerf everyone else=sin buff

[clever sapphire]

give us smokebomb in pve, but instead of blinding enemies it blinds teammates. They cant attack inside it

now if a warrior presses cooldowns i press smokebomb and keep being top dps

[sharp elk]

holy shit this is some good theory crafting

[gusty mirage]

still better than anything warlock has come up with in the last 10 years

[oak sky]

Me when impending catastrophe

[clever sapphire]

but warlock is constant top dps, so they are doing something correct atleast

[gusty mirage]

yeah

someone at blizzard likes them

[sharp elk]

remember that time warlocks could move and cast every ability

[gusty mirage]

that's it

[sharp elk]

holy shit that was a good time

[gusty mirage]

that's what they did

did you know

in shadowlands

venthyr destruction

was the bis aoe covenant combo

for destro?

you didn't

because their APL didn't do anything except cast immolate

[sharp elk]

ya i skipped that expac after the first raid (:

[gusty mirage]

over and over and over again

[sharp elk]

based warlock dev

[vestal wren]

great gameplay

[clever sapphire]

destro in dungeons with tset was the most fun i had in dungeons in a while

[sharp elk]

the best warlock was mop/wod warlock, any 500% aoers?

[clever sapphire]

it was busted as fuck

required no brain

i could spam 1 button

[gusty mirage]

they needed that 5% aura buff at the beginning of season 3

you just don't get it

[oak sky]

Destro was underperforming during heroic week

So they just buffed their st

[sharp elk]

its actually wild that the lock devs have managed to make affliction not the top dps spec for a whole 2 tiers

[vestal wren]

just need to +10% aura buff for assassination

[thorn fjord]

How do you guys remember all this shit

I already deleted most of SL from my brain

[oak sky]

This was only like a year ago dawg

[vestal wren]

DF is a lot more volatile with buffs/nerfs

[thorn fjord]

Let alone mop and wod

[royal lantern]

also make SnD a poison dmg amp

[clever sapphire]

because SL was fim

[deft flicker]

We aren’t destro, of course we don’t get buffs meant for destro

[royal lantern]

and its the only talent before DM

[vestal wren]

what does SL stand for?

[clever sapphire]

sucking locks

[thorn fjord]

Shadowlands lol

[gusty mirage]

and do our laundry

[spice spire]

Little bro living the Miami life. Memory is prime real estate

[oak sky]

Locks cant suck

Not allowed

[thorn fjord]

Unless they sucking souls brethren

[clever sapphire]

no they are the ones doing the sucking, thats why they are constant top dps

[gusty mirage]

I'll suck your soul buddy

and not using magic

[thorn fjord]

Might get a stomach virus tbh

[gusty mirage]

worth

[oak sky]

Blackvneck bitch

[gusty mirage]

hol' up

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[gusty mirage]

you talking shit mr. boomkin?

[sharp elk]

make it so you dont have to press snd if you are using a bad dragon as a computer chair

[oak sky]

No sir

[gusty mirage]

you actually swapped to Tettles's class

[oak sky]

I meant like

[gusty mirage]

WHO HURT YOU

[oak sky]

Its britney bitch

But blackvneck bitch

[gusty mirage]

blackvneck is a scrub

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor when youre overcapping energy in ST due to bloodlust+dm etc. is it worth using blindside procs, or just send more mutilates?

[gusty mirage]

actual shitter

[oak sky]

Jokes on you i dont even have to prog

[gusty mirage]

I'm gonna swap to tank

perma

[sharp elk]

omg maintenance is finally ont he way to fix my AC

[gusty mirage]

see ya nerds later

[gusty mirage]

BLESSED

[sharp elk]

and i switched to sub

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bless-hands-hands-up-kpop-sunglasses-gif-14664908

[sharp elk]

mental breakdown averted

(:

[clever sapphire]

i remember there being some talk in the beginning of DF if mut makes more sense during dm and bloodlust, and it being maybe 0.1% dps increase or some shit like that

[oak sky]

There was a priest that was self pi ing in my key yesterday and i wanted to die

[vestal wren]

subtlety is not a tank spec

[oak sky]

The price i pay for doing 20k overall more than everyone else

[gusty mirage]

makes me want to get run over by a tank

does that count

[clever sapphire]

just go into a +2, you are gonna be the tank

it was hella fun

invited a heal and tank that had "390ilvl" as their description

they had legit no idea what they were doing

it was fun

[vestal wren]

i don't judge your fetishes

[marble hemlock]

mutilate parries still giving blindside procs

[oak sky]

Well if you play rotten a vdh will probably be willing to run you over

[gusty mirage]

parries consuming anima charged cp

[clever sapphire]

i experienced that yesterday, that was my opener

i was hella fucked

just wanted to jump

but i bought myself some climbing shoes today, so time to climb the dps meter

[fringe spear]

Can't believe parry still exists in 2023

[spice spire]

Just puked thinking about it

[idle inlet]

Just another reason exsang is fucking dog

[gusty mirage]

no @spice spire is a dog

[subtle tundra]

what da dog doin in ma walls

what da dog doin

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I haven’t checked this in 10.1, when I checked it in 10.0.5 mutilate was ahead in this situation by like, barely double digit dps. The only place where it could have any sort of impact at all was when the situation happens during execute as well, since mut is more poison applications. But it’s incredibly minor overall and idk if it’s something worth considering

[pure comet]

We da GODS of AoE, The POGGERS of ST and The GODZILLA of PvP

That said

[clever sapphire]

da hell did you smoke

[clever sapphire]

outlaw finally deleted?

[pure comet]

Lol

[turbid heath]

!foo

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

pvp charts

[pure comet]

[gusty mirage]

I'm surprised fury is below arms

isn't fury like giga unkillable?

[pure comet]

Seems like not

[clever sapphire]

doesnt arms just do insane pvp dmg?

[pure comet]

Maybe in the beginning of DF

Now I don't believe it

[clever sapphire]

it says season 2

[pure comet]

It's pretty behind

It's a okay dmg

[clever sapphire]

sounds like me in raidfights

[pure comet]

I wouldn't even show in the charts

[marble hemlock]

ye ive been considering it on echo now

since you lust during execute with 2nd pot

probably smth like

during DM its worth or smth

[balmy condor]

I mean sure if you’d consider 60-70 dps worth

We’re taking numbers where you have to crank the iterations up because it’s not accurate enough with default settings

[clever sapphire]

i knew it

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

i do

cuz our ranged are dogshit

so we only get into p3 like once every 500 pulls

and id rather kill boss

[balmy condor]

You’ve changed seli

[outer lodge]

Do we still run the custom APL string in sims, or just run 'latest'?

[balmy condor]

All sim versions are updated even weekly

[visual hemlock]

i remember there used to be a spreadsheet for what you can cloak and evasion in raids and m+, does that spreadsheet still exists?

[marble hemlock]

says the guy who is purple

[runic hinge]

I don’t think it’s updated for this season

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Thanks to DynamicNigel for putting in the work for the book when everyone else abandoned it. View the current version here: https://tinyurl.com/57cnaezn

[visual hemlock]

yeah that one, so sad, it was very useful

[brazen lagoon]

Hey ! Just read the new pins and irideus isnt as worth as intended ?

[thorn fjord]

Nah -18% for sin

[brazen lagoon]

Guess i dont have to target hero fragment anymore

[thorn fjord]

Nope

Dice is better now

[brazen lagoon]

Yup still hoping for it

Tomorrow it Will drop i swear

[keen spruce]

dice is roughly equal maybe a bit better

but also no on use

[spice spire]

The shmeeps classic

0 on use gaming

[brazen lagoon]

Macro life

[spice spire]

It feels so shit to not have an on use atm ngl

[brazen lagoon]

Just had the anvil trinket in aberrus

Fun to smash for no reason

[spice spire]

Dice + icon gaming

[brazen lagoon]

Still good combo

[keen spruce]

no bomb havin ass

dogs can use bomb they don't have thumbs

[spice spire]

One dropped

Day one

On normal

And I was forced to tank

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Since then

0

In like two kills a week

[keen spruce]

our sub rogue has passed on all trinkets and tier through normal and heroic clears

the long con for mythic gear funnel

[gusty mirage]

show trinkets

[spice spire]

He’s juiced on trinks

[keen spruce]

447 fraggy

[spice spire]

441 beacon + bomb + 447 fragment

[keen spruce]

and heroic bomb

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Oh wait

[storm belfry]

I have bomb and 447 dice w leech

[spice spire]

I added beacon

Xdddd

[keen spruce]

i don't have bacon

[gusty mirage]

447 fragment

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

i took it from my vault

like 2 hours before

[spice spire]

The shmeeps way

[keen spruce]

yall burned my house down

[spice spire]

He actually

[gusty mirage]

unlucky, a socket would've been worth more than that 6 ilvl

[spice spire]

Got rinsed

[storm belfry]

I just bought some last night

Ran out

[keen spruce]

or the 447 gloves

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire s3 is the final season of ted lasso

[spice spire]

I still have yet to see

I’ve heard it’s fantastic

[gusty mirage]

very very good

[grim jay]

affix seems fun. m+ almost dead rn

so few groups

[keen spruce]

the 4 classes can can deal with it are on strike

[grim jay]

which can even deal with it ? druid priest shaman?

if so, which is the 4th? 😄

[oak sky]

mage

monk

paladin

evoker

[grim jay]

only those?

[oak sky]

and the 3 you said

theres 7

him saying 4 was a joke

[indigo ginkgo]

do sims have the fix for irideus ? or still oversimming too ?

[keen spruce]

we don't need no stinkin bacon

[pure moth]

40 second assasult. Jeez

[spice spire]

They just turbo bang phase one

And it’s free

[marble hemlock]

heroic parses

still, nicely done

[keen spruce]

WE DONT DO MYTHIC UNTIL THE WEEKEND

[spice spire]

I just want a crumb of trinket man

[pure moth]

Can i join your heroic run for better kill times?

Kidding

[royal lantern]

unless

😳

[keen spruce]

we start sales next week

[tacit otter]

my first mythic r1, feelsgoodman

[keen spruce]

uuuge

[balmy condor]

still oversimming, I'll update the pin if/when they get fixed

[limber lion]

Grats

[weak horizon]

God damn

[tacit otter]

but i also got very lucky on my nelth procs on kazzara

[limber lion]

Who cares? Still r1

[tacit otter]

especially after i got robbed of my beacon by a ww on the normal reclear

[austere fulcrum]

Big gz dude

[shut pollen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[normal mist]

one more boss down, Lets see how long will i take till i down Sarkareth now xD

[earnest timber]

What talents do I go for if I wanna pick up CT but still retain a lot of ST

[normal mist]

For what content?

[earnest timber]

Like a fight like Nelth's

I usually go full ST

But I wanna see if it's worth to go CT on that fight & maybe idk, like Assault, & M Zskarn

[normal mist]

Oh if we talking about M fights I'm not the one to give tips

That's outside of my league

[earnest timber]

Yeah, just trying to think if it's worth cause golems are living awhile, but we also group them up really well

Or we're trying to

[normal mist]

Go bother whispyr, he might have the answer :3

[earnest timber]

am shy

[normal mist]

@balmy condor choccy is shy and needs help

I believe i just broke the ice

[earnest timber]

oh its not that deep

[keen spruce]

if you're playin sin

just go ST

[earnest timber]

i probs couldve just scrolled awhile

[keen spruce]

we're already fighting for our lives to keep up in single

[earnest timber]

its a way to pad

[keen spruce]

if you start droppin talents for a tiny bit of AoE then you're gonna be useless

[next arch]

So when we're holding 2nd stealth ability for sepsis, do we still hold if we're full energy, or is that a, dumb energy before holding

[earnest timber]

lol

[keen spruce]

you can just use non-stealth abilities

[keen spruce]

mutilate, rupture, envenom, blindside procs

[next arch]

Yo honestly

I had ambush where mute is.

so smart

[sweet dawn]

Anything other than garrote with sepsis buff you good

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

Thank you for the TikTok, i can now sleep better

[balmy condor]

Honestly though

Dropping for ct

Is uh

Not easy

Like if we take exsang, we’re looking at 2 points to get to CT

Either lightweight, which is ass

Or PK, which is ass

And nothing is stuff you wanna drop

Without exsang, you’re 1 point away

But where you gonna get that point

like if you put me in a room with a gun and 1 bullet and told me to shoot the talent to drop for CT

I would shoot myself

there are no good options

AT BEST

you drop cttc

that's probably the most reasonable if we're trying to do damage

but people be losing their minds over that

if you don't care about casting snd a couple times

that's probably best bet

the other thing you could do

is drop the 2/2 vv

for ct -> fd

which is also despicable in its own way

But like

It ain’t about what we drop for CT

It’s about do you want CT in the first place

And at least for golems on zskarn you’d be insane to want CT

They’re not frequent enough

Too spread out

You’d be losing more damage than you gain

[vapid sierra]

grats on the purple whispyr

just noticed t

it

[balmy condor]

Ty

[runic hinge]

What if I just like seeing the 2 piece damage be bigger number in details

[balmy condor]

Then cry about I guess idk

[runic hinge]

Easily done

[earnest timber]

whew, toughie, thanks for the insight

[blazing jewel]

if sin sucks on sark

I blame all of you and not my play

thanks in advance

[wind condor]

so....nelth is...something lol

WAs harder than the boss

[tall atlas]

What did you do to get purp u weeb

[balmy condor]

I sacrificed everything

[tall atlas]

For the purps

A true wow player

[balmy condor]

right now I'

am sacrificing my internet

:)

it's been chain DC'ing on/off

all day

every 5 minutes

[tall atlas]

What you doing to it

[balmy condor]

Nothing

[tall atlas]

You on the dark web again

[balmy condor]

I’m just living my life

[tall atlas]

Could still work

[balmy condor]

Need someone with authority from west coast division of Comcast

To send help

[tall atlas]

How you been finding sin in raid

[kind talon]

im from west coast

idk about comcast but i can come take a look

if you know what i mean

[balmy condor]

You do opener and it’s cool, and then you despair for 4 minutes, and then you’re in execute and it’s cool

[tall atlas]

You got any logs I can look at

[balmy condor]

All my logs are public

[tall atlas]

Well I guess I’ll just go find them myself then god damn

Got purple and you’re all uppity now

[balmy condor]

Can look up dead on my screen

That’s my guilds name

[tall atlas]

Amazing

[gray horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[wary ice]

GOT U FAM

[brazen zodiac]

true

[blazing jewel]

guys sark does not feel so good

[loud galleon]

What the hell is the whispyr sheet command sorry im dumb and drawing a blank here

[drifting cloud]

sir its literally 6 msgs higher

[vocal oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sad-cat-gif-19287788

[blazing jewel]

dream is dead

back to sub prison

do I still swap to red name

[slow tulip]

i like sark :p

[gusty mirage]

Sark likes you too

He told me

Nah fake news

[slow tulip]

dead on my screen

[gusty mirage]

You should worry more about how I’m going to survive driving in the morning with 0 sleep

[slow tulip]

take care

[gusty mirage]

Yeah those are no bueno

That’s been me every day this week with extra long days

Clients decide to always need me when I’m about to travel

[grim jay]

My "normal" sleep amount is like 5h-6h a day during the week

On 3h I start having really bad days

[pseudo hamlet]

5-6 hours of sleep usually a day is not healthy.

[grim jay]

Yeah but what can you do. Gotta work hard and play hard

[clever sapphire]

how about sleep hard

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-off-time-jared-jaredfps-no-time-to-rest-no-break-time-gif-23415977

If borderlands taught me anything

Its Ain't no rest for the wicked

[lone agate]

Oh wow just came back on this discord to check saison 2 stuff, can't believe i'm still using Season 1 rotation lmao

Thanks for the work, i'll try septis asap ! Much love

[viscid spear]

I got bills to pay

[wanton spindle]

this might already be answered somewhere but couldnt find it quickly. Do we want all 5 tier pieces as assa, or is one swapped out? noticed alot of "bis lists" just state that we take all 5 pieces

[royal lantern]

all 5 pieces have good stats for assa

thats why is good for us to just take them all

[wanton spindle]

okay great to know, thank you ^^

[vestal wren]

head and chest can be changed to non tier easy, both will perform equal

[normal mist]

Good BCS i crafted a headpiece this week

[idle inlet]

Does exsang benefit more from the haste buff on sark than sepsis does?

[clear pecan]

Hey I got a question, with rogue 4 set do we sepsis before deathmark or after it expires?

[tacit wedge]

Irideus fragment has been a lie...

[normal mist]

It's in the faq

#assassination-faq message

[clear pecan]

Yeah I've read that but it doesnt seem to make sense with 4set? it would seem to make more sense after deathmark expires no?

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis damage component isn’t really the reason you take it

It’s for the empowered garrotes

[clear pecan]

ah due to getting a free steath

I get it

thank you

[normal mist]

2 free empowered garrotes actually

[clear pecan]

nice thanks 🙂

[blazing jewel]

The sepsis garrote timings are fairly specific so I’d recommend looking closely at the sepsis specific usage in asa rotation faq

[spare narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[brazen lagoon]

Hey guys, i have Anvil/Dice 441 and irideus 437 The sims tell me to go anvil + irideus but according to the pins its oversimming

should i keep Dive/anvil 441 for better live results?

[woeful meteor]

how big is the diff between anvil+irideus and anvil+dice

[plucky patio]

anyone have a decent working sepsis WA? I keep losing track of the timer for the second stealth use

[proper tapir]

People like @gaunt moats wa

[brazen lagoon]

i do'nt remember but no more than 1%

[proper tapir]

We don't know, hit the dummy for 5 mins with each, then you tell us lol

[woeful meteor]

probably anvil+dice then

[brazen lagoon]

so for this case its better for me to try out both options

but if irideus is oversimming, so it might be the reason it goes over dice

[proper tapir]

Especially in ST and with exsang, yeah

[brazen lagoon]

i thought doing this combo for M+ and raid

unless irideus is better ST

[brazen lagoon]

Zerocool keeps playing Dice + fragment btw

I have no idea which combination is worth meh

[subtle tundra]

he is not known for making the best decisions

[limber lion]

Or rather known for not making the best decisions

Infamous streamer

[thorn fjord]

Does he ever come in here?

[storm onyx]

He does

[thorn fjord]

Ive been spending too much time in OT

😛

[royal lantern]

yep

sometimes

can shittalk him in person

[thorn fjord]

lol

I would NEVER

[royal lantern]

some of his takes deserve it allright

[ashen rover]

LMAO

[royal lantern]

why

yeha, you need that trinket for this normal boss

cant kill it otherwhise

[ashen rover]

this is so funny to me

[royal lantern]

you dodged a bullet mate

[ashen rover]

honestly made my day

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

He probably doesn’t want anyone else that can roll on it

[ashen rover]

yea

[thorn fjord]

I would have gotten so triggered lol.

[vale monolith]

What addon are ya'll using to track bleeds, slice and dice and such?

weakaura?

[idle inlet]

@vale monolith I just made my own weak auras

[spice spire]

And plater

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[royal lantern]

one of those packages

[ashen rover]

yea WA good

[hollow vault]

luxthos goated

[royal lantern]

using afenars with whisps sepsis update

[idle inlet]

Other than the first emptiness between stars on sarkareth is it better to prioritize uptime on the boss over getting the haste buff?

[thorn fjord]

Unless you’re doing bombs I don’t think you want to willingly go down after the first one

[oak sky]

You can go during the intermission before p3

[thorn fjord]

Who needs haste anyway

[gusty mirage]

[red swift]

Speaking of, is there some minimal amount of haste you'd recommend? I ended up with almost no haste with my upgrades and it feels like I'm running out of energy sometimes

[spice spire]

No

Just haste > 0

[gaunt moat]

wowhead should be renamed to diablohead

[royal lantern]

but now you know how to find every altar of lilith in D4 man

[gaunt moat]

"cool new wow news!"
nope, just the 15th article of the day about diablo's launch

[spice spire]

Blame @wild lantern directly

[strange python]

Why you should and shouldn’t play outlaw rogue in 10.1

[royal lantern]

pro: its outlaw

contra: its outlaw

[strange python]

Con: it’s outlaw?

[deft flicker]

Yes

[wild lantern]

just filter your news if you don't wanna see it

[strange python]

they had so many articles on that thing like bro just play whatever class you want

[gaunt moat]

That's not how this discord bot works

[spice spire]

I prefer to flame you

[wild lantern]

It's the simplest fix and yet everyone wants to bitch instead of clicking their filter

[spice spire]

I also hope you feel better

[wild lantern]

That is in fact how the discord bot works

[gaunt moat]

ok, how do i do it

[wild lantern]

there's a separate webhook for both diablo and wow

you need just the wow one

[gaunt moat]

I'm not the admin here

[wild lantern]

Wowhead covers all Blizzard games, not just Wow

[spice spire]

Wait

here

[wild lantern]

hol up

[spice spire]

Homie that channels on ignore

[wild lantern]

you meant in RH?

[spice spire]

And I have recruitment not on ignore

[wild lantern]

Yeah nah don't blame me on that shit

[spice spire]

Unless you meant there (Easy mistake)

[royal lantern]

can i blame you for other things

[spice spire]

I will continue to do so, ty

[royal lantern]

idk, no rogue updates

[spice spire]

Also what is KX

[spice spire]

She is actually a rogue writer

This is a valid complaint

[gaunt moat]

you have successfully confused me

[royal lantern]

so it IS her fault

[spice spire]

Are you talking about the wowhead channel in RH?

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[spice spire]

Or another server?

Oh dog wowhead is on like every wow server known to man

On ignore except for my guild’s too

[wild lantern]

rogues just got nerfed in D4 guess again

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

I like to read it here

[spice spire]

How could you let this happen

[royal lantern]

i dont play bad games, idc about D4

oh wait i play wow and destiny

[wild lantern]

I don't play bad games
plays a rogue
homie you play a bad life

[royal lantern]

i also have red hair irl

[spice spire]

Silence rat bear main

[royal lantern]

all the mistakes a human can do

[spice spire]

Although ig ur a feral main now

[wild lantern]

he thinks I've had time to learn feral

[spice spire]

Speaking of which, ilvl check

[royal lantern]

hey, bears and cats are friends

we hate boomkins

and m+ only resto druids

[proper tapir]

For the nine of you who actually play Sin in M+, I came up with a new build for AP + IC w/ CB it has gains in Dslice. We're still looking into it but if anyone wants to try it (and the new tech) more info is here: #1065730164077645916 message

[spice spire]

You haven’t seen this bear in action. She’s a menache

[wild lantern]

menache
eez french

[gaunt moat]

The feral is my guild is the number 1 feral.
It's hard to be his friend 😬

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-angry-mad-work-monday-gif-7905857

a MENACE

[spice spire]

I saw, I’m going to attempt in some rat 16s with guild Alts later.
Interested to see how big of a gain just AP can be.
Concerned about ST, but who knows maybe this is the sauce we needed

[gaunt moat]

I'm waiting for you to parse the information into something easier to digest

[spice spire]

It seems simple enough.
St New Rules:
CB envenom in shiv
Maintain CT in execute.

In aoe:
Same shit as before
CB shiv (this one has me ??? Ngl)

But I’m sure as I play it out, I’ll see why

Also if I missed something in the super tl;dr willing to learn. I’m really stupid

[proper tapir]

Just Gar and Rupture like normal, but in aoe spam fan and CT (not mut and evenom). It's like shiruken storm and black powder if you play sub too. Then just CB + Shiv in aoe

[gaunt moat]

you CB it because of AP, right?

[spice spire]

Wait when did we ever do mut over 2 targets?

[proper tapir]

Cold Blood makes all AP shiv hits crit, and with tiny toxic blade it hits very hard

[spice spire]

Ahhh ttb is there too

He unlocked the forbidden tech

[spice surge]

Cold blood bringing out our good old pal Tiny toxic blade in the spotlight

[spice spire]

TTB

Memes aside, interesting to see if it’s good. Especially on a mega pull dungeon like neltharus/uld/brackenhide

[gaunt moat]

B...b.. but now I'm gonna have to find a keybind for CB

[spice spire]

Follow up question, do you tea for damage amp in big aoes or do you hold because energy regen is just that bad on more ST situations?

[proper tapir]

I got to 136k in +18 uld, I think that's pretty good for me